Name a better new car enthusiast car for under $40,000
>>27018671This is sick as fuck
>>27018671Can you really get one for under 40k?
>>27018702Idk, I would never buy a new car.
>>27018668You can always add power to a Miata. You can't make a Camaro not fat and give it a non-rental car tier suspension
>>27018715>You can always add power to a Miata. You can't make a Camaro not fat and give it a non-rental car -ACKKek
>>27018706Well sadly where I live used cars still cost more than new cars so for the last couple of years buying used has been completely pointless.
>>27018795Miata bros.....
>>27018668Your mom
>>27018795>benchracingpost car
>>27018668c5 zo6.
M4
>>27018668Mustang. Camaro is for trannies
>>27018702No, you can't get one at all.They're dead ruff0lKKKUntz(t. ackthual Camaro owner)
>>27018668The Camaro is a good car, even the 2.0 4 popper, much like the Stangs. I hate this stupid stigma Camaros (and Chevys in general have). They are good cars and can be had cheap if bought used.
>>27018668>new camaro>under 40kLmao. No dealer is going to have an LT1 without 10-20k in options and it's impossible to get an allocation.
>>27018891M4 costs like $60k, which is ZL1 money, which would obliterate an m4. That’s not even a track package Camaro they’re comparing it to; they should compare it to a regular 4 series and not an M in that case.
>>27018795Reminder that the pigshit Camero gets shit on by a base model WRX. You can't make this up
>>27019783R A N D YP O B S T
B O L TO OL....LT.......T
>>27019810OK here is one that isn't from Randy Pobst. The Base Model WRX still mogs the 2.0T Pigmaro
>>27019374Nope, you can buy a used M4 competition for less than 30k
>>27018795How does this refute the guys point? The lighter car with bolt on power is going to win against the heavier car with similar power.
>>27019783>Pigshit Camaro>Both have the same curb weight
>>27018668This new car enthusiast car looks great. $40,000 is pretty steep though. I believe you can only afford a Corolla.
Mustang GT
>>27018891Why does 2016 feel as long ago as 2006?
>>27019942Lets seeMaximaCorollaMaximaCamryCamryCorolla
>>27019959Yes, I had my Camry for that long.
>>27019942I thought it was $30,000 lmao inflation is real!
>>27019374The whole premise of the article and video was that the alpha platform is amazing and that it's within a fraction of a second of an M car for basically half price. Similar to when they did the '11 Mustang GT vs the E92 M3 competition package. >>27019891OP literally specified "new cars under 40k" you fucking idiot. >>27019943GTs start at $43.5k now Anon.
>>27018795you just proved his point you actual retard
>>27018715On the other hand, Camaro is still usable as an only car.Good luck getting groceries into a Miata.It’s only viable as a second car - if that’s what you’re looking for, I agree, it is a better choice.
>>27020015Just put them into the passenger footwell
>>27020037I guess that depends on how often do you get groceries and if you cook for yourself / eat out.I know that my groceries wouldn’t fit.
>>27020015Funny you say that when I daily drive my Miata and stuff it with groceries all the time. About one walshart basket worth fits in the trunk, and you still have the parcel shelf, passenger seat and footwell, and directly in front of your driver seat behind your legs for more stuff. Pic related and that wasn't really even full, there was still room for a few more things.
Miata ClubBRZ...Camaro is my 3rd pick, but those are better for what I like (commute-speed powerslides).
>>27020258>I can fit all my groceries in a MiataThere are people who move all their groceries with a bike in Europe, you know.What I mean is, fine, it’s enough for some. Good for you. For many (if not most) it won’t work though. It’s also quite inconvenient to have to do some Tetris stuff to fit it all in instead of just throwing it there without a care.t. daily drives a station wagon
>>27020285My station wagon is my second car lmao.
>>27020345Nice line up
>>27019936Except it made sense that the WRX weighs that much because its AWD and a 4 door sedan . The Pigmaro in theory should be lighter since its RWD and a two seater but for some odd reasons GM made it fucking heavy as shit
>>27019970Camaro is getting cancelled this year lol
>>27020466It was canceled for 2003 too Anon. What's your point?
>>27018668ND2 MX-5 Miata
>>27018795Actual fucking retard
>>27020525Actual correct answer. The only cars better than a camaro in the US are the ND2 Club and BRZ/nu-86 - and the ND2 is clearly the best of all of them. Mustang is 4th best.The EU has the A110, but it's auto-only.
>>27019783>>27020441reminder a 4 cylinder camaro does 1:25 with all seasons, shitting on any poobaru or shitsubishi.
>>27020572>1:25 with all seasonswith summer tires*
>>27020553>Auto onlyNot even worth mentioning. And the brz is like 500lbs so it's a distant second to the nd2. Any pony car without a V8 is an abomination that has no right to exist, and the one trim of Camaro that can be had with the V8 / manual and still be had under $40k is basically vaporware, so OPs post might be correct but only in a theoretical sense.
>>27019971how did he prove his point? if people could easily beat things by dumping more money into their already more expensive shitiata, they'd actually win races. but they can't outside their own one-make series by themselves. car simply can't handle as good, and no amount of money being dumped into it will make it compete with the state of the art alpha platform.there's a reason Poobaru benchmarked the alpha platform for the ST04, and not any shit can by mazda. also, enjoy blowing your engine trying to keep up with a stock camaro.
>>27020587>Any pony car without a V8 is an abominationWhat’s wrong with treating it as just a sports car?
>>27020616Copium. To acknowledge the amazing performance deal of 2.0-3.6 camaros is to also acknowledge how meek and incellic Japanese sportscars are simultaneously and the ricer incels on /o/ will never let that come to pass. At the end of the day it doesn't matter which trim of the Gen 6 Camaro you get from the LS-ZL1 they all have incredible handling/balance/power for their performance and price brackets anyone saying otherwise is a coper that needs to transition to a roper.
>>27018668>under $40,000Please tell me you aren't >implyingthat a V6 camaro is an enthusiast car. It's not. It's a rental/girl spec car.
>>27020773I can see why you'd say that. A v6 camaro is a fine car for a feminine homosexual man. All of the style of the real thing but with more sensible fuel economy and no icky high performance, which is just gross and bad for the environment. A real home run from GM for the twink crowd.
>>27020773>incellic Japanese sportscars>a coper that needs to transition to a roperKek, buttjelly weebcels BTFO
>>27020793How insecure about your sexuality do you have to be to connect it to having a v8?>no, I’m not homosexual because…>I drive a v8, you see!>you’re the homosexual for not having a one!>I’m definitely not projecting!Normal man’s masculinity doesn’t come from his car, if you need your car to affirm your masculinity, you’re obviously lacking in that regard.
>>27020789Even the v6 is about on par with a 370z, no reason to be upset about it.
>>27020798it is insane how ugly they made these fucking things. my dream would be to gut an SS and stuff the engine and tranny into a BRZ
>>27020833This is precisely the seething I expected form a closeted homo. It's ok man, just come out. This is a safe place
>>27021126shut up you gay retardgo buy a prius>>27020833based minivan engine haters are reddit
Any Chevrolet executives in here? I had an 2023 Camaro order for Canada built in March and it still hasn't come in. Meanwhile others are getting 2024's after just 4 weeks of production. For fuck's sake I don't know what to do. Customer service is the most useless garbage I have seen in any car company, and there is no tracking app like civilized car companies have
>>27020580>>27020572>Modifies the car to go faster that isn't from the factory.Wow modifying the car shortens time who would would knew? Funny how that time isn't in the fastest lap time website because that time would be considered as a modified car instead of a factory car. KYS Pigmaro shill, your car will never beat a fucking base model WRX.
>>27020964Implying that you can get a v6 camaro brand new for 37 grand usd in 2023 without stealership markups and useless options thrown in for no reason other than to mark up the price.
>>27021119Okay ricecel.
>>27020793Nice cope now rope ricecel.
>>27021230>>27021240keep sneeding, your 4 banger isn't a real maro manlet
What's the reliability like with the 6.2? Thinking of picking up a 1SS.
>>27018668This car don't exist anymore brah.I remember seeing $2xx/month lease deals on the V8 Camary LT1, but there ain't no such thing around. Barely any dealers have any LT1s, and they all have a bajillion options making them more than SS trims. It's ridiculous, completely defeats the purpose. It only exists that way because it makes the dealers maxxx profit to sell to some old boomer who wants four different butt heaters for his crippled ass.FUCK THIS PLANETGLOBAL NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST NAO!MINECRAFT ALL HUMANS IN THE STREETS IN MASS
>>27021918It's sad isn't it. The time to buy new and even used cars was just a few years ago. The LT1 debuted with a MSRP of 35k. The whole point of that trim was to make V8 models more accessible. Now that same trim costs $40k which is more than the 1SS did at $38k. ZL1 used to cost $63k and now it's $73k. Shits fucked.If there's someone to blame, blame increased CAFE standards and worldwide Western government initiatives forcing manufacturers to transition into BEVs. Consumers aren't choosing this so that leaves government bureaucrats. A few years ago for example Ford cut its entire car lineup except for the Mustang. They did that because first of all, consumers want CUVs over sedans and secondly they have to bring the average fuel economy up to avoid serious fees. Manufacturers are making fewer cars. That means lower supply and with a similar level of demand, higher prices. Made worse with a dumpster fire of an economy and "supply chain shortages."
a 5k miata with 35k of mods
>>27021240A new exhaust and a tune on a miata is all it takes to crush your shitbox flying brick.
>>27023096Try 2 grand, cope and sneed.
>>27020773>meek and incellic>ignores 90% of Japanese sports cars for a roadster
>>27023190>the year is 2023>Miata>FRS>BRZ>GR86>Corrolla >CivicAll of those are the Japanese cars that sell the most and they're incellic and meek and what you'll see 99.9999999% of the time when you're driving. Cope more but really just rope.
>>27023232Do you feel like a smug hipster with a lower trim, asthmatic 4-6cyl American "muscle" car? Do you want a trophy for dealing with their shit reliability
>>27023579You're talking to a broken man, not sure what you expect anon. They're gone. Have you ever succesfully talked a gay dude out of cock? Maybe someone has, but good luck.
>>27023232I see, you got gapped by a 370Z and never recovered.
>>27023749>370ZSee >>27023579 >>27020789 >>27020793V6 cars are not real sports cars, chud. Get a proper V8 American sports car and not weeb incel magnets and then we can talk cylinderlet.
>>27023579>Do you want a trophy for dealing with their shit relia- ACKK
>>27023787I own a miata nigger, but good luck moving that lead goalpost.
>>27023781Don't fucking quote me again you ESL nigger donkey dick gobbler. Learn to follow a fucking comment chain.
>>27018668$3000 Civic with a few simple mods
>>27023962>calls turbo 4 and 6 cylinder engines "asthmatic">drives an n/a 4 cylinderKek>good luck dealing with the ReLiAbIlItY chud>says the JDMcel to the domesticKek x2Thanks for the clown show weebtards, keep it up
>>27024011>JDMcelbut my Miata is not JDM, it's USDM
>>27021463i have a 5th gen ss. i have the ls3 in mine. so needless to say, itll survive anything.buy a v8 camaro. do it. follow your heart.
>>27018668Hideous
>>27018668there isn't. a v8 camaro is hands down the best dollar for dollar sports car for the everyman. with its demise this year, the only real option is a mustang gt, preferably in above gt trims. the darkhorse msrp is under a z08 vette, and on paper should eat it alive.
>>27024049Its the one argument they cant weasel around, its just an ugly fuckin car man. Been ugly since the unveiling of retro muscle, still hideous today. Can't image driving something so gross looking but theres no accounting for taste or the lack thereof.
>>27024082It's one of the most muscular looking cars you can get. Show me another car more muscular looking. It earns that look so LARP mobiles don't count.
>>27024082The camaro peaked with the zeta facelift. The alpha platform introduced hyperaggressive lines and gaping angles to the front end that made it look like a chinese hotwheels car while the rest of the body was lackluster and had no detail
>>27024029Your miata (that you don't own) has only ever been produced in Hiroshima you flaming doublenigger.
>>27024011Yes your turbo turd that can't handle the heat lapping the nurburgring twice is not as reliable as any miata of any year. Your lower trim high school graduation present is a piece of shit. Fuck your father in the face for me.
Camaro>Japan. I4 camaro>all jap 3-4cyl shitboxes. V8 Camaro>The rest of the japan. /thread cope and seed ricecel niggers.
>>27024389Your triple nigger ass does not know what those acronyms stand for. Japanese Domestic Market is used to refer to vehicles sold originally in Japan, where it was built is irrelevant. For example, an XJ Jeep Cherokee manufactured in Toledo, Ohio and exported for sale in Japan is JDM. A USDM (United States Domestic Market) car is one originally sold in America, like my Miata. Now post your car you dumbfuck zoomer busrider.
>>27024390>Yes your turbo turd that can't handle the heat lapping the nurburgring twice is not as reliable as any miata of any year. Your lower trim high school graduation present is a piece of shit. Fuck your father in the face for me.Camaro turbo with 1LE and Ecoboost with High Performance Package are more track ready than your pipsqueak hairdresser car, chuddie
>>27024456If I had you in front of me you couldn't even mumble an apology. You're a bitchmade faggot memetard shitposter who will die a virgin. Don't shoot up your school, I don't need that much satisfaction in my life that I made muttmerica a better place.
>>27024436>JDM or Japanese Domestic Market refers to anything and everything made in JapanWow that was hardAnyone else want that L?
>>27024572That's incorrect. Japanese Domestic Market refers to cars SOLD in Japan. Not BUILT in Japan.
>>27018795a second faster on a worse chassis with 125 more hp, having a faster track time doesn't make it better, the Miata has more potential. "but it is more expensive" Then I'll buy a 15 y/o NC, not a ND, and use the difference to get it to 300 hp. you still lose.
>>27020345never understood the whole miata larp but to each there own, looks like you love it and take care of it, so theres that. i guess the handling is very good? like a lotus exige or something? real light? i really just dont care for them but i guess i can see the appeal lol
>>27024661A stock miata is nowhere near as stiff as a lotus. It's a really solid platform to build from being so light with double wishbones all around on NA/NB and double wishbone front with multilink rear for NC/ND. Anyone shittalking a miata has never driven one, you need to drive it to get it.
>>27018668Depends on how hardcore you are, for casuals this is probably the best option but if your autism is off the charts you could get a kit car
>>27024436>Now post your car you dumbfuck zoomer busrider.He won't post his lime green Camaro, he'll be laughed out of the thread again
>>27024651>the Miata has more potentialkek, it doesn't. the camaro shits on the miata with all seasons. with summer tires of its own, the gap gets even bigger.>>27020572imagine thinking that shitbox has the better chassis and it already loses to a car on all seasons, let alone the same rubber.
>>27024563Hahaha nice projection miatanigger. The fact you defend the incel cars of incel cars instantly guarantees your virginity. The lowest power train of the camaro smokes your ricer garbage. All I have to say is 2 things and you're banished to the shadow realm.... SS1le ZL1le. Bye Ricecel.
>>27024822I own miata and am here to educate you coons on what JDM means.
>>27025225No one cares about your gay tranny nigger feminist headmates that whisper "incel" in that busted up grey matter you call a brain. The best part of you was expelled from your mother's cunt after your unfortunate ejection on this earth. Shit holds greater worth than the sorry excuse you call a life. Post another wojak faggot, we're all laughing. You will greentext part or all of this post because I own you.
>>27025250No, I'm talking about Camarofag
>>27025225>UHHH UHHH NEED I REMIND YOU THEY MAKE A V8 VERSION OF MY MOM'S OLD CAR SHE GIFTED ME FOR BEATING MENTAL RETARDATION AND GRADUATING FROM THE SPECIAL ED PROGRAM INTO A CARHOP AT SONIC?
>>27025325Yes and he's quoting me, a person who owns a ND2 and knows the actual definition of JDM, not some bullshit definition some faggot from Jalopnik dreamt up on peyote at burning man with two dude's in his ass.
>>27024576Yes I sure love my JDM Porsche. Are you niggers fucking serious with this shit right now?
>>27025337Yes, what the fuck else does Japanese Domestic Market mean otherwise? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_domestic_market
>>27025383Anyone can edit redditpedia, I don't care you fucking faggot.
>>27025337>tfw no JDM Mustang parts
>>27025399>anyone can edit WikipediaBad edits get reverted near instantly. You're still fucking wrong, retard. https://www.autolist.com/guides/what-is-jdm-carhttps://www.hotcars.com/what-does-jdm-mean-the-real-story-behind-japanese-domestic-market-cars/https://www.carlogos.org/reviews/what-is-a-jdm-car.htmlhttps://www.drivingline.com/articles/what-is-jdm-defining-the-japanese-domestic-market/
>>27025259>>27025328Seething ricecels hahaha keep showing me how retarded you are. The miata is a faggotmobile and always will be, a literal clown car. Only other incels can see it, it's invisible to a normal person's eye.
>>27025489You drive a 3,500lb turbo 4 "muscle car" with no heritage, no racing clubs, no autocross support, no aftermarket support that was forgotten about the moment it was released. It is as forgettable as you and your shitposts on this shithole of a website.
>>27024421Camarosisters, our reply?
>>27025337Yes? If you feel the need to classify cars made in Japan into their own category for some reason, just call them Japanese cars.
>>27018710Absolutely BASED. double BASED for posting the yellow one.
enthusiastic enthusiast thrusting with enthusiasm. im going to enfooooose
>>27020773Based post is based
>>27025593>with no heritageLmao zoom zoomCamaro is older than you and your gay little rice cooker mobile. 5th and 6th gen were designed and engineered with Al Oppenheiser as chief engineer and the turbo 4 option was made for a reason.https://www.hagerty.com/media/archived/al-oppenheiser-interview/
>>27025593>no autocross supportwhat? you mean driving around some faggy ass cones in the parking lot of a walmart? is that actually a metric in which a performance oriented driving machine is taken seriously?did the world's greatest drivers look at shit like the Chuck Mcdowell F1 or the Fettuccine Alfredo F40 and say, "all this pasta and british baked beans inspired design is cool, but what about its ability to coast around some parking lot cones?"
>>27025593Angry incel lmfao. It's actually 3,300 for the turbo and 3,400 for the V6. I don't know about you but I remember seeing a Camaro at Le Mans... I don't remember seeing any ricer incelboxes there? Was there a miata in the race? Clown car driving cuck Bahahaha.
>>27025593What the fuck are you talking about kek? There is a shit on of kits for the 2.0. You can easily get +70 HP for a 1,000$ and get pretty damn close to V8 performance. You're just in denial and on that weebcel JDM coolaid. America has been doing longer dumbass modding and tuning is an American thing originally born from hotrodding and grease monkeying. Learn real heritage and get the fuck off of this board incel freak.
>>27026434>pretty damn close to v8 performance Hahahaha. You drive a 2.0. Congrats on being amonst the Honda Boys. Shut the fuck up fast and the furious boy. The v8 men are talking.
>>27026402I don't remember the Le Mans Camaro being the shitty 4 cylinder turbo either so please try again and justify why your shitty 4 cylinder turbo camaro is Great again?
>>27026453>>27026458Samefag loser.
>>27026466Cope and seethe honda fit kid. Your mother sits on the hood of my v8 and the rumble makes her cum. Your 2.0 does nothing for anybody. Econoshitbox with a wannabe fast car body kit
>>27026471Kek. The miata fag got so assblasted he's larping as a V8 owner. 2.0 is a punchline because it assrapes JDM crap not because we own that trim. Learn your place clown car driving faggot.
>>27026504You can't afford to fill the tank of my 2ss 1le broke cunt. Poverty must suck
>>27018795>stupid anemic mazda owner my hecking epic car with 118 more horsepower is 1.7 SECONDS FASTER THAN URS!!!holy benchrace LOLLLL
>>27018668Anything that can have big wheels.This is the secret of good enthusiast car, the wheels. Car already build to hold naturally some big circles.
>>27026402Didn't this thing end up 39th? Behind not just the LMP but also all the GTE cars.
>>27026511>You can't afford to fill the tank of my 2ss 1le broke cunt. Poverty must suck
>>27026600Anon it looks like you are very knowledgeable of miatas and gay culture. Is there something you want to be open about? It's OK we won't make fun of you for coming out.
>>27026511>my 2ss 1leBread on hood. >>27026504>he's larping as a V8 ownerKek. Imagine getting bullied so hard they have to larp like they have the very same car they are screeching about in their little sperg out. Ricers down bad.
>>27026453>>27026458Lmao all you need is a good driver like Randy Pobst in the turbo i4 to wipe the cocky bugmen off the track and off the windshield because that's how beastly the Camaro is at each level.
I can't imagine driving a nigger car like a Camaro. Do you listen to bad rap music and drink Henessey too?
>>27026844some people just like the best handling cars. do you let black men cuck you out of cute white girls too?
>>27026912There's no way some nigger yankee car handles well doing anything other than driving in a straight line.
>>27026915and then you saw this>>27018795 and these>>27020572>>27020597>>27025114>he ACTUALLY lets black men cuck him out of the best handling cars, and cute white girls
>>27026820Except randy in that Instagram post you posted said that he only primarily uses that camaro to have fun in the streets. He even implies that the v8 version is more of a track car purpose than the 4 cylinder turbo. If randy doesn't even want to track the 4 cylinder turbo camaro then how would you get other good drivers to track the 4 cylinder turbo camaro? There's a reason why people track with their bugmen Jap cars than the 4 cylinder turbo camaro.
>>27026990>There's a reason why people track with their bugmen Jap cars than the 4 cylinder turbo camaro.they're poor? admittedly, buying a 10 year old bugman car is easier than buying a sixth gen camaro, since it hasn't even existed for 10 years.
>>27027009So wouldn't a brand new under 40,000 USD base model WRX be a better choice because you get 4 doors, AWD, aftermarket support and faster than a camaro 4 cylinder turbo as seen here?>>27019783Hell even randy would rather track a base model WRX than a 2.0 4 cylinder turbo camaro. In before "muh summer tires", summer tires are not from the factory according Chevy themselves and was only used in the article because the mustang ecoboost did include summer tires from the factory. Also the tires they used for the camaro from that article was not named so who knows what tires did they use to get the 1.25 time. At this point you are just making hypotheticals to make the camaro 4 cylinder turbo sound more faster for the price.
I'm convinced at this point that OP is trolling. He would have to be a living cartoon character otherwise, its such over the top coping that its just silly.
your mom.
>>27027134>if you can't afford anything but a 10 year old shitbox, wouldn't it be better to drop nearly 40k on a shitty poobaru to void the warranty with muh ebin rally mawds instead of just buying a pair of summer tires from tirerack and shitting on everyone in a camaro that cost nearly 10k less? at least you'll have 4 doors for your wife's son so you can take him to see his father on the weekendsidk man. seems retarded but if you hate good handling cars that much, and want some souped up shitbox platform, with the intention of modifying it to have no coverage, go ahead. you clearly can't be convinced otherwise, no matter how illogical that sounds when said out loud.>so who knows what tires did they use to get the 1.25 timeThey are the same kind of summer tires you'd find on a basic bitch mustang, they mentioned it in the article. you can buy them from any tire store. cheaper than a night out with your mom. less tire maintenance than a poobaru, too. cause no AWD.>At this point you are just making hypotheticalsits not a hypothetical. the lap time exist, the tires exist, we know its faster with summer tires. easiest shit in the world to make happen. "factory tires" are not an absolute. no seal is broken when you change a vehicle's tires. Why even mention AWD like its an advantage when it comes with summer tires from the factory, making it useless in the snow. the camaro is actually a better daily driver for coming with all seasons. imagine poobaru needing a RUBBER advantage, AND an AWD advantage to beat the lowest trim camaro. the fact that they benchmarked the alpha platform >>27020597 for their most powerful poobaru model tells you everything you need to know about who makes the better vehicle.
>>27027169Of course he's trolling, no one actually likes the Camaro, there's a reason why it's being discontinued, and it's because no one likes that piece of shit, but it's fun to shitpost with JDM people from time to time you know?
>>27027352Well yeah exactly, thats the only way it makes sense. Every time I check the thread he's posted 4 more times. I got up at 330 AM to piss, he had just posted. The dedication to the bit is admirable, I'll say that
>>27027352>no one actually likes the Camaro>B-Bro please believe meLmao blow it out your ass. There are a ton of anons on here that have posted their pony cars. They're fun rear wheel drive coupes that come with manual as standard. This is the aut/o/ board and if you aren't an enthusiast you can fuck off back to >>>/n/ faggot.
>>27027366From time to time, you'll stumble upon people who give up way more time and energy than they should for shitposting, it's a sight to be seen
>>27018668Agreed, /thread. Any /o/tard ricer would beg to differ but they're all shitbox driving incels so their opinions are automatically discarded.
>>27027169>over the top coping>Uhh you're the one coping because you're having fun driving your pony car while I'm a poorfag stuck driving a shitbox REEEE!See how retarded you sound?
>>27027375There are 5 shit posters and this board is so slow they can shit up every single thread
>>27027375Take your meds samefag and I don't mean HRT you silly queermo
>>27027349(1/2)>if you can't afford anything but a 10 year old shitbox, wouldn't it be better to drop nearly 40k on a shitty poobaru to void the warranty with muh ebin rally mawdsDidn't say anything about modifying the WRX in any way. I only said aftermarket support which means you DO HAVE THE OPTION to modify the car you want but you don't have to. The fact of the matter is, stock vs stock, No modifications except for factory only packages, the base model WRX will win against the camaro 2.0T because the time in the same benchmark website YOU posted said that the base model WRX is faster than the camaro 2.0 turbo.>you clearly can't be convinced otherwise, no matter how illogical that sounds when said out loud.You still haven't proved that a camaro 2.0T is better other than falling back to non factory modifications. The benchmark website does count different tires as modifications so it should be discarded because anyone can just modify their cars and get a better time to own the shitboxes.>They are the same kind of summer tires you'd find on a basic bitch mustang.It does matter that we know what tires they use because then you can check yourself that you can do that time. >its not a hypothetical. the lap time exist, the tires exist, we know its faster with summer tiresIt is a hypothetical because there isn't a time recorded WITH summer tires on the factory base model WRX. Of course the camaro will be faster with summer tires but without it no.>less tire maintenance than a poobaru, too. cause no AWDJust don't be poor and actually take care of your car?>Why even mention AWD like its an advantage when it comes with summer tires from the factory, making it useless in the snowI didn't say Subaru WRX comes from the factory with summer tires. The purpose of a base model subaru wrx is just to be a family car. What I did say is that the mustang from the factory comes with summer tires as a package while the camaro did not.
>>27027349>>27027492>imagine poobaru needing a RUBBER advantage, AND an AWD advantage to beat the lowest trim camaro. the fact that they benchmarked the alpha platform for their most powerful poobaru model tells you everything you need to know about who makes the better vehicleAren't you doing the same argument of the camaro 2.0T needing better rubber to win against a Base Model WRX? Also the benchmark you posted is not the 2.0T Camaro so try again
>>27018710Sings of truth.
>>27018796>>27018796>used cars still cost more than new carsThis has got to be a scam.
>>27027503Suburu is an incel car and slower than the slowest version of the Camaro I think a funnier comparison is the GT WRX still being slower than an LS camaro in a line and the GT being dickslapped by an LT1 for less money.
>>27020773Fucking based
>>27027681Can you read this >>27019783 and this >>27019836? because it says the base model WRX is faster than the camaro 2.0T. Also LS camaro is not under 40 grand Brand New so I don't know why you are bring up other variants of camaros.
>>27025823skill issue
>>27027720I was talking about 0-60 and top speed for the LS. A 2023 LS is $28k a 2023 and $37k for the LT1 and I was comparing them to the WRX GT which is $44k to highlight how shitty it is.
>>27027740Anon why you lying its over 40 grand just for a base LT1 and that's not accounting for the stealership markups and the options they will shove in to make it way over 40 grand.
>>27027805kek if we are account markup and stealership tips then then every thing I listed equally goes up 3-5k and the results are still the same, I was going off of official MSRP list prices from the manufacturers. But again either way the results are the exact same just more expensive for every car across the board so this is not a "gotcha" kek
>>27027820>I was going off of official MSRP list prices from the manufacturersWell fucking don't. Those don't work for vehicles like these.
>>27027503>this dumbass nigger wrote this entire cope post and doesn't know that the WRX comes with summer tires, and that's what he's comparing in the lap time he posted.holy fucking retard batman, what a waste of time, lmao.>he STILL thinks tires are some magical absolute, and cannot be changed>despite the fact that they are not considered a modification even by the manufacturer and do not void warranty>are the easiest fucking thing in the world to swap out>but his entire argument hinges on GM not including tires with the camaro, so you somehow can't beat the WRX by just going to any local tire shop>all of this would still be cheaper than buying a WRXlmfao>>27027503>Aren't you doing the same argument of the camaro 2.0T needing better rubberNo, you absolute dumbass. the WRX comes with summer tires, that is what motor trend tested the car on. when both are on summer tires the WRX is slower. the WRX is the one on BETTER TIRES not the camaro. with summer tires of its own, the camaro is on equal footing, and faster.>>27027720can you read ?>>27020572 1:25 is clearly faster than any poobaru.>inb4 he copes with "going to the tire shop and being on equal footing is cheating!!!">there isn't a time recorded WITH summer tiresboth of the times you posted of the WRX are on summer tires, they come with summer tires. holy shit, imagine being this clueless after typing all that shit out when you could've just googled.
>>27027835>but his entire argument hinges on GM not including tires with the camaro, so you somehow can't beat the WRX by just going to any local tire shopPoobaru somehow included summer tires on their base model WRX but GM with the backing of the most economic country in the world and bailed them out so many times couldn't included it in their "performance" car? Sounds like a you problem for picking a shit car to begin with to shill. The fact that the most you can get is All Seasons tells me GM Jewed you lol. For 40 grand USD and you don't even get summer tires for their performance car is fucking hilarious. Even the fucking motortread article blasts GM for only giving you all seasons.>can you read ?1:25 is clearly faster than any poobaruPost the 1:25 time in the fastest lap time website to correct the 1:27 time and let's see if they accept this time or not. Its the website you use the most so clearly it will streamline the process. If it gets in and doesn't show as modified I will gladly kneel but until then the 1:27 is still the current record time for the 2.0 turbo camaro. >modifying tires does not void warrantyI never said anything about voiding warranty. In the fastest lap time website, modifying tires is considered a modification as indicated in image I posted.My whole argument has always been factory vs factory, the base model WRX wins over the camaro 2.0T. The fact that you have to personally fix the camaro because GM was too much a Jew shows how shit GM is.
>>27027805also good luck getting one in manual, GM doesn't like making them so gg waiting a year
Anyone who buys a Camaro is a massive faggot
>>27028048>another long ass cope post seething because he was too stupid to know the WRX came with summer tires and grasping for the same dumb straws about tires being a modification whilst denying a faster car that was documented to have a faster time published by journalistyawn. not wasting my time on this.>modified with 380 HPnotice how it doesn't say "modified with tires". here's another lap where it specifies the non-factory tires, but it isn't considered a modification because the car is at stock HP, whilst in your image, the modified thing their talking about is the HP.another dumbass nigger moment.
yeah I'm thinkin subieGODS won this round
Not a fast car but a fun car from what I've seen
>>27028152Yeah okay ricer incel, you lose to the 2.0 shit tier camaro in acceleration and top speed and win by a second in a lap on a track but only because of summer tires, not a win. But then... LT1, SS, ZL1 and all of Japan is btfo. Retarded ricers on /o/
these camaros cost $120k in australia h-haha
>>27028264>only because of summer tireslmao. mald marocuck
>>27028378god the fact you can post that incellic garbage with pride shows the lack of a woman's touch and testicles, seek help ricer manlet faggot.
>>27028384the turbo on this beast sucks more air than your mom when import gang comes over. kneel fatty
>>27028402Yeah yeah yeah whatever you say ricecel faggot LMAO
>>27028412cope, that's what you look like
>buh da cum arrow woulda won if it had da better dires
>>27028146>shows a 2007 model of the Chevrolet corvette where the original tires crapped out and were likely discontinued by 2016.>the only way is to get new tires that had 9 years of tire technology improvements.Wow no wonder why they added in the tire tag on it because its impossible to get the original tires it came with. Way to prove me wrong about it.
>>27020441>camaro has 2 seats
>>27028463so that's even more of a reason not to consider tires a modification. because then all classic cars would be considered "modified"another dumbass nigger moment.
>>27026926>It can beat a chink car and another nigger yank car.Wow
>>27028193>Not a fast carOut of all the complaints I've heard I haven't heard this as one of them
>>27029183he's talking about the solstice you retarded bot
>>27029187That would make sense. Haven't driven it but it looks like a fun car. Wish Pontiac was still around.
>>27028860OK then we might as well put in racing slick tires and just use that as our time because clearly that isn't modified at all. That car time you used has 9 years of tire development which would be way more gripper than if it was still using the 2007 tires. Your 1.25 however had no such development time for tire technology because the test was done when the car came out and would be legit just a straight upgrade because GM with the backing of the US government didn't include summer tires. Another issue stems on the fact that the car only has two track records while every other car like the EVO or the WRX has way more tracks records to compare it. You have to rely on that 1.25 time in willow all because motor trend realized that GM cheaped out on tires for under 40 grand car. If the car had more record times showing the car can dominate then I would agree with you. But the only time you are posting is the willow time. If posting for example another time that the 2.0T Camaro did do which is the Hockenheim Short, all the cars that was slow in willow are just 0.00.X difference like in this image which basically just ends up being who has the better driver. Being a benchracer doesn't work because at the end of the day, it all depends who is driving the car at that point and what type of modifications the person did to the car.
Yeah I'd say it's a great car for the price. I think each trim scales pretty well to its respective market. The 2.0 is great when compared to similarly priced and spec'd cars of the same year, same with the 3.6. I think that the V8 offerings and track suspensions offer Porsche level performance for way less money and shouldn't be scoffed at. All and all I'd say the Gen 6 Camaro is a 9/10 car platform overall and a 10/10 enthusiasts platform.
>>27029394>yet another long ass cope post because his shitty poobaru can't compete with a rental spec camarosure, bro. after spending nearly 40k on your "family" AWD shitbox, you can dump even more money on a set of slicks to hopefully beat a rental spec camaro on summer tires that is now over 10k cheaper, then drive your hydroplaning AWD """family""" shit can with you and your wife's son into oncoming traffic.>Another issue stems on the fact that the car only has two track recordsthen why did you bother bringing up the poobaru at all? you were content with comparing them on that track until you realized your cope about tires doesn't work, it STILL gets BTFO, and you could've just used this new cope about:>"n-not enough track times!!, you may have embarrassed me in front of my wife and her son, but i can still take my slicks equipped AWD family shitcan somewhere else, it d-doesn't count until we do every track on e-earth!!!" to respond to the miata comparison from the get go. instead, you use the exact same one track you're trying to say doesn't count, get BTFO, and now you're just saying the track itself that YOU POSTED A COMPARISON OF THE POOBARU ON! is bogus. ANOTHER DUMBASS NIGGER MOMENT! you just can't stop topping yourself, can you. at this point, you're going to make Uncle Ruckus himself enter the chat, and bitch slap you through your screen.>the fucking nissan Z with more power, an actual sports car built to take on other sports cars can barely beat a rental spec camaro on all seasonskek, i'm so glad GM didn't give this car summer tires. its way funnier to know this thing can still trigger people with the barest essentials.
>>27029461>so ass blasted that camaro 2.0T faggot cannot comprehend that factory vs factory with no modifications, Base Model WRX is faster by 2 seconds. In order to counter it he has to use an unofficial time because motor trend would be blasted for using better tires to beat a fucking Mazda block mustang instead what it came from the factory.>to respond to the miata comparison from the get go.Not true, every shill post you posted always used the willow time because it used the summer tires not the hockenheim short because then that time will look bad for you. When someone does use hockenheim short time, you fall back to the willow time to save yourself from embarrassment.>the fucking nissan Z with more power, an actual sports car built to take on other sports cars can barely beat a rental spec camaro on all seasons2007 tire technology vs 2016 tire technology. Holy shit the 2016 tire technology will better what a new discovery!!! Still waiting for the 1.25 time to be uploaded to the website. Any day now
>>27018668Hey So basically I'm just gonna buy your pigfat carI Know.....UGH I know...It's just that I'm not gonna buy it is all HAHAHAHAHRHAHAHAHARAHARHARH
>>27029568>he's still going on about the fucking tire shit>the manufacturer does not consider it a modification>even fastest laps, (not that some imaginary rule they have affects the real world and nothing stops me from going to a tire shop anyway), does not consider tires a modification>he's still grasping for this same dumbass straw despite being proven wrong at every turn>he just can't handle the fact that some souped up economy shitbox is no match for an actual purpose built performance platform>even in its rental spec formlmfao>to respond to the miata comparison from the get go.>Not trueso you're saying "not enough track times therefore comparison invalid!!!" is not a true statement, and you couldn't have said that about the miata from the get-go, saving yourself the embarrassment of not knowing that the WRX comes with summer tires, collapsing your whole original argument? i don't think you understand what the sentence under the greentext starting with the miata means. and that's despite me trying to very carefully lay it out for you. oh well, dumbass niggers gonna nig and dumb, i guess.>always used the willow time because it used the summer tires not the hockenheim shortexcept there's a bigger gap between the miata and the camaro on the hockenheim short. the miata tards are the ones only focusing on willow because there's a shorter gap, and they can say "lol maro need moar power to barely win xxxDDDD". the WRX has no hockenheim time, because the germans didn't even waste their time testing that economy shitbox pretending to be a sports car.>2007 tire technology vs 2016 tire technology.a summer tire from 2007 is still better than any all season. >Still waiting for the 1.25 time to be uploaded to the websiteokay, have fun. i'll be waiting for poobaru to make a car capable of beating a rental spec camaro.and thus, concludes another exchange with a dumbass nigger moment.
>>27029654> implies manufacturers will even grant the warranty because lol should of known that loophole lol.Look at second gen BRZ oil starving issue and how Toyota is not granting any warranty repairs despite being Toyotas fault for making a shit oil system. Either way, warranties don't really make a difference to why manufactures don't count tires as modifications when manufacturers will fuck you over for their fault because of a loophole.>you're saying "not enough track times therefore comparison invalid!!!" is not a true statementIts every time you shill for your shit tier camaro regardless for any car to compare against you always fall back to the willow springs time because of the summer tires 1.25 time. Never the hockenheim short time because the 0.00.xx difference triggers you so hard that you cant chop it up by driver difference.>Even the fastest time, tires are not considered modificationsIt is a modification because you have to physically remove and replace it to another tire. If it was not considered a modification, a manufacturer can just claim that they got this time with racing slicks and give shitty economy tires to the consumers then claim "Well technically you can get that time just buy your own set lol". That's why they have its own section on what tires they used.>a summer tire from 2007 is still better than any all season.Your joking right?>okay, have fun. i'll be waiting for poobaru to make a car capable of beating a rental spec camaro.OK have fun knowing a fucking ecoshitbox beats an afterthought sports car and even includes basic shit that GM is too poor to include so GM have to rely on the customers to make it faster. Still waiting on the 1.25 time
Why are American Sportscars so much better than anything Japan makes? Think about it... Camaro/Corvette/Challenger/Viper/Mustang/GT500. All completely assrape japan at every single level and trim, was it really the Fast and Furious along with Initial D that brainwashed these neckbearded incels? Imagine being obsessed with such shitty slow cars that enshrine your virginity. It's pathetic and you should be ashamed. It only makes sense that America is Japans master, we did crumble their empire and leave them weak and small just like their engines and our thunderous aggressive cars pound them into the pavement Hiroshima and Nagasaki style. So if you're ever browsing /o/ and you see these ricecels piping up remember they're deluded and allowed media influence to rot their brain to where they believe clown cars like the miata are anything but a clown car. Remember you were conditioned by an anime and mid movies from the early 2000s you pathetic ṣoƴ infused bugmen.
>>27029745>a-actually, warranties don't matter, i mean, just look how shit the poobaru BRZ is, and that doesn't even get covered!>btw buy this even more expensive poobaruok then.>you always fall back to the willow springsagain, its the miata tards that focus on willow so they can cope easier. nigger, look at >>27018795 it includes hockenheim. now look at>>27024651>>27026575notice how they're only counting the time difference of willow. they're the ones falling back on it. meanwhile in>>27029394 there's less than a second difference on both, with the camaro being less powerful and on worse tires.another dumbass nigger moment.>BTFO on his original point about fastest laps>"w-well, uh, It is a modification, because you have to touch it with your hands to take it off and put something else on"every car that gets an oil change is now modified.another dumbass nigger moment.>a manufacturer can just claim that they got this time with racing slicksthey can already do that. there are several cars on the nurburgring exactly like this. they just aren't considered street legal. good thing summer tires are street legal. >That's why they have its own section on what tires they used.they do this with any car, but it is not labeled "modification" anywhere. but i guess a factory tire option is considered a modification in this image according to you. why else would it have its """own section""".>Your joking right?you continuing to grasp for this vague definition of "modification" despite having nothing to back it up with is the biggest joke of the entire thread.>OK have fun knowing a fucking ecoshitbox beatsit doesn't. 1:25 is faster than any poobaru.>Still waiting on the 1.25 timeits right here >>27020572>inb4 "only de website count"fastest laps doesn't consider tires a modification. they are not by themselves labeled a "modification" anywhere, therefore you forfeit the tire = modification argument if fastest laps.com is the hangup.
another dumbass nigger moment.
>>27018668>straight line acceleration enthusiast carYou could pay me 40k to drive one of these and I still wouldn't enjoy it.
>>27030016I'd pay 50 to never have to look at one ever again and 100k to retroactively erase them from memory, easily one of the single ugliest vehicles of all time.
>>27029754>muh hrsprs who cares if only two of those cars can even begin to think about taking a corner at speedTypical murica drag racer
>>27029754Wow that wraps it all up nicely, based.
>>27020773Based
>>27025225>hplet can only think of driving in terms of drag racing
>LS trim>Doesn't have an LS>LT trim>Doesn't have an LT
>>27029754i highway dragged a boomer in a zl1 and somehow he couldnt pull away from my 1.6l turbo 3 banger despite having over 100 more hp.if it was off the line id probably get fucked in the ass but its pretty funny it couldnt out pull me from 60mph roll
>>27018668the new Z is a pretty good deal at MSRP
>>27030576Yet a ZL1e would smoke 99.9999% of all Japanese cars on the track. Sneed more ricer faggot.
>>27029754fucking A mate I've never seen someone spell it out so accurately
>>27030638this car/deal doesn't exist
>>27030802Copehttps://www.thedrive.com/news/r32-nissan-skyline-rocks-modern-race-cars-at-bathurst-prompts-official-investigation
>>27030802>>27031764Meant to post the full version, meh
>>27030802kek not with your obese ass driving
>>27031764>>27031773Oh wow dude they completely gutted a r32 and put a real engine into it thus making it a big engine with a r32 cosmetic shell while crashing it into a wall and you think this is a gotcha? The state of ricecels never ceases to amaze. Retard.
>>270320811) It's a HCR32, not a BNR32.2) All the cars you see in the race are heavily modified3) It's using the stock engine it's not engine swapped, did you even read the article? The other anons were right, you really are a massive retard. No wonder someone managed to trick you into buying a shitty 4 cylinder landboat.
>>27032148Yes because a swapping out the engine block with a billet so you can turbo the fuck out if it with a jet engine level turbo along with a swapped intake and exhaust new calipers rotars breaks and tires is stock, who knew ricer faggot? The fact its that much HP over stock is proof it's an entirely different car under the hood and only an r32 in name alone. When we compare we compare stock and production ricecel, with mods you can make a fucking minivan a rocket ship it's a retarded metric.Burb/LT1 owner here never project your cylinderet miata ass at me little guy kek. Go pray to your shrine of smokey nagata.
>>27032223The engine the car came with must have been driven into the ground or not taken care of well, given it's possible to get to a 1000 hp from a standard cast iron block.https://youtu.be/1nTPEb1MU_U?si=zpMQyfg9XGT3LCMB&t=247Either way your claim was:>>27030802, so perhaps pick your words more carefully next time.
>>27018668>Newer Camaro's are out of my budget>Fifth gens have horrible visibility>All the fourth gens were raped by crackheads and white trash>The third gens I find are rollers/abandoned projects>Boomers gatekeeping second/first gensI'm never going to be able to own a Camaro.
>>27032387One day anon one day. A gen 6 will be yours
I went from a ND2 Miata to a SS 1LE, the Camaro handles way better, the shifter in the Miata was the better however. The Camaro is good, but the Miata was perfect.
>>27033440How can it be perfect if you just admitted it handled worse? How can you seriously compare a V8 to a 4pot and consider the experience comparable. You have to be a larper even if you did think the shifter was a tad smoother that's not "perfect" it's still a slow anemic shitbox incel car no matter how you spin it.
>>27033458the shifter is perfect in the Miata, that is what I was inferring.
>>27023008>>27025823>>27028860>>27029122>>27031764>>27032081>>27033408close the thread, dear god this is fucking 5 days oldwhy are you replying to idiots on page 8
which one is the least ugly
>>27033627Both are beautiful but the RS package grill looks the best on 6th Gens
>>270186686th gens are super good brakes.idk how they managed it.ABS stops from 160mph zero issues.meanwhile c6 or c7 corvettes have very unstable braking.bad enough for people with C6s to swap to BMW MK60 ABS systems.
>>27033472It was on page 4 for me wtf. Are you a salty ricecel or evtranny?
>>27033472>dear god this is fucking 5 days oldThis isn't reddit, snowflake
Based car for a based chad. What's the next question OP?
>>27033472>babby's first board that isn't /b/ or /pol/welcome to /o/, it's slow here. this isn't even the oldest thread up at the moment
>>27019783Biggest cope I've ever seen, nice npc car nerd
>>27030638No LSD.
>>27035557"1.5-way mechanical clutch-type limited-slip differential" Idiot.
used lancer evolution >new car no
>>27024031Are the 5th gens IRS?That's the main thing that makes me want to get a 6th instead. Also ls3 or lt1?
