Are knives unnecessary for backpacking?
Unpopular opinion: not really.Every thread on here and most other outdoor forums people sperg the fuck out about knives. "Hurr durr you gotta get a good fixed blade bro". It's 95% autism. Are knives useful tools? Sure but for your average person doing some day hikes or some overnights a cheap walmart folder will do everything you need, which honestly isn't many things. If you're going hunting, fishing or even long distance and thru hiking a $20 mora will do 99.999% of the jobs you'll come across.
>>1980852Oh shit I misread OP, whatever you get the point.
>>1980845Those are some terrible designs.
>>1980852>I'm fucking pissed that people talk about and spend money on tools!
>>1980856>sages name field
>>1980858Lol where did I say I was bothered by it? Go back to a gear thread consumer.>>1980861Sage goes in every field is a meme older than you faggot.
>>1980863>tools>Consumer memeK, bud
>>1980852>A (cheapest version) will do everything fine 99.9999% of the time You Could apply that to literally everything Including all your gear
>>1980863You sound pretty butthurt
>>1980865Lol how many hundreds of dollars did you spend on your meme EDC knife that only gets used to open Amazon boxes champ?
>>1980873I have more than one knife. But my edc is an Inkosi and a Compact . My box opening knife is an old benchmade. One of those Taiwan made ones.
>>1980879ESEE master race reporting in
>>1980883I like their designs but they are heavy. Not many stainless options.
Yes, I’ve been backing my whole life and never once brought a knife
>>1980852The only thing you need for long distance hiking is something like a Victorinox Classic or a Leatherman Micra. Cutting toe nails or oddball shaped pieces of leukotape with a fixed blade is tricky.
>>1980869My gear isn’t cheap because it’s well made and light.
One folding knife is all you need. Anything $20 will do. But I mean if you go hiking and feel like you cut more than you thought, get a nicer knife or something.I wouldn't call them unnecessary, I use mine literally every trip. but I only do shit like sharpen sticks or make a fork or other dumb stuff. If I liked making traps or shit I'd probably want a bigger knife.
>>1980869I've brought cheap shit from china and regretted it.I wouldn't say you need the best of the best but something decent enough, to many people on this board are quick to shill for Chinesium cheap for some reason.
>>1980984Shills, buyer's remorse, parroting some eceleb, ignorance, larping, all the above.
>>1980845NoYou need a bladed tool when /out/. It's why literally all cultures developed them and used them /out/. It only needs to be a $10 Mora or Opinel, but the need is there and just as important as other safety items.
>>1980952Do u have Aspergers?
>>1980984i have a 300 dollar custom fixed blade idk you are telling me about chinesium. I would never buy a factory made fixed blade.
>>1981026Looks like shit. No lanyard hole. Jeesh, you got robbed.
I take my opinel hiking with me, but I mostly use it for cutting slices of cheese.
on long hikes and camping trips i probably use my nail clippers more than my knife lmao.
>>1981034Lol stay mad with your esee 4
>>1980845Dude get a nice pocket knife and call it a day.For the money, kershaw, crkt, kizer, spyderco, or zero tolerance are all fine.If you're doing heavier work you need a 5-40$ hatchet not a 300$ knife.
I carry a knife everyday. It's weird there's guys saying they don't. Even women carry knives when the go out.
>>1980845If you're somewhere cucked and can't own or otherwise carry guns (More like too afraid to break the law) Carry a fat ass knife. Want a utility tool just in case so you can do whatever the fuck you do with knives, carry a big fuck off knife. Like bro, just get a fixed bladed knife you like to look of and put it on your belt.
>>1980845>Are knives unnecessary for backpacking?Is it necessary for me to drink my own urine? No but it's sterile and I like the taste.
>>1980845you should always have a knifenot just backpacking always
>>1980845They are necessary but >>1980852 is right, cheap folder or mora will suffice in allmost cases.But if some hippy faggot tells you they are unnecessary, he's a retard.I need a knife even to prep a goddamn ramen soup.>T.ex-knife hoarder
>>1980845Knives are always necessary in every situation.
>>1980845only if your british
>>1980845Yes it's unnecessary, you can get by just fine without it unless you go fishing/hunting and want to cook the stuff on the spot.
>>1981309I AM AZELDA DO BE WAREI AM GUANMERCIAM GUAN YIN
>>1980900You ever try the carbon? For an EDC, it’s not bad at all. I think I would have issues if I left it in my tackle bag for 6mos but as an EDC I just slide it thru the sharpener every week or two plus a drop of 3-in-1 and I haven’t had issues.
>>1980845yep. machetes perform better.
>>1980845I've carried an Opinel 4 for over 500 miles and never used it. I recently pre ordered a bark river bushcrafter 2 since I've begun harvesting mushrooms and my friends don't like to hike as much as sit by a fire. So it'll be used for wood processing. Knives are certainly a meme if you keep your fire small.
>>1981364>Knives are certainly a meme if you keep your fire smallFacts.Pic related was made without knife usage.
>>1981369>place fire onto grasyou whities are nuts
>>1981372>cold as shit>wet>dew Yeah very dangerous indeed.
>>1981369in what world does making a fire require a knife
>>1981372I know it must be hard not having discovered fire yet and everything.
>>1981383I take it you haven't seen bushmeme youtube videos then.
>>1981396I mean I make firesticks or whatever they're called sometimes but mostly I either use various dry crap that lies around or the tinder that I bring with me so I don't have to bother making firesticks
>>1981418You use dry crap lying around but bring your own tinder?
>>1980845Have never met someone who carried a knife who wasn't a larper.
if no knife then tweezers. I have a small opinel that's light and perfect for everything except batoney chop chop
>>1980863>Sage goes in every field is a meme older than you faggot.Not him, but I've been here long enough to remember when retards starting posting that. It used to be one of many ways to spot a newfag or redditor. Not even angry because at this point it's not even the same website and I'm 30. Just being informative. Sage used to go in the email field. Now it goes in the options field since there is no email field anymore.
>>1981478Then you dont go outside
>>1981478I wouldn’t go that far. I’d say it’s like a 80/20 split with fix blades. 100% if they have it mounted upside down in their shoulder, hanging from their neck, or wrapped the handle in paracord.
You need a good knife if you're an outdoorsman but a good knife is literally a mora. Anything much fancier than that is a larp.
>>1981552Scandi grind is ass. I give moras to people I think are retarded, along with beacons so if they get lost pooping at night i can come wipe their ass for them
>>1981549Yeah, any knife with a paracord handle will turn into a disgusting grimy piece of shit after one use outside of the house.
>>1981563How did you keep the handles so clean (don’t bother answering; we already know).
>>1981566Then I can replace it, or do whatever I want
>>1981569That'a combination of bad camera quality and me having the sense to clean the handle doofus
>>1981563>he doesnt know about scandivexscandi grinds are great slicers, just add a convex microbevel to give it more toughness and dont abuse the shit out of it like a retard
>>1981026This is the gearqueer equivalent of /fit/'s >roiding for this. Seriously, regardless of what steel was used, that is not $300 worth of craftsmanship. I'm sorry dude. I'm sure it's a good knife, but>SPOONDing for this
>>1981582You're really retarded those are scandivexed look at the more used one in the back
A knife is something so easy to carry that it seems strange to argue about it's necessity. Most people will never actually need a knife unless they purposely seek activities like bush crafting but I would still rather have one and not need it, than need it and not have it. You won't even notice a small knife in your pocket, let alone in a pack.
>>1981026That looks like hot garbage
>>1981566>UpdateThe most avid outdoorsman i know hunts with one of these
>>1981376>doesn't know the basics of fire safetytowniecuck be gone
>>1981784I embarrassed they replied to me. Cididot who tosses foil into the fire and starts forest fires. Total bro.
>>1981563And on queue a larper emerges from the darkness of his moms basement.
>>1981789> Cididot who tosses foil into the fireNever baked a potato before, huh?I suppose you drag a full 5 piece cast iron skillet pots & pans and a dutch oven in your pack all the time.
>>1980845If you can get by without one, that's fine, I like having one mainly for food prep, bushmemeing and the occasional hobo stabbing.
>>1980852How else will you defeat your enemies with a flurry of quick jabs?
Nothing is necessary...But a knife makes your life easier and you should probably take one into the woods.Those big monster knives are fucked, but you already know I LARP with one from time to time because it's fun.I usually bring a smaller knife though, just something to use on food. Pic related is great for processing fish if you don't wanna carry a dedicated fillet knife.
>>1981591Price it by the hour it is.
>>1981026Those coke bottle shaped handles look comfy, reminds me of handles William Collins likes to put on his knives, I even wondered if it was one of his.
>>1981990Here's a similar thing for a similar price. Observe how this one doesn't look like hot garbage.
>>1980845>can you avoid the need for a knife for a couple days?Yes. >will having a knife improve your comfort?Also yes. I carry a larger fixed blade for batonning and an opinel for food prep, works for me. Allows me to do comfy camp meals and maybe I'll try out Yuru Comf meals next time.
>>1981951lulz. My pack weight ranges from 5-10lbs. Imagine not doing food prep before you go so you don't have to carry a fucking potato. Neck yourself.
>>1981784That fire was safe alright, babydoll.
>>1981034Lanyards are designed specifically to get in the way when using the knife.
>>1980845Always have a knife. Always have a way to make fire.
>>1980845They are until you want a knife.Considering the small size and weight of a full size multitool, just carry one. I like multitools because pliers and knives and screwdrivers are great to have.
>>1980984Why buy chinkshit when mora exists?
>>1982333trips for this COMPANION
>>1982209Weebs are disgusting.
>>1981566They’re also uncomfortable and non-ergonomic, making them less stable and therefor more dangerous. It really was a dumb fad. You lose a ton of functionality and gain nothing.
>>1982530You can put scales on them.
>>1982242Imagine doing all that food prep just so you have more time to fap , fucking coomers.
>>1982302You've never been fishing huh?
>>1982685I laughed. You'll spend more time fucking with that damn potato than I put into repackaging.
>>1982687based broadsword chad
>>1982530You gain control, balance, arguably a more solid if less comfortable grip. I wouldn't use for wood but I don't process wood in the woods with tools. I use dead wood and break it on my knee or on rocks like a caveman. If you cant get through it that way burn it in half
>>1982727So for the several thousands of years that humans have been using knives with ergonomic handles they’ve been doing it wrong?
>>1982333This.You can find a pretty decent gear at reasonable prices but they always seem to go on about how great their cheap chinesium crap is so amazing, it almost seems like a point of pride.
>>1982000I had a mora for a while and i looked at other heirloom type fixed blade but this is the only one that appealed to me.
>>1982693>>1981640>>1981591>>1981034Post knives and post last time you went out
>>1982765People have been using skeletonized knives for thousands of years too
>>1982039Nothing wrong with either in my eyes.You probably got a better deal though lol.
D2 tool steel blade.
>>1982685Tell 'em, bro.
>>1982811Yeah, if the knife is used as a fashion accessory.
>>1982978These were called "knifr" and were actually the most common tool, the only knife every cast, including slaves, were permitted to carry. Everyone had one
>>1983116Yes, it was a symbol and not a usable tool.
>>1983194You are literally a retard
You should always bring a knife...and a towel.
>>1983194You dont think the slaves were using their only knives?
>>1980845for just backpacking? yes.
>>1982795Actually, I take it back it doesn't look that bad to me.
>>1980845you'll think it's unnecessary until it is necessary
>>1983325Can you explain a real-world scenario and not some make believe what-if stuff?
>>1983330If you know your gear and you have gone backpacking a few times you shouldn't need a knife. You won't have to cut any guylines, baton wood and other meme bushcraft shit. There is literally no reason to carry anything other than pic related and its essentially a meme in itself. God gave you hands and a brain.
>>1983330>>1983349I don't get how citidiots do it. They just literally sit there for minutes trying to open a bag and think that's normal. It's amazing how their brains are conditioned.
>>1983355This has to be the worst buzzword so far. You should just say what you mean instead.
>>1983358Thanks for proving my point.
New esee family knives i havent heard anything about yet. Dpx heats used to be really expensive and in s30v but this is rowan 1095 and affordable. Dpxs other rowen 1095 stuff has always interested me but its too expensive for what it is, these are only 75$$
>>1983358Who the hell can't open a bag? They are all pre torn you retard. Using a knife to open a mountain house is compensation for your small wiener.
>>1983330Self defense is not a fantasy situation. I will stab a mountain lion in the asshole
>>1981563>if they get lost pooping at night i can come wipe their ass for themDoes wiping their ass seem to clear up their sense of direction?
>>1983473you will think things out better when your not thinking about taking a shit
>>1980863>staying 18+ years on this site Yickes
>>1983390>rip open bag>shit goes flying everywhereno thx
>>1982795is that a coalcracker?
>>1983505You're here forever, retard.
>>1983505>me startet in 2005>witnessed the first post on /out/
>>1983355Is that a”no”, or are you saying it’s impossible to use your teeth so a Victorinox is a necessary item?
>>1983618So you are retarded. Can't even open a prenotched bag without spilling out the contents. What's it like not being normal?
>>1983764Yes its a bushcracker >>1983320Its only really a 225-50 dollar knife with a 50-75 dollar sheath
>>1983349There are a fuck ton of reasons to have a knife, even with a died setup.>Go fishing and we'd to clean your catch>Buddy's strap breaks, cut paracord for temp fixLiterally needed it for both of those on my last camping trip alone, not to mention the convince for opening things, enjoyment of whittling, etc.
>>1983390I didn't actually say anything about how you open your bags Anon. I just object to people herping and derping and shouting about citidiots and cucks and simps and whatever the fuck the latest bullshit is. Like you say, life would be a lot simpler if people just tore down the perforated bag without being retarded. And if they just spoken English, or any other language for that matter without being retarded also. It's a funny time we live in I guess.
>>1983971nigger cididiot simp. KYS.
>>1983994You would never say that to anyone in person pussy boy
>>1984005Covid is perpetual summer
>>1981078He's right though. It does look kinda shitty. I rather take an Esee 4 over your. Did you wipe the blade down with 80 grit sand paper?
>>1983385>>1981549>>1980883I was gonna get an esee for my birthday. but the price is putting me off.but now I realize its just the price of an ontario rat 3 plus a kydex sheath.I really didnt know the sheath was half the cost.how are they and are there any other fixed blades to be looking at? esee's kinda got taken over by LEO's and I fucking hate cops.
>>1984129Get an izula. You will not regret it. Forget the politics. I have tested izulas under extreme extreme conditions like sledgehammering them into trees and standing on them, then slowing hitting it harder and harder till it finally broke. They bend like 90° and snap back straight it's crazy. I probably hit it with the sledge 15 times. And I had to ramp up and hit it extremely hard to break it. Then I shot it with a shotgun. Then I sent it to esee and got a new one for free. If you get the tan cerakote you can also larp as a fremen from Dune
>>1983997I'll come call you a nigger right now.
>>1984151No you wont I'll put a leash on you and make you lick my hands and you're gonna like it
>>1984129Get a 3hm with kydexif you want a 3, or get the three, but you should know it comes with plastic and not kydex. It's good plastic but the 3hm has really nice kydex and is a better "out" knife handle
>>1980845just a good pocket knife like benchmade is enough for me. im not gonna take a whole fixed blade out when i go innawoods. whats important to me is space so i can have more space for water
>>1984153Where are you from? I'll start heading there now simpy. I won't make you lick anything of mine cause i'm not a faggot like you nigger boi.
>>1984161Baton Rouge professor dumb
>>1984157What do you think makes it better? In my experience the HM handles and the regular ones are about the same comfort wise, the HM just looks more 'bushcrafty'.TKC do some really nice handle scales that are like the 3D Esee ones.
>>1980845you don't need any of that meme tacticool consoomer shit but a good pocketknife should just be part of your EDC
>>1984157>3hmhuh?is that a different esee 3?>>1984147not gonna lie have you seen that boker that looks like a wrench? its pretty sex. drop forged.
>>1983814>What's it like not being normal?says the autistic homosex no-knoife commie shill
>>1980863It didn't go in all fields though.
>>1984218The 3hm has a completely straight, plain handle and comes in a leather sheath instead.The regular 3 has the little nub and swell on the handle for ergonomics. As I said above it's mostly just to appeal to the bushcraft crowd.
>>1984166I'm about 3 hours away. Meet me at Pawnee Street Park nigger.
>>1981494Remember when you had to put noko to stay in a thread?
EDC? I mean unless you live in the jungle, why?
>>1981494hahaha talking bout reddit when there was none pos
>>1981026You’re delusional, literally a finalist in the alone in the Arctic series has a mora companion with her that costs $10.
>>1984712I use a Leatherman S2 all the time because I have a job that can’t be done at home/outsourced to India, and sometimes I need a small pair of needle nose pliers and can’t be bothered to go to my toolbox.
>>1981369>Making fire right in Dry grassthe fuck is wrong with you?
>>1980852I agree about the Mora, but I strongly disagree about the cheap walmart folder. If you're going to carry a knife, it should at the very least be decent and sturdy enough that it doesn't just fall the fuck apart or snap.
>>1984166You weren't there dumb nigger.
>>1985456Did you really come all this way just to suck my dick? You thirsty huh?
>>1984698I miss /z/