How did their Mitsubishi's car buisness go from making the 3000GT and the Lancer evo, to making 5 similar SUVs and the mirage?They don't even make the pajero anymore.
>>26666437most reliable mitsubishi i ever had was my air conditioner
they make good pencils at least
>hurr durr if only this manufacturer stopped making their best selling crossover and made a sports car no one wants
>>26666586the pencil company is entirely unrelated unlike every other mitsubishi and three leaf logo company
>>26666437The mirage is selling like hotcakes. I can't find one in any dealership in AZ.
>>26666437MITSUBISHI?! They made the planes that bombed Pearl Harbour!
>>26666437Mitsubishi killed themselves by making the blandest oil-burning shitheaps to support those cars you like so much. They didn't stand out from any other Jap brand, their only claim to fame was a competition with Subaru which meant nothing since they didn't apply their successes to their lower models outside of Japan. They never made up for their shortcomings, just kept pumping out garbage while trimming down said performance lineup year after year.
>>26668213That was Nissan! NISSAN!Mitsubishi made the fighters.>stupid roundeye gaijin
>>26668213Thanks, just bought.
>>26666437mitsubishi has released a rebadged renault captur in europe, they are done for
>>26666437The early 2000s was very bad for them and it leads all the way to present day, apparently the dealers pretty much giving terrible cars bloated with planned obsolence to broke ass minorities with horrible credit was a bad financial strategy.They clammed up after that and never recovered.Not really sure how nissan got away with it and survived since their cars are even worse than mitsubishis.
>>26666437Cars were always a side-hustle to them; this is the company that openly fought the US for the Pacific Ocean, whose robots touch down on comets and return samples to the Earth. They gave their drive-train tech to Subaru and Nissan and basically gave them the reins for JDM.
>>26668213Hirohito did nothing wrong.
>>26669558>>26669234>>26668214>>26666437I figured Mitsubishi saw the way things were going way ahead of everyone else and dropped out of the car market before tighter regulations and fuel economy requirements made only SUVs and higher profitable. Could have been a good move by them in that light, or maybe they just fucked up.
>>26666437Only the fancy ones were cool.The bottom three trim packages fucking SUCKED.Anything else good was mismarketed or chicken taxed out of importation.
>>26668199Not true. Mitsubishi Corp. is a traditional Japanese keirestu or mega conglomerate, meaning the sister subsidiaries are all heavily invested in each other. Mitsu Heavy Industries is invested in Mitsu Electric, Banking in Shipping and Motors and so on. The CEOs of each independent but linked divisions get together once a month in Tokyo to discuss their investments. The 7" touchscreen in my Mirage has a "Mitsubishi Electric" stamp on the back of it, as does my alternator. All the haters on here are just jealous of Mitsubishi Motors being Japan's oldest MFG, literally founded by a real samurai. Toyota doesn't make stealth fighters for the Japanese Self Defense Force, but Mitsubishi does. Nor nuclear reactors.
>>26670246There was some news story a year or so ago, IIRC, discussing those once a month meetings and the CEO of Mitsubishi Banking was bitching at the president of Mitsubishi Motors. Apparently he was pissed Mitsubishi no longer had a halo car. Lol it would of been cool to hear and understand those conversations.
>>26666437As other anons said, Mitsu kinda doesn't give a fuck about the auto industry. Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, alone, is the big earner.
>>26669636Fuck I just got a used Lancer GS3...
>>26670246Sounds like those conventions would get expensive over time. I bet there is growing push back to limit the activities of the "conventioneerist factions," or at the very least move these activities to online meetings, in order to cut costs. However, the events are steeped in tradition and not easily brushed aside.
>>26666437I'm not sure why but they actually still sell pretty well where i live.Usually their SUVs, but sometimes you run into mirages too.I'd say they're roughly as common as Nissans in my town.
>>26666437They used to make some of best sports cars in the industry. Now they make money instead
Still see a decent amount of 3rd & 4th gen eclipses rolling around
Earlier mitsis are way more interesting anyway. starions cordias, galant vr4s etc. after the Evo 3 they got dull as fuck
>>26666437Well, it seems like Mitsubishi took a detour on the winding road of automotive greatness and ended up in the land of SUVs and Mirages. Maybe they thought, "Why stop at just one similar SUV when we can have five?" It's like they went from zooming around in a 3000GT to organizing a family reunion of SUV siblings. As for the Lancer Evo, well, it decided to Evo-lve out of existence, leaving us wondering what happened to the good old days of turbocharged awesomeness. And don't even get me started on the Pajero. It's like Mitsubishi said, "Farewell, majestic Pajero. We shall miss your rugged charm and daring adventures." But fear not, my friend, for the world of cars is a mysterious place, and who knows what surprises Mitsubishi might have up their sleeve next? Maybe they'll come out with a Mirage Evo, where you can experience the thrill of going from 0 to 60 in... well, let's not get too optimistic.
>>26670581Don't forget Mitsubishi Electric, Shipping, Mining, Banking, etc. I wouldn't write the Tri-Diamond off in the NA market quite yet. They've been voted fastest growing Asian brand multiple times in a row since 2014. Sales are up 40% and their new Outlander has been a decent hit. I can't find any dealers with Mirages right now either.
>>26671448Don't knock the base Mirage. It's a good lil hatchback especially for deliveries.The Outlander Sport is dated but has a proven powertrain and is a good value for the money if you need 4WD and still a big seller for North American Mitsubishi.The Eclipse Cross has been a sales failure in spite of having a good reputation for reliability with dealer service technicians. The new Outlander is Nissan where it really counts, in the powertrain unfortunately. It's AWC and tuned suspension is all Mitsubishi however. The Outlander PHEV is almost all Mitsubishi too. The crossover Eclipse Cross hasn't
Mitsubishi motors has been failing as a company. They would be bankrupt if Mitsubishi heavy industries and Mitsubishi Corp didn't bail them out. Since then they've just been making slop to pay the bills.
>>26671587Such uninformed bullshit.....https://jalopnik.com/mitsubishi-sees-big-profits-coming-in-america-1850418690
>>26666437I love my 2000 Lancer (or Mirage in the USA). It's the perfect daily.>325xxx km's on the car>runs off of anything you put in it>cold A/C>great on fuel>very light chassis with good handling>Lego car in terms of maintenance and mechanical work - so easy to fix>these cars are still getting sold with roadworthy's with well over 400xxx km on the clockIt can barely make it up a hill (1.5L SOHC motor) but it's such a reliable daily. The only other car that has ever come close to Lancer-tier reliability in my opinion is a 90's Corolla.
>>26668427Mitsubishi made the Zero, the ones that suicide bombed Pearl Harbor and many American ships
>>26671799>It can barely make it up a hill (1.5L SOHC motor) but it's such a reliable daily.Have you tried flooring it to the redline? My friend had a very beat up and thrashed high mile mirage from that era, and it was quite fast. Being retarded, he had the car at 120 MPH a few times and hills were not an issue when I borrowed it. and I do live in a hilly area
>>26671768This was huge news when it happened 7 or so years ago, around when they got rid of the lancer evo. I don't know how true it is, but the current CEO is famous for saying he hates motorsports and sporty cars, and that's why he's just making shit. I guess Americans just like shit so it's works out for you guys
>>26668213They also make some fucking great press brake.It's even stevens between them, Amada and Bystronic.
>>26670364don't give me hope for a new evo, bro
>>26666437They got lucky by being the first Japanese manufacturer to jump on the soft roader SUV trend that dominated in the developed world from like 1993-2007. This and the bubble economy granted them with more money than they knew what to do with. Before the mid 80s they were also-rans, on par with Isuzu and pre-Impreza/Legacy Subaru in terms of relevancy in Japan. I'd say their current state is a return to form.
>>26668427https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_G4MMitsubishi were the single largest manufacturer of both fighters and bombers for the IJN, and one of the top 3 manufacturers for the IJA. (for reference, the other major manufacturers exist today as Kawasaki and Subaru)
>>26670246America used to have similar industrial dynasties, but they all got broken up under antitrust legislation. Bell, Standard Oil, and American Tobacco being the most notable. Japan's Zaibatsus are what certain 'folk' accuse American corporations of being. In Japan, most politicians are outright blood related to corporate founders or otherwise board members of major keiretsu, and this has been the case since the end of WW2. (technically it was also the case before the war). Nearly all government policy in Japan comes from Fuji Heavy Industries, Mitsubishi, Kawasaki, and like two other mega corporations. It ain't like in the US where a handful of politicians sometimes take lobbyist payola from a company and sometimes sponsor a vote in congress for things the company suggested is a good idea. In Japan its out in the open, and they directly take orders from those companies on every single act of legislation because they're effectively employees of them. "Toyota said this, so this is what we should do".
>>26673348>I guess Americans just like shit so it's works out for you guysNo on in the US buys Mitsubishis anymore. There isn't even a dealer in my state. Euros are the ones that like shit and eat up anemic hatchbacks, not us.
>>26674347There's a reason Japan is usually the homeland of cyberpunk, corporations are literal gods there.
>>26674413The earliest cyberpunk books were set in the US, mainly because they were written by American communists who were so shitter-shattered by McCarthyism that they created an entire literary genre just to make hatefics of "american corpo-fascist randian dystopia". They didn't start implementing oriental aesthetics into it until Bladerunner, and they drew more from Hong Kong than Japan. They did move to Japanese inspiration as the 80s went on, but that was more related to how everyone just assumed the Japanese economic boom would never stop and Japan would become the primary economic superpower of the world. Some cyberpunk didn't incorporate any Asian influence, RoboCop for example which was more directly made to criticise Reaganomics and militarisation of the police.
>>26674443Forgot to mention: JAPANESE cyberpunk (obviously) heavily pulls from Japanese aesthetics, but its important to note that the political undertones of the genre typically got lost in translation so more often than not its portrayed as just "a future where Japan has conquered the world, but at what cost?" I think it was either Bubblegum Crisis or GitS where even though its a 'cyberpunk' setting, not only are the government still in control of the country but they're also the good guys.
Some debt from the asset bubble. The worst part is they had to have a fucking 3 way with Nissan and Renault in order to survive.
I got a Nissan because the name sounds cuter than the other makes
>>26674739Men should never use the word cute or any variations of the word cute.
>>26666437The other Mitsubishi sectors are more profitable than their auto division
>>26668214This. Also because Mitsubishi was extremely lazy or incompetent on improving their car engines efficiency and performance together rather than just picking one. 3rd is that Renault took over Mitsubishi, now some Mitsubishi cars are rebadged Renault cars or are produced in Renault's car production factories. Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi alliance.
Very cool thread, I didn't know Mitsubishi was such a behemoth of a company.
>>26674759That's not very kawaii desu ne of you, bro.
>>26674453Good posts. Yes, Bubblegum Crisis depicts the state as the good guys, but woefully underprepared for the brave new world that's come into play. Instead, the clunky police force mechanized divisions are no match for the threats that appear and they have to rely on what is essentially a small PMC group to safeguard Japan. There's a similar sentiment in Patlabor, but the police there do manage to hold on by themselves. Cyberpunk is a very diverse genre, with a lot of history under it's now 50 year old existence and i kind of wish someone would write down the important bits that differentiate it, decade for decade.
>>26676414There's really only two major sects, Japanese and Western. Western cyberpunk is distinctly anticapitalist and anti authority in tone, whereas Japanese cyberpunk typically is more a critique of humanity in general. Western cyberpunk started out critiquing 1950s 'red scare' society, but found its stride with taking shots at the libertarian Renaissance of the 70s. The rebirth of Austrian school economics had leftists salivating at the chance to rev up the old 1920s propaganda that said that "capitalism is the pretty face of fascism". Thatcher and Reagan's electoral victories were the icing on the cake. Gave us movies like Bladerunner and RoboCop and the Judge Dredd comics, all of which were explicitly made to portray "late stage libertarian capitalism", and further draw parallels to that and to traditional right wing hierarchal societies and fascism and (in their twisted minds) show how they are all interrelated ideologies and how we need socialism to prevent it from happening. Japanese cyberpunk, like I said, mostly ignored the socialist origins and instead focused on just using it as a framework to make cool stories with robots and lasers and shit. And it has since evolved to the point that they have even made sympathetic portrayals of cyberpunk societies.
>>26673348>Americans just like shitCheap speed sure, but shitty cars in general don't do well. No one sells base model bullshit here because they don't sell. Mercedes doesn't waste time trying to sell A or B series, Toyota doesn't sell any land cruiser without leather, no 70 series at all, base Tacoma is nicer than a base Hilux, Ford gave up on focus and fiesta, and the list goes on.
>>26671799>>cold A/CAre you trying to sell me your car? Don't tell me that you also just changed the oil and you want serious inquiries only, no tire kickers?
Picrel My evo 2 gsr. The tech and capabilities of Mitsubishi in the early 90s was world class. >The early evos were 2550lbs. 250ish hp. An exhaust, boost controller, and fuel pump and they make 375-400 crank hp. Mechanical awd system with center lsd, rear lsd, and front lsd when optioned. Stock bottom end evo 1 and 2s could handle 600 WHEEL HP. Gear sets good for 425ish wheel torque reliably>3000gt. Twin turbo v6, bullet proof getrag manual, active aero, 4 wheel steering. >1994 legnum vr4. 2.5 v6 pumping out 275hp. Awd. Great manual, or a Porsche style semi auto. 94/95ish they got torque vectoring ayc systemThese are 3 examples of WORLD TOPPING cars they made. Evo 1-6s were comparable to the best sports car offering from the Germans, Brit’s, or Americans…. And they were 4 door economy cars. 3000gt’s were the best “sports touring” cars to buy. The legnum is one of the coolest wagons ever made to this day. Don’t get me started on the pajero evo. It’s a damn shame they gave up.
>>26677044My American made eagle talon. My first car purchase in 2001 that I still own. 4g63 that I went low 12s @ 110 with an exhaust, fuel and boost. Car is now built and much faster. People have made 600whp reliably on the stock bottom end. Gear sets good for 400 wheel torque reliably. 4 bolt rear end that can handle 2 step launches on slicks and 1.4 60’ times No car could touch 1g dsms on the streets in a straight line in the 90s and 2000s.
>symbol is 3 diamonds>name is 3 diamonds in japanesebravo japan
>>26666586>>26666521>>26668213For me its the Mitsubishi Front projection TV