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Isn't that a 600 dollar pack when you can easily find dozens of same-size packs from other less fancy brands for 100-200 dollars that work just fine?It is literally just branding and larp-factor.Also this is yet another out thread that's actually just discussing gear or something else unrelated and not talking about where you hiked recently or pictures of it.
Karrimore 60-100 with the rocket packs optional Ospray Atmos AG 50LOld beat idonno 30L Northface bigshotAnd a Haglof Combi for fishing
>>2248617>Isn't that a 600 dollar packIf I'm not mistaken, that's the M, which is ~200€.>dozens of same-size packs from other less fancy brands for 100-200 dollars that work just fineAnd then dozens of no brand packs that would do the job for less than $100.
>>2248617nah you're probably thinking of the much larger XL with external frame for that price, the L is about $350if you're just hiking on trails and don't need high durability you can probably find $50 aliexpress packs that will do the job perfectly fine, but I got tired of fixing or replacing mine so often and got the savotta to have something that I just don't have to worry about breaking or tearing anything no matter how much dumb shit I do with itvery comfortable, very good construction, has all the features I like, problems aren't
Sup. Sippers suck returvn to tradition
>>2248615my kids are giving me a new ruck for christmas. it's just sitting there out in my garage. all alone. calling out to me. it wants to be taken /out/ innawoods. but I can't until after christmas because it's technically not mine yet. shit sucks like you wouldn't believe bros.
>>2248639That's the L
>>2248617Well, no. That is Jääkäri M, and savottas quality and materials are really unmatched. Its made with same materials as is our military backpacks and LBV's. Savotta has posted videos where they lauch this backpack from trebuchet, hang it in by single molle loop (pick very much relevant) and it wont shine in NODS, as other backpacks wouls (if that is important to you.)And the price is like 200 euroes.
I have a Wisport Racoon, I like it
>>2248775Luv me wisport, simple as.
>>2248800Based wisport bro
>>2248634I’ve got the atmos 65l in the same color. I feel bad for people who have never experienced an AG frame.
>>2248680You are correct.The fucking things all look the same to me.
>>2248615I'm thinking about getting this pack. How do you like it?
>>2249176I love it personally, although it doesn't get as much use as my S that I throw around everywhere daily+If you want durability it's just about the best you can get, you're gonna have a hard time fucking anything up unless you go at it with trauma shears.+Can expand or compress it down over a very wide range of volume, even if it's mostly empty you can still tighten everything down so that nothing is flopping around loose+Decently waterproof, some water will get in through stitching if you don't have it covered but the cloth itself has a nice waterproof lining on the inside+Fits me very comfortably even though I'm 6'4 after a while figuring out all the adjustments. I've heard the M is a bit short if you're tall, but the L seems fine+Lots of room on the straps for attaching all kind of shit to the sides if you have stuff you want to carry externally=Very simple internal organization, you'll have to organize your shit without babysitting but also have no space/weight wasted on dividers and pockets and shit that always end up being the wrong size for the things you are packing. The main compartment has a drawstring divider to the bottom portion with the zipper, there's a thin pouch for the frame that you can stuff a bladder in, and there's a zippered pocket on the inside of the top but that's all the compartments you get.=No bottle holders on the side like the XL has, but I just use a bladder anyway and you get more space for attaching stuff to webbing-Adjusting all the straps to tighten things down and tidying everything up when you need to expand or contract it takes a fair amount of time, but at least everything stays tidy once you have it set up unlike packs with elastic drawstring type compression.Most of that applies to all the savotta packs, pretty much #1 way to go if you want something simple and durable as possible, but there's probably better options if you want something super lightweight or with more tactical high speed low drag features.
>>2249246I was looking for something that I could make a day bag or an emergency bag out of. Something versatile and all that. I've heard great things about this bag and everyone I've seen make reviews on it basically said the same thing you said.
>>2248813Really annoying that it squeaks with every step if you even slightly overload it, and I never liked the side pocket design, other then that great pack
>>22486171. its not a 600 dollar mystery ranch bullshit pricetag.2. Buy once Cry once. Within reason buy a shitty aliexpress pack and its gonna burn out in 5 trips. Good enough for normies, but quality is a quantity on its own if its going to last several years. .
What would be a good outdoor backpack that can carry my iPad 12.9 pro without bending it?I will mostly drive with my car to location and grab my bag for 3-8 hours then go back to the car. 18-29 liters Thanks
Packed for a few days canoing in Sweden
>>2249329This shit always looks too wide.
>>2249388So does your momLmao goteem
amyone have a recommendation on a backpack that looks a bit discrete?Like doesnt look like i'm in the army or some instagram tier backpacker. I want to use it for a 2 day backpacking trip in the desert here next weekend. its gotta haul some sort of at least 2in sleeping pad, 2p tent minus the rain cover, then just some kinda blanket and pillow i plan to vacuum pack. Optionally a folding hard foam pad because of all the rocks.
>>2249393Jansport and rope.
>>2249388Too wide for what? I didn't come across any narrow doorways lately in the woods.Better centre of gravity, easier time ducking under branches desu>>2249387Looking comfy man
>>2249397I guess you don't ski or anything that involves moving your arms around. I don't have a tall pack, but I certainly prefer a narrow one. I also don't stick to a wide trail in warmer months so having something compact is best. To each their own I guess.
>>2249405I move my arms around a lot. I'm actually completely off trail 80% of the time, the pack never gets in the way
>>2249395whats the rope for? :3
>>2249412Maybe you're just wide. I couldn't see that Sabre thing working well with XC skiing at all, or narrow paths. Much prefer the Savotta and Scandi packs with a focus on vertical. My height and weight is long and lean, not wide, so that helps.
>>2249414Camp games. Obviously.
>>2249443i only camp by myself though
>>2249445solitaire: see how many monkey fist knots you can tie in 50 feet of rope, then tie one end of the string to a tree. Feed them all up your ass one by one, and then just take off running in a direction.
>MOLLE>thin shoulder straps>"superior design and quality" >it's just 1000 denier corduraYeah, savotta is a meme.
>>2249477so post your bag, fats!
>>2249429Yeah nah I'm not wide either but who would have guessed it the pack has no issues. Hell I even wear that shit fully loaded and hop on the train without it being too much of a pain in the ass. It's really just not that wideOf course the side pockets are removable but, I can't figure out how the zips work so I'm buying a savotta™ right now
>>2249329>carabiner on the outside of your packLarper.
>>2249525Larping as what. Someone who uses carabiners?
Hill People Gear make the best packs that I've tried. No nonsense, just a lot of good functional ideas. Cool modular designs in a lot of cases.
https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/italian-mountain-trooper-pack-with-external-frame-surplus/6890060 dollar external frame backpacks just came in today on VarustelekaI got one (not associated) external frames are cool but pricy otherwise
>>2248615Helikon-Tex Raccoon Mk2 The North Face Terra 50Ferrino Transalp 100
>>2248615best 60-70L bag?
>>2248617Never post again, anon.
>>2249329>twigs stuck on the velcroi feel this
>>2248710if you knew anything about sewing you would understand that savotta's quality isn't "unmatched" by any measureand plenty of other manufacturers use cordura fabrics
>>2249751Every fucking timeCamouflage I suppose
>>2249822post your bag, fats.
>>2249366put your ipad in a pelican case then any backpack will carry it without bending
>>2248932Based JNA pack appreciator
>>2249822>this retard thinks all cordura is same
Good beginner's pack? Will be doing comfy day hikes and the occasional overnight in the PNW.
>>2250007anything at a thrift store that can hold what you want and feels comfy
>>2250001>zippersoh no no no no no no
Nice bladder system
>>2249259mads you're the only namefag I can tolerateAnons any systems like pic rel that doesn't break the bank? I feel like this could be emulated with an external frame but they're basically unobtainium in aus.
>>2249397not anon but I always come across patches of smaller, denser trees where some gaps are a little narrow to trail through
>>2248615Varusteleka sells god tier shit, I'm jealousof your sack desumy last bag started ripping where the compression straps meet the bag itself so I'm getting rid of it, I'm glad it didn't rip apart while in the backcountryI got this old Kelty Yukon from my dad and never fucked around with it. after loading it up and putting it on the realization is hitting hard.gonna do a lil two day trip out somewhere to do some testing.When I go apeshit on an bag, I'm going to buy a hill people gear qui-ya. That bag made me lose NNN
>>2250147what on earth is the point of such a silly system.
>>2250270I got 3 name brand backpacks for the price of one of your gay hyperlites.
>>2250270UL on backpacks is retarded, you save 1kg tops in cost of weight carrying a lot worse, uncomfortable and backpack tearing when bush comes into sight.
>>2250270>Spends 200 bucks on a glorified tote bagAnon...
>>2250401>>2250424>>2250436Seethe and cope more
>>2250270gram weenies were a mistake
>>2250193looks like an external frame with an attachment area designed to suspend an ass bag under whatever you want to throw in the frame. In this case a dry bag. Is that dry bag even a part of the rest of the thing?
>>2250424yet thru hikers manage just fine for years with them while you never go anywhere?
>>2250446Lmao you copin ya cumskin by carrying your shit in glorified potato sack while i dont even feel the same weight +1kg that comes from my osprey kestrel. Oh did I mention my back stays dry too?
You could try to find an eBay seller willing to ship a surplus Molle frame to you. Even domestically they cost as much or more for shipping as they do for the purchase price. Or you could try purchasing directly from the manufacturer, but that's not exactly cheap.https://downeastinnovation.com/product/dei-1603-molle-large-frame/Either buy the shoulder straps and belt at the same time, or jury rig whatever you have, it's pretty versatile. Then it's just a matter of sewing a piece of canvas between two web straps, and attaching that assembly to the frame with four side release buckles (2 top, 2 bottom). Or you could use tri glides on the bottom.
>>2250193hauling large game out of the bush without an atv or pack horse
I've got a 50 L Gregory for week long trips/glamping but want something in the 30-35 L range for over nights/weekends/fairweather trips. Something very abrasion resistant and that I can strap a trash bag/jacket/shed antler to. Weight is not an issue, top of my budget is 200 burgerbux.>>2249528What do you store in the fire shelter bag when not on a fire? Pussy juice?
>>2250482Thats the thing, they dont usually UL backpack lasts 1 thruhike, similiar with many other UL items.
Assembled earlier today. I tied a czech m85 backpack to a molle frame with paracord. Whole thing cost maybe $50. Taking it /out/ this weekend with the cub scouts.
>>2250147Check Crossfire, they sell external frames although they aren't poorfag cheap. Bizarrely the price difference between the frame and the frame plus pack is basically marginal.
>>2249959All cordura is literally the same. Cordura is the name of the firm. Different denier doesn't mean it's different material.
>>2249822It's the smaller details like stitching that matter with these things. Anyone can order a roll of fabric and claim to use quality materials, but know how to put them together well is the difference.
>>2249740Osprey kestrel 58L. Best pack ever made imo
>>2248932>>2248932Kino af. More pics?
Enough of the meme molle packs, anybody got a good alpine climbing pack? preferably below 50l. i've been using a mystery ranch scree for a bit but id like a pack with alpine features in mind. id get the gallatin but its geared towards skiing more so than alpine climbing or general mountaineering
>>2251298Probs an osprey pack or comparable modern internal frame pack
>>2251298Already mentioned some weeks ago. Spanish Alpine troops light backpack. Around 40-45 liters. There are some variants. The first (and most mass produced) iteration does not use molle, still has some webbing for strap stuff and some pouches.Of course, Woodland cammo so perhaps not everybody's cup of tea.
Imagine thinking anything “military” is built for backpacking. That shit is built for literal retards who are expendable (like much of 4chan). The brass doesn’t give it a shit if it’s 4lbs heavier than anything else on the market, because a grunt is carrying it, and if their knees blow out, then they’ll just pass it on to the next moron.
just copped an Osprey Atmos for $200 as my first backpack, is it a decent starter? I thought it might be overkill but after using friends' other backpacks through the Rockies I have come to appreciate a quality pack. Mainly going to use it in west TX and the Appalachians, still looking for a decent pack for the gf
>>2251386Imagine needing gear that's "built for backpacking" to go backpacking.
>>2251393For an overnight backpack, it’s one of the most comfortable on the market assuming it’s sized correctly. $200 seems like a decent deal. It’s definitely not the lightest and it has a few useless pockets on the outside of it, but the AG suspension on it makes up for the extra weight. A bit much if you’re going to be using it as a daypack though.
>starter $200 BP>will never use it
I can't believe I fell for the Savotta meme twiceWho thought a 6lb EMPTY backpack was a good idea?
>>2251386Imagine being a retard who can't differentiate between surplus and high tier military stuff made by private companies.
>>2251254did you even read my post?savotta does not put things together particularly well. they have lots of crooked stitches but they don't really show or matter since their designs are so simple
>>2251175not exactly, there are different versions of cordura. but yeah, 95% of cordura on the market is basically the same
>>2251429Most if not all Western surplus was made by private companies. Certainly all US surplus.
>>2251417>he doesn't carry 8l of water just to make pack heavier for getting swolengmi
>>2251417fool me once, shame on youfool me twice, shame on a nigga who try to run game on a nigga
>>2248634Nice canoe. Model?
>>2251135Crossfire packs are great, I have the DG3 and the stitching and fabric are top notch. The frame sits nicely over plates too.
>>2251386Thing is that stuff built to military spec is usually tough enough to survive the abuse that the grunts are going to put it through. Yeah, the UL packs wouldnt survive a day with the average 200lb gorilla infantryman.
>>2251635>Thing is that stuff built to military spec is usually tough enough to survive the abuse that the grunts are going to put it through.Built for military spec means it's the cheapest option to produce in bulk for bunch of cannon fodders.
>>2251796If that were even remotely true, the standard issue pack wouldn't even come with a hip belt since the first thing they tell you in basic is "don't bother with the belt it only gets in your way."
Thoughts on osprey exos? Looks super comfy and pretty durable for something so light.
>>2251298>I'm a faggot who can't actually read the thread firstlook around for my post if you care
Went out a few weekends ago with some buddies, maybe a 6 mile hike
Tried to order a Mchale pack but he is a boomer faggot who will ghost you if you have a single disagreement or say something he doesn't like. Do not ever buy a pack from this faggot despite it prob having one of better load carrying systems. Get HTG or even Mystery Ranch for heavy loads instead of putting money in pocket of another boomer narcissist like Dan Mchale who thinks they are god's gift to humanity.
Any recommendations for a good 60L pack?
>>2252225any requirements other than size? Budget?Mission? Form Factor?Theres lots of packs out there.
you WILL love your savottas!t. luv me savottas
>>2252245I just do a lot of general backpacking and mountaineering in the Sierra Nevada range. I've been using a vintage Kelty for years but it's time to retire it. Looking for maybe an alpine pack or some other internal frame.
>>2252298Just get another vintage Keltypersonally I tried internal frame for a while and went back to external
>>2252292I have the S and I honestly like it. You seem to have the S and the L? Hows that big brother treating you?
>>2252298Get a mystery ranch
My canvas alpini just works, (besides the fucking annoying buckles) but never have failed me, kinda tempted to buy a second to mod the fuck out of i.e add more modern buckles and better straps
>>2248615I have an osprey kestrel 38 bag, is that good for going innawoods and staying innawoods to avoid the collapse? Is it durable? All the plastic and zippers worry me about the durability.
I have pick related, love the pack but I’d like to add a few more liters of capacity to it. It’s got laser cut molle panels on the side, so if you fine woods anons have recommendations for some vertical pouches to add say 5 liters per side I’d be greatly appreciative. Bonus points if they are ranger green or woodland camo, extra bonus if they are 500D+ cordura .
>>2251345>Nooooooo you can't suggest a backpack that has proven to be functional and reliable for risky activities like climbing because it is used by soldiers!!!!Civilian backpacks are nice, but sometimes milsurp does the same job at cheaper prices and better material.
>>2252676I'm not him but I've posted before that I have the S, M, L and 339. Feel free to ask anything. Frankly if you have the S and L you are probably good to go. The M is decent, but I only find it useful for minimal overnights or winter long day hikes.
>>2253166Also, Did Savotta had a diagram/ad that suggest bringing the S model rolled and strapped to the L model as a backup?
>>2248650>RainsWhat does tradition suggest?
>>2253584Yeah you could do that, certainly. I haven't actually tried it because if I need a small daypack I usually pack a veshmeshok or something. Also, I do use the Savotta mousepad thing as a back for the S, which you have to take out to roll the pack up.
>>2253610>What does tradition suggest?A rain cape? Some sort of oilskin jacket or poncho? Just a waterproofed hat?So many choices, anon.
>>2253584yeahI take out the mousepad like >>2253649 said and stuff it down in the frame/bladder pocket of my L, then just roll everything else upIt's not quite as tight a roll with my sternum strap and sling pads attached, but since it's gonna be strapped down anyway it's not worth the effort of taking them off
>>2249541Based estonian, where do you usually hike
All right anons. I got $150 USD to work with and I want a large drybag. What would you recommend? I was thinking a 90 Liter
>>2252292>dat bed are you a halfling? dwarf? usamerican?
>>2253699it's a couch, but the actual beds are just as badt. uni housing sufferer
>>2253710Smells like Miltec for turbofags.
>>2253971Miltec is already for turbo fags
>>2252957My son's Jansport external frame pack has zippers. It's older than I am, was a hand-me-down from my cousin that was heavily used by myself and both of my brothers, and now my kids. It's still intact. I can't speak to your particular pack, but I wouldn't let zippers be my deciding factor.
>>2253686I'm this anon >>2250690I've worn it /out/ twice now, it's very comfortable but due to the vinyl material it's a bit noisy. It's only around 60L but there's a matching shoulder bag, could easily attach a couple of those to the platform with a bit of creativity. Wouldn't stay dry if fully submerged but it's definitely rainproof. For $150 you could build two of them and have change left over.
Doing the PCT early next year, recommend me an ultralight pack. No, I'm not carrying some fucking milsurp the length of the country. I'm tossing up between zpacks and HLMG. Although if the osprey packs are as comfy and back ventilated as they look then the extra weight is probably worth it.
OMG you guys have no class
>>2254388atleast they own the backpacks, not some .jpg
>>2254274https://andrewskurka.com/is-lightweight-backpacking-label-dead/Don't fall for the UL meme, Anonbro.Osprey is a safe bet, but keep researching
>>2254425You post that article, but did you actually read past the introduction? Also, r8 my pack pls.
>>2254442Pic didn't upload for some reason.
Have always backpacked with a vintage aluminum frame (the ones that you strap all of your gear and bags to), but didn't go last summer because I moved and then broke my foot. Somehow it got lost and I'm devastated. Does anyone use these now? If so, recommendations for modern ones?
>>2254425I'm not falling for the meme, I just want the lightest pack possible that has a good harness system. If it's an extra pound or so that's fine but I'm not lugging the heavy ass shit I see people post in here across 2k+ miles just because some poor people seethe at zpacks.
>>2248615This is mine, it does the trick, keeps the rain off of my gear and is durable and comfortable
I am looking for a backpack in the 60-70l class and have so far considered Berhaus Centurio 45 and Karrimor Predator 50 because of the side modules and scalability. Im do not want a pack that rises considerably higher than my head. I am aware of what the surplus market has to offer but I am specifically looking for a non camo backpack. Are there any other backpacks I have missed? I am in Europe, so obscure NA brands are off the table.
>>2254513Lol my pack is more expensive than that trash compactor bag.Imagine asking this Kazakh bird watching forum about a pack for a fucking thruhike (with next to no details, itinerary, load out, or budget) rather than doing your own research or trying on multiple packs to find your own fit.
I looked for a backpack in the 36l range but I haven't filiund anything that seems remotely good except for the jack wolfskin kalari for around 100€.
>>2254561If you are in Europe, get surplus german Berghaus Munros, they are about 100€.
>>2248650what are these packs you have here?
>>2254573nvm its yugo.
>>2254545awesome i would invite you to my lair
>>2254472That's an external frame pack. They're not too popular anymore but you can pick up a used one for a song if you look. It's hard to go wrong with a Kelty.
>>2254571I was actually looking at that one since we used it in the bundeswehr but it doesn't have anything that allows some kind if air-flow on the back.
>>2254644The dutch Centurios are better but do not meet the stated size demand. You could add side modules but that is not optimal with the Centurio 30 imo.
>>2254637Thanks. Didn't know what to call it. I'll look around.
How is Savotta vs mystery ranch? Looking to upgrade from us mil surp to something good but am conflicted between those 2 for camping and such.
>>2251407Campsaver had them on sale for 200 for a good couple weeks, in which I also bought one :)
>>2254274Superior Wilderness Design. You can either go really hard ultralight or use rugged ultralight fabrics. Highly customizable and made to your liking. Not the best place to ask this question btw. This entire board is filled with larpers, as you can see in this thread.
>>2254842Mystery Ranch is built better. They practically use the same fabric depending on models you're looking at. Designed better too.
>>2253166do you store, tent, sleeping bag etc on the outside? how is it for mounting to?
>>2254908>They practically use the same fabric depending on models you're looking atNo they do not. Anon stop talking about things you have no knowledge of.
>>2255009Doing a quick search, he's correct. Savotta just uses 1000D cordura, not some magical unicorn dust. MR provides packs that are made with the same material.
I need a bigger backpack for hiking during the wintertime since I will have to carry more gear around. What size do you guys generally use? I am leaning towards a 35l backpack from ferrino (I currently own a 24+4l backpack that already was a bit too small in summertime since I also carry my camera around with me).how big are your backpacks?
>>2254945I carry my sleeping pad on the bottom and then sleeping bag and tarps go on the lower compartment of my L so I have the sides free for jackets and tools abs things that I want easily accessible, but it's tall enough that you could carry most tents internally if you wantthe straps are very good for mounting things, they've got a lot of length so you can fit pretty big stuff on the sides and bottom is your wantyou can also carry things on the top under the lid if you need more external mounting, but that's probably a bit more janky
savotta is overpriced larp
>>2255129If you are taking all your stuff on a multiday hike (72h+), 65-70l should be sufficient if you need to practice proper wet/dry routine to avoid frostbite. Winter is a little vague, though. How cold day/night are we talking? What kind of shelter do you use, etc.
>>2255153It really is.
>>2248652>Two rifles>One tarp>Two men sleeping under the same tarpHa. Gay.
>>2255157This is not intended for multiday hike, at most maybe sleep one night in a cabin (outdoorcamping is not allowed in Germany). (Also I already do have a 70l deuter backpack which is too much for 1 day hikes).We are also talking about the alps so its going to get cold in the winter.
>>2255045Majority if not all military MR packs are 500D. Coating is also different, but that boils down to specific models. MR "civilian" backpacks are usually not even that. He is not correct.
>>2255440Sure but lets not jest here and act like 500D is bad. I'd rather take a pack that weighs less, is like 95% as durable as 1000D, and is designed better. Actual door kickers, who actually use their gear, use 500D and 330D. Guess who uses 1000D. Retarded regular infantry. Yeah, I'm moving the goal posts, but seriously the differences between 1000 and 500 is negligible.
>>2255446I don't care anon, the original claim was false. And your claim about neglibility is false too, just like the one about infantry using 1000D shit. Stop talking about things you have little knowledge about. It's not difficult, we are all anons here.
>>2255416>outdoorcamping is not allowed in Germanywtf
>>2255449>just like the one about infantry using 1000D shitExcept they do issue 1000D shit to infantry, idiot. >And your claim about neglibility is false tooIs that why hunters, door kickers, and everyone else I'm reading right now on actual good forums and not the larping bullshit that is /out/ are all saying the same shit that 1000D is overkill? You're literally just projecting. I'm literally reading forum posts from forums that you need to submit your DD-214 to even be accepted to start posting saying these exact points.
>>2255454>you must answer my strawmanNo.>somewhere someone may have been issued 1000D pouch, therefore it is "infantry thing"No.>some retarded screechingLmao. I accept your concession.
>>2255457It wasn't pouches anon, that other guy is correct, they did issue 1000 but transitioned over to 500 for weight savings. Packs were 1000 too but now 720. It comes down to the stitching and quality control, not entirely on the fabric.
>>2255467Can you show me what military issues 1000D backpacks to their grunts? Not really interested in the rest, I never talked about these things, other anon did.
>>2255469Not the same anon, but many NATO countries issues cordura 1000D backpacks as the standard gear. I have 3 military backpacks and at least two of them are cordura 1000D.Cordura and high level of denier are nice things, but it goes to hell if the stiching is poorly made.
>>2255471What countries, anon? And what backpacks?
>>2255473Two backpacks from Spain, one is like 90-100 Liters:https://2img.net/h/oi59.tinypic.com/6oj2au.jpgand the other is a "three day pack", like 40-50 liters:https://www.surpluszaragoza.com/wp-content/uploads/p/5/9/6/8/5968-Mochila-Ligera-Campa%C3%B1a-ALTUS-Boscoso-Pixelada-2016.jpgBoth of these are made with cordura 1000d, are heavy but bombproof. None of these have failed me when going /out.The third one is picrel, the old dutch combat pack. Can't say what kind of material, must be thick nylon or cordura (IIRC cordura is still some type of nylon) because I have hiked through thorned bushes and this fucker does not get even a scratch.Not saying that milsurp is the best, it just suits my requirementes.
>>2255452You get fined for a lot of money if you camp in the wilderness. There are camping areas obviously where you have to pay to use them.
>>2255491No you don't. But maybe don't camp in the core zones of national parks.
>>2255416>If you sleep at Hütten, 40l is sufficient.
>>2249329that's a very good pack. Used it in the army. based rocket bags too. 10/10.
>>2255556>Wild camping is prohibited in Germany. If you simply pitch your tent in a German forest, you risk receiving a fine of up to 500 euros or even more if you do so with a camper van.https://www.deutschland.de/en/topic/life/camping-in-germany-vacation-during-the-corona-crisisSounds like you do.
>>2248615Canadafag here, looking to get my first pack specifically for camping/hiking (used to just use large schoolbags). What material should I go for?
>>2255561>https://www.deutschland.de/en/topic/life/camping-in-germany-vacation-during-the-corona-crisisIt depends on several factors: Who owns the land and which state you are in. It is not generally prohibited, unless you are in a national park or any specially designated wildlife protection zone. If you for example go to a state forest and the local Förster wants you to leave, you have to leave. But that is because he is a representative of the owner. As long as it is private land, which the vast majority of woods are in Germany, then noone can fine you. Unless you do other retarded things like having an unprotected fire or camping at wildlife conservation sites etc. A good rule of thumb is don't be stupid and don't go to Landes- or Bundesforst.When it come to places other than woods, it gets a little more complicated legally. But, unless you are an asshole and antagonize people, there is usually no problem. I, being an old fart, always have some "Kurze" and sausages in my backpack. I never had problems even camping on beaches in tourist zones. Just be a human being.
>>2255561As an anon who also lives in a country that fines you if you camp outside a camping park...and lives next to another country that does the same...and has camped in both of them in various places (admittedly, I'm bolder with the choices in my own country), I can tell you that there's theory (law) and there's practice (reality, i.e. what actually happens).Don't camp in places people can see you for miles and you'll be fine. Don't camp in fucking protected areas and you'll be fine.>>2255416Try to get maybe a 40L pack with enough compression straps to make it smaller, that way even if it is too big you can tighten the straps a bit.Better than getting a 35L and then finding out it's too small for a tiny little bit.If your 28L was already small in summer, you might want to consider if extra 7L are really that much of an increase to cover the extra bulk of winter gear.I personally would rather err on the side of caution and get one that might be slightly too big.But hey, only you know your needs and as such do the final choice.
Hey guys, trying to piece together some gear for doing some 3-5 day trips in the PNW next month during winter break. No clue what size I want. Someone above recommended the "Osprey kestrel 58L" to another anon and to keep things simple I might just buy that. Hoping to get most of the expensive major stuff picked out before cyber monday.
>>2253670Literally anywhere that looks interesting on the map. Could be a random patch of woods or an established trail. Got 3 larp spots too which I visit when I just want to camp and sit by the fire. Planning to do a longer hike next year though, possibly somewhere in Finland or Hiiumaa.
>>2252131why bring all that for a such a short trip?
>>2255654samefag, probably gonna go to REI tomorrow and try the Kestrel 58L. Just not sure if this size is right for me.
>>2255670>>2255654A guide on REI said I should get a 70l+ for winter camping. Do you find this agreeable? This means the Osprey Kestrel 58L is ruled out
>>2255672>Do you find this agreeable?It all depends on how bulky all your gear is.Someone with a tent will probably need more space than someone with an hammock.A cheap sleeping bag will be bulkier than some top of the line sleeping bag for the same rating.
>>2248813I’ve got two AG packs (Poco Plus and regular) and after using a Mammut Active Spine, I hate wearing them other than the obvious reason
>>2255696>Someone with a tent will probably need more space than someone with an hammock.I hadn't considered a hammock for winter camping, not a bad idea as it gets me off the ground and saves space.at any rate, I don't have any gear. I'd like just one set of stuff that's pretty versatile for now. ideally i could buy the right gear so i could do both cold weather (including some snow) and fair weather.I don't really wanna spend more than $1k though, and can forgo snow camping if i can't find a happy medium between a smaller, light summer bag and a bigger one for the increased bulk of winter. to me, a 58L looks about right, but idk.
100L reliable backpack, comfy carry-system and modular
>>2255843this one here: Tasmanian Tiger Range Pack MK2Anon what you think about that one?
I simply love packs like this with one giant compartment that can be zipped completely open.I bought this as a full medical kit bag.
>>2255902Here's the first pack of that kind I bought. Love the fact it has so much molle for expansion with pouches and strapping.>>2255846Dayum, TT is expensive but well worth it. Though, as an Aussie, I was seriously turned off from them when I learned they're German, not Tasmanian.
>>2255846TT is a great brand.
>>2255707Snow camping you'll need a 0F bag. The cheapest and most packable 0F bag I've seen (and own) is the Mountain Hardware Rook 0 for 299 though I bought mine off campsaver and got it for 200. You're also going to need good clothing and if you're going solo I'd recommend a satellite SOS system.
>>2253166How do you think an alcohol stove (trangia), 2p tent, and sleeping bag (loose, not in the bag) would fit in the S?I'm thinking of getting a lighter backpack for overnight trips but I like cooking.
>>2255846What do you think of their little 22L packs for every day use?
for a 22-24L Backpack for daily use i would recommend you the Rush 24 from 5.11i would say its the best for everyday use
>>2256083fuck people who carry a backpack onto the bus and dont take it off and smack it into old peoples faces when they turn around to get off the bus>t. seen it with my own eyes multiple times on the bus
>>2255988what size bag, and is a hammock sufficient over a tent?
No lk35 chads in here?
>>2256265>22-24L Backpack for daily use i would recommend you the Rush 24 from 5.11Their site says that thing is 37L, the 24 in the name is not the volume.What the heck are you people doing on your day to day life that you need as much space as someone doing an overnighter? (which I guess actually proves the 24 in the name is correct, it can haul the shit you need for a full 24 hours /out/)If you want tacticool you have a lot to choose from, Savotta (Jaakari S is 20L), Helikon-Tex has a 21L pack, there's plenty of shit if you look at the usual tacticool brands (if you don't want tacticool there are lots of options too).I personally for EDC would avoid packs with waist belts or at least avoid padded waist belts. Unnecessary and becomes a hassle quickly.>>2256294>and is a hammock sufficient over a tentNot that anon, but for a hammock in winter you'll need (obviously) a tarp and (not so obviously) a underquilt. (in addition to still needing the sleeping bag and the sleeping mat) In the end you might not save up all that much space compared to a tent.In summer the hammock clearly wins as far as space taken in the pack.
>>2255621>>2255558Thanks for the input. I also asked in qtddtot and some anon replied that he uses a 44l backpack for the winter while he still has room left. So basically in the same range as you guys suggested. I will look into 40l backpacks.
Mystery Ranch Metcalf. Love the thing but man it has so many zippers and adjustable straps you can change to fit you and your freight. But guess thats what you get for buying a hunting backpack. Also I am not confident enough too wear it because I feel like a larp. Only had the chance to wear it for a week long winter hike where we tried to carry all our food with us. Worked really well and the load was really manageable
>>2256083>22L>littleIs that advertised size or actual, cos 22L ain't little
>>2256472>Also I am not confident enough too wear it because I feel like a larp>wear it for a week long winter hikeI think that is exactly what these packs are for though. Do you mean like a daily backpack?
>>2256324Yeah I have one. What about it?I'm not really sure how to use it given that it's only 35l. Maybe a long winter day hike or short summer trip I guess
>>2256472do not fear the larpbecome the larpt. larpchad
>>2254573>>2254586This pack was made by ground gear uk which looks to be out if business now
>>2256472>Only had the chance to wear it for a week long winter hikeIt's a frigging 70L backpack, that is pretty much when they are supposed to be used: winter overnighters.What do you want to use it for? Summer day hikes?Also, don't fear the LARP. Embrace the LARP.I like using lumbar packs on my dayhikes, I felt like a complete 'tard wearing them.I just embraced it and became a complete 'tard and now I can wear my lumbar packs anywhere I want without feeling self-conscious. (other than in the middle of town, I'm only a complete 'tard /out/)
>>2256690Dunno how much trinkets and shit you feel you have to bring to each /out/ing if you believe 35+l is just enough for a one day hike.
>>2255707>I hadn't considered a hammock for winter camping, not a bad idea as it gets me off the ground and saves space.My UL tent packs smaller than my hammock. Also, winter camping with a hammock requires an under underquilt and a tarp, at which point you're carrying more weight and volume than if you were just carrying an UL tent and insulated inflatable pad.
I'm not on /out/ very often but why do you all need so much gear? How many days are you innawoods?
>>2256878One bigger backpackOne tarpOne ponchoOne sleeping matOne winter sleeping bagOne three seasons sleeping bagClothing for all seasonsBootsSome shit for cookingBooboo kitWater bottle/camelbakFoodFiremaking including bigger toolsFew metres of paracordThat's pretty much just the basics, shit piles up. I usually go out every other weekend.
Definitely gonna get told off for being a LARPing faggot or some shit, but the padding on the USMC ILBE looks decent and as far as I know the capacity is good for day hiking and probably longer trips tooComparatively cheap, most sites I've seen it on it was listed for ~$200
>>2256889ILBEs are actually great backpacks, don't get dissuaded by hispeed retards.
>>2256889>I know the capacity is good for day hiking and probably longer trips tooIsn't it over 70L?That is definitely not good for day hiking, unless you want to train yourself hauling all the gear for long multi-day trips. That thing is fuckhuge.
>>2256890Figured just from the look of it, I was already planning to look into the pack further
>>225689670L isn't necessary if you can fish and forage for your food, out-of-season or not, food is food so long as you can catch itPersonally, for longer trips where I know I'll be heading towards places where there are fish, I'll just bring a big power bank or solar charger so I can remember where I'm going if I forget
>>2256897One thing, take notice what other anon is saying. ILBEs are fucking huge, it may be a bit of an overkill for a daypack. That is if you are not carrying some special equipment or something in that sense.
>>2256899Fair, for long trips bordering on voluntary homelessness I plan on trying to bring some luxuries that'll take up space, but if all else goes to shit it's a nice, big pack that's comparatively cheap
>>2256900You definitely won't make a mistake with it. It's a solid fucking tank. Bit heavy, but if again if you are not some hispeed twink you gonna be fine.
>>2256900For that kinda trip the knowledge that you can get 41 days of food in peanuts for $41 is at least slightly useful for when you can't get food otherwise, a little under a pound of peanuts is 2000 calories
>>2256902I have a bookmark folder set up with all the gear I want to get in it, sure it's 1500 dollars but it's only 15 pounds, and if I can't carry 5% of my weight in a pack that's more concerning than 15lbs being 5% of my weight lol
>>2256900>for long trips bordering on voluntary homelessnessYou're going for the right pack then. Big, supposedly pretty comfy, maybe a bit on the heavy side but it has ruggedness going for it.My only point was that the ILBE pack was huge to wear on a day hike.>>2256903>peanutsAnon, are you fascinated by peanuts and their cheap price?Because I swear I've seen some fucker bring up peanuts and the respective price on at least one or two more threads.
>>2256912> Anon, are you fascinated by peanuts and their cheap price?> Because I swear I've seen some fucker bring up peanuts and the respective price on at least one or two more threads.Hey man I'm just saying it's a cheap food source to supplement what you can't forage or catch on a long trip, pic related
>>2256925Enjoy your peanuts on your travels.Go in peace PeanutAnon, I too like peanuts! (I'm eating some salted peanuts right now)
>>2256836A 10+ mile winter hike? Yeah that's getting close with layers and food.
>>2250484>>2250401I'm considering buying an HMG as my first real bag after looking at the Kestrel. I live in the PNW so it rains a lot, and I want a bag I can use year round. The HMG I'm looking at (Junction 2400) is made from waterproof DCF material as well, so my bag should have decent rain resistance. Supposedly they have great build quality and of course this demands a higher price point. In addition, I like the simplicity of it from an aesthetic perspective. I have enough in my budget to buy it, am I in the wrong here?
^samefag. Bought my 10F down quilt today (Enlightened Equipment Engima). I want as little gear as possible but of course I'll need a summer quilt too. For my sleeping pad, I'm probably grabbing the Thermarest NeoAir XLite.https://enlightenedequipment.com/enigma-stock/https://www.thermarest.com/sleeping-pads/fast-and-light/neoair-xlite-sleeping-pad/neoair-xlite.htmlI want a setup that allows me to do fair-ish weather winter camping (I live in the PNW and don't want light snow to be a show stopper), in addition to the other three seasons, and that lets me use the same backpack and tent all year. In the summer, when my packs naturally lighter, I will probably be stuffing a lot of gf's stuff in there too, btw, during the shorter trips she may want to go on. So for a tent I'm seriously considering the Zpacks Duplex, since it's light, durable and packs tightly, and can fit two. It's expensive, but alternatives like the Big Agnes Copper Spur UL2 or similar go for about $450 new, and I can get a 'like-new' Duplex for around that price, and I feel like I won't regret having a lighter, better tent. Forhttps://zpacks.com/products/duplex-tent?aff=10Pls halp and lmk, I had budgetted $1k for the big three/four, but I'm probably nearing closer $1300 now.
>>2257305My gf and I got a triplex and I'm glad we did. It's not very feature rich but it does what it's supposed to well. I don't think we could fit comfortably with gear in the duplex
>>2257316just seems like overkill for when I'm buy myself.. but notting being able to fit our gear in a duple would suck too, but then again there's always the vestibule area right?
>>2257316and you thnk I can get by with a 40L bag?
>>2257319I mean I guess if you are smaller and sleep really close and don't have a lot of gear. I like the extra room and don't mind the additional weight because we share the load anyway
>>2257325do you use it when you're by yourself too?
>>2257305People here shit on the duplex but I can't find anything that fits my needs better.
>>2257340Yeah I'm very new to the whole backpacking gear culture, but get the same impression. After some basic research, I realized I wanted a DCF UL 2 trekking tent and there's really nothing else in that category aside from the Stratospire Li (decided against it as it's heavier, more expensive, requires a more complicated set up and the thing that would drive me the craziest is not being able to pack is horizontally - but if I see a cheap one I wouldn't be opposed). I get that it's expensive, so it seems flashy or gaudy, but there's no other tents that fill this niche for cheaper/better. I'm not usually a gearfag, but I wanna be comfy and just have the right stuff so I get out more..
>>2255457>tells anon, who clearly knows what he's talking about, he doesn't know shitLmao, fuckin Savotta fanboys, they 100% issue 1000D cordura you goober, and even then, like that other anon stated, it's the stitching that counts, not the fabric itself. And btw, he brought up military and hunting because those two communities abuse their gear more than you bushcrafting dolts.
>>2257345>t's the stitching that countsWhich is great with Savotta. >fabric does not countAnon, I...Why does finns make this board seethe so hard lmao
Why doesn't the Stratospire Li get as much love as the zpacks duplex? Of course it's 10oz heavier (which I know is the answer), but you get two very spacey vestibules what seems to be much more room for two people to actually sleep.
>>2257346MR is better, Kifaru is better.
>>2257345>and hunting because those two communities abuse their gear more than you bushcrafting dolts.Imagine thinking some fuck who takes his durr rifle and goes out hunting three days a year, one mile from the road abuses his gear more than someone who goes out every weekend. Literally any pack is suitable for hunters. 99.999% of them aren’t Steve Rinella
>>2257328If I'm by myself I use a surplus Dutch goretex bivvy.
>>2257390>>2257342Not sure why the Li keeps getting brought up. I only have the triplex (use it for 2 + gear) and prefer it over vestibules due to condensation/water/fest whatever.
>>2256925>>2256948>tfw allergic to peanutsWill never be a peanut Chad…
>>2257458Can you even call most people that shoot deer "hunters"? Sitting in a treestand or a deer blind, your rifle trained on the spot where you have been baiting deer for days with an automatic deer feeder, waiting for one to walk across your crosshairs while you sit on your fat ass? If you don't at least stalk your prey, you might as well go to McDonalds and call yourself a hunter after ordering a big mac.
>>2257519ok? are we only supposed to talk about your tent or something?
>>2257673I've just never really seen it as a direct competitor to the Duplex or Tiplex. Then again, I got my triplex ages ago and never looked back, so what do I know
>>2257800Sorry I just thought it was funny cuz I wasn't necessarily replying to you when I was talking about it. But yeah it's one of the only other large DCF trekking pole tents on the market. I ended up getting pic rel, a TT Double Rainbow Li, for $300. Pretty happy with it for that price, should be an easy resale if I ever wanna go switch to a trekking pole set up. Is the Duplex hard to set up in the wind? I've heard a few stories regarding what a pain trekking tents can be to set up and get a good pitch.
My "lightweight" load out and bag. Not pictured: arrows and muh two battle bro pups
>>2257943Did you change the "skateboard fingers" for a harp? Risky, but nice.Weigh wise your loadout seems ridiculous, but, never change anon, it's cool as fuck.
i did not like packing my backpack when i was a child, i did not like packing my backpack as a teenager nor when i was in the army eitherthese days i like packing and opening my backpack because there are front loading ones and it is a bliss
>>2257829>Is the Duplex hard to set up in the wind? I've heard a few stories regarding what a pain trekking tents can be to set up and get a good pitch.Not as challenging as a tarp, but certainly more so than any other tent I've had. If it's gonna be super windy I would probably take a different tent, but honestly I just wait for the wind to die down or pick a different spot.
>>2258090>tarpHow does the pack volume compared between a duplex vs tarp and bivy?
is there any way to attach non-alice packs to an Alice frame?
I fell not once, not twice but thrice for the Savotta meme and got the S, M and L too. Besides that, I'm a backpack nerd anyway and have multiple, not only for camping. I might be a bit retarded in that sense. Anyway, if you still have any more questions, go ahead.Also, I got in touch with ultralight faggots (not in that way though) and I learned that the M is good enough for multiple dayhikes and overnighters if you're smart about packing and got the necessary UL equipment.
>>2258132Depends on what you have. With my kit it's a similar volume, but the zpacks is crazy lightweight so it's no contest. The material itself is very compressible.>>2258151What's your load out for multiple days using the M? I want to like it. I also want to like the L, but the belt doesn't cinch down well enough for my 29" waist.
>>2258175I thought DCF was not as compressible? Trying to think about the most volume saving set ups for some pack/bike rafting in warm weather this summer.
>>2251276>Osprey kestrel 58Lyooooo you filthy fucking faggot I thru-hiked with that pack back in 2012 and could never remember the name, THANK YOU!
The inner lining of my trusty REI pack I’ve used for 15 years is coming apart and shedding weird lining material on all my gear. Is is fixable? I don’t live near an REI but can visit one this Christmas if they can fix it.
how hard is it to learn to sew a gud backpack?
>>2258247Probably not. I’m guessing the urethane has met the end of its life. You could try removing it all with something like denatured alcohol and pray for the best.
>>2258072Indeed, being able to open the whole bag in one go is great.
>>2258197I just looked at it again and yeah, despite my best efforts it's pretty bulky in its stuff sack. I would say it still makes up for that in terms of weight but if you are looking to save space rather than weight this ain't it
>>2258056Haha, I only brought the tech deck to a nearby park a couple times. At several sites there are these natural benches that have turned into sick bowls after decades of fat sweaty asses wearing them down.
Has anyone here bought a pack from kanjera? How are they?
>>2258138Paracord and creativity
Opinion on Ortovox ski backpacks?
>>2258175>I also want to like the L, but the belt doesn't cinch down well enough for my 29" waist.how are you adjusting it? what I do is >make sure the side straps where the belt connects to the pack are fully loose>put on belt>tighten belt length adjustment as far as I can pull it>once belt length is sit, then pull side adjustments hard to tighten it around wasit properlyI can get it more than tight enough this way, although reconnecting the belt is a bit annoying after taking it off when its tightenedt. 31" waist