https://apnews.com/article/europe-russia-media-ukraine-vladimir-putin-f24e6bd400e20d7890daff371cd80eb2WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. intelligence officials have determined a Russian effort is underway to create a pretext for its troops to further invade Ukraine, and Moscow has already prepositioned operatives to conduct “a false-flag operation” in eastern Ukraine, according to the White House.White House press secretary Jen Psaki said on Friday the intelligence findings show Russia is also laying the groundwork through a social media disinformation campaign that frames Ukraine as an aggressor that has been preparing an imminent attack against Russian-backed forces in eastern Ukraine.Psaki charged that Russia has already dispatched operatives trained in urban warfare who could use explosives to carry out acts of sabotage against Russia’s own proxy forces — blaming the acts on Ukraine — if Russian President Vladimir Putin decides he wants to move forward with an invasion.“We are concerned that the Russian government is preparing for an invasion in Ukraine that may result in widespread human rights violations and war crimes should diplomacy fail to meet their objectives,” Psaki said.Pentagon spokesman John Kirby described the intelligence as “very credible.” A U.S. official, who was not authorized to comment on the intelligence and spoke on condition of anonymity, said much of it was gleaned from intercepted communications and observations of the movements of people.The U.S. intelligence findings, which were declassified and shared with U.S. allies before being made public, estimate that a military invasion could begin between mid-January and mid-February.Ukraine is also monitoring the potential use of disinformation by Russia. Separately, Ukrainian media on Friday reported that authorities believed Russian special services were planning a possible false flag incident to provoke additional conflict.
The new U.S. intelligence was unveiled after a series of talks between Russia and the U.S. and its Western allies this week in Europe aimed at heading off the escalating crisis made little progress.White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan on Thursday said the U.S. intelligence community has not made an assessment that the Russians, who have massed some 100,000 troops on Ukraine’s border, have definitively decided to take a military course of action.But Sullivan said Russia is laying the groundwork to invade under false pretenses should Putin decide to go that route. He said the Russians have been planning “sabotage activities and information operations” that accuse Ukraine of prepping for its own imminent attack against Russian forces in eastern Ukraine.He said this is similar to what the Kremlin did in the lead-up to Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea, the Black Sea peninsula that had been under Ukraine’s jurisdiction since 1954.The Crimea crisis came at moment when Ukraine was looking to strengthen ties with the West. Russia had stepped up propaganda that Ukraine’s ethnic Russians were being oppressed in eastern Ukraine.Russia has long been accused of using disinformation as a tactic against adversaries in conjunction with military operations and cyberattacks. In 2014, Russian state media tried to discredit pro-Western protests in Kyiv as “fomented by the U.S. in cooperation with fascist Ukrainian nationalists” and promoted narratives about Crimea’s historical ties to Moscow, according to a report by Stanford University’s Internet Observatory.Efforts to directly influence Ukrainians appear to have continued during the ongoing conflict in eastern Ukraine, in which at least 14,000 people have died. The Associated Press reported in 2017 that Ukrainian forces in the east were constantly receiving text messages warning that they would be killed and their children would be made orphans.
Nina Jankowicz, a global fellow at the Washington-based Wilson Center, said Russia’s disinformation efforts have evolved between the lead-up to its annexation of Crimea and now. This time, the Kremlin appears to be driving anti-Ukraine narratives with top officials making bellicose public statements, said Jankowicz, author of “How To Lose the Information War: Russia, Fake News, and the Future of Conflict.”“The officials are setting the tone for the state media and they’re just running with it,” she said.So-called “troll farms” that post fake comments are less influential in part because social media companies have gotten better at stopping them, she said. Russian efforts on social media often play on existing doubts in Ukrainian society about whether the U.S. will support Ukraine in a conflict and whether the West can be trusted, she said.The U.S. intelligence community has taken note of a buildup on social media by Russian influencers justifying intervention by emphasizing deteriorating human rights in Ukraine, suggesting an increased militancy of Ukrainian leaders and blaming the West for escalating tensions.“We saw this playbook in 2014,” Sullivan told reporters on Thursday. “They are preparing this playbook again.”The Russians, while maintaining they don’t plan to invade Ukraine, are demanding that the U.S. and NATO provide written guarantees that the alliance will not expand eastward. The U.S. has called such demands nonstarters but said that it’s willing to negotiate with Moscow about possible future deployments of offensive missiles in Ukraine and putting limits on U.S. and NATO military exercises in Eastern Europe.
Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov warned on Friday that Moscow wouldn’t wait indefinitely for the Western response, saying he expects the U.S. and NATO to provide a written answer next week.Lavrov described Moscow’s demands for binding guarantees that NATO will not embrace Ukraine or any other former Soviet nations, or station its forces and weapons there, as essential for the progress of diplomatic efforts to defuse soaring tensions over Ukraine.He argued that NATO’s deployments and drills near Russia’s borders pose a security challenge that must be addressed immediately.“We have run out of patience,” Lavrov said at a news conference. “The West has been driven by hubris and has exacerbated tensions in violation of its obligations and common sense.”—-Isachenkov reported from Moscow. AP National Secur
>let's announce our super secret Intel to everyone, because it's totes real and it's super secretDo people actually believe this?It's likely just Democrats using news media as their propaganda mouthpiece again
Sounds like glownigger projection to me.I am 34 and will never fight for this queer nation. Russia plz invade us
>>990208Unfortunately, yes.Americans will believe anything their "free" press will feed them. They're like children, I swear to god.
Ivan is seething
>>990250This, the vatniks are absolutely buttblasted.
>>990250>>990253>vatniksHad to Google that term.Funny, it's the Russian equivalent of precisely what you are.If a vatnik unequivocally believes the Russian media propaganda, then what is the equivalent term for those like you that swallow down American propaganda?I'm going to go with "crapnik". Nah I'll just go with retard.Your a retard with very little self awareness
>>990256>He didn't know what vatnik meantNewfag vatnik confirmed.
>>990256Instead of attacking the source, which you're really bad at, why don't you try disproving the claims they're making?
>>990260You know what a hohol shill is?
>>990275It's something you can use as a distraction to avoid talking about the Russians planning to attack Ukraine.
>>990250Oh go blow up your new world trade center and invade Afghanistan again.
>>990287Chang and Ivan seething now that Biden leaked Putin's false flag attempt.Shame Trump wasn't in office given he is Putin's Puppet to not only keep it quiet but would help Putin stage the attack.
>>990287Don't get mad at America just because Putin thinks he's a Tsar.
>>990256Shut up, poverty stricken Putin-fellater. Be jealous of the US somewhere else.
>>990290No doubt, Putin would have used the blackmail he has on Trump to secure uS cooperation. Good thing he's out of office
Go Implode somewhere else, neo Nazi socialist crapnik
>>990300Why are you angry?
this thread is now taken over by glowniggers
>>990308Probably upset that his threads are being ignored outside of samefagging.
>>990309Toлькo пo cyббoтaм, тoвapищ
>>990287Angry Ivan is Angry.
>>990199Yahoo News has learned about a covert CIA training program for Ukrainian special forces since 2015.The United States has a secret program to train the Ukrainian military, according to the American press. A secret training program for Ukrainian special forces under the auspices of the CIA has been allegedly operating since 2015. What is known about her?TasksAccording to Yahoo News sources, carefully selected Ukrainian fighters are training in camps in the southern United States. The program was started during the administration of Barack Obama, but the subsequent administrations of Donald Trump and Joe Biden, for all their differences, only expanded it. The main emphasis of the training was on intelligence gathering, the sources insist, but graduates of the program could play an important role in organizing guerrilla warfare in occupied territory if Russia decides to launch a full-scale invasion. “Everything that happened to us in Afghanistan, they will eat it up to their throats with these guys,” Yahoo News quoted a former senior American intelligence officer as saying.https://korrespondent.net/ukraine/4437403-tsru-hotovyt-ukraynskyi-spetsnaz-chto-yzvestno
>>990358Got to depend against Putin invading the country. Which he already did.
>>990208americunts are making a false flag
>>990358Oh, mang, I guess mutts could be held responsible for the false flag as well, huh?https://news.yahoo.com/cia-trained-ukrainian-paramilitaries-may-take-central-role-if-russia-invades-185258008.html
>>990208Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that this entire thing was orchestrated by the cia from the get go? I mean as far back as 2013 protests started? Sorry, Victoria "Fuck the EU" Nuland with state department biscuits on the barricades? Ukranian president is a fucking actor by trade? Are you kidding me?
>>990395ok Ivan whatever you say
>>990398This, vatniks continue to be assblasted their false flag got caught in it's infancy.
>>990208It's like this:>enemy has plan that requires secrecy>find out about plan>yell it out loud for all to hear>enemy can no longer use their plan
>>990444how much they paying you?
>>990199how long you think before mutts pull the trigger and set off those charges in donbas?
this is so much fun whats the cia equivalent of russian troll factory you guys been doing such good job in this thread
>>990519"Langley" is the name for the individuals, I guess "Langers" is accurate, since the surname comes from those who literally shovelled the shit of royalty.
>>990498Putin's not going to be happy you're asking about defecting Ivan.
>>990542too little too lateI'm in your midst
>>990199What a load of bullshit. Of course Ukraine is the aggressor. The Ukrainians never made a secret of their ambition to conquer the sovereign countries of Donetsk and Lugansk. They also never made a secret of their close cooperation with the western liberal imperialists, or of their fascist paramilitaries and the western mercenaries fighting for them. There is no "playbook". If Ukraine attacks Donetsk or Lugansk or if Nato tries to take over Ukraine, Russia will fight back. Plain and simple. That has been the official Russian position for 8 years now. Russia has told Ukraine and the US a million times how to deescalate the situation. But they don't want to escalate. They want war and they want to blame it on Russia.
>>990569>sovereign countries of Donetsk and LuganskIt's hilarious that you actually expect people to believe this shit.
>>990574Republicans believe Trump won the 2020 election, I could see his hopes he'd find equally gullible people for that claim.
>>990208I'm not saying that this couldn't be fake, I'm unsure myself, but the fact that there's 100,000 Russian troops on the border certainly gives pause when considering the likelihood of invasion. I guess we'll just have to see what happens.
>>990199Fuck off all caps fakerThere is only room for one alcoholic autie in the here now, and it's the ALL CAPS ALKIE
I'm not up to date on the situation over there, but what does Russia have to gain from invading the Ukraine?They have the Crimea with the harbor in Sevastopol what more would Putin want? Am I missing something or is an invasion just not worth the trouble?
>>990569jees in which troll farm are you sitting mate? Hope they pay you good to post in this shitty place. Or maybe you're one of the dumbufcks who believes whatever daddy putin shits into your mouth.
>>990574I'm fully aware that you, as a liberal, do not and can not respect concepts like national sovereignty and the self-determination of the people because they stand in direct opposition to your insane ambition of global liberal hegemony. You would rather burn those nations to the ground and massacre everyone in them than tolerate the existence of anyone who opposes the totalitarian dictate of your ideology. Guess what: They're not going to allow you to do that. They're happy to accept Russia's assistance in their defense against the liberal menace and Russia is happy to assist, because the people of Russia are also under constant threat by your madness.
>>990690Short recap on the history:In 2014 there was a pro-western coup in Kiev, the capital of Ukraine. A violent mob instigated by the CIA ousted the democratically elected president of Ukraine and replaced him with an American puppet candidate. In reaction to that coup, several regions in the ethnically Russian east of Ukraine, where the ousted president had his main support base with up to 95% of the votes, rejected the authority of the illegitimate coup regime and declared independence from Ukraine. The coup regime immediately started a war against the new nations, called them terrorists, vowed to crush them and all that. The new regime gave fascist paramilitaries like the Azov battalion formal military status, so they could expel or exterminate the Russian minority with impunity. Fascists may not be a big thing for an American, with your proud boys and oath keepers and all those patrolling your streets and lynching black people all day long. But for Russians it's kind of a big thing. Historical reasons. Russia (the country) immediately came to help and the new nations defeated the Ukrainian invasion force, stopped the ethnic cleansing in its tracks. There was a ceasefire agreement that was supposed to end Kiev's war, the Minsk protocol. It failed because the paramilitaries kept ignoring orders from Kiev and kept fighting. A while later another ceasefire was put in place, Minsk II. It lays out the path for a slow re-integration of the separatist nations into Ukraine, with referenda and elections and lots of autonomy and all that. Ukraine signed it, Russia signed it, the Europeans signed it. The problem is that Ukraine has no intention of following the plan. Their position is that any sort of constructive cooperation with the leaders of the separatist nations, any talks at all, would give them recognition they don't deserve, therefore the only viable way to re-unify Ukraine is through raw military power. Back to square one.(1/2)
>>990395>as far back as 2013 protests>as far back as 2013>2013that doesn't even scratch the surface
>>990737Now Russia, as a signatory of the ceasefire plan, is obliged to defend the ceasefire and the peace plan, to defend the separatist nations in case Ukraine tries another invasion. That's the part you usually don't read in the western "Russia wants war" propaganda.Last October Ukrainian attack drones invaded Donetsk airspace and attacked Donetsk military targets with missiles. The Ukrainians claimed they were just fighting back after a Donetsk attack, Donetsk denied that, things escalated, in the end Kiev made a few stupid comments about invading Donetsk soon. A few days later Russia started moving troops to the Ukrainian border. Another few days later the Americans started threatening Russia with unspecified massive consequences and encouraged Ukraine to go invade Donetsk and Lugansk right now. Complete shitshow.A few months have passed since. The current situation is that the Russians have called the American bluff, Biden had to admit that his military threats were empty and that there's nothing he can do to actually support the Ukrainian aggression. He has now returned to threats of unspecified economic sanctions and to promises of arms deliveries to Kiev. Russia could withdraw some troops from the border, but the Ukrainian threat is not gone entirely, some elements in the Ukrainian regime are still demanding an immediate attack against the separatist nations.What you see in the OP is just dumb western propaganda circlejerking without substance. They're 150% certain of a Russian invasion next Tuesday, an invasion that's probably never going to happen at all because the Americanist voices in Kiev are rapidly losing respect and their war drumming with them. Their promise of NATO support in a war against Russia has no substance and everyone knows it by now. The only NATO countries who want that war are the US and the UK, but they don't have remotely enough military power in the region to make any difference in a war between Ukraine and Russia.(2/2)
its a pity nobody believes a word coming out of the Bidenites, isn't it? Oh, and fuck Ukraine.
>>990738>>990745The Russian shill is really triggered about this thread.
>>990749It's you who is triggered, Brandon
>>990752Nope. Doing fine Ivan.Do you think you can actually win in Ukraine by the way. Odds are you get your Russian ass kicked again.
>>990754>Do you think you can actually win in Ukraine by the way. Odds are you get your Russian ass kicked again.Pretty sure Russia won last time
From what I have read, seen, heard, researched, assessed, and personally interviewed about, the Soviet Union did not win favors from the public under their control. The people I spoke with said living under Soviet rule was not ideal; it was not intolerable, but corruption and favortism manifested too often. They all said they were grateful to move to the United States, not because it is a utopia which has everything figured out, but because there was an effort made towards increasing individual liberty. A Russian woman I met more recently described Russia's politics as if a criminal organization, and she left the first chance she got. I am unsure of the whole picture of daily life in Russia now, but I hope the people are okay. The Russian government, if residual desire is present to rebuild the union, I would encourage them to focus on humanitarian efforts instead of military. Crimea, from what I gather, had a Russian armor division and troops present in Crimea before the vote, which would suggest coercion. To ask for guaranteed legal agreements for removing troops and hardware from former Soviet states would seem to suggest a desire to rebuild. If so, the impression from past and present instances, and from others who have dealt with the Soviet Union and the Chinese Communist Party, the method of governance favored by communism would create an environment which placed undesired restrictions on daily life. A Chinese accounting student told me his choice of career was made for him in China, and he could be arrested for using VPN just so we could speak. To the Russian government, I would encourage them to consider improving life, health, freedom, innovation, humanitarian efforts, and well-being in Russia. Others would be then more willing to work with them in similar goals of improving the human condition. In the end, we are all people trying our best to make the best of life here on Earth. I hope more empathy and connection happens soon for more good things.
>>990737>>990739nice fanfic, yevgeny
>>990737>CIAInto the trash your fan fiction goes Ivan.
>>990199Love how the US thinks it's always right while being the chief aggressor in all of this.
>>991033>Says Russian while they're invading a sovereign country and about to stage a false flag to do a hostile take over.Very Republican.
Sometimes I wish disinformation wasn't such a big thing in the modern world.I'd love to just know what the hell is going on over there, but since everyone has a stake in this, I doubt it's possible to get an unbiased opinion on the whole thing. Real shame.
dear Russiano one in the world with IQ above 70 will fall for the false flag, we all know you're the agressor, you can drop the charade it's frankly embarrassing
Over a half Billion budgeted for propaganda and the American taxpayer gets Ivan and Chang ad-homs.The deep state dept has even been caught attacking Americans over wrong think on Iran.>it was dedicating a significant amount of its output to attacking U.S. critics of President Donald Trump’s Iran policyhttps://theintercept.com/2020/09/22/iran-disinfo-trump-state-department/
>>991075Just like everyone else they outsource the job to a minimum wage sweatshop in Bangladesh and divert the other 90% of the budget to their safe offshore pension accounts in Russia or Qatar. Accounting errors.
>>991036It has always been a big thing. The best thing is to listen to all sides, to try and understand their respective perspectives and goals. Don't have an American liberal journalist explain to you what Russia and China want. That's like asking a leftist what the Republican Party wants. He will get all the basic facts wrong and talk about Hitler a lot. Complete waste of time. Ask Russians or Chinese instead. Not emigrants who have lived in the US and watched US propaganda for 30 years, actual citizens who live in the countries and know what's going on there. It's that simple.But it's not an easy path. You will quickly realize that your national "news" don't even tell you half the story, that everything you "know" is a lie, that everything you're being told is a lie, that people get batshit mad at you for telling them that they're mislead and full of shit. You will also quickly become the target of angry internet hooligan mobs with an average IQ below room temperature. Users like: >>990250>>990253>>990290>>990294>>990296>>990298>>990322>>990398>>990444>>990542>>990702>>990749>>990754>>990952>>990954>>990993Literal human white noise with the intelligence of a head of cabbage.Expect liberal war propaganda platforms like Reddit, Facebook and Twitter to permaban you without explanation because you deviated from the official narrative of the week and therefore must be a Russian secret agent on a secret mission to destroy glorious Murica. Expect to quickly find out how little freedom of speech there actually is in the US. Expect the libertarians to tell you it's fine that way because the freedoms of the megacorps don't have to be your freedoms too.
>>991047nice try, fbi
>>991119You sound assblasted Ivan
>>991649hey hey, cia
>>990690It has a huge reserve of natural gas, which the Russians want. And he people disposed of the puppet government Putin had installed during the Ukrainian revolution, so of course the Russians are willing to start a war to steal the gas.
>>991710There are no huge gas fields in Ukraine. Ukraine depends on gas imports from Russia and other countries. Own production is very small. Why not look at the information at least in Wikipedia before writing nonsense?
>>991119>Ask Russians or Chinese instead.>NOOOOO, DON'T LISTEN TO WESTERN NEWS, LISTEN TO MY AUTHORITARIAN PROPAGANDA!!!!!!Stay seething ruskie
>>991717No Uhttps://www.worldometers.info/gas/ukraine-natural-gas/>97% of reserves left
So what? Fuck Ukraine. We have enough issues over here.
>>991729they have small reserves and difficult production. Their own production is about 18 billion, and they need about 25 billion for a normal life. They buy gas - mainly in Russia, though in reverse through other countries.
>>991734Doesn't mean the Russians couldn't easily dig it up, which they would.Don't play stupid Ivan.
Russia not wanting their Soviet-era client states joining NATO makes sense. NATO going to war to get them into NATO seems like a bad investment. Other than top-level US politicians needing to feed defense contractors, I don't see the point to destabizing the area. Maybe to guarantee a two front war if Russia and China present a unified military threat? Honestly I don't know what differences the West has with Russia that couldn't be solved diplomatically. Russians are not unreasonable.
it time 2 poop. u know wat 2 do
>>991770russians are communists and so by definition hate 1)god 2)america 3)freedom 4)white peopledeath to all communists god is great
>>991770>Russia invading Ukraine makes sense.Retard tier analysis.
>>990199basd fuck nato and your country commie mutt
>>991788>they have stronger conviction and are upholding traditions better than progressive(heretical) psators in muttland>yeah fuck america for selling half of europ to soviets and allowing its self to be infiltrated by KGB ops>you can get prison time for calling people a nigger in muttland and the west>abortion is illegal and they dont give niggers gibs for breeding in ghettosover nice fan fic jeshua
>>991732NOOOOOO WE HAVE TO START OVERSEAS WARS OTHERWISE OUR BUGET GETS CUT
>>992832whoa, this comment positively reeks of incel.
Biden did some 4D chess to prove how all the media is in the pocket of Republicans since they cried about him saying Russia was going to invade Ukraine.
>>993225Not shit the US would put missiles in Ukraine, Russia is about to invade it.
In Russia, we know nothing about the preparations for the invasion. I read about it on your website and tell my loved ones.
>>990264You are on the wrooooooong website my friend
Oh look, we're seeing a spike in right wingers now pretending that Biden protecting his allies is now war mongering.Good to see they're all still willing shills of Putin.