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Any suggestions/tips for E-tools(entrenching tools)
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Don't get one.
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Are they not good?
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>>2276782
E-tools are fine. They are heavy and cumbersome though, and for normal camping, completely unnecessary. For poop holes in the ground you'd be better off with a garden showel that is compact and weighs next to nothing.
But if you know that are digging trenches or dikes for your tent in case of rain, then an e-tool would be justified. I have an old swedish army milsurp e-tool (from the 80s) in my car. It weighs a lot but is essentially undestroyable. I wouldn't go backpacking with it due to its cumbersome nature. I also have a current issue e-tool of the Finnish defence forces, made by Fiskars, and it is a lot more packable and lighter, but you lose in usability then.
In the picture: on left, the Swedish milsurp E-tool and on the right, the Finnish current issue E-tool.
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>>2276771
Unless you need to dig foxhole just use one of those v shaped tent stakes
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The current one looks like the one the US military gets, the Gerber with the plastic handle. I was never a huge fan of that one. I’ve seen ones similar to the Finnish one.
I was thinking of purchasing one that was made by CRKT but I wanted to second hand opinions first.
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Used to use my old NATO issued one, but the spring has given out, now I use the cold steel one
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>>2276944
That cold steel e-tool would look so hot with walnut stained handle.
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I really like the dark green, sorry about the spring though
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>>2276771
I understand that the cold steel one is a popular and affordable choice.
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>>2276771
I only ever use mine for gorilla gardening. Which it's ideal for because it's easy to conceal going into parks/forests.
>>2276793
I have a Gerber E-tool and it works fine for the business, although not enough justification to get one.
>Use a full size shovel
Jesus dude, how huge of a shit are you taking!? Ironically the kids sized shovels aren't actually that much cheaper than a folding shovel.
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I’m assuming it’s pretty durable as well?
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>>2277029
>Use a full size shovel
By a garden shovel I meant those small things that you dig small holes with. Now that I googled it it seems that I was talking about a planting shovel. But anyways, a shovel like this was what I was telling OP to get instead. English isn't my native so I got words mixed up.
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>>2277057
Makes sense. I don't like the plastic ones though. I was really just making a poop joke that you set up... You might be able to find a metal-kids-shovel at a thrift store.
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>>2277057
Also known as a 'trowel'
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>>2277063
Big bois make big poops.
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>>2277082
I like your moxy sir
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>>2277029
>gorilla gardening
You had much success? Gorilla trees popping out of the ground and little gorillas blooming in the branches?
Guerrilla.

>>2277057
>By a garden shovel I meant those small things that you dig small holes with.
So, a garden trowel.
Not a fucking shovel.
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>>2277096
Hey English isn't his native language he used the wrong descriptor for a trowel, I already notified him above that we also call them trowels, no need to go rabid on him.
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>>2277096
>spell checking on 4chan
>spell checking someone that's already been corrected who already admitted to not being a native English speaker
Go back.
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There has legit never been made an E-Tool good for 3+ uses. just use a fucking shovelhead you primate.
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>>2277117
There has, that doesn't make it good though.

https://jacobswelloutfitters.com/products/f-a3-pouch-extension-bundle?currency=USD&variant=34921186361502&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&gclid=Cj0KCQiA2sqOBhCGARIsAPuPK0j3Mx0ylxdM65OSuqKTQ9-R9XTNKtf00-jP4I6carHBWBgpTiAYm6saAv0mEALw_wcB
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>>2277109
>who already admitted to not being a native English speaker
I ain't one either and never felt that was much of a valid excuse.
Shovels are big, trowels are small.
Gorillas in the mist. Guerrillas...isn't even an English word.
Marshall Law is a Tekken character. Martial law is a psyop to control boomers.

No talent!
ESL is not an excuse!
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>>2277117
>can dig a hole
>can fill a hole
>can kill a beast
>you can throw it for entertainment
You just sound creative. I bet you read instructions for everything to make sure you know how to use things like trowels
If you havent been outside at night and heard a noise that made you grab your handshovel as a weapon, you havent been outside in tough enough circumstance
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>>2276771
>E-tool
Oh that's the lewd thread I heard about it.
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>>2277057
For this type of trowel, I've been loving my cheap "Duce of spades" knock off!
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>>2277096
>>2277132
Well, it is one of those things that does confuse people who are talking in a foreign language. In my language there is only one word for shovel no matter the size and it could mean both trowel and a showel. Thus, the use of a "small showel". I admit that it is my bad. It has been a long time since highschool and my vocabulary has steadily decreased by every year due to not actively learning and using English. I will use the word trowel now though.

>>2276944
>>2277006
Anyways, this thread has made me want to purchase a Soviet/Russian MPL-50 or a clone of it for autism and larping pirposes. Is the Cold Steel version as good as the product that it is copying? They claim that the original MPL-50 can be used as an axe, as a skillet, for hand to hand fighting, digging, throwing and as a measuring tool.
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>>2277321
I've used the Cold steel for digging; a foxhole, a couple graves, and often for garden work. It throws fun but that's just novelty. I wouldn't cook on it tho- just get a cheap dedicated mess kit. It is a comforting thing to have in hand when you are investigating something outside. If you know the length, you could measure with it (:
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https://www.amazon.com/Cold-Steel-92SF-Special-Hardwood/dp/B00169V99K
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>>2277321
Choosing rater nicely
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>>2277588
*chops rather nicely
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>>2276771
I used the one in the back to get weeds out of rubber pits, parking lot etc on Fort Hood highly recommend it for that the new ones don’t have enough mass
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>>2277651
The old surplus ones from the 80s-90s are pretty Gucci for car camping. Nothing says redneck like getting drunk and chopping firewood with an etool.
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>>2277326
Here is mine, note the clean lines and ability to hack through relatively thick roots
This hole ended up being 4-5 feet deep, and about 4 feet wide
>>2277272
Interesting that you never actually posted an e-tool despite shitposting about what sort of thread this is
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>>2276771
It may go without saying, but wtvr...
Remember to file the edge every now and then.
The blade will cut through roots better if it's sharp.
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>>2278228
....so why are you digging a gigantic hole with an etool... I'm not mocking, I'm impressed really.
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>>2278228
So from what i take from this is that the cold steel spetsznaz shovel is gud? I just want it for the sake of larping and exquisite fun, i like tools with some heft and i like chopping woody stuff and digging for no reason.
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Having carried one as a reservist I'm not sure why you'd want one unless you're actually going to need to dig a fighting position

If you do need one for some reason you're better getting one with a fixed handle or simple single folder, the 3 piece NATO shovel seems to fail after a while.

Digging a shell scrape with a folding spade sucks never mind a trench, I guess being under idf sucks more though.
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>>2278495
I had to remove a stump, so I figured while I had a two-three feet deep hole I might as well meme. Pragmatically: it was an exercise and I learned about how moisture affects holes over time (this location was too shady to keep a hole; mushrooms developed. Memery: it was mid-2016 and I wanted a civil war fox hole (;
>>2278593
Yeah it's good. I got a second one to have for the future in case they stop making them/inflation. It was about 20$ when I got them and they are well worth it. I'm using it still today, original one, for gardening.
>>2277272
>deleted post
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>>2277321
On eBay you can get a Russian titanium one for like 35-40 bucks. It weighs under a pound. Takes like 3 months to get to you though. Same guy makes titanium trowel heads etc with holes in them. I’m not a ultralight kind of guy but I try and keep my extras to a minimum but I won’t go out anymore without it. From poking the fire to taking a shit to potentially clubbing something to death it’s just good to have.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/175041936607?hash=item28c14ffcdf:g:kc8AAOSw7Spb0vUW
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>>2279011
>40 dollars plus 20 dollars shipping
I'd rather just get two-three cold steel shovels at that. I looked into the titanium variant in the past but it seems counter-intuitive if it's pricy
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>>2278711
Hahahaha, thanks anon. I like your moxy. The smaller shovels are nice for gardening but it's hard to find a sturdy mini shovel these days that isn't for kids.
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>>2279011
Could you post pictures of your showel? As well as specifications? What is the thickness and so on, since I am genuinely intrigued now. Also, I live in Finland so I guess it would arrive somewhat quickly.
t. >>2277321
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>>2276771
What happened to the larp general, because that’s where this thread belongs
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>>2280161
>tools are LARP
>people posting their use of tools outdoors is playtime
Go away
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>>2280161
You are the guy nobody likes at any hobby event.
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>>2280171
He's probably the same guy who deletes his posts
>>2277272
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>>2276771
Cold Steel SF shovel is goat, works as shovel, machete and hatchet, after annointing it with holy water will also help you fend off the skinwalkers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOaEjJz-6jg
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>>2280256
A contender appears
https://www.harborfreight.com/27-in-round-nose-mini-shovel-with-d-handle-69826.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=15023939007&campaignid=15023939007&utm_content=129512592660&adsetid=129512592660&product=69826&store=474&gclid=CjwKCAiA5t-OBhByEiwAhR-hm22hU4CU1YGH4ThTf-FJWWg4BIXX6h-P3eO-9LR0MtdvMrjgI_elfBoCWYkQAvD_BwE
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>>2280260
No thank you.
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>>2280260
Not interested. How about you post a picture of your's and maybe I will consider it. You actually have one, right ?
>>2280256
I've even used the flat part of the shovel as a hammer to push down some posts on rainy day
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>>2280271
Mine is currently a 1500 miles away. I'm on a consultation job. I actually don't have this brand, mine is a 60 year old hand-me-down. The horizontal top handle is what makes it good. Mine is the same size but wider and the handle is red. I also have a meme fold out Gerber but old woodie gets used way more.

It's the size and design that make it very usable.
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>>2280260
Those mini shovels look like an interesting alternative, if you're just looking for a small shovel. (abou the same size, about the same weight)
But those modern mini shovels are complete crap if you want them to last.
Great to have in the car to get it unstuck. To have in the garden for the raised beds. Even to strap to the backpack for some innawoods light duty digging.
Not if you think you're gonna chop a tree in half with a shovel.

t. owner of something like that (picrel)
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>>2280365
I use the Gerber innawoods.
The mini is strictly urban garden.
Full disclosure if I'm hacking with the Gerber I'm not sober. I guerilla garden with the Gerber though. Concealable little thing.
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>>2280393
Is the gerber shovel of yours like the FDF issued one, pictured in >>2276793?
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>>2277057
>by a full size shovel i obvioualy meant this hand held 6 inch toy

lol thanks for the laugh anon
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>>2280396
It's similar to the one on the right. The handle is smaller
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>>2280412
Heh, yes. I was corrected about the wrong word already. But good thing that you got amused from it.
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Why not become a titanium chad?
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Anyone use these before? Don't care about brand a bunch of people make them. Seems like it would offer better rigidity than a garden trowel but also be heavy enough to dig small pits and things easier.
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>>2282098
This screams "Take a shit in the woods'
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>>2276771
i got the cold steel spetsnaz shovel for the memes, i actually used it to get my car unstuck from mud once. i used it to dig out under the tires and put a little texture on the top of a wooden plank for traction.
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>>2282723
Don't forget to oil that bitch every 6 months or so.
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>>2283108
I leave mine out overnight and while the edge of the shovel gets a bit orange that goes away fast the next time I use it
Definitely oil if you store it, tho
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>>2283112
>I'm a contrarian: the post
(Yooou)
Do maintenance. Kids need to learn to lube rheir toys to make them last, (c)rusty old man.
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>>2283142
>le reddit terms
What? I'm this guy >>2278228
I've used the tool hard- rust doesnt result in chipping or any serious damage to this tool. A trench shovel is not something you need to baby. It's surface level, not pitting. You sound insecure, post your shovel with a timestamp or I will assume you are like this guy >>2277272
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>"Tools of trench warfare are delicate and should be babied. Never leave them outside because they might get wet. Keep them safe, inside, nice and dry. Maybe even get a safe for it, with moisture control."
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>>2283152
>Taking care of your shit is insecurity
Some of my gear is almost 30 years old. Stop sucking at life: do maintenance. Rust is your enemy.
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>>2283163
Yeah rust is bad, on stuff that it matters. This is a cheap garden tool. I've left mine outside for about half of the 6 years I've owned it and wow it's still the same size. We aren't talking about tractor engines or bolt carriers.
and my Colt is 70 years old, good condition
And I explicitly stated I do maintain my tools.
You don't have one of these shovels, do you ?
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>>2283170
>Buys cheep shit
>Doesn't take car of it
I have tools my parents gave me. Some of my garden tools are almost 100. You suck at life. Please don't breed.
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>>2283172
Yes, this shovel is 20 dollars. Very good- I do own other things, you know. You are very bad at presumptions. Very bad.
I've striped the paint down and recoated it last year- which, again, is a bit more than you'd expect for a 20 dollar shovel but hey that's me

I note you haven't posted your's yet, is my presumption correct that you don't even have one? You sound upset about something, and are deflecting that onto me. I hope you address the root cause of your anger in a healthy matter.
Show us your 100 year old tools !
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I have a titanium one and when I was trying to look up what type it used i saw where it said titaniums "sheer strength" isnt as strong as steel. is that something i have to worry about with something as small as a shovel? just wanted to make sure it wasnt a meme. already have the cold steel and like it
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>>2283184
>alot of irrelevant words
I notice you don't have a picture of an e-tool to share.. or your 100 year old tools. Noted.
>Lol.
ah it's like talking to a schoolgirl

Cute snek tho
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>>2283188
pic related
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>>2283188
They make small shovels out of plastic, so I'm sure it would hold up to the reasonable tasks you would ask of it. The advantage to titanium is just for when you hike with it. If you keep it in the car or use in the yard, the steel is good enough.
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>>2283190
Embarrassing. I get it: you're a hypocrite.
>Post sources reeeeeeeee
>It's IMPOSSIBLE to have tools 100 years old
>>2283108<--
For non Reddlters.
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>>2283202
>is afraid to show the state of his alleged tools
>they are all rusted and pitted away (if exist at all)
>projects his reddit history
Okay, man. You've just made a fool of yourself here. Enjoy being you, stubborn kid
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>>2283204
>Don't do maintenance and buy cheap shit reeeee
Embarrassing
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>>2283108
for why? any rust that builds up gets knocked off with the next use and if it gets dull it takes 30 seconds to chase the bevel with a file.
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>>2283210
This, like I said >>2283112
He doesn't own an e-tool, I wager he is the same guy who derailed the thread earlier and deleted him posts
I just took pic related- wow the edge cleaned up nicely and I didn't have to use CLP on it
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>>2283220
aye thats what i figured. i dont oil any of my other "normal" shovels, they all dig fine with a layer of patinaand i've only seen rust eat one shovel that lived outside in the ground and it was older than i was at the time of it's death
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>>2283220
>>2283228
>Fuck maintenance
Y'all suck at life
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>>2281673
Is titanium suited to shovelling? Doesn't it not oxidize or something weird or whatever it was
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>>2283268
This 7 year old shovel has literally been refinished. I think that counts as maintenance. Go delete more of your posts like >>2283184
Sad.
>>2283228
Aye, patina that's the term
>>2283497
It's light for it's strength. That's the main appeal. Like hiking cookware
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>>2277087
Soldier Mains
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>>2283645
>I don't do maintenance
>But but I do maintenance
>Doesn't know how the website works
You have a mental disorder kid.
Titanium is also corrosion resistant and is used in dyes. Stop giving advice: you have a room temperature IQ.
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>>2283911
Oh the guy who doesn't actually own anything is back. Did you take a picture yet ?
>titanium is light, for hiking
>"UGH YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING"
Don't be this way. I also stated I do maintenance
here:>>2283178
and here:>>2283220
maybe develop your reading comprehension.
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>>2276771
i have the first one of this pic.

its stamped US Ames 1944, my grandpa picked it up during WW2 when he was a kid. he used it as garden shovel for his whole life.

only problem is that you cant fold it anymore since there is concrete in the screw part.
does anyone have a idea to get it out without destroying the steel or the aluminum nut.
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>>2276771
Line up three stones and put two sticks underneath
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>>2283913
Aluminum is lighter than titanium midwit.
Anything else you want to embarrass yourself about being wrong about?
>Take pictures of how to lubricate a folding shovel
Yes, you are the kind of person that needs a picture book to explain a task even a child could do.
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>>2286147
I can't remember if the threaded part is bakelite or steel but if it is steel there is a chemical solvent that removes cement from steel.
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>>2286487
its aluminum,
if it was steel i would have used muriatic acid. since it dissolves concrete, steel to but slower than concrete.

but i actually got if loose a few hours ago, i soaked it in ATF a few days ago. after 4chin remembered me of that i carefully twisted the nut with a pipe wrench and managed to slowly work it loose.
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>>2286602
Nice. I love reviving old tools.
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>>2286483
>comes back days later to cowardly reply
>still no picture of 100 year old tools
Nice.
And I said titanium is lighter than steel. Where did I say than aluminum? little skipper- wrong again, bad reading comprehension once again
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>>2287536
>I don't do maintenance
>But I do maintenance
>Titanium is lighter nevermind about aluminum
>But but show me pictures and ignore my disingenuousness
>Noooooo you can't have a real life and not live for posting nonsense on /out/ like meeeee
You got issues dude. Keep it up, I'll be back in a few days to laugh at the guy who's so proud of a rusty shovel.
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>come back from afternoon of tidying up garden work
>>2287768
>nonsensical ramblings unrelated to what I said
Nah, I don't do back and forths with crazies. You've proven you cant read and just make up fake quotes to build a big boy response on. I'm alright. Take care and get help. Maybe actually buy a tool and take care of it, I'm sure it would make you happy.
Imagine playing pretend on a thread about shovels.
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>>2276771
Depends on what you’re using it for
>backpacking
Plastic or aluminum trowel purchased second hand for 1usd or just cut a digging stick.
>car camping
E tool that fold to a 90 if there’s any chance of snow (for getting your rig unhighcentered), or a D handle half shovel. Go for the D handle if you want somewhere to put your tp.
>Canoe camping
A “foresters" or "planting" half shovel, d handled. These work the most like an extra paddle in a pinch.

>An alternative
A wooden handled garden hoe. When I did trail maintenance this became a quick favorite after seeing some of the senior guys gravitate toward them. Shovels are great if you need to do something with the dirt, ie fill sandbags for a trench or plop it in a wheelbarrow. If you just need to move it aside to flatten a trail, dig a drain way, or a 10" cat hole, a hoe works slick. Easy to hike with, can do delicate work or chop surface roots. Extends your vertical reach to like 12', enough to pull down widowmakers or fruit. I often day hike with one to chop out invasives and bury dog dirt.
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>>2276771
Unless you really gonna dig a trench, I'd like recommend a taiga. It's a machete/axe/shove all in one. Less bulky, less weight, do the job well enough. You don't need to get the original russian one, there is plenty of alternatives with fancy designs.
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>>2276771
i just use a romanian army shovel that i got from some wog for $5 at the market. burys my poos, makes okay trenches (the small 5cm deep ones for rain), and would be pretty gnarly if someone got bashed over the head with it, i sharpened the sides as well. i tried making one of those dakota fire holes (pic rel) and completely collapsed the tunnel, good shovel tho.
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>>2276771
these are fucking shit, broke one on the first try. granted i was digging a hole in the woods but still. they are shit.
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>>2276944
Cold steel spetsnaz replica e-tool is excellent. I can chop down small trees with that mofo.
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>>2289253
Show 100 year old tools or no further talk.
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>>2289257
>You owe me photographic proof that tool maintenance works reeeeee
>I don't know the difference between an E-tool and a shovel or that aluminum is lighter than titanium but but but oiling tools, fuck that.
We both know you are insincere rusty shovel boy. I could show you great grand daddy's 3030 or Grannie's Secuiteurs but you aren't worth the effort and we both know you'd just make up another story about your amazing shovel.
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I bought a coldsteel SF shovel as a defense 'weapon' here in australia since legally is dodges quite a few of the laws regarding self-defence since it's a shovel.
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>>2290966
oi mate u got a loicense for that shovel?
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>>2290966
Based. I keep mine by the gate
for ready use for gardening in the front yard if I need.
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I love my hand shovel.
Transplanted some small trees with it yesterday.
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>>2282098
>Seems like it would offer better rigidity than a garden trowel
Looks the exact opposite, that handle looks flimsy and seems like more trouble than its worth. Just use a garden trowel, you don't need to take a tacticool shit.
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>>2297470
You do realize this is a self professed larp thread right?
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>>2298153
Not, this is for e-tools, which are cool and fun and useful. Post your's of go away like this guy >>2287768

New tool boys, pic related
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>>2288751
Truth.
I was shocked at how effective it was.
Cleared a small grove with it.
Yeah, it was like two years of growth in a yard, but it was more than a lawn mower would deal with.
That little shovel made short work of all of it including the saplings.
>>2290966
The other reason I got the shovel was as possible defense.
I live in a city and the cops here frown on self defense.
If I use a shovel I imagine they'd be less likely to give me shit for having a """weapon."""
They'll just think I'm just some crazy boomer (GenX, though that means less and less these days).

Great shovel and the best thirty bucks I spent on a cheap tool.
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>>2280256
I should get mine blessed.
Good call.
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>>2298573
>rusty shovel bitch gets utterly destroyed
>posts cope, still fails
>still doesn't post an etool
That's a case, not an etool. I'm embarrassed for you lady.
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>>2299413
thats a perversion of christs message. shame on them
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>>2298698
Ye, it's good for hacking through thick roots too when you are digging. Something you can't do with a trowel and is just annoying to do with a full shovel. I was removing a stump last week, used the full shovel for most but this russian shovel for the roots
@2299426
>regularly returns to thread desperate for (Yous)
>bitches
>still havent posted a single tool
>in a thread about tools
What a sad life you must have. It's the only one you get and this is how you waste it?
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>>2299463
Luke 22:36
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>>2299708
>Luke 22:36
Based
for he who gives up his sword for a ho tends the fields of he who did not
but a man who has an e-tool is both a provider and a protector
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>brag about rusty shovels
>get humiliated and outed as a hypocrite
>continue to cry about it
Free rent
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>>2299463
Oy vey!
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@2299736
>unused generic tri-fold
>not even posted outside
Did you really order that on amazon because of this thread ? Guess you should keep it oiled since it hasnt touched dirt and remains inside a nice room
>rent free
Indeed
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>>2299463
It's okay to take a hit, though I'm not convinced Jesus Christ wants you to let your family get raped and murdered.
Protecting the innocent is perfectly acceptable in the eyes of God.
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>still crying about getting btfod
>projection
>actually owns two meme shovels but more likely borrowed someone's or bought one for this thread
>promised not to respond (another lie) but desperate for attention
Looool
You're unbelievably pathetic
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>>2282098
I honestly just have this in my kit for a basic shit trowel.
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@2300352
said I wouldnt reply unless you posted an e-tool
which you did
problem is; is very new and unused
and thats funny
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>>2300641
That's actually quite clever
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>>2282098
It will fold and cut your fingers when stabbing into hard ground. It's actually a few grams heavier than a solid garden trowel. On the plus side it's more compact but I ended up switching to pic related and using the pouch from the folding one to cover the blade.
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>>2301287
Step 3.5 - it tilts to the side and you get shit all over the handle
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>>2301362
>hes never done it
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>>2301359
is the touch really safe ?
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>>2300641
why not just find a old tree?
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>>2300641
>americans cant squat so they sit on their folding shovel with one asscheek
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>>2301778
>NATO shovel
>americans
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>>2301778
>t. Street shitter
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>>2277057
DO NOT get a plastic trowel like that. When i was a gardener, my boss (who had no experience gardening) gave every employee one of those Fiskars trowels to always carry around. They simply don't go into tough soil. The smallest roots stop them, and if you awkwardly try to push down with your boot, the damn thing breaks.
They are completely useless for anything except putting holes in loose potting soil
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>>2276771
the cold steel speznaz one is by far lighter than the foldable 3 piece one.
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>>2278228
>is this the hole?
>yes
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>>2303217
Yes.
It was a very fine hole, too.
Removed a stump, figured why not and kept digging a little meme foxhole.
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>>2276771
They’re good
>but muh poop holes
Niggers here act like Indians when they go into the woods
Look at these replies they’re literal poo on the ground niggers
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>>2298698
>>2288751
One of my favorite pieces of gear especially as a forager. Fantastic for cracking wild coconuts when I was down in Florida.
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>>2276771 cool and useful for dakota fire, building small thing and make poop hole, the only thinh with what you need to be careful is not to buy the famous "2531 in 1!" that like swiss knife you use mainly one option and in really rare situation or never the others
The second important thing if you want to make real hole is not to get some hard folding shit with really short handle this will break your fucking back
Mine is a old french surplus, work pretty well for 3 years now
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>>2303217
Based meme knower
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>>2301287
Until you or the shovel slips and you fall in your shit pit.
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E-tool, yes !
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e-tool thread is higher priority than flavor of the week topics
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how bad of an idea is it to strip the paint of my e-tool so that i can use it as a skillet.
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>>2309312
Make sure to clean and wax/grease regularly to prevent rust, I've always thought about perhaps casting a bronze head for my e-tool for this purpose
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>>2309312
Considering how cheap skillets can be had now, it is more trouble than worth. You have to make sure to keep it very clean like >>2309532 says
but then if you do have to use it as a shovel, dirt will stick to your grease, so you'll have to basically clean it off and re-coat it. Each time
Probably worth paying for a dedicated pan instead, because you wont have to play balance the egg yolk while youre cooking or worry about any dirt viruses
E-tools are best kept with a light coating of dirt on them. Keeps them warm and insulated and acts as a patina against rust
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>>2309312
I personally like the idea of someone running around the woods, burying his shit with his kitchen ware.
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>>2309926
>oh no viruses.
if only there where a way to prepare food and kill viruses using only fire.
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Fiskars has a really damn good shovel. If it's good enough for the Finnish Defense Forces, it's good enough for anyone
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>>2309947
enjoy your tetanus because you want to look rugged
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>>2309959
>>2309949
is this meme or are you guys just retarded
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>>2309960
Elaborate.
>no you cant just have a light and cheap tray to cook in
>you need to balance your food on a small shovel
>with a raised center
>keeping it clean before and after
>much simpler
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>>2309961
using a thing i already have with me as a pan the %10 of the time I need a pan vs bringing and entire extra piece of gear i will only use 10% of the time
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>>2309966
Show your shovel, let's see if it's pan-serviceable.
and are you not also using the shovel only 10% of the time, as well ?
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>>2309967
i like using fire pits for cooking so I started carrying and etool. just bought the one on the right cause one in the left is too heavy and i only paid $5 for it anyway. i think both could cook an egg pretty well.
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>>2309971
You think the cold steel shovel is too heavy ?
How is the larger one lighter ?
You're saying you wouldn't strip off the paint before putting it directly over a fire ?
You wouldnt wash off the shovel on the right before cracking an egg on it ?
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>>2309973
oops image got flipped
yes i would strip the paint first
of course i would clean it, why wouldn't I?
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>>2309975
ah okay much more sense
but that was my point
you have to clean it before you cook, and then again after you cook
same with after you use it for any digging activity
so why not just have a very light pan you can cook with without any time spent preparing it

also when you strip paint you need to coat it with something to prevent rust- because you dont want rust in your meal. I've stripped the paint off that cold steel shovel and put a new paint on it. It's a nice shovel for digging partly because it has higher carbon- which also means it needs a coat of something or it will rust by moisture exposure
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>>2309977
i would have to clean a pan before use anyway. i carry steel wool to clean my pot anyway. also digging the fire pit prior to cooking on it will probably knock most of the rust off. im gonna try it, i can always paint it again if i dont like it. what paint did you use?
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>>2309982
I didnt use a paint that you should cook food on.
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E-tools are the ultimate LARP accessory. Cringe AF
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>>2309993
name one thing that is not a LARP
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>>2309993
Ah it's the 100-year old tool in theory guy.
>using tools is playing pretend
You've already been proven wrong, Begone.
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>>2309977
Season it like a carbon steel pan.
I ordered my Cold steel shovel from Amazon and it didn’t come with a sheath, it was only $20 though.
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>>2310019
i had to get the sheath sperate.
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>>2288277
oh, look, someone who knows what they are talking about. sorry you are going to be completely ignored. I appreciated your post though. Thanks anon.
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>>2309971
Wants to put steel shovel into the fire/coals because youtube shilled him meme cooking.

Enjoy dehardening your tool, retard.
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>>2311055
why would a shovel be hardened?
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so i stripped the paint, reshaped and refinished the handle. then i swelled the dandle in soapy water for a tighter fit.
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>>2311258
Could you show from a different angle? It looks new
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>>2311260
the bare metal has a layer of dark millscale on it so it does look almost identical.
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I love my German Bundeswehr E-Tool. Sometimes I even just sit there, petting it. It´s great. Almost like a cat. I just wish it came in a better condition.
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>>2311260
The best kind of compliment. But if you've owned one, you can still see the wear.
This is not a slam, You did a really good job.
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>>2311659
Do you ever keep the shovel part folded in front of your knuckle, like a smol shield? I actually just cleaned mine today
>>2311663
I do own one! I guess compared to mine is looks new.. I've hit a couple drill bits while hacking at a stump half a decade ago
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>>2288277
>hoe
At that point can’t you just carry an axe and stand 90 degrees to where you would be stood with a hoe?
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>>2288277
Based peasant
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Better late than never to get an MPL50, I guess
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only fools lack an e-tools
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I love a good hand shovel.
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>>2277096
Kill yourself nigger mutt
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If you can get your hands on an Australian Army E-tool, I'd recommend it. Just steel and wood so not ultra light weight. Sturdy though.
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Based on this thread i got myself a random mini shovel.
Based on what i've seen people recommend the cold steel one, but i didn't get that, yet.
Now for folding, do i go with the gerber e-tool or something?
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>>2317641
For folding?
>https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/danish-m-1943-style-e-tool-surplus/67645
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>>2277057
All well and good until the fucking thing breaks. Not sure about you but the places I go tend to have a lot of clay and rocks in the soil that eats trowels for lunch.
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>>2278629
>Having carried one as a reservist I'm not sure why you'd want one unless you're actually going to need to dig a fighting position

I was a "light" infantryman and we would legit carry some full sized shovels and pick axes. And usually break a couple
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>>2318579
>burnt handles
>drives a jeep
I know this is a Larp thread but bruh, don't you think you're taking it a bit too far?
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>>2309995
>everyone I don't like is the same person
Mental disorder confirmed, yet again
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>>2319208
either samefagging or you are silly and didnt read the context
post tools either way
>>2319207
burnt handles are a bit much aye, my shovel's handle is bleached from years of sun
I couldnt imagine having it close enough to a fire to give it a scorch- certainly without actually burning a part of it
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>>2309993 the post
>>2309995 the reply
>>2319236 the deserved mocking
>>2319236 (you) being retarded and lying.
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>>2319248
I think you meant >>2289253
Did you start the thread 80% of the way down, or are you dumb, or hiding your samefagging ? I notice you didnt post your e-tool so I'll assume you are >>2289253 until otherwise
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>>2319251
More you being retarded. You tourists have no idea how this site even works.
Go back to reddlt and work on that gold some more.
>I don't understand how linking works
>everyone I don't like is the same person
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>>2319299
>"I don't understand how linking works"
Because it was deleted, smartie. Perhaps it is you who should return since you dont understand such a basic concept. You reek of projecting. Why are you even here; you have contributed nothing to this thread but fruitless arguing.
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>>2309993
people who go around calling things "cringe" and "larp", hate fun, and have never touched grass.
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>>2276771
do not buy this shit (pic rel)
i bought one and it is small, flimsy, thin metal and it broke after the first use. applying any force to the end breaks the holding mechanism.
get a real milsurp one. i like the ones like this based autist >>2311659 has, they really are nice pieces of kit. I can see why he holds it affectionately.
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>>2319452
considering the military ones can be had for about 20-25$ there is little reason not to just get one instead
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>>2276771
soviet titanium
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>>2277096
don’t be a fag anon
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>>2319308
>being this new
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get the cold steel one that has a solid handle. ive tried a half dozen of the folding ones and they have all been too frail and fragile for any real world use beyond digging a 8 inch deep shit hole.
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>>2320290
I have and love cold steel shovel, but I am waiting on two foldy shovels I ordered. I love digging C:
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>>2276771
>Any suggestions/tips
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGdbbEZVHqw
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>>2322368
Brittney Venti
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Shove
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>>2277321
I like you smallshovelanon
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>>2283172
The only thing I'm gonna breed is your bumbum
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>>2324440
You'll catch something.
Notice he still hasn't posted the tools.
Guess they rusted away.
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>>2309961
>>you need to balance your food on a small shovel
>>with a raised center
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>>2319449
It's funny that the people most obsessed about image and looking like a dick in public are the ones who go outside and interact with others the least
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>>2319582
Shut the fuck up
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>>2324474
>being this new
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>>2299744
>had to replace the fold bolt and file the shovel edge to take this picture

Ahhahhahahhahahahhaahhahahah.
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>>2324780
the raised center is on the "top"
unless you mean to rotate the shovel so it all just falls off ?
>>2324993
>>2324998
stop samefagging and just post it all in one post
>a non-answer, still
>and a false assumption
You think that was freshly sharpened ?
False.
Post your 'old farm tools' already or be gone.
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>>2325363
Ahahhahahahahhshahahhahaha. You're so amazingly stupid it's palpable.
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>>2325363
Also, newfag, this isn't samefagging. Keep being retarded though.
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>>2325662
>>2325667
>does the same thing
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2325736
>being this new
Your level of stupidity is truly amazing.
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>>2325892
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>>2317638
Based. It really is perfect with the pickaxe and sturdiness, just a bit heavy, but the pickaxe functionality makes it really worth it.
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>>2326053
this picture makes me think of a modern aussie group invading new mexico but war hasnt changed since trench warfare
is this the AUS port of half life ?
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>>2325894
>Being this new
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>>2276771
i take it these are mainly used for pooper related activities on trails hence their popularity, unless someone is digging trenches
during winter i carry a snow shovel if i have warm tent with me and if there is half a meter of snow on the ice so i have to do some dinning
summertime pooping is just removing some moss and placing it back on top of my shit
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got me new shovels today
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>>2327473
they are good
will post when able
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>>2309947
Enjoy food full of sand and grit
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He did fly so good!
Neat!
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>>2283497
>what is rust
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the ground is no longer iced over
friends - get to shoveling
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Rain, rain, go away
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>>2332579
make a creek another day
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=RoRXhQRcolY
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>>2327473
the longer foldy is interesting; better for standing up garden work
the shorter may replace the cold steel for hole time
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Progress
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>>2301362
Squatting is a thing you know.
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Dug in the snow and ice and rain this evening. Got good reception of the county classic country station. Was very comfy.
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>>2337585
interesting use of the thigh strap
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>>2337656
collapsible like single fold or double fold ?
see >>2299744 for double fold
you can get a fixed replacement for the cold steel for not that much
even a russian-made one with markings and a sheath for I think 40$ including shipping
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>>2279011
he ded
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You could use a trowel if you want to just make small holes. I've seen people try to sell hugely marked up garden trowels as "camping shovels" and other such nonsense before. They are small and light one handed tools so keep that in mind, but they do work well if you just want to dig for bugs, make a firepit or bury poop.
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>>2339604
Same thing happened to a lot of good sellers offering some good outdoors outfits and gear, sadly. It's been screwing over the prepper types too as niche stuff was supplied from there.
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>>2276771
Got tired of E-tools failing and finally got a fixed shovel. I think it's a cold steel spetznaz shovel but the design is exactly what the Germans used around WW2.
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>>2339604
Probably in federal prison for being a good person.
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>>2339771
Has it changed your life?
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>>2339774
Russia hater. What did they ever do to you?
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I dug, I died, I dig no more
The logs will be gone soon
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>>2340201
use the logs to fortify the position
is what I did here >>2278228
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>grizzly kydex sheath for cold steel shovel costs more than the shovel itself
The one it comes with is shit and I want something molle compatible in ranger green, any suggestions? I heard collapsible/folding ones suck compared to fixed ones, I almost bought a chink multitool shovel but figured I'd stick to the basics
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>>2340608
>The one it comes with is shit
It holds it on a strap or belt, and protects the edge
>I need to airsoft larp
then get a side plate pouch in green and cut a hole in the bottom. There you go.
>collapse suck compared to fixed
certainly less stable, like a knife versus a folder- but it does take up less space when you arent using it
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>>2340309
They are already sold. They wont get any direct spall or ricochets now, so Im not too worried about it, but I may dig down a little deeper if they dont pick them up when the road gets passable
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>>2340953
just have fun, man
that's what e-tools are for
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>>2326059
>this picture makes me think of a modern aussie group invading new mexico but war hasnt changed since trench warfare

Soldiers will dig a fair while yet, maybe they'll dig for 3 days in between patrolling and build bunkers with overhead protection in defense, maybe they'll dig some shell scrape each night on the move, it's not trench warfare but a simple matter of protection
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>>2343003
I meant the methods of fighting havent changed while the equipment has
also- related- since that post, I got an auscam boonie hat (:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puUvD6VvFno
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>>2339604
>2030
i'll wait
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>>2343003
Mostly they fill sandbags these days. Anything bigger is contractors or core of engineers..with contractors.
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>>2342955
The real fun will be blasting all of my steels away with my ak shotgun
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>>2346054
sounds lame
doubt you have one, either
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>>2346064
What a strange thing to post
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>>2346139
agreed, >>2346054 was oddly unspecific
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>>2346167
Ok, well I will enjoy my new shooting range I dug out of a hillside in my back 40 and you all keep being weird and sad on the internet
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>>2346207
you don't even know what your distinctly-named weapon is called
post your set up with a timestamp or I'll be justified
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sometimes I dig a hole too
in my bum
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>>2346560
Thats not healthy anon. The poop will come out when its ready you dont need to dig.
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>>2309953
We use the same ones in Norwegian army, they are "ok", no more.
I prefer the older type, with the straight handle, they are more versatile.
Most e-tools annoy me with that slop that you never get completely rid of.
I'd much rather just carry a small shovel if I know I'll have to do any digging.
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>>2309959
>>2309960
>>2309961
Don't cook in your shovel, that's a recipe for prion disease.
Normal cooking heat isn't guaranteed to kill all prions, and they can be found in soil.
You need a core temp over 70-something Celsius for some time to be safe, just cook your shit on a stick or carry a dedicated pot or pan of some sort for cooking.
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>>2346232
>Getting this worked up over a $300 chink saiga clone trashblaster
Pls go outside
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>>2346747
oh it's a clone, gross
atleast you learned what the name was
even if it took you almost a full day
>>2346682
same, the wiggle in folding shovels gives less 'can I strike down with this' confidence versus a solid shovel
>>2346683
I was the last post you quoted, and I was saying how it's a dumb idea to cook on a shovel since cheap but good enough material cook sets exist
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>>2276771
you can't use that the military use that so its stolen valor and a LARP cant use it people will think youre a terrorist do you want people to think youre a terrorist incel on the trail you deviant freak maybe you should take a construction shovel with you or just dig with your hands like a normal person huh huh HUH?? yeah thats right i bet you didnt think of that you nazi chudcel you probably don't even wear blaze orange and bright green clothes while youre hiking you fucking mass murdering maniac if i ever see you im going to punch you in the face and if you try to do anything im gonna call the cops on you fat loser
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>>2346899
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>>2346899
>s stol
My brother in christ, go outside and try it on people who can do a single pull up, which is twice that of what you can do.

Your english is in need of tuning but keep it up by the way.
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>>2346899
sounds about right.
I hate both modern society and the antichrist.
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>>2347384
WE hate the anti christ. Bless you brother.
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>>2298573
those bundes e tools suck. I've got one and it's much too fuckin heavy to really be of use for anything but car camping
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>>2319308
>fruitless arguing
where do you think you are
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>>2348228
Aye, I prefer a solid shovel first and a single fold second. Tri seems to be when you don't need it 99% of the time and you want it to take up little space.
>>2348232
Excuse me, this is a high-quality imageboard. Yotsuba is very good.
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I am sad that those titanium e-tools became unobtanium now after the Russians started their war in Ukraine. Would have been a great thing to carry on my autism expeditions in my mothers backyard.
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>>2348383
>"I believe propaganda"
You should be saying it's a shame that the free market aint really that free and you are sad the globalists decide for you what is okay to buy whenever they want
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>>2348509
Well, I am Finnish and I am rooting for Ukraine all the way because finland might as well be next target. Russia has a history of invading us. But yes, I am sad that the end result is that I can't get my titanium e-tool.
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>>2348563
>because finland might as well be next target
you must be a very weak finn, then
if anything the first week showed that russia can't invade- and you guys should have counter-invaded to retake your eastern lands. you probably would have gotten international support. but you didn't. what a shame
the point of that pic was that it isn't russia saying they won't sell, but [[[them]]] telling us they won't act as the middle man they are supposed to be
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>>2348610
>you must be a very weak finn, then
I have a war time duty as an infantry squad leader and I am willing to take arms if my country needs me to do so, I am physically and skillwise both ready and able to fullfill my war time duties. But why is valuing peace considered as a bad thing?
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>>2348689
anyone who uses (((them))) is a windmill brain anon, cant be helped
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>>2348936
>fixates on trivial parts of a sentence, not the point
a useless non-thinker
>>2348689
>ohi on
is part of valuing peace passively allowing war ?
a greater duty of peace is to pro-actively prevent harm, not only respond
never said why didnt you guys imitate an invasion; I said you could have responded to an actual invasion with retaking back land stolen
a key part is: land stolen
or do the captured people there not deserve the peace
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>>2346873
Touch dirt today; you need it.
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>>2350367
You okay? You were nicer to me here >>2340953
Did something happen since? Don't deflect onto me
learn what your tools are called
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just don't use anything foldable because it WILL break.
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>>2350587
>only folders break
anything will break, period. anything low quality will break faster
it's a matter of using a tool properly and not abusing it for memes. preventative cleaning to reduce rust and therefore deterioration
I prefer my fixed shovel, but a folder is good for digging holes. I wouldn't want to use it as an ax the same as the fixed shovel
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Hungarian folding shovel back in stock. Get your TF2 soldier larp while you can
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I've very much appreciated how this thread has developed over the four months.
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>digs holes and tenches
>has a pick
>can be used as a hoe
>can be used as a chair
>can be used as a toilet seat
>can be used as an axe
>can be used as a saw
>can be used as a weapon
>folds up neatly and hangs outside your pack for quick access

E-tool is arguably the most OP piece of /out/ gear.
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>>2340608
>>2318579
>>2339599
What are the head dimensions of both models?
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Anyone have any suggestions for how to repair / reinfoce an E-tool holster in these spots? Pic related is not mine-- mine is not this worn out, athough it is starting to wear and fray in the same spots as this pic, which seems to be pretty common for these pouches.

My first thought was using some 2-part epoxy adhesive to seal up the fraying spots but I don't really know. My other best guess is to patch the spots up with some leather but that would really come down to how good my stitching is, and I'm not a tailor.
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>>2359750
as those are the three spots on the pouch the edge wears, smart pouches have reinforcements there
just spend half an hour sewing a few patches of thick fabric repurposed from something else onto those spots
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>>2303440
>It was a very fine hole, too.
Based hole enjoyer
I'm 31 and still feel the urge to just dig holes from time to time, just like when i was 7.
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>>2359840
I am that post, and when I was about 7 I was digging holes probably inspired by Holes that was in theaters at the time (and the book, yes I read)
fill it up with water and you get a thin mud bath
I miss being young and happy
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>>2359828
Hmm, that makes sense. I guess the fraying is because the outside of the pouch is being stressed by the contents, which makes it more vulnerable to scuffs and tears in those spots. A yard of 6.5 oz OCP costs about $10 shipped from eBay so I think I'll go that route and have a go at patching it.
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>>2359845
if you want to be /k/oncealed..
I'd just reinforce it with a fabric you have on hand, preferably a solid color so it doesn't look silly with non-matching pattern
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>>2359850
I've got the pouch strapped to my bakcpack's webbing and my backpack is also OCP, so I'd prefer to keep it looking as close to stock as I can.
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>>2359844
>inspired by Holes that was in theaters
wtf they made a movie out of that? it was okay as a kids book, but i can't think of this as movie material.
>I miss being young and happy
same
not a doomer, just missing the carelessness of being a kid in the mid 90s
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>>2359861
even with the paranoia and patr*ot act laws of the early 2000s, we still had good american culture
and yeah the movie had little baby shia lebeouf
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>>2359861
The movie is kidkino. Well worth a watch, especially with the family.
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>>2358266
I see the fact that CS has no sheath for the larger model as a bad sign.
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>>2361434
I don't.
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>>2311659
Sometimes I take my USGI E-tool out of its pouch and just swing it around indoors for no reason other than because I love how the thing feels in my hand. I was so happy when I finally got one, I even bought a scrubbing brush that I keep in my bag just so I can keep it clean when I use it. I love that thing so much I wash it with soap and water every time I use it.
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>>2363662
Very wholesome. I just got a pouch for my foldy boy today !
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>>2361434
Learn to sew fag.
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>>2276771
I see shovels like this all the time on ebay, are the Romanian ones any good?
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>>2365513
See >>2335571
the lock-up is certainly strong
if you're lucky, you get one like mine that you can un-nut and take apart instead of a rivet that you have to cut
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