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So if I6 and V12 engines are too long and get replaced by I4 and V6 engines why are we not making W12 englines like pic related?
It's more cylinders and it's almost as compact as a V8.
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>>25753853
W12 engines exist and that's not what they look like
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For a start that's not what a W block looks like
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>>25753853
Because let's face it, ICE appliances are dead. No manufacturers are going to sink money into a dead platform, it's all going to EV R+D.
This is true even for the commie manufacturers, like gm.
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Ferdinand Piech was a real pipe hittin nigga
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Design me a Ж configuration engine
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>>25753854
>>25753859
you're retarded because W engines are both three and four bank engines, so OP's design could technically be a W block
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>>25753861
super and hypercars don't make sense as electric, brands like bugatti, ferrari, lamborghini, porsche, etc will continue making ICE for a long time for high end cars
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>>25753868
What the fuck, how come they didn't just add another bank?
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>>25753878
They essentially just did add another bank (to a V12)
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>>25753891
Yeah, but why not add one on the other side to balance it out?
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only 12?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFXsamCRb28
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>>25753854
>picrel is a true W engine
>also called Y engine
>Volkswagen mainly built dual VR engines
>basically two VR6 are one W12

The VW engines were good, but they did not sell well. The only good car was the Touareg W12.
The Phaeton failed because you could get a real premium car for that money.

V6 engines were more than enough for golfs.
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>>25753906
Yeah we know the W16 exists, and the W18 posted before.
Those are both less compact than a three bank W12 would be.
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>>25753911
>basically two VR6 are one W12
That's another four bank, not three bank.
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>>25753853
>why are we not making W12 englines
Because a bunch of people who nobody elected started to make decisions about what was good for you or not.
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>>25753853
Why not just have a V8?
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>>25753939
They were available and no one wanted them.

Shelling out so much money for a Volkswagen is just insane.
The Phaeton feels like a big golf.

Back then you had to spend another 10k to get a S500.

The Bugatti Veyron did not even break even.
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>>25753876
They will do hybrid. ICE will only be for top speeds.
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>>25753949
Because that wouldn't be Vorsprung durch Technik
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sotta Fraschini but with TriFlux heads
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>>25753853
>I6 has perfect primary and secondary balance
>a V12 with two banks at any angle apart is also perfectly balanced
>I4 has pretty shit balance and I limited in displacement because of it
>two banks of 4 90° apart becomes perfectly balanced
>add another bank of 4 giving it I4 balance again
>piping the exhaust becomes a pain in the dick
>have to market an unbalanced expensive oddball engine that will have to complete with smoother, simpler and higher revving V8s, V12s and V10s. Which already do everything it can but better.
>???
>profit
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>>25753861
Hey everyone, he's here! Now say "Oil shills" or tessie.
Dance, monkey, dance!
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W16 TOHC CHADS ASSEMBLE
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>>25753911
VW also used than engine in the Audi A8 and still uses it in the Bentley Continental.
Also the Phaeton was the same level as the Audi A8. It even had more gimicky shit. Used diesel variants are still popular.
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>>25753871
>next level semantics
Take a long walk on a short rooftop
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>>25754020
quadrupedal under head cam
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>>25754020
>TOHC
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what the fuck was his problem?
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>>25753911
Phaeton didn’t fail it was just for fun
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>>25753904
The important part of balance is the spacing between firing events. For a V12 made out of two I6s, you want a bank angle of 60 degrees between them (720deg / 12 = 60deg). Or you can use a multiple of 60, so you could construct a V12 with a 120deg bank angle.

Just like for a V6, 720deg / 6 = 120deg, but by changing the firing order around you can also set the bank angle at 60deg without winding up with an odd-firing engine or split crank pins or whatever.

So if you're making a V18 with three I6s, then you naturally want 40deg between each bank (720deg / 18 = 40deg) and that looks like about 40deg even between each bank. Sometimes it's slightly off for whatever reason without making a big difference to balance, like maybe there's a funny way to get all the conrods on the "same" crank pin, or maybe it's just like how horizontally opposed engines often have the banks tipped up a few degrees to promote oil draining black into the block vs. being perfectly 180deg apart.
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>>25753854
If OP had spent like 5 seconds of google searching this would not have required a fucking thread.
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>>25753911
Ford FE series is a Y block.
Block has a skirt and the crankshaft sits up inside the block.
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>>25753966
> why stop at 3
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>>25753853
Cost, complexity, weight, balancing.
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>>25753876
Why? You get more power out of EV than ICE when it comes to cars. The F150 lightning does burnouts while towing max loads.
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>>25755034
>The F150 lightning does burnouts while towing max loads.
won't go very far tho, kek
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>>25755034
Most trucks can do a burnout while towing, hell its easier to break traction when something holding you back.

Fucking EV tards I swear.
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>>25754234
Fun fact, the fully assembled W8 is about the same dimensions as a Ford Windsor, just with the width and length switched around.
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>>25755034
Yes for 10 minutes lmao..
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>>25753869
Basically a radial at this point
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>>25753853
That's not really a true w12. "w" infers that there are three separate banks, that's just a funky v12. Technically just 2 VR6s smashed together. Picrel is an example of numerous separate banks
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>>25755034
peak retard take. EVs are hardly faster than a civic let alone actual race cars.
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>>25753853
Alright I've had a good think about it.
Your proposed W12 will have some inherent imbalances that will be enough to make the luxury market turn its nose up.

The sports car market, that's busy scraping the fins off its oil pans and putting its I4's in on an angle to get the centre of mass as low as possible, are going to look at you like you've got two heads when you show them something with an extra bank of cylinders poking right out the top.

The economy and performance economy segments aren't going to accommodate the expense complicated layout.

You could get out a short wheel base rear-mid engine halo car that a few millionaires will buy. But it'll go the way of Honda's oval pistons
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>>25755034

Because to get decent range, or the available charge to go hypercar speeds, you need a tonne of batteries that destroy any on road dynamics. True, not all hypercars are fast around the track, but most are, and as fast as the Plaid is in a straight line (with a low top speed) it's slow around a track.
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>W12 Phaeton
I sleep
>V10 TDI Phaeton
Now we're fucken talkin, lads
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Turbo I6s are replacing V8s
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l6s making a comeback? noice
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>>25757083
Based. The Phaeton and Touareg are my carfus.
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>>25754085
dual underhead cam is real bro
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Honda V5 engine.
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>>25759384
VW VR5
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>>25753904
That was the original idea. But it was more complex than necessary to reach their 1000hp goal.
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>>25753949
A W12 would run smoother than a V8
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>>25753988
>>I4 has pretty shit balance and I limited in displacement because of it
Then why I6s don't come with more than 4 liter?
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>>25760338
My shits are pretty smooth. Doesn't mean you want them in your car.
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>>25760345
>7.4l on aRolls Royce Silver Ghost, the largest modern ones in passenger cars are the 4.2l found in severalJaguars, the 4.3lHemi Six, the 4.0TVR Speed Six, the 4.0Ford Barra, the 4.1Chevrolet 250, the 4.2Chevrolet Vortec 4200, and the 5.0 Hudson H-145 (produced until 1957). As of 2009, theCummins B Series engineused inDodge Rampickup trucksdisplaced up to 6.7 L[3]However, because it is a fully balanced configuration, the straight-six can be scaled up to very large sizes for heavy truck, industrial and marine use, such as the 16 L (980 cu in)Volvodiesel engine and the 15 literCumminsISX used in heavy vehicles.[4]The largest are used to power ships, and use fuel oil.

Yer wot m8?
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>>25760419
Get the hell back here with those damn goalposts anon
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>>25760419
Still no modern car with it.
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>>25760414
A smooth shit means less discomfort in the bathroom, less paper used for wiping, and generally a more pleasant experience overall.
A W12 would mean less discomfort in the car, less gasoline use (because you're more relaxed and easier on the throttle), and a more pleasant experience overall.
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>>25760414
That's the whole point why they were used in luxury cars. Also no turbos so they run even smoother.
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Okay so hear me out, vertical.
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>>25760471
Is that 5 cylinders stacked on top of each other?
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>>25760432
Show me the the 6.7L four pot that's being made till present
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>>25760476
Where did I said I4s can take a lot of displacement you dumb nigger?
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>>25760465
>less gasoline use (because you're more relaxed and easier on the throttle)
That's not an inherent property of the engine. It's not a property of any engine. Bore, stroke, timing, weight, flywheel. Hell even tire mass play a more significant role in acceleration than the number of cylinders and how you decided to stack them. But the biggest contributor is vehicle mass.
>and a more pleasant experience overall.
Because people love the feeling of a four banger? Forget that penny balanced on the intake shit. I wanna feel like I'm in an old diesel transit.
>>25760469
>That's the whole point why they were used in luxury cars
Diesel transit vibes in my maybach?
>Also no turbos so they run even smoother.
Depends on how the turbos are set up. Size? How many? Symmetrical of sequential? Why not a Supercharger if you're that worried and lag?

I'm running out of pictures with skulls in them.
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>>25760487
>>>I4 has pretty shit balance and I limited in displacement because of it
>Then why I6s don't come with more than 4 liter?
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>>25755034
>burnouts while towing
I'm sure that's great for the 100mile towing range
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>>25760514
0.5l is usually the best displacement for a cylinder. Its a good balance between displacement and weight. Revs happily and makes good hp.

You can bump that up a little. The heavier to rotating mass the sluggisher is the throttle response. It also limits max rpm.

Thats also a reason why the 4.0 have relativly low hp but a lot of torque.

Its simply not realistic to double the displacement and expect it to have double hp.
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>>25760514
You were claiming I6s can take a lot of displacement and that`s what I refuted, illiterate nigger.
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>>25760511
>That's not an inherent property of the engine. It's not a property of any engine. Bore, stroke, timing, weight, flywheel. Hell even tire mass play a more significant role in acceleration than the number of cylinders and how you decided to stack them. But the biggest contributor is vehicle mass.
You definitely use more fuel if you go hard on the gas, revving, etc compared to driving smoothly at a nice RPM.
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>>25760511
>Because people love the feeling of a four banger? Forget that penny balanced on the intake shit. I wanna feel like I'm in an old diesel transit.
retard, then this clearly isn't for you, no one is suggesting that everyone need V12(W12) luxury cars you dumb monkey
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>>25753861
>Because let's face it, ICE appliances are dead
>Let's face it, the GM Corvette is not a sports car, it's an appliance

Could it be that all the cancer of /o/ comes from this one dedicated poster?
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>>25760471
Were you thinking of having it like this?
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>>25760645
lol
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>>25760645
Yes that's perfect
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>>25760582
You monkey. Sit at back of smelly Colombian bus and eat banana, smelly ape. Wouldn't know luxury if gives you bath. Illiterate chimp.
>>25760557
Yes your driving has an effect on the amount of fuel you use. More so than the cylinder count. However displacement will also play a role and the two generally go hand in hand since everything has 500cc cylinders these days. But again nothing to do with how the pistons are stacked.
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>>25760549
You didn't refute shit retard.
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>>25753853
That design has no space for main bearings. You can either do it like >>25753854 or with a segmented conrod like this with all three banks in line with each other.
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>>25761658
Then where are all the I6s with more than 4 liter?
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>>25763063
Trucks
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>>25763118
Might as well show forklifts and tractors.
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>>25763063
In heavy diesel machinery mostly. Consumer vehicles don't stray to far from 500cc per cylinder.
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>>25763063
Not a 6 cylinder but Porsche had a 3l I4 in their 944 which is even more displacement per cylinder. Long stroke engines are still rather used in big commercial vehicles where torque is the most important thing and so they are basically diesel only.
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>>25753853
The simple answer is it would add a lot more complexity and moving parts for not that much of an improvement over what you'd get out of a similar size V8.
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>>25764145
Not as smooth as a 12 cyl though.
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>>25765059
You know what's smooth. Really really smooth. The smoothiest boy that smoothed. A fucking EV.
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>>25765638
>Not as smooth as a 12 cyl though.
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>>25765885
Better. You have the weirdest boner for 12 banners. Buy yourself an old Mercedes or jag already. Find out for yourself just how meh the experience really is.
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>>25765638
But buying an EV shows that you're a cock smoking faggot, there's a reason why important people drive luxury ICE cars and not homofaggot EVs, but i guess you wouldn't understand since you got your neghole pozzed at the last Tesla meetup.
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>>25767367
If you like gasoline soo much why not light a dart and take a big wiff?
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>>25767262
tfw the only Mercedes I like is the 5cyl DIESEL
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>>25767427
Pretty based ngl.
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>>25767386
I like women, not man buttholes.
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>>25767572
Hay man. You're the one bring up man ass.
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>>25760645
Now add another column to smooth it out.
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>>25767262
i drove a toyot acentury. it was pretty great
btw those foam-lined tyres EVs need because of the noise kek



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