Talk about states, post your rankings:https://mapchart.net/usa.html
Why didn't you post the official map OP?
>>1978997>>1979001>CA that high>VT same as NY>PA that low>midwest lower than fucking RIEvery time this trash gets posted it triggers me. Obvious this list was either made by someone in CA or some Euro going by Instagram posts.
>>1979006CA is a great state for out. You have desert, high mountain, forest trains and everything in between. Just live in the north and don't talk to anyone.
>>1979015CA is the same as NY. Great if you ignore the huge cities.
>>1978997>>1979001Texas has great outdoors, who the fuck makes these
>>1979020Californians who don't even go /out/ in California
>>1978997MI deserves higher due to the UP, or the UP should be ranked separate from the Mitten.Also MN being the same rank as Wisconsin is insulting to the North Shore and the Boundary Waters.
>>1979020Texas has almost no public lands is it's major drawbackbut morons that lack logic make these, look at Tennessee and North Carolina being so disparate despite East Tenn=West NC (literally the same mountain ranges)>>1979006Cali has ocean, deserts, high peaks and old growth forest, main draw back is it's CaliNY has the Adirondacks and the Catskills, and northeast NY is just as forested/remote as VT, frankly if NYC didn't exist it would be the better /out/ statePA has no good summits, no real coastline, and is infested with city slickersthose states are pretty shit in terms if /out/ and RI has the ocean, might be able to bump up Nebraska and Oklahoma but Iowa, Illinois, and Kansas absolutely deserve that ranking.I'd argue SoDak needs to be higher rated, the badlands and black hills are fantastic places to hike and camp and the normies are only passing through so you don't see anybody 5 minutes past a trail head.
>>1979042another revision where I bump Arizona upI'm struggling with Maine, I feel the lack of dumbasses from the city compared to NH should bump it up but NH has better mountains, but Maine also has great coast and ass loads of completely uninhabited but it also lacks the eco diversity of the other states it'd be in the tier with. it's a tough question
>>1979042what makes indiana so shit?
>>1979035$12 gets you a pass into all of the fairly unmanaged public land TWPD has that’s not part of the State Parks system. While some of those are really 100% hunting land, many of them are open for primitive camping, fishing, hunting, etc.
>>1979139Hit enter too quickly. Point is, folks complaining about TX lacking public land generally haven’t even spent a damn moment looking for it.
>>1979020No it doesn't. >Hurrr durrrr we can go shoot some boars
>>1979140>>1979139shush i like my wmas empty
Feel like I should be bashing these autists for underrating the flatlands but really don’t want the coast and mountain fags to come here.
>>1979052>I'm struggling with MaineI'd put Maine right up there, because of the coastal estuary ecology. It doesn't have as much of the AT as the inland states, or many famous mountains relative to its size.But the borderland areas where forest, river, marsh, and beach all come together is IMO one of the best /out/ environments in the world. Marsh mud (perfect for washing) and shellfish are readily available, seawater cleans wounds better than anything, lots of comfy and good-smelling cedar and pine, many activities like fishing and birdwatching. Big problem is that any random water may dehydrate you to an unknown degree.FYI, the inter-tidal borderlands are some of the most ecologically diverse niches on earth, which is why most of them are designated conservation areas. Coastal camping never seems to get the same exposure as mountain camping for some reason.
>>1978997this maps sucksWhat was the criteria?I live in Indiana and I am out all the time. 9 Free to use state maintained rifle and archery ranges. Easy access to shooting. hunting, trapping, fishing, canoeing/boating, hiking trails, running trails, mountain biking trails320 square mile National forest, National lake shore. 4 National parks, 20 state parks...
>>1978997ITT: OP posts an elevation map
>>1979035>PA has no good summitsOkay. You all can keep believing that if it means keeping you away.
>>1979001>TN>low tierWhoever made this clearly never goes outside
>>1979033Mitten has good stuff too but not the southern portion. Live between Walloon Lake and Little Traverse Bay, couldnt be more beautiful.
>>1979052UP > LP though for sure.
>>1979573Brown people. That is PA.
>>1979006NY, VT, NH and Maine should all be the same desu. Maybe NY and Maine getting extra credit for its coast
>>19795982/3 of the state suck. e tn 4 eva
>>1979573>implying a plateau is the same as a summit
>>1979565This is a better representation, I have lived all over the southeast, eastern TN is the best /out/ I've been so far.
>>1978997>Washington not immediately below Alaskayou've never been deep in the Olympics or north cascades have you.pic: 15 mile, 5000 foot trek to america's most remote undeveloped hotspring on the slopes of glacier peak
>>1979615You're an idiot. NY is a hellhole except for the Adirondacks.
>>1979752your point? this is /out/, not >>>/pol/
>>1979680>implying all of Pennsylvania is one big plateau when even the map provided as evidence shows otherwise
>>1979752>only mountains and muh elevation are worth visiting>completely ignores waterfalls, gorges, massive lakes, wildlife and birding areas, lots of free camping in the state forests, tremendous fishing opportunities, etc. Oh well. One fewer outsider idiot I need to deal with here in the Southern Tier.
>>1979752Nah, you're an idiot. The finger lakes have cool stuff, the hudson highlands have some great trails, the catskills have some spots, and there's a giant seashore. You should try actually going outside or going back to your board
>>1978997>it only counts if you’re hikingNon-fishing, no gun faggot without a kayak detected.
Surely Michigan can't be that bad with the great lakes?
>>1979895If I were from Michigan, I'd be glad the OP and others constantly underrate the state so it doesn't get overrun with normies. The remoteness of upper Michigan also helps in this regard.
>>1979876New England has all that minus the shithole part.>>1979878Unless you're including historical sites no you're an idiot.
>>1979899I'm from Colorado, but I would love to see Michigan one day and I dont know why, nothing about it particularly attracts me aside from the great lakes and what beautiful spots I could find meandering all around it.
>>1979042>Lower Peninsula higher than da UP
>>1978997vermont and maine are really that shitty?
>>1978997>Iowa>Shit tierGod it hurts so much
>>1978997Illinois isn't that bad.
>>1979962No, they are peak New England /out/, these niggers have never been to vt/nh mountain or Acadia
>>1979999Quads confirm, VT/NH/ME trifecta is peak /out/
>alaska>50% mosquitos>50% iceproof you faggoty nerds don't know shit, stay in your basements and rotReally, what are you going to do after climbing to the peak of the highest mountain in your region? Climb it again? Focus on bioengineering and space tech, and map alien planets if you're really /OUT/
>>1979999You don't have mountains. t. lives in the Sierra Nevadas
>>1980013NE mountains have better secenery since they're covered in forests and dotted with small towns and coasts rather than desert
>>1980031Shut the fuck up fag
>>1978997OR is dope. Only 2 state troopers on duty for 4,200 sq mi of Lane County. Can shoot, blow shit up, get shitty on old logging roads on Weyerhaeuser or BLM land and mag dump on old logging roads. Burn pallets, shoot tannerite, elk hunt. Fuckin everything. I fucking love it here and will never move away.
>>1979947fucking this. as a lower resident the u.p. is far superior.
>>1978997>MO>3Mate our conservation dept competes with Alaska every year for the number one Conservation dept out of all 50 all the maps in this thread are fucking shit.
>>1978997Not sure why WV or fucking Minnesota (a pointless state) would rank higher than the Ozarks or Texas. Shit tier map.
>>1980141WV is mountain+forest kino
>>1979911>Unless you're including historical sites no you're an idiot.it's okay to admit that you are scared of water and you've never actually been to the places you're trashing. carrying on this way isn't making you look good tho
The DEFINITIVE map.
>>1980175>California>TerribleI hate California as much as the next guy, but if you're trying to say they don't have some of the most beautiful landscape in the country, you need your eyes checked.
>>1979999>>1980002Shhhh. NH, VT, ME are all shit. Don't travel there and especially don't move there.
>>1979680>tfw grew up in the "Reading Prong"
>>1979001PA and Tn getting a 2 makes whoever made this map a complete retard.
>>1980175How can delaware be bad when it's 15 minutes away from good states
>>1979001Nevada should be higher
>>1980283>15 minutes away from good statesexactly, delaware has absolutely nothing to offer other as a state itself
>>1979001>North Dakota above Tennessee and Pennsylvania>Florida above Virginia and West Virginia>Alaska less than a point above California>California above Wyoming, Colorado and Washington>Wisconsin equal to New Hampshire and Maine, and above Vermont>Minnesota equal to South DakotaShut the fuck up retard.
>>1980141wv is ranked lower because you have to share the place with wv posters
>>1979111Wondering this as well (IN native). The southern half of the state, and Pokagon up north are really pretty. I think it's just because nothing is incredibly far from populated towns/cities so it's not considered being "/out/"
>>1979561Is dunes national park worth going to? I grew up in east-central indiana and haven't been back up there since it was just a state park.
>>1978997>IL>Shit tierShawnee National Forest plus Starved Rock, Sand Ridge, South Fork, Marseilles Cliffs, and the many many man-made lakes - particularly Lake Shelbyville should at least put IL as lower tier.
>>1980050Not him, but seethe.t. North Idahoan
>>1979561>320 square mile National forestThat's basically a glorified park at that size.
>>1980175What a shit map. Right on the good states, wrong on the "terrible" states.
>>1980436these maps are always just about hiking, ultimately. there's pretty great outdoors shit to do in literally every state. Some just have more diverse ranges of options.
>>1980450This map was probably created by someone who hasn't been to 2/3rds of the states mentioned and is just guessing.
>>1980452safe to assume that for all of them.
>>1980175>>1980184>>1980283>>1980297>>1980446Revised edition. Feedback encouraged.
>>1980277wtf i love reading
>>1980588>I’ve never gone hunting, don’t own a fishing pole, don’t know what kayaking is, and will one day be a real woman-the map
>>1980588This is a map of political bias, not actual /out/ experience.
>>1980588utah, oregon and arizona aren't worse than those eastern states, m8
>>1980602What states would you recommend changing based on hunting, fishing, or kayaking? My /out/ experiences are largely limited to hiking and camping in the North East and South West.>>1980633TX/CA, NY/WY, CT/NV, etc. all beg to differ. Point out legitimate instances of political bias and I will adjust the map accordingly.>>1980639Changed OR and UT to "Great." Currently live in AZ -- /out/ is decent in certain areas and shit in others. Northern AZ is overbuilt and full of chink tourists, Southern AZ is 110 degrees for a good chunk of the year with no water. I don't think it stands on the same level as its Northern counterparts. If enough people disagree with this take, I'll adjust AZ.
>>1980599no you dont
>>1978997How can SD be so low. You can be in the badlands, an incredible desert biome, and hike for miles, then drive another 40 minutes and be in incredible mountains in the black hills.
>>1980711And New Mexico
>>1979035>I'd argue SoDak needs to be higher rated, the badlands and black hills are fantastic places to hike and camp and the normies are only passing through so you don't see anybody 5 minutes past a trail head.Same with NoDak. No Black hills but the Badlands and the Missouri make for great out and very few people
>>1979878Also- access to 2 great lakes, southern tier is pretty cool.
>>1979943is that BWCA? Voyageurs?
>>1980031>dotted with small townsyea the rockies suck. (sarc)
>>1980667>Northern AZ is overbuilt and full of chink touristsCentral AZ is way overbuilt, the only places in northern AZ that are overbuilt are Sedona and Prescott, while the Rim and Show Low have a lot of summer houses that are unoccupied for half the year. AZ district 1 has more land area than the entire state of Florida with less than 800,000 people living in it and it doesn't even include most of Mohave, Yavapai county nor any of Cochise county. The chink and jap tourists do not wander very far from their tour buses and only hang around the south rim of the GC. Pretty much the only things that makes AZ cool is massive climate differences, good gun laws (for now), and the 11.25 million acres of national forest, 7th most in the US. Everything else about the state kind of sucks or is average though.
>>1980132Shhh. Let them think it's shit.
>>1980599Parts of Berks County are fine.I was just reacting to the region being called the "Reading Prong".It's a very strange, and vaguely lewd, name.I do miss the Duryea Hill Climb races... but I don't live that coast anymore.
>>1980441As someone who grew up and spent 19 years there going to all those things you liated: no it shouldn't. FUCK IL and its irredeemable outdoors activities. Once I saw what awesome places were like I couldn't ever go back.
>>1980064Don't know if you're a rafter, but if you ever get the chance to do the Rogue, do it. Incredible trip.
>>1980667Not to harp on it again, but California is at least in the not bad category, if not great category. Also, Ohio I would say is at least okay, but to be fair you gotta know where to look (Mohican, Whipps Ledges, Cuyahoga Valley, Hocking Hills) but I may just be biased since I live here.
>>1981035any comfy picks for hikes/scenic things in between wv and michigan (wheeling/marietta roughly)? Looking for things to do on a future trip.
>>1981035Can you name three great places in California that are more than an hour and a half from a city of 300k people?
>>1980667Nevada has some great areas not sure why it's so low. Also missouri is low key a very good out state
>>1978997>>1979001t.west coast fags
>>1981108Cry more. East coast is an overcrowded shithole.
>>1981112>west virginia>overcrowdednoinb4 dolly sods on weekend pic
>>1979740Got more? Looks dope
>>1979752NY is paradise except for NYC and Albany. 2 Great Lakes, tons of state land not including the expansive Adirondacks, Fingerlakes, Catskills, Hudson and St Lawrence rivers, tons of gullies and waterfalls. If not for the blue city dragging it down it'd be an undeniable 7 to anyone who has never been here.
>>1979001California is god tier we just don’t want you ugly broke fucks to find out because nothings worse than seeing out state people visiting. We also pretend we want to visit your shit state to try and discourage you from coming here
>>1978997Why do all of you bitches hate the midwest so much?
>CA great>run like absolute ass>liberal shithole>zero gun rights>insane taxesDisregarded your whole shitty map
>>1979140texas has great outdoors, issue is it's super far west at least 8 hours from where everyone lives
>>1978997>>1979001>stuck in ILGet me out of this God damn shit hole, Jesus christ
>>1979943omg...i'd love to go kayak camping in a place like this
>>1978997>>1979001Why is Nevada so low? Great Basin, Red Rocks Canyon, Cathedral Gorge, Fly Geyser, Lake Tahoe, and the Valley of Fire all look beautiful
>>1980758Pretty much this. I understand rating AZ lower than states with natural bodies of water if you want that variety, but even without it, there's lots of riparian land and plenty of man-made lakes, so outside of ocean or glacier type of options, it's a small gap that is more than made up for by the density of other astounding features and unique environments.
>>1980667like 99% of these maps, this one sucks dickhere's a decent one
>>1981615Maryland has more water than any other state yet retards rate texas higher when the only thing it has are desserts full of dead illegals
>>1978997>MO>Low tierIdk man, we have tons of public land, great hunting, cheap COL, not bad taxes, decent sports, if you care about that. My city has three colleges and a university.
>>1981662The people that make these maps a millennial cityots who are afraid of guns and water, it's all about the instagram picture spots
>>1981254posting more god tier California /out/
>>1981680If you want a map based solely on hunting and fishing and not general quality of /out/ then go ahead and make one
>>1981108>>1981118stay mad DC shitter
>>1981650Why not just post pic related
>>1981686are other states even trying?
>>1979899>>1979912Michigan is great 2/3rds of the state is completely unpopulated. Great forests, lakes, and big lakes.
>>1981686whats that more CA out you say???...you got it
>>1980667Why is New Mexico terrible? Have you been to the north?pic related, Carson National Forest
>>1981687>general quality of /out/Like I said - Missouri has tons of public land. So, even for that, this map isn't very good.
>>1981687>Water is only used for fishingI present to you the cityot
>>1979876>waterfalls, gorges, massive lakes, wildlife and birding areas, lots of free camping in the state forests, tremendous fishing opportunities, etc.Indiana and ohio are better for that
>>1981553I have a job interview tomorrow on the phone for NV. It looks like an underrated state IMO. I am a geologist and hoping to get the job. They have like 6 types of native trout. The map is wrong. PA is a fantastic /out/ state if you actually enjoy the outdoors. Fags need "muh instagram views" instead of enjoying a different type of scenery.
Illinifag here. The state indeed fucking sucks for out /out/ing; what little natural land still exists is fucking impressive but the boomers decimated the entire state because we the prairies gave us the most fertile soil on the planet. They drained the swamps, ground up the tubers and left less than one onehundredth of one percent of historic prairieland. Places like Apple River canyon, Starved Rock, Garden of the Gods, Illinois Beach state park, and the Midewin National tallgrass prairie are all worth visiting, very unique locals all for their own reasons, but those are basically all the scraps that the boomers left us.The state is so interesting, we're at the confluence of 2 vast rivers, we've been glaciated more than any other state, we have both arctic flowers and cottonmouth snakes, and our prairies were were biodiverse, impenetrably dense and oceanic in spread, and corporate faggots just had to grow their corn here.Nobody else cares about the state but me, and it's my dream to buy up as many failed cornfields as I can and repopulate the land with native scenes.
>>1981650whats that little blue part in ND?
>>1981849probably roosevelt national park
>>1979602seconded, UP should be up there in light green
>>1979001>WA not 9You faggots really dont get out much do you?
>>1979999Quads of truth. Acadia is top tier
>>1981911washington can go eat a bag of dicks for all I care
>>1981701shhhhh, all the underaged /pol/tard thinks it's like regular mexico, but they don't need to know
>>1979912stay in Colorado, we don't need you shitting up our roads.
>>1979986t. Never left the stateI moved from central IL to AZ then to Washington. Cant believe how neglected I was of proper /out/ growing up.IL belongs in bottom tier of the US 100%
>>1978997Iowa is tight, just sucks there’s no national parks.
>>1980132I'm from Rolla, but MO is pretty generic for outdoors. The conservation department might be well run but this a thread for states with nice outdoors, not how the bureaucracy runs. MO gets absolutely shit on by most Western states.
>>1980132Let's face it, the fewer mapfags know about the Ozarks, the better.
>>1982164Everything in the east gets shit on by the west, not really the point. Missouri is unquestionably the best of the lower midwest and easily holds its own with the Great Lakes states. The Ozarks is one of only two /out/ oases in the center of the country, the other being the Black Hills much farther north. With multiple national forest districts throughout the bottom 2/3s of the state, endless conservation areas, free-entry state parks, lots of lakes and rivers, relaxed gun laws, low pop density outside the two major cities on the western and eastern borders, low COL, and mild winters, it's a fantastic jack-of-all-trades.That said, none of that should be interpreted as an invitation.
>>1981787indiana is not better than NY for that, you're insane.
>>1981062Shasta, lost coast, mt whitney, lots of the Sierra's, the entire north. Good effort out of you tho
>>1981259Only one of those has to do with outdoors. And if that's enough to change it, then every landlocked state missy also be lower.
>>1980667florida should be goat
>>1981183yes i do
>>1981933i had a bag of dicks last night
>>1982237They all have to do with the outdoors
>>1978997>PA that lowPA is a shithole as soon as you get near any form of civilization but the nature is beautiful and there's a lot of it.
>>1982274PA is pretty heavily farmed and suburbanized, there's not so much left
>>1979740ive lived in both washington, specifically in the olympics, and Idaho. Wa is good and all, but not on par with alaska, or even Idaho.Also, Wa hotsprings are garbage when compared to idaho/Montana/Wyoming hotspringsPic related: 2 hours off roading to trail head of 10 mile hike to this hotspring paradise
>>1982314Above the red line is an 8/10 if you have dopamine in your brain.
>>1982269only in your mind.
Looking for an /out/ career, or at least a career in an area of the country/region where I can live in /out/ or near /out/. Comfy village vibes in Maine and NH but its pretty liberal
>>1978997One of the reasons the east is rated so poorly on these maps is because the states are much smaller. Imagine if PA+NJ+NY+New England was all one state. That would put it around the size of the larger western states like Montana. Once you match the size fairly, you're left with definitely a much higher tier out state. The whole region is heavily forested, 4 national forests, and a whole bunch of other very large publicly accessible areas (PA wilds, Adirondacks, Maine northwoods and more). On top of that you have a wide array of environments from the great lakes to the Atlantic ocean, there's tons of different mountains and plenty of forest and even unique ecosystems like the NJ pine barrens.So adjust for size and the smaller states of the east don't look too bad
>>1982533>One of the reasons the east is rated so poorly on these maps is because the states are much smallerthat is true, but one other thing the map doesn't take into account are the east (and west) coast's insufferable faggots
>>1982533I would argue that states like Montana and Colorado should get dinged a few points for their large boring sections in the east that hardly anyone considers in these state rankings.
>>1979023Californians who can’t even go /out/ in California*
>>1982314The northern counties are still pretty rural. Sadly the Poconos are being lost
>>1981787This is retarded.>waterfallsShow me one waterfall in OH/IN that matches Niagara, Taughannock, Kaaterskill, Lucifer, Salmon River, OK Slip, and hundreds of others scattered around Upstate NY. The cities of Rochester and Ithaca alone trump both of those states combined. >gorgesWhat's OH/IN's answer to Ausable Chasm, Watkins Glen, Letchworth, Zoar Valley, Niagara Gorge? Hocking Hills and what else?>lakesNew York has two Great Lakes, the Finger Lakes, Lake Champlain and many many others. You can watch a west coast esque sunset at Lake Erie State Park. And then there's Chimney Bluffs which OH/IN have no answer for (please don't say Indiana Dunes lol)>wildlifeNew York has a much wider variety of mammal and bird species, and even whalewatching spots in NYC. Ohio and Indiana don't even have bears (pic related). >campingWay more public land in NY including state forests where dispersed camping is permitted. Especially in the Southern Tier where there are state forests everywhere. >fishingNew York consistently ranks higher than Ohio and Indiana with world-renowned lake trout, salmon, bass, catfish, steelhead, musky, I could go on and onNew York >>> Ohio > Indiana in the above categories and I won't get started about mountains or oceans because you have none!
>>1982556forgot to add pic
>>1982056Hahaha that's the first time I've ever seen someone complain about Coloradans
this map sucks. arkansas is great for the outdoors. sorry we don't have muh mountains.
>>1982268Oh I bet you did
>>1982539Eastern Montana has world class hunting and fishing, instafag
>>1982697coloradans are the cut from the same californian cloth as all the other post-modern urban centers. The old guard citizens are extremely based, but by now the majority population in colorado, since the influx of californians predominantly, are Last Ment. Illinoisian currently living in Colorado
>>1981650Great map, at least in terms of knowledge of the UP. East is alright but West is literally God Tier
>>1982697I've seen Wyomingites complain about Coloradans plenty, asking why so many of them visit Wyoming's mountains when CO has higher mountains of their own.
>>1982708Born, raised on the Western Slope. Illinoisans are up there with Californians and Texans, absolutely dismantling the culture here. At least California and Texas are sending people who actually know how to /out/ not just midwest larpers who think mountains are *pReTTy* and eat their weight in pasta salad.>>1982777I can assure you nobody will ever care about the opinion of anyone from Wyoming.
>>1982820I was born in Colorado, too, faggot. Don't worry, I'm only here a short time, I prefer the plains. You shouldn't get uppity, your state is already on its way. Denver is a hellhole and at the rate its going the rest of the state will follow. Just look at how many gay little mountain towns and ski resorts pop up, with suburban fucks building mcmansions on every mountainside.
>>1980141mn is higher because they have SHIT ton of sandstone caves you can explore
>>1979015fellow nor caler?
>>1979598Only East TN matters
I need an /out/ friend to do shit in socal. Trying to work back into shape and refresh my knowledge. End goal is doing a stalker challenge in agua tibia since its apparently red forest tier according to the ameri/k/a map
>>1979006The entire east coast is all private land and small mountains. You asshole deer hunt shoulder to shoulder on 30 acre parcels like fags.
>>1979139I have been looking for wild camping in TX but have only found the national forests and BLM land that you cant even find on a map. Am I just dumb? What's going on here?
>>1981650Seems like a great map but>Cook County IL is good tierhow?
not American but why is California so high? why Vermont so low? I know black flies are shit and all but I love the wilderness of Vermont.
>>1982164fair enough but as other anons have stated its one of the few decent /out/ states West of the Appalachians & East of the Rockies that is in the midwest because otherwise the midwest is pretty shit. Also the ozarks are pretty great besides the fact that the lake is now filled with boomers and new money yuppies. Mark Twain forest is pretty good and the sheer amount of free use conservation areas the Dept has set up is such a bonus compared to other states conservation dept sites and the Ozarks is where I plan to retire deep into the wilderness.
>>1978997Literally all America is top tier
>>1981269everything in Texas is 8 fucking hours from where you live
>>1983100not just cook county, if you're ever in the area you should check out the numerous forest preserves and grasslands that dot the area. Waterfall glen, the forests in and around palos, the morton arboretum has tons of fantastic trails that most people don't reach in the back (and it's the best place in the world if you're a botanist). I'm a fan of Busse Woods because that area of the state is bog/fen country with fantastic tamaracks, an enourmous bird population and they're reintroducing elk.
>>1981650Southern Illinois should be changed to at least decent tier because of the Shawnee National Forest
>>1981004What the whole fucking thing?I live 5 minutes from a boat ramp on the rogue, it's cool but always way too crowded. I did have an osprey or something catch a big ass fish(think it was a steelhead) right in front of my raft one time. It was pretty sweet.I've only lived here for 6 years and I do overall like it, it's just a lot more expensive than where I used to live (OK).I'll have to say Oklahoma deserves to at least be up one tier.There's a lot of lakes and deers and bears all over if you are a hunter. Biggest downside is the weather which can be brutally hot or cold and also very wet and sparky, or also very blowy and sucky.
>>1982824>Just look at how many gay little mountain towns and ski resorts pop up, with suburban fucks building mcmansions on every mountainsideYou've described the fate of every mountain state, not just CO
>>1984059I mean as far as central appalachia goes - deep creek lake (ski/resort area) seems solidly middle class - some larger homes - but not exactly all mcmansions - and same with snowshoe ski resort its more middle class canaan valley is publicly owned and downright lower middle class its a comfy vibe altho I don't ski just hike there's way more mcmansions in the exurbs closer to cities than in deep rural country hereI could be wrong but I don't think there's a secret rich part of WV with huge houseswhat happens in the intermountain west and west coast is a bit different than central appalachia
>>1978997>mfw Mississippi But why?
>>1983105Jesus christ that pic
>>1981800fellow illinifag please make it end
>>1981690So then, Colorado is the clear winner. Which in reality actually holds up.