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Talk about states, post your rankings:
https://mapchart.net/usa.html
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Why didn't you post the official map OP?
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>>1978997
>>1979001
>CA that high
>VT same as NY
>PA that low
>midwest lower than fucking RI
Every time this trash gets posted it triggers me. Obvious this list was either made by someone in CA or some Euro going by Instagram posts.
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>>1979006
CA is a great state for out. You have desert, high mountain, forest trains and everything in between. Just live in the north and don't talk to anyone.
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>>1979015
CA is the same as NY. Great if you ignore the huge cities.
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>>1978997
>>1979001
Texas has great outdoors, who the fuck makes these
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>>1979020
Californians who don't even go /out/ in California
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>>1978997
MI deserves higher due to the UP, or the UP should be ranked separate from the Mitten.

Also MN being the same rank as Wisconsin is insulting to the North Shore and the Boundary Waters.
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>>1979020
Texas has almost no public lands is it's major drawback

but morons that lack logic make these, look at Tennessee and North Carolina being so disparate despite East Tenn=West NC (literally the same mountain ranges)

>>1979006
Cali has ocean, deserts, high peaks and old growth forest, main draw back is it's Cali

NY has the Adirondacks and the Catskills, and northeast NY is just as forested/remote as VT, frankly if NYC didn't exist it would be the better /out/ state

PA has no good summits, no real coastline, and is infested with city slickers

those states are pretty shit in terms if /out/ and RI has the ocean, might be able to bump up Nebraska and Oklahoma but Iowa, Illinois, and Kansas absolutely deserve that ranking.

I'd argue SoDak needs to be higher rated, the badlands and black hills are fantastic places to hike and camp and the normies are only passing through so you don't see anybody 5 minutes past a trail head.
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>>1979042
another revision where I bump Arizona up

I'm struggling with Maine, I feel the lack of dumbasses from the city compared to NH should bump it up but NH has better mountains, but Maine also has great coast and ass loads of completely uninhabited but it also lacks the eco diversity of the other states it'd be in the tier with. it's a tough question
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>>1979042
what makes indiana so shit?
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>>1979035
$12 gets you a pass into all of the fairly unmanaged public land TWPD has that’s not part of the State Parks system. While some of those are really 100% hunting land, many of them are open for primitive camping, fishing, hunting, etc.
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>>1979139
Hit enter too quickly. Point is, folks complaining about TX lacking public land generally haven’t even spent a damn moment looking for it.
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>>1979020
No it doesn't.
>Hurrr durrrr we can go shoot some boars
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>>1979140
>>1979139
shush i like my wmas empty
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Feel like I should be bashing these autists for underrating the flatlands but really don’t want the coast and mountain fags to come here.
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>>1979052
>I'm struggling with Maine
I'd put Maine right up there, because of the coastal estuary ecology. It doesn't have as much of the AT as the inland states, or many famous mountains relative to its size.

But the borderland areas where forest, river, marsh, and beach all come together is IMO one of the best /out/ environments in the world. Marsh mud (perfect for washing) and shellfish are readily available, seawater cleans wounds better than anything, lots of comfy and good-smelling cedar and pine, many activities like fishing and birdwatching. Big problem is that any random water may dehydrate you to an unknown degree.

FYI, the inter-tidal borderlands are some of the most ecologically diverse niches on earth, which is why most of them are designated conservation areas. Coastal camping never seems to get the same exposure as mountain camping for some reason.
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>>1978997
this maps sucks
What was the criteria?
I live in Indiana and I am out all the time.
9 Free to use state maintained rifle and archery ranges. Easy access to shooting. hunting, trapping, fishing, canoeing/boating, hiking trails, running trails, mountain biking trails

320 square mile National forest, National lake shore. 4 National parks, 20 state parks...
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>>1978997
ITT: OP posts an elevation map
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>>1979035
>PA has no good summits
Okay. You all can keep believing that if it means keeping you away.
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>>1979001
>TN
>low tier
Whoever made this clearly never goes outside
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>>1979033
Mitten has good stuff too but not the southern portion. Live between Walloon Lake and Little Traverse Bay, couldnt be more beautiful.
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>>1979052
UP > LP though for sure.
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>>1979573
Brown people. That is PA.
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>>1979006
NY, VT, NH and Maine should all be the same desu. Maybe NY and Maine getting extra credit for its coast
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>>1979598
2/3 of the state suck. e tn 4 eva
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>>1979573
>implying a plateau is the same as a summit
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>>1979565
This is a better representation, I have lived all over the southeast, eastern TN is the best /out/ I've been so far.
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>>1978997
>Washington not immediately below Alaska
you've never been deep in the Olympics or north cascades have you.

pic: 15 mile, 5000 foot trek to america's most remote undeveloped hotspring on the slopes of glacier peak
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>>1979615
You're an idiot. NY is a hellhole except for the Adirondacks.
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>>1979752
your point? this is /out/, not >>>/pol/
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>tfw Alabama
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>tfw MD
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>>1979680
>implying all of Pennsylvania is one big plateau when even the map provided as evidence shows otherwise
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>>1979752
>only mountains and muh elevation are worth visiting
>completely ignores waterfalls, gorges, massive lakes, wildlife and birding areas, lots of free camping in the state forests, tremendous fishing opportunities, etc.
Oh well. One fewer outsider idiot I need to deal with here in the Southern Tier.
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>>1979752
Nah, you're an idiot. The finger lakes have cool stuff, the hudson highlands have some great trails, the catskills have some spots, and there's a giant seashore. You should try actually going outside or going back to your board
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>>1978997
>it only counts if you’re hiking
Non-fishing, no gun faggot without a kayak detected.
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Surely Michigan can't be that bad with the great lakes?
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>>1979895
If I were from Michigan, I'd be glad the OP and others constantly underrate the state so it doesn't get overrun with normies. The remoteness of upper Michigan also helps in this regard.
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>>1979876
New England has all that minus the shithole part.
>>1979878
Unless you're including historical sites no you're an idiot.
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>>1979899
I'm from Colorado, but I would love to see Michigan one day and I dont know why, nothing about it particularly attracts me aside from the great lakes and what beautiful spots I could find meandering all around it.
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>>1979598
Pretty much
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>>1979042
>Lower Peninsula higher than da UP
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>>1978997
vermont and maine are really that shitty?
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>>1978997
>Iowa
>Shit tier
God it hurts so much
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>>1978997
Illinois isn't that bad.
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>>1979962
No, they are peak New England /out/, these niggers have never been to vt/nh mountain or Acadia
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>>1979999
Quads confirm, VT/NH/ME trifecta is peak /out/
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>alaska
>50% mosquitos
>50% ice
proof you faggoty nerds don't know shit, stay in your basements and rot
Really, what are you going to do after climbing to the peak of the highest mountain in your region? Climb it again? Focus on bioengineering and space tech, and map alien planets if you're really /OUT/
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>>1979999
You don't have mountains.
t. lives in the Sierra Nevadas
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>>1980013
NE mountains have better secenery since they're covered in forests and dotted with small towns and coasts rather than desert
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>>1980031
Shut the fuck up fag
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>>1978997

OR is dope. Only 2 state troopers on duty for 4,200 sq mi of Lane County. Can shoot, blow shit up, get shitty on old logging roads on Weyerhaeuser or BLM land and mag dump on old logging roads. Burn pallets, shoot tannerite, elk hunt. Fuckin everything. I fucking love it here and will never move away.
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>>1979947
fucking this. as a lower resident the u.p. is far superior.
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>>1978997
>MO
>3
Mate our conservation dept competes with Alaska every year for the number one Conservation dept out of all 50 all the maps in this thread are fucking shit.
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>>1978997
Not sure why WV or fucking Minnesota (a pointless state) would rank higher than the Ozarks or Texas. Shit tier map.
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>>1980141
WV is mountain+forest kino
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>>1979911
>Unless you're including historical sites no you're an idiot.

it's okay to admit that you are scared of water and you've never actually been to the places you're trashing. carrying on this way isn't making you look good tho
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The DEFINITIVE map.
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>>1980175
>California
>Terrible

I hate California as much as the next guy, but if you're trying to say they don't have some of the most beautiful landscape in the country, you need your eyes checked.
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>>1979999
>>1980002
Shhhh. NH, VT, ME are all shit. Don't travel there and especially don't move there.
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>>1979680

>tfw grew up in the "Reading Prong"
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>>1979001
PA and Tn getting a 2 makes whoever made this map a complete retard.
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>>1980175
How can delaware be bad when it's 15 minutes away from good states
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>>1979001
Nevada should be higher
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>>1980283
>15 minutes away from good states
exactly, delaware has absolutely nothing to offer other as a state itself
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>>1979001
>North Dakota above Tennessee and Pennsylvania
>Florida above Virginia and West Virginia
>Alaska less than a point above California
>California above Wyoming, Colorado and Washington
>Wisconsin equal to New Hampshire and Maine, and above Vermont
>Minnesota equal to South Dakota
Shut the fuck up retard.
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>>1980141
wv is ranked lower because you have to share the place with wv posters
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>>1979111
Wondering this as well (IN native). The southern half of the state, and Pokagon up north are really pretty. I think it's just because nothing is incredibly far from populated towns/cities so it's not considered being "/out/"
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>>1979561
Is dunes national park worth going to? I grew up in east-central indiana and haven't been back up there since it was just a state park.
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>>1978997
>IL
>Shit tier
Shawnee National Forest plus Starved Rock, Sand Ridge, South Fork, Marseilles Cliffs, and the many many man-made lakes - particularly Lake Shelbyville should at least put IL as lower tier.
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>>1980050
Not him, but seethe.
t. North Idahoan
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>>1979561
>320 square mile National forest
That's basically a glorified park at that size.
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>>1980175
What a shit map. Right on the good states, wrong on the "terrible" states.
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>>1980436
these maps are always just about hiking, ultimately. there's pretty great outdoors shit to do in literally every state. Some just have more diverse ranges of options.
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>>1980450
This map was probably created by someone who hasn't been to 2/3rds of the states mentioned and is just guessing.
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>>1980452
safe to assume that for all of them.
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>>1980175
>>1980184
>>1980283
>>1980297
>>1980446

Revised edition. Feedback encouraged.
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>>1980277
wtf i love reading
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>>1980588
>I’ve never gone hunting, don’t own a fishing pole, don’t know what kayaking is, and will one day be a real woman
-the map
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>>1980588
This is a map of political bias, not actual /out/ experience.
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>>1980588
utah, oregon and arizona aren't worse than those eastern states, m8
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>>1980602
What states would you recommend changing based on hunting, fishing, or kayaking? My /out/ experiences are largely limited to hiking and camping in the North East and South West.

>>1980633
TX/CA, NY/WY, CT/NV, etc. all beg to differ. Point out legitimate instances of political bias and I will adjust the map accordingly.

>>1980639
Changed OR and UT to "Great." Currently live in AZ -- /out/ is decent in certain areas and shit in others. Northern AZ is overbuilt and full of chink tourists, Southern AZ is 110 degrees for a good chunk of the year with no water. I don't think it stands on the same level as its Northern counterparts. If enough people disagree with this take, I'll adjust AZ.
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>>1980599
no you dont
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>>1978997
How can SD be so low. You can be in the badlands, an incredible desert biome, and hike for miles, then drive another 40 minutes and be in incredible mountains in the black hills.
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>>1980711
And New Mexico
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>>1979035
>I'd argue SoDak needs to be higher rated, the badlands and black hills are fantastic places to hike and camp and the normies are only passing through so you don't see anybody 5 minutes past a trail head.

Same with NoDak. No Black hills but the Badlands and the Missouri make for great out and very few people
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>>1979878
Also- access to 2 great lakes, southern tier is pretty cool.
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>>1979943
is that BWCA? Voyageurs?
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>>1980031
>dotted with small towns
yea the rockies suck. (sarc)
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>>1980667
>Northern AZ is overbuilt and full of chink tourists
Central AZ is way overbuilt, the only places in northern AZ that are overbuilt are Sedona and Prescott, while the Rim and Show Low have a lot of summer houses that are unoccupied for half the year.

AZ district 1 has more land area than the entire state of Florida with less than 800,000 people living in it and it doesn't even include most of Mohave, Yavapai county nor any of Cochise county. The chink and jap tourists do not wander very far from their tour buses and only hang around the south rim of the GC. Pretty much the only things that makes AZ cool is massive climate differences, good gun laws (for now), and the 11.25 million acres of national forest, 7th most in the US. Everything else about the state kind of sucks or is average though.
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>>1980132
Shhh. Let them think it's shit.
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>>1980599
Parts of Berks County are fine.

I was just reacting to the region being called the "Reading Prong".
It's a very strange, and vaguely lewd, name.

I do miss the Duryea Hill Climb races... but I don't live that coast anymore.
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>>1980441
As someone who grew up and spent 19 years there going to all those things you liated: no it shouldn't. FUCK IL and its irredeemable outdoors activities. Once I saw what awesome places were like I couldn't ever go back.
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>>1980064
Don't know if you're a rafter, but if you ever get the chance to do the Rogue, do it. Incredible trip.
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>>1980667
Not to harp on it again, but California is at least in the not bad category, if not great category. Also, Ohio I would say is at least okay, but to be fair you gotta know where to look (Mohican, Whipps Ledges, Cuyahoga Valley, Hocking Hills) but I may just be biased since I live here.
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>>1981035
any comfy picks for hikes/scenic things in between wv and michigan (wheeling/marietta roughly)? Looking for things to do on a future trip.
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>>1981035
Can you name three great places in California that are more than an hour and a half from a city of 300k people?
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>>1980667
Nevada has some great areas not sure why it's so low. Also missouri is low key a very good out state
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>>1978997
>>1979001
t.west coast fags
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>>1981108
Cry more. East coast is an overcrowded shithole.
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>>1981112
>west virginia
>overcrowded

no

inb4 dolly sods on weekend pic
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>>1979740
Got more? Looks dope
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>>1979752
NY is paradise except for NYC and Albany. 2 Great Lakes, tons of state land not including the expansive Adirondacks, Fingerlakes, Catskills, Hudson and St Lawrence rivers, tons of gullies and waterfalls. If not for the blue city dragging it down it'd be an undeniable 7 to anyone who has never been here.
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>>1979001
California is god tier we just don’t want you ugly broke fucks to find out because nothings worse than seeing out state people visiting. We also pretend we want to visit your shit state to try and discourage you from coming here
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>>1978997
Why do all of you bitches hate the midwest so much?
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>CA great
>run like absolute ass
>liberal shithole
>zero gun rights
>insane taxes
Disregarded your whole shitty map
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>>1979140
texas has great outdoors, issue is it's super far west at least 8 hours from where everyone lives
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>>1978997
>>1979001
>stuck in IL
Get me out of this God damn shit hole, Jesus christ
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>>1979943
omg...i'd love to go kayak camping in a place like this
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>>1978997
>>1979001
Why is Nevada so low? Great Basin, Red Rocks Canyon, Cathedral Gorge, Fly Geyser, Lake Tahoe, and the Valley of Fire all look beautiful
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>>1980758
Pretty much this. I understand rating AZ lower than states with natural bodies of water if you want that variety, but even without it, there's lots of riparian land and plenty of man-made lakes, so outside of ocean or glacier type of options, it's a small gap that is more than made up for by the density of other astounding features and unique environments.
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>>1980667
like 99% of these maps, this one sucks dick
here's a decent one
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>>1981615
Maryland has more water than any other state yet retards rate texas higher when the only thing it has are desserts full of dead illegals
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>>1978997
>MO
>Low tier
Idk man, we have tons of public land, great hunting, cheap COL, not bad taxes, decent sports, if you care about that. My city has three colleges and a university.
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>>1981662
The people that make these maps a millennial cityots who are afraid of guns and water, it's all about the instagram picture spots
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>>1981254

posting more god tier California /out/
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>>1981680
If you want a map based solely on hunting and fishing and not general quality of /out/ then go ahead and make one
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>>1981108
>>1981118
stay mad DC shitter
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>>1981650
Why not just post pic related
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>>1981686
are other states even trying?
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>>1981686
hnnnnnnngggg
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>>1979899
>>1979912
Michigan is great 2/3rds of the state is completely unpopulated. Great forests, lakes, and big lakes.
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>>1981686
whats that more CA out you say???...you got it
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>>1980667
Why is New Mexico terrible? Have you been to the north?
pic related, Carson National Forest
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>>1981687
>general quality of /out/
Like I said - Missouri has tons of public land. So, even for that, this map isn't very good.
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>>1981687
>Water is only used for fishing


I present to you the cityot
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>>1979876
>waterfalls, gorges, massive lakes, wildlife and birding areas, lots of free camping in the state forests, tremendous fishing opportunities, etc.
Indiana and ohio are better for that
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>>1981553
I have a job interview tomorrow on the phone for NV. It looks like an underrated state IMO. I am a geologist and hoping to get the job. They have like 6 types of native trout. The map is wrong. PA is a fantastic /out/ state if you actually enjoy the outdoors. Fags need "muh instagram views" instead of enjoying a different type of scenery.
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Illinifag here. The state indeed fucking sucks for out /out/ing; what little natural land still exists is fucking impressive but the boomers decimated the entire state because we the prairies gave us the most fertile soil on the planet. They drained the swamps, ground up the tubers and left less than one onehundredth of one percent of historic prairieland.

Places like Apple River canyon, Starved Rock, Garden of the Gods, Illinois Beach state park, and the Midewin National tallgrass prairie are all worth visiting, very unique locals all for their own reasons, but those are basically all the scraps that the boomers left us.

The state is so interesting, we're at the confluence of 2 vast rivers, we've been glaciated more than any other state, we have both arctic flowers and cottonmouth snakes, and our prairies were were biodiverse, impenetrably dense and oceanic in spread, and corporate faggots just had to grow their corn here.

Nobody else cares about the state but me, and it's my dream to buy up as many failed cornfields as I can and repopulate the land with native scenes.
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>>1981650
whats that little blue part in ND?
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>>1981849
probably roosevelt national park
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>>1979602
seconded, UP should be up there in light green
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>>1979001
>WA not 9
You faggots really dont get out much do you?
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>>1979999
Quads of truth. Acadia is top tier
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>>1981911
washington can go eat a bag of dicks for all I care
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>>1981701
shhhhh, all the underaged /pol/tard thinks it's like regular mexico, but they don't need to know
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>>1981929
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>>1979912
stay in Colorado, we don't need you shitting up our roads.
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>>1979986
t. Never left the state
I moved from central IL to AZ then to Washington. Cant believe how neglected I was of proper /out/ growing up.
IL belongs in bottom tier of the US 100%
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>>1978997
Iowa is tight, just sucks there’s no national parks.
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>>1980132
I'm from Rolla, but MO is pretty generic for outdoors. The conservation department might be well run but this a thread for states with nice outdoors, not how the bureaucracy runs. MO gets absolutely shit on by most Western states.
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>>1980132

Let's face it, the fewer mapfags know about the Ozarks, the better.
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>>1982164

Everything in the east gets shit on by the west, not really the point. Missouri is unquestionably the best of the lower midwest and easily holds its own with the Great Lakes states. The Ozarks is one of only two /out/ oases in the center of the country, the other being the Black Hills much farther north. With multiple national forest districts throughout the bottom 2/3s of the state, endless conservation areas, free-entry state parks, lots of lakes and rivers, relaxed gun laws, low pop density outside the two major cities on the western and eastern borders, low COL, and mild winters, it's a fantastic jack-of-all-trades.

That said, none of that should be interpreted as an invitation.
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>>1981787
indiana is not better than NY for that, you're insane.
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>>1981062
Shasta, lost coast, mt whitney, lots of the Sierra's, the entire north. Good effort out of you tho
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>>1981259
Only one of those has to do with outdoors. And if that's enough to change it, then every landlocked state missy also be lower.
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>>1980667
florida should be goat
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>>1981183
yes i do
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>>1981933
i had a bag of dicks last night
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>>1982237
They all have to do with the outdoors
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>>1978997
>PA that low
PA is a shithole as soon as you get near any form of civilization but the nature is beautiful and there's a lot of it.
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>>1982274
PA is pretty heavily farmed and suburbanized, there's not so much left
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>>1979740
ive lived in both washington, specifically in the olympics, and Idaho. Wa is good and all, but not on par with alaska, or even Idaho.
Also, Wa hotsprings are garbage when compared to idaho/Montana/Wyoming hotsprings

Pic related: 2 hours off roading to trail head of 10 mile hike to this hotspring paradise
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>>1982314
Above the red line is an 8/10 if you have dopamine in your brain.
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>>1982269
only in your mind.
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Looking for an /out/ career, or at least a career in an area of the country/region where I can live in /out/ or near /out/. Comfy village vibes in Maine and NH but its pretty liberal
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>>1978997
One of the reasons the east is rated so poorly on these maps is because the states are much smaller.
Imagine if PA+NJ+NY+New England was all one state. That would put it around the size of the larger western states like Montana. Once you match the size fairly, you're left with definitely a much higher tier out state. The whole region is heavily forested, 4 national forests, and a whole bunch of other very large publicly accessible areas (PA wilds, Adirondacks, Maine northwoods and more). On top of that you have a wide array of environments from the great lakes to the Atlantic ocean, there's tons of different mountains and plenty of forest and even unique ecosystems like the NJ pine barrens.
So adjust for size and the smaller states of the east don't look too bad
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>>1982533
>One of the reasons the east is rated so poorly on these maps is because the states are much smaller
that is true, but one other thing the map doesn't take into account are the east (and west) coast's insufferable faggots
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>>1982533
I would argue that states like Montana and Colorado should get dinged a few points for their large boring sections in the east that hardly anyone considers in these state rankings.
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>>1979023
Californians who can’t even go /out/ in California*
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>>1982314
The northern counties are still pretty rural. Sadly the Poconos are being lost
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>>1981787
This is retarded.
>waterfalls
Show me one waterfall in OH/IN that matches Niagara, Taughannock, Kaaterskill, Lucifer, Salmon River, OK Slip, and hundreds of others scattered around Upstate NY. The cities of Rochester and Ithaca alone trump both of those states combined.
>gorges
What's OH/IN's answer to Ausable Chasm, Watkins Glen, Letchworth, Zoar Valley, Niagara Gorge? Hocking Hills and what else?
>lakes
New York has two Great Lakes, the Finger Lakes, Lake Champlain and many many others. You can watch a west coast esque sunset at Lake Erie State Park. And then there's Chimney Bluffs which OH/IN have no answer for (please don't say Indiana Dunes lol)
>wildlife
New York has a much wider variety of mammal and bird species, and even whalewatching spots in NYC. Ohio and Indiana don't even have bears (pic related).
>camping
Way more public land in NY including state forests where dispersed camping is permitted. Especially in the Southern Tier where there are state forests everywhere.
>fishing
New York consistently ranks higher than Ohio and Indiana with world-renowned lake trout, salmon, bass, catfish, steelhead, musky, I could go on and on

New York >>> Ohio > Indiana in the above categories and I won't get started about mountains or oceans because you have none!
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>>1982556
forgot to add pic
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>>1982056
Hahaha that's the first time I've ever seen someone complain about Coloradans
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this map sucks. arkansas is great for the outdoors. sorry we don't have muh mountains.
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>>1982268
Oh I bet you did
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>>1982539
Eastern Montana has world class hunting and fishing, instafag
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>>1982697
coloradans are the cut from the same californian cloth as all the other post-modern urban centers. The old guard citizens are extremely based, but by now the majority population in colorado, since the influx of californians predominantly, are Last Men
t. Illinoisian currently living in Colorado
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>>1981650
Great map, at least in terms of knowledge of the UP. East is alright but West is literally God Tier
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>>1982697
I've seen Wyomingites complain about Coloradans plenty, asking why so many of them visit Wyoming's mountains when CO has higher mountains of their own.
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>>1982708
Born, raised on the Western Slope. Illinoisans are up there with Californians and Texans, absolutely dismantling the culture here. At least California and Texas are sending people who actually know how to /out/ not just midwest larpers who think mountains are *pReTTy* and eat their weight in pasta salad.
>>1982777
I can assure you nobody will ever care about the opinion of anyone from Wyoming.
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>>1982820
I was born in Colorado, too, faggot. Don't worry, I'm only here a short time, I prefer the plains. You shouldn't get uppity, your state is already on its way. Denver is a hellhole and at the rate its going the rest of the state will follow. Just look at how many gay little mountain towns and ski resorts pop up, with suburban fucks building mcmansions on every mountainside.
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>>1980141
mn is higher because they have SHIT ton of sandstone caves you can explore
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>>1979015
fellow nor caler?
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>>1979598

Only East TN matters
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I need an /out/ friend to do shit in socal. Trying to work back into shape and refresh my knowledge. End goal is doing a stalker challenge in agua tibia since its apparently red forest tier according to the ameri/k/a map
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>>1979006
The entire east coast is all private land and small mountains. You asshole deer hunt shoulder to shoulder on 30 acre parcels like fags.
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>>1979139
I have been looking for wild camping in TX but have only found the national forests and BLM land that you cant even find on a map. Am I just dumb? What's going on here?
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>>1981650
Seems like a great map but
>Cook County IL is good tier
how?
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not American but why is California so high? why Vermont so low? I know black flies are shit and all but I love the wilderness of Vermont.
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>>1982164
fair enough but as other anons have stated its one of the few decent /out/ states West of the Appalachians & East of the Rockies that is in the midwest because otherwise the midwest is pretty shit. Also the ozarks are pretty great besides the fact that the lake is now filled with boomers and new money yuppies. Mark Twain forest is pretty good and the sheer amount of free use conservation areas the Dept has set up is such a bonus compared to other states conservation dept sites and the Ozarks is where I plan to retire deep into the wilderness.
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>>1978997
Literally all America is top tier
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>>1981269
everything in Texas is 8 fucking hours from where you live
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>>1983100
not just cook county, if you're ever in the area you should check out the numerous forest preserves and grasslands that dot the area. Waterfall glen, the forests in and around palos, the morton arboretum has tons of fantastic trails that most people don't reach in the back (and it's the best place in the world if you're a botanist). I'm a fan of Busse Woods because that area of the state is bog/fen country with fantastic tamaracks, an enourmous bird population and they're reintroducing elk.
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>>1981650
Southern Illinois should be changed to at least decent tier because of the Shawnee National Forest
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>>1981004
What the whole fucking thing?
I live 5 minutes from a boat ramp on the rogue, it's cool but always way too crowded.
I did have an osprey or something catch a big ass fish(think it was a steelhead) right in front of my raft one time. It was pretty sweet.
I've only lived here for 6 years and I do overall like it, it's just a lot more expensive than where I used to live (OK).
I'll have to say Oklahoma deserves to at least be up one tier.
There's a lot of lakes and deers and bears all over if you are a hunter.
Biggest downside is the weather which can be brutally hot or cold and also very wet and sparky, or also very blowy and sucky.
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>>1983122
based
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>>1982824
>Just look at how many gay little mountain towns and ski resorts pop up, with suburban fucks building mcmansions on every mountainside

You've described the fate of every mountain state, not just CO
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>>1984059
I mean as far as central appalachia goes - deep creek lake (ski/resort area) seems solidly middle class - some larger homes - but not exactly all mcmansions - and same with snowshoe ski resort its more middle class

canaan valley is publicly owned and downright lower middle class its a comfy vibe altho I don't ski just hike

there's way more mcmansions in the exurbs closer to cities than in deep rural country here

I could be wrong but I don't think there's a secret rich part of WV with huge houses

what happens in the intermountain west and west coast is a bit different than central appalachia
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>>1978997
>mfw Mississippi
But why?
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>>1983105
Jesus christ that pic
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>>1981800
fellow illinifag
please make it end
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>>1981690

So then, Colorado is the clear winner. Which in reality actually holds up.





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