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Here’s a picture of my things, which I like. Please share pictures of yours.

Long black tube thing: tarp in snake skins
Silver thing: umbrella
Dark green thing to the right of the umbrella is a pillow
Black bag under that is hammock suspension and stakes
Red bag is my hammock and bug net
The ziplocks are my first aid and toiletries, and my maps, compass, and novel.
Above that is a fancy feast stove and a wind screen made of old soda cans.
The little bottles on the blue bag are my Aquamira kit.

This was what I used last week, when the low temps were around 50°, then highs were around 80° with a small amount of rain, and several hours another day on an old road with sparse shade and no clouds.
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Well I guess it depends on where Im going retard
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>>2357003
Does carrying a umbrella but no rain jacket working for you? What kind of weather are you hiking in?
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>>2357003
If you never went without a stove you should really try it. It dropped the stove and never looked back.
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>>2357059
Sorry for the grammar lads
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Whats a good lightweight 2 person tent?
Didnt want to shit up the board by creating another thread about it.
Just something to keep rain and bugs out.
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>>2357065
The MSR Hubba Hubba is sturdy but somewhat heavy, I like it.
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>>2357059
On this trip the rain was a very small amount on Saturday, with temps hovering around 80. Sunday was supposed to see more rain, but still nothing major. It works quite well in those conditions. If it had been cooler, and still a light rain, I would have paired the umbrella with a light jacket (an arctyrex squamish). If it’s really going to storm I bring a poncho.

A few pros of the umbrella:
>spf 50
>heat reflective
>blocks peoples view of you shitting
>keeps spider webs out of your face
>can catch a breeze and direct it toward you, sometimes
>in some conditions it’s the best rain solution
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>>2357065
Bro just jump right in and get a Dan Durston X-Mid. The 1 person is large enough for 1 person (the vestibules are huge).
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I have to have my
tools
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>>2357003
Looks pretty light
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>>2357136
13.8 pounds. It’s a pretty good balance of weight and comfort. The pole mod is about 8 ounces and isn’t really needed, but it adds a lot of breathability in porch mode and wind stability in another configuration. Plus I’m re-reading Around the World in 80 Days and books are surprisingly heavy.
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>>2357105
Tools of a larping faggot.
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>>2357188
Thats pretty gucci my dude. Do you carry a battery bank or keep it short and keep your phone off? How do you like the Exos 48?
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>>2357250
My phone battery lasts a solid 4 days in airplane mode, maybe longer. I don’t track my hikes or anything like that. I do use a GPS app for quick referencing, and turn my phone off at night.

The Exos is one of the best packs ever made. The suspension system keeps the pack away from the wearer, creating a gap between his back and the pack. This allows a lot of airflow, keeping his back dry. And the elastic mesh reduces pressure points. Osprey uses a similar system on all of their flagship packs, while Gregory, Z-Packs, Mountain Gear, and at least one other company have similar systems. The Exos also has a streamlined design, with no extraneous pockets and a removable brain. It’s one of those rare middle ground packs between ultralight and more traditional, fully featured ones. They fucked it up after the model in the pic, removing the hip belt and shoulder pockets, and thinning some of the padding. It was a poor trade off of comfort and usability for weight. The 2022 model has hip belt pockets again (mine is from 2014, and has well over 1,500 miles on it).
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>>2357065
I recently bought a MH Aspect 2 to replace my old worn north face stormbreak 2. The NF isn’t out of commission but the new one is 2 pounds lighter though gun to my head I couldn’t tell the difference. Also the new one has attached poles which makes it slightly harder to set up.
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>>2357243
You sound like you need a procedure.
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>>2357105
How do you store the kidneys?
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>>2357101
>temps hovering around 80
Why even bother then? Wear clothes that dry out quickly and let yourself get wet when it rains.
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>>2357433
That’s a valid option too, but most people are more comfortable when they’re dry.
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>>2357433
The sun bro. Not op, just another hikefag. I've never carried an umbrella for rain. I mostly use them for road sections in full sun
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>>2357290
Bad ass. Thanks for the input. I've been dragging an osprey aether 70 minus brain around for a couple years. Every time I reseach lighter packs I end up at the exo's. I go back and forth on 48L vs 58L as my adventures range from casual overnighters with buddies to packing for 5-6 days between resupply points.
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>>2357359
That procedure is you tongue punching my fart box. Now lick my asshole you larping queer.
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>>2357427
If they are dry, in a bag like rice- if wet, in a tin.
The way I see it, when you cook you have to get it wet anyway and my climate doesn't have enough local water to rely on.
>>2357617
Are you okay, projection bot ?
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You guys have really nice kits.
I'm too autistic/stupid to get a good tent, so I just use a tarp and make an A tent with bankline and lay on the dirt while wearing a poncho.
Had heavy rain one night and it was a miserable experience, so I upgraded to carrying a net hammock as well, to just get me ever so slightly off the ground(gotta keep a low profile for tacticool larp). Still need to upgrade and get a compass as well, but I'm undecided on what is worth buying. My longest camping trip was a a one way hike that took three days, and I called my buddy to pick me up on the other side of the state forest. Used sunrise/set to head in the right direction.
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>>2357837
Don't talk negative about yourself; using a tarp set up requires more thinking than setting up a self-contained tent. If you want a good tent, they aren't all cheap 15$ or pricy 200+$; you can get good surplus stuff in-between. I have a french F1 tent for 40$ and a british mesh tent for about the same
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>>2357844
Thanks for the support man, I appreciate it. Those F1 tents look like they're not too hard to set up... might be worth it to keep water out, since its tricky to find a good spot for a tarp A tent + hammock. I like bankline since it doubles for tent building and not just catfish, but sometimes too much gets used to set up camp.
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>>2357014
Are you so world traveled that every trip you take is in a different climate? You’re not like most people, who hike and camp fairly close to home because it’s convenient?
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>>2357003
this is what i carry if i need to go for a many days trip
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>>2358070
tiny hatchet is redundant just use the knife to split and chop its the same size, oh wait kabar you cant cause you'll bend the handle,
axe handle should be as long as your arm or its inefficient and the recoil wears down your hands
that saw is so shot it can only cut things that are small enough for you to snap anyway a silky big boy would let you process much larger wood so you can have logs for an all night fire
a long axe, short full tang knife and long saw covers all the bases
why have a head torch and a hand torch, if you really have to point light at something without looking at it just hold the head torch in your hands but you cant wear a hand torch on your head so its objectively inferior
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>>2358070
Not a bad start my dude. Couple things that jump out at me. Your carrying glass jars of spices? Ziplocks. If that's liquor in the flask by a plastic pint, weighs less. Big knife, saw, and axle are memes unless your woodworking. Drop the 3 big bowls on the left. You can cook and eat everything in that tiny pot.

Most important go /out/ and use it. Keep refining
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>>2357003
my poorfag kit
My compass, parka, and medkit are missing from the photo because they were in my lbv. I normally use smart water bottles i pick up at a gas station for water storage.
Base weight is 17 pounds, the rifle adds another ten pounds. When im going to a more normie spot i just bring a pistol that adds only 2 pounds. Most of my hikes are three day weekends because of work.
>>2357837
ive been using a naturehike cloud 2 for 4 years now and have been surprised how well it has held up in bad storms. It is some chinese budget brand but i would recommend it. my compass is a cammenga, they are a bit bulky and heavy but it has never failed me in the 10 years and thousands of miles ive carried it.
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>>2358125
Dont know what you need a medkit for, Rhodesians never die
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>>2358114
Ka bars have shitty tangs, chances of it snapping is high.
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>>2358139
you didn't even finish reading the line
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>>2358143
Wasn't going to.
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>>2357003
>make a fun thread about complete gear loads and encourage others to post theirs
>knife fags shit it up
I hope you cut yourself
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>>2358168
>gives me free unlimited tinder
seethe no-knifelet
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>>2358138
But they do get blisters and headaches sometimes.
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>>2358168
>anon makes decent thread
>others fuck it up
>your ass gets salty over it and blames op
Fuck off you stupid faggot.
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>>2358204
>loadout thread
>discussing items in loadouts which include knives
>fucking up the thread
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>>2358206
Bitch more you sissy Lala.
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>>2358114
i bring the hatchet to do some hatchet trowing in the weeds.
the second torch is usually for my friend, he does not have one
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>>2358309
Pic related
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>>2358123
yea those are glass jars, sugar, pepper/erbs, umami, honey and oil, i was scared of the oil one breaking and messing up my bag so i went with tough glass, they also fit perfectly in my green box, along with tea and a few bags of pepper.
the flask is just to be a larping faggot, but i like the design, i usually carry it in my inside pocket with the sigars, so no bag space occupied.
the pot is one liter, it s often not enough for what i prepare, i usually go for a can of beams with 200g of chicken+half an onion,so i need at least a 1.5 liters pot just for all that alone, the 2 one is perfect to avoid spills
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>>2358309
based as long as the trees are dead already
>>2358326
carry the cooking oil in the flask. glass is heavy
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>>2358125
why chop the toothbrush so small? especially where its in a bag with a big deodorant stick and toothpaste bottle?
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>>2358338
He fell for a meme. The whole “cut down toothbrush” thing started in the 90’s when ultralight backpacking became popular. Backpacks were becoming streamlined; we started seeing less compartmentalization and fewer pockets in general. As such, smaller items had to be consolidated into diddy bags (a phrase that now seems antiquated). Since space is limited with an ultralight setup, and just because it makes more sense to have a smaller bag than an empty one, toothbrush handles were cut down so they could fit into a particular bag. It was never about saving weight, though a lot of people simple assumed it was.
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>>2358390
>The whole “cut down toothbrush” thing started in the 90’s
Here's a quote from Colin Fletcher's 1968 book "The Complete Walker".
"Oh, he's a genuine backpacker all right. He's got a filed-down toothbrush!"
Everything old is new again.
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>>2358418
That line is from The Complete Walker IV, published in 2002.
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>>2358430
Nope.
I mean, it's in that edition, since it's in the original, but my copy was printed in 1972 directly from the 1968 edition.
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>>2358390
Yeah I've seen that in some ultralight load outs like Andrew Skurka but even they didn't file it down so much
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>>2358338
Its actually a toothbrush head for my electric toothbrush
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>>2357003
>hey guys post your load outs
>only 4 load out pictures
LARP status of /out/ confirmed
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Not a pad question but hopefully someone can help here

I’m looking to get a new sleeping bag.
The only option for the one I want is the “long version” I’m only 5’10 so I don’t need the long version. Will getting a sleeping bag that’s too big for me cause any issues?
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>>2358525
Nah. Stuff your clothes down at the bottom and then they'll be somewhat warm when you put them on in the morning.
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>>2358527
Thanks fren. It’s only an extra 3oz and it’s actually in stock so I’m going. With that over my old and heavy north face bag
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>>2358514
Never took a photo of my loadout and am too lazy to put it together just for a pic.
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>>2357003
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>>2358748
other than cringe glasses and book, nice set-up
you should get a handguard for that Kalash tho
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>>2358762
>he doesn't like the croagies
nigger detected
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>>2358766
speak English
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>>2357003
Maybe 5 years ago I noticed a trend in these gear load out photos. People started inserting themselves into the photos, lying on their pad. It’s become endemic; the gear selfie is now the norm. It’s men and women doing it, and I cringe every time I see it.
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What do you gear queers think of those knife bag loadouts. Besides your tarp and and poncho, the rest of your gear is all in a small pack on your knife sheath.
Can't think of anything more lightweight than that. Considering trying it when the weather warms up some more, along with foot wraps, rather than socks, for ease of drying.
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>>2358778
>no one has done this in the thread
>I need to MAKE a problem
>>2358788
What I think is you take your 'gear queer' gay shit to /k/
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>>2358790
>What I think is you take your 'gear queer' gay shit to /k/
oh, I actually thought this was a /k/ thread, not gonna lie. I have other tabs open.
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>>2358791
Nice
yeah they have a /gq/ thread and its awful
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>>2358791
Dont worry too much anon, I do the same thing sometimes. Nice zoompap, you got any hiking gear? If not you should definitely get some and start going /out/ it really compliments the hobby.
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>>2358802
oh thats not my picture, its just some shit off google.
>hiking gear
I have a small cheap tent and a mat to lay on. I've been reading up a bit on this board to get an idea of what is useful for camping though.
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>>2358827
What type of hiking or camping do you plan on doing? I can give some poorfag suggestions.
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>>2358788
>besides your tarp and poncho
And cook kit and quilt and sleep clothes and ground pad and head lamp and maps and toiletries water treatment

If you’re not going far, you don’t need anything light. If everything fits in your knife sheath it’s because you’re not going very far.
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>>2358827
a pot that can hang and a bic lighter is probably the cheapest cook system, sticks that are small enough to pull off by hand is all you need and dry leaves as tinder to start it all free
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>>2358841
overnight fishing trip in New England state forests, mostly Maine. I would like to head into vermont as well, and spend more than a few days to not waste my time of course.

>>2358846
True. I'll have to sit down and actually measure out what a trip would be before I start putting something together.
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>>2358850
Have you ever read "Big Two-Hearted River" by Hemingway?
It's not a treatise on backpacking or even fishing or anything in particular, but it does paint a picture of the kind of trip you're planning.
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>>2358849
Pay a few more dollars and you can put together the one I posted in the OP. The stove isn’t just cheap, it’s super light, silent, and has not moving parts.
>fancy feast stove (it’s a cat food fan with holes punched in it), $1
>a windscreen from old soda cans, free
>Imusa 1.25 quart (12cm wide) aluminum mug, $7
>mug lid, $8
I also used some high temp rtv to attach the stove to a large tin can lid as a base and priming pan. I also wrapped the stove in fiberglass rope for priming, and used the same rope on the mug handle for insulation. But really the pan and rope aren’t needed, and a bandana can insulate the handle.
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>>2358125
>rhodie baby shit camo FAL
a man of culture i see
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>>2358125
Are you actually in central africa or is this just larp? no hate just genuinely curious
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>>2359010
Lol.q
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>>2359010
Larp, covid ruined my first trip to South Africa.
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>>2358849
Cans are lined with plastic. Enjoy your cancer soup.
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>>2358778
Ironic coming from a phoneposter
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>>2357046
Nice bivy, just ordered pic.
Do you bring a tarp or poncho tarp as well?
>shemagh
My nigger
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>>2358338
Maybe tooth brushes shouldn't be so long in the first place
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>>2360160
Old woodland bivys are the shit. Fucking love mine; gonna pair it with a woobie as a lightweight sleep system.
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>>2360194
I got absurdly lucky with this one, they were out of stock seemingly everywhere even Varusteleka, then one pops up for $20 on Kijiji (Canadian Craigslist). It's a real Tennier Industries one too.
>gonna pair it with a woobie as a lightweight sleep system.
Hell yeah. I've got to get one those.
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>>2360199
Checked and envious, 20 is a steal.
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>>2360160
>He didn’t get the Dutch hooped bivy instead.
It’s a little more expensive but if you can find the one made by Carinthia it’s the same one they sell for $900 but military surplus. Has a bug net and enough room to actually breathe.
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>>2360364
I know the one you're talking about, but I didn't want that one. I wanted a literal bivy "sack".
No poles, and I don't plan on ever actually putting the top part up over my face. It's just for making my sleeping bag water proof under a tarp. Even if it was over my face it wouldn't bother me as most of the time I lay on my stomach.
What I really wanted was pic, but they're very expensive.
I should mention I'm a motocamper.
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Heh, it just came in the mail.
This thing is so cozy, there's a light smell of mildew, but it's super clean. Hoepfully the guy didn't wash it in a washing machine or something.
I can't wait to try this thing out in the field.
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>>2360411
Ah, I got you. I wish I could use something like that but the bugs are killer up here in the PNW.
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>>2360580
I've gotten over my fear of spiders by forcing myself to pick them up and play with them, almost passed out a few times.
Mosquitoes are cunts, but that's what headnets are for.
If It's really bad I just bring my tent instead.
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>>2360531
if it isnt winter where you are bring something to block the bugs off your face and out of your bag
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>>2360612
Pic is another option.
Sew in a net
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>>2358788
What the hell can you even fit in there? Seems gay
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>>2358125
Oh brother it's illegal to own the L1A1 SLR in my country but it's my favourite gun of all time.
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>>2360590
>picking spiders up
Come to Australia and try it
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>>2362328
Pass, though MadMax makes a convincing argument.
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>>2362328
>Come to Australia
No thanks, I'm a felon.
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>>2362417
Then you'll fit right in.
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>>2362420
Nah, you guys are to upstanding now. I'd stick out like a sore thumb.
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>>2357046
what pack?
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>>2357003

Why are you prefilling your pissbottle, OP?
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>>2362527
It’s two strips of yellow electrical tape used to measure water for cooking. The bottom one 1/3 cut and the top is 1/2.
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>>2362530
why not a measuring cup?
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>>2362523
sso adler
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>>2362559
Because electrical tape doesn’t weight anything or take up any space.
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>>2357065
Sea to Summit Alto or Telo
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>>2357882
California is a place where that’s possible.

I’m 3 hours from the lower, hotter coastal ranges, the nice, cool coastal range, and the high Sierra.

It’s not feasible to get that much shit tho. Also, not that guy.
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>>2362328
Wait, Australia can't even effectively kill rabbits. I've seen rabbits die from fright. How dangerous could it be?
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>>2357046
why a traditional bivy like that (not a ‘bug bivy’ or ‘wind bivy’ which I understand the point of). These just seem like miserably condensation traps, I’d hate to be under this in the rain. And they’re heavy.

Guess what I’m asking is, why not a tarp and a better quilt?
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>>2357061
this has been working for me so far, even in the snow. It’s not really the warm food that warms you up, it’s the digestion etc. was glad I left mine last time even though the snow was thigh deep at the peak
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>>2360580
not this time of year?
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>>2358778
To the contrary, I wish more people would post pictures of two people sitting up in 2p shelters. two empty pads doesn’t tell me enough.
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>>2362891
its gore-tex its waterproof and breathable thares barely any condensation I've slept in in in the rain and was fine and its only 500g, and the bag is -30c rated no quilt is better than that
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>>2362891
Tarp + bivy is peak
You may not use them both every time, but you will use them both all the time.
>why not a tarp and a better quilt?
You'd still want something to protect you sleeping bag from wet and wind. At least where I am.
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>>2359010
>no hate
fag
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>>2363253
I use a tarp, quilt and bug net draped over my head. My tarp is large enough (8x10) that getting wet hasn't been a problem if I pitch responsibly, and of course it blocks the wind too. A bivy is so heavy that you may as well just bring a double walled tent at that point imo. I might buy a 'wind bivy' so I can cowboy camp in on windy rainless nights, but that's still a totally different shelter than a traditional bivy like anon posted. I just don't see the point from a weight + utility perspective.

>>2362916
You slept in the rain with no tarp?
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>>2363253
so to be clear, when no rain or crazy wind I just sleep on my pad with a bugnet, no bivy. i don't really see the point. if it's raining or windy, that's why i brought the tarp. what the tarp can't do is stop bugs, so i bring something if i expect bugs.

this doesn't apply to crazy -30f scenarios which afaik the bivy was invented for. but for fair-ish weather 4 season backpacking in the PNW for me.
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oh, another case where the bivy makes sense, and i think this was actually the original use case, is for sleeping when pitching a tent is just impossible. like on a cliff / pure rock terrain or extreme snow. aside from that i don't really get it.
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>>2363253
>Tarp + bivy is peak
they also infringe on the open nature of the tarp. benefit of a tarp is huge dry living space, by stuffing yourself in a bivy you're missing out imo. anyway that's all. interested in why you'd continue to use one. i'm going to get a 'wind bivy' (7.8oz) since it's worth the weight for the option to sleep without a tarp in windy areas, but aside from bug/wind bivies (which are really just bathtubs with some zip up netting, not real bivies) i don't get it.
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This is the kind of thing I'm thinking about getting. Blocks wind and bugs so you can tarpless more often. It's called a 'bivy' but it's not at all like a traditional bivy that anon posted, which is more like a GoreTex sack. It weighs 7.2oz.
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>>2363299
yes the bivvy is goretex so its waterproof
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>>2363326
and no condensation issues? is your quilt down?
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>>2363327
no issues and its a -30c down full bag
the bivvy also keeps the mats under you not slipping around
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>>2363310
HMG comes pretty close to solving this (but it’s a pyramid shelter, and $305 just for the bug net). Imagine a bug net shaped like this but designed for a tarp in an a-frame configuration.
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>>2357065
X-Mid 2p in Silpoly
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>>2363358
that's not the kind of bivy I'm talking about. that's a 'net tent' or 'bug bivy', and for reason a bug bivy is not at all like a normal bivy or bivy sack. I'm talking about these kind of bivies: >>2357046. i think pic rel is a pretty cool set up with tarp and bug bivy though.

>>2363331
what sort of conditions? i've always heard condensation is terrible in them
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for *some* reason
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>>2363317
How tall is it? Most trekking pole setups have a peak height just under 50”, and if that’s what they’re using in this setup, then it’s incredible small (can’t sit up in it, like the MLD in this pic).
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>>2363365
https://www.outdoorgearlab.com/reviews/camping-and-hiking/bivy-sack/outdoor-research-alpine-bivy
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>>2363368
it is like the one in your picture. they make another you can sit up in (pic rel). they also make just a hanging net which cinches around around your sleeping pad/bag, it's only about 2-3ft long and weighs 2.5oz. i got one coming in the mail i wanna try.
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>>2363369
>https://www.outdoorgearlab.com/reviews/camping-and-hiking/bivy-sack/outdoor-research-alpine-bivy
why did you post this
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>>2363368
and being smaller sn't necassarily bad, it saves weight. though if i were to buy one i'd buy the one i could sit up in, may as well.
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>>2363365
condensation is not a problem you just open the zipper infront of you face and you blow it all out, the rest goes through the Gore-Tex
>>2363372
it has pictures of it in many conditions
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>>2363380
aside from costs, is there a reason/situation that you'd prefer this over say a zpacks duplex? the weights are basically equal, just wondering
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zpacks duplex or a tarp and bug bivy i should say
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>>2363382
no pegging needed
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>>2363401
you mean hiking sticks or stakes?
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>>2363404
neither, non-freestanding tents are limited to dirt only , freestanding and bivvys can be set anywhere with enough space
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>>2363421
do you hike in areas where this comes in handy?
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>>2363436
bruh honestly, I wouldn't have bought if if I didn't, I had a tent and was constantly annoyed at rocks stopping my pegs going in so I got something you can plop down anywhere with no setup and be weatherproof to sleep
its not some gimmick it works and it works well
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>>2362846
That virus escaped from the CSIRO lab before it was finished being developed, the spiders here are murderous little bastards.
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>>2358125
mad jelly of that FAL
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>>2363299
>bivy is so heavy that you may as well just bring a double walled tent at that point imo
You don't have to say "imo". And for me at least, I don't care about weight, space is more important than weight.
>>2363310
>they also infringe on the open nature of the tarp
>by stuffing yourself in a bivy you're missing out imo
A bivy sack doesn't take away from it anymore than a sleeping bag does. It's literally just a protective sack for your sleeping bag.
>interested in why you'd continue to use one.
Because if I stop on the side of the road I can roll it out and sleep, it's that easy.
If I have some more time I can set up my tarp and have a nice little camp.

It's just about versatility. When I go out camping, I travel from prairies to forests, to mountains. It's nice to have different options. I was thinking of bringing a hammock along with my tarp and bivy. All 3.
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>>2363310
>>2363317
Ah you're one of those weight weenies eh. That makes sense.
>>2363358
>and $305 just for the bug net
There's plenty of cheaper clones
>Imagine a bug net shaped like this but designed for a tarp in an a-frame configuration.
That exists I'm sure.
>>2363365
>what sort of conditions? i've always heard condensation is terrible in them
This is too general a statement. Bivy's are made out of everything from trash bags, to Tyvek, to Goretex.
>>2363401
Tell that to my mesugaki demon loli wife
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>>2357003
>plastic
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>>2357480
I'm from phoenix and that shit is gay. I just wear linen everything and a cowboy hat
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>>2358070
What's with all the nogunz
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>>2363421
Nah, just gotta get creative with rocks and such. I find the tarp better for this since I have more flexibility in guyline placement. For what it's worth the other poster, I use a lightweight bivy as well and a large tarp. I only really sleep in the bivy so the fact it is restrictive doesn't really come into play.
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>>2363446
>You don't have to say "imo"
it is my opinion so it's an appropriate qualifier, i used it to express that i'm interested in your opinion and not at all attempting to speak objectively. i don't own a bivy so idk, but i struggle to see when i'd elect to bring one, which makes me feel that either a large portion of the world is wrong (unlikely) or i have some sort of unique insight into tarps (extremely unlikely), so i continue to inquire but aim to do so politely so i can learn. i think it's probably just preference honestly, but anyway:

>And for me at least, I don't care about weight, space is more important than weight.
Yes you do care about weight, you can't carry a thousand pounds on your back. every ounce/lb gained means more work to move it (work = force * distance). you are limited in the work you can do every unit of time, so something the requires substantially more work to carry should be justified (le imo).

>A bivy sack doesn't take away from it anymore than a sleeping bag does. It's literally just a protective sack for your sleeping bag.
given the picture you've provided, it seems it does indeed. that looks miserable. a bivy sack is a skin for your sleeping bag to provide wind / weather protection, a flat tarp objectively provides much more sq footage while doing this, and is much lighter - this is why i don't get it, it seems redundant and exceedingly heavy.

>Because if I stop on the side of the road I can roll it out and sleep, it's that easy.
is it worth the weight though? it only takes 5 min max to pitch a tarp, and you get a palace as a result while saving a pound.

i appreciate the engagement and im happy a bivy works for you, but i still struggle to see how you wouldn't be happier with just a tarp and bug net, and saving a pound. obviously to each their and i don't mean to condescend, just don't really get it, never have, and am expressing why.
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>>2363446
in retrospect i reread your last line and think i get it. if you're just looking for fun carrying multiple shelters, I get it. I've just struggled to get why tarp + bivy sack is popular. if it's raining, you pitch the tarp, if it's not, you cowboy camp, simple as imo. i would personally hate to be in the rain with only a bivy, seems packing up would be miserable and my gear would be soaking wet.

>>2363452
>weight weenies
what do you mean? i just aim maximize overall comfort while /out/; personally most of my day is hiking, followed by sleeping, so i prioritize comfort for those two things. if car camping it's a different story of course, but, as this is a backpacking thread, when hiking i don't see how a bivy adds anything here; it makes both cowboy camping and sleeping under a tarp objectively worse. i only see a bivy being the move when it'd be impossible to pitch a tarp or tent effectively, and i don't hike in such scenarios personally.

in other words, it doesn't seem a bivy is useful if optimizing for hiking or sleeping/camping comfort, so I'm unsure of it's place. the mesh house you've posted is not a traditional bivy, btw. i totally see the point in carrying that and a tarp.
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just curious since you called me a weight weenie, what are you optimizing for exactly? even if a bivy were as light as my tarp, i wouldn't bring it; it mitigates the benefits of tarp camping. i just can't see any optimization framework where a bivy makes sense. if pitching in a rocky area, tie onto rocks, and if pitching in snow do deadman's anchors. for me, both of those situation are rare, and dire, and if i expected either i'd much prefer my freestanding tent.
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>>2358070
Nice sleeping bag.
I also like your raggedy Ann loli wig.
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>>2363358
yeah there are tons of bug nets like that buddy, that's kind of the norm actually.
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>>2358172
>knifelet
iT's MiNiMaLiSm
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>>2358070
>this is what i carry if i need to go for a many days trip
i'm sorry
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>>2363740
Holy time bahman. Not your bivy guy but I think you're really reaching on the bivy being miserable. For most nights its just a draft, dew/mist guard and no more noticeable than the sleeping bag. Secondly it does help with drafts and splashes under the tarp **imo**. I have pitched my tarp to the ground in wind and the random strange gust that found its way to the open side was not an issue. I would feel comfortable with a relatively small tarp and bivy versus small tarp alone. Plus It does help keep all your shit together in the meantime.
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>>2363746
Write a fucking essay why don't you, sperg
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>>2363740
>Yes you do care about weight, you can't carry a thousand pounds on your back
I don't carry it on my back.
>that looks miserable
We get it, you're a pussy.
It's not like every military uses them or has used them or anything.
>obviously to each their and i don't mean to condescend, just don't really get it, never have, and am expressing why.
You could not sound any more like a weight weenie bitchboy
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>>2363759
>just curious since you called me a weight weenie
Absolutely seething lmao
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>>2363996
>heavier and less comfortable / spacious is good
>ur just not strong like me!

>>2363992
>>2364000
cope

>>2363904
well I've never tried one but maybe they're not so bad, just read a lot about down soaking through due to condensation,or people ending up warmer without a bivy due to less condensation. they just end up being super heavy so other shelters start to compete with it at a certain weight.
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>>2363904
and in what way was i reaching?
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>couldn't find this thread because OP wrote "load out" separately
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>>2364765
Op's a phoneposter, you can only expect so much
I'm using this as the gearfag thread as well.
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>>2364765
same
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What happened to all my NEET /out/ists?
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>>2364800
>he doesn't go innawoods and shitpost from his phone
>he's instead inside posting on his PC
Pathetic.
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>>2367199
They either got real gear or realized how retarded they were.
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>>2363371
What is this one called?
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>>2367372
Cirriform from Yama Mountain Gear. I haven’t seen in it in person but I like it, might grab one.
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>>2357003
>unironically an umbrella

LMFAO WHAT A FUCKING FAGGOT
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>>2357617
Oooh, got some of that edgy South Park humour! So fresh!
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>>2367199
>cotton norwegian ruckpack
very nice
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>>2367414
I had a four mile road walk that Saturday with no clouds and temps in the mid 80’s, and it rained on Sunday with temps in the 70’s. The umbrella worked out great, just like it always has.

Also post a pic of your stuff.
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>>2367254
kys nufag
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>>2367199
Hey it's all you really need
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Is this the rucking thread?
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>>2368093
>rucking
No.
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>>2368093
Yes, I don't care if you're a /k/ refugee.
Just post some stuff.
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>>2367199
I remember reading pic rel's blog when I was really getting into bushcraft/camping
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