why do offroad vehicles hold their value so well? Do peopler really like offroading that much?
>>27206092You mean offroad as on "highest trim option"?
That's not a Jeep or Toyota
>>27206092aesthetics perceived ruggedness and reliabilitylimited supply (in the case of the raptor) upgradeability (in the case of base model jeeps)marketing (you just NEED a rubicon to go down that 2 track dirt road to the campsite)
>>27206092Gen 1 Raptors are appreciating now. Whipped gen 1 with 80k was $24k in 19. Now a stock truck with 130-140k is that much.The V6 gen 2 is what stopped the fall and the crazy R pricing is what started the trend upward. Inflation too of course. I think we'll see a slight dip as they lose their ability to get regular financing for normies.
On road you're restricted to lawsOff road there are no laws
>>27206692Off-road vehicles aren’t a trim option
all the Raptors i've seen are owned by (fat) lame Gen X dads who use it to tow their medium sized fishing boat (which they're too poor to store at the dock/marina/whatever) 2 or maybe 3 times a yearwhy the fuck would you get a Raptor for towing a boat? because you only care about looking cool to the other bloated henpecked Gen X dads who probably drive cuckovers>>27206092we've been over this, OP95% of 4x4 vehicles never leave pavement
>>27206852>Off-road vehicles aren’t a trim optionLiterally is a trim option, busrider.>If you want the most off-roading capability, you could go with the rugged Tremor trim or the high-powered F-150 Raptor. Still, the FX4 package provides a more cost-friendly option
>>27206852>>27206875Mine literally is the trim level. TRD Offroad (premium, if you wanna get specific). I've added about $8k in mods, but even so, the lower trim (SR5) does not have:>rear locker>crawl control>multi-terrain select (off road tc settings)>manually actuated 4wd lever (vs the electronic dial in the sr5 which could be a failure point)My goal was to make my rig more capable than the trd pro without making it so compromised on the road. Pic related. I enjoy asserting dominance to stock 4runners (yes, they're all driven by women and the elderly).
>>27206875First of all an F150 isn’t an off-road vehicle, it’s a truck. I can make a Crown Vic capable off the road but that does not make it an off-road vehicle. Raptors have a very specific off-road envelope that they excel at but a 4 door wheelbase will never allow it to make the same lines as a Humvee, a CJ, or an original Defender can make in the 99% of off-road situations that don’t require you to drive at 80MPH across salt flats.>>27206929The only option the TRD has that make an iota of difference off-road is the locker and slightly thicker skid plates.For less money you can go ahead and buy the SR5, put a 3inch lift, 34” tires and while you’re adding (a) locker(s) in the axle(s) regear to 4.56. Or if you want to be really smart about it skip the TRD and get a GX to have a better drivetrain to do the exact same thing to.
>>27206092car ownership to normies is all about larping
>>27206981I get frustrated with how "off-road" vehicles get lumped together. A Suzuki Sidekick will go plenty of places a Raptor won't, and there's plenty of shit a Raptor can do that you'd never even try in a CJ-5. None of those behave anything like or are driven anything like a Unimog. All are "off-roaders".
>>27207011Racecar LARP is worse How far back is your seat leaned?
>>27206981Do you also argue that 2 door wranglers are better than unlimiteds? Because in the West, long wheelbase fuckhuge machines are the best rigs. No, they're not ideal in narrow trails in dense forests, and neither are Jeeps or Suzukis
>>27206698future yard decoration/beer can storage
>>27206692Raptor isn't just a trim package.
>>27206092Mine says TRD offroad but is RWD only.>what did they mean by this?
>>27207294Its pretty well established that midsize platforms, especially 2 doors are the undeniable best at off roading regardless of basically anything. There is nothing to lose in an activity involving driving over things by shortening your wheelbase. Longer wheelbases are a liability 99.99% of the time
>>27207902The fastest offroad machines on the planet are rwd
>>27207985Aren't they all going to awd?
>>27207748its a regular F150 with minimal upgrades and all the flaws. ie rotting chassisfix it again tony
>>27207294>, and neither are Jeeps or SuzukisIf you mean that all forms of vehicle are shit in dense mountainous forest or jungle (yes even bicycles) then I agree with you. Anyone carrying a bike along a goat trail is just trying to prove a point and are shouldering it 9/10 of the time.
>>27207294>SuzukisShit, did you see the Top Gear special in Bolivia where James May had a Jimny? Fucker went in all the wrong places and still got out
>>27208926At least it's not a DixOtDgainGonyE
>>27207748Exactly. It's a lifestyle package. pic related
>>27206929Why did you get the step bars? It reduces your ground clearance by 1/3.
because vehicles built to go actually offroad are over built compared to unibody cuckboxes so theoretically minus motor/trans/transfer going bad things should last quite a while if it’s a pavement princess plus they look cool and every NPC is a empty shell and has to rely on appearances so they seem interesting to fellow NPCs
>>27208661Only a few teams use AWD and I'm pretty sure an AWD truck has never won the Baja. You may be able to come out of the corners faster but you also need to be careful and go slower in some sections so you don't grenade your front axles so they're not that much faster than a RWD truck. A lot of the AWD trophy trucks use portal axles in the front to lessen the axle travel needed but you still add another failure point.
>>27208926>all the flaws. ie rotting chassisIts literally made of aluminum retard. Rotting chassis is now exclusively a fiat and government motors problem now and has been for almost a decade.
>>27206092I offroaded a 2WD Celica, it was fun as fuck. I don't know why people buy lifted trucks with a high center of gravity though it's not like you can take a drift corner in a dirt road with them without getting launched out your window as it rolls.
>>27206092They’re fun. Remember that thing you used to have once? Fun!>>27209054AWD trucks took 1st and 2nd in the Baja 1000 just a couple days ago. The mason trucks dominate. Brenthel trucks also do well but apparently fall apart
>>27207985It's more about the shitloads of suspension travel they have instead being rwd is why they do so well offroad at high speed.
>>27209254If by chassis we are talking about the frame, then no, it’s not made of aluminum
>>27208926>its a regular F150 withAs far as my '10 goes, there's very little crossover, parts-wise, with the normal F150s. It's a different (reinforced) frame and, a different drive line, and a totally, completely different suspension. If you're talking about stuff like tail/headlights or the alternator bracket, well shucks, I guess you got me.The engine block and heads are the same, but the cams are different, and compression is just shy of 10:1. None of the glass is the same, and the only compatible body panel (that I know of) is the cab's floor pan, but only if you buy the 1/4-pan, and which is rotting out on mine, yes.
I'm in a thread full of city slickers.
>>27209604Who else is buying “off-road” trim packages? Anyone that’s ever actually “needed” to go off-road on a regular basis buys the vehicle that is capable in stock form.
>>27206827Sadly it seems that in my eastern European country there's more rules off road than on road
>>27207748It literally is.Straight from Ford:>For 2023, the F-150 introduces a new trim level known as the Raptor R to its lineup. Other trims available for the 2023 model year include XL, XLT, Lariat, King Ranch, Platinum, Limited, Tremor, Rattler, and Raptor.Fucking nocar busrider.
>>27209604>city slickers Good movie, despite half the cast being Jewish.
>>27206092Simple. You can fuck off away from the city. In the woods nobody's trying to scam you or sell you useless shit.
>try to buy a v6 2wd access cab>every v6 is trapped in in a TuRD 4x4 crew cab
>>27210078I hate crew cabsluv me extended cabs with assisted suicides.
>>27210103Extended cabs that just give you headroom and a little bit of storage need to make a comeback.
>>27206929>those sidestepsYou don't offroad
>>27206929you sound like a huge faggotI've noticed that where I live, anyone driving anything that says TRD on it is pretty much guaranteed to drive like a 60 IQ nigger and they're generally bigger dipshits than jeep drivers. what is the reason for this?
>>27206092>why do offroad vehicles hold their value so well?Not all of them do. If you mean pickup trucks, they hold their value well because everyone wants one, except when the economy is in the shitter and no bank will give normies a loan for one.The ones I'm looking at don't crack $6k even in this gay auto market. I'm not in the market for a car right now though, something tells me I shouldn't be buying a car right now.
>>27206981Hahahahahhahahahahah>humveeThey suck absolute ass.The only thing they do "well" is bombed-out desert and yet they've never won baja.They're over 7 feet wide so they suck on trails.
>>27209593>None of the glass is the sameYou're fucking high dude.It's the same truck with some bolt-ons, albeit some fancy bolt-ons.>2010 Ford Raptor windshield part #9L3Z-15031See pic.
>>27212811>The only thing they do "well" is bombed-out desertThat's what they're designed for, so they do fine there. Anything else, the weaknesses become apparent.
>>27212806What offroader doesn’t hold its value well?
>>27206092Unmolested offroad vehicles retain value for the same reason sports cars do. They have the potential for the next buyer to use them for their intended purpose. A mint condition XJ is valuable because all of the other ones are clapped out. It can bought at peak factory capability and modified into a god tier offroader. An enthusiast will pay the premium because they don't have to unfuck whatever the previous owner did to it.
>>27207923No, they're not, you fucking mongoloid. Look at any Ultra4 4400 car and they all have very similar wheelbases to a JLU. Long wheelbase is the meta. You can get more travel and flex with them and better off camber stability.
>>27212880Montero. Armada. Commander.
>>27212978Montero is a good truck but I can’t imagine they have great parts availability given the small number produced for USDM; small numbers and aged products worry me with parts availability(I say that as the owner of 3 different vehicles from 3 different defunct brands). Also aren’t certain years IRS?Armada is IRS and some of the worst Nissan quality I’ve seen. I’d trust the Xterra or Frontier but I’ve never seen an older Armada without electrical issues of some sort.Commander is unibody and... well... it’s a Jeep. I guess if you can avoid the 3.7l it’s not horrible.Sometimes it’s better to spend a little more money for a better product up front.
HELL YEA OFFROAD BROTHERS
>>27213188Montero 01-06 is front double wish and rear multi-link. it can do everything but crawling large rocks.
>>27212959>they don't have to unfuck whatever the previous owner did to it.I welded my bolt-on lift kit to the frame.Also welded my nerf bars to the frame.Fuck the next guy. He should have planned his next purchase better.
>>27207985You wanna try again
>>27214650Gravel and dirt rally stages are still roads you fucking retard. A rally car would last 5 minutes in the Baja. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0DO93fnwrI
>>27214661Not really but ya tried, champ
>>27214671Driving down a dirt road is not "off roading". I don't know why you think it is.
>>27207985You can see the CV shaft in the picture, that thing is either AWD or 4wd
>>27214687That one is AWD, they are coming about but for the longest time AWD was worse cause the shit kept breaking from how rough the race is.
>>27206092Boomers love to larp as rugged outdoorsmen and to them that means spending tens or hundreds of thousands on trucks that can't even keep up with stock sport bikes off road.When you can do harder stuff on basically any $1000 shitbike you'll realize 4x4s are just a money pissing contest for larping boomers and nothing more
>>27214748Not at all. A trophy truck could compete in and finish a rally race. A rally car would fall apart minutes into a Baja race. Comparing a rally course to the Baja or implying a rally course of remotely off road is just really dumb.
>>27214639Doesn't welding on the frame weaken it?
>>27214650The quattro wasn't even the fastest group b car.It was more of a toss up between the Delta and 205 T16.
>>27214833No.If you've ever seen something like a semi towtruck, it started out as a normal semi and was lengthened, modifications included welding a new segment of frame to the original.
>>27207294>long wheelbase are the bestBest at poseur photoshoots and mall crawling maybe. In real life they're getting high centered with 37s on shit a stock 2 door will drive over and having to make 27 point turns on switchbacks
>>27215429Delta with ground effect skirts and the extra special fire extinguishers was ... fast.
>>27215686Lol.Your only offroad experience is watching some MOAB YouTube channel.Post your rig.
>>27215850>Lol.>Your only offroad experienAACK!
>>27215888>resorts to using a mobile welder as an example.Still waiting to see your rig.
>>27215888Post shoe on hood or fuck off. Nice moneymaker though, and carrying that much weight getting high centered on that lump is no surprise. I'd have skipped the pretty rims and gotten taller tires for pipelining.
>>27207985>>27214650>>27214661How is the Baja not gravel roads, too??During an actual off-road race like the SuperKarpata both of your vehicles would get stuck in mere minutes, the RWD in probably even in seconds.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpRmmGEVNz8.
>>27215910>Still waiting to see your rAAAACK
>>27206092if you ask most people "What is your favorite truck", 99% of them are going to say a Raptor. They have HUGE normie appeal and most people think they're just badass. Jeeps are a similar story, but a bit more niche. People who are really into offroading with custom rigs and shit will probably dislike newer jeeps or raptors, but to the average guy/girl a Raptor is the best you can get. Gen 1/2/3 doesn't really matter.
>>27218238You live in a weird bubble, if you ask 99% of people what is their favorite truck they’re going to respond with (a) favorite brand, (b) talk about their truck, and finally (c) talk about their next truck they’re going to buy.
>>27206092What exactly are you asking? Do you think the extra shit like 4x4, and heavier duty suspension shouldn't add to the cost of the vehicle?
>>27206981>I can make a Crown Vic capable off the road but that does not make it an off-road vehicle.Except that's exactly what it does? Did you fail reasoning in school?
>>27206092People demand 4wd just in case it snows. Dead serious. They won't use it any other time but the one big snowstorm a year.
>>27218980Still worth it. Even if you don't have snow you still need 4x4 to use the performance potential of a modern truck. 4hi launches are fun and that infinite traction means you can easily add performance and actually use it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6MaS7tNGNU
>>27216656Lemmee run that plate right quick
>>27218451>Break over angles, approach/departure angle, lack of transfer case, smaller axles, small wheel wells.Nope still not an offroader
>>27219492>>Break over angles, approach/departure angle, lack of transfer case, smaller axles, small wheel wellsThen you didn't do anything to make it "capable of the road"
>>27219501But you just testified that a lift and 32”s made it an off-road vehicle.Make up your mind.
>>27219513I did not and I don't know who did.
>>27219513nice video game render
>>27219541You can thank Google for all of these, where they came before that who knows
>>27208956>Why did you get the step bars? It reduces your ground clearance by 1/3.Because like every other TuRDburglar, he's a manlet.
>>27216656>guys, guys, look! I found a picture of a truck that's stuck!! I've never been offroad but I bet this happens to everybody!!!