Someone put me out of my fucking misery and recommend a hiking/walking boot without any vibram horseshit. It is the most slippery sole in existence and I've eaten shit just walking on smooth concrete in the rain. Also boot thread.Pic related: PU soled shoe with good grip but no longer being produced.
>>1778052lurk where nigga, no boot thread up currently
why the fuck would anyone wear those hikingwhat the actual fuck is wrong with you
>>1778104>gussted tongue making it waterproof above ankle>solid waterproof leather covered upper>PU grip with great stability on all surfaces>good broken in leather soft as mocassins>ankle supportGee anon, idk, maybe because good milsurp boots work?
Altra Lone Peak 4.5’s Lol
>>1778105>waterproofSure they are. Hope your feet don’t sweat ever. I hope you never accidentally step in anything higher than the boot.>Soft as moccasins with good ankle supportSure whatever you say
>>1778140Anon, why argue with larpers? “Muh waterproof boots” is a dead giveaway that someone is talking out of their ass.
>>1778105you're bitching about those soles, they look absolutely awful for anything that requires grip.>waterproof bootsheh i can feel the sweat from here. this is honestly a 8/10 bait thread, you actually got me.>>1778121enjoy your sliced Achillesno idea why the fuck they changed the heel cup, it makes 0 fucking sense and actually angers me because those shoes are SO good without that problem.
>>1778105Vibram is a brand, they make different soles. >gussted tongue making it waterproof above ankleLeather is not waterproof, it can be made proficiently water resistant with frequent impregnation. Certainly have some advantages over gore tex boots.
>>1778153Alright, so are there any vibram soles that one can get a pair of boots resoled with that are good for grip? I've seen stuff like vibram megagrip but that looks like it's for very specialised shows and not hiking boots.
>>1778140I actually have stepped into a bog with them before, the top of my sock sticking out of the boot got wet and buddy but everything else was bone dry.>>1778145How much do you faggots sweat? Do you have hydperhydrosis or some shit?
whats wrong with vibram? nearly all mountaineering Boots use them. Mine have great grip on rock and snow.
>>1778185are you going to just go full-contrarian and act like a waterproof leather boot in the summer is going to keep your feet chilly?christ dude
>>1778046Become flip flop masterrace.
>>1778197Again, how hot do your feet get that you need constant breathability membranes to not be a whiny little bitch about sweat. I have worn these /out/ in the dead heat of summer, they're British army milsurp who have also worn them for decades in shitty conditions including summer heat. Unless you live in Arizona or some other desert shithole you better stop being a weaksauce bitch and complaining about sweat.
>>1778203Why not these?
>>1778195Which boots? Does it maintain generally good grip on wet rock and flat surfaces as well? Not trying to shit on vibram as a whole but used some Altberg boots with vibram soles and have been slipping and sliding errywhere so don't have a lot of faith in them.
>>1778266I'll agree with this statement. I hike regularly on some pretty tough stuff and wear Timberland Premiums with wool socks, and have never had overheating issues. Perfectly fine in my home climate where the summers are usually in the 60s, but also when i travel to visit family in the summer where it can be in the 80s in Appalachia. This is the same setup I wear in the winter when its below freezing and often below zero.
>>1778266>Arizona or some other desert shitholeBut Arizona is one of the most beautiful places on Earth and objectively a better hiking destination than the UK.
>>1778266>army milsurpYeah must be fantastic then
>>1778153>with frequent impregnationThis nigga fucking his combat boots
>>1778046Check out Haix, they make great boots and pretty grippy.
>>1778283>Lololol milsurp poorfag lowest bidder fag huehue xdYeah, we get it retard, milsurp is often heavy, redundant and stupidly designed but you cannot seriously tell me that military boot designs don't work. Half a soldier's life is carrying heavy shit from point A to point B and boots must be at least decent to achieve that in diverse terrain. >>1778383heh
>>1778433If you plan on going into battle, yeah, good choice. If you’re legitimately only walking, wtf do you need leather boots for?
>>1778388Cheers anon, exactly the kind of boot I was looking for as well. >>1778436Walking in some pretty rough terrain/diverse terrain has been a problem for me the last couple of trips. Straight hiking paths are fine but encountering wet craggy terrain where your boots slip, or boggy terrain on a rainy day that completely soaks the membranes and having to hike with wet squelching shoes, that's the shit I am trying to avoid basically. Both of those happened with a pair of low ankle support, membrane, vibram hiking boots whereas the boots in the OP pic remained dry and steady in all terrain until the sole wore away too much for use.I would honestly rather get them resoled but I've been told that the only way to resole moulded PU soles is to glue a rubber sole on, which doesn't sound structurally very solid at all.
>>1778449>boots slipping in rockThe military has to find a middle ground between durability and performance. The better a boot grips, the faster it will wear out. Your military LARP boots are going to slip more than decent, actually hiking shoes>feet will stay dry on a rainy dayNo they won’t.>ankle supportJesus Christ dude. What year is this?
>>1778271Scarpa ribelle od
>>1778271scarpa ribelle od.yes the have great grip for friction climbing on flat rock.
>>1778433>Yeah, we get it retard, milsurp is often heavy, redundant and stupidly designed but you cannot seriously tell me that military boot designs don't work.You’re right, no military man has ever complained about the boots issued
>>1778461>No they won'tRead the post dumbass, using those exact "LARP" boots I was able to achieve this entirely. You can cross streams in them with your boot going below the water level but unless your socks wick the water down, your feet will remain dry, I've done it several times. Just because you've been wearing faggy boots your entire /out/ career and have never experienced dry boots in rain doesn't mean it isn't possible. Seriously, stop being miserable in the rain wearing squelchy footwear, there are far better ways. >Hurr ankle support is a memeAlright, now you're just outing yourself as an armchair warrior that has never had to climb up shit with heavy gear. Rolling your ankle on a crag will fuck you up, I've seen people do it, it's why mountaineering boots are constructed high. >>1778499Yeah, soldiers bitch about everything including their boots and sometimes rightfully so. Didn't say all military boots are better than all civvie boots but rather that some well tested boots have proven to be reliable in a lot of circumstances.
>>1778489>>1778493Cheers. They seem to have a pretty good rep but not sure how I feel about wearing cheeto hybrids on my feet. Opinion on pic related?
>>1778183Pacific Northwest forest firefighters use a Vibram Lug soled boot. Made my local brands such as Whites or Nicks or Franks boots.
>>1778585How well do these hold up
>>1778523I fucking hate how some gear is designed to look like your ass is conquering south pole or some shit. Like the manufacturers make sure they can spot your body from the helicopter.Nice feature yeah, but 99,99999% of time you don't need it and it's a real eyesore to look at.Why doesn't anyone make a proper hiking boot without gore-tex nowdays?And why the fuck the rare ones without gore-tex cost exactly the same as the ones with the membrane?
>>1778046nike duckboot is great very comfy i recommend you buy a size that is 1 or 2 bigger than ur actual size and double insole that bihh youl thank me later :)
>>1778609I've had my pair for 7ish months and they've been going strong, practically no wear on em. Initially got them for hiking but they were so comfy I just started wearing them on the daily. They have a fair bit of traction on ice, and for water as long as it's below the top, you're nice n dry.
>>1778666Are made for women with narrow feet.
>>1778523Yeah orange is awful, bought mine in grey. Dont know about the one you posted depends on your needs if you need full cramp on compability
>>1778641whats bad about gore Tex? my leather/Gore tex scarpa Boots never let a drop of water in
>>1778105>leather soft as mocassinsLol, enjoy your pinched Achilles' tendon.
Looking into buying some Altbergs online but not sure about the size, With regular shoes, and boots I'm a size 9, and they fit well but I'd be hard pressed to wear a thick pair of socks with them, Shoul I suze up?
>>1778046I get so much satisfaction out of wearing out walmart boots it’s criminal
>>1778266>breathability membranesLeather is more breathable and less water-resistant than GoreTex. That said, most people use non-waterproof, breathable, quick-drying trailrunners nowadays. Salmon makes nice boots and trailrunners with and without GoreTex and with nice and sticky non-Vibram soles.
>>1778203Those are nice, until you have to walk down a scree slope.
>>1778433>Half a soldier's life is carrying heavy shit from point A to point B and boots must be at least decent to achieve that in diverse terrain.Which is why many soldiers buy regulation-compliant civilian brand boots as soon as they get out of basic. Lowa and Meindl have boots tailored specifically towards military use.
>>1778514You sound legitimately angry and retarded
>>1778523>>1778641Those are mountaineering boots. You don't hike in those, you climb rocky slopes and walls of ice while using crampons. Your feet will hate you if you try to hike in them.
>>1778898yes I know that, thats what I bought them for. I initially replied to someone claiming that vibram soles provide bad grip with my experience that my scarpa Boots with vibram sole provide great grip in a variety of conditions.
>>1778514Literally everyone who hikes any sort of distance is using trail runners. Ankle support really is a meme. >I go off trailYeah them too.
>>1778911I get that anon, they can wear what they like. But trail runners do fuck all for water resistance for me.>>1778888Nice get, fair point. Do you know if Lowa and Meindl have fully gusseted tongues?>>1778886The problem I've had with quick drying in boggy rainy areas is that once the temperature drops below a certain point and the rain doesn't let up, they just don't dry at all until those conditions change. And I end up in those conditions far too often so my priority is having a boot that water doesn't go into in the first place. >>1778870I'm not entirely convinced you didn't steal those from a hobo
>>1778834Alright, faggot, maybe that's an exaggeration. The point is that the interior of those shoes is pretty soft and comfy while the toe and heel are rock solid to provide support. >>1778650No offence anon but these seem like streetwear.>>1778641Gotta find the balance between looking like a military LARPer and being covered in high vis gear.
I can't even tell who's attempting a LARP and who's trolling anymoreFor people thinking wearing shit like this is good - it's not, stop.
>>1778915>my priority is having a boot that water doesn't go into in the first place.No such thing, unless you want to get a pair of wading boots.
>>1778925Wow, what a compelling argument. You must work in the UN with that kinda skill, anon.>>1778942You are seriously implying that there exists no type of footwear that water cannot seep into?
>>1778987>You are seriously implying that there exists no type of footwear that water cannot seep into?They’re called waders. Also, open your eyes and look at that big fucking hole at the top of your boot? And I hope your feet don’t sweat, ever.
They're military-lite, but I've worn Thorogoods since high school. Pic is the postal uniform version. Now I can afford a second pair, I'm going to get a welted moccasin toe for off-duty use.
>>1778942This is the type of issue where you can tell someone who actually goes /out/ and someone who reads reviews and watches YouTube. Actual experience plays a large part on these types of forums. It’s like cars or collection hobbies or video games; it’s based on things we’ve done rather than things we’ve read. “What if’s” are silly, like when people say you should hike with a 6” fixed blade knife just in case (bringing it to hunt or widow wood or because it’s fun is a different thing). So it goes with gear. Anyone with enough experience knows that water proof boots are a joke. Water resistant breathable is ok in some circumstances, but boots that will completely keep out water? No, it’s not a thing. And the more waterproof your footwear is, the worse it is for your feet.All other discussions of gear fit into this model of experience vs what some guy read somewhere that he now believes is the absolute truth.
>>1779088*not like cars
>>1778268Immediate identifier of extreme homosexuality
>>1778942It all depends on where and how you go /out/In some dry/hot desert/steppe climate and/or often crossing deep streams? Go and use your fast-drying trainers, absolutely makes sense in that scenarioIn some damp oceanic climate with lots of mud around, tall grass and occasional snow in winter but you don't cross deep streams? I mostly do the latter and therefore prefer (mostly) waterproof, tall boots. Sure they may get a little moist inside from sweat, but it beats having completely wet feet 5 minutes in which would be the case with trainers, and they will never dry out in those conditions
>>1778827It's not the issue of letting water in, but letting sweat evaporate. Normal hiking shoes hold water well enough anyway so I don't feel the need for properties of a plastic bag.And not only gore tex, but all of the membranes. I just don't feel I need them at all.Breathability is more important to me.
>>1779088Thanks for the pseudopsych, chief. The reason I'm looking for these properties is because they were all present in boots I wore beforehand but those particular boots are no longer in production and past their polyurethane sole's best by date. What you are saying applies entirely to you in which you seem to have exclusively read reviews of faggy hiking boots and concluded that there exists no footwear that water cannot penetrate. If you actually had experience wearing a fully gusseted, conditioned and lined leather boots that have no membrane to allow any water as long as the top of the boot is not submerged, you would know this. Go write your fanfic somewhere else.>>1779042That looks almost identical to what I'm looking for anon, thanks. Any idea how long they last?>>1779107This is exactly what I'm talking about. Hiking in cold wet conditions that get plenty of rain and where drying boots is not an option. What kinda boots do you use yourself?
>>1779121>Hiking in cold wet conditions that get plenty of rain and where drying boots is not an optionBut that's the thing - hereabouts you only have the choice between "feet might get moist" (boots) or "feet will definitely be wet" (trainers). Of course if boots get really soaking wet inside for some reason they will take ages to dry - but so will lighter footwear in those conditions, so I'm choosing the "lesser evil"For lighter/summer hikes I have a pair of Lowa Renegades LL (leather lined, no Gore Tex), for more extended/winter/alpine stuff Haix Nature One
>>1778843Also I'm British so I don't have to worry about them being smaller than American sizes
>>1779107when i lived in the jungle i wore medium high rubber boots and carried at least two pairs of white cotton socks, there was always water ti wade and lots of times waist deep or knee deep so keeping dry feet meant changing into dry socks after, then wringing the wet ones hanging them on your pack to dry for next use
>>1779121Get a load of this guy. If you ever leave your basement, I hope you enjoy your trenchfoot, faggot.
>>1779128>>1778843If you're always gonna be wearing thick socks then consider sizing up, everytime I wear thicker socks it feels like my toes can't fully extend. Altberg Warriors are a death trap for slipperiness btw, not sure if it's true of all their boots but never step on wet tile or metal if you intend on not breaking your tailbone. Funnily enough, with all that slipperiness you would think the sole must be really hard and wear resistant but I've managed to wear them down ridiculously in two years of use. For those reasons I would not recommend them, look at some of the other military style boots people have posted in this thread. I'm currently waiting on a pair of pic related to be delivered so I can retire my Altbergs for good. >>1779127Whereabouts are you talking about? But yeah I agree with you completely, the Haix Nature One look pretty dope, is the tongue fully attached to the boot?>>1779130Can't imagine rubber boots are very comfy.>>1779132>Dry feet>TrenchfootPick one you colossal faggot.
>>1779155>Whereabouts are you talking about?Living in a rather densely populated area of Germany, therefore if hiking locally/regionally streams/rivers are generally a non-issue because there'll always be a bridge not too far away. For more extended trips we usually go to the Alps, mostly AustriaYeah, tongue goes up the shaft pretty much completely
>>1778915Maybe i am the hobo
>>1778641You are looking for Lundhags boots anon
>>1779130>jungle>cotton socks>rubber bootsI currently live in a jungle. You are an idiot.
>>1778185>my feet don’t sweatYou’re the only one.
>>1779201of course they sweat, but since you are the expert, just do tell what boots you wear in a jungle environment
>>1779194no you don't, and never have, and never will, your just full of shit
>>1778585wtf is THAT i'm trying to FIND IT
>>1779373Your feet are going to be wet no matter what, either from sweat or from rain. Leather and rubber are retard tier in any environment, and super double nigger retarded in a tropical environment.
>>1779110yeah for normal hiking, Breathability might be more important. was thinking more about ice and snow conditions
>>1778046Merrell Moab. I've got about 100 trail miles, and 2 years worth of daily use out of my current pair. Fantastic in the desert hiking and climbing rocks, icy parking lots(as well as any shoe can hold up) and snowy trails, forest /out/tings, and wet concrete. I prefer the high-ankle boots, as I'm prone to roll my ankles constantly. I've also ran about 20mi's in 3mi increments on some hilly trails in Norway when I forgot my running shoes. Not really recommended, but it can be done with little fuss.Proper socks are also important depending on the miles, weather, and terrain. You don't necessarily need to spring for super-expensive boot socks, but they help.
What boots would you buy if you have wide feet, 110 lb ruck, and you are going to walk 1200 miles through a variety of terrain
>>1778105proof why doing extra window shopping on amazon and rei does not substitute for experience actually going /out/
>>1778266this, I live in California and wear none breathable leather boots everyday in 115 degree weather and am fine, quit being fucking babies and bitching over nothing
>>1778046It’s funny, when I go /out/, I see no one wearing shitty leather boots like these despite how much it’s larped here. It’s almost like you guys never leave your houses
>>1778268The only people I’ve ever met who wear these were aspies
>>1779499Converse Chuck Taylor MC18 High Top
Got these a few weeks ago from an OP shop for $70. They practically looked brand new but somehow the ink from the insoul had been rubbed off. Some trucker or person who didn't do much probably wore them. They smelled new though and had none of those stretching marks your get on your boots after using them. They are super comfy tho. Front of them are kinda fucked cause I'm required to kneel a lot at work UwU
>>1778046>vibram is a soleStopped reading right there. Vibram is the manufacturer. They have multiple different soles, and so far, the only one I've had that's (somewhat) slippery is the Vibram work. But that's a chemically resistant sole. Those are all slippery, with the vibram being one of the better ones.>>1779700Perhaps get off the tourist trails then. Around here, most of the people that can't afford proper gear wear cheap combat boots like what OP posted.
>>1779535Rubber boots man
>>1779535cant fit crampons for climbing on rubber Boots, what are you talking about
Any try these? They look comfy and sturdy... Why are the sizes only I wide tho? =/
>>1778046You should consider Lundhags if you don't mind paying a lot.
>>1780039You are not going to get a quality boot for 80 bucksOne tip is to ask if it can be resoled.If not, its a cheap boot
>waterproofno boot is waterproof unless it is a rubber wader, but you can make these highly water resistant>slipperythese have steel spikes on them>military-esquesureWhite's Loggeryou too can be cool
>>1778870Walmart boots are underrated tbqh. I use them as work boots since any actual work boot I've used has been destroyed in 6 months. Had my current pair a year and a half, and they're still going strong.
Dakota work boots, steel cap, steel plate all good. Usually $50-$130 depending on where you buy.
>>1778585I got myself a chucks 2 for regular city use and they were absolute garbage. the sole of the shoe got incredibly slippery when wet. the insoles are okay though.
>>1781216I see you’ve never been because you don’t have any money. It’s ok. Literally no one gives a shit about hiking in the U.K. People only do it because they don’t live in the US, so they’re poor.
You come across approximately 3.5 to 4 miles of pic related. Are you wearing boots or trailrunners? It’s depth ranges from 1” to just under the knee
>>1781301Keep in mind that you’re camping for the night. So bros, boots or trailrunners?
I'd Bushcraft some snowsoes.
>>1781302i would go on the side, in my boots, where its not as bad
>>1778046Try bata m90s they weigh in on 6 pounds, but you'll never slip in your live again. Also dirt cheap
>military boots are bad because your feet will sweat a lotI thought it was standard procedure to have 3+ pairs of socks that you rotate between when hiking to keep your feet dry?
>>1781466>i would widen the trail and damage vegetation because i care about clean boots more that i care about natureFTFY
>>1779700I own a pair of leather boots like that and they are okay if I wear good socks but if I do any "serious" walking I wear my hiking boots
>>1781466You are just the worst type of person
>>1781301my whites because I will also be on my work quad because i'm not hiking through that shit unless I am being paid for it
>>1781893>my whites because I will also be on my work quad because i'm not hiking through that shit unless I am being paid for itDisgusting. Found the casual
>>1779155based and Feldschuh Schwer pilled
>>1781914>casual>job entails hiking through the woods for 10 hoursfuck off retard I do this shit for a living, I don't want to have to "work" more on the weekends
>>1781026I love whites. Caulked boots are great. But they serve a very specific purpose, if you step on rocks alot you will destroy those caulk nails. They are meant for walking on mossy pacific northwest terrain and logs, not much else. White's Smokejumpers, Hunters, Bounty Hunters, Farmer/Ranchers, or Outdoorsmans would be a better choice.
>>1782116yeah but I work in the PNW as a forester and have to walk over wet logs all day
I fell for a meme and ordered a pair of barefoot shoes. Did i do dumb?Pic related.
>>1782264Are you planning on hiking up jagged rocks with them?
>>1782267Idk. I bought them mainly for everyday wear, trail running and because they look compact enough to be kept in a backpack for moments when heavier boots are too much.
>>1782274Then no, you’ll probably like them. They just probably won’t be your “go-to” when you’re going up and down gnarly terrain, but for dickering around the house and going on easy-to-moderate-mode trails, they’re gtg
>>1781096Oh god yeah standard chucks are awful with wet surfaces, the soles on these are completely different, grip nice as hell on wet rock n ice
>>1782278Around the house i go butt-naked anyways.
Anons what is the best hot weather hiking shoes?
>>1782760sandals and socks, unironically
Anyone have experience with boots from a military surplus store? I figure if they're good enough for the US Army and Marines then they shiuld be good enough for me.
>>1784620why, are they the last piece to your stolen valor larp set?
>>1784630No, I just don't know anything about boots so I figured that'd be a simple choice to get a good quality pair of boots for not too much money.
>>1784620Most milsurp shops don't sell new milspec boots. It's either used boots (Which are unlikely to fit you, as boots adjust to the feet over time) or cheap reproductions (like Sturm, MFH, Brandit etc.) with the labels removed. If you want good, milspec botots, buy them from the manufacturer.Also, standard issue boots are usually so bad that the first thing infantry or commando recruits spend their wages on are boots from civilian manufacturers.
>>1778046Look up Norwegian Military M77 boots, Varusteleka has them in stock
>>1784620Greatest value for money way of obtaining all purpose boots IF you know what you're doing.Don't get boots that are clearly beaten to shit, there's no point, look for boots where the sole has minimum wear and the leather or whatever other material is still somewhat stiff so when it breaks in it moulds more to yours feet (not hugely important, you can remould with heat). Secondly, if you're buying PU soles, look up if that model is still in production. If they stopped making the boot 5 years ago, the polyurethane would have hydrolised and will fall apart in a week of walking and can't be properly resoled properly. If you do all of these correctly and get yourself a boot that you like in good condition, get ready for it to hurt like a bitch for about 2-3 weeks, the heat and force of your foot will literally be shaping the leather but once it's moulded to you there is nothing more comfy.If you want a safe bet for online shopping, I'd suggest Kommandostore, they're pretty legit.
>>1784681I have a pair of these. They are nice but have some interior fleece on the tongue that makes them warm in the spring/summer.
>>1778046Shell out the extra money for custom timberlands. Guaranteed brand new and higher quality since they're made to order, plus you get to pick the color scheme. I got a pair a few months ago and they're the comfiest boots I've ever owned.
Holy shit just the thread i needed, first time poster on the board so be gentleI just started a job as a security guard and i need to spend a shit ton of time either standing or walking, the only problem is that i need a BLACK pair of good cushioned boots for the job, do you anons thing that Hoka Challenger Mid are overkill for the job? What would you recommend? It rains pretty ofter here if that helps. Pic related are the Hokas.
>>1778203Works only in the easiest of environments.
>>1787408get a pair of nicks, it takes 100 hours to break them in but after that you will do 12hr shifts on your feet in amazing comfort
>>1787458It's 160€ versus 480+$, no way i can go up that high, especially after i've spend 500 just for the gun alone.
>>1787408They are likely highly comfortable, go test them and see if the quality matches up, if it does then you're set.Personally I would prefer something tougher if I were doing security work, even if that came with additional weight.
>>1787458>nicks for being a security guardfirst, get whites instead of nickssecond, why would you need fucking firefighting/logging boots for sitting in an office and walking around a parkinglot
>>1787512because they are so comfortable because of the high arch and the oak tanned leather insole instead of some squishy garbage
>>1787520get an arch insert you retard lmao
>>1778827The shell will eventually break and now you have a 500 dollar boots that arent waterproof
>>1787524not the same at all
>>1787512Whites are literal trash compared to Nick's or JK.
>>1787524Those are not effective without the high heelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBFFyqPSyEs
>>1787591>>1787642you are shilling wff/forestry boots for a fucking SECURITY GUARDabsolutely cluelessi understand the boots, because i wear them every fucking dayi have both lug and calki knowhe is asking for security guard shoeswhy does he need a fucking heel, when he can just get an insert for a higher archC L U E L E S S
>>1787626>boots so shitty they got fired from whites and had to crawl off to make their own off-brandlmao
>>1778523Are these approach shoes? I only know Scarpa for climbing shoes
>>1787674I dont think you understand what that heel is for as much as you think you do
>>1787684for me, the heel allows me to:>dig into the sidehill>distribute my weight differently to allow to step over shit easier>hook onto branches while I climb>flex on manlets>not use as much energy walking over broken and difficult terraincriteria the anon posted about for his security guard job:>time spent standing or walking>black>rains oftennow why would you suggest an all-leather firefighting/forestry boot for a security guard that is going to be standing out in the rain. why would he need a heel on a shoe for walking on fucking pavement, it's like you are suggesting everyone on the planet should be wearing whites because they have a high arch and a heel. he can get an arch insert if he wants one, everyone can. if he wore a pair of the boots you are suggesting, he will be lugging an additional 5lbs on his feet all day, have his feet get soaked, destroy the leather (and the $550+ he spent on them), and want to kill himself over the break in period while having to stand there while the boots don't properly mould to his feet.you are fucking retarded and should stop giving out advice. I understand that you just bought a paid of boots and are waiting for them to come in the mail in two months, but PNW loggers aren't some fixall for every purpose
>>1787698>he can get an arch insert if he wants one, everyone canyou can only go so high with arch support if you dont lift the heel far higher than mens shoes typically ever goThose high heels and crazy high arch make standing on pavement so much more bearable I do live in a very cool climate though so I cant speak to them getting hot.I wear mine for long shifts manning a stall at a farmers market and I would not wear anything else I bought mine when I was an arborists assistant years ago and now I wear them any time I have to be on my feet for long hours.
Got some Lowa Men's Z-8S GTX Bootsin the mail for 140 moniesthis will be my heaviest non-winter boot for anything above trail-runners. high alpine/heavy pack. hard work boot. tell why I made a terrible choice
>>1787703what a larper jesus christ>he wears this for a fucking fruit standwell at least you're good signage, what with being a standing fruit and allhow fucked up do your feet have to be, god damn. after a 10 hour shift I want to get out of my whites because they are hot, I dont get those problems with my blundstones because they are designed for lightweight activities instead of fighting a fire in the wildnernessit's like you are suggesting somebody get 18oz doublefront carhartts to wear to their office job because they are the most resistant to tearing and puncture
>>1778046Boots are not good for hiking. Hiking shoes are lighter, more comfortable, last long, prevent blister, and dry faster. Boots are cumbersome, roll your ankles, cause blisters, heavy, more expensive, and are only good for larping.
>>1787715those would not have enough traction, support, or durability to last a week in my job
>>1787718You're wrong. Ive had this same pair for almost a year and I walk at least 45 miles a week in them.
>>1787720Yes but you are not obeast
>>1787724Were you trying to say "obese"? Or is that a job title? I'm 225lbs now, and 240lbs when I started this routine. Boots are gonna be even worse if you're obese. Also I used to work in a factory that required steel toes, I bought boots first not knowing there are shoes with steel toes too. When I upgraded to steel toe shoes, the difference in comfort and stamina was magnificent.
>>1787720>walk 45 mi a weekdude i need fucking spikes on my bootsmy iphone says I hiked 25 mi from monday-friday, and went up between 54 and 111 floors a dayi have to hike up hills over 100% slope, covered in slash, on disturbed soilsi have to hike through tanoak and manzanita that grows over your headone of the guys on our crew had a pair of danner calks that are non-leather, and got blown out in less than 2 months. sidehilled, stepped on a stick, and it poked through the side of the upperI am telling you, as somebody who does this for a living, those shoes will not last. the job actually forbids, FORBIDS you from wearing anything than full leather PNW boots, because it's actually fucking dangerous to not have them.I've had more times than I can count where I would have rolled my heel hours away from cell service on some random backroad, but luckily I laced my boots up properly and was able to avoid being crippledI regularly have to pull my entire bodyweight (175lb) up above my hip with only the traction of the tip of my boot, or have to bash through ground cover that would destroy my ankle/shin if it wasn't covered by my bootforestry isn't like hiking through a paved trail, or picking through some maintained backcountry. if you have to flag a watercourse, you have to go through a fuckload of brush. it doesn't matter if it's poison oak or whitethorn or vine maple, you are going to go through it. and your trailrunners are going to get torn apart, your ankle is going to roll, your shins are going to get busted, and you will want to kill yourself
>>1787737What made you think your job was relevant to the conversation? This isn't a thread about best work boots, it's about hiking boots. Your experience is completely irrelevant.
Well boys time to pack up, the shoe autist has arrived.
>>1787740"boots are not good for hiking">those would not have enough traction, support, or durability to last a week in my job"You're wrong. Ive had this same pair for almost a year and I walk at least 45 miles a week in them.">>1787737"Your experience is completely irrelevant."it seems like somebody was using their experience in an attempt to dismiss mine. my job is relevant to the discussion, because my job requires us to wear boots in the style being discussed. as such, I would consider myself knowledgeable in this subject, as I wear them every single day in a working environment. I hike for 10 hours a day in it, ACTUAL hiking, not just walking along a trail. I wear hiking boots, for work, every day, and somebody is asking about work boots. Somebody is suggesting hiking boots for work, which I use every day.I can keep trying to form connections for you in similar ways if you want, you dumb cunt.
>>1787740Why are you such an insufferable twat?Anon works in the fucking woods. Your experience skipping along some groomed trail in your faggot sneakers means fuckall to this thread.
>>1787744That's like telling me that I need an industrial sized oven to bake a dozen cookies, because you work for Oreo cooking thousands of cookies a day, and my home oven wouldn't cut it for your job. >>1787745You have to be pretty autistic to spaz out this bad over shoes.
>>1787754>That's like telling me that I need an industrial sized oven to bake a dozen cookiesyeah I have a viking restaurant stove in my home because I cannot stand non professional grade stuff.I also got the good stihl chainsaw instead of the homeowner chinese piece of shit one that was half the price.You like cheap stuff I do not
>>1787754no, that would be like you saying that you have a regular home oven and therefore can make thousands of cookies a day, and somebody from the oreo factory telling you that your simple costco appliance isn't going to cut ithere is a section of an "empty" waterway I had to climb up for a few thousand feet. for most of the little hike, the broken logs and slash were up to my chest level, and I had to hurdle over windthrown trees over and over, using the sides of my books as brakes so that I didn't slip and snap my femur in half and bleed out in the 90 degree heat on top of a mountain.i would not have been able to do that in your trailrunners. if you are doing work like this, you need boots like this>>1787737>>1787711>>1787642>>1787622>>1781026if you are walking on trails, are a security guard, or work in an office, then it doesn't really matter what shoes you wear because they are primarily a comfort item and not a tool designed to be used for a specific purpose
>>1787720well that really depents on terrain, 45 on museums floors is nothing, 45 in in construction gravel will kill those boots
>tfw wide feet. Very annoying desu.
>>1787787you can order boots in size E or EE
>>1787767>not a tool designed to be used for a specific purposeWell my experience is that my nicks are the most comfortable footwear I have ever had. I wear them all sorts of places I shouldnt because my feet must have weird arches or something and no other shoes let me stand for nearly as long. They also help with my horrible posture.
>>1787796if they work for you then they work for you. i would imagine you could find footwear like that for less than $600 but I don't really care what you spend your money on. if you put much investment in others' opinion of you, I would wager people think you look like a larper if you wear logging boots to go do chores in, though I do the same thing when I get off of work
>>1787787>tfw wide forefoot but narrow heelREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>1787762>yeah I have a viking restaurant stove in my home>I also got the good stihl chainsaw instead of the homeowner chinese piece of shit one>You like cheap stuffI'm not talking price, I said industrial "sized" oven. Merrill's are far from cheap. Yea you bought a better chain saw, but do you need pic related for cutting wood at home?
>>1787817i mean i know several people who own alaskan mills for personal use
>>1787820My point is that it's over kill and there are more practical options, if you're rich and don't give a shit about wasting money on stuff you don't need, then by all means do you.
>>1787851There is no footwear that is over kill though. your analogy is no good. Many are willing to pay way more than 600 bucks for footwear. If you are still in college then you need to be more frugal. once you are earning more money than you can spend , buy some nice boots.
>>1787676>owned by a japanese conglomerate>quality deteriorated since buyout in 2014>still giving them your money just because of a nameWew
>>1787856>There is no footwear that is over kill though. your analogy is no good. Many are willing to pay way more than 600 bucks for footwear.Didn’t realize warren buffet entered the conversation.
>>1787917>workers materials methods and location is unchanged>"da quality dun gone to tha dogs!!">posts no proof other than 5th hand hearsay about some guy who had a loose stitch once but didnt take pictures or return them
>>1787925>posts no proof other than 5th hand hearsay about some guy who had a loose stitch once but didnt take pictures or return themI didn't even post that, actually. I spent time in all three shops before I bought mine. I was wholly unimpressed with White's comparatively. And I do have secondhand input from about 12 other forestry professionals (fire and timber) who are unhappy with their latest pair of Whites and either replaced them outright, or are going to Nick's or JK instead of getting the White's rebuilt when the time comes. But you do you. I really don't give too much of a shit.
I'm not even American and until recently I didn't even know about the existence of White's and those other brands but a big company taking over a small company that is known for producing high quality stuff pretty much never ends well.
>>1787805Same here, wide versions of most shoes/boots seem to only be designed for the obese (i.e. wider in all 3 dimensions due to excess body fat being stored there), but not for "natural" duck shape. Always getting nasty calluses on the outsides of the big toes. Sizing up helps only a bit and comes with other issues, such as too fast crease formation which can make the leather tear more quickly
so what kind of footwear should i get? I dont plan on doing any extreme trails since im a noob, im probably never going to step into water (waterproof would be nice for snow though) and have a budget of 150. just hard to choose since i dont know much and a lot of online reviews seem to contradict each other
I'm looking for boots that can fit my clown feet. Wider toes skinny heel. I would like them to be able to handle water and mud (or at least not give me trenchfoot) because I live by a fuck ton of cedar swamps in northern michigan. Best pair of boots I've tried were a pair of keens, but the heel wasn't small enough and my feet kept moving around. Thank you homies I've looked through every store that sells boots nearby me and I haven't found any I like.
Can anyone recommend a good hiking/walking boot? I dont need something like top of the line or anything like that, just a good solid boot that's comfortable to walk and hike in.
Hey folks I JUST got some new boots in the mail, but I realized I accidentally ordered the variation with GortexNow, I live in California so I don't think I'm going to need much water protection, but I also don't want to return them since I'm going to have to wait longer to get the pair without it.So my question to you, would gortex make the boots hotter? Like am I going to be miserable wearing these out on let's say, a hike in dry whether? Or is there no real noticable difference? Thanks!
>>1789851They will trap all your sweat inside your boots and make your feet wet and miserable. Get them exchanged for a pair without goretex if you can.
>>1778046tfw fell for the vibram meme and slipped doing laundry in the fuckin basement
>>1787767Nice nose, schlomo.
After many moons, countless pairs of shoes tried on and an odyssey of more than 300km to a bigger city, I have finally discovered a boot that does not have a membrane and is wide enough to accomidate my neanderthal feet.The Meindl Bernina 2.I'm looking forward to not practice foot binding and not getting blisters while hiking around.This process was an ordeal of epic proportions.
>>1789851Your feet will sweat anyway inside a boot, but in my humble experience a membrane will make it even worse. Membrane is very useful when it's really cold, because it adds the properties of a plastic bag. A typical boot is waterproof enough for it's intended purpose and I think it's more of a stupid meme why manufacturers like to put them in every pair they make. It's also fucking crazy that the membraneless option is basically always just as expensive as the option with membrane.But zippers on gore tex boots? really? is the zipper just as water proof as the membrane or was the manufacturer just being a dumb dumb? You'd think that the zipper is the first place to leak immediately.
>>1781301boots with gaiters because I enjoy not having mud in my shoes>>1787709>ordering boots in the mail
Thoughts on garmont T8 NFS? I want a good boot that's still light enough and isnt gortex. I use belleville for work but I cant imagine backpacking in them
>>1790411I know city fags are retarded but damn. Yeah, people who don’t live in places large enough to bother having a large selection of brick and mortar stores to carry exactly what everyone needs order things that arrive by mail.
>>1790367Own it too. God mode boot
While walking uphill when I put my weight on my toes and lift up my heel it hurts when the heel pushes against the back of the boot.Does this usually go away after the break in period? My boots are pretty new and mostly leather.
Why do they put zippers on boots anyway?You too lazy to tie and untie the laces every time?Do you have some bending problems?It looks, feels and sounds like a huge compromize and is 100% of the time the first point of failure on the boot.
Lowa's, Rocky's, Danner, Hanwag, Nike's, i'm currently using Lowa Z-8n but their combat gtx are also a solid choice. Have done 30Km marches with both.
not my pic but so far i can say that ankle support apparently is a meme unless in alpine terrain
>>1792185most trails (like in your picture) are basically hard packed gravel roads, so yes, you are correct in that sense
Got these for free
>>1778046I use standard issue Swedish army boots but with my own soles (the army soles are garbage). They’re not the most comfortable boots but I enjoy them. I also like taking care of leather boots.I have to change my socks extremely often when hiking in the summer though.
>>1792703You got jewed
>>1778185Yes, as a matter of fact I do. So I go with wool socks and a mostly nylon upper boot with a leather toe and heel
>>1784620Man im telling you as someone in the military dont wear fucking combat boots its fucking stupid.Wear a pair of hiking boots or shoes that are 10x lighter and more breathable cheaper and just as durable.Seriously dude your not going into a field exercise or on a deployment. Anyone in the military isnt wearing combats on a hike, they are buying civilian shoes cause they are way better.Im not talking issued boots either, The leaf army lets you buy your own boots and the same thing still applies.
>>1792839>civilian shoes cause they are way better.This is false.Civilian shoes would not hold up to combat or they would give you those.Do you think the military is stupid?
>>1792864>This is false.No its not. Go ahead and look up special forces or ANY unit that is allowed to pick the footwear. None of them wear combats.If your doing infantry shit (Like i do, in my job as an infantryman) Im wearing combats. If i go on a hike or ANYTHING else i wear civillian boots which are far superior for that purpose.
>>1792864>Civilian shoes would not hold up to combatAre you going into battle or on a hike?
>>1792864Combat boots are often replaced by regulation-compliant civilian boots. They are more comfortable and durable, but way more expensive.
>>1792864The military purchases clothing that meets suitability plus cost considerations. Combat boots suck shit at most things apart from being durable enough to march in
>>1787715what's your favorite brand of trekking poles?
>>1792809Based. I use the Norwegian M77. Got them in the army. 9/10 overall. If you're not a søy cuck and walk them in and take care of them, they will outlive you.
>>1793660>they will outlive you.No they won't, the soles will wear out in 5 years and they're not worth resoling.
>>1792864>Do you think the military is stupid?Yes.
>>1793662Just go to a shoemaker and get them replaced
What's the best boot for just pure endurance, in hot conditions?>environment is almost 100% flat, no rivers or streams to cross>basically just scrublands>Temp is 90-95 degrees on averageBasically, difficulty 0 terrain and just trying to go forward as long as possible (while it's hot and humid out)
>just wear heavy leather combat boots they saidIt’s so fucking easy to spot the faggots on here who have literally never gone out
>>1781581>>1781675Can someone explain why it's bad?
>>1793666Learn to read, Satan. They're not worth having them resoled.
>>1794071Trailrunners with good cushioning.
>>1794071In such conditions, unless you need protection from sharp stones, thorns etc, any trainer that's comfortable to you will do
>>1794463It kills vegetation, causes trail erosion and widens the trail, which then also becomes part of the mud pit. The trail becomes progressively wider and wider for perpetuity. Small trees and vegetation won’t ever take root with people walking on them constantly. When summer, fall, and winter roll around and the mud is gone, you have this big 30yd wide eyesore of a trail with no vegetation. Pic related - the path on the right shouldn’t be there. RIP that tree
>>1793662Nope, direct moulded soles have a shelf life of 5 years IF they are left unsused for that duration allowing hydrolysis to take place and rot the polyurethane. Constant use and care extends it way beyond that.
>>1794568WhateverVegetation grows back eventually. You're not doing permanent damage.If someone owns it and cares he should set up a fence. Or better yet, make it a gravel way as they should have done in the first place.
>>1794692You might as well just throw all of your trash in the woods too, it’ll decompose eventually
>>1794722Plastic takes centuries to decompose. A mud trail takes a few years until it's grown over. If you don't see the difference...Tbf we don't have that problem here in yurop because every somewhat frequented road is gravel. Walking at the side of a mud path is only slightly less shitty than walking through the mud, so I generally avoid those.
>>1794730>A mud trail takes a few years until it's grown over. If you don't see the difference...That has not been my experience in the northeastern United States, where we have thin soils to begin with. Trails abandoned 50+ years ago are still visible and have not grown in completely. This is due to compaction and soil erosion.>>1794730>Tbf we don't have that problem here in yurop because every somewhat frequented road is gravel.So you admit you don’t have that problem or any experience with it but want to talk about it like you’re an expert. You’ll fit right in here at /out/.
>>1794730>A mud trail takes a few years until it's grown overis that why you can still see the tracks from settlers wagons across the prairie?
What are the absolute best hiking boots? I'm currently wearing merrell moabs but they're wearing out and I recently started working again so I can afford some new boots.
Out of the way retards.
>>1794850>>1794873Lol American soil is weakWe have literal deserts from tank exercises here and it's taking a few decades to grow back. It's considered a valuable niche for rare species of plants in the meantime.
>>1778046 Don't buy your boots at a head shop
>>1794898Buy some classic leather boots like a man.
>>1778523I fucking hate Scarpa. My sole came off of my Escape and they cant be re-soled. will never buy scarpa again.
>>1795042 The same thing just started happening to my hi-tecs. And I bought them only 9 years ago
I have a pair of danner boots that are fantastic, but they weigh 4 fucking pounds so I'd like to get some lighter shoes for day hiking.Are danner hiking shoes any good? It seems like they don't sell any that are made in the USA like the boots are. I'm leaning towards goretex lined ones since pretty much every hike I do is wet and muddy and my goretex lined boots have worked well for me.
>>1787737Now that's a man's job, dayum. Good talk.
>>1789851Remove clothing if you are hot, feet are gonna sweat anyway no matter what unless you like fucking use sandals.
>>1790851also 100% failure to waterproof, if you are gonna keep your shoes on more than 1h you got time to lace em
>>1794873Wow, >>1794948 is right, American soil is weak. Verdun, where the mud was churned nonstop by millions of feet and constant artillery impacts for almost an entire year has all grown over, albeit a little odd looking with all the unnatural hills and troughs. A few thousand wagons trundle on by your prairie and it's scarred forever.
>>1782264start slow and build up your foot and ankle strength or you are going to have injuries.
Rate me boots lads, i used em in my job, but they're comfy for walk in a forest tho
Reposting from /flg/ threadLooking for an affordable pair of logging boots. They need to be chainsaw safe. I’m thinking the Husqvarna rubber logging boots, anyone have experience with these? Needed for tech school
>>1787737this is /out/'s version of the navy seal copypasta
>>1784630Lol triggered vet. Not everybody wants to pretend to be in the military.
>>1798402it's not like i'm trying to come off as a toughguy, the job is basically just extreme crosscountry hiking in the most bullshit brush and slopes and through waterways. you need a boot that can handle that, and wearing a pair of converse could get you killed if you slip and break your leg
>>1778046Salomon Quest 4D GTX is my preference. Favored by private military contractors and wildlife cameramen, been rated in the top 3 best walking boots for the last few years. A bit pricey but you get what you pay for, surprisingly warm.
>>1778523Those look like fucking ski boots
>>1787408those look like a good choice desu
>>1781039Steel plates make the boot heavier and hiking more tiresome, no? I used to use steel plated working boots for work and I wouldn't like to hike with them at all.
>>1778266I live in the American south were extreme humidity is a daily occurrence, I wouldn't be caught dead wearing leathers, I'd have athletes foot by the end of my trip
>>1781302Been there since that idk how many times and to be honest you're getting wet regardless so hook your boy up with some comfy tennis shoes, I'll let them air dry while I wear my camping slippers at the spot
>>1787767Aside from the gross exaggerations your job sounds and looks like a dream to me, tell me anon what would a lad from the south have to do to get a job in forestry out that way
>>1778046I've been wearing some Belleville TR555s with vibram soles for almost a decade and they've been fine. Maybe you got a boot with some weird shit tread?
>>1793087What’s wrong with trekking poles
>>1798807What's the actual difference between the Forces and Quest versions of the GTX?
>>1799899>gross exaggerationsnot really, sometimes the job blows absolute fucking dickhere is a not-so-steep part of some cable corridors i marked the other day. this is not the steepest ground one will mark, but the ground was so disturbed that i would slide down the hill for 10 feet pretty regularly, and just covered in redwood slash and tanoak duff. pretty fucking shitty to mark in, needed a good pair of boots to be able to navigate itin terms of getting a job like this, either go to school and get a B.Sc. in Forestry and apply to a forestry company, or try to get hired as a seasonal technician and slave away for years
>>1800317>>1799899here was rougly 200 feet up the hill where I was running the corridor. still just as steep, except now covered in dead/dying madrone, huckleberry pits, and a bunch of wasps. the line has to be on the money in terms of azimuth, so guess who gets to machete through 600 feet of that bullshit hanging pink ribbons? I do, or you if you get a job like thistoday, however, i got to splash around in steams and take flow data, double check the contractors did what they were supposed to do, and watch the operations take place on an active logging area. pretty chill day, didnt have to put my work boots on at all
>>1800317Thanks for shitting up the woods with painted trees and pink plastic tape
>>1800341dont worry the painted trees and flagging wont be there long to bother you any more, it will all be cut down and replantedif that angers you, i hope you find solace that it takes me almost 1.5 hours to drive out there due to how remote it is, and i spend the next 30 minutes using my machete to clear extremely dense brush on an overgrown quad trail before i reach the corridorabsolutely nobody goes out there except for us, seeing as there is no view, no hunting, no fishing, no trails, no land good for camping, and it's hot as fuck with tons of ticks and hornets and mosquitos everywherethere isn't even good timber, it's like barely even enough to break even, we are just trying to do some restoration work out herebut please, tell me more about how to manage a forest, person that does not manage forests nor has ever had to look at the forests and the forest product industries with any amount of critical thinking but still wants to use wood products and hike in the woods and go fishing and use forest roads as access to illegally boondock camp in random forest spots that the landowners dont really care about but you still leave your trash and poach wood and game and generally fuck things up which is why we put gates in
>>1778046Pricey but effectively BIFL with their rebuild service.
>>1800346Y-yeah but o-one time I was on a trail and I saw some b-blazing on a tree and I g-got really really upset.
>>1797124I wouldn't get Goretex lined shoes, step in a puddle and gg your feet.Wear some merino socks in non-lined ones and you'll be reet
>>1800467>dabs on the loraxwhoops looks like all your redwoods are turning into dedwoods
Is vibram good for rock fishing from shore in the Northern California? I read somewhere that vibram doesnt do good on wet rocks surfaces.
How do the KS2007 boots on the KommandoStore rate? I'm a huge consoomer when it comes to boots and I don't know why.
>>1800346>it will all be cut down and replantedHopefully one of them trees will bite back one of these days.
>>1787805Same here, I just wear thick socks in La Sportiva boots a size up from my usual shoes. They also make trailrunners with wide toe boxes.
>>1800984serious question, do you know anything about trees or forestry or logging, or anything related to it?the areas we work in were historically redwood dominated, and have been overrun with doug-fir and true fir due to mismanagement of the previous landowners and historical logging practices. we have to start over from the ground up, which means cutting down all of the hardwoods, treating them with herbicide to kill the stumps and root wads, replanting redwoods and a few dougies, and following it up with some thinning in ~15 years. in order to do this, we pay for it by slicking off most of the douglas-fir and true fir and redwood already on the siteit's kind of annoying to hear people bitch about the forest when they have absolutely no clue how modern forestry operates. do you think we just go in and fuck up the land because we get off on it? this is our livelihood, it takes time for trees to grow, which means we have to take care of the land in order for it to continue to provide for us. farmers dont harvest their crop and then fuck off, they maintain the soil and replant more crops and make sure it doesnt get infested with noxious weeds and pests. so too do we maintain the soil, keep the waterways clean, provide habitat for wildlife, seek to return to historical species composition, and yes, we also cut trees down to make money. because we are a business, and our business is timber. just because we sell wood doesn't mean we arent stewards of the land
>>1800969Very comfortable but have a common issue with the sole separating which cannot be repaired.
>>1800010No idea honestly, you'd have to have a look at the specific statistics for the two
Addidas ultraboost ndm, get 3 pair, thank me later
>>1801001>(((modern forestry)))>(((livelihood)))>(((business)))I don't care how you justify your practices to yourself and others, at the end of the day you cut down perfectly fine trees for money. You whore Earth's life for profit.Not to mention all the destruction and development you cause.>(((forestry roads)))
>>1801787honestly you sound schizophrenic, none of this land is used for any recreation and does not see humans until we come into the stand every ~50-60 years. The stands are overgrown with a species composition and density that does not match historical records. We go in and maintain the stands to better match historical records.Newsflash:>trees grow backtrees grow back(((trees grow back)))they grow back, retard. 5 years after a clearcut you would never know we were even there>perfectly fine treesyeah a 40 year old 13" doug-fir that's pitching out in a redwood stand is a perfectly fine tree, fucking idiot>destruciton and developmentwe decommission our roads after the harvesting is done, because once again we are stewards of the landyou cant be older than 17 with views like this
>>1801797>does not see humans until we come into the stand every ~50-60 years.Let it be then, fuckbrains.>we are stewards of the landNow this is cope. Post pics of them gravel roads to see how decommissioned they look.>trees grow backNot the ones you killed, (((profiteer)))
>>1778280Northern Arizona is beautiful, southern ‘zona can fuck itself dry
>>1779561>110 lb ruckwtf
>>1801813>gravel roadswhy would we rock the roads, our mainlines are dirt roads and we have skid roads that grow over by the time we re-enter the stand>not the ones you killedyeah but they grow back, all the carbon is sequestered in the log, and a brand new precious little itty-bitty tree-soul gets to live in our beautiful world for you to hug and love and cherish forever and ever until we cut it down again
>>1801813You cant just leave a landscape to its own devices anymore, my friend, they must be actively managed. Gone are the days of just ignoring problems in an environment, we have too many moving parts to just "let it be".By "letting it be", you:>allow invasive species to gain more of a foothold>allow illegal grows and encampments to increase>allow wildlife proportionality to change through poaching and out-of-control stocking>refuse to deal with historical environmental damage that needs to be monitored and rectified>destroy a large portion of the US's manufacturing and exporting market>create a massive net-negative carbon deficit through lack of maximum sustained yield of high quality timber products (as defined by the Forest Practice Rules)>look like an idiot to everyone who has taken even the most rudimentary coursework in environmental science
>>1778585would you wear these for multiple day backpacking trips or nah?
>>1778046Just bought these but haven't broken them in yet. Had great reviews online and I'm familiar with Scarpa as a telemark skiier.I hope I didn't fall for some shit meme, I feel like I should have asked you guys about it first :(
>>1802793It really makes you think how earth managed to do it for millions of years.Your "science" is just a scam to keep the machine going.
>>1778046this is what i use
Can someone give me recommendations for socks to wear with my boots?
>>1804136Wearing a thinner inner and thicker outer, both merino. Even in the height of summer I sweat less that way and won't get blisters as quickly compared to cotton. If merino is too expensive for you (IIRC I paid €35 for the thicker pair), regular wool still beats cotton
Anyone here got bedrock sandals? What do you think of them?>>1804159How about Darn Tough socks?
>>1804161>Darn Tough socksNo idea, I'm from Europe, I assume this is an American brand, and imported stuff like that is generally more expensive if at all available
>>1804161I've slowly transitioned into wearing Darn Tough 24/7. Great brand, you get what you pay for.
>>1804014yeah retard, it managed to survive on its ownand then humans existed, and we have changed the landscapes. if we just left the forests to their own devices, they would be forever different.>invasive species>climate change related natural disasters>over/underpopulation>engineered species>ahistoric compositions>abiotic conditions not matching historical recordall of these things have, are, and will continue to happen. what are you going to do when all of the giant sequoia die off because we didnt cut the encroaching white fir? what are you going to do when the northern spotted owl dies off because the barred owl traveled from the east coast and is more dominant in finding food in NSO habitat?>hurr just let it happen bro xDexcept like half the species that dominate the landscape in the PNW arent even from this fucking continent, how is that a "scam" you stupid cunt
>>1804240>he pays 35 yoorow funbux for one half of his sock system>says he wont buy Darn Toughs due to impost coststypical wew-o-poor logic
best deal for merino socks:https://www.amazon.com/Kirkland-Signature-Outdoor-Trail-Merino/dp/B07DX6HNBZ
>>1804302>tfw they don't have your size
>>1804159I used to follow the two pair system for awhile. Now I go with some leukotape on any spot where I have ever gotten a blister (heel and inside of big toe), and one pair of darn tough socks. No blisters ever this way.
>>1804302I bought these a few years ago and honestly they're pretty trash.Originally bought them for skiing but they're too thick to really give you the control you want, and in doing so packs out your boot to a level that you'll never need. Loose boots are the absolute worst since they cannot be fixed laterI just got back from a hike with them and my feet were sweating the entire time. They're simply too thick for round-year use, and you definitely won't need four pair.I love them in winter around the house though. Max comfy
>>1804298The pair weighs 235g though. Doubt you can get that amount of merino (70% so 164,5g) for much cheaper, especially considering they're made locally and not in Chinahttps://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B07GX4D2HH/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>>1804722>merino sockenyou are paying more for an extra letter, anonjust buy socks, ditch the socken
>>1804298>>1804833Proud mutt shitting up the thread as usualI checked it, darn tough are available at 20-30 bucks on either side of the pond. Can't compare them directly to the woolpower 800 because they don't state fabric weights, but 800 is extremely thick for socks.
>>1778203based>>1781039>steel cap, steel plate all goodugh, I had to wear these for work and I guarantee, every time I had the opportunity I chose my personnal, lighter ones
>>1779998fuck you cunt
>>1804851>mutts shitting up the thread>"No idea I'm from Europe"like pottery
>>1794568Looks like a lack of maintence is a problem also. Surely park rangers should be preventing these bogs in the first place and if not, closing the track.
>>1805284You're the one sperging out because someone doesn't know your favourite sock brand.
>>1789851don't get what everyone's bitching about. i wear goretex steeltoes every day, work in a kitchen, i take them hiking, my feet don't get more sweaty than they would in any of my other shoes. you just get used to them after a while in my experience.
>>1805476>implying i give a fuck what peasants put on their gnarled stumpsretard
>>1804240darn tough is available in almost any German online store that sells outdoor shit are you blind? Only thing is that darn tough went full black lives matter, so i wont buy them ever again.
>>1805961>being so sensitive that you wont even buy socks if somebody disagrees with youlmao
>>1806016yea blindly supporting a movement that wont even disclose where all the money goes off to is the way to go. my bad. yay to all the companies that do that for profit - you rock
>>1806321damn where are all these companies that completely disclose all of their financial dealings to the public whilst selling socksfucking retard
>>1806343apparently you cant even read so be happy that you can put on your own socks at least
>>1806369>he doesnt have assistants that garb himdude just stop