Dear compass autists, I require your wisdom. I'd like to get myself a nice compass to use in field work instead of the garbage handouts from the uni gear lockers, but I've never needed anything better than some chinese keychain garbage before and I have no idea what's garbage/overpriced/etc and what's actually worth buying. Looking for something more or less like pic related, any recommendations?
>>2209086I bought a semi decent compass and honestly I've never used it. It's pretty easy to tell which way is north by the time and sun. Even easier at night unless it's cloudy. I'm sure there are use cases for a good compass but I'm my experience you won't need them if you're on any kind of marked trail.
>>2209093Yeah that's why I've never needed a decent compass before, but now that I'm at uni and doing surveys and field work all the time it would be nice to have a compass that hasn't been completely beat to shit by the last 15 people who had it.Pic related or a similar model is what we use, but they are a bit of a pain because the dials on them are really fucking stiff while the needle has to be held absolutely perfectly horizontal to keep it from sticking so you have to just trial and error how far to turn it because you can't get a reading while applying enough force to move it.
>>2209086What do you need a compass for? Not saying you don't (though that's almost certainly the case), but there's several types for different purposes.For example, the one in your picture is meant for stationary use with a map, where you know your location and bearing, and just need to apply that bearing to something else. Where I am, we call those "artillery" compasses, because they're useless on the move, but allow you to find bearings with more precision than a standard march compass would.Whichever type you want, you should get one that has a fluid-dampened needle, meaning that the needle or disc is floating in oil instead of just sitting on a point. The cheaper undampened ones will usually get sticky spots quickly. And it's not funny to realize you've been marching SSE for a day while believing you were going SEE.But really, unless you're in a wide plain with mountains in sight, compasses are useless unless you also bring a sextant. Only thing they're good for is larping.
>>2209112Forestry class work, we spend a fuckin lot of time doing traverses and surveys and shit. Sometimes we get to play with total stations and fun shit like that, but most of what we do is just fucking around in the woods with a basic compass and maybe a clinometer if the instructor is feeling really fancy.
What fucking advice is this?Just get the suunto a-30It's cheap for what it is and it glows in the dark
>>2209107This model is fucking great. If they are giving you MC-2s, take it and be glad of it. Ask someone to show you how to use it if you don't know how already. I use a MC-2 global. Saturday I was kayaking in the dark and using it to navigate to a campsite on a river. If you want a simple baseplate compass, just go buy one. The needle will still point north, but it requires you pay more attention when you take a bearing because you can't sight the notch and still see the rose like you can with the mirror.
>>2209173Yeah, from what I can find it seems like Suuntos are the only ones in the under $300 price range that don't have abysmal quality control these days. I'm guessing the issue with ours is just wear and people getting them full of grit and shit and not cleaning them. How is the bezel on yours, does it turn smoothly enough to adjust it at the same time you are sighting?
>>2209086Pic related, its gonna run you about 100 bucks, but its the only compass you will ever need, and its tested and been used for fucking ever. It short, its simpleAs.
>>2209189yes, but I bought mine, so it hasn't suffered the bullshit yours has. I'd ask to see the compasses they have on hand and root through them until you find one that's less sticky than the others.
>>2209140I never understood how these dumbass compasses are supposed to work.>>2209200Based lensatic compass user
>>2209255You're supposed to hold them to your chest or stomach and then look in the direction they point. They aren't as easy to use as the ones you can sight, mirror or lens, but they will work if you're careful and precise with every bearing. (People never are though, so get a better compass). I say they're good for learning how to use a compass and map, because they're fine for orienteering exercises and the baseplates are almost all set up for use with topo maps.
>>2209255easy. you pull out your orienteering challenge sheet your scoutmaster gave you. next, put red in the shed. then compensate for your declination. then turn your body, holding the compass flat in front of you until you are reading the correct numbers per the instructions on the sheet. then walk the appropriate number or paces. then set your new bearing as before. then walk the required number of paces. rinse, repeat, until you are done with the course. seriously if your out somewhere with a topographic map, you should be able to find your way around with a goddamn bubble compass so long as the place isn't perfectly flat. or your in a desert or some shit.
I got this japanese compass for like 20$ at a thrift store, not sure what this thread is about but gonna compasspost anyways
>>2209200Be sure to get a real one, it's crawling with fake chink shit out there.
>>2209255>I never understood how these dumbass compasses are supposed to work.The needle points to the north
>>2209093There's a local case where a guy on his 4th or 5th up a particular mountain got too lazy to navigate and walk by memory alone. He took a wrong turn and kept going without even checking direction for hours until sundown.Ended up being rescued 4 days later
>>2209173Nice.Is it the classic ones? they don't make those anymore. Current model have this pic related cheap plastic crap in place of the iconic needle
Suunto clipper britbongs represent. Why use a compass when you're never 3 miles away from another fucking human.
>>2209173>>2209681forgot pic>>2209682I've lost 2 of these
>>2209200Completely different type of compass. Guess you can use it for your cool guy military LARP tho.
>>2209681I am sad to say it's plastic on mine. Plastic is the new default.
>>2209107>>2209140>>2209200All based options depending on what your actual needs and expectations are. I am partial to the old school Cammenga Phosphorescent because it lasts a long time and replacing Tritium means replacing the compass. I learned on a lensatic compass in Boy Scouts. Never used that Silva with the aluminum bezel again after I realized how accurate it can be if you take your time. It goes without saying but I am using a high end Garmin handheld rig with my own maps for 99% of my /out/ these days. My Garmins have been practically bomb proof since my first one in '06.
>>2209093>I bought a semi decent compass and honestly I've never used it. It's pretty easy to tell which way is north by the time and sun.that's because you don't actually go /out/. No one has an innate ability to know what direction they're going. Anyone claiming otherwise is a liar and/or someone who never goes off-trail.
>>2209694>>2209681What difference does it make if it's plastic or metal? The spinner that the arrow is attached to is still metal. I have the newer version myself and I've had no issues with it.
>>2209775IDK never had the metal version but the price didn't changed so can't help but felt ripped offThe fact it wasn't mentioned anywhere on the product description at the time of purchase also didn't helpIt's like falling for those PC memory makers that swap out subcomponents for cheaper ones after gaining good reviews.Anyway it's only been out for a few years so remains to be seen if it will last as long
>>2209805>IDK never had the metal version but the price didn't changed so can't help but felt ripped offI'm pretty sure the price has been reduced drastically over the past few years.I bought mine for about $45 earlier this year and I remember reading old forums saying that people were paying $70-80
>>2209775Hopefully none. It's a good compass and I'd hate to lose it to some defect down the line. I'm sure I'll eventually lose it to my own dumb ass putting it somewhere "safe".
>>2209086It depends on what you plan on doingIf it's just for basic orienteering, anything like what you posted would do perfectly fine. If you need one for a special application, it may be worth it to get one made for said special application.t. special application-er
>>2209086Thumb orienting compass or go home
>>2210139Do actual geologists and artillerymen still use this compass?
>>2209086If you want to get something nice. SUUNTO MC-2 USGS/Thread
>>2209127>Forestry class work, we spend a fuckin lot of time doing traverses and surveys and shit.That's outside my field, but from what little I know, I think you'll probably want a compass with which you can precisely determine angles. That would mean one with a mirror (so you can see the needle and the sights at the same time) and fixed sights (wire sights stretch with time and heat, making them unprecise).Some examples:Minimum would be something like this:https://www.asmc.de/kompass-kasper-und-richter-marsch-spezialSimiliar, but from Suunto:https://www.asmc.de/suunto-kompass-mc-2-global-6400And if you really want to drop money, there's also some with inbuilt clinometer and prismatic sights instead of a mirror:https://www.amazon.de/Geologenkompass-Kasper-Richter-Meridian-Pro/dp/B00GC3B5WQI don't own any of those though. I've only ever used a shitty repro USMC compass and a Wehrmacht compass, and usually just navigate with sun, map and landmarks. So take my suggestions with a grain of salt.
>>2210972the MC-2 has a clinometer too. I don't know how it compares to other compasses though, since I never had another to compare to.
>>2209419Nice compass anon, seems like a good buy.
So i want map 4 navigate and avoiding private property.Can i ask the civil service ladies at the town hall for topo maps, surveys and high quality satellite images ? Can i ask the Army for topo maps, surveys and high quality satalite images ?I have a feeling they'd probably tell me to piss off. Where can i find maps ?
I've got a cheap suunto I use to supplement my phone since the GPS signal sucks under trees and you don't know which way you're facing with the phone only. Works fine
>>2209086Had pic related for over a decade
I have used compass a lot along with a gps map.Phone with oruxmaps.The good compass is the compass that it is filled with alcohol so that magnetic arrow does not move rapidly you do not have to wait or tilted to make it stop and become calm and steady again.The alcohol makes it work in cold weather.
>>2212578I think I have the same bullshit compass.It is not a good one.
>>2212451>ArmyBest case, they'll tell you to get lost. Worst case, they might arrest you on suspicion of being a spy. Depends on how third-world your country is.>Town hallDepends on country. Here in Germany, there's a specific office for giving tourists information, including maps in multiple languages, since that's cheaper than having o rescue lost hikers all the time. Though there's still a few idiots getting lost each year - my favorite story being a burger, who tried getting help after her friend broke his leg, and ended up getting lost in a small plot of forest about 1km x 500m for four days. That woman was literally to stupid to walk in a straight line.>Where can i find maps ?Honestly? Try google maps. For short hikes, those're enough, and if you're doing long-distance hikes, getting a GPS makes sense.But if you absolutely want to buy physical maps, try a bookstore.
>>2209762Why are you so offended by this? Can't you just look up at the sun >What if what if what ifYeah stuff can get in the way but it doesn't change that you can still do that if there's nothing stopping you.
>>2212634You can't rely on looking at the sun to know your direction. Therefore you still always need to bring a compass or gps, unless of course you're a LARPer.
How do you guys store your compasses? Do you shield them from magnetic fields so they stay true? Am I overthinking this, because people live and die by their compass readings I can imagine. I really like my Suunto but the prices have gone up 3x and I can’t justify anything digital now, and I’m afraid I’m losing true bearing for my compass. Is there a way to fix a fucked compass or should I just get a new one?
>>2212485isn't it the bluetooth connection drains your phone battery faster than using its own gps receiver?
>>2212878Bluetooth connection? The compass isn't connected to the phone lol. I use the phone to look at the map and the compass to see my direction
>>2209762>Don't read second half of my post.>Get butthurt about it.Go back to larp containment.
>>2213208You're still wrong. Just because you're on a marked trail doesn't mean you can automatically tell what direction you're going in. Most trails aren't straight lines from point A to point B and it can be easy to get turned around on one if for example you go off for a piss or to look at something interesting off trail.
>>2212878probably, as the gps is a passive receiver and bluetooth transmits as well. Just turn off wifi and bluetooth when you're in the woods. I think you can even kick it into airplane mode, but you're stuck with whatever maps you have downloaded, if you don't have a cell reception.
>>2212792I just hang it on the wall. It needs to be pretty close to a strong >>2213256magnet for it to be permanently fucked up.
>>2212451there are entire companies online that are built around providing topo maps and nautical charts. You gotta do the searching, but I'm SURE someone covers the area you want to travel to. >>2213311sorry, I somehow clicked on another post.
>>2213256>>2212634You certainly can use the sun for general direction finding, (If it's a clear day), but not well enough to go point to point on a map unless you're using baselines or obvious landmarks as well. The only times the sun is reliable is very near dawn and very near sunset. It immediately starts swinging south here (northern Hemisphere) and the amount south will vary depending on the time of year, so to get a clear idea of south, you have to play with shadows and stuff that takes time. In a survival situation, your methods should be known by everyone, but if you're planning on navigating by map, it'd be really weird to plan on not bringing a compass and relying on the sun.
>>2210938Some do, some don'tThere are many alternatives, so it depends on individual preference.
Today's compasses aren't reliable and don't last a long time from what I've researched. They're part of the product obsolescence scam now. I made a thread about it a few months ago https://archive.nyafuu.org/out/thread/2139933/