Previous thread >>2345977 hit its post limit, but good conversations were happening so I figured to make a sequel.
>>2369423Obligatory Savotta reference
>>2369426Aye, I snuck one in too as a treat.Now it would be fine if people who have an unhealthy obsession with that brand didn't bring their unrelated rants here.
Why are "military" style backpacks so popular on /out/?I rarely if ever see them on any serious hikes/mountains, the only time i've noticed them is in dayhikes on popular trails, etc.Is it a dayhiker thing?
>>2369436Posts about backpacks aren’t allowed on /k/ because backpacks aren’t weapons, so they lost them here. Their use is basically just theoretical; they don’t actually go out.
>>2369436I used that picture >>2369423 so I could follow it up with >>2369429I was originally going to post pic related, which I own and like. Don't overthink OP images>>2369439Not true, but please don't derail with /k/ tangents
>>2369440>bougie alice packyou are a next level larper
>>2369450That's a finnish external frame.I suppose this thread might teach you what terms mean, stick around.
>>2369423The rush 24 is a nice pack, it weighs like 5 pounds unloaded, which is kinda heavy. The Rush 12 I love for a day hike, maybe over nighter or two depending how I'm feeling.
>>2369423Just picked up this for a gig in Alaska.
I got one of these bad boys the other day just for shits and giggles. I really just wanted to try a frameless pack for a weekend. It's surprisingly good for the price. the only problem so far is that the side pockets are a touch loose for water bottles but it should be fine. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HW126F6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1
>>2369520what water bottles are you using
>>2369436I went from a top-loader bucket to the military style because I like all the organization. Way comfy to have all your shit squared away.
>>23695222 1L smart water bottles one on either side. I haven't gotten them to test fit yet though. they're just really big pockets and I think that size bottle might be a little loose in there
>didn't set straps right>take dogshit picture >called a midgetB-Bet you guys aren't forklift certified... fuck you
>>2369606child forklift or adult ?
>>2369455>5 poundsreally? i have the 72 and it's supposedly 5.3lbs, but i haven't weighed itthe 5.11 website says the 24 is 5.84 lbs. are they lying?
>>2369436I use them for the organization, durability, and molle system. I've got different molle pouches that are preloaded, and I just switch them between 3 bags as needed. I don't think you see them often because most people don't mind just throwing shit in a big pocket and calling it a day; and military packs weigh quite a bit more than your typical REI bag.
This is my dream pack, gonna be my next purchase whenever I have expendable money. I've had 3 "regular" packs and I love all the bjg compartments and the top loading with flap over. I usually have to put a trashbag on my packs when it rains. Also like that you can put a hatchet in between the side pouches
>>2369674>This is my dream packWhy? What about it interests you so much?
>>2369689Did you not read what I said or did you not understand I was talking about the improvements this pack provides?
>>2369694I understood that you said it has side slots and a big waterproof compartment. That isn't exactly unique for a backpack. Which is why I asked for clarification as to why you want that backpack specifically.
>>2369674Had one of these in the army. They are sort of shitty desu if you compare them to anything remotely newer and civilian. For example it doesn't have a hip belt, which are a gift from God. It uses a shitty folded up foam sleaping pad as a frame. And so on. It does the job but there are far better packs out there. There are packs with less compartmentalization out there.
>>2369706Also make absolutely sure to get the original ones if you go through with it regardless. The fakes are total garbage and unusable for outdoor use because they are half the size and the craftsmanship is bad, even for Chinese standards
>>2369689The LARP factor
>>2369699>>2369706What's a better similar pack then?
>>2369423I don't really need my hipbelt pockets. I put my water bottle in the other just to have easier access to it, but the other one I just use for random knick knacksI guess everyone just keeps snacks on them, but I don't really eat as I walk, so what's the point?a map barely fits in onea compass does though
>>2369712You can fit a water bottle in a hip belt pocket?
>>2369721Well the cap sticks out, but that doesn't matterThe zipper holds it in place
>>2369712GPSWalkieTalkieRangingScopeCameraGlovesBandanaAmmunitionetcAll sorts of quick access things are nice to keep there without weight down a pant pocket or having to swing the pack around.
how are these norwegian bags? they have hip belts too, for around 70 dollars they seem really decent
>>2369436Durability, organization and price. An ok trail backpack is 2/3 of a minimum wage where I live. Also, LARP is cool
>>2369725That's Dutch>>2369709A Dutch army pack
>>2369724oh yeah gloves or something like that, that makes senseit's just that usually even slight adjustments to wardrobe (putting on a jacket) require removing the backpack anywaywhy would I need a GPS I just said I have a map and a compassI don't feel comfortable tethering myself to battery operated apparatuswalkie talkie would be great, but good luck getting the motherfuckers even to consider onethey'd rather just ditch the slowest guy and walk half a kilometer in front and I just think that's poor etiquette and selfish really>bananaI just said I don't eat while walking
>>2369436The only military pack that isn't a weird "old is gold" cope is the USMC ILBE pack. It's actually made the most similar to a civilian style pack as it was designed by arcteryx. ALICE packs were decent... in the 1970s. Only reason some soldiers are still using them is mainly due to them being approved to jump with. MOLLE packs... it's like a weird mishmash between an ALICE and a bad civilian pack. Lots of adjustment and it can work OK. FILBE (not ILBE) was a step backwards basically taking the ILBE and making it worse with a detatchable plastic frame so it didn't rub on body armor so bad.Surplus was cool when there was gaylord upon gaylord of gear you could practically swim in. $10 Alice packs were cool. $150 Alice packs aren't cool. Not to mention the guy that is big into surplus when /out/ always has to mention how his pack is military surplus.
>>2369709well your dream pack is 65 euro/usddo you mean at that price point for a 65 litre with the same features?you're gonna struggle on that budget
>>2369737>why would I need a GPS I just said I have a map and a compass>needIt’s a convenience. I do t understand how someone wouldn’t want to be able to pinpoint their exact location to within 15m in a matter of seconds on a device they’re carrying with them anyway.
>>2369744if you're following where you're going from the beginning how do you suddenly lose where you are?
>>2369781Found the larper.Sometimes trails aren’t totally obvious. Sometimes they wash out or flood and have to be re-routed. Sometimes they’re overgrown. Sometimes they’re covered in snow or even leaves. Sometimes blazes are cut down by logging. Sometimes fires change everything. Sometimes they’re just not heavily used and kind of vanish in the woods for 100’ and aren’t obvious where they pick back up. If you’ve never encountered a time when you were following a trail and suddenly you were no longer on a trail, then you haven’t hiked much. A quick glance at a phone or GPS to confirm where you are in this type of scenario isn’t a necessity, but it’s very handy.
>>2369781The difference between locating myself on a map for relative location, 3 minutes. And the difference between checking my GPS for exact location, 2 seconds. Maps are great for large distances and marking. GPS is great for when my retard brain lost the trail due to snow.
>>2369788ah it's this shit againhave you never gone off trail? because what you're talking about right now is going off trailyou don't need a trail to stay on the mapI bet you're just a bad navigator>>2369797bro, I don't have to stand around for 3 minutes, I can look at landmarks and shapes and walk at the same time if I need toyou guys are just accustomed to gps because you like shiny new gadgets
So has anyone grabbed a Gossamer Gear Mariposa? I've been incrementally changing my gear and now that I have a hubba hubba I think I'ma cut my pack weight and try to get lighter.
>>2369674I got a clone of one of these from Coleman's a while back. Not a bad design, though it's a bit narrow for bulkier winter items.
> be me>get a 5-11 Rush72>the only colour left on discount was camoPeople will think I'm larping, won't they? If I tell them it was on clearance and I didn't care about the colour, they'll tell me I'm coping, right? Be honest.
>>2369802We explained to you their exact use, and all you can do is respond with edge-cases about off trail and call us consumers. I even mentioned phones, which non-poors already have. Even off trail, you can confirm exactly where you are in a few seconds. Again, it’s a convenience. >I don’t stand around for 3 minutesSo you never look at your map? You never confirm your location? You just memorize everything and go for it, huh?
>>2369813kek i ran into a similar situation except mine is a cheaper knockoff version.Its a well organized bag, but in the end im replacing it because i dont want to go to casual trails looking like a flunked army cadet. Like its actually caused me to go /out/ less.Greyman principles are for real.
>>2369813Well yeah but only because because it’s 5.11, not because it’s camo. Get a real pack.
>>2369813People on this board will criticize you no matter what you do.
>>2369829It was 60% off for being the past version. The deal is already done.I think I'd be more of a fool if I bought a Osprey because it wasn't a particular brand.
>>2369810>no MOLLE webbing>doesn’t come in camo>material thinner than 1,000D>large, useable side pouches and rear pocket>well thought out design>can actually be worn for several miles in relative comfort>substantial padding in the shoulders and waist beltNo one one /out/ would even consider it.
>>2369802Okay badass frog poster. Some trails are genuinely amazing. Nice larp and bait though. Almost had me for a minute
>>2369436I like them for workEasy to strap shit too, can handle a chainsaw, easy to throw shit into them
>>2369674my friend has one and the shoulder straps aren't good for him. you may need to slide a wider pad over them. they are thick but narrow>>2369856stop responding to it
>>2369738I bought an Alice recently for 70 bucks. Feels nice, put some pony patches on it. Heavy as a bitch though. Frankly I bought the 'old iz gud' larp and am only thankful it wasnt fragile chink shit. Anything I can do with it to improve quality of life? Already restrapped the whole thing and might get some new padding for my back.
>>2369882>ALICE >70 $>had to re-strap it>needs to change kidney padsounds like you got a worn set up for a new pricedid it atleast come with a frame
>>2369885I wanted to buy local and paid the price like a sad faggot. Very nice frame, atleast.
>>2369856The “I always hike off trail” line is probably the worst LARP on /out/.
>>2369882Tactical tailor straps and kidney pad (I think they call it something else). They were the staple in 3rd group. It really shouldn't be super heavy though? >>2369885$70 is cheap these days for an ALICE pack with a frame. Still priced stupid but you'd be hard pressed to even find a frame for $50 now.
>>2370135cheap is not the word I would use
>>2370143I never said they were worth $70, calm your tits.
>>2370145Yes, I can read >"still stupid priced"but 70 dollars for a frame and a bag is not cheap, even relative
>>2370154Filling up your car costs $40-$50 these days. Maybe you just need to carry your gear in trashbags.
>>2369632>reallyYeap. Some anon on /k/ first told me, I thought he was BSing until I put it on my fish scale and it was little over 5 pounds. It doesn't help it has a shit load of zippers and compartments, all that extra material adds up.
>>2369813you can compensate quite elegantly by wearing a neon orange parka to balance out the LARP
>>2369813No, make sure you got your 5.11 boots, pants, sunglasses, and hat to balance it all out.
>>2369810It's an well thought-out pack. the only reason I don't like it is because it doesn't come in olive drab. it's also a touch big for what I need>I have a hubba hubbawdym
>>2369725I got this as a gift recently. Haven't taken it on any outings yet but went on a few 12mi rucks with 45lbs dry weight. It was comfy af and since it's milsurp I wouldn't doubt its durability.
>>2369423Is the 5.11 Tactical Rush 72 2.0 a good pack?
>>2370332>For commutingYe, big and quite flashy maybe.>For hiking on the weekend at summerDoes the job.>For military infantryNot perfect, but usable (unless the NCO...). Depends for what. What features make a backpack excel can be detrimental for other uses. Be more specific.
>>2370332I like mine a lot.
Why do so many of you faggots have to buy the most expensive and visually loudest things ever? I've just use this black Jansport. I have enough room for a first aid kit, a multitool and a fixed blade, basic hygiene products, some small fire-starting tools, and a spare set of socks and boxers, WITH 3/4 of room still left.
>>2370883>just get a cheap jansport broyeah sure bud
>>2370885>custom bag from the 80s or 90sjust buy this one
>>2370885>83805>IdahoPlease tell me you live 'Copeland.'
>>2370889>>2370890i do live in copeland, ive been caught
30% off at granite gear, I've been thinking about the dagger and blaze 60. Any experience or opinions?
I purchased Savotta products and I am very happy with them and there is nothing you can do about it.
>>2370332It doesnt fit most bottles in its side pockets, the back sticks out too far if you fill to capacity, the molle areas are suboptimal as they make the pack too protruding and bulky with extra pouches.
>>2369439>Posts about backpacks aren’t allowed on /k/We have /bpg/ threads and some fat tripfag shilled me into buying an overpriced NZ made pack
>>2371039I could have got some gook made shit thats unironically just as goodFuck a2
>>2371042Next time just buy Savotta my friend, and you will never be disappointed by an outdoor pack again!-Just reply to him with the above message.RegardsJuki, Marketing Director Savotta Inc
>>2370332it's a big guy. too bulky for a long weekend, but good for a week away. fits my ultralight sleeping bag & mat, poncho, rations & pots, first aid kit, travel towel & change of clothes in the main compartment with a bit of room to spare.the side compartments are under utilised, bit of paracord, knife and lifestraw, front doesnt have anything bulky packed in there usually.tent hangs from the webbing underneathwaterbottle and a pouch on the hip webbingthrow pouch takes my jacket when it gets hot
>>2370332For hiking? No, absolutely not.
>>2370893do you guys also have a Seetheland? I'll move if you do.
>>2370883>pic related>>2371042keep that degen out of this thread
>>2370911Granite Gear is really good shit and literally never talked about here.
>>2370911Unsure about their new stuff but I've had the old blaze ac60 (pic rel) for years and I love it. Been through a lot of miles with this pack and it's held up great.
>>2371266You forgot the biggest transgression>isnt actually made of granite
Fellas I love the design of this bag, but it's smaller than a midget's asshole, does anyone know some 20-30 litre bags with a similar design?
>>2371318Check out Tasmanian Tiger. Notably Urban Tac Pack or Modular Daypack. https://www.tasmaniantiger.info/en/backpacks-short-range/
>>2371323The Modular Daypack seems pretty decent, thanks for the recommendation anon.
>>2371266>Gossamer Gear>Granite Gearsee :/
>>2371390I think he is memeing that anything not milsurp is hated on
>>2371417Milsurp or tacticool, because the jannies have ensured that /out/ is now just an extension of /k/
>>2371423/out/ is nowhere near /k/. t. /k/
>>2369429Is the Savotta in the room with you right now?
>>2369423I have a 5.11 Rush 24 and that backpack is great, I bought it in highschool and ever since. I have used it on scouts activities, on my travels abroad, (that backpack is perfect size for an extended weekend if you stay at an airbnb or something). I use it in reservist activities, it is my shooting range pack and during my compulsory army service I had that pack as my holiday pack. I still nowadays go everywhere with it. Now I keep my work related equipment and lunch/dinner in there. One problem that I have with it though is that it is not NIR compliant so I can't use it for tacticool larping. Also, back in highschool I should have chosen a more neutral colour than OD. I should come up with a smaller daybag to have with my rucksack for day hikes that happen on longer hikes, since that bag is way too large to function as a secondary bag. Pic related, my backpack.
>>2372116Don't be mad that you're too poor for one :P
>>2372137Man.. That backpack looks like A POS lmao!
>>2372210Don’t be insensitive, it means he’s AIDS positive.
>>2370911I just picked up the Blaze 60 and in a couple of shakedown hikes loaded up it's looking like a winner. I could do without the zipper but on the other hand that may be handy to quick access stuff once at camp. Side and hip belt pouches are huge. Only knock against it is that since the straps are held into the pack by tension it does make a 'click' noise occasionally if the bag shifts a lot when the buckle temporarily lifts off the framesheet. So far very happy, have a 30mi loop to do in two weeks that will be a good test. The GG Crown is inarguably lighter but I occasionally go ham on stupid gear so I wanted something that could handle occasional overstuff.The Dagger looks like a good day pack (or fast overnighter) but I would consider design intent. My daily backpack is overbuilt because I can have laptop, tools, etc. in there. However this looks comparable to a HPG Tarahumara or ULA Photon so if that fits what you want it's a good option.
I have a first gen RUSH24 and it's been a good flying/truck bag so far, but i feel like i could use it's space more efficiently.Is there a guide to packing/stowing in bags to increase their usability?
>>2369423I hope that's not your pack.
>>2372137Your pack scream "I'm packing a gun I am too skittish to use, loot me"
>>2372810Thank God you have common sense
>>2372812In my country nobody carries guns. Also we don't have black people either so you can walk around the town and remain unlooted. So no worries.
>>2372821So you're from Japan?
>>2372827Finland. Even the syrians who came here as refugees, voluntarily returned to their homeland because of the coldness of the weather and locals.
>>2372269Oh shit, that's bad!We gotta offer our AIDS to that guy somehow xDDD
>>2372835how can i tell that a finn is behind this post? not that im complaining
>>2372833Is it true that if I'm from the EU and have a formal ASD diagnosis I am automatically eligible for Finnish citizenship the same way Jews are eligible for Israeli citizenship? I too enjoy wearing all black and grey, love getting drunk at home in my underwear and hate talking to strangers.
>>2372937how can you though?people never call me out even from more obvious stuff
>>2372944You have to pass a language test first, after living here for 5 years or so. That test serves as the diagnosis because nobody except the truly autistic ones would bother with learning our language.
>>2372833>FinlandFinland still has blacks, like only one or two percent of the population, but they're still there.
Well, the few that there are, are well hidden in the large cities. They are afraid of the rural areas.
What's the deal with Gregory, Osprey, Granite Gear, Deuter, The North Face, how come they aren't talked about on here?Right now I'm looking for a bag that will fit my 70m rope, all other climbing gear, plus food and water for a full 10 hour day at the crag. I tried a 32L bag, and it just barely fit my climbing gear, with no room for food and water.I think 50-55L is probably the optimal size for gear + food and water, recommend me a bag. I'm also open to going a little bit bigger so I can pack first aid stuff as well, which no one seems to care about but seems pretty important. Maybe 60L with first aid kit + splints/litter?
>>2373241>how come they aren't talked about on here?They are, in fact in this thread alone.
>>2373241Mountain Hardware make awesome climbing packs.
>>2373241A lot of these brands can be feature and quality matched by off brand, less glamorous rivals. I have an Osprey Talon 38l Daysack and a bunch of North Face clothing I bought used on ebay and while they're great and work incredibly well kit from Decathlon can be had for the same price I paid but new and it would work just as well and last just as long.A lot of these big brands have a huge brand tax on their products, which IMO is fair enough, if you've managed to get into and maintain a position where any idiot can buy your stuff without any prior research and have it work well for any use case, and be happy with your stuff for a decade or more of use you probably deserve that fat, but informed consumers can probably do better. Also if you're looking for a new climbing bag and are in Europe I've been simping hard over Aiguille products lately and am seriously considering pulling the trigger on a midi SP https://www.aiguillealpine[dot]co[dot]uk/
>>2373244CTRL + FGregory - 1 hit, my postOsprey - >>2369837 only postGranite Gear - a few people in the thread seem to be talking about the Blaze 60, which I'm consideringDeuter - 1 hit, my postTNF - 1 hit, my postAs long as there's nothing wrong with these brands I'll do my own research, but I'm just wondering if any of them are pieces of shit sold to normies who never use them.>>2373246Thanks, I'll check out this bag
>>2373257>ctrl+F>oh wait I actually found quite a bit>oh..
>>2373255Sadly I'm an Americuck, but that bag does look sweet
>>2373257Granite Gear are more for thru-hikers. TNF will have some climbing packs, but not as many/good as MH.
Anyone ever used a Wisport bag?
>>2373241In my experience:>Gregorygreat hiking/backcountry/trekking packs. heavy, lots of storage>Ospreylightweight packs, meme suspension, lots of storage>Granite Gearlightweight/ultralight and military contractor. civilian packs are for long distance hikers, lightweight, and limited/no storage>DeuterEuro brand I would equate with TNF. I've no experience with Deuter>The North FaceDepends what you get. ranges from expedition to school children. My general experience is they are heavy, lots of storage, and comfy.My fav. pack that I own is pic related. Their basecamp duffelbags are 100% solid travel bags.
>>2373257Osprey makes packs that are feature heavy (also literally heavy). I do t care for compartmentalization, and most of their packs are heavily compartmentalized. The exception is the Exos, which is really remarkable in that it bridges the gap between ultralight and a more rugged, traditional pack. There may be other similar models by Osprey, but the Exos first came out in like 2008.Gregory is in the same boat. A lot of their packs are too compartmentalized rather than being simple and streamlined, they use a similar suspension on a lot of their packs, but they have at least one model, the Focal (it used to be called something else), that’s an exception and definelty worth looking at.Most Osprey packs, a few Gregory’s, the Zpacks Arc series, and I think at least one model by Mountain Gear are using a trapeze-style suspension. There are probably others that I don’t know about. The entire pack rides slightly off of the wearers back, creating an air gap and reducing pressure points. It really is a vast improvement over typical designs. /Out/ists will shill hard against Osprey, going so far as to use 4 year old pictures they found on Reddit of broken YKK zippers (which are ubiquitous among all brands of packs) as proof of poor quality. Stick around and you’ll see the same 3 or 4 picks of torn Osprey packs being circulated. I don’t have any brand loyalty but the arguments against them are pretty weak.
>>2372991Finns seem to love XDDDD. Very based if you ask me
What are some good molle'd packs to stick on my bag?Don't say Mil-Tec.
Someone please educate on good bag packing , please./
>>2373383>packs to stick on my bagdo you mean pouches ?or like an actual pack that is smaller than your main bagif that's the case, bread bags hold good for the size and attach to things easy>>2373399someone will be with your shortly to post a graphwhen in doubt, keep heavier weigh in the middle up, and the light stuff that takes up space like a sleeping bag on the bottom
>>2373409pouches because i'm retarded and forgot the wordhaving just bashed Mil-Tec I have some generic looking black square pouch i keep a boo-boo kit in which seems to have held up
>>2373413Any retard on amazon can make a decent pouch as long as the stitches and material are good. I have a $20 junk IFAK that's strong af, just filled with nonsense.
>>2373420I just know Mil-Tec as being air-soft kit and every time I look up pouches it's stuff by them.It's the zips on random chink shit I don't trust.
>>2373427Does any reputable brand use anything but YKK?
>>2373420I paid less for an actual ACU IFAK pouch, with insert>>2373413check out surplus stores>>2373436I've seen alternatives, the same quality just from another country. Best not let companies get a monopoly on the concept of quality
>>2373383Are you autistic about weight? Multicam variants are 500D compared to the usual 700/900D for black
>>2373294I've only seen those pics in a thread last month.It did create a lot of seethe. Damage is damage though. Never liked osprey or the stay on trail mentality that comes with them.
>>2376605i larp and i'm PROUD of it
>>2372137what are those horizontal belts you attached to your molle?I've been looking for something like that for ages it's vital for me to know thank you.
>>2376671they look to be re-purposed compression strapsplaced on the face of the bag instead of on the sides
these old external frames are great, very lightweight, durable and relatively comfy if you pack them right
>>2376605people with larp packs at least go /out/ and have fun little adventures, unlike you
>>2376790I don’t think most of them do. Even on /out/ most of the pictures of peoples packs that are being used are recreational brands (ironically Osprey, a large chunk of the time).
I don't like to carry a ton on my trips, so I try to go as minimal as possible. And because I had an old 80's metal frame adult's backpack to use when I was 10 in the boy scouts, I kinda fucking hate all backpacks as well. I use them, but I saw this and I was thinking about picking this up when it's back in stock. Had a few other lumbar backpacks on my mind but this one seemed the most basic with a harness, which is all I really need. Any other anons got any suggesstions?
>>2376816Lol maybe. I’ve been curious about this for a while, but I’m not sure it warrants another thread. It’s really just a theory. Maybe I only notice more Osprey packs because according to /out/ “Osprey bad.”
>>2376822Honestly this one looks good. I've been eyeing a Foxtrot for some time now>>2376792>>2376826go away if you hate the thread so much
>>2376826It's not bad, it's just normal and barely outperformed decathelon for the same reasons that design follows material following function. There are cheaper options that don't require taking the social stigma hit of being a leddit creature. Osprey gets the deserved rep because they come from a distint outsider culture to the chans. That being the eternal newfag.
>>2376822This with a water bladder pack is pretty nice set up.
>>2376672>they look to be re-purposed compression straps>placed on the face of the bag instead of on the sidesThe question is how...
>>2376588>I’m a newfagWe know. One of those pics was followed up by a link to a 4 year old post on r/buyitforlife (or something like that). Another is from probably 3 years ago, and didn’t include the actual story; it was mangled by baggage machinery at an airport. >muh off trailLARP harder.
>>2377100Yet here we are, and Osprey is the most used brand on /out/.
>>2377628but attaching them to the PALS on the front instead of the sideif you have it in front of you, you'll figure it out>>2377638you're on the wrong thread>>2377645I've never used it
I have a Kelty Tioga 5500
>>2370911I have the crown 2 and have frankly abused it using it for shit it was not made for i.e. carrying a rack of cams and nuts. It has held up. Anyone I run into with it goes, "Nice granite gear, they make good stuff."
How much weight do hip-belts and all the straps on bigger bags actually add? Are you severely over-packing if you're at the point where you need a bag with those things to cope with the weight?
>>2376671Yes, >>2376672 is correct. I have repurposed https://tactree.co.uk/511-rush-tier-system straps for attaching a tarp/rainjacket/fleece/whatever that I need to access somewhat quickly on there. They can be placed anywhere on PALS webbing.>>2376605Yes. Larping is fun.>>2378423Looks great. Did you make this yourself?
>>2378423looks like an awesome pack
>>2378423I like the details here.
I enjoy wearing my fully loaded XXXL larp pack on day hikest. exercise exerciser
>>2378423what is that thing I want to larp too
>>2369436That’s because you only use faggot Instagram hike trails and never actually go innawoods
>>2379013It's a reproduction of a west german military backpack (originals are rare and expensive), with the sidepockets, hipbelt and hoops on the flap removed. For rigidity I've placed a thin piece of chipboard in the back. The only water protection is the rubberized top flap and bottom part. Capacity is around 25 liters + anything you can fasten between the flap and the pack.
>>2379046>removing all the bullshitabsolutely based. I have a similar setup with a frameless LK35. one thing I like to do for rigidity is to insert a piece of cheap foam yoga mat / sleeping pad cut to shape. I can then take it out and use it for sitting and kneeling on damp ground. if I'm staying overnight I have another one that is actually three of those pieces, but with duct tape hinges holding them together that can unfold into bedding.
>>2379046The pocket at the back is for the foldable Bundeswehr sleeping pad, which is brilliant. It gives you padding and it works well as a sleeping pad or just to sit on.
fuck you i like it
>>2379286>attitude>not actually posting a picture of one>advertOkay, guy.
>>2379288>not posting a picture>posting a picture The reason for the attitude is because of incongruent banchees like you.
>>2379300Are you dense? Not posting a picture of one you own. But triple down on that >attitude part, atleast I've posted a pack I use in the thread
>>2379303You're the one assuming the backpackboss role.
>>2379309Is this a new meme? Sounds dumb, stop derailing with your bickering.
>>2379124I'd recommend adding the mat for sure. I do not, however, recommended sleeping on it. They are nice for keeping your ass warm and dry, or kneeling on rock, but after a few nights on one I'm not doing that again. >>2379286>Laptop sleeve, "heritage" style but made in the far east, weird detailingGlad I don't fall for this crap.
>>2379286>paying 275 dollars for this what the actual fuck, just why
>>2379314Aye, my original thought was >it looks alright but>not for the priceGo figure the guy posting it has an attitude problem
>>2379312>Glad I don't fall for this crap.I'm glad I can think of alternate uses for things. What does "weird detailing" even mean?>made in far eastOH NO!!!!!!:O>>2379314I didn't pay full price for it. They were discontinued, and put on clearance.>>2379315Dude, I'm being 100% honest: the reason for the attitude is because of Anons like you.
>>2379286I have the medium one. I've had it about 8 years now. It is too small for me.
>>2379321>Dude, I'm being 100% honest: the reason for the attitude is because of Anons like youWhere was the attitude before this post >>2379286>fuck you>>2379309>search for "boss">Find >>2379282 Are you projecting an argument from another thread in mine?Move on.
>>2379325Sir, I believe you take things too literally. I apologise if you read that as directed towards you personally, or if my post came off with an inappropriate tone. However, I do not appreciate being rudely dismissed and will not suffer any abuse from anyone's misguided assumptions about me. This explains my reaction towards you and the other Anon. Again, I apologise if you misread my tone.
>>2379333Fall kniven backpacks are an odd oxymoron. They are meant to look like old style, basic packs- but cost more than fancy feature-heavy packs.I got one of those school girl packs for a steal once, plan to give to niece some day- but for what they retail for, it's dumb
>>2379330>Are you projecting an argumentNo, that is me as well. I use the word "boss" with people who assume a pedantic, authoritative manner over things. For example "BBQboss." There are many pics from adverts in the thread and I could be wrong but somehow only the one in my post is a problem.
>>2379321>I'm glad I can think of alternate uses for things.Huh? Are you ESL or something? I'm just saying it's clearly a bag that's made for urbanites. Anything that promotes a laptop sleeve generally is. >OH NO!!!!!!Yes, actually.The bag looks like hot garbage and is just marked up astronomically for idiots who want branding and a knock off heritage look. It's embarrassing, frankly. More so that you defend it by being "on sale" yet it was probably still over priced and made by bugmen.
>>2379344>If i keep saying this maybe it will mean somethingOkay. >>2376822Anyone actually own one of these? Or any other HPG stuff? Thoughts?
>>2379348HPG ?This is Helikon-Tex. I have some of their stuff, but not this buttpack; tho I really want it. I have short packs that would pair with it.
>>2379349Oh, looked like HPG with the yoke. Shows how much I know. Never had much luck with Helikon Tex, but others seem to enjoy their stuff.
>>2379348Some packs are for climbers, some for hunters, some for schoolchildren, some for urbanites, some for campers, some for travellers. If you buy a pack, you don't have to use it for the intended purpose, nor are you a member of the specific group it was designed for, as I think you mean when you say "generally.">anything that promotes a laptop sleeve generally isYou allow for some flexibility, yes? Can other people take advantage of that, or is that flexibility reserved just for you?Now, let's move on to "mark ups." What is the net loss in your mind if a bag is made in the East versus your own country? Are bags made in your country cheaper than bags made elsewhere? That could be a real advantage that I could see, if you were getting a better price for a locally sourced bag then yes, absolutely, that is a deciding factor. Otherwise, how would you justify the mark up?
a laptop sleeve is just a divider in the pack, don't read too much into ityou can put your tarps in their or something that's dirty and you want separate from the restor slide a panel of kevlar for when you gotta go innacityI use mine for
>>2379334It's not an oxymoron it's tariffs and labor laws. At least they use real leather and at least 60% cotton canvas. Patagonia shit is marked up and it's made of fucking garbage.
>>2379354It's an urbanite pack that's trying to cash in on a fashion statement. >Defending bugmen laborNo thanks. Enjoy your fashion bag, though.>>2379355Most have unnecessary padding in the sleeve. I'd rather have dirty items outside of the pack or in an internal dirty bag if needed.
>>2379387>Most have unnecessary padding in the sleeve.Well, yeah- it's meant for laptops. You could always slit it, pull out the padding, and sew it back up to retain the divider. Make us with what you got.>>2379362I don't see it that way. I get higher quality stuff imported, and it costs way less.
>>2379387It also has a thermos pocket that keeps an internal container upright teehee
>>2379389Well that is also msrp. Commonly at retailers they mark it down significantly like any other luxury fashion brand where the margin is like 800%. But then again it is difficult to find a good brand in the first place. Most leathershops have horrific designs and most other outdoor fashion brands like columbia or patagonia literally sell you plastic garbage clothing and gear at insane markups. Patagonia is the worst brand imo, everything they sell is plastic.
>>2379393When I said the price was way less, I didn't mean the fake sales of "we mark it up 800% but gave it a discount of 30%I mean old but in excellent condition canvas and leather external frame packs for 30-60 $I don't care about that Paramount brand
>>2379396So used you mean. Yeah, not with a clean design like that. I mean it is yuppiegear and sold at rei to rich liberals who don't even hunt but at least it is good quality stuff unlike some of the other stuff they sell.
So the only logical solution is to either make your own or remodel/remake/fix/repurpouse something older or new because if you search for something perfect you aren't going to find it.
>>2379406The price and skill floor for leatherworking is not that bad compared to something like blacksmithing but it will still likely be $200 with the tools and scrap materials for a decent cutting surface, hole punches, etc.
>>2379409I started with a simple nail hammer cut up sofa, notmal thread and a scalpel, doesn't have to be perfect just has to work
>>2379419I would at least want to get more and more refined.
>>2379425Exactly, I have improved since but you can only learn the craft you want by using simple basic tools, expert tools are for experts and of course you move forward with the skill as time passes
>>2379444I have always been a sunk costs guy desu. My first guitar I spent $500 on because then you actually will do it. People that don't blow a wad on a hobby generally give up on it. I would buy whatever best entry level set of leatherworking tools that isn't made of chinesium if I ever get into it. I have a punch that was my grandpas in my toolbox but he just embroidered some western belts and messed around. He was a cattle rancher. Trouble is when you have too many hobbies you can't keep up with them and everything is interesting in this world.
>>2379406If you want approval from backpackboss, yeah, that's the only way.
I love this cheap ass 5.11 knock off like you wouldn't believe. Thing is going on 7 years now. Just got issued a RUSH24 and so far I like it but I keep reaching for this little guy.
Anyone used a Creek 50 from Black Diamond? Came highly recommended for climbing gear so I picked one up on sale and it's great for the crag, but I wish I would have gotten something more multifunctional. Any ideas on how this would perform on the trail?
>>2379518>backpackboss>Six resultsWhat is this autism?
>>2379665What place issues 5.11 backpacks?
>>2379312The trick is to fold them in half and put your backpack under your legs in the winter, that is enough R value for -10°C.If you talk about comfort, at the Bundeswehr we put straw under it, but anything else will do the trick, leaf litter, pine branches, collected hair of the enemy, anything really.
>>2379890Interesting, I never thought of that myself.
>>2379890Interesting. I'll give that a shot next one night outing
>>2379046>Originals are rare and expensiveNo they aren'tMany millions were producedI have 3 I bought from a British surplus supplier five years ago
Use this for my day hikes. It has a mechanism up front that tightens it enough so it doesn't move. Jack Wolfskin DELTA BAG AIR
>>2380231Shit pic, my bad.
>>2379880When you're in a flying squadron you can pretty much get anything. I got a yeti cooler a while ago even. But I've been issued a okley kitchen sink, maxpedition backpacks, Thule luaggage, north face luaggage, cheap alpha bags.. my favorite has been the Thule over nighter duffle with backpack straps and a Oakley roller bag that absolutely perfect but they do not make anymore.. I used it until the stitching wore out on it.
>>2380123>five years ago>hoards them
>>2376822I'm interested in getting a battle belt with shoulder straps and a bino harness, any good options out there?For shorter trips in warm weather, I avoid backpacks like the plague.
>>2380231I'd like to use something like that, but I like having a single pack for all seasons and winter spare clothes sadly don't fit in there.
>>2369436>I rarely if ever see them (military packs) Thats the point
Just bought this. Getting used to all the straps and trying to figure out how to strap my sleeping bag on the outside.
>>2371318Karrimor SF Predator 30Berghaus Munro
>>2369423What kind of backpack do you guys use? I only have a small backpack that can’t really fit much. I’m looking for an all-black one with good back support and those straps that further stabilize things. It should have enough space but ideally not too long in size because I’m quite short. And not expensive because I’m broke
>>2381337Camelbak Trizip, it is awesome for three day trips I usually do. It has been discontinued, but you can see new ones being sold by people from time to time, wholly recommend it.
>>2381248What if it rains?
>>2369423kifaru.netframe is extremely good. 50-70 lbs. is easy. if you have military-related spine issues or whatever this is one to look at.
how are deuter bags? im thinking of getting the deuter aircontact lite 65 + 10, or would i be better off with a gregory bag since they will be around the same weight and price? btw is it worth it at full price also?
>>2382537god dammit im checking my local online store and they have this bright yellow coloured version of this bag but at 50% price, im not fan of neon colours but its such a good deal i dont know if i should buy it or not
>>2380327Thank you for your service!
>>2381248why would you do that?
>>2382567Just think of it as a fall colour instead of neon if that cures your autism. Looks nice to me.
>>2369423Would you guys say a 35L backpack is enough for a few days (maybe three max) out? I found one for a decent price according to its allegedly high quality. I’d love to get it but I feel like 35L is way too small.
>>2382657do you think it would be really stupid to buy a black version from another store but 70 dollars more because no discount? im sorry
>>2382665In warm/hot weather and being able to ressuply food and water, yes.35L is like the option for a day hike or overnighting in warm weather. Three days is very limited unless first statement is met.
>>2382567I recommend to not looking at it while wearing it.
>>2382672I think black is hideously ugly and generic compared to that nice yellow. Mall ninja tactical try-hard shit. I myself would pay more for the yellow. But I also drive a bright green car, so feel free to disregard that opinion. Ultimately you're the one who needs to enjoy it, and you shouldn't spend money on something you hate looking at.
>>2382665If you're a beginner (as implied by your question), I would say 35L is not enough. Definitely not if you carry a tent, or your equipment is standard size / weight. 35L is more of a quick overnight setup imo. That said, I'm a minimalist tarp camper, and I still prefer ~45L. I hate strapping shit to the outside of my pack. I prefer to have excess space to stuff things into without worrying about packing it up perfectly. I like having the option to bring extra food or water. Etc. The larger pack also fits my torso much more comfortably (depends on your height I guess), so even on short trips where I don't even use the space I prefer it over my 30L packs.
>>2382680>>2382678OK...i think i will buy it, Thanks guys
Only thing missing is a bivvy bag over the sleeping mat. 35L goes a long way
>>2369423Are these any good for long distance/duration trips ? I'm talking probably a couple of months. I'm having a bit of a hard time deiciding.
>>2382567ok it arrived, colours were actually much darker than on my screen so i like it. really comfortable from what i've tried so far but its missing a zip pocket on the front like my old bag but probably not a huge deal since the open pocket is there instead.i dont like that you cant completely close the top of the bag with the drawstrings under the hood though.
>>2384106>cant completely close the top of the bag with the drawstrings under the hoodoh nevermind you can, i just wasnt pulling it hard enough cuz i was scared to break something
>>2382148Kifaru is extremely underrated on /out/ for some reason. Amazing backpacks, also made in USA, no chinkshit.
I have this, called Bergen 30, it has 30L (if rolled shut like in the pics, you can get some more into it tho), the inner is a removeable water tight sack, so you don't need a rain cover.Large pockets on the hip belt and large mesh pockets left, right and on the back for bottles and rain gear.The color is a bit boring, would have prefered maybe some brown or olive.Perfect size for 2 or 3 day trips.
>>2385160Forgot to mention, it has a very robust back plate, very comfy because of it, even if you overload it a bit.
I'm looking at getting a lighter pack as the belgian army pack I have is pretty shitty for the type of hiking I like. Does anyone have any thoughts about picrel? My style of hiking is light and fast but I'm not a complete UL fag, I'm happy to trade a few grams if something if going to be better to use. Aiming to be doing 15/20 mile days with elevation. I looked at the 3F UL bag but for the price it comes in at to the UK its not much more expensive to get something 'proper'. Or should I just get the 3F UL Qidian? or are there any other good, cheap light packs I should look at?
Not sure if I settle for the Kelty Redwing tactical 50 liter or do I spurge and get a HPG Ute? Im a little newer to actual back packing but I have camped for a while, looking for it to be able to hold 7-10 days worth of sustainment, think bug out bag concept, sustainment gear for about 7-10, can last for a long time, and can easily carry the load for a longer period of time well
>>2386582https://www.kelty.com/redwing-50-tactical/https://hillpeoplegear.com/Products/CategoryID/3/ProductID/10/SortID/4Here is links to both
>>2386582Both options are well made. Obviously HPG gonna be the better one. If you really are going to ruck food, clothes and shelter for a week or more, 50-60 L is quite small (heh technically you are carrying at least 15L of water minimum). Something around the 70-90L would fit much better, rucksacks like the ILBE/FILBE or the Granite Gear Chief.But a bug out bag for that period of time can be impractical, think that you are gonna carry expedition level of weight, unless you are using a vehicle, you are going to stress your knees a lot...
>>2386582Food for 7 to 10 days alone is approx 10kg weight 20l volume. I would go for 60l minimum. Check if the Kelty is available a bit larger.Another strategy is to buy a tit pouch, something you can add volume but on your chest. Has the added benefit of getting the center of gravity nearer to your natural center of gravity (which is slightly above the pelvis).https://www.ddhammocks.com/product/dd_action_pack_black?from_cat=50You would put heavier stuff into it, dense foods, tools, water and wear it on your chest. In their pics they put it at the most unconvenient place, murdering the center of gravity, causing you to go hunchbacked.
>>2386594>>2386593One thing I forgot to mention was I would be wearing this in conjunctioun with a lbv and maybe even an assault pack, I have one of the GI assault packs and was thinking of lashing it on to the pack. I think I have broken my gear down into number of days I can sustain myself with each peice, Lbv ideally a little over 24 hrs, assault pack, 2-3 days(could theoretically push it to 4 but) and then main pack is good for 3-5 days, add the assault pack and the main pack together and you have about 8 days worth of kit on the heavy end if the frame of the main pack can handle that weight. TLDR: I am a moron and withheld information and I believe I can probably get away with a 50 liter pack like the redwing for a 3-5 day backpacking trip, and then plus it up with an assault pack if I need more capacity, am I wrong in this belief? Should I be looking at a bigger pak still? Thank you for the suggestions bros
What are some good larger backpacks that don't have that tall&narrow design of most hiking packs? As well as muted colors. I want something that won't instantly make me me look like a tourist at a glance(for safety reasons) while still having a lot of capacity.For example I like the look of Savotta 339, I would prefer not green but it's fine. It seems a bit too impractical though.
its time to retire my beat up old flash 22 after the better part of a decade. what should i replace it with?only complaint is the straps can give me rashes on my shoulders if i get wet.>around 20oz max>sees most of its use as my daypack. gets used for 1-3 day trips, and as a secondary pack when i fixed camp too>rains a lot hereshould i just get the new flash 22 or is there anything else i should consider going with?>osprey/sea to summitleans too much on the packable side, not waterproof enough>deutersome girl i used to know had a daypack from them around mid 30oz weight and i really liked it. i could be talked into more weight if the suspension is more comfortable.
>>2386669Nah, size should be fine then. Good idea splitting your stuff.
would it be a mistake to get the REI Flash 55 if I have a 30 dollar gift card?It seems like a good balance of weight and convenience
>>2387751Looks like a pretty decent backpack.But for me, I always buy the Flextrek 37 trillion Whipsnake. It's what Steve Climber uses.
Thoughts on the Savotta Jääkäri L vs the XL? I just ordered the L and it hasn’t arrived yet. I’m not sure if it’s enough because I have a full blown winter loadout with a bivy, carinthia sleeping bag and the FDF sleeping pad etc, I’m wondering if it’s too small and should I have just bought the XL?
>>2388098What are you gonna do? How many days?Weather?
>>2388098You can buy the side pouches for some extra volume
>>2388118Hike for about 2 to 7 days max
>>2388156If weather is warm and you don't need to bring big sleeping bag and has access to water, you could squeeze comfortable for around 3-4 days, 7 days is possible but you will need to pack clever.You can slap a couple of pouches on the sides, two 5L pouches in molle (10L) can give you more room for extra food and water and endure those last days (or attach some webbing for big items).Next time, think before consooming.
>>2388156That’s the plan but it won’t ever happen.
I use an Osprey faripoint for traveling and hiking. I don't pack too much extra bullshit, so it's perfectly comfortable.
>>2373257I have a Gregory bag and I think it’s p comfy, quite a bit of padding on the shoulders and waist.
>>2378423>>2369440>>2387662post more comfy larp packs I love this shit
>>2388503the Yugoslav patrol pack improves on the east German in every way
Anyone have a Coolton Tactical Backpacks?Want to do a stealthcamp but bag I have is too small for the Bag. Yes I know its a larp bag, but I want a larp bag...
>>2389597I tremendously distrust that kind of bag, anything similar to the Mil-tec molle packs. It is probably the worst backpack for military/outdoors. The design makes accordion effect with the weight. Acceptable for traveling/commuting because the price and volume is OK, but nothing more.For your purpose, go with milsurp or an assault pack from Helikon-Tex/Wisport at least.
>>2389632>Helikon-Tex/Wisport at leastAt 8x the cost ofc those would be better.
>>2376822>>2379349Any comparable ones to the foxtrot or the hpg buttpack? I'm just looking for something that's larger than the hip monkey and has a pouch for a water bottle.
Bought a tactical backpack for the price of groceries (being generous here) and it is quite dope.Probably would be of no much help against rain and really heavy weights but otherwise doesn't feel cheap at all: many straps, some removable, many pockets, little things can be attached in 30+ places. Would feel moronic buying the same type of backpack for 5x price.
>>2376648Is that the Savotta sleeping pad ? what is your opinion about it
>>2380231>>2380237This is on the international website but not the US one. do you know an alternative with a front tightening mechanism?
>>2369455My 6500 cu inch hunting pack weighs that and has a up top 200lb load bearing frame and almost triple the space.
>>2384371They are stupid expensive but worth the price. I got an exo and my dad got a kifaru reckoning for deer and occasional elk hunting. Both are great fucking packs I like mine better for actual backpacking in but once you kill something and carry over 100 lbs the kifaru wins no questions.
Is it better to size up or down in backpacks? My torso length is exactly between sizes.
>>2393598Size down; could always add a fanny pack- can't fold a few inches of a pack off
>>2394170>can't fold a few inches of a pack offi mean... that's kinda what compression straps present on all modern backpacks do
>>2394348I meant on height
i need a new packultralight, not obnoxious colors, 1-3 daysis there any reason to get anything other than the ula cdt?
>>2396043>pseudo-ripstop sure man, go for it- it aint "obnoxious"
>>2396045i just need a pack that comes in black or olive or something i don't have aspergersi can't carry a 30lb larp pack i have a bad back>100% Robic Nylon fabric with three-pass Teflon DWR and a three-pass PU Coatingit is ripstop though?
>>2396049>"i don't have aspergers"Elaborate.
>>2396050i don't care what my pack looks like beyond having earth tone or non annoying colors so i don't eyesore other hikers
>>2396051>Idont care what it looks like>but I care that it looks like earth tone or non-annoying colors >because I care what fellow normies thing of me on the trailYeah man sounds good like I said >>2396043go have fun
>>2396052i mean, i said what i want in a pack right in the first post. what's wrong with asking if there's a better pack for my needs or if anyone has one?here's the other pack i was thinking about.the problem with these ultralight packs is you can't try any of them in person.
I use 30 dollar surplus packs that come in gray or olive.
>>2396059That'd be pretty sweet if I was still in my 20's and could carry a 20lb pack across the country.
>>2396060I truly believe in you.Here is an external frame, canvas and leather for about 60
https://zpacks.com/products/arc-blast-backpackBest pack, hands down.
>>2396185>$375.00 dyneema sack>no internal or external frame>"best pack"Are you a faggot on purpose?
when did this board get full of zoomers?>>2396204i want to walk from mexico to canada. is there any functional reason i would choose a pack like this >>2396068 over a pack like this >>2396185 ??why don't i ever see the thru hikers with external frame canvas packs?i'm not going out in the woods to make a fashion statement and show everyone how cute my bag is, which one is more functional for traveling long distances?
>>2396428>i'm not going out in the woods to make a fashion statement and show everyone how cute my bag isThen stop posting like you care. Properly strap'd external frames are great for the loads you would be carrying for that hike. If you want a literal plastic bag and net- for 400 dollars- then have fun, man. Don't complain when a tear results in total collapse >but it looks like ripstopYes, it does, doesnt it ?
>>2396432i only had a pack fail once, and it was my fault letting it fall down a rocky cliff face. on one hand it tore open but on the other hand the bright colors allowed me to locate my gear. i don't think i would have found it in the bushes if it was camo. there's outfitters along the way and i pack a tent/bag repair kit, its not really a big deal.
>>2396436>buy ultralight garbage bag for weight >use space and add weight with repair kit for when it tearsSomething to consider.
>looking at Amazon reviews>guys who weighs like 270 posting pictures and crying that a light pack was "obviously made for a child"
>Then stop posting like you care.i'm just asking what backpacks are good for thru hiking. i just asked that the model be available in a earthtone color. all the stuff you've posted would stick out like a sore thumb and make other hikers concerned that i don't know what i'm doing out there. i don't want someone sending a rescue party because i'm walking around shasta with a bag from 1910.
>>2396438a repair kit is multi purpose, i can repair my tent and rain gear too.
>>2396441>I'm not posting like I care about what others on the trail think of me>Its just that what you posted would stick out like a sore thumb and make other hikers concerned that i don't know what i'm doing out there>i don't want someone sending a rescue party because i'm walking around shasta with a bag from 1910.You care too much about others' thoughts. You are a normie. I am soory to be te one to tell you. And 1960s isnt 1910. I'm soory that you also think stuff made in 2022 are higher quality than 1960 (the objective peak of most nations' quality of manufacturing)
>>2396444the build quality on milsurp stuff can be pretty decent, but also really bad. it makes great car camping and bushcraft and hunting gear, where you don't really care about the weight.i'm a thru hiker with back problems. i understand you have aspergers or something and i'm trying to be nice but............. there's a reason people don't hike with 20lb base weights anymore.
>>2396447>the build quality on milsurp stuff can be pretty decent, but also really bad.Yes. This one is decent. Not 20 pounds.You sound too concerned with others' opinions but not mine. Odd. More quality for me and my daughters. You go spend 400 dollars on a garbage bag now. >>2396185Enjoy.
i used to care about things like 'cringe' and 'normie' and 'eww this sleeping pad's ORANGE' like you but i think a lot of it is just cope because ultralight is expensive to get into. $2000-10,000 is a high barrier of entry and you don't really see any benefits until you've re-bought all the gear you already own. i get it. i thought it was 'gay' until my whore ex wife got me to try it out too. i don't want to be gatekeepy but sorry, spine surgeries are a lot more expensive than backpacking gear.
>>2396448base weight is your pack with all non-worn gear in it. don't try to tell me you're using a 6lb backpack to carry 6lbs of gear or something like that. do dayhikers really?
>>2396448>doesn’t know what baseweight is>thinks recreational packs are $400How can someone involved in a hobby be this clueless about basic terminology and available products? This is just like the “I don’t want a neon colored backpack” retards.
hey fellas i'm thinking about getting a osprey daylite. I already have a rook 50 and it can attach to that, so that's cool. I'm also thinking about using it as a carry-on bag. Thoughts?
I'm also wondering about the Daylite. My daypack is getting beat and I wasn't sure if I should replace it with a daylite or the newer flash 22 model. Current one is a ~2015 flash 22.
>>2396491My thoughts are these:I think we need to design a deep education campaign and enforce mandatory voting, for what's left of russia after it folds. That seems to me the only way to get people engaged in democracy, otherwise we are at the same point in 20 years.Furthermore i seriously think that now is the time to cheply buy stocks.As for your backpack, i don't care.
>>2369773Literally the best backpack ever invented. Prove me wrong.
New thread frens>>2398292>>2398292
Rest in peace my good thread.