Why are low cc bikes so rare in the US? If you live in a city you can easily make a 50-200 cc bike your daily commuter.
>>25612757You'd need a motorcycle license anyway. If you end up getting the license you might as well get a bike that can do freeway speeds.
>>25612757because most americans are twice that guy's size and will start sweating after 2 minutes without AC
They're shit and also they'd cost too much. In austfailure you can buy the ct125 postie bike or for the same price you could pick up a ninja 400.
>>25612757Most American cities are miles of sprawl and suburbs so you still might have a 30 mile commute within a single city. Also small bikes like that are still 75% the cost of a full size bike. so it makes more sense to spend $5.2k on a ninja 400 over a $3.8k supercub. And then you have a bike that can actually go on the interstate.
>>25612757>50ccno>125cc 2 strokeyeah>150cc 4 strokenice>250-300ccsweet spot>600cc+suicide
>>25612757Insurance for two years for one of those cost more than my entire car.
>>25612757Because inner city roads can exceed 90mph.
>>25612795CT125s are meme bikes. For actual commuter bikes, look at things like the CB125e.
>>25612825You definitely dont live in the US. I pay $25/month for full coverage on a cbr1000rr and insurance isnt even mandatory in my state
>>25612757Americans are too fat.
>>25612757See >>25612796>>25612816Retard>not one imageFucking phoneposters, fuck newfags
>>25612869I've even rode one. Wouldn't recommend that shit to my worst enemy
>>25612888>2000cc bikes are completely safe guys!!>what is it with your leg?>oh you know shit happens
>>25612896I've ridden one too, basically everyone has because the courses all use them.It's a good bike, I like it.
If I commute on my moped its a coin flip if I get harassed by meth heads wanting to know what it is, where I got it and if its for sale. It has to get locked to bike racks otherwise it'll get stolen which is a pro and con. Theft is a constant worry if I'm not physically in possession of it. Cops don't care either, treat moped theft like bike theft, not worth their time. Collect insurance maybe and be out a personalized bike.Tons of fun ripping around though
>>25612901>implying I said anything likenegative iq post.
>>25612916Yeah except for the fact that they'll rattle your balls off at any speed above 40kph. Nothing against little cc bike, I almost bought a pcx 150 after backpacking Asia just the cb125e is a heap of shit
>>25612757The average vehicle does 60 in under 6 seconds. Is riding something that can't even do 60 really smart?
cities are plain hostile towards motorcycle ownership and nyc in particular decriminalized chink 49cc-125cc scooters for illegals (zero enforcement) but will knock you off your sportbike and impound it if you're missing state inspection or get caught lanesplitting (they'll make traffic specifically to catch lanesplitters)
>>25612795Tell me where you can find a ninja 400 for less than 6k
>>25612950>The average vehicle does 60 in under 6 seconds.not true at all
>>25612888Trips of truthIf your engine can't out displace a water bottle it'sNotARealBike
Small displacement under 125cc you can find with some hunting, but they're a few thousand dollars. You can even buy vespas, but those too are like $3000-4000. If you're spending that kind of money you might as well get a used bike that is capable of freeway speeds. Daily commutes for the vast majority of Americans is longer than what you'd want to do on a scooter like that. If you do live in one of those idiotic apartments in the dead center of a city you're paying incredible amounts of rent just to live downtown somewhat close to work and bars and shit. Either you're walking, taking a bike, or driving a luxury vehicle because you enjoy spending 95% of your income. There sure are a lot of non-riding idiots in this thread who have no idea how engine sizes work. a 1500cc bike isn't necessarily faster than a 600cc bike. Theres a lot of factors other than displacement for bike speed.
>>25612816>600cc+>suicideGet your T levels checked, or post your man boobs
>>25612757>CCThe fuck is that???? Translate to normal
>>25612988The average new vehicle* The best selling vehicle in the world, the F-150 does it in under 6. Here at least pretty much every 3rd vehicle is a new pickup truck.
Small bikes get way more female interest than anything else. Literally the reason I have a gf now
>>25612951>living in jew yorkAnon I think I know what the problem is
>>25613017cc is pretty normal for small motors in the US. Who would want a 3 cubic inch motor?
>>25612986Postie is 8k aud according to the honda website and so is the little ninja. Pretty sure the sv650 goes for only a touch over 10k as well
Posting Honda MB5 because it’s got a real clutch and 5 speed with a 50cc 2 stroke and it’s the first bone I ever rode that wasn’t a moped
>>25612951>nyc in particular decriminalized chink 49cc-125cc scooters for illegals (zero enforcement)https://nypost.com/2022/06/21/nyc-destroys-92-dangerous-dirt-bikes>NYPD has taken about 900 of the bikes and ATVs off the streets of the Big Apple so far this year — an 88% bump over last year. Anyway, scooters and e-bikes are becoming more popular in nyc. Especially because of high gas prices and better mobility. As others have said though, the price point of a new 125cc is about the same as a new 300cc or new 400cc bike so it doesn't make much sense from the customer's prespective. It's a shame too, if the city government really cared about lowering emissions, noise pollution, and traffic congestion they'd take steps to lower the cost of 49cc-125cc scooters in the city and allow Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, and Yamaha to sell those models for comparable prices to those in the rest of the world.>pic related, Suzuki Satria 150cc>$2100
>>25613148I mean that's not an exgpostie bike if that's what you mean. But yeah they are incredibly overpriced for what you get, GS500's are cheaper
>>25613219Fuck even the old posties go for stupid money if they're roadworthy. All round a shit bike to buy unless you want that "delivering the mail" aesthetic
>>25613193>t's a shame too, if the city government really cared about lowering emissions, noise pollution, and traffic congestion they'd take steps to lower the cost of 49cc-125cci was under the impression that scooters and motorcycles pollute about as much as a car becuase they cant fit heavy emssions systems on a small bike
>>25612757>If you live in a cityThat's the problem, a lot of people don't live in dense urban areas. Also winter is an absolute bitch in most of the US
>>25612816>600cc+>suicideThe bike only goes as fast as you tell it to
Because most people at some point or another have to use a highway, and being on an underpowered bike on a highway is generally not a pleasant or safe experience
>>25613493In the past this was true, but with modern emissions standards they've caught back up and produce quite a bit less.But that's not the entire story, they also require far less material to produce, use less fuel in general and also lead to less in landfill. They also have the secondary impact of reducing traffic, which means that cars and trucks are spending less time on the road.
>>25612795This. You'd be stupid to buy the CT125. Part of the reason is is doesn't really take much more material or machining to make a larger engine. It's why 600cc sport bikes are a hard sell compared to 1000cc. In terms of material and manufacturing cost they're not that different.
>>25612757Insecurity, I wouldn't want to be caught driving one and I consider myself more humble than a good amount of people. Plus I enjoy being in my air conditioned bubble.
Can you learn basic Motorcycle riding skills on a 50cc, before you get to the big bikes?How well does it translate to actual 650cc motorcycles?
>>25613645>he doesn't want to be sitting on 90kph on the highway getting blown around like a grocery bag? Such insecurities>>25613728Just get the 650cc or a bicycle if you're that shit
>>25613731> if you're that shitStfu faggot, I literally can´t get a Motorcycle this year, as all driving schools are already full.And you need to attend them in Germany.But I can get a car license, and it allows me to get a 50cc.
>>25613728>50ccSmallest I have ridden is 125. With both of those you CAN learn good habits but you will learn bad ones.You can lean, counter steer, do emergency brake practice, etc.However on bikes like that you will be doing 100% throttle going around corners and you might not need to brake. So yeah it's fine.>>25612757I have a 125, 250, and 500cc bike.The 125 has a top speed of 50mph and it is marginal on roads where traffic is going 55+.The 250 can do 85mph but I cruise at 65 and it still sucks on the freeway.Only the 500 feels alright on the freeway since I can burst up to 95+mph but due to gearing issues I cruise at 70.All those bikes are carbed and aircooled, so a modern 300cc bike can probably cruise at 70 alright.
>>25613740You asked the question and I gave you the answer, kraut. If you want to fuck around on a 50cc then go for it or maybe move to a less faggot tier country
>>25613776>maybe move to a less faggot tier countryI most likely will. Germany´s a fucking Shithole.
Difference in MPGees between a 250cc and a 50cc bike I minor compared to the speed differential
>>25612757Bike in the OP actually looks neat. What is it?
>>25613728No not really; you never get up to actual traffic speeds and once you get starting/stopping, shifting gears, and general traffic sense down, you quickly out grow the woefully underpowered bikes at which point, you're basically a bicyclists on the streets.
>>25612950>The average vehicle does 60 in under 6 seconds.On what planet?
>>25612757What make/model of motorcycle is that?
>>25613183fifty shifty is shit desuWhat mopeds you got and what city?
>>25613920>>25614269Clearly visible in the picture. It's also literally the highest selling and most common bike of all time
>>25613022>The best selling vehicle in the worldamericans really do think they're the only country in the world huh?
>>25612825>live in MI>liability only for my shitbike is $10/mo>that is high for the US
>>25613909Supercub does 55, gets 110 mpgCRF 250 L does 75, gets 55 mpgIf you don't need to do highway speeds, the supercub crushes it in the MPG category.
>>25614595TX here, the very basic liability only minimum necessary to be legal is like $78 a year. Full coverage even if I wreck it is like $140.
>>25614604The problem today for the Supercub is that if you don't need to go highway speeds an e-bike can do basically everything it can for a lower price, with the added benefit of being able to use bike paths which can provide more direct routes, with an efficiency equivalent of around 1000 mpge.
>>25614619What e-bikes? Anything I look at with a similar amount of front/rear suspension travel and doesn't require license plate is closer to 10k than not. If they are pedal assisted, those things top out around 25 mph.
>>25614619I am not taking an e-bike that weigh's sub 200lbs on a 55mph road on the bike lane.Also, your e-bike will probably cost the same to buy if not more for worse quality parts.
>>25614630I'm talking about pedal e-bikes anon, not electric motorcycles. They may top out under 25mph without being unlocked, but they're still going to be able to handle 90%+ of the in-town trips where you'd use a Supercub, and for about $1500 for a halfway decent one.Plus the speed advantage of the Supercub can be partially or entirely negated by being able to use bike paths.
>>25614641Except you wouldn't take the 55mph ring road that goes around, you'd take the bike path that goes straight through.The inability of the Supercub to go 65+ essentially makes it an around town bike, and in that context the difference between 25 and 55 isn't that big especially with all the bike infrastructure being built.
>>25613043I hope she was a virgin when you met her.>>25613763Nice bike
>>25612816>>600cc+>suicideIs this how yuropoors cope?
>>25614666Truthful amazing digits
>>25614650No no I know what you're talking about. For me to consider using detroit metro roads, it needs rear suspension - basically all e-assist bikes in this category are extremely expensive.Also, I think we are thinking of different locals. Near the outskirts of the metro area, county roads are plentiful and the supercub really shines there. I wouldn't be super happy on a pedal assist bike getting passed by tractor trailers and being range limited to like 50 miles when my round trip is like75.If I had an apartment in a downtown area, I would totally go for a pedal e-bike with no features. But I feel like that occludes most people and that point I would rather just get a hand-me-down pedal bike I don't mind getting stolen.
I had a 50cc and it honestly felt too slow. Had to go full throttle or get ran over. Most Americans think a fucking 883cc Harley is too slow, we're just spoiled for power.
>>25613728Yes they will give you a sense of braking and turning and riding in traffic that will help when you move to a motorcycle.
>>25614664But you see I have a fairly direct route. In my area we have bike trails, but they generally run next to the road, river, or through neighborhoods. All the locations I would take a supercub an e-bike is functional, but would take around twice as long to get there or more.If I didn't have a motorcycle license I could understand getting an e-bike.>>25614682I agree. Realistically I could just take my bicycle everywhere but I enjoy engines so much that motorcycles are superior for me.
>>25614690Harleys are slow because if you go over 65 the thing will wobble and dump you on the road, their engine size is irrelevant.
>>25612762depends on wherein the usa, many states only require a drivers license for sub-150cc scooters/bikes
>>25612988A V6 Camry's 0-60 time is in the mid fives.
>>25614682See now you're not talking about around town use and want highway speeds.In Iowa where I live the Supercub can't use main roads because its not fast enough to keep up with traffic, and it can't use bike paths because it has a gas motor and goes too fast.Of course Iowa for how rural it is has a really strong bike culture, and more bike infrastructure than most places so I'm probably showing my regional bias.
>>25612757US is bigbike is smallwhy is this such a hard concept for brainlets to understand?
>>25614738Most crossovers, economy cars and truck are slower than a V6 Camry
>>25612757>Why are low cc bikes so rare in the US?Two main reasons: (1) their small wheels are unable to safely meet the posted speed limit of 25/35/40/45 mph on bumpy city roads or places where there are loose pebbles. (2) theft since the bold joggers come up to you and take it.At 50cc, my state allows you to ride a scooter (not motorcycle) using a car driver license. Above 50cc, you must have a motorcycle license. So there are almost no scooters above 50cc because riders will get a 250cc or larger motorcycle instead.
>>25612816>150cc 4 stroke>niceEven the 125cc Kymco 2022 scooters are 4-strokers. At $2249, the 125cc is affordable.https://kymcousa.com/2022-scooters/
>>25612757>If you live in a city you can easily make a 50-200 cc bike your daily commuter.
Is a frontal disc brake really necessary for 110-150cc bikes?
>>25615022no. my 125 here>>25613763stops rather well with my front and rear drums. Mainly because I can't go over 50mph so I never need to stop that hard anyways.Also bikes at 150cc or below weight half the weight of a 500lb+ motorcycle so that helps.Just do emergency braking practice if you are worried. Also do your research because some drum or disc brakes are better then others.
>>25615022Goodnworking drums are probably fine, honestly. The problem usually comes from the fact that if a bike has drum brakes its probably an old bike and the brakes aren't in good condition.
>>25612757Every dealer in my area is loaded with low cc bikes. It's really annoying to go to the showroom and see a bunch of 125cc shitbikes. They are just pointless. You can commute around a city on an sv650 no problem, except you can also go on the highway or anywhere in between. Low cc bikes are solely for drunk drivers who got their license revoked and bugmen.
>>25612757This is america, not europe, scooterfag. They aren't fast enough, and don't have big enough gas tanks to get you where you need to go, because everything is spaced so far out from each other.
>>25613630Those better not be in burgerbucks
my fuckin power washer has a bigger engine than that lmfao fucking fags
>>25612757Yuro here, sub 200cc bikes are only for in-city transport, catch the highway and you'll see
>>25615022>Is a frontal disc brake really necessary for 110-150cc bikes?It's a convenience with 125cc and smaller. At 150cc, they are close to 300 pounds, so hydraulic front disc with ABS is better for you. Drums will give you a chinese drum brake gradual stop.
>>25612757even if you live in the city you probably have to get on the highway at some point. also those are exceptionally easy for canadians to steal
>>25615128>also those are exceptionally easy for canadians to stealJust heave it on the back of a truck and put a tarp over it. Or pull it inside a van. They can take their time removing the locks later. Weld a bead over the stamped VIN on the frame/forks/head and engine and grinder it smooth.
>>25612757>If you live in a city you can easily make a 50-200 cc bike your daily commuter.Go right the fuck ahead. Posties are popular pit bikes for RV owners but they're underpowered. If you're so sure it's a great idea have at it. The minimum I'd commute on is a 250 (my MT 250 took me all over north Jersey and dualsports are ideal for shitty roads) but if you can afford a bike you can afford a bit more displacement to get a ~400 which has been an ideal commuter beast since the CB 350/RD 400 era.>>25612816>600cc+>suicideThe throttle goes both ways and morons deserve to be meat crayons.>>25614604>If you don't need to do highway speeds, the supercub crushes it in the MPG category.So does walking.
A 200cc bike will struggle to move around your average 300lb American
>>25612757>If you live in a city you can easily make a 50-200 cc bike your daily commuter.Why do people automatically think living in a city = never going faster than 50 mph? I do 65+ mph on the surface streets of Los Angeles regularly.
>>25612796>so you still might have a 30 mile commute within a single cityThis. I've been shocked watching bike reviews lately and seeing that a commute in other countries entails 5-10 minutes of low speed riding on surface streets. For most Americans, even people who live relatively close to city centers, commuting pretty much requires highway riding at 70+ mph and you have to be able to get up to that speed decently fast.
>>25615202>I do 65+ mph on the surface streets of Los Angeles regularly.I live in LA as well, and I generally don't go that fast on surface streets (not a whole lot of opportunities to do it in my part of town anyway, the few roads that don't have a ton of traffic and stoplights every 1/4mi are infested with cops) but getting on the freeway is pretty much mandatory for getting anywhere more than a couple of miles away if you don't want it to take an hour.
I've been riding the above for short trips in nice weather more, because of nice weather, but also because the bottom two both get 11mpg city.In the late 70s mopeds became popular in the US after manufacturers lobbied the US gov't to allow them. In many states, 50cc bikes were allowed with only a regular driver's license, if that. There were few rules. You could basically treat it as a bicycle. Jimmy Carter even recommended people buy the 2 stroke screaming smog producing menaces. Eventually they fell out of favor because they were not allowed to have manual transmissions, and consequently they were abysmally slow off the line and on hills. The centrifugal clutches are terrible for slow starts, and if they're tuned to start quick, won't reach high top speeds.The few people still using 70s mopeds today have usually gone for 70cc cylinder mods, usually adding top-end power for top speeds in the 40-55mph range which is good enough to keep up with non-highway traffic. They can be geared to go faster but the weak forks and frames are dubious at those speeds. However on old 1970s tech, single speed two stroke bikes that once got 150-200mph at 20mph, upping displacement and RPM and running at redline all the time can drop the MPG to 50. A decent moped these days goes for $500-1000, and further tuning to make it faster might run you a few hundred to a thousand more. So it's done out of enjoyment of vintage motoring and tuning, and not out of seeking frugality.For more history of the 1970s moped and its place in response to the fuel crisis, see this link:https://www.myronsmopeds.com/2020/11/us-moped-history/For what is a moped (distinct from a scooter) see this link:https://www.myronsmopeds.com/2020/11/whats-a-moped/
In Hawaii, 50cc scooters are plentiful. They are mostly the same cheap Chinese models though. There are a dozen plus shops in Honolulu selling them for about ~$800 each. Pic related is mine. It has a 80cc kit installed on it and can hit 45mph with my fat ass on it.
>>25612757>If you live in a city you can easily make a 50-200 cc bike your daily commuter.europoor detected, a 200cc bike will be lucky if it can get up to 45mph and i live in texas.
>>25612901You realize there are Honda Goldwings have an 1800cc engine and produce around 130 hp, right? That there are Hardly Ablesons over a liter that barely make 60hp. If you weren't a brainlet nobike you would understand there are more variables than displacement.
>>25617806I saw quite a few bigger bikes in Oahu. Would not want to drive on that one highway on a scooter.
>>25612757>Why are low cc bikes so rare in the US?average murican weight around 120kg
If you ride one of those in the USA that means you are poor and/or stupid and forever incel, just buy a lifted F350 King Ranch with rims if you want the poon, if you cant afford gas just work harder for your family and stop being lazy
>>25614672You fucker I can't find one of these that isn't 25k+ on the east coast.
>>25614672>could only afford one Rtfw no second R
>>25612816> access to something that can kill me means I'll kill myselftell us you're trans without telling us you're trans
>>25612757>Why are low cc bikes so rare in the US?Too easy to get mugged.
>>25612757>ccIs that you yuo fuckin dorks use instead of hp?
>>25613763God I love old hondas
>>25614690To be fair, harleys are fucking slow, especially the 883. My fucking clapped out CB550 from '74 is quicker off the line, only losing in top speed due to displacement.
>>2561376355 for the CL125 sounds about right. my bike can do 50-55 without full throttle but then again I got no torque because of how it is geared
>>25612816No liter no peter
>>25618617no its what they use instead of cubic incheseven then your argument is retarded because american manufacturers use metric nomenclature with liters (mustang 5.0) more often than that now anywaysits more accurate to measure an engine that small with 50cc whatever instead of 3.XXXXX ci
>>25619051american car manufacturers basically got strongarmed by the japs into using metrique on everything - engine displacement in L, metric bolts and threads, etc
>>25612757America has some really harsh import tariffs designed to heavily promote Harley Davidson.It's actually cheaper to buy a Harley than a small honda in a lot of cases, even when the honda is half the price everywhere else.
>>25619227This is complete bullshit. HD are overpriced as fuck
>>25619227>>25619365Yeah I think the cheapest new harley you can get starts at like $14k. And the lounge seats for boomers go all the way up to like $50k.
>>25612757They're illegal in some states. Any bike below 150cc is a moped and you're limited on what streets you can ride on. A 200cc you have to be licensed for and by that point you'd be better off buying a 300 or 400 beginner bike.
Speed is a safety feature in the US.I started with a 300cc bike. You Realize this almost instantly when your only option to avoid being hit is to get ahead of, or avoid, blind shitstain SUV drivers. Good luck doing that on something gutless under 600cc. >>LA hates effecient motorcycles
>>25612757That power is ok if you weigh <300lbs, but it's not enough for your average American
>>25613630Why are shitbikes so expensive in the USA?
>>25619547They don't seem so shitty when people are used to Harley Davidsons.
>>25619452if you're on the highway, youd better be prepared to hit 125mph is a split second. Having said that, I see motorcyclist doing really stupid shit all the time like riding the blind spots of SUVs, then getting angry because the driver didn't see them. Also thinking that revving the engine is going to alert anyone ahead of you. Loud pipes don't save lives.
>>25618514That's not scooters being unsafe, that's massively oversized vehicles being operated by people with no business driving them creating a hazard for other safe users of the road.All vehicles over 2000kg should require an expensive high tier license that has more rigorous testing requirements.All vehicles under 1000kg should have less restrictive rules and fewer license requirements.
>>25619452I'm waiting to move out of LA before I get a bike, or at least before I go on the freeway, for this exact reason. I want to start on something that isn't gonna terrify me into bad habits but anything you'd call a "beginner bike" seems pretty sketchy around here. I think you might be able to get by with some of the 400s and 500s out there but you'd have to be really strategic with decision-making.
>>25619640Kek my HS physics teacher thought we should get inertia tickets rather than speeding tickets. Because a schoolbus going 120mph is way more dangerous than a kawasaki going 120
>>25612757Stupid faggot government has unreasonable licensing, insurance, registration, and insurance requirements surrounding even small cc bikes.
>>25616216>myrons mopeds link on 4channel.tvwhat a world
>>25612871age sex location, driving record?
>>25613630Something like that CT125 is a low volume novelty targeted at bugmen in America and price gouged accordingly. There's absolutely no reason to purchase that bike when drz400sm exists.
>$1800 brand new in mexico Are there laws preventing you going to mexico and bringing one over the border?
I'm no expert because i hate traveling, but I think you have to declare what you're "importing" and pay import taxes on shitover a certain dollar value or on specific things. Its like you couldn't buy a mexico specific vehicle like a jimney and drive it over and just register it at the DMV. Its one of those things that seems like such a brilliant idea; go to mexico with a truck, buy 100 of them, and resell them for a $1000 profit. That might be the dollar threshold thing where they don't care about a $2000 scooter, but a $200000 truck of them might raise questions? Google is probably something you should be doing to see if its legal or if you'd be hit with some weird import tax.
>>25612757I ride a Super Cub to work every day. Its great unless a cagie thinks you're an e-bike. I only need to get up to around 40mph, which the cub hits easily.
>>25621921How much do you weigh?
>>25612757under 600cc bikes are made for 3rd world countries like some malaysian beaners or whatever turds live in those jungle countries
>>25612757Yanks are bugmen and the small bikes arn't a show of wealth.
>>25621977I want a cub but i think my fat ass would make it to slow.
>>25621961mostly under 200cc not 600cc because taxes are based on engine displacment, even if it's locally manufactured. This is why in Indonesia, and Philippines it's quite hard to find a good bike 500cc+in Philippines you can not do the highway on a lower cc bike, the KTM 390 or such, gets away if you "resticker it" but they're onto that, supposedly, though used you can get a ninja for 2-3000 USD. Not worth it, though.Indonesia, is more fun but same, road conditions are bad, ironically PH has better roads, but shitter people/cars. once you hit thailand/malyasia,singapore, things get better road/safety wise but people can't drive (ergo asians can't drive meme) since highways are a less than 20 year invention, yeah, really - that's why it all looks "new" and being in a car is better because, they wil fucking clip you. vietnam, indonesia, malyasia, china and japan are 100% okay in motorcycle since 99% of the population is poor that's all they can afford and safety in numbers. T. digital nomad traveller
>>25621987honda calls out 240lbs as the max load limit. The fat ass in the op has definitely compressed the shocks fully. You wouldn't want to ride without any travel in your suspension or you will bottom out on every bump.
>>25621989I didn't even feel safe as a pedestrian in China, let alone on a motorised bicycle.
>>25621989I think in the case with Japan, is that cars are taxed really high. The roads around Tokyo is full of tollways.
>>25612816yeah>150cc 4 stroke
>>25612757>embrace the tmax>legalize lane splitting >profit