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what's a good pair of snow proof pants to go over over the baselayer and insulation layer?
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>>1964569
you're an absolute fucking moron. fuck off back to /pol/. you have no place here.
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>>1964570
Hehe, nobody cares about your gay thread, faggot.

Saged.
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So recently I've been wanting to make my fire pit nights a little more enjoyable. What's a decent kettle that I could either put directly in the coals or at least on some kind of little grill grate?
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>>1964659
>implying sage is a downvote
yep, time to go back
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>>1964767
Literally any stovetop kettle. Get one from the thrift store. "Camping" kettles are tiny and shitty as well as being overpriced.
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>>1964767
it just werks
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How to pack food for a 3d2n trip? I've never gone longer than an overnight before. I have a small gas stove. Also how do you was your pots and plates outdoor?
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>>1964996
>How to pack food for a 3d2n trip?
dry bag like pic related.
no need to get the super durable waterproof ones, get the thin silnylon stuff so you can roll it down and save space as you go through your supply

> Also how do you was your pots and plates outdoor?
if you're by a creek, rinse in the water and use gravel or moss to scrape out
if you're at a dry campsite, don't cook anything too messy and ration your water properly
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>>1964939
The issue I see with stovetop kettles is they all seem to have some sort of rubberized handle that I feel would melt sitting inches above a bed of red coals. I'll check out some local thrift shops though.
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>>1965006
Thanks but I guess my question also includes what kind of food to bring, I'm thinking canned beans for the most part and sandwiches for day1 of the hike.
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>>1965037
i gotchu senpai
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>>1965037
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>>1964554
STop making these fucking QTDDTOT threads you cancerous faggot. You are not even asking a real question, you are just thinking up some shit to start another one of these fucking threads
Shit head
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>>1965040
Damn that looks decent. maybe I'll watch it before I go
>>1965039
Thanks man, instant rice and some salami and I could do a fried rice.
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>>1964554
snow bib of most kinds pretty solid. For non-insulated pants, I was looking at the Level 6 ECW milsurp ants, which are patagonia 2.5 layer goretex?, and the OR foray pants but those are not like 3 layer goretex and would be more suited to incidental snow contact. like im camping in snow but not playing in snow. 3 layer would def handle that better but that's also money.
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>>1965040
>backpacking in milk
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>>1965040
This is really fucking good!!

>>1965073
I guess you can substitute milk with powdered milk, like coffe creamer.
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oh fuck another stupid question is can you do a 3d2n trip with a 38l bag? i had it for overnights before but never a 3d trip. I think my sleeping bag is taking too much volume and i'm very tight on space for food and water
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>>1965184
It depends entirely on the gear you own and the weather you expect.
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>>1965040
Who the fuck is bringing chopped vegetables and bacon in a bag along with milk?
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>>1965344
>Who the fuck is bringing chopped vegetables and bacon in a bag along with milk?
I bring fresh veggies and meat all the time in the winter
the only thing unusual is the milk, but like >>1965167 said you bring powdered milk, or use a knorr alfredo side

Are you so creatively bankrupt that you believe the only food you can eat when camping are mountain house meals and MRE's?
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Is shovelling the snow from the sidewalk /out/?
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After about five or six miles of hiking, the soles of my feet become quite sore. Is this a sign that I need better shoes? I've experienced this with every sort of boots, running shoes, and hiking shoes I've ever worn. Would some sort of insole help?

I've never heard anyone else describe this problem. Are my feet just weirdly shaped?
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>>1965564
try liner socks underneath good wool socks first

>I've never heard anyone else describe this problem. Are my feet just weirdly shaped?
it's was a pretty popular topic in the past on /out/, people try all sorts of things like leukotape, duct tape, foot powder.
But i guess nobody on /out/ goes outside anymore these days
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>>1965622
>liner socks
Didn't realize this was a thing. I will try it.

>leukotape, duct tape, foot powder
My problem isn't chafing or blisters or anything like that. Just soreness from repeated impact.
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>>1965642
>Just soreness from repeated impact.
you got misfitting shoes? or walking on sharp rocks with shitty thin-soled trail runners?
If it's not abrasion (which liner socks and leukotape solves) then that would be the other explanation
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>>1965645
I've experienced this in every sort of footwear any time I walk continuously for more than a few miles.

Boots, thin soled running shoes, thick soled trail shoes, even sandals.
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>>1965672
You may have plantar fasciitis or a similar inflammation issue like tendonitis on the instep. try stretching calves before walking or different insoles.
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hi /out/, how do i get over my crippling fear of the dark scary wilderness at night? ive spent way too much time reading scary /x/ tier shit and horror stories on /b/. every time i go camping, i get zero sleep because im up all night scared shitless of spoopy shit outside my tent, or weird wood spirits watching me as i lay in my bag. i know im making this a bit of a silly post but i genuinely am fucking scared of being out in the woods, even if im with people. every time i go /out/, i feel like im hypersensitive to the aforementioned creepy shit "out there". i went on a hike not long ago and was about 2 miles in all by myself and literally all sound stopped, hair stood on end and there was just a fucking uneasy feeling so i bitched out and turned around. Why am i such a pussy? do the spirits of the forest just know im sensitive to shit or something? id like to take my kids camping but worry I'll be a big pussy in front of them and i can't have them see me be a pussy, so..
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>>1965716
read pic related and make sure to check the Ord
Vägg every night
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>>1965722
no i know all about based grandpa anon and the tomtenisser (butchered spelling). im serious, i recently moved to a rural area and plan on camping a lot but i need to get over the fear of the unknown out there. at least enough to fucking shrug it off and sleep
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>>1965184
>i had it for overnights before but never a 3d trip
if you've used it for overnights the only thing you're really adding is 1 day's more food and maybe an extra pair of underwear

the jump from day trip to overnight is substantially more gear than the jump from overnight to multi-day
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>>1965032
how high should an external frame sit on your back? i just swapped my frame out for a lighter one i found on craigslist for $10 and now its sitting really high like pic related but i think it might actually feel better this high, haven't hiked in it so not sure how it'd feel X miles in
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>>1965642
I used to get muscle pains in the bottoms of my feet when I started skating and I mean really bad but they went away I always just assumed it was my feet and muscles getting used to a new type of movement so I powered through it
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>>1965733
make friends with the ghoulies
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>>1965733
>>1966277
For real though I used to feel the same but not to the extent you do but I realised very soon that I was in more danger living in a house in the city then I ever have been going hiking or camping
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How to get into orienteering /out/? I'm probably oing to be getting a suunto and the book "Be Expert with Map and Compass" to get me started. That's most of what has been recommended to me anyways. Is that enough to get me started?
I'm looking for a second opinion
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>>1964942
I have the 1.6 gonna get the .775
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>>1965642
You need stiffer soles. I hike this 20+ miles and I’m good with salomon xa ultra but not with altra
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why does /out/ dislike dave?
he seems really intelligent and seems to know what hes talking about and doesnt engage in shilling/consooming/recommending unless it seems like a serious W for wilderness trips.
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>>1966098
>how high should an external frame sit on your back?
it shouldn't, the weight should sit on your hips

>>1966399
>I'm probably oing to be getting a suunto and the book "Be Expert with Map and Compass" to get me started. That's most of what has been recommended to me anyways. Is that enough to get me started?
lmao yes, why would you doubt that recommendation?

if you really need to be handheld you can pay REI some to learn fewer things but pay more money
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My girlfriend got me an expensive Fjallraven parka. I know little about the brand. Will this thing survive camping and the outdoors? Or does it just look good.
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which size Esbit tabs are the best for a Toaks 550 ultralight cook system? I see they come in different weights with 14g being a standard. Thank you in advance for the replies.
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>>1965347
>Are you so creatively bankrupt that you believe the only food you can eat when camping are mountain house meals and MRE's?
This cracks me up. I'm in NZ, so it's easy to get a few days out of fresh meat.
The look of confusion as I throw a steak, eggs and veggies on to cook while other people are adding hot water to their noodles is priceless.
Yeah it's heavier. But I'm eating steak and eggs while you're having noodles.
And people get to wake up to the smell of bacon and eggs.
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Looking at survival/combo guns for small game. Of the model 42, ar7, m6, and Chiappa badgers, the double badger in 20ga/22 looks like the most versatile and has the features i want, if a bit heavy. The izh and model 24 are probably out due to availability/price. Any thoughts or experiences anons can share? I think 410 is not optimal. If double badger isn't the one may look at a 22 only. Rabbits, squirrels, pheasant, quail.
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>>1966944
20 gauge with a changeable choke allows me to take game at different ranges and big game down the line which is nice.
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>>1966742
>it shouldn't, the weight should sit on your hips
the weight is on my hips because of the kidney strap, the backpack is still on my back though. weight being on my hips doesn't mean the pack isnt on my back
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>>1967091
to clarify, im talking about the pack on the frame. my remounted pack is sitting higher on the new frame than it did on the old frame, probably by 6 inches or so. i was thinking today i might drill some new holes in it and mount it a bit lower.
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>>1966897
>My girlfriend got me an expensive Fjallraven parka. I know little about the brand.
it's pretty fashionable and good for taking insta photos, so it'll be good enough for her purposes
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>>1967132
Damn, she bought it for me after my last hunting trip because I was cold. Guess I'll wear it until it dies and not tell her.
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>>1964554
Is the Patagonia Calcite jacket worth its price tag?/any recs for good outer wind and waterproof layers that'll keep me dry
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>>1967629
so I'll take that as a no I should get some arc'teryx bs
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>>1967645
wtf are you even talking about kike
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>>1965529
Sure as long as you mumble batonny chop chop while doing so.
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>>1965564
Might be flat foot, get your feet checked by an orthopedic shill.
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I’m almost 30 and have never really had anyone to advise me in life. I have almost zero credit history which leads me to relying on owner financing. I have like $2500 to put down and around another $5000 currently to put toward building materials. Currently live in WV but halfway want away from here. I love it but I’ve burned a lot of bridges and made more than a few enemies and kind of want a fresh start. Hobbies include mountain biking, hunting, and fishing so proximity to these things is ideal.

I’ve found a 3.5 acre plot here that meets my requirements but it’s in one of those weird HOAs and I’d like to avoid that, as there is a build minimum and I can’t setup my wall tent to live in while I build a small cabin. Any advice on finding something similar? Or did I find a golden nugget and I should just go ahead and jump at the opportunity? I’ve searched all national listing websites but it’s all really overwhelming and I have no idea WTF I’m doing.
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>>1967807
honestly ask >>>/diy/ they would be better prepared to answer these kind of questions

people on /out/ don't even go outside, let alone build their own cabins
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>>1967807
Hoas are generally an immense problem and to be avoided at all reasonable costs.
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>>1967851
Fair point. I’ll ask there tomorrow. Thanks m8
>>1967865
I agree but these restrictions don’t look awful, for now. Fees are roughly $50 a year, most of the rules are “don’t camp for more than 7 days,” “don’t leave an unattended vehicle for more than 14 days,” etc.

The hardest one for me is the 750sq foot building requirement with a natural siding (no vinyl, etc) which is fine, mostly.
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How do I learn basic /out/ skills? I'd like to get in to hiking/camping but it seems like the kind of thing you need to know how to do before you do it.
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indian herbology of north america
botany in a day
natgeo birds of north america
trees of my stare
the foragers harvest
natures garden
incredable wild edables
book of lost remides

hmg what other books should i need?looking for mushrooms ,gardening,fpraging ,raising animals,natral local animals,and other things like how to preserve food without mpdern tech,making things for cheap instead of buying over priced shit.im in texas if that helps
also my carrots are still strugleing,its been for weeks and tjey barely have tjere second pare of leaves
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Is driving in snow difficult? I'm going up to my brothers cabin in Jackson Hole in mid February and i'm going to have to drive all the way there from houston, which doesn't bother me, but I know that once i'm there i've heard shit about driving in snow can be difficult. In Houston we drive through monsoons daily during the summer but I know it can be different

I'll be driving a car(coupe) up there and I don't know shit about driving on chains, and when I should put them on or even if I should purchase them, etc.

Can I just wing it?
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>>1968895
honestly >>>/o/ will be able to give you better recommendations

>>>/o/23350813
>>>/o/23358392

>>1968895
>In Houston
lol no buy yourself a set of winter tires, you gonna die if it's your first time and you're on no-season tires
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is it still camping if you're reading furry porn in the tent???
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>>1968900
Winter tires? Fuck, that is gay, thanks though you basically answered my question
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>>1968895
>Is driving in snow difficult?
Short answer : yes
Longer answer : it's something you learn and will become second nature. But until then, drive sloooooooow and think about your moves well ahead of time.
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>>1968895
>Can I just wing it?
Sure, just drive a car that already has body damage, and stay under 25 so you're not injured in the crash.
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What's a good way to prevent buttcrack chafing if you have a super hairy ass crack?
I'm fine on short hikes, but the longer ones are killing me.
Please help.
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>>1968972
Same thing you use on baby asses, talcum powder.
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>>1968979
I feel dumb for not thinking of this. I'll try it out.
Thanks.
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>>1965037
Canned sardines, especially in olive oil. The absolute best food imo, have that with some rice or bread and you got all your macronutrients satisfied for the meal.
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>>1968972
>>1968979
Aye, it's called the swass and it plagues many. Baby powder is the fix.
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Sorry to add another fear post to the thread but if I can’t get my hands on a gun atm is pepper spray the next best thing I can do for self defense? Fear of other humans is the main thing disincentivizing me from a solo overnight trip.
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>>1970167
No need to be a dick man :(
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>>1970165
Pepper spray is not effective, especially against someone pumped up and ready to murder/rape/eat you.
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>>1965564
I had this issue could be caused by a few things (flat foot, high arch, slippage in boot, plantar fasicties). Either way here are several items to check and do:

1) Stretch you feet and toes. Extended them curl them, etc.

2) Get good socks-I have some Darn Tough and UnderArmour socks.

3)Match shoes/boots for terrain.

4) add insoles-I use Orange Superfeet E because it gives me the most arch support. I have high arches, but also my arch is further forward than if I used the size correct one. Experiment before trimming. I got help at a local run shop.

5) check lacing. Make sure it supportive or not too tight. Readjust after walking for a few miles.

6) proper aftercare. Soak your feet, lotion, rub, etc.

Good luck anon.
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>>1965344
You must be new to outdoors.
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>>1970325
Well I can’t really put off going on solo trips so I guess I’ll just bring some anyway and accept the risk of rapemurder.
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>>1967807
Im sure there're places in the US you could do what you're looking for, but i know of a guy in Canada whos making a house and trying to get it as self reliant as possible. Also, like the other anon, I'd recommend /diy/ over /out/. Don't know how it is in WV, but there's a hell of a lot of private land in Maine where you probably won't have to worry about any weirdness
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do you guys know anything about charcoal hand warmers, i found some charcoal sticks for one laying around, but i can not find the actual warmer.
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>>1970783
not worth it, white gas ones work better and fuel costs less.
My zippo runs 18 hours with 1 fill, charcoal will only last 6 hours per stick.

>b-but how do you refill
with the same white gas you use for your stove, or a mini 1-2oz nalgene
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I want to get a fixed blade knife, was thinking Morakniv
Which model should I get? Is classic any good?
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>>1965040
Source? I've seen it posted before but don't remember it
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>>1964554
How do I break the habit of pulling my quilt completely over my face? My breath ends up causing condensation problems.
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Are /out/ women made or found?
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>>1970988
you could cut a lil mouth/nose hole
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>>1970165
even a gun cant protect you while you sleep. stop living in fear.
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>>1968895
they often wont let you go over passes without chains or a 4x4 vehicle with snow tires. snow is no joke and its idiots from the south that get in wrecks every time. get chains and go slow, but dont stop.
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>>1970988
If you are cold get a balaclava, or neck gator to sleep with.
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>>1971024
Well southerners aren't any worse drivers, dumbfuck yanks just don't know our weather, the reason you see southerners slipping and sliding is because snow rarely if ever falls with just snow, I was in Louisiana a few years back and we got 7-8" of snow, and I had a jeep with 37 mud tires and I was still slipping and sliding all over due to a ice sheet right under the snow

with the same jeep and same tires I drove through colorado just fine while it was pissing snow and without chains or anything, didn't slip once. Anyone can drive on snow, it's just the ice part that gets you, and if there's a shit ton of ice, well you're fucked unless you got studs or damn good chains
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>>1971111
>7-8” of snow
>Louisiana

Doubt.
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>>1971119
https://www.wafb.com/story/37029541/historic-snow-event-closes-out-2017/
Northern Louisiana gets a little bit of snow, but I still don't know what the fuck happened that day, it just started snowing and didn't stop
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>>1968895
Bruh I’m from NOLA and drove up Mt. Hood in November while visiting friends for Thanksgiving. We went to check out Timberline lodge and the other couple decided to be degenerates and take drugs so I was driving. You can ski year round up there, and my dumbass showed up to the lodge in jeans and a sweatshirt because it was like 55° in Portland. There was like a foot of snow around the lodge, people on snowboards and shit. I guess they plow the roads; they weren’t nearly as bad as the surrounding areas. Everyone pulled their wipers up off of their windshields so they wouldn’t freeze in place, which is a completely foreign concept to me.

Anyway it wasn’t that bad.
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>>1964554
Is there a point to snake skins if you’re not in a hammock?
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I see that Belgium has a no camping law, you can stay in bivakzones if you do the trail but only two are open now due to covid. How bad is the camping law enforcement?
Anyone have experience with just taking your bag, parking near a forest and just enjoying a day of walk and the view then setting up camp for the night and disappearing when the morning comes?
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>>1965073
Works in winter, and Rin is also doing it in winter.
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>>1965716
Get right with god, or align your chakras or juat stop being a shitty person. Work on your physical fitness and capability. Look into the lighter/good side of X you know spirits etc if you know what i mean dont go always down the negative dark rabbit hole theres good ones too, become proficient with weapons and carry them. Its a process but what did you think nig you'd be able to just put on an amulet or some shit?
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Heading out for an overnighter tomorrow. 32km aka 20mi in total there and back. Haven't walked that far in years. Any tips for my feet? Got some nice thick socks and strapping tape. I'm thinking the return will be worse than getting there.
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>>1967646
Ignore that fag, just jelly he cant afford shit and doesnt even admit or hint at what he uses, if anything.
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>>1971423
Preemptive moleskin or band-aids on any hot spots, hope your boots are good and fit well.
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Looking for a good bug out bag recommendation, wanting to make one for my other half was thinking something smaller like attached. Or should I go with an osprey?
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What are some good pants to wear outdoors? I feel like jeans aren't a good choice but maybe they are, I don't know.
I have a pair of quick-dry pants too, but I can't remember the material they're made of. They're thin and light and probably only good for summer.
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weston #8 meat grinder or kitchenaid meat grinder attachment? i already own a kitchenaid mixing device
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>>1971570
The best pants I ever found for outdoor wear were from mountain hardwear, made of a tough, but not thick canvas type material. I've been trying to find another pair like them for years. I could slide down a rock face in them without even pulling a thread.
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>>1970998
Made
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>>1971568
>bug out bag
>posts a school book bag
you have to be 18 or older to post here
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Looking for a good multipurpose tarp recommendation.
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>>1971367
this
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>>1971917
Cat-cut tarps will always be easier to pitch than flat tarps, but offer less coverage for the same amount of weight.

SilNylon is old and can stretch over night. It can also get water logged in long downpours. SilPoly is where it’s at.

Learn to make self-tensioning guylines.
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>>1971878
26, and it's not for me, not going to make my fucking GF use my extra 100L seabag you fucking ape
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>>1964569
fuck off nigger
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>>1965046
what sho?
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>>1965344
do you not pring potatos and shit nigger?potatos are steching shit you dumb fucking citdot
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>>1970415
we know its you tranny,
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>>1972062
at least get a jansport then so she might actually use it
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>>1972218
already have something similar, was trying to find something more durable
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>>1972235
I doubt she needs a super durable bag, anon.
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>>1970799
I mean i understand white gas is better, but i would like to use up these sticks considering my dad left me probably 200 of them. Would it be a better idea to use it as fuel for a twig stove?
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>>1965006
>>1965037
>>1965039
>>1965040
some ideas there https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGyt5axcq_yeBojI0o6Fhlg/videos?view=0&sort=dd&flow=grid
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how to keep skeeters off my willie while fapping out? ddt burns the scrotsac.
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>>1972569
i carry a small tent that i pop up and secure over my crotch area, there's one circular hole in it for my arm. it's not air tight by any means so a mosquito or two might still get in but it's better than what i was doing before. Now, if you're like me and enjoy seeing your penis while wanking you'll want to invest in a transparent tarp material. it's more expensive obviously but worth the price. However this has its negatives as well since the moisture/heat from wanking will fog up the tarp and lessen your visibility. I don't have a great solution for this and and as result try to keep my outdoor wanking sessions to 4 minutes or less. I mean I try to enjoy the outdoors when i get out anyways so i save the longer wank sessions for indoors.
i hope this helps
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>>1965733
stay up at night and catnap during the day. after a few nights of seeing what really happens at night you should chill out.
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>>1972318
well if fuel is free you might as well use a charcoal one, they're pretty neat after all

>Would it be a better idea to use it as fuel for a twig stove?
nah that would be a waste, besides the type of charcoal used burns slow and hot, but is small so will get used up quickly in a twig stove. If you've got 200 sticks you might be able to run it for a portable barbecue
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>>1972609
ok, do you have a suggestion for the actual hand warmer then? because I am pretty sure the one I found has asbestos and I do not want to inhale it
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>>1972638
for charcoal get whatever is available, stansport is name brand

for white gas zippo and peacock are good. The chinesium ones use a cheaper catalytic element which doesn't work as well, but you can replace the material with the artificial fireplace platinum catalyst for better efficiency
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>>1964569
fuck off
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what is a good way to roll a tarp, or fold, to keep it strapped to a backpack on the outside?
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I'm new to backpacking camping. Why do a lot of people pack Paracord? What are the most useful or common uses of it?
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>>1972131
>>1970975
Reverse google image search got me the show "Yuru Camp"
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>>1971586
>The best pants I ever found for outdoor wear were from mountain hardwear
You want a pair of these mate.
https://cactusoutdoor.co.nz/collections/mens-trousers/products/original-supertrousers-mens
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>>1973120
Drying things, shoe laces, fire starting, setting up tarp, lashing gear to pack, sewing, fishing, hanging bear bag, extra tent tie outs.
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>>1965716
Are you fucking 12?
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>>1966901
Any size. Overthinkers are funny
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>>1968197
Read through SAS survival guide
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>>1968972
Trim your hair mongloid
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>>1970951
If you have to ask, buy a cheap one $20
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>>1971570
BDU pants. Very comfortable, durable, cheap and many different fabric options
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>>1971917
Aqua quest safari
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>>1972569
Cot size bug net
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>>1972575
thanks bro! this is the kind of advice i come for here!
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as for headlamps, how many straps should a good one have? the ones that have one OVER the head or just one that is a loop around your head?
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>>1973396
I’ve only used single strap headlamps, and nothing huge and tactical, just a Black Diamond Storm for like the past 7 years. And I go on night hikes in the spring and fall, so it gets plenty of use. The extra strap seems extraneous, as I’ve never had a problem with a single. It’s like the people who designed it tried to solve a problem that didn’t exist. Ma
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>>1972798
>>1972781
But what about tarps?
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What is it called if i pack a backpack and just start walking north, stocking up on food in towns, filtering water when i find it, sleeping in a tent in the wild.
What word do i google to find guides and stories of this experience?
Because "backpacking" just turns up touristy stuff and "trekking" seems to be interchangeable with "hiking"
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>>1973503
It is backpacking, you will be a tourist. If you have to google guides on backpacking you're definitely not ready for that.
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Where can I find loadouts/infographics that I can use to organize a survival military training hike thing?

If it sounds too vague then let's assume I want to walk or ride alone on a bicycle a distance of 400-500 miles without having to spend money on food/lodging, staying entirely in the wilderness, without following trails for most of the time. I wanted to know what essential things and other useful stuff I should be packing with me.
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>>1973503
it's called "larping", because you've never done it and you never will
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>>1973503
skyrim with mods
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>>1973536
What would you need for a week long hike? Take those items and know how to fish/hunt for small game. Make your own "infographic" you lazy faggot.
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I have a 35F sleeping bag and don't really want to shell out more money for a sub zero one but am also going camping in some sub-35F areas. Would a 35F rated sleeping bag while wearing some warmies be enough or do I really have to pay the sleeping bag jew again?
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>>1973536
>Where can I find loadouts/infographics that I can use to organize a survival military training hike thing?
you could join the military
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>>1964554
what is the best boot style for ankle support? I'm a big guy and have very weak ankles, I sprain and twist them pretty much every single time I go out. I'm working on the weight but what's the best possible boot for ankle support that would allow me to do 15+ mile weekends with ~45 lbs on my back?
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>>1973536
what area are you planning on doing this?
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>>1973613
to add to this: i already have keen targhee iiis and they do the job reasonably, but not perfectly. figured i'd add in a pic too, i saw this handsome lad yesterday on the trail
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>>1973613
are you working up to the 15+ miles or just straight up trying to hit that right out the gate? i'd recommend just doing smaller stuff so your ankles can become naturally tougher. progressively increasing your hikes as opposed to wearing out an out of shape body will do more for your ankles than any boot could
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>>1973619
I actually have pretty fucking good cardio and can hack a 15 mile weekend relatively easily for being 220 with a 45 lb pack. It's just my ankles are completely shot and the more I sprain them the worse they are. I need boots that will provide maximum ankle support and preferably are good to go for very long hikes
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>>1973594
I'm above the age limit.

>>1973589
Looks like there is no other choice.

>>1973615
Mostly around the Alps and probably through the Alps for a while at some point too.
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>>1973621
ok in that case i unfortunately don't have much to suggest- i advised that because i've tried rucking like 8 miles without doing shorter hikes and it killed my joints/ankles. i have a pair of whites boots that are pretty solid- heavy for longer hikes and my ankles feel really secure in them. but i don't have ankle problems myself so i might not be the best judge for your situation.
and nice deer pic. only saw some nubbins this season personally
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Recs for a basic fire starter kit? I just took an altoids tin and threw some cotton balls, petroleum jelly, wood shavings, and a pack of matches. Anything else I should think about adding?
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>>1973656
two bic lighters as your primary

swap the matches with stormproof matches, keep those in your emergency kit and save for emergencies

ditch the wood shavings the cotton ball/vaseline combo does that better
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Asked this in the whetstone thread but here it goes since I didnt get any answers.

I have seen some people shilling this necklace as a easy in the field knife sharpener. Is it worth it to have something like this or is it a meme/overated piece of gear. Seems like a neat concept but I wanted to ask /out/'s opinion before I made my decision.

https://wazoosurvivalgear.com/products/viking-whetstone
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>>1973694
>necklace as a easy in the field knife sharpener.
lmao i can already tell without clicking the link it's 100% larp

i mean sure if you want to play make believe for $30 go righ tahead, it's your allowance not mine
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>>1973695
>everything that isnt in my narrow purview of what isnt larp must be a larp
fuck off faggot. I just want to be able to sharpen my knife out in the woods without carrying a large sharpening stone.
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>>1973739
and why would you need to sharpen your knife in the woods unless you're using it like a retard?
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>>1973745
because I own a Morakniv Companion and beat the ever loving fuck out of it because I dont care about it beside it doing its job and keeping it sharp.
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>>1964554
>>1973589
Thoughts? I already own some of this stuff, I can find the rest on ali or ebay easily. I added a backup 120L backpack just in case, that brand is cheap as shit anyway. The hand bag is 30L and I use it for carrying fishing-related stuff or stuff that gets wet/dirty very often in general.

The main bag looks comfy and practical except I need to make my own waist belt since it doesn't have one at all (I can sew a bit so it's fine) but I believe it's worth it, I couldn't find anything like that with a proper waist support.

The bucket is for washing clothes, it goes to the bottom of the bag. Although I plan to use public bathrooms every now and then when I'm close to towns, once I head towards the inner alps I know I will have to improvise, I think I'll need that a lot.
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How bad is it? Should I just get it to get me out backpacking for the time being? Cant spend over 100, right now I have a coleman sundome I was gonna lug around
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>>1973747
>guys what do you think about this meme knife sharpening knife?
>reeeeee why don't you give me the opinions I want to hear!!

Child.
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>>1973747
>i use the wrong tool for the job so I want to buy another tool to help me keep using the wrong tool for the wrong job
what did he mean by this?
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Total cost around 550-600 euros. I forgot to add socks and other underwear, maybe for next update.

Is there anything you would change about it?
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>>1974469
>dropping $500 on larp gear
>and he hasn't even gone outside once yet
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I want to climb kebenekaise in the summer and I plan on camping at the mountain station. Can I just leave my stuff in my tent all day when I'm walking up the mountain? I don't really wanna get up the morning of my climb, pack it all up and carry all 10kg of it up the mountain with me but at the same time I don't want my shit to get stolen
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>>1974469
>because toothpaste attracts bears
Really? what else attracts animals? besides food and blood.
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>>1974469
Jesus christ, it's alarming you had the sheer time to set this joke up.
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>>1972569
Fap while running so they cannot touch you.
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>>1974481
>Mfw I’ve yet to use my $1000 usd arctyrex ski resort jacket

>mfw I have even more $$$$ in larp gear I’ve yet to use

I know one of these days I’ll be able to use it
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>>1974183
>>1974469
>all that 550-600
chinkshit? add prices.
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>>1974789
Supposedly any perfumed toiletries; deodorant, soap, shampoo, etc. I don’t know how true any of that is. Every time I’ve had a bear get curious about me I had food in a backpack.
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Thinking of downgrading size bags from my 100L seabag to something around 65-50L. Anyone have experience with Gregory stout 65s? Or is there anything around the 1-200 price range that is suggested.
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>>1974954
the link of what i'm looking at
https://www.als.com/gregor-backpack-stout-65/p?idsku=256132&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&adpos=&scid=scplp256132&sc_intid=256132&gclid=Cj0KCQiAlsv_BRDtARIsAHMGVSarNVw0U-MCjW2dAJwZC1q-ASSW_7X2TMLinFZchfA5xUammsFGT08aAlDXEALw_wcB
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>>1974954
I have the stout 60 in green, very nice bag. Got on sale for 25% off. I also bought the matching hyd pack.
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>>1974469
>jet helmet
Why? some MTB helmets come with nose and even chin protectors.
Because it's not budget-friendly?
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new to /out/

what are the legalities of going out to a random spot in BLM land forest and setting up camp? Arizona
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>>1974955
>>1974965
is the gregory stout 65 a good price for $100? obviously says it's on sale but wasn't sure if it was fairly common to be that price
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>>1975270
anyone? :o
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>>1975280
Pretty sure it’s legal to camp for free on BLM land, google is your friend idk why you’d seek advice here
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is there a directory on prepping for a first backpacking/touring
tried the sticky, unsure if there's an up to date thing.
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>>1975320
The sticky on this board is 7 years old and is garbage. Here’s a link to get started: https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/backpacking-checklist.html
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>>1975420
so you sent him to REI? LOL
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>>1975123
Really it's because that's what I own right now, in the past I had this basic type of helmet (pic), it's not very useful.
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>>1975270
Unless it's covered in vegetables, any unfenced land is camping land in my book.
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Due to an inside joke, I need something that is green colored, able to produce and/or sustain a flame, under $20, and fit on a keychain. I want something a little more creative than a lighter.
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>>1975424
not >>1975420, but REI is unironically better than any other advice you see in infographic or bushcrafting threads here if OP just wants to get started
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Recommend me a trail camera, I bought cheap chinkshit and water got in and trips the sensor constantly.
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>>1971262
Bump
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Are trekking poles a meme or are they actually beneficial? Looking into lightweight tents and a lot of the good budget options use poles for support.
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>>1976422
and if I was going to buy some, is there anything I need to know?
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>>1976422
they can be a godsend for rock hopping if that's your thing, but I never found much of a use when on dry ground
im young though so you may experience that differently
as far as lightweight tents go, just use the 3 foot crosspiece pole from an REI half dome 2 as a replacement, im sure there's spares online for way cheaper than poles
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>>1976422
Beneficial. You could also sticks or folding tarp poles.
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>>1975271
I got my 60 for $180 cad
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>>1974954
I have a 50L and that can pack enough for about 2 weeks on the trail. I am 210lb 184cm, so it's not like I am just packing trail mix. I don't know why anyone would need more than that to be honest. Feels like anything more than 2 weeks you should rely on either hunting/foraging as well, not just try to bring enough food for every single day, especially if you are bringing more than the essential equipment.

t. Ontario camper
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>>1976422
They can be, especially over moderate or difficult terrain and with a heavier pack. The benefit dwindles when your load gets really light.

Ironically the people who talk shit about poles would benefit from using them.
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best way to pack huge amounts of bindertwine without much trouble? got tons of it and preparing for bug out
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>>1975420
thanks bro.
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>>1975271
>new 65L pack for $100
that's a pretty nice deal, gregory makes some good stuff too

when I first got started I was poorfag and only found a $100 pack used on ebay
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>>1965073
I know your post is fucking ancient, but the picture clearly shows a 200ml carton of boxed UHT milk. Those things last years unopened.
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What's a good material for making a jacket for walking through thick brush/forest? Won't tear or get caught easily?
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>>1975270
why dont you just look at the blm webstie or idunno CALL THE LOCAL BLM OFFICE
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>>1974469
first-aid missing? I don't see it.
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>>1976641
>>1977033
thanks, i pulled the trigger on it
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How do you get the taste of mud out of stocked rainbow trout?
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Are 3 finger mittens just as warm as 4 finger mittens?
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My Dad and I finally put together the cash to buy some property, 120 acres in upstate NY. We mainly want it for hunting. It's on a mild-moderate slope. The bottom 60 acres is scrub brush, apples and bedding. There is a large clearing in the middle with golden rod and a clover food plot. The top half is all cherry and hard maple. It seems like the top half has very little in the way of bedding or food for white tail. There is one smaller golden rod clearing that seems a little wet. Does anybody have any suggestions for a food source that will take well in shade and wet? I'd like to start some oaks and pines in the larger clearing but i don't think they will grow well in the wetter clearing.
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Anyone have experience/recommendations for cooking in titanium? I'm trying to cut weight in my backpacking kit.
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Hello /out/. My family isn't doesn't have too much outdoors knowledge or care. I've learned almost everything I know on my own from backpacking, skiing, or dual sport motorcycle touring. I went deer hunting with my girlfriends dad and really enjoyed it.
My question is how do I get comfortable with deer hunting/duck hunting and fly fishing without any mentors? I can youtube and read as much information as I can but its not the same as being shown by a family member or mentor. Any of you not have a dad or grandpa show you what you know and how do you become a first generation outdoorsman(new money so to speak).
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>>1978371
Donald Trump will teach you
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>>1977069
Depends on your specific uses but here are some options:
A tight weave cotton canvas is pretty durable depending on the weight of the fabric and can be waxed for some weather resistance or left unwaxed for breathability. Poly/cotton or nylon/cotton combinations are a good option as well.
Cordura fabrics are amazing at resisting abrasion, both classic and ballistic weave, but you'd want a backing material for comfort unless you're going with heavy layers underneath. Otherwise any high denier nylon or polyester with ripstop and/or a good weave should perform similarly. Sometimes tough to find these fabrics uncoated though, as they often have a polyurethane coating on the back.

Or you could always go with a lightweight, tight weave poly or nylon with stretch and just reinforce key areas that will be taking the brunt of the abrasion.

>>1978289
No, otherwise people wouldn't wear mittens.
If you absolutely need your index finger available at all times, go for it but otherwise just wear traditional layers (liner gloves, heavy mitt, hardshell overmitt)

>>1978360
Titanium cookware is overall pretty junk, in my opinion, unless you're only going to boil water.
Me and my friends have tried all sorts of brands and designs, aluminum and titanium always buckle, bend, bow, heat unevenly and cooking any sort of proper meal ends up being annoying. Plus, you can't really put them on the fire and it's quite nice to have that as an option.
I always go back to my stainless steel cookware despite the heft.
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>>1978557
So mittens require 3 parts?
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How effective are pocket crampons? They seem like they'd slide around or rip. Anyone use these for walking in the city?
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>>1978704
these or microspikes will do just fine on any ice in the city or trails. you only really need proper crampons for alpine or high angle ice
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Any recommendations for a large camo net that doesn't suck/isn't cheap Chinese garbage? I wanted to get something to cover my large white van with if I am car camping somewhere bc I don't like how visible it is and a camo net draped over the vehicle practically makes it disappear once you get more than 100 ft away.
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Got a job doing trail work in Colorado, need 8" all leather boots with heat resistant soles. I thinking Danner Loggers. I will be hiking a lot, any advice on hiking in logging boots or alternatives?
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>>1978634
Nothing is 'required' but in real cold, a proper layering system (including your hands) will allow for the most flexibility.
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>>1974183
This has to be bait.
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>>1978908
What do you have in there that you don't want people to see it? Abducted children?
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>>1979732
haha yeah, but anyhow the idea is that it conceals the vehicle while also providing shade if needed. I inherited this large white van, I didn't buy it myself recognizing that there is a stigma around them lol. It is pretty great for camping and things tho, not getting too far into muh vanlife yet
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how do i stop being scared of driving on the highway
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How does a guy from Norway get into tree planting or forest/environment restoration projects?
>Obviously nothing of that kind in this country
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>>1978289
No but they’re damn good if you’re working with rope etc when it’s not super cold.
Winters here are rarely below -5c even on a bad day, so i just carry light fleece gloves, windstopper alien gloves, and a pair of basic waterproof mittens in case it rains. Default to aliens for active use and fleece at camp. Mitts pretty much never.
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>>1977505
>How do you get the taste of mud out of stocked rainbow trout?
You don’t, it’s shit.
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>>1976422
>Are trekking poles a meme or are they actually beneficial?
Awesome for river crossing. Mine mostly stay on my pack otherwise.
>>1976423
>is there anything I need to know?
Not really. Some can be used as a camera monopod if that’s your thing.
Cork grips are nice if you have sweaty hands. I just have a couple of beaten-to-shit ex-rental Kerma poles I found at work - I don’t even know if they still exist.
Don’t spend lots on them, they’re all the same thing really.
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Don't really know if this counts as an /out/ or /o/ related question, but here we go.
I've been looking into getting a roof cargo box for my car and was wondering if anyone had any recommendations. (2005 Subaru Forester XT)
The ones I've been most interested in are the Thule Motion XT L, Yakima CBX 16, or Yakima GrandTour 16.
I've read mostly that Thule makes the best boxes, and it seems like their mounting system is a bit more robust. However the Yakima Also have a neat feature for their mounting where the mounting knob stows away so you can get more usable room in the box. If anyone has input or experience with either it'd be greatly appreciated.
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>>1964554
How do you get your strength training workouts in when you're out camping? Do you bring all your plates, bars and benches with you? I'm thinking if I roll the plates while I'm hiking, they wouldn't be so heavy. I also need to bring an elliptical machine to do cardio.
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>>1980521
create your own /out/ gym with rocks and logs. Work out like an ape in order to cultivate ape strength.
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What's a good resource for learning to identify different kinds of trees and plants? I feel like see so many shows and such where /out/ folks can just point to stuff and know what it is. But all I'm really good for is broad categories.
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>>1980832
They're called books
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>>1980832
those tall things are trees, that pink stuff is chemtrails
not sure why they put a mirror on the floor desu
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>>1980832
AS ALWAYS you search for flora/fauna id books specific to your local area
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Figured I'd try here first before making a new thread.

What kind of boots would you guys recommend specifically for winter conditions in the woods?

I'm talking snow, probably packed down, maybe melting and ice. Terrain won't be too rocky or mountainous, mostly trails or walks in the woods. Hikes would be between 5-7 miles duration.

I'm good on socks, thinner merino wool and I have thicker ones as well.
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>>1964921
Not him but it is kind of the 4chan equivalent of a down vote when it is voiced. It is saying
>"I'm going to shit all over your thread and I'm not even gonna bump it while doing so. I'm going to signal to all other posters that this thread is not worth posting in."
Which is essentially what the reddit karma thing does. Different skin but same bones.
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Do ziplock faraday bags even work? Are they worth buying if one might be fearing a solar flare or emp strike?
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>>1980836
Damn I wish I could read.
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>>1979945
I'm the opposite, city/congested town driving scares the shit out of me but going 90 on highways is like shangri la.
What's to be scared of? As long as you know where you're going, just go like 10 above whatever posted speed limit, stay in the slow lane, if it's a 5 lane hwy stay in the lane 4th to the right unless your turn is coming up or it turns into an exit or something. And dont be scared. Dont drive them during lunch break or afterwork
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>>1976907
I dunno stuff it into a fucking sock
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>>1976222
You're insane
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What's the best out country (scenery, laws, temperatures) that's English or French speaking and easy to emigrate to (including finding a job)?
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>>1965041
>You are not even asking a real question
That's the point retard
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Is it okay to ride my bike to a nice outdoor place and then have grilled meat there? I don't wanna get judged by people lol
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>>1976222
Green birthday candle.
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Gaiters or snowpants?
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I'm new to this whole /out/ stuff and need help finding a suitable tent. I don't plan anything big, just go to place by foot/bike, spent a night in the tent, go home the next day. No winter camping, multi-day-tours or similar stuff. Price should be below 200€. Read I should get a 2-person tent because 1 person tents are too small.

Any recommendations?
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2L Gore-Tex worth it shell, or should I just shell out the extra dosh and get 3L? Also any good alternatives for 3L Gore-Tex?
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I want to get into duck hunting. I like the idea of a mossberg 500 because it's dirt cheap, multipurpose, and barrel can be swapped depending on application. Thoughts?
Unfortunately, can't find one at all locally with the current shortage situation
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>>1970998
hard to find unless you belong to a community that grew up with /out/ culture
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I want to get a higher end bivi like the Rab Ridge Raider.
I like that it's 4 seasons, very low profile for multiday, and quick to setup. Also, I would think that something smaller would insulate better.
Any thoughts or suggestions?
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Is MSR Reactor 1.7L Stove System too prosumer or is it worth it? This is a lot for a cooking system
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>>1984070
snowpants
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>>1964554
How does a two layer sock system work without bunching up?

Same subject, how do Injinji toe socks stack up to Darn Tough mid weights?
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>>1964921
>sage isn't a downvote
Functionally it is the exact same thing.
>muh reddit
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>>1984119
go to decathalon and pick watever one is the the lightest for you

>>1985597
lol neither get frogg toggs

>>1985871
do you really need all of that? alcohol stove or knockoff pocket rocket cost <$10

>>1986345
tight fitting liner socks under proper fitting wool socks
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>>1986987
>do you really need all of that? alcohol stove or knockoff pocket rocket cost <$10
Good point. I was looking more into it and it's a bit too prosumer for me. Rather waste my money on other stupid shit. Don't really see any value over using the system versus just a pocket rocket and whatever pot.
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Let's say I buy a -5°C sleeping bag. At what temperature will it be too hot?





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