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What packs do you guys swear by? I’ve come across a lot of people saying that picrel is great. What does /out/ recommend?
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It's best UL for the price.
If you can put more money you have some more UL stuffs
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>>2345977
I have a Kestrel 48. It's good for a five day trip in the high country or a 7 day summer trip.

There are better hunting packs and if you want something bigger you might want to check out Gregory.
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Teton Sport Scout 3400
Cheap as fuck but kinda heavy, but good if you're willing to trade price for weight and flashy features.
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>>2345993
>Gregory
They knocked it out of the park a few years ago when they started doing a similar suspension to Osprey.
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>>2345987
>Osprey
>UL
No. They're not bad packs by anye means and actually have a couple, but they're def not ultralight. Great warranty too.

Most of my daypack/around town bags are osprey, but for proper out trips I'm a big gay for ULA (circuit or cdt depending on the trip)
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Karimore predator 60-100 with the option of rocket pods making it, like 125L for autumn winter

Osprey atmos AG 50L for spring summer

but i canoe camp mostly now so the good ol´ blue chemical barrel gets a lot of use
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I've had a Jack Wolfskin 55L I've taken with me on treks for nearly 20 years and several thousand hours of use now, in all seasons and weather conditions. I've tried buying new ones with more features (more external pouches/attachments, bladder compatible, lighter materials), but keep going back to it. Apart from re-applying weatherproofing 15 years in, it's been bulletproof.
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>>2345977
Osprey, Gregory, Z-Packs, Mountain Hardware (pic), at least one more company that I can’t think of, and probably a few more are making packs with suspension systems that incorporate a mesh panel. I’m not married to a brand but that design really is great.
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REI Flash 55
Was going back and forth with it and Atmos and glad I went with the Flash. Openings huge, it's light (not ultra) and fits me perfectly.
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>>2346298
>Jack Wolfskin
Are these still made in Germany?
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stone
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>>2346558
>Openel
>Propane stove
>Pellet gun
I remember when I had to get my parent's permission to go out as well lad.
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>>2346813
>3 knives
>RC car
That gave it away for me
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>>2346813
Yeah, belittle the youth when they are active outgoers, that'll teach them to become productive members of society!
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>>2347442
they’re not belittling you man haha it’s just a little silly that’s all. enjoy your youth :)
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>>2345987
UL? I wouldn't even put on an exos without cutting off a half pound of useless crap from it.
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MLD Burn
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>>2346813
Not OP, but what's wrong with Opinels and a gas stove? Just some retarded snobbery again?
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>>2347479
Is there a lot to cut off? The brain is removable. That’s about the only thing you’d be able to drop. The Exos isn’t ultralight no matter what Osprey claims, but it’s a great middle ground.
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>>2347462
I'm belittling him for owning openel knives regardless of age.
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>>2347483
Opinel: French; antique handle design that is inferior to more modern handle designs; the wooden handle can warp if left damp, the blade is thin; the blade is carbon steel and will rust...basically a meme knife that isn't remotely robust enough to rely on outside.

Propane stoves are the snobs preferred tool. For slightly more weight a whisperlight international is significantly better. I like to know exactly how much fuel I have after using my stove and pressurized fuel bottles are more trouble than they're worth. Ultra lighters love the propane--which should indicate where the true snobbery lies.
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>>2345977
The best backpack... keeps waders nice and dry :-DDD
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>>2347498
imo all the straps have a lot more tail than necessary
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>>2347827
You really thing there’s 8oz of x was straps? The compression straps are like 1/4” wide and the hip belt has a sewn tail (hard to tell how long it is). No, I think you’re just unfamiliar with that pack and pulled the comment out of your ass.
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>>234779
>Opinel: French; antique handle design that is inferior to more modern handle designs; the wooden handle can warp if left damp, the blade is thin; the blade is carbon steel and will rust...basically a meme knife that isn't remotely robust enough to rely on outside.
It's carbon steel if you buy the carbon steel version. Any untreated wood warps when left damp. The blade is thin because it's for thin blade purposes like cutting up food. If you are using it to baton wood you're using it wrong

>Propane stoves are the snobs preferred tool. For slightly more weight a whisperlight international is significantly better. I like to know exactly how much fuel I have after using my stove and pressurized fuel bottles are more trouble than they're worth. Ultra lighters love the propane--which should indicate where the true snobbery lies.
a whisperlite is about 3 times heavier than a pocketrocket and thats not even including the fuel and doesn't have its own igniter.

>>2347483
Pick whats right for you. if you listen to the people in here you'll be ill prepared and miserable with a #50 pack, a camo tarp, and a wool blanket
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>>2347833
>Is there a lot to cut off? The brain is removable. That’s about the only thing you’d be able to drop.

That's just what else you could cut off sherlock
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>>2347850
Whisperlites exist for a reason, but most people don’t know why. 99% of the time they’re not used for that reason.
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>>2347856
stop spamming that ugly broad
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>>2347858
>ugly
You are out of your mind, a homosexual, a jealous woman, or just trolling. That girl is downright gorgeous. She’s not wearing makeup and she’s /out/.
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What does /out/ think about the Crux? Currenly have the deuter air futura 60+10 but I would like to go lighter and smaller.
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>>2347850
Don't worry, I won't. That dude is retarded and is not considering factors like price and the purpose of why people buy these things for. Both dirt cheap (I'm a poorfag) and I do weekend backpacking in moderate climate. Why tf would I need a whisperlite and a 1kg knife to larp and baton wood with when all I do is cut up fruit and whittle.
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>>2347864
get some help
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>>2347850
>3x 2any fuel
Yes, such oppressive weight for a more sturdy stove that will last you the rest of your life and burn anybfuel.

You also cut your toothbrush in half and vape don't you.

>>2347856
International is better in high elevation and the "burn any fuel" is more useful than you can imagine. It's also very handy to be able to look at how much fuel you have and use the same bottle forever.

I've yet to meet a propane fag that didn't buy a new bottle everytime the old one ran out or carry two becausethey weren't surehow full the old one was.
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>>2347888
>I only hike at high elevation
Right.
>will last forever
So will just about anything
>you can see how much fuel you have left!
Doesn’t matter if you fill your own canisters
>everyone always brings two canisters lol
I doubt you ever engage with other people on any level away from the anonymity of a screen, so this is just silly and made up. No one’s taking two canisters; they just throw out the half empty one and bring a full one. But even if they did bring two, what’s your issue with that? Weight? It’s still lighter.

But like I said in my original comment, the overwhelming majority of people aren’t using these stoves in an environment where they’re needed (high elevation or really cold weather). I don’t really have a dog in the fight; Supercat master race.
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>>2347898
>Supercat
Have fun "backpacking" in ohio
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>>2347975
Supercats work everywhere. Taking a Whisperlite in any season outside of winter in the lower 48 states is kind of silly.
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>>2347833
Straps, brain, trekking pole loops, ice axe loops (are you really using this pack in snow), all accessory loops, trim and resew side pockets so their actually funtional, the flap jacket. Literally 90% of this pack is useless unless your some boomer who needs the kitchen sink.
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>>2347998
I think you’re looking at a different pack…
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>>2347888
I've hiked enough with a heavy pack to know what is worth the weight and what isn't, and you sound like you aren't worth your weight in shit
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>>2347795
You could have just said yes
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>>2347795
>Ultra lighters love the propane--which should indicate where the true snobbery lies.
Holy shit, bro
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>>2345977
I have that same pack, really like it. Great for 1-3 nights, but my only complaint is it's tough to fit a large, 0deg bag on it.
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>>2345977
Ahh osprey. The iphone of the backpack world. Gross. Get anything else barring miltec and fjallraven.
Get a kelty asher. Or a Deuter for a bit more. You don't be wearing a trail snail stain at least.
Both types of ALPS are decent enough. A mountain range and a hunt range.
https://alpsmountaineering.com/backpacks.html
https://alpsoutdoorz.com/extreme-packs.html

https://www.kelty.com/backpacks/
Decathelon does some bottom of the barrel stuff that works well enough to show up on the cheap lists. They don't sell it here I can't comment on them.

Personally I'd only caution against osprey specifically. Too many rips. Warranty is not universal etc. Should have seen the last backpack thread. Failure pics everywhere.
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>>2348419
>Failure pics everywhere.
And by everywhere he means the same three pics that have been circulated for several years. I’m not defending Osprey, just saying the anecdotal evidence is just as flimsy as their packs. Also, it’s one of the most popular brands out there. You said it yourself; it’s the iPhone of the backpack world. Popularity doesn’t make it good, but it does mean there will be a lot of broken ones.
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>>2347898
>>2348044
>>2348123
Nidwit ultralight fags big-mad about their shit propane stoves.

After 20 years my Whisperlight International still works amazingly. I replaced the seals and a valve-ball and am still using the first fuel bottle I ever bought. Stay mad poor fag larpers.

I'm going to laugh when your propane prices skyrocket because most of it was imported from Russia.
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>>2348425
>posts cellphone statistics in backpack thread on an outdoors website
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>>2348550
You’re all over the place. You mentioned propane twice, but nearly every canister stove uses isobutane. The ultralight option is neither of those; it’s alcohol or no cook. And since when are ultralight fags poor? Aren’t they spending hundreds of collars to drop an ounce?
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>>2348554
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>>2348550
Must be pleasant being around this guy
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>>2348587
>>2348621
>Hoes mad
>>2348585
My points are (a) the whisperlight international is a solid, durable, long lived design and (b) most people that shill the pocket rocket, or similar style isobutane/propane/canister typed don't actually refill them and (c) most people that use the pocket rocket style stoves are insufferable-trend-following cunts.

And (d) is obtained is shit in cold weather and finally (e) the canisters only last a few years of refilling.
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>>2348419
what's wrong with fjällräven aside from the price? i have a 30 year old jacket from them handed down to me from my uncle that is still kicking.
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>>2348550
trangia's alcohol stove > *
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>>2346813
Not the OP, I got multiple rifles and pistols, pellet guns are still fun, especially if you want to kick by the fire and get drunk, shoot at shit.
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>>2348669
Realistically? Nothing. IF you can get it for very cheap. Think of it like the $264 linen jacket you get from Snow peak. They are essentially an upmarketed fashion brand that has a few very good items, most adopted in the early bushcraft phase of youtube and it rides on having old looking designs without the specific innovations that better materials with old designs would help make. A good example for my locality, Wilderness Equipment, who make a normal looking Kelty/north face type outdoor bag, but it's actually canvas.
You could try Tatonka for the same price line. That is nto to say Fjalls bags are bag, but they have an extra price hike on them due to fashion and brand age. So it's simply the price per performance, Second hand would be great or a very big discount.
The thing with canvas as a performance material is that the performans is duarbility in exchange for heavy weight. Not a bad thing to someone used to say, external frame packs. But the price point of Fjallraven means you could go get some specialised stuff or even custom gear like Kirafu made just for you and your fit shape. 200 is a healthy casual, 400 is paying for specialty materials or brand. 600 is paying for a combo of both and anything over that is super specialised gear. IE arctic rop bag compatable climging tech. I hope this sort of makes sense.

Another thing is region. Europpeans had access to some hiking stuff that is expensive to mark up import, where as the US has one of the coolest domestic markets for custom and premade gear in the world if not the best. I'm Australian so from an outsider looking in who has had plenty of chances to try both that's where I'm comming from. For us durability is basically mandatory. UV, hard scrub will kill most hiking bags if you go offtrail. And a lot of here is off trail.
Fjall isnt bad it's just that you should be selective. Because you might be able to take say, 500usd and drop it on a kifaru or hillpeople gear frame. Peep the prices here.
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>>2348425
For years? Everything I saw was people posting thier own. This year.

Also best selling = good. Hello 1990s brain.

>>2348587
Nice r/funnygraphic. Go back. Popular isn't good, it means people are buying from a list and not experience. Way to out self without going out again by the way.
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I got a cheap used one from the local outdoors store, its been serving me fine for years.
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>>2348664
>claims to burn any fuel and long lasting design
>can't burn fuckin wood and has to replace seals

After 20 years you are still dumb as shit
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>>2345977
>Realistically? Nothing. IF you can get it for very cheap. Think of it like the $264 linen jacket you get from Snow peak. They are essentially an upmarketed fashion brand that has a few very good items, most adopted in the early bushcraft phase of youtube and it rides on having old looking designs without the specific innovations that better materials with old designs would help make. A good example for my locality, Wilderness Equipment, who make a normal looking Kelty/north face type outdoor bag, but it's actually canvas.
>You could try Tatonka for the same price line. That is nto to say Fjalls bags are bag, but they have an extra price hike on them due to fashion and brand age. So it's simply the price per performance, Second hand would be great or a very big discount.
>The thing with canvas as a performance material is that the performan
just get a regular external frame, kelty or whatever
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>>2347795
If you can't chop a carrot because your delicate hands need a "modern handle design" to use a knife effectively, maybe you should reconsider certain things
I swear some people cry about the dumbest shit
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>>2348791
I literally said:
>I’m not defending Osprey
>Popularity doesn’t make it good, but it does mean there will be a lot of broken ones.
What’s with the negativity?
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>>2348928
>ho big mad, still
>can't counter any arguments
Cope. Even when I'm aincent ill still be in better shape than you and my gear is better quality and better cared for.
>>2349207
>Has to use a knife to cut carrots innawoods
Weird but OK
>Seething and making excuses for owning a garbage, flimsy rusted knife with a handle that can't get wet
Stay mad midwit
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>>2349214
>muh gear muh boomerisms

way to avoid all the claims you made of burning any fuel
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>>2349424
>makes zero point at all
Um, ok. You're also shit at math. I've had things in my life since I was 8 because my parents taught me how to not by cheap shit that doesn't last and how to do maintenance. Your parents clearly bought you a cellphone at 8 and you were raised on Netflix and instagram.
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>>2349449
>my parents spoiled me with expensive things as a child
>I grew up to be an asshole
Pottery
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>>2349449
so you've been a faggot since 8 good for you. I'll be over by my fire keep shilling for whisperlite
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>>2349464
This is the best you can do.
No arguments
Recycled, trite, was never good even by /b/ standards
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>>2349459
I actually bought them myself because I had a job at 12 and won prizes In public school for fundraising for my private school. I also won fishing derbies and have always had a higher iq and been better looking than you. Stay jelly fat boy.
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Hyperlite mountain gear bags are nice but pricey
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>>2349637
>make a $60 umbrella
It's meme tier trash
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>2349537
well when you don't acknowledge the points that go against your narrative you come off as a child. If ignorance is bliss you are buddha
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>>2349637
I think they rely more on materials cost to price up. Recently moved manufacture too. Can't recall where. The hyper priced tarps are insane though.
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>>2349794
Go back
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>>2349665
Dyneema is expensive, but i cant argue with the bag design and weight. Umbrellas are also very useful on months long through hiked.
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>>2349539
Lol I have an IQ of 160 and my brother 140, I'm not autistic infact I proccess social interactions insanely fast, sometimes too fast and I make jokes about a single word somebody would say and it would take them a while to get it. You're just trying to cope for being socially autistic by saying you have a high IQ which makes you that way.
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>>2348555
give me a quick rundown on this pack please. Is it actually good or is it just a meme?
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>>2345977
Camelbak Trizip.
Had it for more than five years now, never failed me once.
Too bad they don't make them anymore.
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>>2350934
It's a mid weight meme - an excellent one. At that price point you should consider other military bags that are new. You will have to be a true medium body as well. Frankly, fat fucks cannot getaway with the jakkari all that much as the straps are on a narrow profile. It's from a nation that blends the hyper simple russian unbreakale at all costs mentality vs the finnish euro influence that said "Let's make something that can survive our cold".

IMO the savotta bag line is a great design. It is as a Finn freind put it, "The retard strength of bags." If you get one it will last. I mean legitimately if you have kids they may well grow into the ability to use it. They are hipe dependant for comfort. The straps are lean and at first quite rigid. This is because they are designed with winter wearing layers in mind. Although if you wear a dead bird shit jacket, like with any heavy non Rei type bag, it will put undue pressure of the friction points that tends to tear through shell and puffy layers. This isn't a weakness but it is a limit that exists because it is made to go over a much stronger garmant layer than most know to use it with. You can wear a hoodie and be fine though.
The big hang up isn't quality, it's price per performance. Lots of people like the M but if you have actual winter you need that bigger winter spece. So the L and XL are getting more popular. If you have disposable cash you can actually get the framed ones which are phenomenal for what they are. They're not magic or anything. But the reason people like them is that they are a true buy it for life item. Some people don't need that and rightly buy other military adjacent stuff like Kifaru, Mystery Ranch, Lowe Alpine etc. Karrimor is big with the bonglanders. It's a bad for someone who wants a bag that can take extreme abuse. I do mean extreme. I'd wager they are sort of a fad for the next 20 year or so, but it's a good one. If you don't want the lightest, maybe you want the strongest.
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>>2350952
This is a good post. You should also add that Savotta is as far as I know, only remaining manufacturer who make their shit in Europe. I may be wrong with this, and I hope I am, but I sincerely don't know any other big backpack brand which produces their stuff locally.
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>>2350952
This is very based and accurate post.
t. happy savotta carrier
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>>2350932
So you don't take care of your equipment and still have a lower IQ than me. Move along child.
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>>2350952
>>2350963
>>2350971
i wont buy unless you post you´re bags
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>>2351210
Who cares, buy what you like and what serves your specific needs.
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>>2351212
picture from the store or warehouse does not count mind you
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>>2351210
No one wants you to buy one, they keep going out of stock too much and a chance to get one would be nice for people who are looking for them before the next conscript run on supplies.

In fact I encourage people to buy osprey because they 1 Will be forever marked by the r/smell and 2 will forever be anchored to safe over maintained trails and tear + proof fails. Just as I like it. Keep them where they belong lest they invade somewhere that takes effort to go.
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>>2351210
that's the bag on the picture you marrow
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>>2351263
I like how you’re trying to twist the Savotta stink onto Osprey. Nice touch.
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>>2351275
Convince me
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>>2347883
Different person but if you think she's ugly you need some help, I'm not saying she's gorgeous but she's more then a stone's throw from ugly.
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>>2351330
Now imagine what she looks like if she wasnt hiking for the past 3 or 4 days.
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>>2347795
>the blade is carbon steel and will rust
Not if you actually maintain your blade
they also come in stainless, i don't know why everyone who hates on opinels forgets this.
The larger ones are fine for outdoors use and the smaller ones are nice pocket knives, not every knife has to be as thick as a becker
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>>2350939
Looks like a mystery ranch bag, probably even a rebrand.
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>>2351349
>only addresses one of the multiple problems.
>flimsy blades are fine innawoods bro
Openel shills are truly worthy of being caled low iq.
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>>2345977
I love my eagle
it's comfy and the space is great
I don't usually need all the room but the few times I have filled it I was glad to have it like a summer fishing trip that had me packing for 4 nights+fishing stuff and an inflatable kayak
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>>2351423
It's fine for anything you'd use a folding knife for. If you're wanting some tanky bullshit, get a fixed blade
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>>2351366
looks nothing like a mystery ranch other than the 3 zip. this camelback looks like cheaper materials
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>>2351449
>fine for anything you'd use a folding knife for.
Unless it's raining or you want to pry something or you want a reliable locking mechanism or you want to heat the blade or you want a knife that will last more than 10 years.
Truly the 80iq blade of choice.
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Behold
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best pack I've owned.
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>>2351616
>Unless it's raining
More "Im too lazy to maintain carbon steel" shit
>or you want to pry something
You're absolutely braindead
>or you want a reliable locking mechanism
It's leagues better than whatever $20 liner lock you can come up with
>or you want to heat the blade
What the fuck are you even doing at this point?
>or you want a knife that will last more than 10 years.
If you aren't an ape and take care of your knives, it'll outlive you
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>>2351635
Ahahhahahhahahaha
>i don't hike in rain
>pry with a knife, whyyyyy, reeee
>the locking mechanism is in league with....
Ahhhhahhahahhahahahha
>Why would you heat a blade
You don't have a clue city parasite
>if you never use your blade, don't take it outdoors or get it wet it lasts forever bro
Loool
Your dedication to Retardation is God damn epic
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>>2351689
>i don't hike in rain
Immediately starting off with a strawman argument? this'll be fun
>pry with a knife, whyyyyy, reeee
You're still a retard
>the locking mechanism is in league with....
Thanks for proving that you can't read. Once again, the lock on opinels mog the fuck out of all of your shitty kershaws
>You don't have a clue city parasite
Imagine bragging about abusing knives
>if you never use your blade, don't take it outdoors or get it wet it lasts forever bro
Once again, not what i said, but I can totally see you thinking thats what maintaining your blade is
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>>2351698
Three threads of cope. Priceless.
You live in a major city, fess up brownie.
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>>2351210
You are a bag.
Fuck you.
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>>2346132
Sell me on the Circuit ULAnon. I have that, the Catalyst, and the Granite Blaze 60 on my short list. They all kind of fit the style that I'm going for and have reasonable capacity for 5-7 days of food, maybe more.
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>>2345977
How do picrel (and Osprays in general) hold up in the long run? How well does the included rain cover keep the contents dry?

I'm a hobbyist going semi-proffessional this summer and it will see ALOT of use. I'm looking to upgrade most of my gear without being stupid/waste too much money and my current backpack is too small for what I'm going to need.
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>>2352208
(if you have any other recommendation that will fuck Ospray in the ass for the about same money, feel free to post it. I'm not a brand-ist)
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Can anyone recommend an emergency bag that can carry a folded rifle of some sort?
Wanting to have a get home/bugout bag that can also hold something like a folding AR or a single shot survival rifle.
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>>2352208
Osprey made great packs in the 90’s and early 2000’s. They’ve made one good pack since ~2010 (the Exos, and I guess the Eja), and have been coasting off of their name for over a decade. The only thing that sets them apart is the breathable suspension netting, but that’s attached to mostly lackluster packs.

The weight to durability just isn’t there because they use 210D fabric over most of their packs (500d for the more susceptible parts) but have extraneous pockets and straps, adding up to well over 4lbs for the Atmos. The suspensions makes them very comfortable but it adds a lot of weight. Looking for light weight? There are better options. Not concerned with weight? There are better options. Looking for a middle ground between weight and durability? The Exos/Eja is the only logical choice by Osprey. I’ve never seen the Levity up close, but again, there are better lightweight options.
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>>2352380
Good answer. I have a few mediocre rucksacks and want to swap them for a single good one I could use all year round. I have no idea where to start looking. Not too many choices in my country, but they do sell a lot of Osprey packs so I was looking at those, but after reading this thread I'm not sure anymore.
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>>2352380
>They’ve made one good pack since ~2010 (the Exos, and I guess the Eja)
They make the absolute best child carrier for backpacking, and it isn't even close.
>>2352383
Dude I have 2 Ospreys and they're fine, people just like being contrarian to popular thing. Truth is they do have a great suspension system, maybe the best, and hold up really well.
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>>2352347
have you tired you prolapsed anus?
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>>2352208
>>2352380
Looking at a rook 65L used once, for $120, worth it? Just looking to do one or two night trips, mainly need something with an adjustable set up because I have an uncommonly long torso. Also if anyone can recommend something adjustable thats 40-50L in the $100-200 range?
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>>2352383
Well like I said, the Exos is one the best packs they’ve ever made, but fills a weird niche between ultralight and more traditional gear. It’s not that popular for that reason. People either opt for an Aura or Atmos, or an ultralight pack.

I’ve been using the same one since 2014. I’m not a mong who drags his gear behind a truck down a gravel road, but I also don’t stick to well manicured paved “trails” in city parks. There some kind of PU coating on the top flap that’s peeling pretty badly, and I had to have the sternum strap buckle replaced. Plus the elastic on the trekking pole stowage thing is dealing kind of funky and may not last much longer.

All Exos models are a fairly light 100d nylon with 230d for the susceptible areas. Other packs use the same material, but don’t have the netting suspension system (the Gregory Focal and the older Optic do; it’s a direct competitor). The 2022 version finally brought back hip belt pockets that they’d removed in 2018, and added an adjustable height shoulder harness.
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Fuck it, hope it’s not in too bad of shape
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>>2352347
The point is to be able to use a normal bag, not some special bag that stands out.
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>>2352208
Badly. Same as anything that is built thin and has a fashion market appeal. A lot of use will teach you sooner than later. If you keep it away from branches, thorns, tent pegs, tools, strong zippers, very rigid velcro corners, and broken lighters you should be fine. For my money just get decathelon and get the same quality with less marketing scum behind it. see post above >>2348419 if you want to have something a bit more robust. Ospreys issue is that it is made for completely non adverse, clean clear trails. You can do rocks with them but you might as well get a regular REI pack at that point.

>>2352562
For a couple of trips go bottom of the barrel. So osprey is good but you'll over pay for the build. If you can get one for 50 bucks it's ok.

>>2352641
This one almost looks like it will survive the next wash too. Do it.
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>>2351439
This is literally a Berghaus Atlas with added pouches and triple the price. What's the total volume with all pouches attached and extended? It says 128 liters but it looks more to me in that picture, or the guy is just small. I'd not pay that price, but I'm sure it's a high quality comfy bag for big loads.
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>>2352687
forgot pic
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>>2352645
>use a normal bag, not some special bag that stands out
what if I told you that this mindset is in reality just some theoretical fear mongering
like your argument goes something like "if you have a good bag, you're more likely to getting killed" right?
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>>2352650
>the YKK zipper on my pack failed
>this is Osprey’s fault
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>>2352704
>osprey chooses a shitty zipper for their shitty pack
>this is somehow the zipper manufacturers fault and not osprey's
huh
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>>2352650
Like to add, 1 Not the first I've seen this specific zip seam get shit up and 2 The price of weight in a bag that can't handle it was paid. My schoolbag took better knocks.
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>>2348791
See: >>2352706
>shitty zipper
Literally the same #3 zipper on everything but really cheap Amazon Essentials and Ozark Trails-tier stuff. YKK is ubiquitous, like DAP poles.

Also, here’s a post with that same pic on Reddit from 4 years ago. Are you still mad about it, or is this just another bullshit /out/ post? https://www.reddit.com/r/BuyItForLife/comments/84y65v/osprey_backpacks_are_not_bifl_and_their_guarantee/
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>>2352750
Nah, but it's nice to know the quality is the same after so many years.
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would it be stupid to modify a decent duffle bag to attach to one of those standalone carrying frames like pic related? I want an external frame backpack and I haven't found anything I like. but I already have a 50L duffle bag that I really like which I think would make a fine backpack.
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>>2353279
pic related
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>>2350952
>Some people don't need that and rightly buy other military adjacent stuff like Kifaru, Mystery Ranch
Which are also buy it for life items, but ok. The Savotta shilling in this thread is absolutely bonkers, it's a dumb fucking 1000D cordura bag with MOLLE on it. Not only is it an outdated design by military standards today (like seriously, do we have to go over this for the umpteenth time?) and by hiking standards.

The fact you guys are seriously trying to push this shitty designed backpack and have the gall to bring up the brands such as MR and Kifaru, whom make better packs that are designed better, with better thought out materials, and say Savotta is better, is absolutely mind numbingly dumb to me. You do realize who uses MR right? Do we need to go over this again?
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>>2351366
>>2351607
It is literally Mystery Ranch patent for trizip and their back harness. Camelbak made a deal with MR many years ago to make a limited number of these. There are some changes in regard to MR 3 day, but largely minor, otherwise they are nearly the identical backpacks.
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>>2352689
No the argument is more like “the point of concealing a firearm is for people to not know you have it, so a bag that says there is a gun in here is counterproductive to that”
Unfortunately, nearly all bags that are purpose built to carry a folded AR make it far too obvious that’s what they are for.
It also doesn’t help that people who buy such bags also buy matching 5.11 pants
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granite gear perimeter 50
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>>2353504
so in a situation where carrying a gun in a backpack is extremely likely, it's better for you to have a non conspicuous backpack
but for what reason exactly?
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>>2345977
I know its more of a /k/ question but I was banned there so I cant ask, what should I put in my minimap? The source bladder takes up a lot of space if its full but there's a second compartment for other stuff
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>>2353569
>what should I put in my minimap?
You should put things you need to carry in it
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>>2353567
I’m assuming Anon wants it to be inconspicuous based on the context that he is taking about a “get home” bag and not a hunting bag.
If you don’t care about it being obvious that you have a rifle, then just strap it to the outside or just use the sling your rifle should have and carry it that way on your back.
There is no need to unnecessarily take up room in a backpack if you aren’t trying to be inconspicuous.
If you are trying to be inconspicuous, then don’t get a purpose built “grey man” LARP bag where everyone who carries knows what’s in it anyways.
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>>2353569
Anon the fuck is this question even. (You) are only person for answering that. No wonder you got banned on /k/.
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>>2353582
this does nothing to answer my question
you're going in circles
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>>2353592
Sorry you’re having a hard time, I’ll try to help you understand one more time.
There is no reason to put a rifle inside a “get home” bag unless you are trying to conceal the fact you have a gun, in which case yes an inconspicuous bag is better than one that everyone who isn’t a retard can tell is a gun bag.
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>>2353605
what's a "get home" bag?
are your guns not at home and you're trying to smuggle them there from somewhere?
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>>2352650
You have to go back
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>>2353592
He's clearly retarded. Look at how many words he uses to say absolutely nothing.
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looking for a day pack, i have a 60L granite gear crown II but looking for something for 1-2 nights. Not sure how big would be sufficient. Think 30L is small? Suggestions?
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>>2353887
30 Liters on summer is hard but possible for overnight. 40 Liters gives more options.

Alice medium pack, Kelty Redwing 36, old Dutch combat pack... I use last one for hiking in forest and overnight during warm weather because it was cheap and durable (albeit not comfortable for everybody).
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>>2353895
I've done five days with 35l.
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>>2353887
The only thing that changes with a single night vs 3 or 4 nights is the chance of rain and the amount of food you need. Oh, and maybe more clean socks and draws, if you get extra gross, but that’s minimal compared to the other stuff.

As the other Anon said, the season matters as well. Winter requires a larger sleeping bag or quilt, and you’re going to want a fleece or puffy for the morning and afternoon, and possibly some clean long john silvers for sleeping. But summer is a very light bag/quilt, and maybe some gym shorts and a t-shirt for sleeping, and no extra layers for the cold mornings.

Best bet is ~40L, maybe smaller. I use a 48L with low temps in the 30’s (I’m in the south, so “winter” weather is different). It works with rain gear in cooler weather as well, maybe temps in the 60’s. Winter is out dry season, so I don’t need to cram a hard shell in there.
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>>2353895
>>2353911
It's for a telescopic fishing rod (with hard case and small tackle stowaway), first aid/survival kit, camera gear, spare socks/gloves/hat, pot/pocketrocket stove/titanium spoon, sleeping pad/tarp, headlamp, raingear, and hopefully a takedown rifle (don't have one yet, looking at ruger and ar7) and a few other things. Looking for something with large webbed pockets on the exterior.
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Ive been eying these mystery ranch day packs cause all i have is some shitty little northface fagpack that feels like shit. do people like them?
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>>2354052
Watch out; it uses YKK zippers, and a single 4 year old picture from Reddit is solid proof that they just don’t hold up.
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>>2354052
If you have the money, you can't really go wrong with MR. Though I would probably go with their military backpacks instead. Same function, more rugged.
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>>2354052
They're literally issued to the US military and US SOF, what do you think? They're bomb proof and actually designed very well, unlike Savotta.
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>>2354323
>military issued gear
That’s not the endorsement you think it is.
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>>2354323
Also they lack that Savotta "fried egg" smell.
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>>2345977
I like my 48, its been through quite a few trips in the 5 years ive had it. Not bad for a used bag i got for $60.
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>>2353623
Redditor uses osprey. Point proven.
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>>2353327
The thing with buy it for life is I mean for life not for 25 years hard good use. That's great value but it's not the eternal guarantee. That's all I was saying. I use both savotta and Kifaru fwiw. I didn't say it was better fwiw. I said it would last longer. If you think that's better in total then that's your mistake.

>>2354325
True. Back to the spec thing.
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>>2353279
>>2353282
Here
>>2351622
Camp trails/barneys sports frame
Can buy replacement shoulder straps from alps.
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>>2354565
That's really solid. Nice blend.
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>>2354565
I like that a lot anon thanks for pointing me in the direction. When attaching your own pack to a frame is there much concern for weight distribution or does the external frame handle that for the most part? What's your pack made from?
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>>2350952
>>2350963
>>2350971
>>2351263
Write less blatant ad copy, Jesus Christ.
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>>2354841
Take your meds. You could have instead posted actually something useful, ie.: other backpack brands that make their shit in Europe and not Chinksectland, but no, you can't even do that because you are probably some mentally ill faggot who doesn't even go out and just lives from the board drama.
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>>2355130
apparently only thing these people want is that everything is made in china
savotta is one of the few rare local manufacturers that are popular world wide and these people still go out of their way to shit on the stuff even though they have never seen or used any of it in real life
even oc posters are paid advertisers now, this is how deep their psychosis has become
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>>2345977
Whatever you do don't buy a CZ 4M backpack
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>>2355199
What (current year) packs aren't made in China?
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>>2355199
Lol I said LESS blatant
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>>2354841
The only one copying from a script here was the one osprey shill who was reposting same phrase from thread to thread and was caught. Again. It's whacky that a few loud ledditors are so set on myth propagation though.
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>>2345977
>>2348788

Ive used fjellreven kajka for almost 10 years. It holds up great, and it wasnt too expensive, 200 usd when I bought it. I can say for sure that its def NOT worth 700 usd.

last year I changed it out and bought klattermusen raido 55l instead. The main reason being i got a job and could afford a lighter sleeping bag and tent. Or rather I could buy my own and not borrow my parents'.

Opposed to Kajka, raido has a very clean design. It has No extra straps, which annoyed me to no limit with the Kajka. Whenever it was windy the straps would spin around like fan and slapping everything.

All in all: dont get fooled by ads that shows you all the different ways to tighten it. It is annoying, get a clean bag. 55l is enough for me solo for 1 week.

Ive also used norrøna recon 125L synkroflex Pac its a good bag not, way too big for 99% of people.

Try to get lighter items without being full UL. the extra comfort you get from bringing extra gear wil end up more tireing you more reducing the overall comfort.
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>>2355498
only the best ones
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I love my Karrimor SF Sabre 45. I have a few PLCE-compatible bags i can attach as well for longer stays. Built like a tank, and surprisingly light. Picrel, but not my photo.
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>>2354815
>>2354587
I had a lady sew me the bag. I bought the materials from dutchware and ripstop by the roll. The bag needs to be hung at the top. The load shelf you posted is too low and will create a lever. Try camptrails or barneys pack frame. I used a seek outside talon as my compression system with gate keeper straps. I have two more being made with water bottle pockete
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Does anyone recognize this brand / bag? Is it anything not shitty at all? Looks like an aluminum frame. I was thinking of picking it up to DIY a pack eventually. Might use as-is for a weekend trip or something in the meantime. seller wont upload other pics as it's only 10 bucks.
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>>2355830
pic related fuck
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>>2355827
Its a simple roll stop design with a method to hang and a compression system. I use it without a hipbelt and my normal alaska hunting load out with rifle and binos is 40lbs. But have packed animals out 100+ it just rides so well i love it. Cableas makes a bag called versa hunt 70L top load or camptrails moose pack. Check them out for inspiration
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>>2355832
beautiful stuff anon. thanks for all the info I'll be referencing this in the future
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>>2355834
Pack is 210 robic btw. You always want the Pack width to be more than the depth for good weight carrying physics. Number one problem in most modern packs
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>>2355498
Mystery Ranch (USA, only selected models though)
Savotta (Ebinlan and Estonia)
Tasmanian Tiger (Vietnam)
Dead Birb (Philippines)
Berghaus (UK, selected models)

I don't think there are much more. All in all, it is some selected models of Mystery Ranch and Berghaus and all of Savotta stuff if you want something first world made. Kinda sad.
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>>2355910
>>2355498
Seek Outside and Stone Glacier are made in America. Both highly rated, but very expensive, but at least you know some of that money is going towards first world wages instead of pure profiteering.
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>>2355923
We could probably make a list of manufacturers like that. Could be useful for anons.
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>>2355910
>>2355923
Nodrisk makes at least some of it's stuff in germany still.
There are quite a few brands like this, but they all go overlooked because of the cheap trendy garbage.
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ah! but nordisk isn't a pack manufacturer, my mistake
but still, you can get lots of stuff like sleeping bags and quilts that are made locally so that's nice
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>>2355969
>Sleeping bags and quilts
Absolutely. Carinthia comes to mind.
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>>2355923
>>2355910
Much appreciated pack.nerds
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Is there a better porter bag than picrel? I have a lot of high volume, low weight stuff to haul for multiple people and am looking for something like this or better.
I'm willing to spend up to $500.
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>>2355199
yeah, imagine a finnish made company having the budget to pay for an army of shills.
This isn't India or China.
I don't even think mystery ranch uses 1000d Cordura anymore. I'm not hiking the Appalachian and don't need to size down my tooth brush by sawing them into quarters. I just wanted a functional bag and to never think about the topic again.
One thing I liked about mystery ranch is their ability to tie down the game bag between the frame and pack, but that is only if you don't put the game bag in your pack.
Both companies are relative in my experience with wildland fire having seen Mr everywhere.
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>>2355831
is this a kid's pack?
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>>2357010
Serious question: have you not discovered the miracle of Ziplock bags, or do you take a gallon size to accommodate a full sized toothbrush?
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>>2357176
not him, but why the hell would you want to store your toothbrush in an airtight compartment?
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>>2356859
This wont carry weight well. Strap one to and external frame it’ll be better. With that budget you could get a barneys pack frame
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>>2357010
Neat strawman. Nobody thinks it's an army of shills, just like 3 dudes tops doing a shitty job at bombarding the board with their crap.
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>>2346813
HOW DARE YOU GO OUTDOORS!
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Picked up an old Gregory 60L for free, how good are these? Seems super adjustable but I can’t find any info about em. Also how do I get rid of the stank?
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>>2357742
Soak in water with lots of vinegar.
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What does this board think about Fjallraven Singi 20 as a day pack and/or EDC paired with proprietary side pockets for added space? Is the quality good or is it just meh?
I don't mind the lack of internal organisation as I'm most likely gonna use those side pockets for internal segregation and probably make some bags for that also. And waterproofing wil be done with wax. Gonna add picrel.
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>>2357915
Picrel
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>>2357919
Also picrel
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>>2357921
Picrel
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>>2357676
and 3 dudes obsessing over it
any publicity is good publicity, these retards >>2357010 don't understand that
>>2357891
then soak it in water for the day to leech out
then hang it outside to air out for a week (if it's that bad)
I've had to clean enough old canvas bags
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>>2357915
To clear up: I'm mostly concirned about the harness sistem, as in is it gonna be adequate for moderately heavy loads and of course as stated above I'm wondering about overall quality of the bag.
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> 2.8 lbs
> 60 L
> Basically free
Let me guess... you need more? No idea what advantage your 10lb canvas bags have over this. I can use it for day trips, I have used it in weekend trips, and I used it when I hiked Bartram for a week and a half.
This an a bivy/ tarp is all you need.
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>>2357412
So it’s not rolling around loosely in my backpack, and I can see all of the contents in a ziplock.
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>>2357915
>>2357919
>>2357921
>>2357923
No. You want a good belt system, because you want about 70% of the weight focused on your hips and not your shoulders.
You're going to be leaning forward with these to balance the tang of the bags weight. For a 20l bag that shouldn't be a big deal, because you probably won't have over 20-30 pounds in that thing.
Seriously though, people 50-100 years ago were making do with what they had. It may not be optimal, but it is definitely functional. If it is their g1000 it will take waterproofing well enough for most rain.
>>2357676
refer to:
>>2353327
>"A shill is a hustler or con-person who tries to convince other people to buy something or think something is great (shilling). The shill has ulterior motives for their actions, usually because they are the actual seller or have something to gain if the product sells well."
Sneed
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Are fanny packs/hip bags cringe or based? Just for like short half days hikes/walks
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I use a Wisport Raccoon 65l, made in Poland. Wanted a Savotta Jääkäri L but the Wisport is basically the same pack but cheaper, has adjustable torso length and much better padding as well as ventilation which is rather absent on the Savotta. It fits my needs well this is not a jab at Savotta users they are great packs but they didn't fit my needs.
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>>2357915
memeraven has become a fashion brand with a few good technical options
You can get a much better bag for that money.
Of course if you are mainly buying it for the style, then go for it.
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>>2358283
Here is the pack, was at work couldn't post photo.
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Could someone ID this pack? It’s being sold by a local dude for $30 and I’m wondering if it’s a steal or just chinkshit
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>>2358680
I messaged the guy and he’s def esl and said he doesn’t know the brand
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>>2358680
>>2358682
and he cant take any pictures that arent zoomed in ?
no tags ?
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>>2357974
They work and carry a god amount of stuff without being a backpack. What is 'cringe or based' depends on the user. If you care about social considerations too much, anything is cringe.
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>>2357943
Yeah dummy, I know what a shill is. My argument is with the use of the word "army." Your company uses the word "goddamn" in your cookies warning for chrissakes. Nobody is accusing it of being a professional operation.
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>>2358283
Savotta is garbage and they smell like fried eggs.
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>>2358745
>obsessed with a brand
>>2358680
>>2358682
you gonna elaborate or what, you made it sound time-sensitive
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>>2358747
>said the guy who launches ad copy at even the slightest negative commentary
You're shit at your job, mate.
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>>2358751
>paranoid, also
You are the one bringing up an old conversation. I would think that's something an advertiser would do. The fact that I am giving you shit for it seems counter-productive if I want to carry on such a dialogue
I am this guy >>2358702
Why wouldn't I tell him "no haha instead get savotta I hear its good"
How about this: stop bitching about it and move on. Make sense and agree, or be obsessed and giving free publicity by carrying on
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>>2358759
>Agree with me or go away
Lol eat a dick. Your backpacks are garbage.
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>>2358767
>remains obsessed and paranoid
I pity you
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>>2358768
I don't think about you at all.
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You've proven that to be wrong several times, and have others on your mind constantly- but yes, funny mad men joke
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>>2358774
>if I don't (you) him, then it can look like I got the last word!
Try and be a little less petty in your daily life. It will make you a happier person.
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>>2358759
>>2358702
>>2358747
I asked for more pics about 2 hours ago and no response, the guy has a good rating but it looks like all the shit he sells he picked up at swap meets or yard sales. That being said I myself have gotten some good shit under similar circumstances so I’m not giving up yet
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>>2345977
>>2352208
I've used my Aether 65 for years and love it. Incredibly comfortable, it's not covered with useless pockets, I even use it as a day pack with snowshoes or skis, since tightening the straps keeps it comfortable when nearly empty.

It's quite heavy, 5lbs, but I find the comfort and reliability make up for it. Extremely durable, and osprey replaces it if you manage to tear it.

The only downside are the water bottle holders. You can't put something hard, like your pots, on the side next to the water bottle, because you won't be able to squeeze the bottle in. I just put my pot in the middle and anything soft on the sides.
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>>2358809
Is this some joke with posting the same generic picture
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>>2358816
No i'm just lazy so I googled it and used the first result. Just realized it was the same one they used lol.
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Savotta has personally acknowledged this thread, and gives thanks to all those who discuss their brand
I am not affiliated with the company or anything, just want to share this:
>"I am the president and CEO of Savotta, Count of the Nordic Drag shade of fabric, and Lord of empty boxy packs. I have beared witness to many discuss our fine brand in the 'outdoors board' of the Fourth Channel- and would thank each participant in such discussion. I am not a native speaker of English, I am an 'ESL as a second tongue' sort, so I hope my word reaches in good translation. Thank you, and feel free to discuss our fine brand once more and forever more."
He then pointed at the screen at these posts, for special recognitions:
>>2351210
>'for initiating a further discussion'
>>2353327
>'for bringing back into conversation the brand after many posts of quiet. Without you, the talk may have died off- but you brought it back!'
>>2354323
>'to make comparisons between our products and the strict requirements of other nations surely highlights the quality- thank you!'
>>2358751
>'for intriguing our staff to the notion of advertising- a thought we had not considered before this very post!'

It was a very interesting conference, and while I am not affiliated with them (I stress that; not advertising nor begging) I am very excited that they referenced the thread I know about !
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>>2357676
Take your medication. Why do I have the feeling it is actually exactly the opposite - it is one dedicated sperg who has Savotta living rent free in his head. The fact you seethe so hard is also a proof of a worse sin than shitposting like a retard - of not going /out/.
Go outside, anon. Touch grass.

>>2358283
>>2358567
Wisport is seriously underrated on this board. Great, if not the best budget backpacks. If you are interested, there is a Czech sister company, Tactical Pro, which sells some of their backpacks but upgraded - from cosmetics like camo webbing, to extra zippers, compartments, etc.
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These people seriously belive that the finnish company Savotta employs 3 people to shitpost on 4chan.
We aren't allowed to say these people are crazy, without being undercover advertisers ourselves.
What if I told you that you people seriously overestimate your relevance in the grand scale?
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>>2359115
Don't tell the the schizo. He never ventures outside, hence his dependancy on board drama.
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>>2359024
How nice of you to recall our conference word for word!
As we agreed, you're not affiliated with Savotta™, but I will make sure that our team will not forget your positive contributions for our company :)
t.you know who
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Ironic savotta posting is still savotta posting
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>>2359131
Ironic?
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>oh, you're saying good things about something you have literal years of first hand experience with?
>that means you're trolling
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>>2359133
He means the guy who complains about it
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>>2354339
That kind of looks like the laurel highlands.

Where you at anon?
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>>2357943
Then what about Hill people gear Connor v2?
About same volume
Extra good harness
Beltable
Only con I see is price which isn't a big no in this case
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>>2359222
Picrel
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>>2359224
Picrel
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>>2359229
>bothers to put a zoom optic on a super shorty
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>>2359222
just buy whatever you want man, you don't need a belt in anything smaller than 40liters anyway this second one is much cooler in my opinion
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>>2359115
Then I would say "What the fuck do you mean, 'you people?'"
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>>2359103
You have that feeling because you're a retard.
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>>2360761
Go outside, schizo-kun.
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I have 3 eastpak backpacks from 90s/00s Made in USA that I use for everything and still hold up
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>>2360757
What a stupid question. Like literally no thoughts retarded.
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>>2360998
please don't be mean to my retarded cousin, he has only 1 hour of 4channel posting privileges per week and he feels very bad when strangers are mean to him during this limited time
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>>2347815
These were standard when I was in high school (late 1990’s). A see-through backpack was required as part of an anti-weapon measure. Even as a teenager we knew it was either complete retards running things or some kind of psyop.
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>>2361671
Oops sorry. I just hold the posters on this website to extremely high standards, my bad.
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>>2347975
I don’t get it. What did he mean by this?
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>>2360998
Almost as "no thoughts retarded" as getting butthurt over a joke? I guess it's to be expected when autistic ESL Finns try and interact with actual human beings.
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>>2352201
This anon again. I ended up snagging the Blaze 60 on sale. So far I just loaded it up and did some day hiking but I'm really liking it. Way easier to get in and out of and I don't know how I lived without the side pockets before.
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>>2359024

>Be me
>Go /out/
>Come back
>See funny pack thread again

Still going. Incredible. Osgays are something else.
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>>2345987
There are cottage companies that sell 10oz 30L packs for $150. It’s far from the best deal
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>>2346375
this puts the pack farther away from back though, causing you to lean forward more. I’m convinced it’s not ultimately helpful, and I’d rather just sweat; I’m going to anyway
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>>2359224
The HPG harness system is comfortable but the Connor is 100% gimmick. All the mesh compartments are too small to store anything useful. The hypalon flaps don't do anything and you can't attach pouches to them because they have zero rigidity. Shit just flaps all over the place. I'm still not sure what the Connor is supposed to achieve. The Umlindi looks like it might be alright, but you'd have to buy an extra $100+ in pouches to make it useful.
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>>2345977
Milsurp is king
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>>2362913
Stop carrying so much shit and you won’t need such a large pack. Then you won’t even notice and can take advantage of this type of suspension.
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>>2364049
120L? Sacre bleu.
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>>2364101
When expanded, its 90l standard. i can't remember how much, but the side bags add to all that making it 120L
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>>2364105
I could actually fit my whole MSS in there, and still have room for other shit. Damn you anon, feeding my hopeless bag addiction.
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>>2364109
>MSS
Yeah you even have straps on the top and bottom to hold the pad and tent/bivy. External frame too, and all that for a 100$ for a sturdy pack. Only downside is that its pretty heavy empty compared to normal bags. But hey what doesn't kill you...I'm pretty sure you could get it for less than a 100 if you're in the US/UK/EU
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don't wanna create another backpack thread so I'll ask here, does anyone have experience with picrel? I'm trying to figure out whether it'd be worth the 60 odd euros or not.
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>>2364146
It's the best daypack I have and I've had many. Very comfortable and compact, but if you actually start filling it feels bigger than 20L. If it had water bottle pockets on the side I would buy a second one as backup in case they stop making them.
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>>2364198
nice, I think the only one available on the helikon-tex website rn is the one in wz 93 camo so I think I'll be waiting a while for the coyote to come back. thanks for the info though anon
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>>2347483
There's alot of retarded snobbery on this board
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>>2362918
I ordered an umlindi and the back pouch, I'll report back when I get it if the thread's still up. Been waiting for them to restock and I missed the last time. Big selling point for me is the modularity and the extra fuckhueg side pockets for water bottles.
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>>2359221
>laurel highlands.
about 500 miles south of that
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>>2364589
If this thread ends report on a similiar one
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>>2362918
So you don't own either of those two?
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i'd buy a gregory backpack if they werent so heavy
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>>2365903
The 48L Focal is 2lbs 5oz with the top pocket removed. Not bad but certainly not great.
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>>2364595
>>2364701
>>2364589
>>2364835
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>>2350939

you're in the ** army aren't you
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My MLD Core was super cheap and well made.
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>>2364056
My BW is under 8lbs so I dont need a janky retarded suspension thing
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>Want to go /out/ again
>Haven't been out since I was a boyscout decades ago
>Have no gear anymore
>Local shop have an Atmos 65 on sale
>Buy it along with some other gear
>Begin packing for first outing
>Can barely fit my shit in the bag
>Had to pack my food in a separate bag
>"What the fuck 65 liters should be more than enough?"
>Second outing doesn't go any better
>Thinking about dropping going /out/
>See a couple of straps on the bag I hadn't noticed before
>Unleash them
>Bag suddenly unfolds and become 90% bigger
I'm a fucking nincompoop.
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>>2366450
>doesn't understand how packs work
>buys impulsively without actually giving a look over
>has never worn a belt
>is a frogposter
>claims to have been a scout but doesnt understand compression straps
Either fake or, yeah, get out of the game.
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>>2366615
jesus man anon bought something on sale because he likes the same hobby you like. get it together.
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>>2366629
I spend a couple minutes giving something I plan to buy a look over before I buy it. I "got it together".
on sale is irrelevant, especially for an outdoors store where it just means back to regular non-inflated MSRP. I buy clearance often, I still look at what it is first
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Anyone know when the facking Mariposas restock?
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>>2366615
You forgot the most important part:
>actually goes out
So he’s ahead of 90% of the board, which is just /k/ overflow.
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>>2366336
Ok
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>>2366690
If you think a guy who didn't put anything inside him bag actually went outdoors anywhere relevant, then you are a fool. He claims to have been shoving his chikin tendies into a 90% closed bag. That's like compressing a sleeping bag bag and then trying to shove it in; with it hanging out of it while you hike
>just /k/ overflow
and like someone said, they've been going out before out was a board
>/b/ and /pol/ overflow posting frogs
aye thats more like it
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>>2366615
>doesn't understand how packs work
It's not like the bag came with a manual or those two straps was described in any reviews.
>buys impulsively without actually giving a look over
I've been in enough /out/ threads to know Osprey makes pretty good bags. Seeing that bag at 60% off seemed like a no brainer, and most reviewers was praising it.
>has never worn a belt
Not sure what this is refering to.
>is a frogposter
Got me on this one.
>claims to have been a scout but doesnt understand compression straps
I stopped being a boy scout once my edgy teenage years kicked in and it "wasn't cool" anymore. Had a shitty bag that got the shit done back then, but it was mostly the adults carrying the majority of the load.

The bag is still pretty spacious even when compresed. It's just that it's a major pain to pack anything into it. Especially when your shit can't be compressed very much to begin with.
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>>2366756
>It's not like the bag came with a manual or those two straps was described in any reviews
If you have handled a pack more than a jansprot basic, you should know how to work the straps. You claimed to have been a scout but don't know how to strap a pack? Sounds like those reviewers aren't good
>Seeing that bag at 60% off seemed like a no brainer, and most reviewers was praising it.
That's fine, except the reviewers don't seem to actually go through the bag if they never touched the straps
>Not sure what this is refering to.
Refers to you seeing tight straps, and they must be if it closed off 90% of the bag, and not knowing for TWO TRIPS that you can loosen them
>it was mostly the adults carrying the majority of the load
sounds like a bad troop
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>>2366450
That's hilarious and adorable. Glad you figured it out though. You gonna find somewhere cosy to sleep out or just do trails for a while?
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>>2366966
I have four campsites within 15km, so my plan is to walk out and do overnights at each, and then do a hiking tour where I pack for five nights out and just walk between all four and sleep at a different one each night.
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>>2367066
That sounds ideal even if you do it on foot.
I don't even have towns near by or even farms so it's basically nothing in all directions. Super easy to just walk to places and set up. If you have something even in built up areas that is an option and you can walk to each of them that's very fortunate. Make sure you look out for ticks and bug proof everything. All else is just deciding how you want to sleep and how to stay warm n dry.
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>>2367074
>I don't even have towns near by or even farms so it's basically nothing in all directions
Mad jelly. It doesn't matter where you go in my country. You'll have a house within 2km and a town within 5km, so there isn't really such a thing as "remote". On the other hand it's very hard to get lost and you're always within walking distance of an ice cream on a hot summers day.
>Make sure you look out for ticks and bug proof everything
At least I have experience with that. I've always lived near forests and have taken many walks in them.
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What set ups do you guys use depending on your trip? I currently have a 20l day pack, a 35l pack for 1-3 nights, and a 65l pack for 3+ days. Thinking of grabbing a larger pack for longer trips, I don't do many but I've been buying stuff ahead of time lately. Was looking at a Berghaus 90+20 pack but dunno how overkill that is. I like it can be huge or just 90, that way I don't need an 80l pack and a 120l pack. Open to other ideas, any other packs that are like 80+20 that are more modern and sub $300?
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>>2367487
20L for dayhikes, 50L for 1-2 nights, 100L for 2+ nights. My gear is cheap and bulky so I couldn't even do one night with a 35L like you. That being said the Berghaus might be overkill because it sounds like your gear is compact. Unless you plan to bring a huge amount of food and spare clothes ofc
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>>2367494
I'm in the south so I don't need much in terms of clothes. all my packs have autism straps on the outside which is where I put my bulkier stuff which let's me use smaller packs
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>>2367487
I have a 20 liter pack that I use for daytrips and extensible 55 liter pack that I use for overnighters and trips up to 1 and a half weeks. What are you planning and unsupported month? Especially considering if you can really pull off 3 nights with a 35liter.
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>>2364114
its 60 squid over here
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how can I better carry a pelican 1400 than with my rush LARPout bag?
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Picked up a helikon-Tex raider basically brand new for $20 but it smells like curry from the previous owner, I’ve washed it a few times and the smell won’t come out. Wtf is wrong with Indian people?
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>>2347898
>the overwhelming majority of people aren’t using these stoves in an environment where they’re needed (high elevation or really cold weather).
The majority aren't, but I live quite a bit above the arctic circle, and I hunt in the winter.
Don't have a burner yet, as I've simply gotten by with burning wood so far, but I'm looking into getting a multifuel of some sort.
Any recommendations for a good and somewhat light burner that works well in the cold?
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>>2359842
Why would you not?
Short barrel doesn't detract from accuracy, at all, only sacrifice is velocity.
If you are using the gun for small game, having some zoom is damn near mandatory, unless you don't care about ruining all the meat.
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>>2368011
Out of stock :( gutted, this looks perfect.
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>>2368568
It’s his sweat.
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>>2368568
try to soak it in water w/ baking soda & white vinegar
rinse thoroughly afterwards.
i use this to get armpit stains out of white shirts
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>>2362918
>>2364589
Got it on Friday, spent the weekend out and so far I have no complaints. I'm still getting the straps dialed in on the shoulder yoke and I'm going to get one of their belts later on at some point, probably springing for the full sized prairie belt. I'm moving from a more rigid backpack without compression straps so there is absolutely some learning. Planning on putting it through it's paces on some section hikes in the white mountains this fall and summer so I can make a followup post later on when I've put some miles on it.
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Picrel. Hasnt failed me yet, dropped it in the creek on a refill and somehow didn't get my shit soaked. I-I swear my back is fine!
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>>2368861
>If you are using the gun for small game, having some zoom is damn near mandatory
Small game is slow enough where you can take a second to aim with irons. Sight them for like 50 meters or something silly short. If you zero a red dot for 20 feet you are justifying a waste of money. Mag. optics are for larger animals that arent dumb and will leave if you get not even that close.
And it does affect accuracy as well as velocity- and there is overlap.
But then again why use 5.56 on small game and then state you care about the meat tearing
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>>2369103
What bag?
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Karrimor sabre 60- 100 with rocket pods
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>>2369103
>>2369316
>forgot to hide the trip
welcome "back"
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>>2345977
what bag is this?
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>>2369325
a generic PALS pack
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>>2369326
dude said it was from wish. not bad really.
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I'm an egg belt man. If I wanted to wear a backpack, I'd go finish my diploma.
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>>2369333
a generic PALS pack from a generic store*
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>>2369103
>torso length
holy shit Fredrick, should you be carrying that?
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>>2369411
don't make fun of Madsen's height
or boneitis or pedo tenancies
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Since talks are pretty active despite post limit I figured to make a new thread while fresh
>>2369423
>>2369423
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>>2366450
I'm also retarded and reading this post made me happy. I have used my Atmos 65 once and thought it was pretty small. I'll go check it out for the magic straps next.
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>>2364114
in the US these are very difficult to buy fuck u
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What sized pack would you guys recommend for 3 day trips? I'm going on a 3 day /out/ting in about a month and have been eyeing 55-60L packs because I want to get something that I'd be able to also use for a 4 day trip if I do one in the future, as opposed to having to buy a new pack for it. Is 60L the Goldilocks size or should I go smaller?
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>>2370626
60 is good go for it
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>>2370626
I've done 7 days in warm conditions with a 50L. 55L is enough, 60L is plenty.
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here after bump limit lol



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