honda civic si/integra gets less hate.
>>26448485Overrated, not hated.
>>26448485It's seemingly not a great value since they're new and there's better things for the price and/or used that you can get. Someone's got to buy them new and take the depreciation hit, though, so those people don't get any hate from me.Wait a few years until earlier model BRZ/86s start dropping in price, with S-Chassis and Miatas becoming unobtanium at the same time as everything else in the outdated sticky these will become the new /o/ meta
People here are too poor to buy a new motorcycle, you think they can afford cars?
>>26448485>/o/ is one person
>>26448485It's an explicitly inexpensive sports car that's pretty much built to the credos echoed around here all the time.Alas, even with its comparably affordable price, it's out of reach for most people here, and that hits harder than with most others, because the other excuses don't bite and it's objectively obtainable.It's easy to reason you can't afford a Ferrari, but then Toyota comes and builds the car you've been claiming to want for 30k and... you're still way outpriced until it's a clapped-out shitbox.Some people can't handle this sad reality.Others want a muscle car and struggle with the idea that this is not for quarter mile racing (probably because of one of the above points)
>>26448485the most spammed topics are where /o/ is split. some of /o/ likes it some doesnt. nobody makes threads on the civic si/integra because everyone thinks theyre crapsame with cuckovers, truck threads. everyone agrees cuckovers are crap, which is why there are more truck threads
>>26448485The problem is that it IS an affordable sports car, as in it exists in a segment where some people can't justify it's existence. What people forget is that during the hayday of affordable jdm sports cars people back then would say "why would I get that and not a REAL sports car" like they are saying now
I tried to buy the special edition gr86 yesterday, >It's auto>10k Market adjustmentI'll just wait for the right 86.
>>26448485Because the civic and integra have been around for a long fucking time. We were making fun of them 25 years ago on the riceboy page. Time for something new.
>>26448485So, the Subaru BRZ is a great sports car, but let's be real, it's not without its drawbacks. For starters, if you're over six feet tall, good luck trying to fit comfortably in the driver's seat. You'll feel like you're driving a clown car, and forget about bringing any passengers along for the ride, unless they're small enough to fit in your pocket.And let's talk about that engine. With just 205 horsepower, it's not exactly going to set any land speed records. In fact, you might as well just put on some rollerblades and save yourself the trouble. Plus, if you want to take it to the track, be prepared to spend more time in the pit lane than on the actual track. The BRZ has a tendency to overheat during extended track sessions, which is about as fun as getting a root canal.But hey, at least the BRZ is rear-wheel drive, right? Well, sure, if you like doing donuts in parking lots. But good luck trying to drift like a pro. The BRZ's limited-slip differential is about as useful as a screen door on a submarine, and the car's tendency to understeer means you're more likely to end up in a ditch than pulling off sick drifts.
>>26448546The thing is while it may be "affordable" there are other sports cars that are also affordable that give you much more bang for your buck. Otherwise you're just paying for 600lbs less weight which is pretty negligible at a already almost heavy 2800lbs.These things are a lot like Harley's. If you got $40k for a toy burning a hole in your wallet go for it but there are much better options out there.
The gr86/brz are cars that have been the most affordable option you can go for if you want a fun and agile rwd for the longest time. There’s also the mx5 which has also received a lot of hate.The point is that you are paying a relatively low amount of money for something that you usually have to pay upwards of 60-90k for.The problem is that the people in this forum can’t afford the affordable, so they hate it.Trust me, just ask them to post their car and they will scurry away in fear or post an image from google. It was the same a few years ago with mk1 and with the mx5
It’s a boy racer type of car. Doesn’t really target mature audiences but it does for young car dweebs. If you can track it, it’s a different story, but it’s a bit low on power to be special. Looks nice, but is mistaken for a cayman, which is the better but pricier car.
>/o/ wants a coupe >/o/ wants rwd>/o/ wants affordable>/o/ wants a good looking car>/o/ wants to drive on the backroads and twisty>/o/ wants to save the manual>/o/ wants more physical buttons over ipad>/o/ wants a fast 1/4 time but yet complain when they cant turn their mustang that they cant affordthis car checks off a lot of boxes this board always bitching about.
>>26448900https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RNMBFGCWR1EGr86 beats Cayman S on track by 1 second
>>26448506>poorfags waiting to buy your well maintained sportscar for 5khahahahaha kick rocks
>>26448960Post your car
Why the fuck would I want a shitty Subaru flat 4 which makes 200 hp and will an hero itself at the first sign of trouble.
>>26448980You can’t even afford it…
>>26448943Both get beat by a 15 year old Charger so congrats on losing the special Olympics.
>>26448982I can? Besides my 21 year old bmw mogs it.
>>26448998>hurr durr there's a faster carThat get's beaten by any Koenigsegg what's your point
>>26449001fantasy land called nocar
>>26449001Post your bmw
>>26449002Nice! Do you track it?
>>26449003A Koenigsegg isn't $40k or less.
>>26449013not broken in yet
>>26449016Alright bro, I recommend you get some cheap camber bolts for the front wheels. I got mine from powerflex, install and then align to roughly 1,45ish. It will get rid if the understeer. Have fun!!
>>26449004>>26449010Mind the oil, I had a slight spill last time I changed the oil.
>>26449023Now post your hookah lol.
>>26449025Is this what is called coping? Or is it seething cause I am white as fuck?
>>26449023Nice photoshop, retard. Wheres the car
>>26448506>It's seemingly not a great value since they're new and there's better things for the price Such as? And we're talking new, Inb4 you suggest a faggot SI or GTI
>>26449043that wouldn't make any sense considering those cars have the same or less hp and more weight.
>>26449035Oh man you got me I love photoshoping a Hawaiian sweet roll onto the engine bay of an e46.
>>26449046It's almost like there isn't a better car for the price.
>>26448570shut up and make my coffee or whatever it is you do
>>26448485Because the greedy dealer network ruins the intended purpose: A new affordable RWD manual sports car that someone over 5'2" can fit in.
>>26449372I got my 22 for MSRP. Faggot.
>>26448485The Civic/Integra gets less hate because no one will defend it, while the GR86/BRZ have people who actually like it, so people will go out of their way to hate it, so they can get (you)s, besides, the contrarian millenials who once praised japanese cars because it pissed off their dads now hate them because they saw zoomers saying that they like japanese cars, so they now pretend that they were always fans of american muscle or whatever they pretend to like
>>26448570im 6'2 250lbs and i fit comfortably in the drivers seat. Don't have a ton of room but its fine even on longer trips
>>26449023You know what, you got me. I would like to see a comparison of both cars on the touge though, I think you would be surprised if you gave the 86 a chance, just saying
>>26448485Buying one next week, very excited for it. Obtainable dream car because I live in Australia where a R35 is 200k and new Nissan Z is 85k before the dealership Jewry occurs. In Australia you either owned a Holden before the factory shut down or a JDM before tiktok existed. If you aren't in either one of these categories your only hope for a sports car is a GT86 if you haven't purchased a house yet and a new GR86 if you have. Australia is fucked, huge car culture but the government regards it as something for filthy bogans so this country has gone out of its way to make being an enthusiast as difficult as possible with draconian mod laws, shutting down factories and making the process of importation prohibitively expensive (don't forget to pay your import tax goyim. Have to protect our non exist domestic market)I make 30k more than the average salary at only 23 and after taxes I only just barely earn enough to finance a brand new GR86, shits fucked cunt. I'm glad I was able to find this GT86, owned by a bloke in his thirties with 3 kids and bone stock so I'll be shocked if it gives me any troubles.
>>26448485Because this is a Miata board, and the 86 is the Miata's archnemesis.
>>26450257Sorry I should clarify, I only barely have enough to buy a GR86 outright if I had literally no costs other than tax.
>>26448752>there are other sports cars that are also affordable that give you much more bang for your buckSuch as?
>>26448570it's slow and shit, but funjust like the original
>>26450257I am a bit of a pussy but I am fairly certain that I would have killed myself a long time ago if I been born in Australia.
>>26450352Ive got fairly simple tastes, I'd rather have a slower car that I can use 100% of than a fast car I'm constantly babying at 20%. Call it a cope if you want but I was content on running my 90s econobox until it started giving me hassle.I'm saving up money to get out of Sydney and down to Tasmania, the land of the eternal Twistys.
>>26450257that's fuckedd. I always wanted to live in Australia, love the culture, but this kinda changed my view
>>26450406Based, just got down with my weekly dose
>>26450524Based, been doing some window shopping for the 86 lately, tossing up between getting a tastefully sized GT wing or a duckbill. Don't want to have it looking clapped out but just a little bit beyond stock.
>>26450569Im not a fan of big wings, the duckbill spoiler though, its so tasteful.If you are not sure and you really want the duckbill, you could get that one first and have both later
>>26448485no one bought the GT86 new so they're a terrible deal on the second hand market.Ultimately I think an MX5 is a better buy and if you happen to have the £20k or so required for one a 370Z is way faster.as for the GR86, they artificially limited sales, so the same thing will happen again.
>>26448900Who the fuck confuses a Japanese 86renewal-based car for a Porsche? These people don't exist
>>26450257Idk why you people don’t riot or something. The Australian government seems like the most specifically anti-fun government in the world. Fuck those guys.
>>264485395 years ago you could get a V8 muscle car brand new with a better chassis for the same price.I suspect that’s a good reason why no one wants to overpay for a overpriced “sports” car with power rating that was last impressive in 1985.
>>26450524De donde eres anon? tienes insta?
>>26451088it's a penal colony
>>26451107Yea man but ill rather stay anon, I am from Gran Canaria
>>26448485Can anyone tell me how the new Toyobaru seats compare to old Civic Si seats? Pic related have amazing lumbar support.
>>26451177Nvm , was to get an /o meet on Españistan but either would have to catch a boat so no point
will subaru keep making these after toyota ditches them? the rumors say 24 is the last model year.I could see them putting in the wrx engine+tranny
>>26451228They'd have to redo the whole car to put the wrx driveline in it, at which point it would be a wrx with some sort of ghetto delete/weld job on the transmission to get rid of the front drive.I'm not sure where people come up with these rumors considering they just came out with the GR86 revision, so do cite them if you'd like to be part of the rumor mill.No idea what the corporate agreement could morph in to if Toyota decides it wants to drop the project, but that'd be giving a lot of co-developed stuff away to Subaru (even if Toyota drew the line at letting Subaru continue to use their propreitary D4S tech in the engine) for what might or might not sell in enough volume as a BRZ only to justify a massive revision. My $.02 anyway.
I don't often visit /o/, in fact, I don't know a lot about cars. I'm currently shopping for a new car and test drove this today. I had it for 2 hours, put 110 km on it in total through twisty Swiss mountain roads in sunny weather. I liked it a lot. Acceleration in a straight line feels less yeet-y than my current Golf 7 GTI but it didn't really matter that much. Handling is amazing, seats are comfortable and it's surprisingly spacious. The only thing I absolutely hated was that it doesn't have the front parking beepers and the nose feels long to estimate the end of it, but I think that's something I'd get used to. Dealership is offering me a demo model (September 2022, 1700 km) 1k below MSRP + a reasonably good trade in on my Golf... I'm probably going to buy it.
>>26448547Just don't be a faggot trying to buy off the lot. Put in an order for a manual at MSRP. Don't get a special edition either unless you're special in the head. Waste of money.
>>26451269>They'd have to redo the whole car to put the wrx driveline in it, at which point it would be a wrx with some sort of ghetto delete/weld job on the transmission to get rid of the front drive.yes, and they'll call it the wrz.
>>26450257Americans are lapping this up without realising our dollar is different to theirs. The prices are basically identical when converted. The issue is our cost of living is fucking ridiculous so swinging $50k ($30k for US) for a fun car is so so hard to justify. >Our "gas" (fuel) is double the price of gas in Texas>Food is more expensive>Our healthcare system that we love to boast about is getting more watered down and more expensive.>We have a housing shortage, love bringing in immigrants, and the government is absolutely rife with corruption>Also loves pumping the housing market with bullshit like negative gearing>We have an insanely predatory gambling industry that further saps wealth from the poor >Our superannuation (401k) is starting to get watered down too, and retirement age is absurd. Basically, they're destroying the middle class. The gap just keeps getting wider and wider. If I wasn't born into generational wealth I'd have absolutely no fucking shot at life here.
>>26451289Yeah the nose feels unwieldy at first, which surprised me coming from years of driving an impreza, which has the same exterior dimensions but different sight angles (and I forget if the axles are set slightly differently from the front back). Also makes it easy to hop curbs with the rear end on the brz because you don't feel like you should poke the front end forward and out so far. But yeah you get used to that. Even tight stuff like darting around manhatten was easy enough, and was more natural than parking lot type maneuvers where you're really left wondering sometimes exactly where the front bumper is.I guess you could put up little poles on the front like trucks have until you get used to it and figure out how to make that stylish lol. Or maybe there's something aftermarket these days? I grew up without all sorts of sensors and cameras, so I just learned to live with it.
>>26451768You can’t put in orders for gr86. You can put deposit for allocation but you don’t know what it will be. T. Gr86 owner who had to reject first two allocations due to AT. You’re right about not getting se though.
>>26451289>The only thing I absolutely hated was that it doesn't have the front parking beepers and the nose feels long to estimate the end of itthis is real lol, the first time I drove mine back from the dealership I unintentionally parked it like 3 inches from my garage wall
>>26452082I guess i'm lucky that I like the subaru front end better, getting a brz was painless
i want a brz cause it's a better daily than the gr86
>another brz thread>(1) one car posted besides a brzbus riders lose once again
>>26451088Australians are laid back to a fault, while I'm glad it's not like America where a nigger dies and every capital city riots, Australians repeat "she'll be right" so the temperature rises and by the time they realise it's too late. Only now when housing availability is a 0.4% have I seen anyone actually start to give a shit about the unsustainable immigration we have. Other issue is every single Australian I've met has accepted politicians are barely human long ago so they're not even angry when they get fucked over, they've learnt to just expect it.>>26451880It's not too bad once you make it out of Sydney, I was born to Kiwi teenage parents so I have no real assets to inherit but they've made enough to rent serf a give me a good start. Tasmania has alot of opportunity if you only aspire to live a comfy middle class life, can live centre of the state an hour from each major city and next to the river for 200-400k and private healthcare really isn't all that expensive, about 4k a year which when you compare to the Medicare levy that gets applied to you isn't much less it's still worth getting before you turn 30. Once you remove rent costs from the equation Australian wages are good you just need to break that rent cycle.Some would scoff at commuting an hour for work but living in Sydney that's what I'm used to and lord knows id rather cruise uninterrupted across beautiful country landscapes than crawl bumper to bumper with the approximate entire population of India and China.
>>26450742Any recommendations on wheels? Had Enkei Compe's on my previous car but that was a vehicle designed in the 80s so the classic look suited it, I don't think it would go so well on the 86.The 86 im getting is white.
>>26452143aren't you going to use the stock tires first?
>>26452143Can’t really say. Im enjoying the premium ones so far. May switch to forged Braids which is a local brand
>>26452082They've already confirmed they're changing that system so you'll be able to order exactly what you like.
>>26452143i think getting wheels first before anything else is autistic considering stock wheels weigh 24 lbsaftermarkets will weigh 20-21 unless you buy retardedly expensive ones. Get an exhaust, tune, etc. before you buy wheels.that being said I like this pair of Enkei Raijins. Ill probably buy them in like a year or two after ive already done all the other mods I want.
>>26452271You can get cheaper wheels that weigh a fair bit less. I remember looking at Wedsport tc105's which were about 7lbs(?) lighter at each corner. Enkei RPF1 is another option but I'm kinda sick of seeing them.Exhaust comes first for sure but wheels before a tune makes more sense for most people.I like the raijins too btw. They'd go really well with upgraded brakes.
>>26452381>Wedsport tc105's>$550 a fucking wheel
>>26452389Haven't looked at prices in a hot minute that seems about 30% more expensive than I remember.
do you guys have two different wheel sets for summer and winter?
>>26452453no, I simply take my chances
>>26448485nah, i definitely hate the cintegra more. i mean just look at the thing
>>26451289>1k below MSRPnice
>>26452143I'm not a huge fan of the black wheels on white. imo the wheels/tires need more contrast - have you considered steelies?
>>26452630Yeah this is the first nice car I've ever owned, prior to this I owned a 10 year old Getz and a 30 year old Mazda 323. Thinking I might get some white 5 Spokes.
>>264522714lbs per corner is a way better performance upgrade than you will get from any exhaust or tune right now on the twins. Exhausts on these cars literally do nothing until you get to headers. EcuTek doesn’t work on the 2023s yet even though the tuning companies don’t admit it.t. 86 owner who bought exhaust and wheels and tune already but tune doesn’t work yet due to ecu not being recognized. Did Rom dump and sent back to tuner a month ago and nothing back yet.
>>26452453I put some dws06s on a new set of 17s and sold the stock Michelins but kept the stock 18s for when I sell the car.When it snows I drive my golf r, Jeep, or plow truck.
>>26448485It's the cheapest new RWD sportcar that you can buy, but it's still out of reach for the broke retards on this board so they lash out>I'd totally buy it if it came with a 500HP V10 and only cost $15k new!
>>26452453Depends on where I've lived. I've been changing country all over Europe every couple of years just due to being bored over the past two decades. I've come to the conclusion that in places like Italy, you don't need winter tyres unless you want to go to the mountains in the North - but for those rare occasions, I just took a rental. In Spain there's absolutely no need at least in the area I've lived in. In Germany you'll need them twice a year so I just put them on to be safe, same for Switzerland and Austria. In Sweden they were mandatory but it would've been suicide not to have them anyways.
>>26453572Can confirm people arent fiscally responsibile. I just put my allocation in, so hopefully I can get it by October. Paying for it in cash.Meanwhile my sister is going to be stuck in her 2012, beaten to shit focus because she spends at least $500 a month on vet bills for her 3 feral cats.
>>26453414I've seen a couple of videos of tuning the car with some strange results. People with a full exhaust, intake, and e85 tune are gaining less than 20 whp but people with none of that and just deleting the charcoal filter + tune get +10.The stock headers are ugly but they probably flow well. or people are choosing the wrong type of headers.Regardless I think the tune from the factory is really good. Average stock dyno indicates ~250 crank hp which is great for NA 4 banger.
>>26448570>if you're over six feet tall, good luck trying to fit comfortably in the driver's seat. You'll feel like you're driving a clown carWhy do people assume that small cars won't fit adult men? I'm 6'0", 240lbs and I daily a Fiesta ST very comfortably. I've also driven a Miata before, same thing. My coworker is 6'3" and drives one of those little 2 seat scion smart car things ffs. Do people not know that the fucking seats slide back?
>>26453622>I've seen a couple of videos of tuning the car with some strange results. People with a full exhaust, intake, and e85 tune are gaining less than 20 whp but people with none of that and just deleting the charcoal filter + tune get +10.I seriously doubt this. The biggest thing with e85 is the massive amount of extra fuel you can bring to the car and then all the boost you can run. How do they only gain 20hp when you're using like 35% extra fueling?
>>26453770Not at all true. E85 resists preignition and runs cooler allowing you to run more timing advance and boost. It has nothing do with how much fuel you jt0wacan pump
>>26453783well yea it does. To meet the same stoichiometry as gasoline to have to increase fueling. Ethanol also has an extra oxygen atom in it which means it has to be compensated for when adjusting fueling. You can't run e85 at the same volume as gasoline otherwise it'd be insanely lean.
>>26453622Unfortunately people are making videos for clicks so I dont trust them either way. The sample size is just too small to make conclusions right now. Once more people get them and get them tuned a consensus will develop on the forums and in the community.
>>26453770>and then all the boost you can run.I didn't say they added a turbo though>>26453790well there's enough numbers for a baseline already. At least to rule out that they had bad cars to start with.https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17_y_b-_UYOsKR7M1cc1sps1jxdeFxAceunzFPVFEJJI>How do they only gain 20hp when you're using like 35% extra fueling?you're still limited by the amount of air you can get in and the fuel type doesn't change that. the extra fuel doesn't necessarily mean extra power because ethanol has a lower specific energy to start with.The stock tune probably gives you nearly the maximum air mass possible, which explains the low mpgs and relatively high power you get from a stock NA 4 cylinder (about the same as an s2k with lower revs)I don't think aftermarket cams will be very popular with this engine so a turbo/supercharger seems like the only way to go.
hks is claiming 430 hp with turbo + exhaust + manifold + tune, stock engine internals
>>26454291why would they be able to run so much more boost on their turbo compared to their supercharger which is making only +20% over stock.why did they release the supercharger kit months ago but not the turbo kitwhy does the only released turbo kit (tom's) make 300hp (crank) same as the hks supercharger?
>>26454321I'd hope that hks of all folks wouldn't be full of shit, but I'm wondering the same. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM3d3tFl5XY>why does the only released turbo kit (tom's) make 300hp (crank) same as the hks supercharger?is it not that the hks build has a number of mods working in concert vs just a turbo/super?
>>26454321Because none of the kits are real yet. There is no tuning to go with them. Racerom is still in beta these guys are all using standalone units to make it work
>>26448485because /o/ is full of hs nocars kids, and turd-worldersfrs/brz/86/w/e is the perfect choice for any starting enthusiast because it's easy to manage and easy to work onit is not some fast and faggottry god machine, and stancing ricer shit is brain-dead tier behavior
>>26453761>Do people not know that the fucking seats slide back?>everyone has no torso like meFor any normal sized (e.g. a sedan or hatch) vehicle I've driven, the seat needs to be at the lowest position in order for me to not tap my head when I shift in my seat. I'm a whopping 6 foot flat, and unless I recline my seat like a nigger, there's no way I would comfortably fit into an azn "sports" coupe. not shitting on them either, I just know what I can and can't comfortably drive
>>26454592Are you a tall midget? Fat fuck socialist 6’3” Matt Farah fit in the gr86 with a helmet no problem.
>>26448485Because they cost more than a mustang.
>>26454661yeah, I don't sit like that in a car. he's really fucking slumped in there. I don't know what to tell you other than my torso is long enough to require me to lower seats to the floor. maybe I'm actually 6'1" and he lies about his height, or maybe he just sits like a lardass and if I did that, maybe I'd fit too
>>26453416why you scared to drive it in the snow?
>>26454341HKS's kit is very real. The main difference is HKS was using different ECU tech to others, and they were running corn fuel on their turbo setup. Corn fuel is good for 100whp give or take (when forced induction).
can an /o/tist tell me how this isn't a dual wishbone suspension? I was doing some work on my 22 brz today and I took one of the wheels off. It looks very similar to diagrams I've seen online of a dual wishbone. Lower control arm, upper control arm, and the strut is connected to the lower arm. The suspension in the front is clearly just Mcpherson struts, but is the back not a dual wishbone - Mcpherson hybrid?
>>26454765It's called multilink you FUCKING ricecake wrenchlet, brand new car put the wheels back on before you tear some shit up. Also how's do you like the trans on the car?
>>26452589>the absolute height of this things hoodIt's beyond over, we will never have good looking cars again.
>>26454772The transmission is okay. This is my first manual car so take it with a grain of salt but my friend owns a 2014 BRZ and a 2018 Civic Type R and he's said basically the same thing as me after driving it. The clutch is pretty stiff, first and second gear are really hard to get into smoothly (especially on cold starts). The clutch slips sometimes during especially cold starts, even after it's already in first gear. After you've warmed up the car you can drive it pretty smoothly, but downshifting to second and first is always a little clunky. I've had this car for about 5 months now.
>>26451289>I'm probably going to buy it.update: I thought about it since Saturday, I'm going to buy it tomorrow. I'm undecided between taking the demo car now at 1k below MSRP or put in an order for a new-new one at MSRP but no idea how long I'll have to wait (my golf is still fine, I'm not in a hurry)also if I put in a order for a new one: am I going to hate myself in the long term if I pick auto instead of manual? I have driven manual cars for years, but kinda grew used to the comfort of automatic. But I'm afraid I'd be missing out if I pick auto...
>>26454790Interesting. My experience with the previous gen was very positive, the trans being my favorite part. I really wanna drive the new one as much as I talk shit about these cars LAMO. Drive safe and enjoy!
>>26454792If you're going to daily drive this and have no other car I would go with an automatic. From what I've heard and from what reviews have said the Automatic is good but not amazing. Its comparable to the automatic transmission on a Miata, it downshifts okay (but not fast) and it feels smooth to drive. The manual is pretty rough and sometimes in the city I really wish I had an automatic. If you can I would go to whatever dealership has an automatic and test it out. Carmax had one near me before I bought my manual. >>26454796Yeah you should try it. Its very fun to drive when you're actually able to. I went to autocross with it about two months ago and had a lot of fun. This guy I met there drives a white gr86 premium and he was beating much more expensive cars with it. His lap times were better than Civic type Rs, Mustang GTs, Camaros, and even an older Nissan GTR.Picrel is a k24 Miata that won first place in the Modified RWD Race Tires Category
>>26452136Bear in mind those riots are bought and paid for. If they did it for every time a black guy got shot it would be unending. Case in point: a few years ago they had a buy-a-riot in my city where they blocked rush hour traffic and of course on the livestreams you could see the blacks were using it as an excuse to party in the streets while the leaders were all scrawny white kids with slogans and signs and chants pre-designed trying to get the crowd going.The guy who got shot was a known criminal. That same weekend an up and coming local young rap or hiphop guy or whatever got shot to death because a drug deal went wrong and they pulled a drive by on the wrong house. Barely made the news, and certainly no riots.
>>26454751Show me someone that has purchased one and gotten it in the us. Larry Chen doesn’t count he got a custom kit from them for SEMA
>>26454737I have 3 sets of snow tires I really don’t need to get a fourth.
>>26454592At 6'4" I wish the seat went a little lower and the steering wheel a little higher and further into the dash, but I don't even keep the seat all the way back. A lot depends on proportions and flexibility. I almost hit my head once when I almost caught air nailing down the cross bronx expressway, but all it did was mat my hair down.I almost can't sit in the rear without my head resting on the rear glass, but you'd have to fit a midget or cripple in front of me anyway.
>>26448485Pretty pricey vs a shitter bimmer or stang that are way better suited for drift missiles than what the 86 was designed for
>>26454792Manual is all the fun of it. If it's your first manual then maybe this is a good way to find out if you're the kind of person who actually enjoys it or not. I prefer it even in bumper to bumper traffic, but other people like rolling couches, nice sound systems, and the occasional flappy paddle downshift is enough.I particularly like the close gearing and the excuse to skip gears from time to time depending on what I want it to do.
>>26448485That's not a miata
>>26455056They're not selling kits because the tuning software isn't there for the public yet. Also larry chens is a supercharger. The 400hp setup they have is turbocharged.
>>26454592I'm 6' but I have a pretty long torso and I fit pretty easily with room to spare. I guess it's just weirdo ergos.
>>26454792I say go for the manual.
>>26448943A cayman s from what year? 2006?
>>26454704if you get aftermarket seats they go a lot lower although you can't adjust them on the fly.
>>26448570>AI bots can write posts dissing BRZs nowthe future is bright
>>26452123it's shocking how much better looking the new one is compared to the old model. they did a good job.
>>26448485Car's not bad, but 100% of the owners have sucked a penis to completion before.
>>26454792Get manual. Avoid demo.
installing an exhaust tomorrow morning
>>26458155post before and after pics
>>26458177hopefully the thread survives another 12-14 hours
>>26458155how much hp will it make? do you have to tune the ecu every time you change parts on this car?
>>26458975this post has to be satireaftermarket exhausts dont change the performance on these cars. until you start swapping out headers, intakes, and running e85 you wont be getting more power out of any aftermarket mods short of forced induction. No, you don't have to tune the ECU unless you start running e85. Exhaust, headers, and intakes are fine but dont expect noticeable performance jumps.
>>26458990Yeah urll get a whole 35hp
>>26458995thats not bad considering manufacturers charge $5k for those upgrades on cars. You can get that for $2-3k on a brz.
>>26458999Not bad? It’s a waste of time and money. Are u retarded
>>26459019Okay you go ahead and buy the next sports car that weighs under 3,000 lbs and makes more power. Let me know when you find it.
>>264590193k is fuckall for mods money. thats a set of entry level coilovers and sway bars
>>26459027You dont even need coils and sway bars if you just want to go in a straight line. UEL headers are $450-700, a high flow downpipe is $100-300, a single exit 3" exhaust is $400-500, an air intake is $250-$450, and a tune on these cars is $500-1k. If you want to run a flex fuel kit that will cost you an extra couple hundred, but you just added realistically 30-40 hp for around $2k
>>26459026>>26459027>>26459040You niggers are missing the point, for 30hp all of this is a waste of time. Would be better to install a turbo kit then all of this nonsense
>>26459053there are no turbo kits available yet and you would have to do all of that anyways and more.
>>26459053this. spending $2-3k on a exhaust just to get 30hp when you can just remove the backseat and lose weight and get 40hp.
>>26459053with a turbo kit you will be getting a big brake kit aftermarket fenders monster wheels and tires and aero or you will have an undrivable mess with a peaky powerband you wont want to rev out to boost and keep it there+30hp is a happy place for this chassis x2.5 hp is not
>>26459057thats simple though. Turbo "kits" aren't really anything but conglomerations of parts. People were doing it themselves for years before a major company sold you a complete kit, even then there were still tons of parts you'd need regardless.
>>26459070You don’t know anything about cars retard
>>26459074Modern cars would you also have to reprogram the ecu?
>>26458990Headers without tune isn't fine. You'll throw codes and a sensor bypass is a bad idea. Don't get headers unless you know you will tune, and don't buy headers if you plan on forced induction because the FI kits will have their own headers anyway (and intake for that matter).In that regard, that's why I think light wheels aren't such a bad idea compared to a tune since you're still warrantied, there's no compatibility issues and you can easily sell them if needed.
>>26459070I don't think all of that is necessary. If you're driving hard you'll likely want upgraded brakes but you don't need a bbk. Same goes for stock. Rotors, pads, brake fluid and lines is plenty.Don't need wider fenders. Just need good fitment and maybe some rolling/cutting depending on how big wheels are. I know well setup turbo'd track 86s will run 255s and that's plenty. Realistically, 225-245 is still entirely adequate.Turbo'd or supercharged won't have a peaky powerband. It's a high compression motor so they don't use much boost. It will just add top end to a relatively flat torque curve which is actually a good thing.Personally I wouldn't bother with e85 unless it was extremely easy to buy and I was boosted. It can damage your fuel pump if it sits for too long and requires you to increase your oil change intervals. Pretty sure you have to change spark plugs more often too which nobody wants to do on this engine. On top of that you're filling up more often. It's just a lot more risk/work in general for a small gain when naturally aspirated. These cars really aren't that limited by knock. If my plan was to stay NA, I'd be focussing on the easily reversible stuff first: Exhaust/intake purely for sound, tyres, suspension, alignment, bushings and brakes. EL headers and a tune would be the last step to round it out.
>>26454796>I really wanna drive the new one as much as I talk shit about these cars LAMO. Drive safe and enjoy!
>>26459057there's one from tom's
>>26459245you don't need wider wheels for a turbo at all in this car. Wider wheels will be purely for cornering.t. physics literate anon
why does it have to sound like shit
>>26459421I disconnected the fake noise and I kinda like how it sounds when it revs high now
>>26455473ecutrash is only halfway done with it because they only have the code halfway figured out.
>>26459026My Saturn does thar.Regarding to the 86 as a whole the car was a disappointment I owned one for 5 years and gladly for rid of it for more power and better looks. At the end of the day it is a beginner car a terrible one but beginner even had to replace the entire engine at 60k miles failed for no reason.
>>26454792I would get the manual and avoid the demo car, that one has been mistreated for sure.
>>26458177finished installing itim still a little busy so i wont have sound clips for another couple hours, I fucked up the tips and have to readjust them its an MBRP catback. sounds amazing, very nice deep tone.
>>26459905why you hate the 86?
>>26448506i will always laugh at impatient retards who buy cars brand new
We like the gt86We dont like> $5000+ dealer markup> pos subaru boxer engine> styling is kinda shit lets be real> cant find at dealer> less car for more when compared to a challenger for exampleIts a sports car yup just missed the mark on some no brainer shit
>>26460796>> pos subaru boxer engineThe FA's are amazing engines.
>>26460801WRONGThey have oiling issues, mfg issues with rtv getting sucked into internals>subaru motorNot suprised
>>26460833They really don't. Savagegeese had a video of the tear down of a GR86 that had seen nothing but 3000 miles of track and while the Oil Pickup had RTV in it, none of it was even remotely obstructive enough to reduce the pressure at all.The major "oiling" issue comes from the low end oil weight being too thin at higher temperatures. The manual advises you to to increase oil weight to 5w40 from 5w30.>rtv sucked into the internalsevery oil pickup on every car has a screen. If the 350 mesh screen isn't reducing oil pressure, little bits of RTV certainly isn't.
>>26460840Thats some quality cope
>>26460842>I'm gonna spew things I heard on /o/ about a car I've never driven, never owned, never tracked, or know anything about because I couldn't be bothered to find out the truth.
>>26459905is that a motel or your apartment
>>26460840>The manual advises you to to increase oil weight to 5w40 from 5w30.the stock oil is 0w20
>>26460791They cost more used than new.
>>26460886I got it from the forums. People are running 5w30 and 5w40 to compensate for the heat. 0w30 is a bit of an odd ball but 5w30 is plentiful.
>>26460846Driven, repaired & photographed these shits.
>>26459040>NA car>downpipeniggat wut
>>26460791I bought mine used for $2k over MSRP. That was 6 months ago. It still sells at the same price.>>26460796The styling is one of the best parts about this car. Its absolutely beautiful. It Looks much better than the old one, and it's probably one of if not the best looking new car to come out in the last 5 years.
>>26460901I dont know what its called its the pipe that connects the headers to the catback.
>>26459245>I'm going to stuff all these parts in the engine bay and every corner of the car>but god forbid I have to change the spark plugslawl lol even rofle my fucking ass off>oh no the spark plugs no no no no anything but that
>>26460905You mean mid pipe? Usually the header connects directly to the catalytic converter which then connects to a middle pipe connecting the axle back.
>>26460796>5000+ dealer markupit's worth waiting to get one for msrpotherwise, for 30k you are looking at a wrx or a civic si. what else is at that price point?>pos subaru boxer enginethe new one seems to btfo of everything at it's price point turbo or not. it hasn't been long enough to consider reliability.> styling is kinda shit lets be realsome people like to have sex with animals. there's no accounting for taste.>cant find at dealerthis seems redundant. you have to wait>less car for more when compared to a challenger for exampleit seems like you're either expressing bad taste or you don't actually like cars.
>>26460910Heres a diagram of the exhaust on this car. Theres two cats, one in the header and one in the front pipe. Once you remove both cats the flow of this car improves a lot, but it gets very, very loud.
>>26449002just an update, I ate the bun last night.
>>26459359you do need wider wheels & tires if you want to put the extra power down in lower gears, friend
>>26461000not according to physics. wider tires only give you more forward traction if the vehicle is too heavy for the ones you haveConsider that a dodge demon has 315's and weighs 1070 lbs per corner. or 3.39 lbs/mmthe 86 has 215's and weighs 700 per corner or 3.25 lbs/mm. a lower number is better.if you want to use cheaper tires, or a/s tires, it does change that threshold and you should get wider ones to compensate. If you want to go the fastest around a track, up to a point widest + best tires you can afford and fit make sense because of lateral grip.
>>26461042>not according to physics. wider tires only give you more forward traction if the vehicle is too heavy for the ones you haveIts overall about better load dispersion.For all intents and purposes, downforce is the same as added weight.It's cheaper (and easier) to just get a stickier compound than to go to wider tires of the same compound.
>>26460902I hate the anbry eye agresive face. Its so lame
>>26458155>>26458177>>26460561https://files.catbox.moe/f5nkgx.mp4>uncucked tips>>26461072thats only on the 86. my Brz is happy :D
>>26461084(shitty stock exhaust piping)
>>26460791you do realise if no one buys cheap sports cars new, car companies will stop making them?
>>26461092(cool new exhaust piping!!!)
>>26461084sounds good but is it annoying for a daily hearing the groan all day?
>>26451289> front parking beeperskys for even being aware such a feature exists.but yeah you're lucky they have one in stock, my dealer didn't with 8 month waitlist so I ended up going with american muscle >>26453572> cheapestthe i4 Camaro base model is $4k cheaper
>>26460791it's okay, you can have my car when I'm done beating the shit out of itI'll even tell you I've taken great care of it
>>26461118no idea I just installed it today I havent really driven it that much. Theres no drone, you dont really hear the exhaust unless youre on the gas and above 2-2.5k rpm.
>>26461132>>26461118forgot to mention that groan was because of the cold start, once it settles down after 30 seconds or so you cant hear the exhaust at all. the last 3 seconds or so of the video show what it sounds like normally.
>>26460796It's a toyota boxer. You've clearly never even looked at one.
>>26461084>>26461092>>26461096i was kinda hoping for an 'undercarriage shot on a hoist' sort of pic of before and after but beggars cant be choosers. nice work
>>26461132>>26461134how do you like the car? pros and cons? worth keeping for 20+ years?
>>26448485It's a slow, hideous tin-can shitbox purchased exclusively by poor nu-male soilord faggots and spics.
>>26461084>obnoxious incel rice shitboxLmao. Every single fucking time
>>26461629I’m not mbrp guy but I have a 2023 gr86 picrel. I use mine as a weekend and fun cruise around car. My daily is a much much faster golf r and my garage queen is e39 m5. I like the gr a lot so far. It does exactly what I want of it and a little bit more. I even have a car seat in the back for my 4 year old. I’m not sure about 20 years I guess that depends on where I’m at financially and where cars are at by then. Thanks for reading my blog
>>26461084Sounds terrible lol
>>26461629I like the car a lot. The pros are very obvious if you try driving one, it feels great, its very confident around corners and twisty roads, and it has just enough power that you can rev the engine to the limit and have fun. The transmission is very satisfying when shifting through gears, but the clutch is clunky and has some issues getting into gear smoothly during cold starts.As for the cons, its a two door sports car. Theres not much room, and even though the trunk is pretty big for the size of the car I've already had multiple situations where Ive had to stick stuff in the back seats just to make trips work. This morning when I was going to install the exhaust I had to shove the box in the back seats because it wouldn't fit in the trunk and on the way back I had to do the same with the old exhaust parts. The cold starts are brutal because of the stock tune, it idles at around 1.5k rpm with what I think is an absurdly rich fuel mixture to warm up the cats, which makes A LOT of noise with aftermarket exhausts.I would also be very concerned with reliability 20 years down the line. A lot of the interior parts and electronics are made by Toyota, so I don't expect those to fail but the engine and transmission are still made by Subaru. These boxer engines are a nightmare to work on, even on things like changing spark plugs (which are absurdly easy on other engines). I'm also not very confident the engine will last 200-300k miles. My friend has had his BRZ for about 3 years now, and its a 2014 model. It's held up great and he's supercharged it. I would say these cars are great for 10-15 years, but 20 is probably pushing it. >>26461649post car
>>26461084you should have just made the filename angrylawnmowernoises.mp4 and saved everyone the trouble. glad you like your car, but christ do boxers sound like piss
>>26461694forgot to mention, these cars have a lot of aftermarket support. If you're really dedicated to keeping this thing alive in 15 years you could do a Honda K24 engine swap with an S2000 transmission. There were kits made for the old gen 86.>>26461680>>26461698It sounds better in person, its actually a very nice deep tone. My friend was revving it to redline in that video.
>>26461084>dual 4" exits>dual 4" exits stemming from one 2" pipe upstream Fucking hell dude
>>26448570spot the busrider
>>26460791i will always laugh at coping poorfags who sit in somebody else's fart cage and brag about it. lmao its like marrying a stripper
>>26461084>people would prefer this sound over a v8
It's fucking over. I just want to buy a GR86 so I can have something that makes my commute more fun and gives me a reason to tolerate my bull shit job. I hate (((dealerships))) so much it's unreal. How can anyone look at this and think these people belong in our society.
>>26462178Nobody prefers that sound over v8. It’s a sacrifice we make to have a lightweight tossable sports car under 3000lbs
>>26462385Wtf they are blatantly lying about msrp. Report that to Toyota
>>26462419Correction. I just checked their website. The models they have advertised for those prices are solar shift color which means it’s the “special edition” you don’t want that anyways. They rape you $3k for some stickers and a shitty orange color
>>26462385I got my mt premium for 35k otd. Have you tried actually calling any of these dealerships to see if they'll take off dumbass add-ons?
>>26462385if you're anywhere near Avondale Toyota, I hear they do msrp.
>>26462385i would just wait until 2024 orders open for the brz. that's within a month probably. you'll get it in the summer this year, for msrp
>>26462385local autotrader range 200 miles order by price
>>26450257What's new Zealand's car laws like?
>>26461084i legitimately don't like this very much, anon :(glad you like it though
>>26460875What's this have to do with the 86 discussion ????
Good morningI just got gapped in the street by a 2008-2010 shitbox gtr with a mismatched color front bumper
>>26461694The transmission is made by Asin and you won't even have to change the spark plugs depending on how quickly you wreck or sell it. It's only a nightmare to work on if you're afraid of changing a flat tire as well.
>>26463111no shit...did you think you had a chance?
>>26463111lmao obviously. I gapped some clapped out frs a few weeks ago in my ~200hp vw shitbox. that moron couldn't even launch without slipping like shit. I actually like the 86 variants, but man do some people not know how to drive them
final update: got the demo model for 2k below MSRP and 4 years of free servicing, paid cash and got 18k trade-in for my abused 160'000 km 2016 Golf GTI. Will receive the car in 3-4 days
>>26463262nice work on the trade. they offered me $21k for my 2017 golf r with 32k miles in excellent condition and three sets of wheels. I told them to get fucked and kept it. Glad I did now I still love that car.
>>26463272right, I could have specified I also had 3 sets of wheels (1x original vw for winter, 2x enkei yamato for summer & semi-slicks). Summer tyres and semi-slicks were almost new, winter tyres near death. The GR86 manual MSRP is 43k with all options in my country, so I got this one for 41k instead. Meaning I paid 23k + the Golf to put it into contextQuickly looking at the market, that R would have had about 30k value here
>>26450260This is not true. Miata are friends. Miata nemesis are other smol roadsters most of which are defeated and out of production of 2 to 3x the price
>>26463285Private party here comparable examples are going for 30 to 35k. I figured they would at least offer 25k but no dice. Like I said though I'm happy they didn't now
>>26463293This, I'm a Miata nerd and would buy a BRZ if they made one with a soft top
>>26461134Yeah with an aftermarket exhaust the startup sequence can be stupid loud running through a few different stages with lots of ignition retard and whatever else to heat up each sectioni of cats. Not the reason I took off the one mine came with, but it wouldn't really be the kind of thing I'd want to make a habit of starting up in the middle of the night or early on a weekend in a comfy quiet neighborhood. The manual actually mentions that loud cold startups are normal.
>>26452136Tasmania is a fucking shithole with no infrastructure that exists solely as a yacht parking area and tax write off for rich assholes.T. Rich asshole Tasmanian
>>26461119The i4 Camaro was worth it with the 1LE package, and I shilled the fuck out of it, but it's nothing special without it and is basically a rental spec shitboxAlso they just killed the Camaro altogether with no successor. Watch the name live on as an EV crossover
>>26465411you get what you fucking deserve
>>26449953>the contrarian millenials who once praised japanese cars because it pissed off their dadsHow old are these people? My dad was born in 67 and was around to enjoy prime JDM cars in the 90s. I was born in 90 and am a millenial. American muscle cars are Boomer shit, and you're thinking of contrarian gen x, not millenials.
>>26465414>poorfag automotive """""enthusiasts""""" get a fututure where all of the sportscars they could potentially afford are turned into electric crossoversSounds about right. Can't wait to see what the cope is going to be in 20 years
>>26448485Because it marked the death of Subaru's performance cars as a whole? Sooby has this dumb idea in their head that street racers and off-roaders stopped buying their vehicles outright, when those were the groups that popularized their cars