Previous thread: >>2097630Thinking about picking up my first mora. What's your thoughts on the Mora Bushcraft?
>>2134872>serrations>american tantoCould've done worst. Spend 20 bucks and get a Ontario rat 1 or 2.
>>2134872tanto is trash, half serrated is fine. straight up plastic scales. shitty logo job. Black on a stainless blade, lines aren't even straight. Size is ok.4/10. I wouldn't carry it, but it'll work as a work knife.
>>2134842I love my bushcraft black. Holds an edge for a long time, easy to sharpen, feels good to use, and I don't have to worry about ruining it since it's so cheap. Best budget knife on the market.
Had the "survival" years, broke one of the belt attachments, the swiveling one. Pretty sure it's exactly the same knife, now the rubbers starting to come off at the finger guard Pretty solid knife but ibwould choose a hard plastic or wood handle
>>2134872faggot made a thread just for his shit knife
>>2134894I held one yesterday at my local sporting good store, it felt very great in my largish hands. Right now I'm looking to replace my Bk7 with some thing lighter, that Mora definitely caught my eye. I am gonna need it order it online, cause I'm not spending 60 bucks at brick and mortar.>>2134901>rubber comes off at the guardHow much is coming off? Do you think it could easily be fixed with a epoxy of some sorts? Is the rubber coming off from use, or is it from the sheath rubbing it off?
>>2134958>How much is coming off?not much so far, but it is definitely opening up, down to exposing plastic>Do you think it could easily be fixed with a epoxy of some sorts?i guess, so far it hasnt been a big problem and i have plenty of other knives>Is the rubber coming off from use, or is it from the sheath rubbing it off?definitely use and missuse. pic relbut keep in mind ove had it pretty much since the survival first hit the market, and never babied it, so i am completely satisfied with the longevity and the performance, getting pine sap off the rubber is a pain in the ass though so watch out for that
>>2134872What gas station did you get that from?
Kneel before the objectively best knife combo
>>2134842It's a knife. It cuts shit.
>>2134842I have a Kansbal or w/e. Thick tang and comes pretty sharp, although I don't know how to sharpen a scandi edge really. Good wood knife, but seriously you didn't need to make a thread for this gigachad.
>>2134980>Chinese knock-off buck>Chinese knock-off SAKvery cool
>>2134985>although I don't know how to sharpen a scandi edge really.It's literally the easiest grind to stone sharpen because you don't have to pay attention to the angle. Just lay it flat and push.
>>2134987Like I said, objectively the best.You should feel bad if you paid extra for the same shit
>>2134980>BuckKek, who broke you
>>2134995>made in china
Moras are a good budget user. I tend to go with puukkos. Similar to ops pic but with hand forged blade and wood/bone handle.Main points are go for carbon steel over stainless. Stainless is very hard to sharpen. Carbon steel will hold an edge and re sharpen easily, you just have to clean and oil it religiously.
>>2135005It clearly says it's made in the US
the mora bushcraft is a good value blade for light to moderate tasks. i wouldnt want to try and chop down a 4 inch tree with it. opening packages, cutting food or cordage, striking a ferro rod, making shavings for a fire are all fine. i typically carry one as a backup to my main knife.i typically carry a mora as a backup blade when i carry an axe. if its your only knife for camp stuff i'd want something beefier unless its a serious long hike and ounces count.
>Thinking about picking up my first coronavirus mutation innafield>Whats your thoughts on the rampant mutations?
>>2135020What's your main knife?
>>21350332nd one was okay.
>>2135000Massa tried to batony chop chop and broke his buck
>>2135005China is better at manufacturing 99% of things than the US is
>>2135057>made in US >made in Chinasame
>>2135068>>2135024>>2135005when you were dropped on the head as a baby
>>2135068If you say so.I say made in China is better for most things
>>2135071>>2135072>US>Chinashow me the difference both should not be
>>2135072>>2135076Made in China is basically mystery meat. You have no idea what type of steel is used and you can guarantee that they used pretty much every shortcut and money saving trick in the book. In my experience, made in USA is almost always noticeably better, if only because of the fact that it's so hard for manufacturers to stay afloat in the US that the ones that don't make noticeably better products don't last very long since they still cost a lot more.
>>2134842Had it, carbon steel sucks for outdoors. Sure it holds edge better but no amount of larping with patinas made it worth it. I now have a dedicated firesteel striker and even cheaper stainless companion. If mora makes something with same handle and stainless go for that.
>>2135092>carbon steel sucks for outdoors.Maybe if you're too lazy to maintain it
>>2135092Your firestriker is just extra weight as you can strike your rod with your ss knoife it doesn't need to be carbon
>>2135108Hassle for a benefit that's not worth it imo. Cant cut a lemon without it rusting.
>>2135072Opinion discarded chang>>2135020I carry a mora 511 as my main blade and this as my backup. What are you compensating for? Your moms dick?
>>2135092stay mad amerifart
>>2135020son you doing it wrong. why would you use a knife for chopping down a tree? would you use spoon for building a plane?
I don’t know how ops retarded ass managed it but when you put knife in the catalog this thread doesn’t show up. What a cunt
>>2134842And another thing you cunt. If you’re going to continue a general use the previous niggers formatting. You don’t put your post in the god damn header of a general I am gonna be looking at your stupid question for a month
>>2135029FuD to Continue the bs
>>2134842>What's your thoughts on the Mora Bushcraft?The Bushcraft was literally made for American larpers as a marketing ploy. The Kansbol (Mora 2000 successor) is the better knife by some distance and feels like a much more substantial (and by far more ergonomic knife) overall. This is the one you'll see every serious fisherman, hunter, guide etc carrying because the profile and ergonomics lends itself to so many uses.>Garberg looks like Kansbol?Also made for American larpers. The thicker blade and full tang adds nothing to the knife. Just adds weight and makes cutting performance worse. >Carbon or Stainless? Anyone who doesn't pick a SS for outdoors usage in 2021 is somewhat of a retard.
>>2135274You are quite the gay retard yourself there, xir
>>2135295>Hey, Mora! I tried wedging your knife into a tree and stand on it and it couldn't even support my slim 350 lbs! I demand a refund plus a bonus for emotional damages or I'll sue! I can't even imagine the amount of inbreeding and retardation that led up to that type of damage. Also "lanyard".
>>2134985>although I don't know how to sharpen a scandi edge really.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI4-YHNHqiY
>>2135205>I don’t know how ops retarded ass managed itThe cock gobbler put the thread title as his name.
>>2135316That's my trail name, anon, you really should get a trail name.
>>2135318Your trail name is cock gobbler?
>>2135365No, that's my stage name.
>>2134842I'd go with a Kansbol, more all around use for food & game as well as a thicker scandi near the hilt for wood processing.>>2135295lel, give it a light sanding, put some epoxy on it and it'll be fine.
Anyone have experience with BPS knives?
>>2135387the wood scales overlap the tang, it looks like trash and because of that I say no you.
>>2135392minor detail, nothing you couldn't remedy easily with a dremel or a bit of sandpaper on a stick, it's still a full tang knife for not a lot of money.
What do you guys think of the Skrama 80? I kind of want one and I don't know why
>>2134842I have one of those. Good all purpose knife and easy to sharpen. I tend to use it less than my thinner opinel knife, but when i need a tougher job done it has not failed me.
>>2135497fairly indestructible, but I'd just get the bigger Skrama, or both if money's not an issue, the longer handle on it's bigger brother is kind of nice, imo.
>>2135502Yeah I just ordered a Skrama 200 to be my new outdoors knife but, really liked the looks of the 80 too, I just use a mora right now for most stuff so, I don't even really need it but, I kind of liked it
>>2135092what are you on about? Mora has pretty much every model in stainless steel version
>>2134842ah, the knife every cheap boomer fuck gets and then rambles about how good it is for the price when in reality these are the dudes who are afraid to tell the wife they bought a new knife
>>2135612Does it hurt when people are happy with simple things anon? Does it pain you when they don't overspend on the oldest tool outside of the hammer?
>>2135488I hear the sheath also fits a companion perfectly
>>2135612I'd have no issue telling my wife I bought a new knife, seeing as I'm usually buying a new one every week. Be it bitchmade, spyderco, Chris Reeves, Esee, lot more that cost a bunch more than the mora bushcraft, which I just got today. I just wanted a new knife, wanted to see what people thought of the Mora, as well as just talking about knives in general. If any thing, I don't tell my wife about all the guns I buy. Either way you seem like a faggot, so dunno why you bothered joining the topic.
>>2134842>BushcraftYou do realize this is a term used to fleece rubes like you of money
>>2135992I don't care about the name, I care about what it can do, if it fits my needs and the price is right.
>>2136004>and the price is right.It's twice the price of a regular Mora, rube.
>>2136017Wait, no, it's 4x the price. I mistakenly compared it to a stainless model.https://www.knifecenter.com/item/FT01830/morakniv-mora-of-sweden-basic-511-carbon-steel-plain-blade-black-polymer-handle-black-polymer-sheath
>>2136019Let people enjoy things. “Stop liking what I don’t like” Is the cringiest motive to post in a thread in the whole pantheon of 4chan tismumum
>>2136020I hope you enjoy manufacturing shrubbery with your $40 knife, anon.
>>2136019I got mine for 20 dollars on sale. The 511 looks like shit, doesn't feel as good in the hand, also like a inch shorter too, retard.
>>2136041“Doesn’t feel as good in the hand” hard plastic give you the ability to change the handle shape brainletnig. And the half inch shorter it is, is a good thing. The shorter a blade is, the more control you have of the tip. If he is set on a thick knife, I think he should get a robust and save his money for that esee one day
Tempted to grab one of those made-in-china debranded Bear Grylls knives that Gerber sells if they ever go on sale.
>>2135522>bait harderMaybe I didn't need to add the Amerimutt line but it's not even close to bait, anon. The Bushcraft handle has the worst ergonomics of probably any mora knife aside from the wooden classic with a weird banana shape and finger groove that makes power cuts (where you put a lot of force into the knife) and detailed cuts (where you grip the knife close to the blade) uncomfortable. The materials used doesn't hold up very well to dirt and grime and gets downright disgusting if you get fish or game guts on it. It's also surprisingly slippery. The sheath is cheap and doesn't have a positive click. The Kansbol in comparison has great ergonomics for any cutting task. The blade's profile makes it equally excellent for wood carving and gutting fish and is just plain sexy, probably the best looking More in hand by far. The handle looks slippery but it's actually got excellent grip with a rubbery outer texture and a plastic core from some type of nylon composite so feels harder and much more premium. The sheath has a positive click that firmly locks in the knife. The belt look is detachable (again, positive click) and made from some type of faux leather which also feels premium in hand. I'm telling you, 100%, the Kanbol is the much, much better knife. It's literally Mora turning a corner and finding a sweetspot between price and quality. If the older designs felt like Moras this feels, in terms of quality, much more like a FRN Spyderco (but even a little bit better) at less than half the price. There is no other knife in Mora's assortment that even comes close.
>>2135497Great little knife, super strong and big cutting edge. Cheap, just get one.
>>2136089I'm the guy who made this thread. I own esees, I own benchmades , spyderco, bark river, I own a lot of different knives that cost a shit ton more than this. The whole point of this thread was to ask people their opinion of this knife, as well as discuss knives in general. For some reason, you had to go full retard and miss the point completely. Please, kill yourself you stupid fucking nigger.
>>2134995>>2135005very rarely will chinese knock-offs be built way goodso a 7 dollar meme 'now this is a knife' knife will just not break under any batoning
>>2135274The Kansbol is a massive pain in the ass to sharpen, so for that reason alone I'd rather have a Bushcraft black.>Anyone who doesn't pick a SS for outdoors usage in 2021 is somewhat of a retard.Again, their carbon knives are much easier to sharpen and hold an edge for longer. Stainless steel is good for retards who don't know how to or care enough to maintain their tools.
>>2136167That’s not how a general works. You hijacked my dead thread with a previous tag and everything and now you’re telling me we can only talk about one topic for this whole thread and only then, if we agree with you. You are a real life retard actually wow this is fascinating. Screeching and everything. Go back to pol
>>2134842Why do people even carry pocket knives anymore? God invented Leathermans for a reason.
>>2136210Why not both? Or more? If I’m feeling really saucy I’ll carry a leatherman, a case, and an esee, all 2.5 inches
>>2136211why would you carry a knife along with a leatherman though? Leathermans already have 2 knives on them. Seems like a waste of valuable space.
>>2136210>>2136213A pocket knife is about 1/4 the size and weight, and the blade is the only thing I'd use on a daily basis.
>>2136213My leatherman for work has one blade, and I would never touch food with it. The case is really just for dates with your mom and things like that
>>2136210I like to have something available that gives me the ability to shank a bear or a wildcat.
>>2136214Ah ok. I use mine for everything pretty much. Mainly the knife, screwdriver, and pliers. I work at a golf course, so I use all of those for quick emergency repairs. I also use it for fishing.
>>2136187>t. some guy who can't sharpen knivesLiterally takes a couple of minutes to strop it back to razor sharp unless you've been an idiot and chipped the edge and have to "sharpen"/reprofile it by removing a ton of steel, or are doing your extremely rare reprofiling due to the secondary bevel becoming too blunted from extensive honing (both of which also takes minutes on on a sharpening jigg or wheel and can be done by absolute brainlets).Don't blame the steel for your inability to understand the difference between honing and "sharpening"/reprofiling, retard. There isn't a single steel on the market that doesn't go back to razor sharp with a bit of honing.
>>2136130Looks like something I'd find from a kitchen drawer.
>>2136366You sound like someone who doesn't actually use your knives. You can strop or hone your blade for days but if the edge is dull it will remain dull. When you hand sharpen you are usually not reprofiling. You don't need to sharpen that often, but you do need to do it once in a while, and in those cases I'd much rather work with carbon steel and a scandi grind than SS and some weird hybrid grind where you actually do risk accidentally reprofiling due to the awkward shape.
>>2134842Some of the best knives I have, easy to sharpen and keep an edge for a long time. I recommend
>>2136456Holy mother of fucking god. I genuinely can't believe how stupid you are. I've literally sat here for five minutes reading through your mindless muppetry trying to figure out if and how I can cram some useful information into your tiny, tiny brain but you're seriously a lost cause. There is so much dumb shit in that short paragraph of yours that it would take me, I shit you not, not one or two or three but FOUR guides of varying length to correct your braindread drivel. And I actually would if someone had a keen interest and wiliness to learn. But you're so fucking obtuse and midget-minded that you actually wrote "you sound like someone who doesn't actually use your knives" while spewing out your moronic horseshit with a less than base level of knowledge, signaling that you are beyond a doubt incapable of any type of learning aside from "learning how to shitpost your garbage publicly. You are forever cursed to reside within the arrogant walls of pure, unfiltered retardation you've built around yourself to shield you from the scary prospect of having think. Go read a wiki, you stupid mouth-breathing fucking idiot. And please kys. Preferably with a Kansbol.
>>2136366Ahhhh “chipped” see carbon knives don’t really do that. That’s a stainless problem
vintage schrade i just picked up
>>2135295Thats the exact knife I have now I am worry.
>>2136961It's just another moronic Reddit mutt using a rat tail or partial tail knife to baton through wood and another moron mutt interpreting the "data" with his tiny mutt brain. >https://www.reddit.com/r/knifeclub/comments/gwsdbi/mora_kansbol_defective_or_one_off_case/You actually can baton with rat tails. Just can't be a moron about it. You just baton it down as deep as picrel, remove it and drive a sharpened wooden wedge through the rest. If you don't carry an axe or a batoning knife, that is...
>>2137152The "problem" arises when mutts do picrel. The pound the knife down into the wood and hold the handle, beating on the tip of the knife, thus creating two levers and a pivot point that multiplies the force. Even though infinitely retarded, even this type of idiotic behavior will actually usually work unless you hit a knot. However, to mutts knots are just another obstacle you can pound your way through. And this will kill even skeletonized full tangs and thinner non-skeltonized full tangs, so to gap the amount of retardation in the abuse you need a really thick knife which kills cutting performance. Ideally it should also be a longer knife which makes it useless for almost anything you would use a knife for.So just don't be a mutt. Bring an axe or use a wedge if you're gonna baton.
>>2136554>Ahhhh “chipped” see carbon knives don’t really do that. That’s a stainless problemNo it's not. They can chip, roll and dent; all which has to be corrected by a reprofiling (which is not like the other anon mistakenly though was the same as "changing the angle" but any type of "sharpening" where you either restore OR change the angle of the knife). They are also highly prone to pitting, which is when corrosion eats up the carbon crystals on the very edge of the knife; simulating the process of micro-chipping which is what dulls the blade. This will make it so that a carbon knife can be razor sharp and dull in your backpack as if you've been cutting with it. Which is a problem if you use your knife in any type of setting where humidity can corrode a carbon steel. It's not a problem if you're using your two inch thick "survival knife" to baton though. You can do that with any type of wedge shaped steel and it doesn't even have to be particularly sharp. Could probably get the job done with a sharp rock, desu.
>>2134842Does anyone know anything about vintage moras just got this today...
>>2136386Its nickname in the Canadian military was "the steak knife."
>>2137175They kind of suck with modern standards, desu. Classic Moras were made as cheap disposable knives for the miners and foresters in the Dalarna province, so it's literally just a piece of steel inside a piece of wood, mass produced as cheaply as possible (with birch and fairly high quality steel, which are abundant resources in Sweden) to be beaten, abused, broken and discarded.
>>2137186I see, thanks! I read some had bone handles. But for sure it appears like a craftsmans knife. The guard is really strange, it makes it uncomfortable to hold.
>>2137193>The guard is really strange, it makes it uncomfortable to hold.Why not bend it back?
>>2137193The guard looks like someome had bent it. It is supposed to be straight. T. Finnish person who has seen a lot of those old moras, they are everywhere here.
>>2137198do you think that will break it? I can imagine that is the case, this knife must have been through some shit because I found it at a shelter I work at.
>>2137193The guard is bent, it's not to supposed to be like that. And it's not a "Morakniv" Mora. It's a "Bröderna Jönsson" Mora which is a "Mora knife" in that it's made in Mora and features Sandvik steel and a birch but not the KJ Eriksson/Frosts which later became the Morakniv group via a series or mergers of the many knife makers in Mora. Bröderna Jönsson however continued to independently make traditional Mora knives until their factory burnt down (just a few month ago actually).>https://oldmora.blogspot.com/2019/11/e-jonsson-broderna-jonsson-1936.html
>>2137203>quoting a link so it's a pain to copypaste
>>2137203she is bent back to her former glory. t.y. for the info. that is very interesting. I found it outside a shelter I work at so its likely been used to do all kinds of nefarious things, those swedes did their best for us fentanyl crushing canadians
>>2137212>I found it outside a shelter I work atWhere the owner purposefully left it because he couldn't take it into the shelter. You've stolen from a bum. Good job. You're really helping those unfortunate folks.
>>2137218The more knives I remove from the space the safer it should be its my job n u r silly
>>2137218Also the word bum is problematic shows what u think about people
>>2137233safe for who?
Can you guys recommend me a knife?Looking for one that's 3" blade, wooden handle and sturdy.
>>2137152>>2137155>>2137160TLDR. You have autism and you either just discovered this board, or you just discovered knifetism. You need to calm down, and instead you’re of endlessly screeching to the point no one is even reading your shit, understand that the regulars in this thread already know everything you’re trying to teach us. Most of us have come to a more refined understanding of what our own needs are gayboy
>>2137571And this guy is 6'4 manlet
>>2137573i'd love to see an actual knife fight between you two
>>2137571Based Charles poster. He is my favorite Check out charlesworld if you tuned out when mde died. Anyhow, get an esee agk and cry about the wood. Micarta/g10 doesn’t break
>>2137577Kek he’s apparently a syrup nigger or slavsquat nig so he’ll probably be bringing a knife to a gunfight
>>2137580Thanks friend :) I'll have it on my radar.Just generally liked wooden handles for aesthetic reasons but this looks quite nice.
>>2137588It comes in orange g10 as well so you don’t lose it. If you want the knife to build character like wood would, Micarta is a safe bet though
mora always wins european powerhouse
>>2137573>the regulars in this thread already know everything you’re trying to teach usThe utter retards I responded to clearly did not. Obviously so. So are you one of those retards? Did I huwt youw sensitive wittle feels? No? Then don't throw your name in the hat, you stupid faggot. Now fuck off. No one gives a shit about your useless betaboi meta. I will jerk off my opinion all over your dumb cunt face all day and you will fucking take it because this is a chan and not a Reddit sub, you stupid fuck.
>>2137615Again, you have autism, and you aren’t really affecting me. By all means keep posting. You apparently get some sort of catharsis from it and I wouldn’t want to have a negative impact on your already unhealthy mind
>>2137619>you aren’t really affecting me>still feel a need to meta though>only meta>n-n-not autistic though>btw, you're mentally ill>you apparently get some catharsis from it>wouldn't wanna have a negative impact on your unhealthy mind though, h-honestYawn.
>>2137667You need mental help
>>2137605What's wrong with a wooden handle?
>>2137698Changes in humidity and elevation will warp and shrink wood. It’s much more of an issue with wooden rifles. It also traps bacteria, but so does micarta
>>2137698wtf do you even read what we write: get a mora you freaking faggot frog
You’d think after 214 /knife/ generals that you guys would have found the perfect knife for any use by now. WhT even goes on in these threads
>>2137708Mental illness See:>>2137667
>>2137739What about discussing tools is immature?
>>2134842I used it to dress and quarter a deer in the woods yesterday. Pretty good.
do i need serrations?
>>2137776What are the serrations even for?
>>2137776no, if you need serrations you want full serrations, a lanyard and a cork handle
>>2137776If I still worked on a boat full time or was into parachuteing or rock climbing I would have serrations. I have no need for them
>>2137776Serrations have their use cutting line and some oddly textured materials, but semi-serrations kind of half ass it. When your using a knife to do things like make wood strips for starting a fire, having only a partial length blade is a pain. Sharpening serrations is also a pain. It's much easier to work with either a full straight blade, or work with a full serrated blade//saw. It may not look as "survivalist" without serrations, but unless you have a specific need for them, your better off without them.
>>2137846So's a sharp fuckin' knife. If you take care of your shit, you don't need serrations.But ... some people just like them. They're not for me; I prefer a plain edge. But if you do like them, then by all means get a serrated knife!
>>2137776IMO if you want serrations. Get them on the spine
>>2135128Nice noife, can I have it when you die from wearing denim?
>>2137846Find me a typically sized rope that can't be cut by a normal blade. You do keep your blades sharp don't you?
Pumped for the Schrade SCHF38 showing up soon anyone have experience with this hunk of sharpened shit?
>>2138204a thick boat rope under lots of tension requires a sawing motion anon just think about it
>>2138261No experience with it but on paper it looks kind of shit, desu.>1/4" thick blade steel makes it better suited as a prybar than a knife.>1095 steel will further add to the poor cutting performance via microscopic edge corrosion. They also tend to use really low hardness on 1095. Get used to sharpening it often. >The handle ergonomics are bad. You'll be pressing down on a section that curves back into your thenar webspace (area between your thumb and index finger). And to make it worse they've also added jimping/notches there to ensure it'll properly dig into and bite your hand, coupled with a oddly deep finger guard area that'll make it uncomfortable to grip if you have mid to long fingers. And it looks like the spine protrudes from the handle scales, that aren't chamfered, so that's more hotspots. The back of the handle is curved down which is good for chopping but terrible for push cuts. So it's basically built like a chopping knife. Except it's a bad chopping knife compared to actual choppers like a Kukri. And it's downright poor for wood carving, fish gutting etc. It's essentially a prybar that you can chop decently with and kind of cut with. And your hand and fingers will be bent and shaped in all sorts of ways around sharp edges when you grip it. >There's a non-functional choil on the blade that's added purely for "aesthetics". It's too small to be finger choil and it's not a sharpening choil because it's not attached to the edge. Ultimately all it does is prevent you from doing detailed work since the blade portion that's closest to the handle (and offers most control) is rendered useless. >It has a cheap powder coating that will wear off as soon as you put it through some serious use. Overall, I'd say it's your prototypical tacticool mutt-blade. Made for everything except cutting and holding.
>>2138428i think that choil is for a striker yeah ill post it when she comes. I have an vintage mora for fine work, I literally wanted an indestructible prybar so that will be alright. I am wondering about the jimping too, worst case it will take some modding
wtf which knife can produce such giant sparks like this ?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Inao6r5CF0I
>>2134977It's actually a gas station knife. I've seen that model at my local station. They look worse in person.
>>2134842>What's your thoughts on the Mora Bushcraft?Overpriced larper bullshit.Get any of the 10 buck moras, they work just as well. Only difference (other than the tacticool color scheme) is the square back, but you can grind that down yourself (if you need it - for most purposes, a rounded back is better than a square one).Only more expensive Mora (or any knife, really) that's worth getting are the laminated moras. But only if you know how to handle knives, as they're thinner and thus easier to snap if you mess up. They can be ground much sharper though, and stay sharp longer too.Or go chad mode and buy just the blade (mora sells them), stonewash or blacken it if you want to and make your own handle.