>Cheap>calorie dense>healthyDoes /out/ have any food recommendations that meet this criteria? Specially the top two.
>inb4 someone reposts the dumb outdated picture chartcheap and filling have its place, but healthy shouldnt be an afterthoughtI just got some more salmon and rye bread tins, they are very good and healthy. If you are spending the time to go outside, you should enjoy yourself and not eat cheap stuffnot saying pop out the wine and excuse to use the swiss army knife, but like ten dollars for good quality food for the day of moderate exercise isnt a silly ideayou likely spent more on transport
>>2378761That's all fine and dandy but some of us are trying to plan multiple week long backpacking trips so the gourmet part of the equation is less important.
>>2378766Aye, just that some people on here think you eat crackers and ramen for your whole trip. Cheap and budget are not the same.If for a few weeks, why not get some things like pastas in bulk and figure a menu around it? Spaghet for red sauc days, and swedish meatballs for variety. Like that
>>2378767Yeah pasta and rice bags are definitely an option but the preparation kinda sucks specially after a day of doing miles upon miles.Nuts and that are great but basing an entire meal plan around it surely will get boring soon. Maybe someone with backpacking experience can give some ideas.
>>2378761you mean this one?
>>2378834or this one?
>>2378759people forget cheese. certain types of cheeses last a long time, and cheese is a super food. beef jerky, cheese, and trail mix are my go to.
>>2378841Yeah. Butter is also essential. Boiled eggs maybe. I also wanna carry a small tub of skyr+granola. No boiling or mess compared to oatmeal, each bag of oatmeal is only like 2 servings, and 2-3 small spoonfuls of skyr will get your pecker up in the morning
>>2378759tortilla wraps and pb/j
>>2378774add this to hot water and rice and drink it
>>2379220pickled eggs and sausages are good too.
>>2379261>pot calling the kettle black>>2378761>inb4 someone reposts the dumb outdated picture chartI'm still waiting for the ONE but a few lazy alternatives have been posted
>>2378759>Sundired Tomato Tapenade Salmonwtf is this where can i get it
>>2378759>solves all your problemsain't personal this
>>2379789well well wellyou pack all your food into metal or glass containers as well?
>>2379793Yes. I have a gigantic metal thermos and I also reuse gerolsteiner glass water bottles. Also you can evelope loose foods in parchment and butcher paper. A lot of these have a silicone side. It is nonstick while not disrupting your endocrine system. Dehydrators without a bunch of plastics are fine. Don't even trust thermosets.>>2379794If you are thinking about eating something packaged with more than 3 ingredients, you probably shouldn't. If you eat 'oil' like some kind of automobile, you probably shouldn't.
>>2379287Moral food is fun.
>>2378759If you can hike without breaking eggs then I recommend cold smoked eggs, you can buy them here or diy (I diy mine for more flavour) they are incredible, if cold smoked stay raw and are shelf stable for a few months
meth and 8ball
I have make hard tack and pemmican for outings.Hard tack is not at all calorie dense but I would bet if you made a hard tack with some sort of nut or buckwheat flour mixed in it could be breddy gud. It's light enough anyways.As for pemmican. It's surprisingly satisfying and nutritious. It has fat, protien, sugars and salt all in one. Bonus points for a comfy Larp, but it unironically has good utility.
>>2379853>moral food>pop tartsAre pop tarts good for moral? For me thats one of the most depressing things to eat. It's like combining being a man-child, with low income, with tastelet.It's pure desperation.
>>2379988Cigarettes and coffee can actually take you pretty far
>>2380038coffee and cigarettes are one of the big reasons I've kept weight off. hungry, coffee. hungry, cigarette. it's that easy
>>2380020Hard tack is supposed to be supplemented by fat, or you make ship biscuits that don’t last as long but are more calorically dense. Rye and any flour that isn’t spelt will also up the caloric content. Realistically, a loaf of dark rye will last a week on the countertop before you have to break out the saw and stick it in soup or feed it to the crows and is full of micronutrients in addition to being a fucking brick. Anons talking about butter and eggs have the right idea for supplements to it with needed macros.
>>2380053Based and heart attack pilled
>>2378834If you're really hauling ass this is one person, one day. Plus two gallons of water.
>>2378836So crackers, painkillers, and a maruchan ramen is an MRE if you put them into a sandwich bag?
>>2378759Auguson farms freeze dried food. Vacuum sealer to distribute and repack meals. I'll put shredded potatoes with the bell pepper mix, egg powder, beef chunks or the onions meat substitute (if I'm being cheap) for breakfast. Expensive initial investment but it's good for a build your own meal arrangement and servings are like $3-4/meal versus something like mountain house. I supplement with high calorie dense foods and things with fat. Fig newtons were always a classic growing up.
>>2378759Nothing beats simple peanut butter and for those with extra coin, add pretzels
>>2378759Peanut butter. Just peanut butter. Even the expensive all natural stuff is cheap, and fulfills all three criteria.
>>2378836An admirable effort but there is really not enough protein in there. Most of your nutrition is going to be carbs if you were to eat one of those.Personally I like Campbells Chunky Soups a lot. Except for being in cans they are very similar to the kind of stuff you'll get from an MRE pouch although they are more civilian-palatable. The only downside is you'll be hauling empty cans afterwards but if that's an issue just pay a bit more and get MRE pouches.
>>2378759When i go out where cooking is not an option, i use a little system where i get some kind of dry meat, like salami, or bacon, some hard cheese, a couple of tomatoes, cucumbers or peppers, bread and cans. The cans will be something like beans with sausage, tuna with vegetables, chicken and peas, this kind of stuff. For each meal i would make one or two sandwiches and eat one of the cans. This way I get a bit of variety, it's easy to organize, i get plenty of nutrients and i find it pretty tasty. Not saying anyone should do this, but it works for me.
I’ll be going through the thread, it may have already been suggested, but the bagged tuna packets have a good amount of protein, no carbs or calories though. But can probably supplement everything else by giving you clean protein and it takes up almost no room
>>2378759spinach powdernutritional yeastoatssunflower seedsolive oilspartan but still healthier than the average school lunch.also aaruul
>>2382211Redpill me on spinach powder. what is it? does it have the nutrients of spinach you keep in the fridge for salads?
>>2382214not much of a redpill possible. nutrient dense, tastes likes leaves. kale powder is similarly cheap.available from amazon so can be brought wherever in the states you plan to go.unprocessed greens of course are better, but you can't pack them down like powder, and fresh will go bad quickly.it's concentrated.
>>2378759When my family was homeless as a kid, we only ate beans and rice.Also was talking to a homeless guy yesterday. He said he gets cheap white bread and peanut butter, and eats it together. He presses it together in his mouth and swallows. Fills his stomach so he's not hungry anymore.
>>2382211if you add in flax meal and kale powder, that suite of foodstuffs covers most nutritional needs pretty well:spinach - vitamin Akale - C and Ksunflower seeds (cheapest seed) - iron, protein fat, fiberoats - carbs and fiber, some proteinnutritional yeast - protein and animal B vitaminsolive oil - healthy fatflax (needs to be ground) - fiber, fat, protein and omega-3while being about as packable as possible. and you won't salt yourself to death. if i was going for a month or so, that's what i'd bring.
>>2382225i met a homeless guy living in the woods who would cover moist soil with cardboard, which for some reason would attract earthworms underneath it.he would collect and eat the worms.
>>2382276post your glorified NEET chow list that requires a 150 L pack for a month.
>>2378759are those tuna sachets available in coles or woolies? don't think i've ever seen them in store.
>>2378759It’s always the people who actually go out who seem to bring the typical trash food, while the larpers are talking about spinach and kale and nutritional yeast.
>>2382679salted beefsalted porkflourlard
>>2378774>pasta and rice take too long to prepareQusqus is the answer.
>>2380169well yeah what kind of faggot wants to live forever
>>2383146It's not living forever, it's having a stroke at 60, losing your mobility, ability to see 90 degrees out of 190 and having to slur your speech and be wheeled around for your last 15 years until you die in a home shitting yourself on medicaid while eating gruel.
>>2383158Can't live with health complications at 60 if you jump off a bridge before you're 40, checkmate
dried pumpkin seeds. they are a bitch to get down but you can get kilos for dollars
>>2380169wait, I also drink a lot of coffee whenever I get hungry but don't smoke, is it a risk for heart attack still?
>>2378759>nobody has posted it yet
>>2378759I can't make any "healthy" claims but it at least ticks two of the boxes.
>>2383877Post resting heart rate
Healthy you can do without for a week, but dehydrating and constipating will catch up with you immediately. These threads are always full of LARPers who take bags of laxatives, sugar and salt /out/ and would have a bad time if they weren't just day hiking.That or you're all Americans who don't know what food actually is.Another common issue is taking things that require a ton of water to cook, and specifically things that the cooking water isn't good to drink.Start by taking carbs that are ready-to-eat, that means muesli.If you ate nothing but muesli you would be fine for a few days and wouldn't suffer digestive calamity in a week.Then add powdered milk, which means that you can have cereal every morning. Both are good value in terns of calories/weight.Then add tea, which weighs basically nothing, is a stimulant and will make you hate yourself less in the morning.Then add peanut butter, it's got a ton of carbs, is safe to store open and as you're eating musili your digestive system can handle it. regular nuts are fine too.Dried fruit has a lot of sugar and is good as trail mix, but be careful of laxatives. bananas are fine but if you eat a third of a kilo dried as you hike you will get the runs. Prunes are a hard no.cheese is mixed blessings, lots of carbs but sort of expensive, but If you don't want to eat butter/ghee with a spoon cheese is a better option.honey is just sugar but in a squeeze bottle it's far more sensible for your tea/cereal>>2383019My friend you need to learn more about Rome.T. /lit/>>2382802yea yea nah it's burgerfood.you can buy whiskers kitten but that's about it.The sticks of meatloaf are OK, downside is obviously the salinity.
>>2378836>>2378834I don't see food in those pictures
>>2379853>moral foodkek are you a woman
>>2384534I can't eat anything until I've had it verified that no penguins were harmed during its production.
>>2378759>>healthyYou're going to have to be more specific about that.
>>2384529i had a look today in woolies and they are stocking 2 different flavoured tuna sachets. looks like there's fuck all in them though.
>>2380022I just don’t like pop tarts because they’re just too sugary and hurt my teeth. A childhood of eating them most mornings is more than enough for me
>>2384447Oh god, that sounds horrible.>>2384529I do something like that.Müsli (no sugar, no roasting, just plain Müsli) and milkpowder (Nestle Nido) in the morning.Trail mix in between (Peanuts, raisins, M&Ms).Cheese, sausage, bread and some sort of tomato or mushroom soup before bed.Instant coffee/tea for warm drinks.I also bring a lemon for zest and to squirt into the eyes of my enemies.
>>2378759GORP is the old reliable. If you want a more defined meal: hard cheese+deenz+crackers. Sometimes I substitute deenz for a summer sausage
>>2378759Cheese, potatoes, oatmeal or oatcakes, lard, your local variety of cured meat, homemade trail mix, etc.
>>2379279Not him but are you really saying anyone who doesn't like garbage food like spam and ramen has never gone outdoors? Is this what America has come to?
>>2384468I drink a liter or more every day, and I have exceptionally good health.Have to do yearly checkups due to working at sea, and I always get comments on my heart rate, blood pressure and cholesterol.I almost exclusively drink coffee, whole milk and water, and eat a lot of saturated fats and monounsaturated fats.I'm quite literally the poster boy for good heart health.
>>2385442Cool and believeable story bro.Post resting heart rate, age and weight, you fat fuck. And stop telling lies on the internet.
>>2382230Flax has more estrogen and phytoestrogen than any other common food source I know of.The ALA omega-3 in flax and other plants (chia, hemp, etc.) pales in comparison to EPA and DHA omega-3 from fatty fish, other seafood, algae, pasture raised meat and cheese. The body converts plants ALA fats to EPA and the process is highly inefficient. The fat is still stored or burned for energy, it just doesn't have the omega-3 health benefits.
Plus cheese, butter, dehydrated meat
>>2385648if you don't like salt kys. And if you have to avoid it for health reasons hit the gym lardass
>>2385648You potato sack faggots really piss me off.
>>2385648A decent diet for me then, doctor told me I need more salt due to really low bp.
>>2385648Wow, it's almost as if salt is in the majority of food and is essential to not dying of hyponatremia
>>2385690>hyponatremiaYou don't work that hard
>>2385546That's a lot of food for three days.
>>2385648>imagine bragging about only ever going on casual dayhikesYou can't even make this up
Cheese JerkeyTuna in oilnuts(heh)
>>2378759Healthy is kind of a subjective word with backpacking food. As the conditions change what would be healthy on the trail is the leading causes of obesity in the regular population as no one needs that much salt, fat, carbs, or calories in one sitting. As far as vitamin dense foods or foods high fiber? Take some chewable vitamin tablets like C and B which are water soluble if you want but foods are so fortified now it really doesn't matter.
>>2378759Is dried liver a thing? It’s gotta be, just is hard to find probably.
Any other keto hikers?JerkyFishnutscheesequest barsdehydrated eggsWe have lots of options.
>>2386296I'm a type 1 diabetic. I don't do keto but I do balanced diets with proteins as the focus. The options are pretty vast as far as protein diversity vs what I thought they'd be. Pretty heavy in comparison, though.
>>2385931https://shop.carnivoreaurelius.com/Not sure why you would want this but yeah... There you go...
I am not some anti-Mountain House schizo but I have noticed a somewhat annoying trend on Youtube where the outdoor "cooking" meta seems to revolve mostly around just boiling water and eating freeze dried food or ramen. I have nothing against freeze dried meals and MREs and I actually quite like them, but it just feels kind of off to me if you can't actually take the time to cook real food in the woods.Maybe it's partially because I'm not an ultralight backpacker (I like military surplus, tactical gear, and bushcraft), so to me it makes sense to have a slightly heavier cook kit that lets me do more than just boil water. Not only that, but a Jetboil by itself's weight and volume is similar to that of all the pots and pans have in my backpack. I also love to cook at home and I do not depend on fast food and frozen dinners in my diet, and I suspect that a lot of people who only bring bag meals on the trail don't cook at home much.
>>2386296I'm type 1 and am going on a week trip. Its a first for such a long trip. I have a CGM, glocuse tabs, nasal spray for emergency.I'm not as concerned about cutting sugar, but rather including 'modest amounts' throughout the day. What's the best method? Obviously eating a crap load of sugar at once is out. Should I just snack on trailmix or something throughout the day if I'm actively hiking? At least, that is my current plan.
>>2386296Quest cookies have replaced my awful junk food go-tos like Little Debby cakes and such. If you can afford the weight of bringing a chill bag with fresh meat and produce, that drastically expands your options for what you can eat on the trail too if you have the time to do some grilling.I have a little titanium ultralight grill that I really like using. One of my favorite meals is a small steak with slices of green pepper and portabella mushroom. Obviously though, not everyone is going to have the time or pack capacity to bring fresh food and do all that cooking.If you don't mind having to carry around the empty cans with you, I recommend developing a taste for stuff like pate, potted meat, deviled ham, and canned chicken. I'm not a fan of spam so I don't recommend that, but there are a lot of canned meat options that aren't half bad once you get used to the differences with regular meat.One of my favorite shelf stable meats has long been the pickled sausage, though. Any shelf-stable sausage is going to be a great addition to your food supply on the trail. Sausages like pic related can be eaten cold, boiled in the bag, grilled, or cooked on a stick.
>>2385670>>2385672>>2385690>>2385801I love how much you snowflakes are triggered by my meme. Thank you for seething.
>>2386447Bro, if you just Google “homemade backpacking meals” it’s all about preparing insane shit at home with a dehydrator, not Ramen and Mountain House. Also>ultralight>JetBoilNice try.
>>2386469not the same guy but I guess it's all about how you word your search, if you look up "best backpacking meal" you just get a side-by-side comparison of different freeze-dried meal brands and nothing else
>>2386447If you haven't checked out Corporal's Corner on youtube, you should. The dude does a lot of different meals. That are more than hot water and meal.
Cook some simple meals at home like:>Spaghetti Bolognese>Stir Fry>Mash Potato>OatsAnd then vacuum seal it with pic related. If you don't have one of those, just chuck it in two ziplock bags, tupperware is too space-wasting and heavy. Cooked meat will last in a vacuum sealed bag for at least a couple of days. Reheat the meals by either cutting a small hole in the sealed bag and putting in a pot of boiling water. Or putting the contents directly into a pot. Or eat cold! People get scared to eat few-days-old meat; but it's Other food would include:>Canned fish (but the can is annoying to take home)>Peanut butter and non-bread 'bread' like rice crackers or those cracker biscuit spread things I forget the name of>A sandwich or bagel (or two) on the first day>NutsIt is rare I would ever feel the need to buy dehydrated foods on a typical Friday-Sunday hike.
>>2386480Yeah, I like his channel and I've watched a lot of his videos. There's a lot of good campsite cooking vids if you look up canteen cooking, too. You don't specifically a canteen to follow those videos either, any light weight camping pots and pans will do fine.
>>2386469You wouldn't believe how many people I see in the ultralight community who swear by jetboil because they think that boiling water in 2 minutes instead of 5 minutes and saving a little fuel makes it worth the extra weight.I don't do ultralight and I just use a little BRS stove the size of my thumb. It works fine and it fits inside the smallest part of my nested cook kit without any fuss.
>>2386453It's a hard balance, really. Things change on a day to day basis as well while you're out. Trail mix will be the best thing but you'll also need some higher sugar snacks(peach rings are a go to of mine) that'll keep you more elevated when the trails/tasks get a little harder. But you've got the gist of it. Just pay attention to your body.
>>2386469The anon you're speaking to isn't a backpacker at all. Nobody goes out with military surplus gear, really. If they do they're a bushcrafter/1 site hiker/haven't actually gone out. So of course they don't know about why backpackers boil water for dehydrated food instead of taking a massive cook kit on a trail.
>>2386572Nice job projecting faggot.
I have some cute little single serve cans of Bush's baked beans that I want to be able to cook at the campfire. What's the right way to do it though? I know the cans are probably lined with some kind of plastic so the safest rout would be to just transfer it to a cooking pot, but if they burn they will be a bitch to clean out.I was thinking it *might* be safe to put the can on my grill over some hot coals (no open flame) but again, I don't know what the melt temperature on that inner lining is so that is probably not a terribly safe option either, albeit it would probably pass any hobo's safety standards easily.My best guess is that I could try putting the can directly in my cooking pot, with the can's seal broken, and add just enough water to go up the sides of the can so I can essentially double-boil it in the can. Is that going to be safe enough? If my knowledge is correct, most canned food is cooked in the can during the canning process at boiling or almost boiling temperatures.If double boiling is a viable way to cook the beans that would also be great because it means it won't stick to the bottom of the can or my cooking pot.
>>2386745>pour beans into metal cup or bowl>place on some coals>stir constantly to not get burnt bits>stuff your ass>boil water in same container if any stuck bits are left.
>>2386453I don't know as I'm not diabetic. I'd image that you would want to eat small amounts of slow carbs throughout the day. My friend is type 1, but is in better shape than anyone I know. He can hike for hours, and is fucking ripped. He swears by the keto diet, and consumes very very small amounts of carbs. He's the reason I started this diet. You should give keto a shot, but I wouldn't start keto right before a hike, as the first week is tough. Once you are used to the diet, and the feeling of being in ketosis, you'll have much more stable blood sugar levels and energy. Check out Dr. Eric Berg.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qifg5hxnlJE&ab_channel=Dr.EricBergDC>>2386458Great tips! Sausage with cheese is one of my favorite trail side snacks. Also canned meats and fish are fantastic. I like to cook them in my pot with some garlic, butter and veggies.
>>2386602Hit a nerve, did I? You know I'm right.
>>2386453Here is a more specific video about type 1 and keto.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dg1LfF0oCk&ab_channel=Dr.EricBergDC
>>2386525You’re right I wouldn’t because I’d know you’re lying. The number is close to zero.
>>2386473I’m not sure why you would post this when literally anyone reading it can search that phrase on Google and see that you’re wrong. Very strange, Anon.
>>2386572Yeah, it’s kind of ridiculous to just spout nonsense that we know isn’t true. I like experimenting with backpacking food but it’s annoying looking up recipes because they either use ingredients you can’t find in a local grocery store or require a dehydrator. That’s the overarching theme among backpacking food, not store bought Mountain House type freeze dried stuff and ramen.
>>2386780Try Amazon. It can be a bit pricey at times but most of what I've needed I've found there. The dehydrator thing I totally feel you on, though. Taxing to say the least. Also have you tried asian stores or maybe Indian ones? The latter isn't common outside of metro areas, though.
>>2386780>That’s the overarching theme among backpacking food, not store bought Mountain House type freeze dried stuff and ramen.Nigger what?
>>2378759cheeseeggsare you stupid?
>>2382232That’s so incredibly based I don’t even know how to proclaim its based ness properly
>>2386780Do you realize how few people own home freeze-drying systems in proportion to how many people go backpacking? A freeze dryer isn't something you can pick up at your local REI Co-op.
>>2385801>i must consume goyslop or i cannot walk
>>2387200>local REI Co-opDumb eastoid bugman
>>2378759>Cheap>calorie dense>healthyNo. Pick two and only two.
>>2383918>every single thing is processed goyslop
>>2378774Mashed potato powder might be a option or you can take tortillas with you and base meals around that
>>2387391You belong on >>>/x/ with all the tap water haters.
>>2387391We see you. We know you want attention, you're just not worth debating because nothing you're saying is factual. But carry on. I'm sure whatever you're eating while pretending to be superior is delicious.
>>2387479Stop anon, I can only get so hungry!
>>2378834Lmao what are all those pills? The goyim cannot survive without processed food and pills
>>2378847where do you find packets of ghee? Online it's $8 for 6 which is ridiculous.
>>2388228Ghee is cheapest to just make yourself out of kerry gold. Then it is $5 a pound instead of $20 per pound. Just buy the kerrygold at costco when it goes on sale for $8
>>2388229Ghee is just made by slow simmering butter until it loses its moisture content right?
>>2388247Yeah, just heat it up at medium low for about 30 minutes. All the protein will turn white and rise to the top. Scoop that off and use it in some mashed potatoes or something similar. Then pour the clarified butter through a strainer into a mason jar. You boil off the water.
>>2386755I cycle on and off of the keto diet a couple times a year so my body "knows" how to do it pretty easily. I find that if I go hiking in the morning and eat before I will hate my life about half way through as my body switches back and forth through the digestion process. If I don't eat I run out of carbs about 20-30 mins it sucks for a bit but then I cruise for the rest of the 4-5 hours I hike. Then I eat big when I go home or set up camp. That's why you do cardio in the morning or fasted when you want to lose weight, because your body pulls straight from fat.
>>2385710>eating one of those columns in 1 dayI think that's supposed to be closer to 2 weeks of food
>>2388274The consistent energy from keto, is perfect for hiking. In the morning some coffee with a tablespoon of butter is all you need. That and maybe a handful of nuts, and some zero sugar electrolytes is enough to hike all day and stay in keto. Then when you set up camp and gorge on nutrient rich food, as the sun sets. Your parasympathetic nervous system kicks in and you can sleep like the dead until first light.Damn I love being alive.
>>2388283>The consistent energy from keto, is perfect for hiking. In the morning some coffee with a tablespoon of butter is all you need. That and maybe a handful of nuts, and some zero sugar electrolytes is enough to hike all day and stay in keto. >Then when you set up camp and gorge on nutrient rich food, as the sun sets. >Your parasympathetic nervous system kicks in and you can sleep like the dead until first light.>Damn I love being alive
>>2388384You haven't gone a day in your life without eating goyslop, so you have no frame of reference.
>>2388384>hundreds of thousands of years of human migrations pre agriculture.>this peanut head can’t imagine going for a walk without his slop
>>2386463>I love how much you snowflakes are triggered by my meme. Thank you for seething.
>>2378841Do you have any type of cheese to suggest?
>>2381087Isn't all peanut butter bad for you though
>>2388963alright. peanutbutter + multivitamins
>>2389007>seed oils and sugar overloadbrain dead board
>>2378759deenz + pic rel + a 40 of tecate
>>2389008nice topical buzzword, pal. Can't wait for the next trendy thing to hate comes out
>>2389012I seriously don't understand /out/. You'd think it has a huge overlap with /an/ and /ck/ but it doesn't. If you care about the environment on /out/ you're a fag. If you care about health on /out/ you're a fag. If you want to go without modern comforts on /out/ you're a fag. If you have any principles at odds with modern living on /out/ you're a fag. This place is a fucking mess. None of you even do anything aside from discuss backpacks and knives anyway.
>>2389016but I'm not /out/, I'm anon. this board isn't one person
>>2389019Yes you literally fucking are /out/ dipshit.
>>2389022take that back or you are never getting you's again
>>2388392>$155 worth of food>it's almost entirely soda and other trashDo w*men really?
>>2389016You sound like a fag and your shits retqarded.>Verification not required.
Eat nuts and fruits, retards.
>>2389016shut up newfag, cry harder about how we don't cradle your commie nuts in our handliking /out/ doesn't mean shoving a whole branch up your ass
>>2389083The only actual food in the picture appears to be 4 chicken breasts.
>>2389016Not to mention the amount of plastics people willingly spend money on. Imagine wearing plastic. The thing that all the characters do in Idiocracy when everyone becomes mentally retarded.
>>2389137Fruits are terrible. Eat nuts and veggies. Don't eat sugar, eat fat.
>>2378759Pee nut butt er
>>2388281It's also for 4 people, each column is one person
Stew is very nourishing and not too expensive as stewing beef is generally cheaper, but not very practical unless you brink a flask of stew you made at home
>>2389202can I just eat raw lizards that i catch while there? is that allowed mr fun police?
>>2389214Yeah, lizard is keto bro
>>23892094 peeps, 3 colums.I have math questions.>>2389213It's nutritional densivelocity isn't that high.
>>2389229>his stew doesn't include heavy cream and mushroom broth
>>2389231How many kcal per 100g?
>>2389232>How many finkles per winkyjinks?
>>2389234Empty answer. Just as your stew.>Verification not required.
>>2389232You underestimate the power of heavy cream
>>2389240Different person.>verify not needed thank you>>2389241yum
>>2389241Once diluted in your stew enough so you don't get the shits instantly, how much kcal is left per 100g? 200?
>>2389243I don't speak in fake science.
>>2389243Brother I am a cream lord, i make real sour cream stroganoff, heavy cream based bechamels, heavy cream clam chowder, heavy cream beef stew. I don't just add a butter roux, I top that off with heavy cream. A stew is chunks of beef usually brisket, short rib, or chuck, and a shit load of roots, turnip, rutabega, celery root, parsnip, carrot, potato plus onions and mushrooms. If you pressure can this you can take it with you. Otherwise if car camping bring the dutch oven and make it with that while powering through tecates and singing lefty frizzell with your boys
>>2389248GOP detected.>>2389252Still, stew has low nutrivelocital density, compared to other foods, such as cheese/salami and bread, PB&J or trailmix.Stew is mostly water, my cream lord.
>>2389290>GOP detected.I'm soory your life revolves around politics that that is how you have to view and categorize everything.
>>2389294... and confirmed.At least the cream lord can talk.
>>2389296>"any response means I am right, I win!"Enjoy that black and white way of life you live man.Copy-paste others' opinions some more
>>2389290Bro I don't eat cold food.
>>2378834Almonds gross frfr
>>2386745>>2386749I did the boil in can trick and it worked fine. Only problem is that it didn't come out quite the way I like it back home. My favorite way to do beans is to let them sit on the stove on low heat so they get really tender and the sauce thickens up. It was still fine, just soupier than I usually have my beans.
>>2378759cook some luncheon meat over a fire. cheap, easy, loaded with salt, fat, and carbs, all of which you need to have if you're being physical outdoors. the expection of course is that you're already aware that you need to stay hydrated.
>>2385546>>2389229>>2389209>>2388281>>2388281>>2385710Its one person 30 days. I divided them by three so I only had to count the calories of one column then multiply by 3 instead of county everything. Total was around 85k calories + cheese and butter and homemade biltong.
>>2390132Your backpack must be huge, with this much in ur pack I'm guessing ur an external frame master race kinda guy also
for the campfire
>>2390465Almost impossible to screw up.
>>2390465>>2386458>INGREDIENTS>sodium nitriteno thanks I'm good
>>2389633Yummy yummy nitrites
>>2390349I only carried 4-5 days at a time. We stashed stuff where the plane dropped us. Still external frame MR tho
>>2390669Oh sweet sounds like fun, nice pack. I have an older kelty but they became internal frame traitors
>>2390671Look for a camptrails on craigslist. I eventually made my own packbag for this one
>>2378774Other anons have way more experience than I do, but I always take at least a collapsible rod and a hand full of rooster tails with me, its invaluable to be able to pop a fish out of lakes and stream with ease
>>2385648>>2390561Is this a new meme?
>>2386447You would be surprised how many people do not possess the basic skill of cooking
>>2385542How were vikings so brutal eating flax seeds?
>>2391181cancer is no meme anon
>>2385648This guy is right, it was my first thought.Salts a good preservative but the weight of water is such that you don't want anything dehydrating. In some climates this isn't an issue but when you have to ruck water it's a huge deal. Ignore the people who hike in idyllic vallies full of streams, they just don't know
>>2391473HWD dna and salt pork
>>2384963 Some needs are more immediate than others, my point is that digestive health and overall calorie intake are your immediate concern. Just don't bring anything stupid like a kilo of dried beans/ rice, a kilo of salt, questionably repackaged vacuum seal shit. if you bring toasted muesli, loose tea, dried nuts, fruit and salami you're sweet for a week. Just consider how many calories you'll actually need when hiking and having no heating. I don't forage simply because the unnececary risk, but I know what sorrel, daisies, thistles, and edible berries look like to pad out my dried foods.
>>2385170Sounds solid. I prefer toasted muesli because it's better as trail mix.There are some wheat based dehydrated drinks that are good, in country they were called miko or something. For soup I often bring bullion cube, dried vegetables and dried shiitake mushrooms. Virtually weightless. I can add salami to the soup as well.I only eat one meal a day unless I'm active, but it's a very large meal and I drink a lot of water. When I'm on the run I'll eat a kilo of muesli, salami and nuts.In the jungle where you've got to drink so much water I often boil a mix of dried fruits, meats and grain into a congee because nothing is safe to eat unless is boiled.
>>2391549Based Jungle Jim knows how to eat in the field.
>>2391562Jungle Jim used to boil river crabs, salt and fresh water shrimp in a bamboo, stuff the top with banana flower to stream.Do you know if you boil rice and dried fruit in a bamboo when it dries it sucks the inner skin off the bamboo and you can split it to get a sausage?It's a common barbeque snack, good with roast meat, chili, mustard seeds and bitter greens. Jungle Jim gets around, and stories about jungle Jim travel even further.
>>2391527yes it is
>>2391473Vegetarians are surprisingly prone to violent outbursts.
feed sac o' trail mix
How long will a cooked meal keep in a vacuum sealed bag unrefrigerated? I want to put together some ration packs for a multi-day hunt, and I'm wondering if there are any viable alternatives to Campbell's chunky soup for main meals.
>>2380022I hated poptarts until last week when I tried one that had been toasted. They actually taste good when toasted.
>>2383122I tried something similar last backpacking trip and very quickly developed tiny, hard poops
>>2392405You also have to remember those canned meals are heavily salted. I wouldn't stretch more than maybe 2 days unrefrigerated, personally. I could be totally wrong on that, though.
>>2383459Best get to it!
>>2392540When you're hiking you sweat so much that salts are essential.
>>2389248Remove the k and it's the same shit you read on the McDonalds menu, you pigbeast
>>2382232The meek shall inherit the earth
>>2389290You could just boil off most of the water in the stew and reconstitute it on site, that gets rid of most of the weight.>>2390669What pack is that? Discrete carrying frame or some system?
>>2396190Enjoy your creamy stew paste then.
>>2396200Just use medium size chunks of meat, those should stay compact. Veggies are probably gonna disintegrate, but you could add dry noodles or rice on site too, that should add texture.
>>2396200Also mushrooms are pretty good at retaining their shape, so throw those in too. (Or add later in dried form)
>>2396202>>2396203Enjoy your creamy paste stew with dry rice then.At which point do you agree that stew is not calorie dense and has no place in a backpack?
>>2396206Im not the original dude.Why would rice be dry if you boil it in the stew? Where I come from we regularly made stew and ate it later by adding noodles or rice so they dont get soggy. Works like a charm, you make one big pot of beef stew and eat some now, some later.
>>2396208Boil your rice in a creamy mushroom stew then.Still not calorie dense.
>>2396209How is it not? Condensed its just meat, cream and veggies, thats pretty dense. Dry rice is good too. Then you add some eater and you can eat it just fine. Maybe the issue isnt the soups density, but yours?
>>2396213>How is it not?Calorie dense means it has high caloric content per weight unit.If it contains more carbs than fat, it's not calorie dense. If it contains water, it's not calorie dense.Are you guys retards? Calorie dense means oil and fat.Nuts, for example, are calorie dense. A cliff bar is not.Pork belly is calorie dense, snickers is not.Hard cheese is calorie dense, stew is not.
>>2396227I get what you mean, but by boiling the water away most you have left is fat, protein and carbohydrates, even better if you dry it. I think premade "distileld" stew is an excellent compromise between ease of cooking, caloric density and enjoyment of consumption.Do you subsist on trailmix and chocolate? If all I cared about was survival I´d eat emergency ration bars every day, but thats not the point, is it?
>>2396235I don't insist on calorie dense food at all, just OP, i was making his case.This is the food i bring:>>2385170
>>2396250Euro? I eat the same muesli daily. Pretty good stuff for 1,20 a bag.
>>2396253Stuff costs 1,80€ now at my supermarket. Still a bargain at 5€ if you ask me :-)Guess my country, tourist!
>>2396256Germany? I get the stuff at my local Aldi.
>>2396257Yep. Aldi indeed, but my last priceinfo is from Kaufland. It's the same stuff, just a different label. Maybe even from the same factory.
>>2389290>cheese/salami and bread, PB&J or trailmixGoyslop.
LARPer here.If you want something actually healthy, you have to disregard anything and everything in a can.Nothing fried / processed either.Here is my picks for 7 days (~2600 calories a day, if /out/ing properly, plus whatever you catch.)>3lbs bag of dry beans (4500 calories)>3lbs bag of dry red lentils (4500 calories)>3lbs bag of dry rice (4500 calories)>paprika, black pepper, salt, oregano, chili powder>dehydrated bananas, nuts, and homemade dark chocolate mix, 1lbs (3500 calories)>7 bananas (600 calories)>5lbs bag of apples (1000 calories)>fishing rod>8 ounces of gheeThere are your carbs, your fats, your proteins, and your micros.
>>2396312Reduce to 5 days and i'm coming with you.
>>2396320Based, starting in Ontario brother - 3 days to get to Nunavut, 3 days to get back.Beans, LARPer gear, and good vibes.
>>2396312Have you ever actually cooked dried beans?
>>2396312eat that shit for 5 days and get back to us.protip: pack cream for your ruptured anus
>>2379259Or resell it in gas stations as jerky chew for 300% markup
>>2396646>>2396660That's basically all the food I have anyways, kek.My diet consists of all those, with the addition of the occasional chicken breast, milk, and oatmeal.Remember that it's Canada, and a luxury 1lbs pack of ground beef costs $18.Maybe your bodies need to adapt, but I've been eating like this for 5 years, in the best shape of my life.
>>2384529Think you mixed up fats with carbs but otherwise sound advice
>>2378841What types of cheeses will last for a long time in hot weather?
>>2396320I envy you and hope your enjoy your trip :-)I never bring beans or lentils, it's just not practical to make a cooking fire every day here (central Europe).>>2396646I think you meant the cooking time for beans, which is long. However, if you establish a camp and are able to get a fire up first, you are fine.>>2396660Na, that's ok. In fact i think it's really healthy. Your poops will be well structured.>>2396825Hard cheese like Italian parmesan (Parmesan Reggiano, don't buy substitutes) will be good for weeks in a backpack in medium climate. It's 30% water, 30% protein and 30% fat. Always buy ungrated, grated has higher surface and will spoil sooner. The cheese will taste kind of dry by itself, because it's high protein content.If you can get away with young Gouda from a climate/traveltime perspective, i would prefer it.If the cheese is vacuum packaged it might hold for month.Picrel, don't forget a pocket fish.
>>2396990Hey friend, I'm lentil-anon.You mentioned fire - completely get that, but have you considered little camp twig stoves?Twig stoves are specially made for quick fires with only tinder/tinder-like material as fuel.Soak the beans while hiking (2 servings a day in a canteen or small bottle) and then cook them for only 50 minute - 1 hour.If you soak them long enough, they will get tender very quickly.Lentils cook quickly too, so no problem there.All-in-all, meal preparation will only take about 3 hours a day, this is the routine after waking up first night of camping:>beans been soaking overnight>fire up twig stove>put daily ration of beans to cook>put daily ration of rice on boil>cook for 1 hour>spice and drain, put 3/4 in sealable container for reheating late>have breakfast, a banana, and an appleThen just eat the beans+rice+spice mixture / trail mix throughout the day.Pic related is twig stove - if you're gonna be having rice and won't want to wait twice as long (reusing container), gotta get two, or a slightly bigger one.
>>2397063None of it is practical in central Europe. Where i am is one of the greatest density of people, even a twig stove isn't practical. On the other hand, there is no point that is more than 20km from a Supermarket.I basically can order Pizza innawoods.You and i seem to live pretty different lives.I think i would do what you do if i made a several day trip somewhere that is truly /out/, but not here.
>>2397065Ah, understandable, anon.I live in the middle of the woods on a 65 acre plot, with the nearest grocery store about 20 miles (30 kilometers) away, and it's one of the closer spots to the town.The nearest "city" is about 60 minutes by car away, and the "downtown" is about 2.5 hours away by car.I like it here - I was actually born in Moscow, middle of the city, and moved around Europe for a few years.Then we left for Canada, and a few years after, living innawoods since (while it's collapsing.)But, it's good to be out of the city - I've always hated living in it, especially in European cities / Canadian cities (Moscow was alright) - you're too dependent on everything.Here, I've got my own goats, my own chickens, I grow my own food, I can sleep when I want to sleep, and I can exercise outdoors, no need for gyms or anything of the sort.I run a small shitty business right now, hoping to get a proper income soon, but when I do, I'll be able to go months without even needing to leave home. I like it though, gets me the time to do my hobbies / projects.Self-improvement too, and LARPing / prepping.What's it like to live in a modern Euro city?Did it change much from 10 - 20 years ago?
>>2397109It's fine if you ask me, but then i don't subscribe to /pol/. I have my family, my friends, my work and my /out/.It's not your kind of /out/, but i'm ok with it, plenty of spots to camp if you keep it under the radar.Pic is me, paddling. I'm lucky, it's maybe 700m to the water, don't even need a car. This is where i usually get into the water, paste it into Google maps and check out the sat view:51.450087, 6.790411
>>2397126Another one, having a snack on the river Rhine.Such is /out/ in one of the densest populated area in Europe.
>>2378834The key to this meal plan is the antiacid, you will definitely need them after consuming this trash.
>>2382211Does this meal pair nicely with a warm glass of Onions?
>>2396990Thanks. I'm going camping soon so next time I'm at the store I'll be on the lookout for a hard cheese, vacuum sealed. Once I open it it should be fine for the entire trip. cool fish btw
>>2397146I think so, yes. Just make sure it's in a plastic bag of some sort, obviously it will sweat oil.
>>2397162thanks anonI just am starting to really hate plastic though, but we'll have it if needed.
>>2397129>>2397127>>2397126looks nice anon.
>>2398104Thx, i know most would need some kind of vehicle to transport a Kajak, so i'm lucky. All i have is a small, two wheeled trolly.I also bought this specific Kajak because it can be folded down to the size of a very large backpack (even comes with a backpack to transport it). That way i can fold it up, hop into a train and paddle different rivers, like the Etsch in Italy or the Danube in Serbia.Boat is called Nautik Argo and costs 2900€ with all the stuff you can buy extra.
I want to start eating healthier when I'm /out/. What are some good meat recs, cheese veggies etc that aren't pure slop
>>2380020Based pemmican enjoyer.
>>2379839>A lot of these have a silicone side. It is nonstick while not disrupting your endocrine system. Dehydrators without a bunch of plastics are fine. Don't even trust thermosets.Dude just get resealable silicone bags They fare better in a pack anyway
>>2385442>I drink a liter or more every dayWhat the fuckI barely put down a 1/3rd of that over the course of an entire day and I still get a buzz
>>2378834nothin wrong with deenz
>>2398938I too drink atleast a liter. I don't get an effect from the caffeine. At worst a headache from not drinking it. I can finish a 16oz cup before bed.>>2385451You sound insecure. Not that guy, but my heart rate and pressure is surprisingly good
8 days;>8 cups of oatmeal (cinnamon and raisins mixed in) >8 small onions >8 small potatoes>1lb of lentils with chili power mixed in. >1 small container of peanut butterPotato+Onion+Lentil+water = soupBreakfast and dinner, peanut butter for lunch snack if needed. No refrigeration required and you can harvest greens on the trail. I've noticed that I always bring home food after an outing, if you are constantly active you don't think about eating as much.
>>23989651 pound of lentils for 8 days ?1 small peanut butter container for 8 days ?
>>2398967I'm not going on a dinner cruise, I'm eating to maintain, hell even lose a few pounds while I am out. That's more than enough food. I'd probably bring home half the peanut butter.
>>2398982Oh you mean a small cylinder? I thought you meant those tabs that are like a cubic inch
>>2398952You sound fatherless.>>2398965>>2398982Why do you lie on an anonymous board? That's 2 ounces of lentils per day. Less than 60g.It's not enough to stay functional for 8 days. You would be miserable. Which you don't know, because you are a fucking liar.
>>2398988Stay out of Vegas.
>>2390669Holy fuark what bag. I think ambatakahm.
>>2398988That's a 7 cups of cooked lentils. That plus a potato and an onion, boiled over a camp fire, is a hearty and satisfying meal.Like I said, oatmeal in the morning, a spoonful of peanut butter mid day, and a lentil soup for night. That's 783 calories a day. That's not starving. It may be Chinese prison levels of food, but far from starvation.
>>2398997You make 7 cups out of 2 ounces of lentils? Are you an idiot?Besides, even if you magically could, it would all be water, except for 2 ounces.Also, your diet has only one small container of PB for 8 days in fat.Stop bullshitting. Just be silent and lurk moar.
>>2396190 >>2398995it's knock off desert night camo
>>2399051Thats why I'm creaming my jorts rn
>>2386572Horse shit. Milsurp is rugged and strong abd usually fixable if it breaks, i don't mind the extra weight because i'm not a weedy manlet
If I tried eating 80% of cheap+calorie dense /out/ foods, I'd throw up. Mostly it's just HFCS children's food from a gas station.My new favorite snack and calorie booster is low sugar cookies. They're mainly oats, oat flour, coconut oil, and coconut flakes; you can add some wheat flour for it to stay together, or just eat it clumpy with better GI profile. You can add nuts too (I have intolerance).Minimal sugar (or none), and if you want raisins/etc you can toss them in. They're as healthy as I can make a cookie, and a cookie is about as dense as you can get colorically while being super cheap to make at home. No cooking on the trail, they keep for a long time.Much healthier than snack bars, which are refined flour + sugar + ass grade butter.You can mix that up with homemade cornbread.The above has decent fiber content from all the oats, and a much lower GI than wheat+sugar+butter cookies.No reason not to bring fish oil pills too. They're oil, so good calories, and super health. Wouldn't rely on them, but also no reason not to.The cheese-in-wax stuff is good for a bit of flavor.I can't handle preserved meats, so I'm stuck either buying a dehydrator or getting bag chicken. Add instant rice and olive oil for macros.I really need to dehyrate some veg... There's always seaweed, get massive packs of it from Asian stores, tons of Omega 3s too. A bit bulky for thru-hiking, but also light weight, I haven't tried, but someone can make it work, maybe just blend it first...Beans are hard. The best source to keep my bowels running, but dried is not worth the effort, and cans are way too much for one meal == wasted weight.
>>2399063Based and backpack pilled.>>2399124>I'd throw up>low sugar cookies>I have nuts intolerance>bring fish oil pills>cheese-in-wax is good>I can't handle preserved meats>I really need to dehyrate some veg>Beans are hard>my bowels runningWhat the fuck am i reading?
>>2378759Raisins. Dried mango, pineapple and peaches. Dried figs are pretty good too but I don't like the taste as much.
>>2399134I got fed too much soi as a child I think. I can't handle 80% of prepared foods for one reason or another.>low sugar cookiesNot sure what the problem is here. They still taste okay, and they have way more fiber than snack bars, while being less unhealthy due to low GI/sugar and good fats. You can mix enough dried fruits or nuts in to make them more or less granola healthbars.>bring fish oil pillsYes. Why not? You're probably bringing straight olive oil or whatever too. Makes sense.>cheese-in-wax is goodGood tasting, compared to most health food, yes, and not unhealthy in small doses.>Beans are hardI'm pretty sure excess beanery is a problem for most people, though. There's not a good solution there unless you're in a group that'll share a can.Dried beans on the trail are a larp.>dehyrate some veg .. beans>keep my bowels runningYou need fiber, anon. Eating gas station snacks for 2 weeks in a row is going to brick you up.
>>2399063Milsurp might have its uses /out/, but it's idiotic for trail hiking, but don't let that stop you from being you.>don't mind the extra weightNo matter how manly-man you are, you have a weight limit, anon. Every pound you're bringing that can be shaved down is a pound that you couldn't use to bring something else. In your case, a carpenter's axe or AR-15 or whatever larpgear you otherwise has to leave at home, a six pack, a good book, a more comfortable sleep solution, a more spacious tent........Milsurp is notoriously like 4x the weight it needs to be, and you're sacrificing something for it.
>>2399575Normal men can haul a AR-15, an axe and a milsurp backpack.Are you Vegan?
>>2390685The jews fear the man who brings his own disassembled ram to the campsite
>>2399051But what is it sitting on?
>>2397129>>2397126not being able to escape man made structures is always grim
>>2396690>Remember that it's Canada, and a luxury 1lbs pack of ground beef costs $18.Why do you guys tolerate your horrific government?
>>2399575What a strange notion. The only limit to my old army rucksack is the volume, not the weight. If it's heavy then just putting it on and standing up needs to be done correctly to avoid injury.
>>2399821>What a strange notionIt's not a notion. Coming from someone who started as a bushcrafter and ended up ditching it and cutting weight so I could hike(which I found was what I actually wanted to do anyway) the milsurp gears largest advantage is durability. You can be more comfortable, faster, more agile, and save a ton of money buying better gear and your knees, feet, and back will thank you at the end of the day.
>>2399810Climate is man made. Can't escape that. >:^)
>>2378759peanutsbanana chipsgranolacornflakesdry sausagelard(wholemeal) crackerschocolate (I don't eat it, but its a great mood boost when you're with people)pickled vegmilk powdertea (+instant coffee, hot chocolate, etc)thats basically all i bring with me, plus theres some vitamin tablets and dehydration powder in my first aid kiti dont go out for more than a week or so at a time so salt intake doesnt become an issueI have horrible teeth, little money and I'm lazy as fuck. Notice how most of my shit doesnt require cooking, just hot water for tea.pal I often hike with brings cooking gear, I just have a bic and kindlingsometimes if we're going in winter we'll make a big stew full of mushrooms and wine, reduce the shit out of it and pack that into portions. then add water and crumble up crackers into itcaveat is of course, very temperate climate, rarely below -10c and never more than a hard days hike to a townwhen we're together he brings the tent and shit, im trying to get him to embrace the tarplife but tents arent the worstclearly im doing something completely different to you lot
>>2378759You can make a great combo out of >bar of butter ~250 g>peanuts and almonds ~200 g>whey protein powder ~100 g>oat flakes ~200 g>olive oil ~50 gPut them into a blender and freeze cubicles out of the mix. Then let them melt and you get cakes.
>>2400214Pic? Are these stable above freezing?
>>2378767you forget that the majority on this board is fat retards who don't go out
>>2398995>>2399806>>2399053>>2399051>>2390669>>2396190It’s a camptrails/cabela’s pack frame with a roll top pack bag I designed and had a sewing lady make it for me. Pack fabric is 210 robic and the compession system i bought from seek outside (talon and load shelf). She is currently making two more with water bottle pockets. Its a just a simple roll top with an attachment system at the top to hang it on the frame. The compression system locks in the bottom. It carries weight perfectly because everything is compressed to the frame. No swinging or weight being carried too far away from the center of gravity like most barrel shaped packs.
>>2401162>>2401161Early on. The compression system from seek outside is awesome. Just have to sew loops on the end the attach to frame. You could just use that and a dry bag
I could go on and on about he bullshit being produced now a days. Total disregard for weight carrying physics. I don’t even use a hip belt and have packed out moose, caribou, sheep many many miles.
>>2388229Butter is %20 water, so you can turn $8/lb butter into $10/lb ghee if you don't value the by-product or your time.
>>2380020the chad pemmican enjoyer. unironically one of my favourite hiking foods, bonus larp magic if you can throw some locally sourced or foraged berries/fruit in
>>2399821>If it's heavy then just putting it on and standing up needs to be done correctly to avoid injury.Exactly why you need to reduce weight. Also I don't want to be hauling 75# on my back going up and down mountains when I could be doing it with 35# and minimal loss of function.And not just the pack+frame, but milsurp gear in general.I can bring a 3oz plastic trowel for shit digging, or a 3# entrenching tool. Many other cases like that. Sure, it's more durable, but mostly unnecessary durability if you treat your gear well.Milsurp can do a few things much better, like flexibility though that still comes with weight (ALICE is not very weight efficient), and may be useful for basecamping or hunting, but I wouldn't rely on it for my main components just to backpack.
>>2378834>>2384531Aisde from everything to the right of the jacks, that's actually a pretty solid food list. Oatmeal, almonds, peanutbutter, sardines and tuna are all pretty based. Plenty of protein and fats for calories. Wouldn't hurt to add some dehydrated fruit like apricots for the vitamin A and C. The ramen isn't the worse thing either as its a serviceable source of filling carbs.
>>2396312How many calories in the fishing rod?
>>2391530>tfw he consumes no salt and drinks water leading to hyponatremiatoo scared of the dark to do more than a dayhike, anon?