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Thread to discuss, recommend and shit on gear.
Just bought pic related, with the 3L bladder, for my first real camping backpack. What really sold me on it is the lid that converts to a daypack. Seems handy if you're gonna be in an area for a few days and just need something to carry while scouting the area.
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I want to camp in the wild (which is forbidden here) and don't want to be seen. There's not much forest between frequently travelled pathways. I'm toying with the idea of getting a camouflage net to deflect the structure of my tarp setup a bit. My tarp is coyote brown and will be placed in woodland. Is this overkill? How to stealth camp when people could be in line of sight?
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>>2135650
look at snugpak gear
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>>2135655
Isn't a camo net too much LARP? How to stealth camp without LARPing?
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>>2135644
Is 60L pretty average for something like a week long hike? I know it depends on what you pack and in turn that depends on how resourceful you are.
>the more knowledge you pack the lighter your load will be
kind of thing
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>>2135664
using a product designed to achieve your goals isn't larp
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>>2135665
Some through-hikers use 40L packs. So 60L is definitively enough if you mean that by "average".
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>>2135664
>How to stealth camp without LARPing?
It's not larping if there's actually real negative consequences to being caught.
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>>2135665
If you're thrifty/spend a bit of money on stuff that's compressible or ultralight, you can make 60L go a long long way. I think the goldilocks zone for a week long trek is 65-70L personally.
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>>2135714
>no TI84
not gonna make it
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>>2135719
Why does he have two calculators, six knives, and 9 lighters?
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>>2135722
Also, why the two sawzalls?
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>>2135722
>>2135724
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>>2135724
>hes never had to clear trail
ngmi
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>>2135650
What country.
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Anyone have experience with this pad?

Paria recharge xl
$85
R-value 4.7 (not ASTM verified, but in an email they said they're expecting it to fall within +-0.5)
1lb 10 oz
76x23", 4" thick

I'm a side sleeper and don't want to spend an extra $100 to save a few ounces, so it looks like a decent year-round pad. Haven't seen tons of reviews but the ones out there seem positive
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>>2135650
Leaves and dirt can be enough. Set up your tarp low to the ground, just enough to crawl in. If it’s not raining don’t use a tarp at all. If you want to get really autistic about it dig a fighting hole and put your tarp over it, the lower you can get to the ground the better.
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Someone recommend me a hatchet. Max I’d spend is $150. The less it weighs the better.
I only really fuck around Appalachia mostly if that helps.
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Anyone familiar with mil-spex?
I just got the 75L heartlander from a military surplus for 100$. Very impressive. Great stitching, thick canvas, all fully rubberized everywhere, even in the little pockets. I cant find any info on the manufacturer, anyone familiar?
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>>2135814
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>>2135814
photo does not show but it has these sturdy ass rubberized pockets on each side under the molle strapping, perfect for a shovel and axe either side
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>>2135817
>>2135814
Cheap Chinese made mil-tec level stuff? Meh.
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>>2135836
yeah its not the best ever naturally, but i think it should do me for a couple days out on the road without anything breaking. I am very surprised at how comfortable it is strapped on. Where I plan to go camping its illegal to do so so the colors are not too much of a larp! lmao
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>>2135714
I have that headlamp.
Nitecore batteries suck.
Would recommend a Keeppower as a alternative if you don’t already have a second battery
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>>2135714
someone call the larp police
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>>2135882
Yea i have several different batteries including some expensive Klarus batteries that stopped working. Actually the few i have that still work is my nitecore battery
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>>2135882
Magic shine is the breast headlamp
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Bought my kelty coyote 65, and for a 2 day, maybe 3 day bushcraft pack, i think its a great buy, esp when it can be found sub 150
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>>2135714
>all that kit
>3 spare mags
>no visible fire kit
>no axe
> probably 50 feet paracord

If you actually use this gear and it works for you, rock on, but i dont believe it does
That said, if this is a scouting pack where you dont INTEND to stay out, its fine
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>>2136047
Yellow bag is change of clothes
I dont actually carry all this paracord unless i plan to do a lot of shelter building
File and stone come with for tool maintenance

This is generally 2 days of gear, the food is a little less than that, but its what i had for pic

Pack fully loaded is about 50 lbs with a full water bladder
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>>2136050
I forgot a jacket, filter, and canteen in that pic, fuck
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>>2135714
> guns

Learn how to show a bow faggot
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>>2136060
>> guns
>Learn how to show a bow faggot

Tbf, if hes in an area where thwres dangerous animals, guns make sense, but lbe with 3 reloads, not so much
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>>2136049
>axe
hes got a saw. thats pretty obviously an overnighter or light 2 day set up
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>>2136085
Id argue an axe is more useful than a saw, if hes only going to carry 1 id pick the axe since you cant really split wood with a saw
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>>2136090
if you're going to get deep into the woods with a rifle and four mags you don't need an axe lol. Even the saw is a luxury for an overnighter, hes got a gas stove
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>>2136094
>rifle for security
>cant build fire for security

The state of k larpers
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>>2136090
Who goes out and splits wood. Pro tip: no one. You just pile that shit up on the fire and it burns eventually. What do you think people do when they go camping? Cut trees down and split a cord of firewood for the night?
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>>2136108
You split the wood into kindling big brain
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>>2135644
>dad gave me his old coleman 413g
>cleaned up the plate that sits underneath the burners and gave it two coats of aluminum spray paint
>looks factory
>got most of the rust off the gas generator and burners
>got the propane adapter for it
II like the idea of cooking wherever I stop when off roading in my jeep, figured I'd clean up my stove and get a cookset for it. Now I can be an "overlander" or whatever
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>>2136114
The real big brain just finds smaller sticks instead of carrying an 8lb axe like they’re Paul bunyon
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>>2136061
>>2136097
The thing below my headlamp is a ferro rod and not seen are my matches which are always in my stove bag. Also why tf would I carry an axe when I have a good sven saw (it's that red stick looking thing if you didn't know what that was) that cuts way quicker and lighter weight are you fucking retarded? You have never used a decent saw and a light weight camping axe on the same piece of wood have you? Have fun swinging your axe around while I will be cutting up wood way quicker and easier than you. What axe do you own? Do you own a saw?
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>>2136060
>t. no guns faggot
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>>2136160
Sorry meant for >>2136049
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>>2136060
>bow
learn how to use a spear faggot
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>>2136165
Based pointyboi.
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>>2136164
that was aggresive bro maybe u should think twice before posting something so mean on the internet.
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>>2136097
>>2136108
>>2136114
>>2136154
>>2136160
this axe bushcraft larper has clearly never backpacked in a way that has covered any distance whatsoever. Do 10 miles a day for 6 days in a row and maybe enough of your meager neurons will rub together enough to rethink the utility of a 3-4 lb axe. Speaking from experience the only time an axe is absolutely necessary is for winter camping with a wood stove (where weight doesnt matter as much bc you have a sled). Other than that its always a heavy luxury item vs something like a collapsing or folding saw
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>>2136224
are u saying a really good survival knife full tang drop point for batoning and also the folding saw would suffice?

Can you rec a good folding saw? they all look like shit for some reason. Warm regards, pissant
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>>2136225
silky gomboy is the best entry level folding saw IMO. there are several models. to your credit axes are also useful when firewood has been picked over in popular areas or if everything is soaking wet, but still not completely necessary.
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>>2136230
If there are still dead dry trees?
Ill look that one up. Can you reccomend a model that does not have a boutique price but can handle anything you throw at it? From shoes to hammers to bags Im just really rough on shit so I need a tough one
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>>2136154
>>2136224
>The real big brain just finds smaller sticks instead of carrying an 8lb axe like they’re Paul bunyon

You dont need an 8lb axe, but even a hatchet would be a good addition. My axe is only 2lbs. If were talking a backpacking kit, yeah id pack differently, but if im bushcrafting, im clearly not going to be hiking more than a few miles a day once in, most of that witthout kit
>>2136160
I carry both a saw and axe, saws are great, but axes, or atleast a hatchet make fire building much easier than batoning a fixed blade imo. I carry a 26" axe solely because i havent upgraded my axe yet, a 19" would do basically everything i need, maybe even smaller. For cutting wood to size lengthwise of course a saw is smarter, but a fire needs kindling. That said, my experience is basically all camping where im hiking in, making camp, and buikding there for x days. If i were moving every day my thoughts may be different

>>2136225
I carry a silky ultra accel
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What’s a solid 3-4 person waterproof tent (preferably w bathtub floor) that’s actually available somewhere?? Seems like slim pickings rn.
Help appreciated
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>>2136238
silky saws have great warranties if something happens BUT I have broken one once when I was careless with it and it binded in a log but my hands kept moving and bent and snapped 1/4 of the blade off. So a shorter saw vs their longer models would be more durable but less effiecient/quick at processing wood
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>>2136224
Exactly that's why i almost never bring pic related on trips. Although I own axes I don't bring them on backpacking trips at least when I'm not larping with my early 1900's kit
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>>2135714
>CCE camouflage
you better be french you faggot
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>>2135743
Luxembourg
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>>2135807
Which will probably pull in moisture, right? I'll leave that for the case that it is really needed then.
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Just ordered the 40-60 Flex Capacitor LFGGG
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>>2136454
Not french at all deal with it
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Is there any practical way to integrate a sawyer squeeze into a camelbak? I have a 3l camelbak bladder.
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>>2135671
Week long trek with dogs and fishing gear I like 70l (assuming the weather isn't fucking snow then you need bigger). If I am bringing normie friends/gf who are weak and overpack maybe even get a bigger one when you inadvertently have to carry some of their gear.
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>>2135714
fug i like the gun camo and the woodland anon
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this is a serious question, and I really don't care anyway but am curious: why do some anons buy all this milsurp backpacking gear? Some of it legit looks miserable to lug around versus a nice internal frame backpack made for backpacking. Do yyou just like the look of milsurp over other stuff? Or is it secretly super kick ass? I have been backpacking and camping for a long time and always used the normal outdoor brand stuff so am curious.
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>>2137026
sometimes the weight is worth the extra durability. On long treks through mountainous backcountry I have put lots of wear on stupid expensive lightweight gear and its very embittering. Most of the time its just people who are just getting into the outdoors and larping which is fine. Most cheap milsurp is a great way to get /out/ but ofc its worth upgrading for long, steep, and deep activity. Some modern surp is literally patagonia or arcteryx manufacture so thats part of it too.
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>>2137041
makes sense. the ultralight gear today just can't lost long through anytype of use just by its nature. but if the gear gets people out (while not being annoying fucking faggots) definitely go for. more than one way to enjoy the outdoors, I was just curious because i rarely see milsurp used for /out/ activities irl. see lots of it when I go shooting though, but not doing 3 day 2 night backpack trips and longer.
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>River Country Trekker 1 tent

Good or Garbage?
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bump
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>>2135788
Buy it and let a nigga know. Looks solid. Just remember like 10 years ago that was top of the line tech. These young fags have no idea what we logged around on the same trails.
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>>2136604
Just go into the forest and pack up somewhat early the next day, its what everyone does. No need to be so stealthy, no one cares if you dont leave trash everywhere.
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>>2135714
Kek nice bait
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>>2136732
Squeeze the water into it? Why would you want to integrate it. You would be carrying dirty water in your camelbak then.
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>>2136723
sort your posture out
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>>2135644
Instead of the bladder use 2 or 3 water bottles (generic is better, because it fits a Sawyer filter). You can me later. Firwst i thought the daypack is a gimmick, but it makes sense i think.

>>2135650
Everything dark becomes invisible at night, for example red. Line of sight is not a problem if it's dark, hearing distance is. Humans, sadly, have poor sight in the dark, but still very good hearing. Make camp at dusk, leave camp at dawn.

>>2135665
If 60 is not enough, you need to reconsider. BTW, you can always just buy a rollsack and have sleeping gear on the outside to free up space.

>>2135788
It's guaranteed not over R3. But that's ok, get a thin mat to put it on made from evazote or those cheap ones you put on a windshield in the summer. The R-values add up. Look cheap however, maybe you can get a similar Thermarest for maybe 10 or 20 more?

>>2135811
>hatchet
For what purpose does one need a lightweight hatchet?

>>2135814
It's chink shit larp ware, but sounds like properly made anyway. Should do the trick, bring a thick needle and some string if it doesn't.

>>2136047
Not bad, but drop the firearm, lardman. This isn't WarZ in burgerland, you know.

>>2136224
What he said.

>>2136723
Is this roleplay called /k/ommando?

>>2136732
Think about it. You stop at the water, fill your bladder (btw, use bottles, you will not be happy once you are two weeks from civ and your blader ruptures) and move on. Why would you integrate anything to anything?

>>2137019
That's ok, nobody says you have to pack small. But if you have the option, do it. Again, i just hang bulky stuff on the outside, if i have to.

>>2137026
It's a cheap start. If they stick to regular /out/ings they'll buy better, lighter, civilian gear.
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>>2136165
>spear
Learn to use a rock faggot
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Thoughts on MTech double-edged knives?
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>>2135644
I just got this pack, the older green version, at the end of last summer. Used it once on an overnighter hike in. It's very comfortable and well designed, should serve you well anon.

>>2137372
Looks terrible. I'm getting into designing knives, this is my latest build, a dagger made for bushcraft.
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>>2137156
got it and so far it feels super comfy and packs down to a good size. If it doesn't stack up for 4 season then I'll use it with a foam pad and/or a windshield reflector

>>2137292
definitely warmer than my cheap shitty uninsulated pad so I'd honestly be satisfied with R3. Half the reason I got it was for the thickness, which is awesome so far
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>>2137470
not bad, did you do any grinding after heat treat? That splotchy pattern looks a bit like decarb to me
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>>2137544
Yeah it's decarb, not finished up yet had finals to deal with.
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>>2137568
what steel did you use for it?
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>>2135650
net camo is either noisy or heavy takes up a lot space and if people are that close to you is still gonna stick out. just find a naturally covered area with lots of bushes/trees and no trail coming right by, nature will be your cover and as long as your tarp is not a neon colour you're good.
I'm in the same situation, plan on going camping in a couple weeks and finally scouted a really nice spot in the baby forest that my city has.. its just 5 minutes walking from houses but with enough foliage and surrounded on 3 sides by water that I don't think anyone would ever come there. pic related.
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>>2135788
seems good I would have bought a thicker one had I known.. I now have to double layer my pad because I can't get a good sleep on it when its only 5 or 6 cm thick.
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where can i get a mug like this
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>>2137646
found this exact mug after <15 seconds of searching.
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>>2137680
link
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>>2137709
How do you not know how to use a search engine by now? Literally search “green wander mug”
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Does anyone bring a pillow? Not a “camp pillow”. More like a regular down pillow you sleep on every night. I’m thinking about starting to do this after yet another night of not being able to get /comfy/. I have like a 14lb baseweight and am seriously contemplating bringing a full sized down pillow from my bed from now on
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>>2137709
>>2137670
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Advice for dealing with the little semi-shrub-semi-trees that dominate most of west-central florida?
>Too thin and elastic for axe
>Too thick and pulpy for machete
>Saws are the only thing that reliably work but are very slow given the extremely fibrous branches
Wat do? 'Real' trees are only thinly scattered, so it's not like I could chop down a proper pine or palmetto without it being noticed.
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>>2137863
What are you chopping trees down for?
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>>2137886
Depends;
Firewood isn't really a necessity in florida, but it's nice to be able to cook. I know there are pellet stoves but they don't seem capable of genuinely cooking with, moreso heating things up, but correct me if I'm wrong.
Other than that, I use the wood to fill in for things I didn't bring with me. Stakes, posts, poles, and so forth - I've even made some makeshift duckboard to help me walk around muddy areas.
Sometimes I don't even need the wood, but the foliage is so dense that I'm forced to remove things if I want enough space to set up a tent or hammock. It's not uncommon that there is not even 5 feet of air between two trees to utilize.
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Getting into longer hikes and feel like the only asshole walking around with a water bottle in hand. Is the REI Trail 25 worth the price for a daypack?
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>>2138074
Do you think you’ll stick with the hobby? If yes, spend 30-40 few extra bucks and get an osprey. If maybe not, then yes. For summer day hikes, I’d try to stick in the 17-22L range for a size

>>2137720
1lb 9oz for an old, full sized, down pillow I have, and fits nicely into a stuff sack. Not sure if it’s worth the weight though. It’s ultra heavy compared to the rest of the gear I own ;_;
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>>2138099
Already been on so many hikes that I cant imagine doing anything else every weekend. What Osprey? I dont want to go too crazy on a daypack as I imagine ill be having to buy a whole backpacking set up soon.
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>>2138155
I’d say the osprey talon 22, but I wouldn’t paid $130 for it. Wait til it’s 20-25% off, which happens a few times a year and get it for around $100
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>>2135719
>two TI-84 plus editions
This guy fucks.
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>>2138162
is the trail 25 a bad pick up for $80? Going on a long hike Friday and will probably need it. Not sure if I can wait for the Osprey to go on sale
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>>2136224
man the fuck up and start lugging that weight, stop being a pussy
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>>2138191
>is the trail 25 a bad pick up for $80?
Its certsinly a good bag, but a 25l is a pretty small bag by my standards, qnd at that size, almost any bag you have will hold up
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>>2137636
>>2137292
>>2137161

ty
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How much camping stuff can you fit in an 80L rucksack?
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>>2138315
Generally more than you need.
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>>2138315
80L worth. What kind of question is that?
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>>2138236
Well it would mainly be for day hikes, I just would like to carry around water and snacks
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>>2135644
Anyone have a 5 gallon+ water storing system that does not make your water taste like ass?
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>>2138509
Clean it out and sanitize it.
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>waiting new shit for over a month now
I can't stand it anymore, I must go out but I got no damn gear, it's frustrating. I'll waste the whole summer at this rate.
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>>2138509
why do you need to store your water in anything fancy? Just drink from a river or whatever as you go and store your water in a pot or something
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>>2138611
>why do you need to store your water in anything fancy? Just drink from a river or whatever as you go and store your water in a pot or something
Not everywhere has good water sources, ex. The river near me needs filtered and boiled to be safe and palatable
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>>2135644

i have one and desu i think it's really stiff, to the point that it's a pain in the ass to do anything that isn't "walk forward".
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>>2138509
A water jug? Why are you storing 5 gallons of water anyways?
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>>2137720
I have the same issue, can't stand the small or hard or blow up pillows. recently bought a latex pillow for my regular bed that is much smaller than a normal pillow but still soft enough and comfy to sleep on. contemplating buying another one and cutting it in half to make it more portable and take it with me camping. pic related
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>>2135719
holy kek
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>>2139006
I've been camping 2-3x a month in an area that has no water supply at all. I go through about 5 gallons of water per trip. A water jug will work nicely. Simple and easy, I was overcomplicating the matter. Thank you.
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Anybody have the Gregory Paragon? The main selling point for this bag is that the hipbelt and shoulder straps move independently of each other, which appeals to me since my hips are always sore. This will be my first backpacking bag either way.
Does anyone have other similar bags from Gregory (the zulu or miwok)?
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Im debating for friends bday gift restored axe if i should make it a bearded axe for his viking larp shit, or just a good axe but less cool looking. Then again, idk if i want to ancourage his autism. Thoughts?
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>>2139819
don't have that one but i've got a stout and miwok that are fantastic

can't go wrong with gregory or osprey
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>>2139859
Get him an omniblade
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>>2139579
is it heavy compared to down?
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Wait a minute... These capes are probably loden, aren't they?
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>>2137470
You should make a pantograph knife.
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I’m going to hike a section of the AT for about 120 miles. I need a back pack under $200 preferably. Wat should I get?
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So I noticed that my LARP phase is over and I now want to ditch all the Savotta gear and military sleeping bags I have. Now the ultralight phase has begun. I will probably find the middle ground between the two in roughly a year but now I have to decide what I do with the gear I own.
Do I sell it with a relatively large loss? Do I keep it and maybe don't spend that much in ultralight gear?
I'll ditch my current Them-a-rest too since its too thin for my taste.
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>>2140089
It's probably PVC.
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>>2135644
What else do I need?
This is everything I own minus some anime figures in storage and some tools getting shipped.
Pic is everything I'm bringing with to my new place on my bike (moving from Ontario to Alberta)
What else do I need for motocamping/traveling.
I was thinking
>towel
>pills for antibiotics and stuff
>permethrin (having trouble finding this stuff)
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>>2135788
>$85
It blows my mind how much they charge for these inflatable sleeping pads
Go buy a floaty
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Hello /out/ists, I am a retarded big city kid. I have seen a tree maybe once in my life, but I want to go camping, hiking and all that good shit. I made some gains from crypto (not a lot but I got 1,3k budget) and want to put it towards good gear so I can fuck off any time I want. Here is my list, please help me out so I don't fucking die on the first day. I will be going alone bc I have shitty normie friends.

Pack
>Osprey Aether 55
Tent
>Naturehike cloud up 1
Got some shitty boots off Amzon which suck ass so pls tell me what to buy
>Jökel sleeping Mat
>some 550 paracord
>a really cheap hammock bc I'll sleep in the tent most of the time
>KUBEY KU160 knife (wanted a simple fixed blade)
>Black diamond headlamp
>smol Water purifier pump
>Brs BRS-3000t cooking thingy and some fuel
Also socks, a tent light, solar charger, some trekking sticks, A folding saw, one of those terrorist scarfs.

After you cringed at my list pls recommend gear. Tell me what to prioritize, where I should spend more money. Is this new ultra light stuff even that good? Should I buy more old-school gear?
Also some books or maybe a good youtuber I can watch would be greatly appreciated.
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>only been car camping before
>been invited to camp for a week deep in the sticks
>4 hours hike in

can someone redpill me on what size pack I'd need to buy? I have a rough idea of what i'll be carrying but I don't have the experience to know if I need 30, 60, 90 liters, etc
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>>2140558
>for a week deep in the sticks
Fuck it, I'd go with a 90litre if you're staying innawoods for a week
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>>2140558
60L. If you can’t fit everything in 60L, you need to take less. No one in their right mind carries a 90L fully loaded pack for a week and has an enjoyable experience
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>>2140590
it sounds like it's more just getting all the shit from the car to the actual spot by the water, not necessarily hauling everything for a week straight. I just dont want to go out and buy an expensive pack that's too small or too big
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>>2140594
Make sure you know, if it's just hauling the stuff to the spot I (>>2140582) am gonna stick with telling you to go big. So you can bring some booze and blankets and stuff.
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>>2135719
>Old DeWalt
Sure u need 2 with that heavy use and all
*Rolls eyes
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>>2137050
Decent. Annoying to get into but good for size and price. I prefer the two pole standing one from them or Stanley
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>>2139859
Personalize it, clearly
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>>2140328
>>2140328
>>2140328
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>>2140789
ah fuck you
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>>2137372
ah MTech ...
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>>2137470
whats with that fucked up choil
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>>2140376
Nah I mean in the context of the show. They're a green cape worn by Germans in a pseudo-olden times setting. So they are probably the infamous loden cape.
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>>2140089
>>2140844
thats not loden because theres no optical illusion with the wearers head
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What's the best ferro-rod, composition wise? I've been using the big bayite but been wondering if there isn't a higher quality, more sparky rod of the same size.
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>>2141016
>>2120502
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>>2139819
I actually have this exact pack. I like it a lot. Wish it had some more straps on the sides for compression/tying shit but I make it work with. I have the complimenting Gregory 3L water reserve and it’s great.
I did get fitted for it though, I didn’t blindly buy it online.
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>>2136060
> bows

Learn how to show a atlatl faggot
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Anyone have experience with this style of external frame pack? Thinking about picking one up for 1-3 day hammock camping.
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>>2141585
I have a similar pack, a Kelty.
External frames are good. It might be a bit much of a pack for a 1 day hammock camp. Are you going 100% hammock, with an under quilt and rainfly and sleeping bag ?
I use mine with my two-man tent and it also holds the sleeping bag within
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>>2141036
Fuck off faggot. It's a legitimate question.
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>>2137470
>for bushcraft
What was your design process for it?
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>>2136224
>Outdoors revolves around only hiking
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>>2141094
Is that a cork handle?
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>>2140556
ah yes this will be adequate for winter backpacking
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>>2138171
>not using the superior ti-84 plus CE
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>>2142160
get two and stack em
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>>2141747
ok but thats clearly what the subject in question was for that comment chain? nice useless post
>>2142113
nice hpg bag
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>>2142244
Thanks bruh
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>>2141016
A lighter bought from the gas station is the best ferrorod
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will I regret going to ultralight
I already miss the footprint of my tent just from creating this spreadsheet but even if I get a tyvek one I would have to leave behind something I would consider essential like navigation gear or a headlamp.
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>>2141590
Thanks! The plan is 100% hammock. The current plan is:
>hammock
>net
>underquilt
>sleeping bag
>small pillow
>tarp
>tree straps
>socks
>underwear
>dehydrated food
>alcohol stove
>alcohol
>couple gallons of water
>canteen cup
>ultralight rain coat
>Steiner binos
>basic booboo kit
>Trekking poles (when not in use)
If there's extra room, might throw in some shirts, and I might throw in a Yaesu FT-818 and 20m dipole for SOTA/POTA trips.
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>>2142529
You don't need to go all the way do you?Just keep the foot print.
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>>2140557
>a bunch of shit
start simple before you get a bunch of stuff you are carrying and not using. sleeping bag, tent, backpack, headlamp, stove, water bottle, food. do some overnights until you get a sense of what else you need to stay out longer or go further or do something differently. you probably won't need paracord or a big knife or a water filter or whatever to start. it's nice to want cool things, nicer to make mindful gear acquisitions. the stuff you're carrying should be purposeful. most importantly, get good shoes. happy trails anon
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>>2142529
this is stupid, are you really going to sleep on the ground??? at least get a shitty pad
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>>2136047
How snug is that axe? I've been thinking if getting a 24 inch long axe but have been wondering what bag would allow for it, or the most efficient way to have an axe on your bag
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https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/norwegian-backpack-with-steel-frame-surplus/68016 anyone have any experience with this? would it be decent for two day trips?
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>check catalog
>no loadout thread
Just when I needed inspiration...
I guess everyone is outside having fun.
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are anodized aluminum cookware sets any good? im trying to find a good stainless steel set on amazon but everything seems to be anodized aluminum.
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>>2142861
You can kill yourself diving with fucking whatever flippers those things are called in english.
You can swim so fast even without hands that it's ridiculous. I remember having countless close calls and shit as a child because I took those things too deep.
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>>2142113
>45l ruck is all you'll ever need bro!
>proceeds to strap another 30l of bags and pouches onto body
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>>2140089
The garment actually has a name and it's called Luhka or Luhkka
And yes, traditionally it's made from loden or 2 layers with some sort of down insulation in between.
Varusteleka sells them.
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>>2142886
What bags and pouches.
You mean this? There's about enough room for a phone and a GPS maybe a snack bar.
Idk what the fuck you're on about desu 45l is more than enough for most outings. Not all, that's why my 45l packs max capacity is more like 80 litres if I'm doing extremely long trip or very cold temps
But you faggots don't do that so
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>>2142892
>get commented on how small your bag is
>LOL I can carry more stuff if I want, but since you said my bag looks small it's obvious YOU never go out lol!
the argumentative brain of a true genius
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>>2142897
You don't make any sense
What other pouches
Everything and more in that pic fits into the 45l main compartment with room to spare. Just not sure what your point is here
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>>2142903
I had no point. It was merely a jab because I condenced every conversation I have ever had on this site about pack size to you. I just thought it looked funny that a 45L number was staring me in the face and there were quite a few bags and pouches in the picture also.
I figured that most of them were on their way to the inside of the pack, but hey at least I got a chuckle out of my own comment when I made it.
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>>2140551
ditch the change of clothes man
I mean what are you gonna do? haul around 4 pairs of dirty underwear and socks?
Just take 2 of each max. Moving clothes and then cleaner town clothes.
How are you planning on doing the dishes?
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>>2142883
Can't wait, my old flippers were just so stiff and tired my legs very easily. these are not in carbon which would be much more expensive, but they are way more flexible (they are in technopolymer). Everyone is saying great things about them and they only cost 80 bucks.
I never dive deeper than 10-12 meters so I'll be fine.
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>>2142969
Why did you make an entire thread about your new toys and still keep discussing it here?
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>>2142972
because I can't delete old threads
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>>2142180
r u dumb
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>>2137312
>rock
learn how to use... paper?
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>>2142916
If the I ditch the clothes I have to buy new clothes when I get there, and I'm not in a super great financial situation.
Can't I just hang the dirty clothes off the bike and wash them at laundromats?
>how are you planning on doing the dishes?
Figured I'd just use some water from the bottles I'm bringing or clean them at gas station bathrooms.
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>>2140551
bring one set of spare clothes only, make it shorts and a tank top. Everything else should just be complimentary layers. If you're going to bring extra shoes bring flip flops so when you shower in town you don't get athletes foot, otherwise invest in good trail runners that will dry fast. You should pare down your toiletries big time, go pick up travel sized items from walmart. A shemagh is a horrible choice for a scarf as its pure cotton. Switch to a buff and a microfiber towel like sea to summit makes. Switch to an alcohol stove too since you have the space in yoru saddlebags for tons of fuel; they don't burn through pumps and generators like naptha stoves do. Drop the rope and pick up some microcordage like CPGear sells; I think Atwood makes it.
I don't see a bicycle repair kit. At least have patches, a pump, spare brake pads and some spare master links. See if you can't find one of those wheel powered dynamos so you can charge your shit off of pedaling the bike, I think aliexpress and wish sell 5V ones which would be perfect for charging. With you going through the prairies you should get a high quality rainsuit for wind.
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>>2143097
>>2142916
I should have said this is a motorcycle, not a bicycle.
Brehs, I don't have that much money. Why do you guys want me to get rid of my clothes kek. That means I have to buy more clothes when I'm there, when I can just take them with me? I only have like 3 or 4 shirts anyways. Plus a shirt gets really smelly after a day or two of using it and sweating. Same with underwear, a day of riding a bike and getting swamp ass is going to be really shitty if you don't have another pair to swap out to, and it's not like I have a washing machine on me. Maybe I'll lose a pair of pants. I can use the swim trunks as shorts.
Flip flops suck, I'll just use the chink shoes I have there, they're basically sandals so I think I'll be fine. My other pair of footwear is bigger boots for the bike that have ankle protection.
Why should I go from a nice full sized deodorant stick to a travel sized stick? Also I think the reason it looks so big is because there's toilet paper and a cloth in there.
The Shemagh is actually really great. It keeps the wind out of my helmet and prevents bugs from hitting my neck at 150kph. Also keeps the sun off my back if I put it on my head. I've tried a buff, but it doesn't really work for what I use the shemagh for. I do have a few microfiber towels that I've added.
The stove I have can run on lots of fuels, is it just naphta that I should avoid? I've been using Coleman fuel. I thought it was good because it holds the fuel in itself. Is alcohol cheaper than coleman fuel?
Is that microcordage pricey? I think that'd be a good idea to swap out the random ropes I have there to something more consistent.
The black bag below the tarp is a decent repair kit with patches and plenty of tools. I have some extra tools under the seat too.
I can't believe I forgot about rain gear. It's in the mail.

Pic rel the bungee net goes over it all.
The other thing I could pick up is a tank bag, that goes on the gas tank.
Might get one if I can find it for cheap.
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>>2143097
>Drop the rope and pick up some microcordage like CPGear sells; I think Atwood makes it.
Oh, and what diameter should I get?
0.9mm and 1.18 seem to be the most common.
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>>2143085
take soap and the dish brush or whatever you call it in english
you won't be happy eating out from rancid bowls
mail the clothes to your destination if you have to, it's way worth it to ditch all the extra weight on stuff you're not gonna use
you probably won't even want to change anything like underpants unless you get to wash yourself also so carrying just 2 pairs is perfectly fine
the soap is also there to wash you
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>>2143191
Just go for it man. You'll figure what works and what doesn't on your own. There are only so much meaningful advice random strangers on the internet can give you.
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>>2143191
ah if its a motorbike then do whatever g
>>2143195
I just buy whatever CPgear has in stock, I'm local
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>>2143200
I have soap, but you're right, I should bring a brush for dishes, I have a cloth, but I could easily fit a little brush that would help a lot.
>mail the clothes to your destination if you have to
hmm, that's a good idea. It costs a bit, but if I can get the backpack a little lighter it might be worth it.
Are you sure about the extra underwear thing? I mean, I'm bringing body powder that I'm going to use for my feet and crotch, but I think I'll bring at least 3 pairs of underwear.
Sock I'm bringing 5 pairs no matter what. I get foot fungus easily in the boots I have and I've heard a thing or two about a heatwave. I also don't like wet socks if it rains.
Body powder is a life saver for me.
>>2143202
Aye true, I probably needed to hear that
>>2143205
Ah ok, thanks.

Just another thing, what about a shovel or spade? For digging a poop hole? Or should I just dump and run if I need to. Is there a biodegradable toilet paper I should buy, or is all toilet paper biodegradable?
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>>2140782
2 saws are essential -a rescue saw is needed on standby when cutting big timber
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>>2143377
I think it's pretty irresponsible to have such small saws. Drop them, and bring two Stihl chainsaws. The longer the bar the better.
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>>2143214
>Are you sure about the extra underwear thing?
I was on a week long hike just last week and I didn't even bring an extra pair. Only extra I had was 1 pair of extra socks and I didn't even need those.
I washed myself and my underpants once in the middle of it with mild soap in the lake and hung them to dry from a tree on a windy and sunny day and they were good as new in no time. I just went commando for a while, but that was no problem because at that time I was just hanging around in camp cooking.
To me it's much more of a hassle to figure out what the fuck am I gonna do with some rancid underwear especially if I don't want to mix them into my clothes bag, and if I know I'm going to be washing them regardless, why would I even bring a spare?
In case you shit your pants it would be good to have a spare and you also have to take into account that if you wash your clothes, you are going to have to be able to dry them immediately and not trust that they will be dry in the morning because most likely they wont.
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*paging all >muh tarp fags*
*paging all >muh tarp fags*

I need some sun shelter for a beach holiday with a toddler, and I'm thinking either tarp or beach tent + tarp.
But before I buy some crap like pic related, I figured I might as well get some "real" tarp that I can also use for /out/ purposes. Already got a nice, light 2.5 Person tent, but thanks to the kid, I might have to do longer trips solo, so going UL-ish could be relevant, hence tarp.
But I know fuckall about tarps. Most stuff I can readily get at (european) stores is about 500g for a 3x3m square, from 50€ to 200€. Most is PU coated. Is that better for tarps, since it stretches less than SI?
Or should I get one of those wings designs, which are apparently much more "advanced"?
Are there any good, reasonably priced total UL options I should be looking into, available in Europe?
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>>2143725
The easiest available decent seeming tarps I've seen for Europe are by rab. They are sil nylon, pretty fucking light. I just use the poncho for solo lightweight stuff but if you're tryna fit a family under I might go for the 2 person. However the one would make a fine sun shade too. There are lighter tarps but whatever you do don't sacrifice weight for something that isn't ripstop. Learned that the hard way
Could be a bit of a pain in the ass setting up a tarp on sand, doable but a lot more of a pain than a free standing sun tent type thing
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>>2143740
>rab
>€179.95 for 3x3,5 tarp
meanwhile dd superlight 3x3 tarp costs 99€ and is in the weight class
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>>2144039
Where the fuck did you find those prices, the rab shit is nowhere near that expensive for me
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>>2143740
Have a look at Robens if you want a decent tarp that just works for a moderate price (70€). Liteway equipment sells pretty fucking light tarps.
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>>2143725
Wing designs are for hammocks. You're better of with a rectangle/square for more setup variants.
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>>2144039
>DD
Isn’t that the tacticool stuff they’ve got at varustleleleleleka? But those are PU, most higher class stuff is Si nowadays ?!
>>2144155
I remember some tarp autistas shilling all kinda of “advanced” layouts, som I’m wondering if there’s anything to it.
Guess a square is quite versatile anyways, but if other stuff is better, I wouldn’t be opposed to it. After all, I am a bit of a gearfag...
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>>2144170
Thos advanced layouts such as tipis are done with square tarps.
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>>2138315
plenty
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>>2139968
i guess its slightly more heavy but because its got a lot of airholes its still really light. but when you only use a small one or even cut a part off it will be lighter than a full size pillow
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>>2135644
Anons, can you help me with purchasing a backpacking backpack. The problem is - in my mountain town there are only deuters in stores, so I can't try on a lot of stuff. I need at least 70l for multiday hiking. I can order online aether plus or baltoro 75 or some lowe alpine stuff. Or I can get any deuter.
Also, how is aether? its hipbelt is adjustable and seems weak for such backpack.

>inb4 you don't need 70l, just get 45l
ultralighters should go fuck themselves with ultra light carbon dildos
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>>2144775
Go to a store.
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>>2144810
and? I said - there are only deuters there. And I was told that Osprey and Gregory are better
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>>2144812
To elaborate - deuters seem very heavy and a bit outdated, so I would like to try osprey
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>>2144775
You don't need 70l, just get a fanny pack!
>there are only deuters there. And I was told that Osprey and Gregory are better
Depends on what you deem better.
>>2144814
Outdated? that's bullshit. Just as Osprey and Gregory, it's a large bucket sewn from artificial fiber, with all kinds of zippers and gadgets sewn on, and 4 belts with a shitload of foam on them.
Deuter is indeed not UL, but if you're looking at the heavy duty offers from the others, they're quite similar in weight. And they all got a shitton of foam padding everywhere, that only adds weight, makes you sweat more, catches dirt and breaks sooner than the rest of the pack. Some of the "advanced" Ospreys are really quite flimsy with their weird foams (but maybe a tad better ventilated).
But deuters tend to carry really well. Personally, I want something lighter and more streamline too for my next backpack, but Gregory and Osprey are neither.
Can't go too wrong with a deuter, if it fits you and your usecase.
>Lowe alpine
I've got a city daypack from them, and it's crap. Looks nice and… uhh… it was expensive, broke quite quickly, isn't water resistant at all, it's laptop compartment isn't any useful at all, sheds microplastics and the color bleached out quite fast. If they can't even get something that simple right, I'd be weary of getting something I depend on from them. It was fixed (the part that broke, not the rest) on warranty though.
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>>2144814
Find a store that has Osprey. Go to said store.
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>>2144146
it was probably from their own website
>>2144170
>tacticool tarp
I know there is bias against varusteleka for some strange reason, but you people really getting butthurt at manufacturers if their stuff is sold on their website?
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>>2144864
I'm not getting butthurt at all. I'm just confused that it's military spec AND lightweight. Normally, those form a Venn diagram with no overlap.
And those hundreds of straps seems a bit overkill.
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Anything wild to get from the amazon prime day sale or is it all garbage?
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>>2142888
comfy AF
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>>2144873
>military spec
whaaat are you talking about?
the straps are great for making all kinds of asymmetric contraptions
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>>2135644
From my last camping trip
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>>2145194
In case you faggots say I’m in the backyard
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>>2145196
id be jealous if that was your backyard
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>>2145196
that honestly doesn't prove it isn't your backyard
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>>2145194
you gonna eat two chickems?
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>>2135714
>lazor
>no cat vision
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>>2145196
thats your backyard
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>>2145194>>2145196
damn nigga u strong or stubborn but stupid as fuck. id guess youre less than 10 miles from the parking lot with all that superfluous weight
also
>condor branded shovel
lmfao at least you got /out/ dont let the haters get you down
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>>2145359
Yes
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>>2145194
>three knives
>a machete
>an axe
>a saw
Why
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Would this be a good backpacking tent? I often go tenting solo or with 1 person. I think the weight is the biggest downside but the price and build seems decent.
https://www.asadventure.com/en/p/nordisk-tent-halland-2-pu-1122C30015.html?colour=2998
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>>2135644
steel pan
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>>2145194
>camping trip
this looks more like larping inside daddys van





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