what's the point of buying a motorcycle if you don't ride it

>>26444685
Riding it fast, the way it's meant to be ridden. Sitting in traffic on a Ducati Panigale is the ultimate cuckolding. Save it for the weekends or after work.

The con is DCFC at 55kw. Enjoy waiting an hour minimum every time you're on the road and need to charge.

>>26444692
you could, you know, just ride around the traffic

>>26444697
If you are DCFC on the way to work, you should move closer to your job. Longer road trips are for your 2nd, 3rd, etc. vehicle.

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>>26444715
>>26444767

Your same posts always spam EV threads, but you have never once posted car. Very curious, you jealous /n/igger

NOW BEGONE!

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>>26444665
I'd like the bolt more if they didn't give it that horrible incel face. the previous gen looked much better

>>26444665
>commuting to work
And he thinks he's not one of the plebs.

>>26444665
If you are a bugman living in a hive then yes, these overgrown bloated e-scooters are the ideal daily. No one is disputing that.
Oh and that sweet subsidies will die out one day, far sooner than you think, and pray to your kike overlords that the price of these toys goes down because if not you are going to be riding the e-bus from now on.

>>26444864
POST. YOUR. KEYS. BUSRIDER.

OH WAIT YOU CAN'T

>>26444875
The subsidies are already mostly gone. Just a small tax credit now in the year where you purchase the car.
EVs already pay higher registration fees, and are going to be paying a tax on fast charging about 4x higher than the fee paid per gallon.
Doesn't change the fact that the car will still be much cheaper to drive daily. Especially as fossil fuel subsidies are phased out.

>>26444665
>Brandon gives you $7500 off your taxes for buying one, and $1500 to put in a charger
Key word being "off." Make sure you actually make enough to be $7500 in the hole on taxes before getting btfo thinking you're saving money. You also have to research filing requirements federal and state.

Many such cases of people not doing it and being into a car that's 25% more than they expected. If you're a wagie making 50k/yr with your wife making the same you probably don't have enough tax liability to get the discount.

>>26445121
You need to make at least $65k per year to have $7500 in tax liability, and desu anyone making under $100k should never consider purchasing a new car in the first place.


>>26445016
>>26445027
>>26445023
0 cars posted across dozens of threads, you are the only busrider ITT. You are so assmad you bump the thread 3 times and post 0 cars. I think you are too busy cleaning toilets Pawel, is it true you are Polish?

>>26444665
EVs are the most practical daily drivers* I actually enjoy driving and want a car that is at least somewhat fun to drive. a Chevy Bolt is not that. Daily your fun car, you fucking pussy.

>>26444665
> commuting to work
Sad. Many such cases!

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>>26444665
Nah my bros got one it just can't really go 94+mph or handle as nice as my mk3 focus 5 speed. then for sure ill get one unless ford stops being CHINKOWNED and makes the focus again. Also rip ever getting more than 167 mi lmao. My mk3 gets 300mi on e85

>>26445158
If you want a fun EV, there are decent options. I think my Model 3 is a lot of fun, but I've also had a chance to drive a Fiat 500e and it was great if too short-range to be practical for my driving patterns. There also seem to be a lot of resources for unlocking performance from the Nissan Leaf, but I haven't gotten to drive one of those that has been modified.

>>26444700
Carfags don't understand that part. Also riding all the time makes a better rider and is much healthier for the vehicle than sitting.

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>>26444665
Stop posting my car without my permission and saying stupid shit. My bolt fucks
>No waiting at gas stations
Instead you wait in a Walmart parking lot for 45 minutes
>$7500 off your taxes
If you make enough AND if you owe enough, retard
>$1500 to put in a charger
Incorrect that's not how the charger credit works and most times people still end up paying out of pocket
>Cons: none
It's on the slower side of EV charging rates, the acceleration is not as quick as other EVs on the market, you cannot go faster than 92 mph, CCS, tail lights are fucked. Most of these are negated by the low low price tag, but to say the bolt is perfect is stupid. I love this little guy I think it's great value for its price point, but it's not perfect.
>>26445158
Tbh out of the handful of evs I have test driven and got to drive, the bolt is the funnest because it has a Regen paddle which is essentially a break on the wheel and something about it...makes me cum.. it's so fun to use. But it won't go faster than 92 MPH so.

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>>26444665
If you're going to apply logic to buying a car then you're of the female persuasion.
Pic related: would peovide transport for my commute for two weeks between charges.
Would I drive it?
Don't be silly.

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>>26444665
cons
>they're built like a retarded high-school kid's last ditch effort to shit out an essay 5 minutes before its due
>they break all the fucking time and recalls are announced on a monthly basis
>the temperature of the air outside is gonna be boss of how far you're allowed to drive that day
>battery replacement cost upwards of 20 grand
>they go through tires so much you'll have bought the car again within the first few years just keeping the wheels working
>they're ultimately powered by coal plants and congolese lithium mines
They're a prototype novelty item that's a glorified publicity stunt from a failing multinational conglomerate headed by a professional autist whos nothing more than a social media influencer who couldn't engineer his way out a paper bag who makes cars that appeal to the kids who bases his entire personality off of what is trending most in instagram reel algorithm and npc boomers who equate the cost of something with its quality and performance. An EV won't power up if the driver has an iq above 70.

>>26445528
>Regen paddle which is essentially a break on the wheel and something about it...makes me cum.. it's so fun to use. But it won't go faster than 92 MPH so.
Classic bolt owner

>>26444665
It's funny how car designers can't figure out what to do with the front of EVs

I permanently removed a Chevy Spark from the road last week trying to pull out of my driveway (I live on a rural highway, niggers go 65mph and the limit is 40)

I drive a 2005 Toyota Avalon and I just my bumper needed to be replaced, not even a 20th century steel tank

The other guy lost his rear wheel in the ditch and I tore his back bumper off

These cheap electric cars are fucking deathtraps

>>26445125
>and desu anyone making under $100k should never consider purchasing a new car in the first place.
So most people shouldn't buy an EV. Understood

>>26445570
Good post.

>>26445528
>>charging at walmart
if you're a rentoid you're better off taking the bus

>>26445570
this post best post

>>26446434
So the other driver also walked away completely fine? Why do you think it's a deathtrap then?

EVs are currently all topping the leaderboard of IIHS crash testing, the battery skateboard helps a lot with preventing intrusion since designers no longer have to keep a 700 lb engine out of the passenger compartment and the crumple zones can be much larger.

>>26447379
So do coffins, easier to use for cremation I guess.

>>26447387
Can you try posting that again but this time in English? And please make it relevant to the quoted post.

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>>26447390
Sure.

>>26447379
This is the most shillo sounding post I've ever heard. If his bumper can annihilate a quarter of the car at very low speeds it obviously isn't going to do well at higher speeds retard

>>26448221
This is caveman logic. Bumpers are designed to absorb energy and deflect it away from the passenger compartment. Sounds like they did their job and the occupants of the car left with no injuries from a 50 mph crash, which is more than you can say about 99% of shitboxes people on /o/ drive.

>>26448239
What happens when you r crack the battery casing and there's a fire? You EV shills need to fuck off and try again when a new battery chemistry is made

>>26448269
Then you probably die because the battery casing is stronger than the frame and it wasn't survivable in the first place.

That or the wagies have to clean it up, which to me also isn't a problem. I have full insurance coverage because I'm not poor, they will deliver a new car to my driveway.

>>26447379
> since designers no longer have to keep a 700 lb engine out of the passenger compartment

What a surprise the EV fag talking about the structure of automotive designs doesn't actually know anything.

Car bodies since like the 1960s were designed to let the drivetrain slide UNDER the passenger compartment in a crash.


Compare that how a simple puncture of the battery pack has turned EVs into raging infernos in a split second.

>>26448322
You retarded fucking nigger that's exactly what I'm talking about. There are design concessions necessary to make the engine reliably drop off in a collision, which are made because it's better than having it intrude into the passenger compartment. Those concessions do not need to be made in an EV, making it safer.

EVs ignite less than ICE in crash and the NHTSA data proves it. Cope, seethe, suck more saudi oil cock

>>26448375
Triggered, go take a long beer break ;)

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I'd like a Bolt EUV with SuperCruise, desu.

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>>26444665
>commuting in a basic bitch boring ass shitheap with the incorrect number of pedals
>even considering spending your own hard earned dollarydoos on a boring shitheap
Get fucked

>>26448397
>What is practicality

>>26448404
Miatas are practical, there's infinite cargo room with the top down

>>26448404
A thing for people that are dead inside they use to claim that their lives still have meaning.

>>26444665
>Noooooo you cannot have a fun daily driver you must drive ze pod and ingest ze bugs

Fuck off

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Just gave this little nigga a bath. I love my bolt

>If you sit in traffic

>it charges in your garage

>>26448807
That's the Florida experience

>>26448422
Meaning is subjective.

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>>26448408
Can't fit a bike in a Miata

>>26448935
>>>/n/

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>>26448935
git, and I can't stress this enough, gud

>>26444665
>Cons:
>None

The Con is that buying an EV only makes sense IF you already own your own home, or if you already have enough money that you are renting a home with your own garage. If you live in a regular basic apartment, and thus cannot charge while car is parked overnight, EVs are less convenient than gasoline cars. No one wants to get up an hour early for work to drive their EV to the local EV charge station and then sit there for 30 minutes+ while it charges. Similarly, due to long charging times, EVs are the worst options for road trips more than a couple hundred miles. Chicago to Omaha is like an 8 hour drive. In an EV it would probably be closer to 12 hours.

Point being, EVs are a rich man's toy at this point. If you own a home with a garage, and IF you are buying it as second or third car, then yeah they can make sense. But if you ONLY have an EV it's kind of retarded in the event you ever have to drive across the country

>>26449012
>an EV only makes sense IF you already own your own home
agreed, for now
but this is very easily fixable
all we need is legislation mandating every parking spot in the garages of apartment buildings to have a standard 220v outlet available
(ofc linked to the appropriate meter so the tenant is charged for the electricity)
a basic 220v socket is not sufficient for fast charging, but its more than enough for overnight charging.
if this is done, and there's no reason not to do it since its extremely cheap and easy to implement, pretty much everybody can go ahead and buy an ev

>EVs are the worst options for road trips more than a couple hundred miles. Chicago to Omaha is like an 8 hour drive. In an EV it would probably be closer to 12 hours.
100% bullshit
anyone doing a long drive will naturally want to stop for food/coffe/bathroom anyway
and ofc, they can charge their cars then. with the sort of fast charging available nowadays, a half hour charging session should easily add enough range to get you to your destination or another natural and very desired stop for more charging.
the only real issue is the availability of charging stations on your route
afaik (not an EV owner), the density of charging stations is already pretty decent in the us and western eu.
and given how quickly they seem to be popping up, even if coverage is not 100% yet, i don't expect this to be a problem for very long.

>>26449012
Cars are only meant for rich people. You should not post on /o/ if you make less than $100k in the US or $150k in Europe (taxes lol)

>>26448935
That’s the smallest car I ever seen

>>26449065
>all we need is legislation mandating every parking spot in the garages of apartment buildings to have a standard 220v outlet available

you're either a retard or trolling. Most apartments don't have parking garages. If your place has a parking garage, it's a luxury apartment. Hell, a lot of apartments don't even have an off street parking lot. Plenty of apartments you just have to park on the street. Keep in mind housing costs are at historic highs now and installing EV charging at most apartments would only increase these costs (and thus make car ownership less tenable).

>>26449065
>>26449065
>100% bullshit
>anyone doing a long drive will naturally want to stop for food/coffe/bathroom anyway
>and ofc, they can charge their cars then. with the sort of fast charging available nowadays, a half hour charging session should easily add enough range to get you to your destination or another natural and very desired stop for more charging.

again you're either retarded or never go on road trips. If I'm driving from Omaha to Denver for a concert (which is a routine thing that plenty of normal people do every year) then I can't waste time stopping for an hour or two on the drive. It's already an 8-9 hour drive. If your concert is at 7pm, you'll want to leave Omaha by 11am at the absolute latest to make it their on time in a gasoline car, and even then, it's pushing it. When accounting for traffic and traditional pit stops, you should really leave by 10am anyway. If you were to do that trip in an EV, you'd have to leave at 7am to guarantee that you have enough time, and even then it might not be enough. Someone who is using their PTO to take a day off work to drive there is going to want to be able to sleep in a little bit before the road trip, so that they aren't tired and exhausted by the time the concert starts.

Then they'll likely drive back on Sunday, and they'll want to make good time so they can get home, and get plenty of sleep before working on monday

>>26449135
A 9 hour drive is a no brainer flight, it's frankly idiotic to drive so far and the only way it makes sense is if you're too poor or too fat to get on an airplane.

>>26444665
I don't care, I enjoy engine noises, my car goes vrooom, yours don't.

>>26449135
>Most apartments don't have parking garages
only in the ghetto.
any apartment building decent enough for white people will have a parking garage

>8-9 hour drive
a) that's called a flight
b) the longer the drive, the more necessary the stops, and the longer those stops need to be

>>26444665
>commuting to work
NGMI

>>26449135
Omaha to Denver doesn't require 'hours' of charging when making the trip with an EV, and that's with the relatively shitty network available today where about half the chargers on that route are the older generation 150kW stations.
Using my presets for A Better Route Planner, based on how I drive and optimizing charging a Tesla could do it in about 7 and a half hours including the time it takes to charge.
If you're a more conservative driver 8 hours at a more leisurely pace and with a longer break is definitely possible even before Tesla rolls out the new V4 615kW fast chargers.

>>26444697
t. Someone who commutes 15 miles each day to his office job.

You don’t need that f250 bud.

>>26448397
>power steering
>electric starter
Lol pussy
Man up and get a real car instead of letting it drive for you

>>26444665
Flyovers don't have that many charging stations, I'm happy with $5k shitboxes, I like where I live, and you're not going to shill me on buying something new.

>>26448923
That's a self-defeating statement.

>>26444665
The problem is that the cheapest and best EVs out there are only besting gas Camrys, not even the hybrids, in a head to head comparison for 5 year ownership costs. There's still a bunch of a way to go down in budget before people can afford them. I'm not even saying it needs to be Nissan Versa cheap but it needs to be at least Corolla level cheap and we're not there yet. Even as expensive as they are, hybrid versions of vehicles are the best bang for buck right now for daily driving even with the ridiculous markups on them and the incentives on EVs.

https://www.kbb.com/best-cars/lowest-5-year-cost-to-own-cars-trucks-suvs/
>2022 Tesla Model 3
>5-Year Cost to Own: $48,233
>2022 Toyota Corolla Hybrid
>5-Year Cost to Own: $31,231

>>26449082
Have you seen what people drive here. Get out of here /n/igger.

>>26444804
go back

>>26444665
>>26445528
Kill yourself faggot

>>26449214
>posts on a car board\
>"just fly"
Found the /n/igger

>>26449248
Even if they are metered to tenants' electricity bill, how do you expect other people to not just take your spot and charge on your dime?

>>26450340
same way people are expected to not park in other peoples spots right now: by not being niggers.
im from yuroland, i've lived in apartment buildings since leaving my parents home
people parking in my spot has never been a problem
(because i don't live in black or immigrant neighborhoors, im sure its a problem there)

>>26450326
Model 3 is a luxury car, it's fair to compare against a BMW 3 or Lexus GS because a big chunk of that total cost is depreciation and luxury cars depreciate much faster than regular ones.
>>26450328
>>26450332
>>26450335
Filtered.

>>26450326
>2022 Tesla Model 3
>5-Year Cost to Own: $48,233
That struck me as odd so I had to check.

>Price: The 2022 Tesla Model 3 starts at $48,490. A Model 3 Long Range model begins at $55,990, while the Tesla Model 3 Performance starts at $61,990.
So they haven't updated their numbers to reflect the current pricing. Where the base RWD car is $43k, and the AWD Performance car is $54k.

I suspect that the main page there was written when the purchase price was $47k, and that they're using ~$1000 as the added TCO where about half of that is the more expensive registration EVs pay. That would have also been during the time when Tesla was no longer qualifying for the tax credit, so now with that factored in you could probably get a Model 3 for mid 30s TCO over 5 years.

>>26450501
Yeah, I guess a more apt comparison is the Nissan Leaf but it has its own set of issues and requirements and the compromise you get. But Teslas have been retaining their value pretty well outside of the price cuts Elon did this year.

>>26450612
Yeah, it's not taking into account the price cuts, should've added a disclaimer about what has happened this year. But apples to apples numbers which might change next year. The tax credit of $7500 for electric vehicles is going to get revised at the end of the month in 2023 about battery origin and materials and it's going to cut the incentive in half for Teslas to $3750. So it's not going to fall that much but I imagine TCO can get down to the low $40000 for 5 years ownership cost. Still out of reach for most people though. Mid 30s TCO is something like the Nissan Leaf but I think that is barely on the verge of acceptable for folks.

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>>26444665
Post car >>>/n/igger

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>>26444774
>no timestamp
Kek >>>/n/igger

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>>26444883
>can't provide timestamp
Thought so.
>>>/n/igger

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>>26445125
>cope posting instead timestamp
Thought so.
Seething poor brown >>>/n/igge

>>26451461
I had a bicyclist do that to me "but you're supposed to give way" like fcuk am I. Bastard. I hope it hurt a lot.

>>26445570
Unbelievably fucking based.

Unit 8200 kikes btfo with their gay EV shilling and constant demoralization threads.

>>26451457
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>>26451478
filtered

>>26444665
i don't have a garage, i don't park in my land, i park outside. MY DOGS WILL ROAM FREE!

>>26450492
It is very much a problem here. I've never seen reserved spots in apartment complexes and I've lived long enough to know that it would never work here. If we actually end up building denser cities, then charging is just going to be more of an issue.

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>>26452288
YWNBAW

>>26444665
or just get a prius prime. it has everything you need.
>hatchback
>ICE for long distance
>60 miles on a charge for commuting in the city

Why must it always be big fat trucks or cucked EVs?

>>26445528
The 0-60 and quarter mile are the exact same as an s2000 when they first came out.

>>26448393
I bought a bolt EUV but I'm gonna get a comma 3 instead of supercruise. It has better capability and is cheaper.

>>26448988
Enjoy your 10 mpg

>>26450326
chevy bolt is way cheaper and comes with a free level 2 charger and outlet installation. Why would you pick a car over 15k as expensive?

>>26444665
Sitting in traffic is depressing enough.
The idea of buying an electric appliance for this specific task is beyond that. Think about offing yourself or something, this will end your suffering and free the roads a bit.

>>26455105
I will, because fun is the entire reason to own a Miata, not squeaking out every last emmpeegee like a hypermiling poorfag in a Prius

>>26449214
>>26449248
>>26449214
>A 9 hour drive is a no brainer flight, it's frankly idiotic to drive so far and the only way it makes sense is if you're too poor or too fat to get on an airplane.

holy shit faggot alert. Why would you fly? You'll still need a car when you get there, especially if you want to take a day to see the mountains or go skiing. Plus, it's not pre-pandemic anymore, flights are actually expensive now. I drive a car that gets 21mpg on the highway. Driving to Denver and back costs me half as much as a flight would cost. If you're a normie and actually have friends to go with you, then it's even cheaper. 3 or 4 bros in the car to denver and back makes the transport costs 1/8th or 1/16th of what it would be if you fly.

That's more money to spend on your vacation. Plus, I-80 through Nebraska can be a fun drive, it's not too busy and you can usually drive really fast. One time I took a Prius from Omaha to Denver and back with 4 other dudes in the car. I think my total transport costs both ways was less than 20 bucks in gas. You simply cannot beat that.

>>26455105
if you own a car like that for longer thana typical lease car, you are likely not bothered as much about mpgs than the average joe who just wants no frills transportation

>>26454858
PHEVs like the Prius Prime are a great solution if you have a typical driving pattern and don't drive more than ~20 miles most days, and rarely drive longer distances. 60 miles is insanely optimistic for the last-gen Prius Prime which had ~8kWh usable (about the equivalent of 1/4 of a gallon of gas), and is probably also out of reach for the new one which has ~12kWh (about 1/3 of a gallon equivalent).
Toyota really needs to get up to about 16kWh to have 50 miles EPA, and to reliably have 50 miles they probably need more like 20kWh usable.
I wish there were more PHEVs with powertrains like the BMW i3 REX with more like a 40kWh battery, although not the stupidly small fuel tank.

If you frequently drive more than 100 miles, but less than 300 miles in a day then a mid range or long range EV is better.

>>26455183
>1100 mile round trip
>$20 in fuel
I'm Assuming that's $100 total split 5 ways?

For comparison ABRP with my presets for a Model 3 says $80 in Supercharger fees travelling at 344 Wh/mi.
Split 5 ways that's $16 per person. But you would need a destination in Denver with L2 charging (there's a bunch).

When that new electric VW Bus comes out, its probably going to be the cheapest 'road trip with the bros' vehicle. At least if the long wheelbase version has 7+ seats.

>>26453109
>It is very much a problem here
>here
baltimore?
london?
paris?
india?
literally in africa?

its not a problem in white neighborhoods in europe
im assuming its not a problem in white neighborhoods in the us
frankly, if you live anywhere else, i don't care about you
and you shouldn't worry about charging EVs, worry not to getting murdered and/or raped

>>26455192
>If you frequently drive more than 100 miles, but less than 300 miles in a day then a mid range or long range EV is better.

EVs make the perfect vehicles for driving for uber. cheap to fill up and maintain.

>>26455274
True, Tesla's LFP cars are basically Taxi-service specials that they also sell to the general public.

>>26455183
ill concede that driving is cheaper, and yes its nice to have a car when you arrive
plus you are spared the indignities of air travel, of which there are many (unless you own your own plane, which i assume is quite comfy.)
ill not call anyone doing this a retard

but the person we were replying to was still a retard

driving long distance requires stops, during which you can charge your EV.
you might need to stretch some of the stops longer than you'd like, but still, that's not going to change a day's drive into 2 days or a 2 day drive into 3 days.
we're talking a 10minute coffee/bathroom stop being lengthened to 30 minutes instead
ofc a longer stop for lunch would not need to be lengthened at all
ditto for an overnight stop in case of a really long journey
so really, assuming adequate infrastructure, which is already pretty much there for any western eu/usa trip, doing the trip in an EV is problematic in any sense

>a Prius
driving with an EV would be even cheaper in almost all cases
next best would be a 2litre diesel, probably
hybrids are best for in town driving where you can use the regen braking and the eletric motors
on the highway, a prius is just a 1.8litre petrol engine. an efficient one, but just a petrol engine still

EVs have to be the dumbest fucking marketing segment I've ever seen.
>Overpriced to the point lower-class can't even consider them
>Tax incentives that are out of reach for those that need them & have little impact on those that can buy them
>Used EV incentives are either obtuse or non-existant
>Selling point of not needing gas, but trading that for the inconvenience of charging times
This is peak deptor marketing for those that can't actually afford a car & leasefags that just want individual transportation devices.

>>26454858
>>26455192
>PHEVs
i don't like them because they have the complexity of both ev and ice powertrains and usually cost as much as an ev anyway
literally just get a tesla
>inb4 i don't like teslas/elon mush
fine, bet a bmw i series or vw id$NUMBER or an audi e-tranny

>range/trips
right now, in most of the western world, charging infrastructure is pretty much adequate for trips
granted, unlike with an ICE, you do still need to take a few minutes to actually plan shit, but i doubt there is a non-trivial number or journeys you couldn't make with an EV

imo the only real practical reasons to not get an ev right now are
1) you can't afford it
2) you can afford it, but can't afford your own home so you can charge it overnight in your garage
3) you can actually afford an ICE that's actually worth it, like a ferrari or some nice v8 muscle car or something. ofc in this scenario you can also afford an ev for shopping trips and commuting, so...

>>26455291
>we're talking a 10minute coffee/bathroom stop being lengthened to 30 minutes instead
Actually according to ABRP for Omaha to Denver right now its 2 10 minute stops at 250kW chargers, plus 2 15 minute stops at 150kW chargers, and that's using my extremely pessimistic preset that assumes slightly under 3 miles a kWh. Real world, you'd probably be stopped slightly longer at a couple of those stops in an 8 hours drive regardless of what type of vehicle you're driving.
Once I-80's charging network is a bit more modern that trip will be even faster.

>>26455324
>charging infrastructure
I don't care about that. It's the fucking charging times. You'll also never be able to work on your ev without it being remotely shutoff for tampering or something.

>>26455381
>I don't care about that. It's the fucking charging times.
the charging times are inconsequential
longer than a breakneck speed petrol fill-up, but in most cases we're talking a VERY small delay overall over a more normal stop that includes coffe/bathroom
see >>26455337 who actually did the math

>You'll also never be able to work on your ev without it being remotely shutoff for tampering or something
that is the case with most modern cars, ev or not
i don't like it either
and in any case, there is far less stuff to work on in an EV
battery + motors, that's it
the rest (ac/lights/etc) is the same as an ice car

>>26455381
>You'll also never be able to work on your ev without it being remotely shutoff for tampering or something.
Contrary to what you might have heard, the worst that will happen if you make a repair yourself is removal of fast charging access, and that's only on a pretty limited number of things.
Right now there are less than a million EVs out of powertrain warranty, the larger that group gets the more political pressure there will be for Right to Repair laws that prevent that bullshit.

Now that Tesla is opening up their network to third-party cars, there's really zero justification for them or other car makers to disable fast charging. They really do need to be sued over it. Its absolutely unforgivable.

>>26455414
You forgot the part about the queue of teslas waiting to charge that are ahead of you. That 10 minutes adds up when there are 10 people in front of you.
>that is the case with most modern cars, ev or not
you can buy a car that's ~10 years old and not have to deal with that. i do admit though, the only ev that is ok in my book is the ebike. just drive your corolla and ride your ebike. i can even carry extra batteries to swap out. can't do that with a car. that's why ev cars suck
>>26455465
I'd rather not take that road to begin with. Suing someone to get back standard functionality is not a good strategy. Especially not with someone who's profit margin depends on fucking you out of it.

>>26455585
>the queue of teslas waiting to charge that are ahead of you
im not aware of this ever having been a significant problem

>you can buy a car that's ~10 years old and not have to deal with that
sure.
but then you have a 10 year old car
this has other disadvantages

>Especially not with someone who's profit margin depends on fucking you out of it
the point that anon was making is that this strategy is legally indefensible and will almost certainly be legally challenged and obsoleted
well, at least w.r.t. 3rd party parts that don't affect the battery or charging system, with those there are legitimate concerns

>>26445528
>not charging at home overnight
ngmi

>>26448988
>gets rear ended at 5 mph
>cracks head on rollcage
>dies

>>26455892
>posts the same 5 webms and news articles every time

>>26455291
>implying all places to eat have high-power charging stations available
Probably some of them do, some of those might be unoccupied, but limiting yourself like that is kinda cucked. You won't be choosing where to dine based on the quality of food and service, but on charging availability in the first place.
>on the highway, a prius is just a 1.8litre petrol engine. an efficient one, but just a petrol engine still
Incorrect, it has electric motor-generators to supplement the engine.
Also, post car.

>>26455465
>Contrary to what you might have heard, the worst that will happen if you make a repair yourself is removal of fast charging access, and that's only on a pretty limited number of things.
Stop lying.

>>26455381
There are no parts to break on an EV

>>26444665
If I choose to spend all my money on a classic muscle car instead of buying a basic bitch EV that only /n/iggers drive, that doesn't make me poor, especially when the lifetime cost already is twice that of some electroshitbox. What kind of cope even is that? Do you not understand fun? Do you enjoy not having fun? I seriously hope you don't think the point of owning a sports car is not to drive it.
I don't understand the /n/igger mindset, could another anon please explain?

>>26444700
This.

OP is a nocar/nobike FAGGIT

>>26444665
Plug in hybrids make the ideal daily driver. Full EVs are just dumb.

>>26456424
There's no fun sitting in bumper to bumper traffic in a sports car. Heavy clutch, no AC and shit heat, rough suspension over potholes, it's brutal in terms of maintenance. Much better to have a dedicated commuting car so you can enjoy driving instead of wrenching on your fun car(s)

Anyone I see commuting in a sportscar is 100% a poorfag trying to flex.

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Only EV I will consider buying
>rwd
>can turn off TC
Only downside is the retarded digital mirrors thing, but owners say they are not that bad, and the price

>>26444774
Bro upgrade your stone. That counter is 20 years dated.

>>26456422
>nocar /n/iggers believe this

Hybrid is the most practical choice. Full EVs are inconvenient, and a massive waste of resources.

>>26455291
>driving long distance requires stops, during which you can charge your EV.
>you might need to stretch some of the stops longer than you'd like, but still, that's not going to change a day's drive into 2 days or a 2 day drive into 3 days.
>we're talking a 10minute coffee/bathroom stop being lengthened to 30 minutes instead

You're not totally wrong, but reading stuff like this from EV shills just makes me think you are all rich as fuck and don't understand how modern normies, especially young people in their 20s, take road trips.

Road trips aren't leisurely strolls where you take 30min to an hour at a stop. You pull in, fill up with gas, go to the bathroom, get food/beverages, and get back in the car and on the road. Shouldn't take more than 10 or 15 minutes at absolute maximum. Anything more will severely extend your travel time.

I'm just being realistic here, this is why EVs suck for road trips and are really only good for daily city driving. Not to mention that EVs get better mileage in the city than on the highway. Once EVs can recharge as fast as I can fill up a car with gas, then they'll be worth buying

>>26456758
>Once EVs can recharge as fast as I can fill up a car with gas, then they'll be worth buying
That and I need to be able to work on it like an old camry. Right now it's the iphone of cars, which is not gonna change anytime soon.

>>26456758
>Road trips aren't leisurely strolls where you take 30min to an hour at a stop
they should be
there is no practical benefit from making a 6 hour drive into a 5 hour drive at the cost of your comfort
young people are poor, there's no reason they need to be retarded too

>Anything more will severely extend your travel time.
no, it will extend your travel time by 20minutes times the number of stops needed, say every 150-200 miles. and that's a pessimistic estimate
realistically, we're talking less than an extra hour for most trips, maybe 2 for exceptionally long ones
its not severe
you're not in a race
you're on a road trip, presumably for the purposes of vacationing
there's no reason to rush or to be uncomfortable
take the stop, buy the coffee, stretch your legs, smoke a cig if applicable to you, relax

>Not to mention that EVs get better mileage in the city than on the highway
that is accurate, but irrelevant
pretty much every modern EV has enough range to drive for ~3 hours at highway speeds, which is perfectly long enough to justify the next stop

>>26456768
Nta
At least you aren't one of those idiots who deny that they will ever be viable even though ev's are like 5% of all new sales already.

I think ev's will end up more tuneable, it's a lot like programing a plc or vfd where you tweak settings and there is obviously still mechanical parts but it won't be like bolting on a turbo but more like throwing different gearing and bearings in to help with those new settings, or even bigger wiring or bigger electric motors

>>26456804
>take the stop, buy the coffee, stretch your legs, smoke a cig if applicable to you, relax

why would I do this when I can drink coffee and smoke cigs in my car? holy fuck

>>26456474
>Plug in
>large heavy expensive battery
>have to haul it around everywhere
>tiny 4-banger ICE is struggling to charge it
>MPG worse than pure ICE when it's depleted
>have to haul around the entire ICE drivetrain when it's not
>bbbut muh cheap electricity
Take the non-plugin pill.

>>26456806
No i still think they're retarded. I'm just saying in theory, I would not mind it if it's cheap, i can fix it easily and cheaply, and I can instantly charge it. Maybe the last thing will happen but that's probably going to fuck the life of the battery so give and take. Right now, the only reason car companies have for trying them is to do money grab bs like tesla, so no, they will be a dumb decision over a civic for at least 50 years.

>still no bread posted by any of the EV shills

>>26456758
>You pull in, fill up with gas, go to the bathroom, get food/beverages, and get back in the car and on the road. Shouldn't take more than 10 or 15 minutes at absolute maximum. Anything more will severely extend your travel time.
This is already the case at the current generation chargers. The typical time spent at a 250 or 350kW fast charger is 10-15 minutes for cars that support them.
The typical time spent at an older generation 150kW fast charger is 15-20 minutes. Slower 50 or 75kW chargers tend to be more like 30 minutes to an hour, but they're also generally places people take longer stops.
Next-generation 600+ kW fast chargers are currently being deployed, but that's mostly future proofing for the next-generation 1000v architecture cars.

I've owned a Tesla for 5 years. I've never had to wait in line to charge, and in my experience at the most common place I stop to fast charge by the time I've gone in, used the bathroom, gotten coffee and gotten back to the car its ready to go. It doesn't really make sense to make longer 15+ minute stops at 250kW chargers most of the time because by the time you've been there 15 minutes the charge rate is under 75kW and you have well more than 2 hours of range. So if your car has 3-4 hours of range on the interstate at the start of the day, a single stop at a 250kW station is usually enough to extend that long enough to get home, or get you to the point you want a longer stop.

In my experience, long range BEVs are great for road trips. Just like how long range and short range BEVs are great as daily drivers. What lets BEVs down right now are day trips around 300 to 400 miles round trip because within a 100 mile radius of many places the fast charging infrastructure can still be lacking unless you're driving between cities on direct routes.

>>26457020
>This is already the case at the current generation chargers. The typical time spent at a 250 or 350kW fast charger is 10-15 minutes for cars that support them.
>typical time spent

yeah, cause most people who go there probably aren't on E or even close to it. What happens when you drive your electric car even just 200 miles and then stop to recharge, how long til 100%? Shit how long to 80%? I feel like you'd bare min want to charge it to 80.

>>26459055
charging slows down the fuller the battery is
the optimal way to do it is to start the trip with a nearly full charge from overnight charging, say 90% (don't wanna wear out the batteries by going 100%)
and then you would make more frequent stops, every 100 or 150 miles or so. that's already minimum 1.5-2 hours of straight driving at highway speeds, so its not like its too frequent.
and you'd charge to whatever amount your route planner told you is necessary, plus a safety margin ofc

realistically, the planner will also tell you when/where to stop, so you don't have to think that through either.
its not like you have to challenge yourself intellectually, lol.
at worst you may want to choose a different route plan to arrange for a longer stop near lunch time or something

>>26444665
>ideal daily driver
>assfuck tier ride quality
>bursts into flames
???

>got an EV to drive to work and home
>energy costs are down for me

Why do I hate my car again, is it because I'm not owning the libs by spending more on getting to work?

>>26459187
>don't wanna wear out the batteries by going 100%
kek every time
how cucked an evcuck can be

>>26459187
>and then you would make more frequent stops, every 100 or 150 miles or so
>the planner will also tell you when/where to stop
>at worst you may want to choose a different route plan to arrange for a longer stop
oh there's even more cuckoldry
some electric appliance fucks your trip plan up and you can only watch and obey