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>400 hp
>manual is standard equipment
>retro styling
>$40k
Why has the opinion on this car become so fierce negative when it’s exactly what so many people were asking for?
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/n/igger agitators mad that nissan isn't following their script if we're being honest
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who's mad? as far as I've seen people really love the new z
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>>25918471
All sentiment I’m seeing now is that it’s an old platform with leftover parts that doesn’t have a fast enough 0-60 time.
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>$40k
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>>25918466
>ugly
>needs two turbos to make that "power"
>it's a Nissan
>OPEN DIFF
>$40k gets you a 450hp Mustang or Camaro which is a better drivers car
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>>25918466
It's a Nissan.
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>>25918479
> which is a better drivers car
Haven't been in one and there's obviously no reliability data yet, but with niggan's reputation I'm assuming the murican v8s are going to have nice interiors (at least the stang) and be way cheaper to run long term. I'm glad to see this product be made but totally get why the sales won't ve stellar
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Nissan has been shit for over a decade now, this doesn't change anything. They build cars like they're SUPPOSED to burn oil.
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>>25918466
they should have made it 100hp to really bring back those retro vibes
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>no lsd on the base model
>actually $50k
tell me again why I shouldn't just get a nubrz and get 75% of this car for 35k
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>>25918540
because 75 percent of 50 is only 37.5
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>>25918466
>Why has the opinion on this car become so fierce negative when it’s exactly what so many people were asking for?
The GT86/GR86 suffers the same. Anons can't handle when the god machines actually become reality.
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>>25918488
Why yes, and this is also a Nissan.
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>>25918466
>>retro styling
Into the trash it goes
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Looks like a bastardized opel from behind
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>>25918879
Ya because they still can’t afford them even when they start at <$30k. This board is filled with poor and mad people, is it any wonder why they all think their $2000 1998 Hondas have SVOL? It’s all they can afford so they do mental gymnastics to convince themselves their shit heap cars are desirable.
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>>25918466
400z = 3,550lbs = 400HP = $40k
6.2L Camaro = 3,618lbs = 455HP = $35k

It’s less car for more money, why would anyone pay more money to be stuck in a 6 cylinder in year 2022.
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>>25918975
is the 5k saving really worth being stuck at the mechanic every week?
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>>25918983
What is this reverse psychology, are we now pretending Nissan is more reliable than GM?
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>>25918985
honestly nissan has some very sketchy reliability however compared to GM they are the pinnacle of engineering
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>>25918985
the bar is low when comparing anything to GM
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>>25918940
and that's a good thing
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>>25918466
$40k wouldnt be horrible in this market if that came with the LSD. The problem is these are going to get marked up to thr stratosphere by options bloat and dealer markup.
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>>25918882
this image has finally convinced me r34s are not good looking
the front end belongs on a truck
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>>25918882
>Nissan makes one good thing ever
Yeah yeah, r34
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>>25918479
amerishart cars are always garbage
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>>25919083
>anon doesn't know about Patrols
Silvias and Pulsar SSS's were great too. Or are you Nissan haters basing your opinions on the lack of options that came to US?
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>>25918466
>Monitors as gauge cluster
I hate this fucking meme so much. I wish you could just rip it off but I bet it'll report you to the FBI if you tried to fuck with it since Nissan is a fucked piece of fucking shit hlobohomo nigger faggot company
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>>25918471
it's worst in class
supra wins all day and twice on sunday
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>>25919253
z looks better
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>>25919258
wrong
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>>25919262
shit taste
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>>25919263
retarded dead fish
one of the ugliest cars to come out in a bit
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>>25918466
Phoneposters should die.
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>>25918466
>base model has no LSD and terrible brakes
>premium model gets destroyed by the Supra, despite not being much cheaper
>both are going to be unobtanium for a year or two
all the hype around thid car is gone and the reality is depressing
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>>25918466
95% of the car community are salty that we will not be able to own/drive one before it is 5 years old with 125k hard miles on it.

Current economic climate encourages dealer mark ups, re-sellers and heightened vandalism/car theft. They made what we've been asking for and once they finally do, 8 out of 10 people cannot truly "afford" it.
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>>25918473
wrenchlet detected
People who work on their cars would KILL to get more cars like this. Proven tech, little bullshit, tons of aftermarket for the platform right off the bat.
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>>25918466
No dealer is selling these for 40
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>>25918466
It's the same 350Z with different exterior sheetmetal and plastic. I guess the Pro is that its brand new, however you can find clean, unmolested 350Zs with under 20k miles for less than the 400Z
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>>25919266
Why is the car screaming
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>>25918493
>american cars
>nice interiors
LMAO
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>>25919083
>one good thing ever
I thought you had to be 18 to post here?
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>>25919753
because it's a platform from 2002 that wants to be laid to rest but nissan keeps mutilating it
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>>25919537
>It's the same 350Z with different exterior sheetmetal and plastic
it's really funny to me when know nothing parrots out themselves for the know nothings they are.
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>>25918466
>Only 65 HP above the 370z despite a twin turbo setup
>200 pounds heavier so that's 5-6% slower on a power to weight ratio, so the power bump is even less noticeable
>No LSD at all in the base model (granted, the VLSD from the 370z sport/nismo trims isn't very good anyways)
>Most people agree that the front end looks are terrible / a total downgrade from previous Z's, really should have mimic'd the 300zx's front end like they did to the rear end
>It's gonna be 2-3 years before you can get them anywhere near MSRP, dealers are sold out at 60K+ and the only ones I've heard about in my area are 80K+

Those are the main reasons.

>>25918479
>Why get a v6 japanese sports car when you can get an american V8 MUSCLE EXTREME BOATMOBILE
granted the new Z is heavy as hell too but I don't think people looking at japanese sports cars are interested in huge bulky heavy american muscle cars that literally every single dude-bro and boomer on the road has. I'd strongly regret my purchase if I bought a mustang after a 20 minute commute makes me see 50 more of them on the road.
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>>25919912
>granted the new Z is heavy as hell too
Z cars have always been heavy. It's a gt car and has been since its inception. The s30 is the only lightweight z, and that's just because gt cars of the 60s and 70s weren't that heavy.
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>>25919912
>I'd strongly regret my purchase if I bought a mustang after a 20 minute commute makes me see 50 more of them on the road.
why?
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>>25918474
you're gunna get fucked on a new car, I dont care if you can piss straight redwine.
when you settle on buying new your luck runs out.
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>>25919944
maybe people are finally realizing the gt car segment is a worthless meme
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>heavy
>ugly
>no lsd on a 40k twin turbo car, holy kek
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>>25919460
People who work on cars would never buy anything new because they have none of those things.
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>>25918466
holy shit op did you get that image off a postage stamp? what is this a Z car for ants?
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>>25919944
>>25920080
>literally the only parts of america where a GT car could matter is the salt belt where you wouldnt want a nice car most of the time anyway
its like people who obsess over canyon carvers but live anywhere that isn't California(and even then the actual day to day driving you'll be in sucks)

its hard to justify anything that isn't a manual mid sized sedan with 250+ hp if you're into driving or a luxury car
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>>25919460
larp detected. you know the turbo replacement requires a full front cradle/engine drop right? the q50/60s had issues with failed turbos and loose wastegate pivots causing overboost conditions.
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>>25919262
>>25919266
neither of these are particularly good looking from the front. the supra is over-styled and has too much going on, as it does everywhere else on the car so it appeals better to manchildren. the z is uglier in front, but it's simpler and more reserved overall so it'll age better.
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>>25919253
>posts picture of it taking off due to shit aero
lol.lmao
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>>25920148
>but live anywhere that isn't California
you realize there are canyons outside of shitifornia, right?
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>>25920385
it really doesnt matter anon. most people dont live there.
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>>25918466
I'd buy one if I had $40k and room to spare. I'm more of a Miata guy but these seem legit, too.
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>>25920388
Greater appalachia has plenty of great sports car roads and a shitload of people live here.
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>>25920408
same thing anywhere out west
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>>25920408
>>25920414
I highly doubt this. I've never seen it
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>>25920418
you live in the shit part then.
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>>25920430
I just don't think this really counts
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>>25920436
>35000sqmi of specified location doesn't count
you're a dickhead and you know it
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>>25920465
I dunno. Your actual driving driving is going to be hour minimum to the next point on that map. Would you rather do that in a miata or an accord
it just doesnt make sense anymore. cars are so done in this country.
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>>25920474
well these are crowdsourced datasets. my favorite road isn't even on here, this is just what people have mapped.
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>>25918479
american cars are for niggers
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>>25919349
Barely slower, and spending less money still on the car with a flash tune/exhaust brings higher hp output than the Supra.

>>25919376
Sadly if things stay the way they are they'll still be trying to sell high mileage used ones for new prices.
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>>25920483
Yoooouuuu know you're in a Nissan thread right?? I don't think you can call others that when you're defending a Niggsan lel.
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>>25918548
you realize that's more money right? surely, you are aware that 37.5 is greater than 35
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>>25920490
then the supra gets a tune and it's over. sorry sweaty.
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>>25920148
beamerfag detected
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>>25919912
>huge bulky heavy american muscle cars

68lbs

A 400z and a 6.2L Camaro are 68lbs apart.
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>>25920525
never owned that
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>>25918466
If we all shit on it people won’t buy it with $20k markups then we can buy one
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>>25920295
totally agree. front doesn't look great, but the retro inspired taillights are sick. It's gonna age pretty well
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>>25920497
I'm comparing equal minimal cost performance though. Otherwise it steps into the territory the previous Supra and GTRs went with everyone fully rebuilding the engines, slapping monster turbos on, aiming for 800-1200hp builds, etc. I'm sure with the Zupra and Z platforms people will be rebuilding 1000hp+ over time.
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they should just make the Z car a crossover at this point.
>heavy as shit
>expensive
>tech heavy bullshit
>turbo charged
>doesnt handle well
>ugly design

Why even bother? The Z hasn't been desirable since the 80s
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>>25920493
>american cars are for niggers
please, show me where I defended a niggsan. go on.
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>>25918466
It's an ugly, outdated pos.
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>>25920490
>Barely slower
In the Savagegeese comparison video, the Z with upgraded tires and brake pads was further behind the Supra than the GR86 was behind the Z. While the Z costs only $2k less than the Supra (not even that if you account for how much Nissan gouges for paint and accessories), the GR86 is $20k less than either of them, and all its consumables cost less because it's not as heavy.
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>>25920540
>I'm poor and don't know what I'm talking about
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>>25920625
post video, I'm curious
I have no interest in dropping $40,000+ on a vehicle, but I'd like to see the comparison with proper tires instead of the worthless trash that's on it stock.
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>>25920570
So are most used cars that /o/ loves

>>25920625
Pretty sure they were all running the same tires in that weren't they? Regardless I'll always choose the 86 series, I have a GT86 would be pretty hard pressed to swap it out.
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>>25920626
Where was that anon wrong for the most part though?

I actually think this Gen z is the most appealing design wise in about 3 generations.

But it is heavy, it is turbo charged, tech heavy, and its priced high for what you get.
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>>25920631
>Giant fucking blastigg shid grill that's half blocked-off
Why do they do this, it's so fucking ugly, same with every goddamn car having flat fender arches.
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>>25920632
>heavy as shit
3500 lbs isn't really heavy for a GT car, it's just as pigfat as the TT z32, and only a few hundred pounds heavier than the z31. So saying it was desirable in the 80s but not now and using that as a reason is fucking retarded.
>expensive
40-50k isn't expensive for a new sports car.
>tech heavy bullshit
Sure, but that's been the z since the z31.
>turbo charged
I'm not sure why this is bad, or how this is different from the 80s that he's pretending it was more desirable in.
>doesn't handle well
retarded
>ugly design
the front end sucks, but the rest looks great.

Making it a crossover would be about as dumb of a move as humanly possible, and would guarantee the end of the Z line entirely.
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>>25920629
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc_iYf3h5J0
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>>25920643
naturally aspirated motors will just always feel better and be more reliable. Yeah man the z has always been kind of a shit car. Also there was another Z in the 80s that wasnt the z31
the Z has handled worse than a mustang for a decade now.
>Sure but thats been in the z31
Doesnt even compare to the tech in it now. you're arguing in bad faith.
>3500lbs isnt heavy
yes it is.
>$40k isnt expensive
yes it is.
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>>25919000
Bullshit, my GM turbo Saab is still running at 200k miles and only needs oil changes. Many GM shitboxes we're built on this same platform with the same parts.
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>>25919048
You spelled wagon wrong.
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>>25919000
i call bullshit
take any 4 cylinder opel engine and it will serve you until the chassis rots out
as of right now i have 2 opels that are in working shape and order and one that's fully disassembled and awaiting some love and care (senator A2)
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>>25920295
>Over-styled
I'm a fucking retard for not thinking of this when it comes to cars today
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>>25920679
This. My >>25920666 Saab is on the Opel platform.
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>>25919944
Yes, the Z cars became gt cars because people wanted “luxury” options like a/c, p/s, a larger fuel tank, bigger hatch storage space, power mirrors, power windows, heated mirrors (I shit you not, the 280zx for ‘83 has that option), etc. starting with the 280zx in the late 70s.
The early 240z is cool, but the next generation of 280zx(s) sold even more because you could get those luxury features. Conversely, you could also option power nothing and get the rear “whale tail” in the 280ZX-R for a lighter package of s130. It’s not a 240z, but it’s still closer than any newer model.
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>>25920700
the engine from the aforementioned senator still isn't seized despite sitting under my grandma's balcony for the last 7 years
also ran on exclusively LPG since my parents bought that senator(20-something years ago)
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>>25920631
>So are most used cars that /o/ loves
They don't cost 40k either. New Z is awful looking so most used cars are doing better there.
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>>25918950
Truth
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>>25918950
imagine thinking a 1998 honda is $2000
Imagine wanting a new car.
If you like new cars you just don't understand cars.
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>>25918466
I fucking love this car and I'm reserving one this week. Haters can fuck off and lick my anus.
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>>25920834
>hater
geez
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>>25919048
2000 and R33 are tied for best generation
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>>25920527
don't reply to weebs
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>>25920663
>Yeah man the z has always been kind of a shit car.
I fucking hate teenagers so much.
>Also there was another Z in the 80s that wasnt the z31
the s130? one of the least desirable Zs? lmao
>Doesnt even compare to the tech in it now.
Woah, technology from the 80s doesn't compare to technology today?? NO WAY!!
At the time, the z31 had a lot of electronics compared to other cars on the market. I'm not arguing in bad faith, you're just retarded.
>3500lbs is heavy
it's not for a gt car. Learn to read.
>40k is expensive
not for a sports car. You're just poor.
>b-but I can get [insert used car here] for less!!
no shit, 40k for a brand new sports car is pretty much entry level though. If you want bang for your buck, go buy a c5.
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>>25920702
>the Z cars became gt cars
They didn't "become" gt cars, they have been since their inception. The 240z and 2000gt were direct competitors.
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>>25920884
Its so clear you're arguing in bad faith. You have no intention of actually trying here. You think a discussion is just other people listening to you
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>>25920902
There's no argument to be had when you're just factually wrong about every stance you have.
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>>25920915
Dude can you just be nice here? How am I wrong? I think I know you in real life.
Im not gonna pay $40k for an unrefined yet overly complicated 4000 pound ''gt'' car that has horrible power to weight with an unreliable unsatisfying turbo setup and way way too much technology and gimmicks while trying to pretend its some blessing to enthusiasts. Nobody cares about the z31s awful dash. But I do care that everything is drive by wire steer by wire brake by wire disgusting infotainment synthetic engine noise bullshit.
There's no wrong or right here. its about opinion. just grow up and learn to accept that.
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>>25920924
>Dude can you just be nice here?
Can you just be smart here?
>How am I wrong?
already explained in detail.
>I think I know you in real life.
You don't. It's funny that there are people you know in real life that point out how dumb you are too though.
>unrefined
what
>4000 pound ''gt'' car
not that heavy, and not sure why gt is in quotes. It is one.
>horrible power to weight
lol
>unreliable unsatisfying turbo setup
Making things up again, Billy? It's a turbo setup that already exists in their lineup. In a car you've never driven.
>way way too much technology and gimmicks
you really know absolutely nothing about the car you're crying about. It's funny.
>Nobody cares about the z31s awful dash.
This is another dead giveaway that you're a teenager.
>I do care that everything is drive by wire steer by wire brake by wire
it's 2022. That's every single car.
>disgusting infotainment
comparatively small well integrated screen with physical controls. One of the least egregious infotainment systems on modern cars.
>There's no wrong or right here. its about opinion.
Nah, you're stating a bunch of things and trying to disguise them as opinion, but you're wrong about basically everything you're saying.

Basically, stay poor and get wrecked, Billy.
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>>25920986
All turbo setups are unreliable and unsatisfying desu
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>>25920996
from your zero experience with one? Or did you drive your mom's turbo 1.3l econobox and conclude that's how all turbos must be?
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>>25920996
>All turbo setups are unreliable and unsatisfying desu
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>>25920986
The new Z is a worthless embarrassment that does nothing right and you are pathetic for defending it. Kill yourself.
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>>25920025
I think he was referencing that the $40k model is a 400hp RWD car with a fucking open diff lmfao. That's a piece of shit you can't even use. It's like selling you a house but the catch is you can never install a roof. Fucking useless trash. Base price for a the new Z is $50k, which is more than the American V8 muscle cars, which it can't hold a candle to. Now I've never driven it, but basically every review on youtube says it kinda sucks. It's pigfat and the naturally aspirated 370z on the same chassis handles better and is more responsive. Hard to justify the new Z. It looks cool though.
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>>25919094
You have to be 18 to post here
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>>25921042
Sour grapes
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>>25921048
>with a fucking open diff lmfao
put spool
I know 40k is alot of money but just the fact that they're still making 400hp rwd coupes is as good as we're gunna get in this pozzed future.
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>>25918479
>>OPEN DIFF
seriously? yeah it's shit then
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>>25918950
>$2000 1998 Hondas
if only old shitboxes could be got for even that amount of money...
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>>25919753
>>25919789
it's because it has PTSD
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>>25918466
cars have been going to shit for over a decade now. now that car manufacturers are trying to soften the blow, people are freaking out. its confusing to me, but cars still suck these days. i think people are triggered by more immediate things. they didnt notice they were boiling in the pot of water til they saw a 16 inch tablet in front of their face instead of a gauge cluster. now for the z specifically
>basically the same chassis and car
>still a v6 lmao
>need muh i6
>many of the same interior parts as well
>nissan reputation even farther in the shitter now
theyre asking 40k for a car that really hasnt been changed that much in 20 years. its madness
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>>25918479
>ugly
shit bait. this car is much prettier than the new mustang or (never new) camaro will ever be
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>>25919266
you'll never see the car at the angle unless you're going to look under for the front jack point.
>>25920648
there are anons itt that actually think this looks ugly.
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>>25921175
Yeah it's less of a sports car than a pickup truck.

>>25921278
>prettier
That's pretty gay. Explains why you seem to like hairdressers cars.
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>>25921048
What's the use of a closed/welded diff if you're not doing burnouts?
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>>25921298
>there are anons itt that actually think this looks ugly.
There's one at a dealership near me, I think they're pretty good looking overall. Much better than the last 2 Z's in my opinion.
>tfw I can go buy one at MSRP because Australian dealerships aren't allowed to mark up new cars
Feels good.
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>>25918470
I believe it
>>25918474
Not even that much and lets be honest you would be financing a new car anyway.
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>>25918471
I'm more on the lets see how it performs in a few years and I'll probably grab a used to a later produced new model.
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>>25919253
Supras getting slapped by Zs in super GT tho.
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>>25920203
>turbo
real men drive N/A
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>>25920418
Spend some time on google maps. I have yet to stop finding new roads I want to go see. Here is what is considered the best route but I've found better.
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>>25918474
You can spec a 4cyl camry to 40k
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>>25921409
why would anyone do this
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>>25919912
>huge bulky heavy american muscle cars
Bro the Z weighs 3600 lbs LOL
Fatass underpowered POS
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>>25920418
>the cuckifornian thinking the rest of the world may as well not exist, because he "hasn't seen it"

Many such cases. You folk are deluded.
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>>25919944
>gt car
>gtar
>GTR
I finally understand
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>>25918493
>>25919094
>>25920483
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison-test/a40399204/2022-bmw-m240i-vs-2021-ford-mustang-mach-1-vs-2023-nissan-z-vs-2022-toyota-gr-supra-30-compared/
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>>25919216
People may say it'll date badly, but where can it possible go from here if it already looks like a TFT computer monitor from 2002, running a vending machine GUI?
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>>25920996
This, anyone that says otherwise has never driven a modern normal sized drivetrain. Turbos are godawful to daily.
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>>25921307
Do you actually think good diffs are only for burnouts?
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>>25918474
Going to be 30k for entry level garbage like the jetta, corolla, and elantra in a year or two
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>>25921809
Stop comparing cucked 1.5l turbo econoboxes to sports cars with turbos. It's not even slightly similar.
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>>25918950
Hey bus rider
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>>25920527
?
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>>25920080
You mean the ultimate form of driver's car, enough amenities to keep the wife happy for a weekend trip, fun to drive the rest of the time. You sound under 30, not the target market of grand touring.
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>>25921834
Is this how bad the average new "muscle" car enjoyer is at math?
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>>25921834
That's the last gen car, 2016+ lost weight.
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>>25921840
Damn, the big girl lost a lot of weight. Good job, cheby.
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>>25921844
Gm has the ability to be world class, they just choose not to.
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>>25921307
retard
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>>25921837
im 31, and actually i thought sports luxury was cool when i was younger, but as i get older i realize it's more and more useless to have a car that does everything badly when you can have a hardcore track car and a luxury daily driver with lots of room and 0 sporting pretension
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>>25921839
I’m concerned for you.
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>>25921883
>3339 lbs
Complete bullshit.
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>>25918985
>gm
I mean let's be honest, they are the worst manufacturers in the world
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>>25918466
It's annoying that the LSD is only on the top trim.
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>>25918466
>Why has the opinion on this car become so fierce negative when it’s exactly what so many people were asking for?
It hasn't, you're just trying to start a shitfight on /o/.

Opinion on the car has been realistic, I know because I was considering buying it so I watched all of the reviews and read all of the articles. It's a good driver but it's slower than a supra and has a worse chassis, that's the consensus. The Z interior is nice looking but lower quality than the Supra. The Z doesn't have adaptive steering and suffers for it but it has a good shifter.

I'm not buying one btw. I bought a used C6 Z06 instead.
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>>25920666
200k miles isn’t impressive for anything but a GM
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>>25921951
Based corvette buyer
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>>25918466
It gets BTFO by the BMW built Supra in a straight line and on a track.
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>>25921964
the supra costs 55,120 minus destination etc to get a manual. the Z comes with it at 15k less.
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>>25918466
/o/ hates when they get what they want because then they have to admit that they are too poor to afford a car.
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>>25921850
Go on anon, explain all the benefits of not having an open diff.
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>>25922046
open diffs spin the inside wheel like crazy instead of sending it to the outside which has traction when the car is loaded up with lateral gs and the 2 wheels are spinning at different speeds
performance driving with an open diff is basically a non starter so the Z base model is basically a drag racer retard trim
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>>25922046
here have some poorly edited HPDE novice material
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>>25920418
>>25920436
what the fuck is wrong with you
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>>25919912
>muh weight!
>Z is 3600lbs
Yeah, you're retarded
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>>25920203
>you know the turbo replacement requires a full front cradle/engine drop right
oh nooo, dropping an engine is literally impossible
lmao
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>>25922576
don't try to strawman me. I didn't say it's impossible but you act like it's a minor inconvenience. how many have you dropped? it's a 10 hour job with a lift on this car. dismantling half of a new car is definitely NOT normal.
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>>25920080
GT cars aren't worthless when they're legitimate grand tourers, i.e., 2+2 coupes with powerful engines for long distance driving at high speeds. People are trying to retcon the Z into having always been a GT car when the reality is it's just a sports car that's gotten too fat because Nissan is building on a 20 year old platform at this point.
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>>25922752
This guy gets it.
A true GT needs comfy rear seats and a big ass trunk.
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>>25922576
>Drop engine a couple times
or
>have a normal sized N/A engine instead of an undersized compliance mill
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>>25922752
>I made up my own stupid definition and have no idea what I'm talking about, but this is how things are because I said so!
The z started its life as a direct competitor to the 2000gt.
The z has been over 3000 lbs since 1984. Some trim of the z has been over 3500lbs since 1990.
You're both clueless fucking morons that probably think they mean touring the countryside on a family road trip and having a grand old time when someone talks about GT cars.
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>>25922804
It's only a gran tourer because Nissan actually made a 2+2 version with a powerful engine, the 300zx Twin Turbo. Its successor, the 350z, was designed as a sports car which is why it was 400lbs lighter with only two seats, and that's the foundation on which each subsequent Z has been based on.
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>>25918882
Pre Renault
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>>25920418
And you never will. Stay the fuck out Yankee swine.
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>>25921171
>put spool
>I know 40k is alot of money but just the fact that they're still making 400hp rwd coupes is as good as we're gunna get in this pozzed future.
An LT1 (V8) Camaro is like $35k new AND it has an LSD. A base mustang GT has an LSD and a V8 and it's like $40k new. The Z is NOT a "value" sports car in the USA. It might be in other countries with displacement taxes and such, but in the US it offers LESS performance for MORE money. I like it as a car but this is the truth.

>>25921307
>What's the use of a closed/welded diff if you're not doing burnouts?
You sound like a child so I'll be nice and explain it to you, because I also used to be uneducated. An open diff sucks because once one wheel breaks traction all power is sent to that wheel. The wheel with grip gets zero power. Does this sound ideal? Obviously not. In any limited traction scenario it will lead to you spinning one tire and not moving. People make fun of these cars and call them "one tire fires" because they just sit there smoking one side of the car like a retard. Furthermore, on a RWD car on corner exit you need that diff to put traction down to get you rotation. It helps steer the car out of the corner exit. It is absolutely essential for a sports car and doubly so for a RWD car. So to recap, there is only one situation in which an open diff is ok, and that's if you're traveling in a straight line without serious acceleration. Is that what you do with your sports cars? You like to drive slowly in a straight line?
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>>25923243
I mean I get that he value isn't great but I'm only gunna be looking at these things a decade later if they're still around.
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>>25918466
Same reason there was so much hate for the GT86 10 years ago, the people who want that type of car can't afford it and have to settle for the miata meme
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>>25923263
Well one thing I'll say is the 370z is the same car, essentially, but with a naturally aspirated engine (that's larger displacement). You can certainly pick up one of those. The 350z is actually also the same car, essentially, but with a little less power and a MUCH worse interior. Also 350z are getting really hard to find without having been raped by prior poor owners. They're cool cars but really they're not meant for America and they don't make sense to me here. You can buy a Mustang GT or V8 Camaro of comparable era for the same price as a Z car. In other countries (like Japan and EU) where V8's get raped by environmentalist taxes the Z is a great car offering performance similar to a super high dollar car but much lower price. Consider that the Mustang GT costs like $90,000 in the Netherlands due to taxes and fees.
In the USA the Z car has to fight against equal-priced V8 cars, and it suffers. It looks cool, it is fun, but it was never meant to go head to head with a V8 car and win. It is just an inferior choice. That said, I think too many people benchrace and say a sports car that is half a second slower than another sports car means it's no fun. That's bullshit. You can enjoy cars for their own spirit and character independent of every other car. So get a Z if you want, and if you want one right now buy a used one. You'll have fun with it, but if you live in America there are probably better cars for you.
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>>25919753
Why wouldn't it be? If you were smart, you'd be doing the same thing.
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>>25923278
This is really the most fair assessment I’ve seen.
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>>25922752
>People are trying to retcon the Z into having always been a GT car when the reality is it's just a sports car that's gotten too fat because Nissan is building on a 20 year old platform at this point.
agree
>GT cars aren't worthless
disagree
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>>25922601
>don't try to strawman me
then don't act like that's a job you have to do every other month.
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>>25922046
Traction.

Retard.
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>>25923278
Based reasonable person
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>>25922046
peg leggin is absolutely not boogie, a computerized limited slip is also square cope,
the only thing that is good are spools, lockers or welding the bitch up
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>>25923278
>They're cool cars but really they're not meant for America
In what way? Z cars were created and targeted towards Americans from the beginning.
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Lol @ everyone bitching about it being turbo

People moaned for decades about VQ being hard to get power out of because NA
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>>25927174
sports cars should be NA to be honest
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>>25927174
Meanwhile a LS can make 900+hp all motor.
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>>25921715
So the mustang has the worst performance, worst economy and worst interior and that makes it the best car apparently. I look forward to gassing all journalists
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>>25927218
>the mustang has the worst performance
It loses the 0-60 and quarter to the BMWs due to being manual, but it's still a faster car on the track because of its big ass tires, more power, and more aggressive suspension setup.
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I might've honestly considered the base model of it was NA but had an LSD. No LSD is such a huge dealbreaker.
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>>25927272
There is zero reason for a marketed sports car to not have LSD in a trim to be honest especially at this price
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>>25927245
Forgive me for being a brainlet but weren't they critical of the beamer having an overly aggressive suspension? And could you put bigger tires on the supra or bmw to replicate the grip with less power of the ford?
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>>25927303
They thought the BMW was too stiff for the kind of car it is (a grand tourer). I am almost certain the mach 1 is harsher but it's all in on being a street legal track weapon so that's to be expected.
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>>25918474
That’s the price for a fully loaded hybrid Camry where I live, so I consider it a steal.
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>>25919000
Nah dude, American-made GM cars have been pretty reliable for me. No Toyota level, but still, they handle everything just as well.
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>>25927389
from what i've seen, gm vehicles will run like shit far longer than any vehicle should be allowed to



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