Was Mazda’s decision to go for faux luxury a major mistake? No one wants to be caught wearing fake name brands so why would anyone want to be seen driving a faux luxury vehicle?
Looks awesome. Wish Mazda existed here, would be an easy buy for me.
>>24598337>faux luxuryI'm getting old, is this the newest meme?
>>24598345It’s how the keep the lower class poor. Get them to spend all their money on high margin “luxury” goods.
>>24598337>faux luxuryAlright post your idea of luxuryThis is the most tasteful modern design I've seen in a while
>>24598337Mazda has been trying to dip into that market since the 90s and almost spawned its own luxury brand called Amati.They had something called the 1000 in the works based off of a 929 but it had a V12 made from two KLZEs joined at the crank in a single block.
>>24598337I don't know if it was a mistake, they had to do something. Sales were down and stagnating, so people clearly didn't want to buy what they were making. They tried something new, and it hasn't worked, but they had to try something.
Most people don't care about brands they just want a big shiny SUV/crossover.Also its gotta be brand new
>>24598421Correct. This is why the cx5, palisade, telluride(same car lol) and atlas sell like hot cakes, Mazda also moving into the "premium" segment is only a good play if the products hold up. If they started bringing vented seats into the lower models it'd be a strong proposition>>24598421
>>24598337Not at all. You're calling it "faux luxury" because their interior design is so fucking good you'd think it belonged to a 6 figure car if it just had autistic details and patterns all over the materials like in a Lexus, but instead it's in a fully affordable econoclass car. That doesn't make it faux, it just makes Mazda based as fuck.
>>24598337Faux luxury is rebadging your cars and giving it a different brand name as if people wouldn't immediately recognize that its a cheaply made korean shitbox being passed off as something else. It also doesnt help that the designs are ugly as fuck and just look like they're knockoff products.Mazda is instead going the route of making the best economy product they can until their reputation catches up which is how real name brands come to be. It's a pretty good plan considering their market is very niche and they know the kind of customer they are catering to.
>>24598551No you stupid retard, thats because you haven't sat in one in real life, the layout is very nice but once you sit in it and then sit in a real luxury car you'll understand why its called "faux luxury". All regular brands are just getting better interiors these days, thats just the standard today, compare a Yaris interior from 2001 to a Yaris interior from 2021, its not luxury, its just how regular cars are today
Mazda makes nothing but shitboxes only tranine obsessed weabos think otherwise
>>24598841Mazda is one of the few companies left that make interesting affordable cars.
>>24598857Which one, the miata?Lol it is slower than a minivan and utterly useless, might aswell buy a bike and an used corolla. They cancelled the only interesting one, the Fiata
>>24598866Wow, LEDs. Are you a total fucking hoodnigger or what? That interior still looks like shit compared to any mazda.
Mazda has had good looking and well optioned interiors in their base model cars for a while now.OP is coping.
>>24598841At least they aren't shitskin muslim used car salesmen
>>24598868For what it's worth even the regular economy cars like the 3 and 6 have good engines and handling.I'd rather have a 3 than a Civic or Corolla.
>>24598868>I wanted the rebadged 1.4 turbo FiataBuddy just keep driving your 500
>>24598884Seething poor weeb>>24598889I rather not buy a FWD cuckbix>>24598893I wanted one with a Maserati V8, pure SOVL
>>24598856now compare that to this retard
>>24598901Quit raging about Mazda's that have better interiors than your $50k Niggermobile and do the needful
>>24598912>>24598927Ok? I am not talking about old vs new, I am saying current Mazda shits on every other econobrand when it comes to interior design. Their exterior designs are great for that matter too.
>>24598942>Mazda shits on every other econobrand when it comes to interior designdoesnt seem radically different to Honda or Hyundaiwhat specifically sets them apart?
>>24598955new hondas are great
>faux luxuryYou will drive ze gay iPad and you will be happy.
>>24598337>why would anyone want to be seen driving a faux luxury vehicle?idk but people are still buying german cars for some reason
>>24598955You tell me, you're the one who felt the need to make a thread about them being fake somehow.
>>24598969>ze gay iPad Never go full TURK
>>24598983I didn't make this thread Sounds like you don't know tho
>>24598836>rEal lUxUrYName one. Even RR with its better ride and materials looks like some niggerrific ameribarge dumptruck on the the inside. Its like subtlety in cars doesn't exists anymore.
>>24598984I can tell this is just fad. The next shag carpeting.
>>24598337Probably Has something to with Mazda being the dullest car manufacturer in the history of car manufacterers. Seriously each model following the Kodo design language has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the canine imagery the Brands’ only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of engine design, all to make cars unmagical, to make action seem inert.Perhaps the die was cast when Mazda vetoed the idea of Jens Marquardt directing the engineering department; they made sure the brand would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody, just minorly profitable FWD economy cars for d women . The Mazda brand might be feminine (or not), but it’s certainly the anti-BMW brand in its refusal of passion, beauty and excitement. No one wants to face that fact. Now, thankfully, they no longer have to.>a-at least the Miata is good though"No!"The suspension is dreadful; the engine was terrible. As I drive, I noticed that every time I went to the track, the car had comical body roll, no chassis stiffness, and wasn’t even comfortable. I began marking on the back of an envelope every time the phrase, ‘Mazda is upmarket’ ‘Mazda is sporty’ and ‘Skyactive X!’ Was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Mazda owners mind‘s are so governed by marketing buzzwords and long dead brand history that they have no sense of what Mazda is. Later I read a lavish, loving review of MX5 by the same Doug deMuro. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kids are Loving Mazda 3 on Reddit then when they get to YouTube they will go on to watch Doug Demuro." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you drive Mazda you are, in fact, trained to watch Doug Demuro.
>>24598984>your brothel, sir
>>24598986Well first off that's not even a real Honda interior, but the concept is definitely an improvement over what they currently look like, it actually looks like they're taking cues from Mazda in going towards simplicity instead of "MORE LIGHTS MORE BUTTONS BIGGER INFOTAINMENT" like a lot of others have. Other than that the colors are drab and boring, and the whole center console area looks kinda cheap. The Hyundai looks nice at first glance but there is a noticeable amount of plastic and it just doesn't look as comfy and easy on the eyes as a Mazda does, the center console is also not as elegantly designed.
>>24599049>the anti-BMW brand in its refusal of passion, beauty and excitement.
>>24599072This is unironicaly the average mazda 3 in Quebec.t. quebecer
>>24598337Yes. There's a reason why Acura exists here. People won't pay $50k for a luxury trim Honda but slap a Acura badge on it and they will. Luxury trim pickups fly off the shelves but that's different.
>>24599073>posts nice professionally shot and edited photohahahaha mazdas are shite mate, the only Japanese car with regular reports of engine failures here
>>24599111Yeah you got blown the fuck out and now you're just going to keep moving goalposts all day, I'm done here.
>comparing Furd era Mazda with current Mazda.
>>24599127what the fuck are you talking about I only saw this thread anyway Mazda is terrible, always have been, the worst Japanese car
>>24598841>BMW poster reverse image search reveals a Romanian forum post about the e46 interior breaking bazat, truly the superior brand
>>24598969>>24598984In all honesty, that really looks like it's aimed at Chinese market; it's kitsch>>24599049This is pasta, or, at least, modified pasta, but still, go fuck yourself with a cactus
There's nothing luxurious about Mazdas, they literally make normie cars just like Honda and the like. Sit in one and you can feel how cheap it is
>>24598371Hasn’t worked. KEK!Mazda is the only brand with solid sales growth over the past two years and they’re about BTFO all of the competition for this year. You’re wrong.
>>24599039where the fuck is this image supposed to take place? the ocean?
>>24599039I hate that I like the Defender interior.I just don't like >muh wood >muh leather dash
I just bought a brand new Mazda this year in part because the interior is a step up from anything else at that price point. I don't think they're trying to steal sales from BMW, Mercedes, etc. So no, I don't think it was the wrong move. They just need to do it without sacrificing the culture of "zoom zoom" and make sure their cars all have driving dynamics a step above Toyota, Honda, Kia, etc.
>>24599421Well fuck you Danny. You always do this shit. One day you’re going to wake up and realize you aren’t as great as you think you are. Just because I fucked your sister doesn’t mean you need to come on this board and start shit with me ok? Look, I bought her three egg McMuffins and I even called her the next day so she doesn’t have anything to complain about except having to wash the sheets on her bed but that’s not my fault is it Danny? Maybe if she didn’t have such shit taste in music I would have stuck around but a man can only listen to chumbawumba on repeat for so many hours in a row before he ducks out the bathroom window and shimmies down the drain pipe.
>>24600037People don’t give a shit about driving dynamics. Subaru printing money with a fleet of CVT transmissions. Cars are now consumables.
>>24598969I think I'm the only person on /o/ that likes this. it looks properly futuristic.
>>24598337I'll just be happy when cars stop using that horrible textured plastic shit.
>>24599049The way I see Mazda is it's just Toyota with slightly more horsepower. They just about have a car that's comparable to every car in Toyota's lineup, only they all have 20 more HP and 2 less mpg. I can't speak for the designs, I don't really give a shit about what cars look like. Only how they perform, and I've noticed that about their performance. People who look at specs and want power but not so much that it breaks the bank, might be interested in a Mazda.
>>24600175The only reason Basedbaru is printing money is because they're the only manufacturer making proper sport wagons. Nobody but boomer moms want a "crossover." Subaru is putting put proper wagons with AWD and good ground clearance, rather than these ugly high roofed, low to the ground cuckovers. I was 100% certain I wanted a Subaru, until I drove one. They have way less horsepower than competing brands and somehow still get less MPG. Good concepts and designs, horrible internal engineering.If other brands just put out proper rugged AWD sportwagons they'd crush Subaru, everybody that drives one has the same complaint: they're fucking slow. Can't speak for the cars, but their current lineup of "SUVs" are a joke in terms of engine power.
>>24598337Mazda has never claimed to be luxury. They just make nicer normie cars than most of the competition. They're aiming more for the VW tier than actual luxury.
>>24598879Have you seen the new merc? lol
>>24598337What people think is "moving up" is just the natural improvement of the automobile. Everyone is "moving upmarket" because more features are becoming standard. I saw a fucking Malibu at my local mechanics shop a couple days ago with cooled seats.
>>24599012>sent from my iPhone 6
>>24599049Based, weeabos seething
>>24598914Mazdas have dogshit interiors>>24599091Seething poor>>24599136What are tou talking about schizoid
>>24598337>faux luxurythat's dumb>fake name brandscheaper "nice" stuff has long been a thing e.g MK, Polo, CK, Kenneth Cole>>24598352No. >>24598421yup
>>24600571>Bromanian that lives with his mom and has a broken e46 calling me poor
>>24599504>show on the model car where the WRX gapped you
>>24599476Keep thinking that.
>>24598337What's the difference between this and an Audi that would cost ten grand more
>New Mazda cars are bad because look at this car they made 20 years ago
>>24602173Because it’s about what the Audi delivers as a package that makes them worth what they charge. Mazda can create an Audi level interior when it comes to looks but does it feel the same? The fitment, the materials, the solidness, the sound deadening are all so much better in a higher end German car.
>>24602239>>24602239>The fitment, the materials, the solidness, the sound deadening are all so much better in a higher end German car.The difference is barely noticeable.
>>24602278I notice a major difference. When my father would borrow my bmw he would crack a window because he wasn’t used to such a quiet car and it actually bothered him.
>>24602286he would what
>>24602173>Better interior materials>Clean UI that doesn't look like a PS3 menu>Sound insulation everywhere>Soft suspension that soaks up bumps but doesn't rattle the cabin even on S-line with big nigger rims>Better quality reversing camera>Wont leave you fatigued after a long journey>Better sound system>Little details like dampened door handles and indicators>Solid thud when you shut the doorsReally you have to test drive a top spec Mazda then a top spec Audi to understand, saying your paying 10k more for just the badge is just cope
As with the rest of the car, interiors peaked in the 80’s.
>>24598358Word. Was at a wedding over the weekend and I definitely make 4-5x my wife's friend. Saw her leaving with a new Alfa Romeo stelvio meanwhile we drive a 2011 civic.
>>24598352>>24602475Quoted wrong post.
>>24600287What did you expect an S Class of the 2020s to look like?
All that's happening is Mazda is paying for their choices decades ago. People view Mazda as inferior as a brand to Toyota and Honda because they made cheap rusty cars back in the day. Most normies even millennials will not even get in a Mazda 3 on brand alone it is actually insane. It is like passed down knowledge that Mazda is a crap brand for some reason.
>>24598337>Hurr y mazdurr use fake leather?>Mazda offers natural leather on literally every single vehicle they makeWhy do you think it's a bad thing that poorfags are offered alternatives? Just like richfags are finally starting to be offered the choice between natural leather and wool.
>>24598362It was three destroked F engines attached at the crank.
>>24600601I am not an eurocuck
My Mazda 6 grab tourismo edition was actually comfy as fuck Much better value compared to other brands unless you just like to brag about muh Mercedes
>>24598337That screen is just dogshit. Doesn't matter if it's 9 inches it's too fucking wide and has no surface area.
>>24602348>>24602351Having the lights on the indicator stalk is miles superior than the German meme where you have to reach far forward.
>>24602814>He doesn't know you dont have to touch any button or dial on the Audi as the headlights come on automatically in the darkAnyway my point wasn't the lights but how shitty the stalk looks because apparently some on /o/ think Mazda is now on the same level as German luxury cars except cheaper on price>>24602173
>>24600037>make sure their cars all have driving dynamics a step above Honda,That would be an achievement.
>>24602299>Complaining about the infotainment UI plus a bunch of made-up bullshitZoomers shouldn't be allowed near cars.
>>24600415VW interiors are plastic turds. I swear the only way VAG can sell Audis is that they make the interiors of their cheaper brands shittier.>>24602173>muh tarted up VW
>>24602299>>24602351>VW with some cowhide
>>24602902What does the Audi stalk look like tho? Pretty hard to make look premium without ditching plastic
>>24603410I'll rephrase what I said, the Mazda stalk isn't shitty but it would be shitty if Mazda sold it as a luxury car (again, what some on /o/ now think), i'm just pointing out its not on the same level of luxury as an Audi. The stalk is completely fine for a Mazda.Anyway, here is the Audi stal, they also have a dampened feel
>>24603410Oh and I'm not just memeing about muh German car superiority, Lexus has good stalks too, my point is Mazda isn't suddenly a luxury car just because they got a new interior designs
>>24603507Nah the stalk looked like shit and the Audi's is slightly better
>>24598841You are like little baby, watch this.
>>24598841That E46 looks really familiar, I think I may have worked on it back when I was at a BMW shop. Looks like BMW of Monrovia dealer tags on the 2-series which would mean it's in the right area too.
>>24603507>its like any other stalk>BUT WITH ANGLES>VAGFACE
>>24598337>Mazda>LuxuryNo one inside of /o/ refers to Mazda as a luxury car, they have somewhat minimalist interiors and look nice in a rendering but in person its all the same cheap plastic and fake leather as everyone else and since it's Mazda the paint is probobly chipping already. There are lots of other Luxury brands out there that actually put some effort into their designs and materials.
>>24602902Of course I know about automatic headlights every car has them, more useless crap that never works properly just like automatic windscreen wipers. You can always tell the retards who rely on this crap when they have their headlights off in the rain, snow, dawn, dusk or the first few seconds after entering a tunnel.
>>24598362929 long 929 strong
>>24603800>There are lots of other Luxury brands out there that actually put some effort into their designs and materials.Lincoln isn't one of them.
>>24603519Ford has an 80% stake in Mazda, kek.
>>24604731>Ford had a 33.3% stake in Mazda that they sold off over a decade agoFTFY.
>>24600608the only gaps a WRX produces are on its headgaskets
>>24598337A Mazda ain’t a Mazda unless it’s got the dorito engine. Only the Miata gets an exemption.
>>24598901>u-ur just poorThe last refuge of a nigger who realised he spent too much money
>>24602574They spent around 15 years in the early 00s into the 2010s competing with Nissan to be the cheapest ghetto trapwagons possible. For a long time the only people you’d see in a Mazda was the same sort of person you’d see in an Altima or a decommissioned CVPI.
>>24603800>all that glossy shit>le tabletrinos
>NOOOOO YOU HAVE TO WORSHIP THIS FWD ECONOKEK SHITBOX BECAUSE IT IS A MAZDUH>MAZDUH IS SPECIAL! WHY? WELL BECAUSE... UHHH... >YOU ARE JUST A BMW LOVING TURNNothing more pathetic than mazda fangirls
>>24598955>let me just get every possible ounce of glare onto the infotainment system.
>>24605530Its a hud
>>24605540>HUDs are impervious to glare
I think this might be the lowest iq board on the websiteBottom 5 at the very least
>>24598337>real luxuryyou mean name brand ?because people will pay more for a reputation than for quality
luxury just means more tech devices thrown into the cockpit
>>24599049Based. Mazda is the premier NPC car for ®eddit fags who are dumb enough to miss Mazdas are just the same bland anemic econoboxes in a slightly sleeker wrapper.
>>24598337Gtfo I'm buying a Mazda CX-9 Signature. Has all the features I will ever need with great driving characteristics and a gorgeous interior. It will be replacing my Acura and I'll never look back. I feel stupid for ever having paid extra for Acura or Lexus when I see this.Honestly, these luxury brands either are grossly overdone like the new Mercedes interiors or a snooze to drive like Acura and Lexus. Only true luxury cars nowadays cost +$75k above.
>>24605803Is that what you say while you ride around in your 2002 Civic with a missing exhaust, floppy headliner and split threadbare seats spitting chunks of foam cushioning? >"At lEaSt I'm noT paYinG foR a bRaNd naMe"KYS poorfag. Mazdas are shit too, real brands actually give you something for that extra cost, whether it's Volvo and Mercedes for the decades of dependable running and refinement, Porsche and Audi for the raw performance and technical advances, you're a moron if you think nicer brand cars are ride and perform just like your typical $800 Craigslist Civic but with higher MSRP
>>24605887Lol you probably really believe that old Japanese craftsman guy hand stitched the leather onto your steering wheel and carefully planed and sanded the pieces of wood trim they put into the dash like the commercial implied, kek. Mazdas are still shit cars with slightly nicer interiors vs. Nissan, Honda or Toyota. That's literally the only thing they can crow about as otherwise it's all limpdick 4 cylinder/FWD rental car tier sedans and crossovers for cucks and Karens from Mazda. They could have pushed Lexus, Infiniti, and Acura's shit in had they released the Amati sedan and cornered the Japanese luxury market but no. By the time they come out with these new inline-6/RWD models it will be too late.
They're already making tooling for the entire dash and all the parts, so there's no reason they have to go with a certain look over another. Also depends on whether or not they're using soft-touch materials.The main thing that separates "luxury" brands from other automakers is being able to pick whatever fucking colors you wanted for both the exterior and interior, and where the material quality for the seats start on the base trim. Most have stopped bothering with the options or just let the dealerships order a bunch of white and black. Then there's the extent of sound dampening and ride quality, but nobody is Suzuki-tier in the US.>These faggots arguing over blinker stalksThe blinker stalk in a Porsche I've driven feels like chunky shit. Feels and sounds like it's going to break anytime I'm about to make a turn. Don't really give a shit what something functional like that looks like but it seems like all the germans have trouble with how it feels to use.
>>24605861Lol, yeah just forget about>leather>Actual wood/alloy metal trim>Minimal NVH>Comfort>Superior ergonomics/aesthetics>StyleIf packing more tech in a car was all it took some Anon would make a fortune selling old Tahoe shells filled with a go kart motor and 8 touchscreen tablets linked to a Raspberry Pi CPU screwed inside the glovebox>>24605887>>24605887
>>24598337Bought a 2016 Mazda 6Put 101k miles on itWindow motors broken all windowsAccelerator stuck and it lurches forward every few minutesEngine idles too low and whole car shakesTransmission shifts gears slowly and it clunks
>>24606245What kind of driving? Were you taking it to the track?
>>24605374The glossy shit is around the vents where you don't touch and the steering wheel which has haptic feedback touch controls.The center console isn't actually glossy on most trims, its a brushed metal finish that resists fingerprints.
>>24604610Those MKZ interiors arnt bad at all, it looks a bit like a Fusion but the materials are much better, especially the Black Label models with suede and real leather. That's the previous generation, the current SUV-only lineup is nice too, especially with the multi-contour seats.
>>24606252Pft, daily driving to work, nothing fancy whatsoever it was my wife's car, oil changes and everything.The car worked flawlessly, not a single issue until around 89k and then every single thing started breaking. Ac went out, alternator, window wiper motor
>>24606406was it used or new?
>>24606412New, is this kind of thing common? Like I said flawless until it wasn'tI sold it
>>24606252Mazdas aren't known for reliablity in Europehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTcaB6PCaq0
>>24605890>Volvo and Mercedes>decades of dependable running and refinementWhat is this, 1981?
>>24606439>Mazda>dieselThe only good diesels Mazda had were Isuzu ones.
>>24600175Subaru sales are diving off a cliff. People actually do care about things like looks and a nice interior and not so much about awd and flat engines that are guaranteed to explode.
>>24602296He would break it, with his fist.
>>24598969>that gauge cluster tablet bezelwow
I wouldn't even call this faux luxury.
>>24598901You're comparing performance vs econoboxes you dumb nigger. learn to base an argument
>>24599115>oil changes every 10k mileshe fucked deserved it, I get mine no more than 5k
>>24600571BMW have dogshit electronics
>>24607521>Oh wow a beat up example of a good car, they must all be shit too. Tell me more about that dorito motor reliability again, you JDM weeb
>>24607691My sister has an Impreza wagon and save for it being AWD it's a piece of shit with a cheap interior. She put a WRX hood on it anyway even though it's a poorfag trim 1.8 Brighton
>>24598362Mazda not releasing the V12/RWD Amati is a bigger L than their retarded love affair with the rotary motor.
>>24598352>it needs to be kikekraut to be luxurious yeah it’s a mazda but don’t be so dense
>>24602475you're in /o/ and apparently make significant money but you're still driving a 2011 civic fuck off
Name a 90s car with a better interior. Protip: you can't.>>246089253 ROTOR
>>24598337>it's the "it can't be luxury unless it's European" thread #69420fuck off you literal baby boomer
>>24605900The reason Mazda makes tiny 4 bangers is because they refuse to start shitting out electric cuckboxes like everyone else, and there's legal requirements for average fuel economy. The 6 cylinder is coming when they get their SPCCI system fully sorted so it can be efficient enough to sell without cucking out.
>>24598969>>24598984holy shit, this is realyou know something went terribly wrong when so-called faux luxury brand is more elegant that the "real" ""luxury"" brand
>>24598337Luxury (overwhelmingly) isn't about the brand prestige, that's a misunderstanding. The real value is in how nice the materials + design are, how dialled in everything is, etc.Mazda isn't becoming a faux luxury brand, they're just improving from shit interiors to liveable interiors.