>His recent series for Fox Nation, “Patriot Purge,” is setting the stage for something even worse than the attack on the Capitol.By Christopher Mathias11/16/2021 05:45am EST | Updated 5 hours agoTucker Carlson’s “Patriot Purge,” a revisionist history of the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol, clocks in at an easily binge-watchable 70 minutes, spread over three episodes. It’s produced with the aesthetics and narrative suspense of an action thriller. The good guys are the “patriots” who stormed the Capitol. The bad guys are those in the media and government who are persecuting them. “The left is hunting the right,” Carlson warns his viewers.It is the most nakedly fascist piece of propaganda Carlson has ever produced. And it comes at a dangerous moment: The insurrection is on its way to becoming as noble an enterprise as the Boston Tea Party for large parts of the American right.Former President Donald Trump is laying clear groundwork to fully embrace the events of Jan. 6, which he now calls “a very beautiful time,” during his potential upcoming presidential campaign. He claimed last month that “The insurrection took place on November 3, Election Day. January 6 was the Protest!” and has repeated the sentiment during recent rallies.Trump also defended the chants of “Hang Mike Pence!” during an interview with ABC’s Jonathan Karl. His valorization of the insurrection attempt is having a downstream effect on the entire Republican Party: Sen. John Barrasso (R-Wyo.) declined over the weekend to criticize Trump for defending those bloodthirsty chants.And now, Carlson, through this three-part “documentary” as well as his nightly top-rated prime-time show on Fox News, is taking the argument to the masses. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tucker-carlson-patriot-purge-is-fascist-january-6-revisionism_n_6192b4a9e4b05e93cbb3c1d7
Nicole Hemmer, author of “Messengers of the Right: Conservative Media and the Transformation of American Politics,” described “Patriot Purge” as “an overarching fantasy about the insurrection that goes like this: It was not an insurrection,” she wrote for CNN. “To the extent there was violence, it was stirred up by members of the government and left-wing agitators. All of it was orchestrated so that the full force of federal law enforcement could be unleashed against Trump supporters, marking them as enemies of the state.”Carlson’s insurrection agitprop sparked a similar wave of warnings from many experts on fascism and misinformation: Propaganda like this, they argued, could one day render the shocking events of Jan. 6 as a mere preview of the right-wing violence to come.>A White Nationalist Whitewash“Patriot Purge” is deeply conversant with far-right mythologies about Jan. 6 and broader fantasies about supposed persecution of far-right groups by the federal government. That’s not surprising, considering who worked on the series: Carlson co-wrote “Patriot Purge” with a man who previously produced white nationalist movies, and the series counts two white nationalists among its protagonists.Carlson’s narration is shot through with coded terminology: In the first episode, he describes the arrest of Jan. 6 rioters as the precursor to a “purge” of “legacy Americans.”Darren Beattie is the first person interviewed in “Patriot Purge,” warning the viewer that “the domestic war on terror is here. It’s coming after half the country.”Beattie made headlines in 2018 after he was forced out of the Trump White House when CNN revealed he’d spoken at a white supremacist conference. Since then, Beattie has openly allied himself with white supremacists — most notably Nick Fuentes — frequently promoting them online. He once tweeted, “If white people are targeted as a group, they must learn to defend themselves as a group.”
None of this background is mentioned in “Patriot Purge.” Instead, Carlson says simply: “Darren Beattie, of Revolver News, is one of the few in media who’s done real reporting on what actually happened on Jan. 6.”Elsewhere, “security analyst” J. Michael Waller is trotted out in Episode 1 to make the baseless claim that the violence on Jan. 6 was a “political warfare operation” orchestrated by “agent provocateurs.” Though Carlson mentions that Waller works for the Center for Security Policy, it goes unmentioned that the organization is one of the foremost anti-Muslim groups in the country.Sliding these extreme voices into the show with the patina of expertise is in line with how Carlson routinely smuggles white nationalist talking points into the mainstream via his nightly cable show. For “Patriot Purge,” he had some extra help.The co-writer for the docuseries is a man named Scooter Downey, who directed movies for white nationalists before joining Fox Nation as a writer. As reported by The Daily Beast, Downey directed a documentary called “Crossfire” starring Lauren Southern, the Canadian alt-right activist best known for teaming up with European neo-fascists on a cruel mission to stop boats from rescuing refugees stranded in the Mediterranean.Downey has also directed a live-action movie called “Rebel’s Run” based on a comic book written by Theodore Robert Beale, aka Vox Day, an alt-right artist who once wrote that “Western civilization” rests on “white tribalism, white separatism, and especially white Christian masculine rule.”>Interview With An Insurrectionist There’s an awkward, ultimately untenable tension at the heart of “Patriot Purge”: The core argument that Jan. 6 might have been a “false flag” operation orchestrated by the left is advanced by deeply unreliable narrators — the very people who planned the rally or took part in the Capitol invasion in the name of Trump and who have a vested interest in absolving themselves of that day’s events.
The series is also desperate to exonerate all of the Trump supporters in Washington, D.C., on Jan. 6, and the wider MAGA movement, for the horrifying violence of the siege. It was all a “set-up,” Carlson says. He blames antifa, agent provocateurs and the FBI separately for orchestrating the attack, all as a pretext for what he portrays as a brutal state crackdown.Elijah Schaefer, a host for the far-right conspiracy site Blaze TV, declares at one point in “Patriot Purge” that “January 6th was a honey pot,” using the term for a trap set up by law enforcement. “They’re going to use this event for every bit of political persecution they can milk out of it.”But Schaefer himself entered the Capitol building on Jan. 6, tweeting out videos and cheering on the riot. “BREAKING: I am inside Nancy Pelosi’s office with the thousands of revolutionaries who have stormed the building,” he tweeted. “To put into perspective how quickly staff evacuated, emails are still on the screen alongside a federal alert warning members of the current revolution.”Schaefer later deleted the tweet and other posts that implicated him in the riot, claiming to have been inside the building as a reporter.Perhaps the most galling appearance, given all the false flag insinuations, is Ali Alexander, the leader of the anti-democratic “Stop the Steal” movement who literally organized the rally that turned into the insurrection. He was recently subpoenaed by Congress for his role in organizing Jan. 6, and infamously stood on a rooftop in Washington that day, observing the storming of the Capitol, saying to the camera: “I don’t disavow this.”In “Patriot Purge,” Alexander complains to Carlson that he’s under surveillance and receiving death threats. He ludicrously says that “Stop the Steal” is “the most law-abiding movement that this country has seen in modern times,” and insists he never intended for the rally to get violent.
It is Alexander’s most extensive interview to date — though not a remotely adversarial one — and Carlson naturally papers over Alexander’s deep ties to right-wing extremism. He doesn’t mention that Alexander has long associated with open white nationalists, as well as misogynist and Pizzagate conspiracy theorist Mike Cernovich and far-right figure Jack Posobiec, who the Southern Poverty Law Center says “has collaborated with white supremacists, neo-fascists and antisemites for years.”Other participants in the riot, if they are not actively calling it a false flag event, are given very sympathetic interviews. Take Richard Barnett, who tells Carlson “I’m absolutely a political prisoner,” during the third episode. “What else could I be?”Barnett is a self-described white nationalist (which goes unmentioned) who was famously photographed sitting in House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office, his feet propped up on a desk. Actively rehabilitating these prominent Jan. 6 rioters sets off alarm bells for extremism researchers and those who study political violence.“Downplaying [extremists’] role in Jan. 6 really only raises the risks of further political violence in the U.S.,” Roudabeh Kishi, research director at the Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project, told HuffPost this week.Kishi said that in the months immediately following Jan. 6, right-wing extremist groups — including the Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers and America First “groypers” — “were going to ground” and were not very active, undoubtedly worried about reprisals for their role in the insurrection.But in recent months, Kishi said, there’s been an uptick in activity by these groups, who seem to be building new alliances across the right, turning up at anti-vaccine rallies or at school board meetings to protest “critical race theory.”
And why not? If they avoided legal consequences — and in Barnett’s case, even if they didn’t — it’s clear that powerful forces are happy to restore their reputations. Many of these extremists are buoyed by Carlson and the right-wing noise machine’s efforts to rehabilitate their image, to remake them into “political prisoners” or martyrs.>Something Worse Than Jan. 6The billionaire owners of Fox Corporation — Rupert Murdoch and his son, Lachlan — would very much like you to watch this series, commercial-free, by subscribing to their digital streaming service Fox Nation for just $5.99 a month.Produced as part of a contract Carlson signed earlier this year, “Patriot Purge” was designed to attract new subscribers to Fox Nation, which the Murdochs see as the future of their media empire. (It’s also a platform conveniently free of any pressure from advertisers who object to extreme political content.) That they are willing to peddle vile lies and bigotry for profit is not news. But Patriot Purge marks an escalation, even for the Murdochs, at an especially fraught moment in American history. (Fox News and Fox Nation did not respond to a request for comment for this article.)Nikki McCann Ramirez, a senior researcher at Media Matters, is one of the foremost chroniclers of Carlson’s extremism and lies. “Patriot Purge,” she wrote recently, is essentially a “repackaging” of the “InfoWars-style” conspiracy-mongering about Jan. 6 that he’s pushed on Fox News’ “Tucker Carlson Tonight” over the last year.On his cable show, Carlson is mostly limited to talking into the camera, but in “Patriot Purge,” he gets to play with “lens flares, overwhelming graphic imagery” and a “sound effect budget big enough to make Michael Bay jealous,” Ramirez wrote.
The alleged “purge” targeting conservative Americans — thus far, mostly misdemeanor charges against hundreds of people who stormed the Capitol — is compared to “any kind of torture porn imagery Fox News could find in its archives,” Ramirez observed. “Viewers are treated to montages of waterboarding, terrorist attacks, an ISIS beheading, drone strikes, and even comparisons of the arrest of Jan. 6 rioters to de-Baathification in Iraq.”Episode 2 ends with a video clip of someone being hung. The message is clear: this kind of state violence will be visited upon you, the good patriotic viewer, very soon, unless something is done.None of the conspiracy theories the series peddles are true, of course, and fall apart under the slightest bit of scrutiny. But Hemmer argues that “Patriot Purge” is unconcerned with truth, despite Carlson’s claims to the contrary. Carlson told “Fox & Friends” the series was “rock-solid factually.”“Patriot Purge,” Hemmer wrote, is “politically, historically and logically confused, but its point isn’t to make sense, or to stand up to critical scrutiny. The point is to convince watchers that the insurrectionists are victims and government is the enemy.”Ashli Babbitt, who was fatally shot by a Capitol Police officer as she tried to break into the House chamber, is a central character. “Patriot Purge” elevates Babbitt into a martyr, and her death is shown in graphic detail at the end of Episode 1. Trump himself has also undertaken a mission to make Babbitt into a martyr, meeting often with her family, demanding that the police officer who shot her be named, and then when the officer came forward, suggesting that he be arrested.
Put a dick in it, Binger
Jason Stanley — philosophy professor at Yale University and the author of the books “How Propaganda Works” and “How Fascism Works” — sees a clear historical parallel in how the right has turned Babbitt into a hero. “Babbitt’s assigned role is familiar to anyone who has seen or studied Twentieth Century fascist propaganda,” he wrote in an op-ed for Rolling Stone. “Honoring the memory of the martyr is to worship the leader, and give all in the quest to defeat his enemies and place him as the leader of the nation.”Babbitt’s own extremism — she subscribed to the QAnon conspiracy movement — goes unmentioned in “Patriot Purge,” as does the extremism of nearly every person interviewed or held up as a “patriot.”Ultimately, Carlson and Downey’s deliberate erasure of the extremism of the people in “Patriot Purge” could have dangerous consequences.“In an environment in which the same right-wing ‘patriots’ who attacked the Capitol and condoned it afterwards have been shouting for a ‘civil war’ waged against their political opponents — and in which some of them are now wondering aloud ‘when do we get to use the guns’ so ‘we can start killing these people’— this kind of propaganda is akin to throwing napalm onto a bonfire,” wrote David Neiwert, author of “Alt-America: The Rise Of The Radical Right In The Age Of Trump” in a recent column for The Daily Kos.Stanley, the Yale philosopher, argued that the central message of “Patriot Purge” — that a tyrannical government is going to target, incarcerate and possibly kill conservatives — could lead to another Jan. 6, or something even worse.“It is impossible to accept this message in total without taking it to justify violent mass action against the current government, or something like a police and military coup,” Stanley wrote.
>>962235>Tucker Carlson’s “Patriot Purge,” a revisionist history of the Jan. 6 riot"Revisionist history," we're in the same fucking year as the event still
>>962244>it's only okay when we do it
>>962244Republicans are trying to pretend what they did wasn't a coup, so that is revisionist.
>>962246It wasn't a coup no matter how many times you call it one.
>>962246It's a different perspective on a contemporary event
>>962248It was the planned attempt to stop the peaceful transfer of power and install Trump as an unelected head of state.That by the very definition is a coup no matter how much you try and lie and say otherwise along with the other shills here.
>>962254>It was the planned attempt to stop the peaceful transfer of power and install Trump as an unelected head of state.How?
>>962254It was a protest against a perceived fraud. They were chanting "stop the steal," not "start the steal." It may have been mistaken but it's insane partisanship to call it a coup or an insurrection.
>>962254>peaceful transfer of powerAsk me how I know you're a shill
>only fascist movements rally around martyr figures>t. Ivy League philosophy man
>>962256>t was a protest against a perceived fraud. They were chanting "stop the steal," not "start the steal.">It may have been mistaken but it's insane partisanship to call it a coup or an insurrection. correct.Only the anti-American terrorists call 1/6 an insurrection.
>>962268>Only the anti-American terrorists call 1/6 an insurrection.only the pro american terrorists dont call it an insurrection
>>962244I mean they alternately claim that everyone there was a patriot angry about a “stolen election” while also claiming it was a false flag event put on by the FBI. It can’t even remain logically coherent within the span of about 10 minutes. He also does that thing that all shitty documentaries do where they go “But what if…” then spouts some bullshit hypothesis, then goes ahead and treats it like fact with zero evidence to back it up.
>>962258>He doesn't know what certification of elections are.Stop projecting shill.
>>962255 Assuming you aren't sea lioning. The violent invasion of the US capitol was specifically done to disrupt the normal operations of the US Congress with the intention of usurping authority and extending Trump’s time in office past the constitutionally-imposed limit of January 20, 2021. The date of the attack was planned well in advanced for January 6th and you had Trump specifically order his people to march on the Capitol, which preceded the attack. You also had multiple organizations like the proud boys and oathkeepers, along with other right wing terrorists groups who entered the Capitol Building and carefully planned, equipped, and organized themselves for violent action as part of the coup, including the intention of holding members of congress either hostage or executing them based on the gear they had.
>>962275Who's they? People think different things. Calling it a revision of history for something that happened this year and hasn't even been settled yet is stupid.
>>962235>Huffpo>Click beggingI'll pass on this garbage.
>>962292There's people who believe this shit?Jan 6 truthers are mentally ill.
>>962302>>962268>>962258>/pol/ppets can't even agree on the same damage control talking point.
People calling Jan 6 a coup is like Binger saying rosenbaum lost his life protecting others
>>962299>Who’s theyFrom the context clues of this being a thread about Tucker Carlson’s terrible documentary I think you can deduce the answer to your own question>You can’t be revisionist on recent historyThose are some hot takes.
Tucker is da man! Troof bombs yo!
>>962292>The violent invasion of the US capitol was specifically done to disrupt the normal operations of the US Congress with the intention of usurping authority and extending Trump’s time in office past the constitutionally-imposed limit of January 20, 2021.Which nobody would recognize as legitimate. >Capitol Building and carefully planned, equipped, and organized themselves for violent action as part of the coup, including the intention of holding members of congress either hostage or executing them based on the gear they had.Which amounted to zip ties, flag poles and bear spray. No guns inside the Capitol and only one guy outside the Capitol with a concealed pistol hours after the "coup" was over with. Their careful plan consisted of slowly walking into a building with picket signs and retreating after the first person was shot - that's more consistent behavior with a violent mob than an insurrection.
>>962327>Their careful plan consisted of slowly walking into a building with picket signs and retreating after the first person was shot - that's more consistent behavior with a violent mob than an insurrection.U srs?Thats more consistent with a group of concerned citizens than a mob
>>962329Point is it wasn't an insurrection. It was an unorganized mob of angry people - and still not anything on the level of your average 2020 BLM riot.
>>962327>Which nobody would recognize as legitimate. 1. You don't know that as a certainty, 2. That's irrelevant to the definition of a coup.>that's more consistent behavior with a violent mob than an insurrection.The objective was to stop Congress from doing their constitutional duty and disrupt the peaceful transfer of power and keep Trump in office beyond his constitutionally-imposed limit. Furthermore, you had multiple, well organized groups who were given Intel on the layout of the capitol and went well equipped and armed. A spur of the moment 'angry mob' doesn't show up in full tactical gear, uses military tactics like ranger file and targets specific locations of the one of the main branches of government unless it's a coup attempt. Given everyone wasn't properly searched, means we don't know how many of the coup forces had fire arms, but thanks to released radio chatter, we know multiple coup members did show up at Washington DC with firearms, only to be be apprehended before the coup attempt occurred. Although this argument is another distraction since you do not need fire arms to stage a coup, only force. Which the coup forces demonstrated considerably. It was well organized, planned, and would have succeed without luck being on the side of America and democracy, like where the coup forces were not able to make it into the senate chamber to take hostages or assassinate senates minutes before they were evacuated. This makes Trump's coup attempt much worse than the BLM protests, and the worst attack on US democracy since the war of 1812 given the Confederates never successfully attacked the capitol during the civil war.
>>962317Is there evidence of Tucker Carlson alternating between those views in a way that's contradictory?And it's not "recent history" it's a recent event.
>>962329>hello fellow concerned citizens - let’s show our concern by attack police, employ zip tie armed men to search for lawmakers, build a gallows, while chanting “hang x/y/z politician”Very concerned citizens!
>>962346Well when you put it that way they were less concerned than the black lives matter folks
>>962339>1. You don't know that as a certainty,Hey everybody I just took over Congress and am holding everyone hostage. Recognize Trump as God emperor or else I'll kill AOC. W-Wait what do you mean she's replaceable? >2. That's irrelevant to the definition of a coup.A slow moving gaggle of boomers more concerned with taking selfies and breaking podiums than capturing/killing congressmen (with two larpers armed with assault zip ties) is not a coup. >A spur of the moment 'angry mob' doesn't show up in full tactical gearWhich nobody did. Nobody had a firearm inside the building and you had one guy dressed up in tacticool shit using one of his mag pouches to hold his sunglasses. > uses military tactics like ranger fileWhat the fuck is a ranger file, and why am I almost certain it wasn't used here?>and targets specific locations of the one of the main branches of governmentBecause protests have never occurred there before in history. And I don't remember anyone calling it a coup attempt in the 50s when Puerto Ricans shot the place up. >Given everyone wasn't properly searched, means we don't know how many of the coup forces had fire armsTranslation: I have no proof but dude trust me.>we know multiple coup members did show up at Washington DC with firearms, only to be be apprehended before the coup attempt occurred.One of those your people counted was some guy at a WWII memorial several blocks away. Obviously had nothing to do with the coup.>Although this argument is another distraction since you do not need fire arms to stage a coupName one successful coup in the last 100 years that didn't involve firearms. >It was well organized, plannedWrong.>much worse than the BLM protests, and the worst attack on US democracy since the war of 1812At least you didn't use the "worse than 9/11 and pearl harbor combined" argument this time. Points for newness.
>>962350I went and observed two black lives matter protests last year. For context I also went to a MAGA rally. Same type of event. People of similar political persuasion milling about.Riots and insurrections are different.
>>962354>gosh gashYou are objectively wrong:https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2021/01/16/video-timeline-capitol-siege/#h1
>>962361>click link>click to watch video>just opens new link to same article>same loop of cop running up stairsHow about you tell me why I'm objectively wrong instead of giving me biased websites that don't work?
>>962354>Hey everybody I just took over Congress and am holding everyone hostage. Recognize Trump as God emperor or else I'll kill AOC. W-Wait what do you mean she's replaceable? Starwman>A slow moving gaggle of boomers more concerned with taking selfies and breaking podiums than capturing/killing congressmen (with two larpers armed with assault zip ties) is not a coup.The most common argument by coup terrorist apologist like yourself, it can't be a coup because the terrorists involved were retarded. It was still a coup.>Which nobody did. Nobody had a firearm inside the building and you had one guy dressed up in tacticool shit using one of his mag pouches to hold his sunglasses. Why are you lying?https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/18/us/militia-capitol-arrested.html>What the fuck is a ranger file, and why am I almost certain it wasn't used here?Why are you so ignorant?https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2333912/Video-MAGA-protesters-walk-Capitol-steps-ranger-file.html>Because protests have never occurred there before in history. And I don't remember anyone calling it a coup attempt in the 50s when Puerto Ricans shot the place up. Because the objective wasn't a coup, unlike Trump's failed coup>One of those your people counted was some guy at a WWII memorial several blocks away. Obviously had nothing to do with the coup.So you admit it was a coup, also the person involved came to DC to take part in the coup, so you just made a perfect own goal.>Name one successful coup in the last 100 years that didn't involve firearms. Show me where in the definition of a coup that firearms are required first before you move the goalposts that hard.>wrongYou don't even know what ranger file is, you clearly just a shill.>At least you didn't use the "worse than 9/11 and pearl harbor combined" argument this time. Trump's failed coup was worse a worse attack on the US than 9/11 and pearl harbor. Thanks actually pointing that out.Try again pro coup shill.
>>962367>clicks link, watches video no problem You are honestly retarded aren’t you?
>>962248>It wasn't a coup no matter how many times you call it one.Give up, ShareBlue. You've already lost.
>>962292Gosh, I wish I had saved the video that showed phone GPS data from people who watched Trump at the rally then walked straight to the Capitol building to start breaking shit. Absolutely wild.
>>962369Doesn't work for me either I get paywalled.Put up or shut up, but your crappy lies aren't really that great you're not very good at it
>>962368>StarwmanHow does taking congress hostage destroy democracy again? Nobody is going to recognize it as legitimate and in the worst case scenario of all congressmen dying the next person in line gets the job until the next election.>It was still a coup.No guns. No serious effort to take congress. Not a coup.>Why are you lying?Why are you using paywall websites? And from what I could glimpse I didn't see anyone with a gun inside the building. Care to archive that for me?>Why are you so ignorant?Oh wow, walking in a straight line. So tactical. Much military. What exactly was your point with this? How is walking in a line through a crowd, outside a building, a threat to democracy?>Because the objective wasn't a coup, unlike Trump's failed coupShooting people and hanging foreign flags, not a coup. Taking selfies and chanting slogans, totally a coup. Whatever you say champ. >So you admit it was a coupSo you admit you're fucking retarded. I just said the guy obviously had nothing to do with the coup, but for some reason you people include him. Explain to me how a man several blocks away was part of this coup.>Show me where in the definition of a coup that firearms are required first before you move the goalposts that hard.The fact that there hasn't been one without since firearms existed.>You don't even know what ranger file is, you clearly just a shill.Yeah we can't all be hardcore navy SEALs like you. >Trump's failed coup was worse a worse attack on the US than 9/11 and pearl harbor.Now your trolling is too obvious.
not exactly sure why anyone is defending tucker carlson, dude can't even wear a bowtie any more 'cause it'd snap with all that corporate cock he gobbles
>>962374Seeing as you have no argument, you've already given up yourself.
>>962235>>962339>>962292>6 straight months of violence by leftist terrorists and racial insurrectionists resulting in 40-60+ people killed and to billion dollars in damages to small businesses and government buildings.Leftist media support and silence. >a few hundred dopey boomers stomp around the hive where all of our villainous sell-out traitor politicians come to enact schemes and screw over the American public for a few hours.We don't stop hearing about how awful you nigger-faggot crybabies think it was for almost an entire year.I'm literally done even considering liberals/commies human at this point. We need a civil war and you vermin need to be ethnically cleansed by the millions.
Extremely low quality OP Huffpoop isnt news sweety
>>962378So you just admit you didn't know the coup terrorists had tactiical gear, used military training, and keep pushing the coup terrorist lie that you need fire arms to stage a coup even though the only one actually pushing that definition are coup terrorist apologists like yourself.Also it's not trolling if it's True, Republicans represent a greater threat to US democracy than the Axis powers and Al Queda because of how they can actually succeed in toppling US democracy.
>>962376You mean this one?https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/05/opinion/capitol-attack-cellphone-data.html
>>962394>had tactiical gearzip ties>used military trainingwalking in a straight line>and keep pushing the coup terrorist lie that you need fire arms to stage a coup even thoughyou still can't answer what successful coup has ever happened in the last 100 years without firearms. >Republicans represent a greater threat to US democracy than the Axis powers and Al Queda because of how they can actually succeed in toppling US democracy.Adorable.
>NoOoOoO you can't heckin call out globohomo fascist deep states planned scenario to get angry citizens who had their elections stolen to come inside a government building!
>>962402Tactical gear, military training, failed coups are still labeled as a coup.>Republicans represent a greater threat to US democracy than the Axis powers and Al Queda because of how they can actually succeed in toppling US democracy.Correct.Coup sympathizers like yourself and Tucker's revisionism doesn't change the facts.
>>962404>Tactical gearJust because they're larping like /k/ doesn't make them a threat to democracy. Notice how this gear doesn't include firearms?>military training>trainingNow they're trained? They learned how to walk in a straight line. What else can Rangers teach them? > failed coups are still labeled as a coup.Good thing this wasn't a coup.
>>962409You're making a lot of clams for stuff that's already been debunked, care to show us where you're building your lies about Trump's failed coup from?
>>962235 Tucker is an American treasure as one of the last mostly honest reporters!
>>962442I hope you aren't writing this for free.
>>962441Care to show me one person inside the Capitol with a gun? You made all this fuss about tactical gear, military training, almost like there were soldiers at the Capitol that day with all that tactical gear and super tactical maneuvers... except they forgot one very important item. Something soldiers have had since the beginning of this country, but silly me I can't remember what that is. I think it rhymes with fun.
>>962235Lol seethe. The video rocks. Everyone should watch it. It's awesome and you are a faggot. You lost.
>>962448Why are you moving the goalposts? You claimed quote "Which nobody did. " when you responded to some saying coup terrorists showed up in tactical gear. The burden of proof is on you. Although you didn't even know about tactics like ranger file, so there are good odds you don't even know what you're talking about beyond your standing orders of deny the coup was a coup.
Should have gone with the pun Triumph of the Hill for the title given Cucker Carlson is a modern day Nazi propagandist.
2 moar weeks
>>962248That one jewish cop screamed while holding a door into himself while everyone stared at him confused.It was practically worse than a nuclear bomb.
This is the only place on the internet I still see people pretending we have a legitimate government.No one here must work and have to buy things for themselves and gas to drive to work.Hell, even the few people that did vote for him didn't get a single promise kept.
God, every day I wake up and I'm glad to remember I'm not from the US. I look through my window, and see I'm on an entirely different continent, and it pleases me greatly.
>>962452>muh ranger fileI love how this is the atom bomb of your argument. "Oh you didn't know what a ranger file is so I'm right you're wrong game over." I'm still waiting for you to tell me why this ranger file even matters. How is this high-tech, super-tactical, Ranger high-speed-low-drag method of WALKING such a threat to democracy? Just because you have a bunch of /k/ faggots in airsoft gear that they got from armchairgeneral.com does not make them all GI Joe tacticool operators that are a threat to anyone, let alone democracy - especially when none of them are armed. No zip ties don't count as a weapon.>in before flag poles and bear spray>The burden of proof is on you.Absolutely not. I've explained several times why it isn't a coup. Not only can you not prove it wasn't one, you can't explain how taking over the Capitol would have destroyed democracy or why this event was worse than 9/11 and Pearl Harbor - but actual shootings that took place at the Capitol weren't.
>>962339>The objective was to stop Congress from doing their constitutional duty and disrupt the peaceful transfer of power and keep Trump in office beyond his constitutionally-imposed limit.That's like saying all the people in history who protested and caused official Congress proceedings to stop wanted to abolish rule by majority.If you protest at a city hall or courthouse and stop official proceedings that doesn't make you an insurrectionist. Maybe some individuals on J6 wanted to install Trump illegally just like some Antifa and BLM rioters wanted to illegally destroy police departments. That doesn't magically turn a riot into an insurrection.
>>962553The fact they came prepared with tactical gear and using military tactics shows it wasn't just spontaneous and planned which is a major blow against your claim that it's not a coup.And the burden of proof is absolutely you're the one constantly claiming it's not a coup yet you've never given actual evidence more than goalpost moving or applying things that have nothing to do with a coup.
>>962619> your claim that it's not a coupThat's the FBI's claim, since they, you know... debunked the coup narrative and said they found no evidence of prior planning or organization ;)>And the burden of proof is absolutely you're the one constantly claiming it's not a coupit's not a coup. This narrative has been debunked. The proof is on you to prove otherwise. You have been repeatedly unable to do so. Cope.
>>962619>The fact they came prepared with tactical gear and using military tacticsIT IS TIME TO STOP. Stop calling it military tactics. It's WALKING. Besides walking in a straight line, what other military tactics were there?>you're the one constantly claiming it's not a coup yet you've never given actual evidence>no guns>no serious effort to get to the congressmen>no plan with what to do if they got those congressmen>no sense of urgency, just slowly pushing in with the rest of the mob armed with picket signs>slowly backing away after the first person gets shot moving with the protesters and eventually dispersing on their own
>>962621If you're refering to the FBI report about the coup terrorists, all that did was show they didn't have long term goals after they took congress hostage. Which wouldn't matter because the goal of disrupting the peaceful transfer of power would have already been accomplished. it was a coup because again, it checks all the boxes for being one. Just because you're trying to pretend it's not one because you're part of the revisionist push for history along with Carlson, does not change the fact it was a coup.>>962626The fact you don't know military tactics and keep trying to push lies for what qualifies a coup also shows yet another attempt at revisionist history, just like what Carlson is doing.
>>962592https://www.washingtonpost.com/washington-post-live/2021/11/16/jonathan-karl-abc-news-chief-washington-correspondent-author-betrayal-final-act-trump-show/Also, feel free to watch this to see what office was ransacked the most by coup terrorists, it's extremely telling of their objective, which was wholly in line with a coup.
>>962235Tucker Carlson is one of the best people we have right now for honest opinion and reporting. If you drank the insurrection kool aid you are a lost cause. It was bad and people should be punished but an insurrection it was not. Stupid people trespassing is all it was.
>>962626>IT IS TIME TO STOP. Stop calling military tactics, military tacticsWhy?https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-01-15/capitol-rioters-included-highly-trained-ex-military-and-cops
>>962629>weWho are you pretending to speak for THIS time?
>>962631Fox News shills?
>>962627The fact that you keep trying to push walking as a military tactic that somehow threatens democracy (you still haven't explained that) shows that you have nothing.>>962630>The formation, known as “Ranger File,” is standard operating procedure for a combat team that is “stacking up” to breach a building — instantly recognizable to any U.S. soldier or Marine who served in Iraq and Afghanistan.You have a video of them "stacking up" and "breaching" this building? Also correct me if I'm wrong but don't they usually use rifles when breaching a building?
>>962638>walking as a military tactic that somehow threatens democracylolhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bqvGXGN4DA
>>962639Let me know when you find an argument.
>>962638>This shill is still pushing the 'need rifles' lies to try and justify the failed coupIt's oh so tiresome.
>>962642>This shill is still pushing walking in a line as a military tactic that threatens democracyIt's oh so tiresome.
>>962619>"We believe that a significant amount of people who came here from out of the area who have come here as well as the advance preparation, having advance scouts, the use of encrypted information, having resupply routes for things such as gasoline and accelerants as well as rocks and bottles, the raising of bail, the placing of medics," Miller said. "Taken together, (this) is a strong indicator that they plan to act with disorder, property damage, violence, and violent encounters with police before the first demonstration and or before the first arrest."https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/law-enforcement-plays-catch-stop-violence-radical-groups-protests-n1220486Antifa riot tactics were way more advanced and military than what the J6 idiots did. The precedent sent during "summer of love" is preparation doesn't make a riot an insurrection.>A riot (/ˈraJət/) is a form of civil disorder commonly characterized by a group lashing out in a violent public disturbance against authority, property, or people.>Riots typically involve destruction of property, public or private. The property targeted varies depending on the riot and the inclinations of those involved. Targets can include shops, cars, restaurants, state-owned institutions, and religious buildings.>Riots often occur in reaction to a grievance or out of dissent. Historically, riots have occurred due to poverty, unemployment, poor living conditions, governmental oppression, taxation or conscription, conflicts between ethnic groups (race riot) or religions (sectarian violence, pogrom), the outcome of a sporting event (sports riot, football hooliganism) or frustration with legal channels through which to air grievances.>While individuals may attempt to lead or control a riot, riots typically consist of disorganized groups that are frequently "chaotic and exhibit herd behavior." The point is there were numerous J6 groups and each had their own agenda. not a coup.
>>962639Lmao!This one's much better thohttps://youtu.be/U5Mwc12LtRY
>>962631>Who are you pretending to speak for THIS time?seethe harder, redditor - you guys have already lost.
>>962619>tactical gearA fucking gun is part of tactical gear you brainlet and they didn't have those
>>962638The thought of walking, or any form of exercise, scares the shill so bad that he demonizes it as evil military tactics.
>>962643>He still doesn't know what ranger file is.It's oh so tiresome.
>>962648This was at the US capitol and part of stopping the peaceful transfer of power and installing Trump as an unelected dictator? No? Not a coup.Unlike J6, which was a coup.
>>962389I hope you find help. That shill money might not be enough for a therapist, but Medicaid can help you out
>>962817>I..I'm gonna cooooooup!Yes, they had a chance to seize power at that very moment, and that's why they were fucking around in the capitol building like idiots.Pure conspiracy theory.
>>962817>Coup - a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.So like CHAZ.
>>962835Except for, like, y'know, the whole presidential election certification ceremony and all that, but who cares about apples and oranges anyway?
>>962835>whataboutEvery fucking time - it’s all you have left.
>>962856>Jan 6th had a chance at changing anythingYeah it would have been tough. And the army of belligerents brought with them a way to fight off the National Guard and maintain power once the coup was completed. It's not a realistic story as far as conspiracy theories go. You should abandon the narrative since no one actually believes it. You're literally just push people to question how reasonable the media and Democrats are when you are a coup truther.
>>962813>he still won't explain why this ranger file was such a threatIt's oh so tiresome.
>>962861Not him, but why isn't MSM calling CHAZ sedition?Double standards?
>>962878>The deputy director of the Department of Homeland Security says federal officers in Portland suffered 113 eye injuries while guarding a courthouse from activists armed with powerful lasers.>“We’ve had a number of officers who have days-long blindness. So far they’ve all kind of come back, if you will,” Cuccinelli said. “But you also get what’s called flash blindness. Think of it as the old Kodak cameras where you get that blue spot and you can’t quite see your entire field of vision for a period.”Officers in Portland were literally getting shot and blinded with lasers by Antifa but only the Capitol Police officers get paraded on the news every night and called heroes.
>>962878>>962894Ivan using so many whataboutisms to defend the failed Trump Coup, they can't even keep their narrative straight
>>962876>Coup terrorists using military tactics and gear to breach the US Capitol with the express intent of stopping the peaceful transfer of power and installing Trump as an unelected dictator. >Didn't even know what ranger file was and lied about the coup terrorists having tactical gear.>Still defending a coupIt's oh so tiresome
>>962908>Coup terrorists using military tacticsWalking in a line is not a military tactic.>and gear Not military gear. Airsoft.> to breach the US CapitolVideo of them breaching? I want to see how tactical these badasses were.Now that I think of it, I thought the crowd got in because somebody on the staff let them in. >with the express intent of stopping the peaceful transfer of power and installing Trump as an unelected dictator. Still no explanation how this was going to happen.>still repeating ranger file as if that's the only argument he needs>claiming I lied when I've already said they were larping as /k/ommandos >still calling it a coupIt's oh so tiresome
>>962919The cope dripping from this post is soo cute.https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000007606996/capitol-riot-trump-supporters.htmlToo bad there is video. Betcha won’t watch it.
>>962923Let's see... Not seeing any military tactics. Not seeing any military gear. Looks like an angry mob.By the way you keep saying they had military gear, what's the NSNs?
What makes Liar Tuck more dangerous than tRump is that tRump believes most of his rantings, while Liar Tuck knows his content is well designed propaganda aimed at the angry plebs.
>>962930>while Liar Tuck knows his content is well designed propaganda aimed at the angry plebs.How's that glass house working out for you?
>>962925So you didn't watch the video and are just aruging in bad faith. gotcha.
>>962940Of what? That walking in a line is not a military tactic? https://l450v.alamy.com/450v/mbf31j/focused-preschool-students-lining-up-with-hands-on-shoulders-in-classroom-mbf31j.jpgOh shit look at these military tactics being taught to preschoolers!
>>962925Decided not to watch the video I see. Afraid of the truth?
>>962942Where in the video does it show military tactics or gear? Do you have NSNs to prove it's actual military gear and not milsim airshit?
>>962946So where's the bullshit you claim in this video?
>>962944Struggling with the facts as per usual.
>>962944>association fallacyNot an argument
>>962949As suspected you did not watch it so why should I answer you? You like all the violent rightists are afraid of truth.
>>962947You should watch the video, and the bigger question is you claim it's airsoft gear. Where is your proof?
>>962950>>962951OMG look at these kids learning Ranger lines! How can they teach that in schools? To children? Won't anyone think of the children? Next they'll be learning how to overthrow the government and install dictatorships!
Tucker is not as good or honest and straight forward as Alex Jones, but he is still pretty good reporter and second best reporter in USA.
>>962952As suspected you can't give a timestamp. Did you watch the video?>>962953>and the bigger question is you claim it's airsoft gear. Where is your proof?Doesn't look like military gear to me. It looks like airshit. Prove it isn't.
>>962954>Doubling down on his association fallacyNot an argument
>>962956>Doesn't look like military gear to me. It looks like airshit. Prove it then. Burden of proof is on you since you made the wild accusation.
>>962957>doubling down on military tacticsNobody buys it.
>>962959>Nobody buys it.Only if you're a coup terrorist like yourself, actual patriots know it was a coup and they used military tactics to storm the capitol as shown in the video.
>>962956I did watch the video, some time ago, and it clearly refutes your “some staff opened the door” meme.So watch the video or admit you are ignorant.
>>962958I'm not the one who said military gear. That's you faggots. Prove it is. Hell you didn't even give a list of all this "military gear" that they had. A few helmets and some vests that look nothing like what I got issued in Iraq or Afghanistan. You do realize that if you buy this gear online it's not military, right?
>>962960>and they used military tactics to storm the capitol as shown in the video.Besides walking in a line, what other tactics?>>962962Give me a timestamp you ignorant nigger. I'm not wasting 45 minutes of my life looking for something that doesn't exist.
>>962963>Can't provide the proof to his wild accusations.Why are pro-coup shills like yourself so terrible at this?You said it was airsoft gear, proof it.
>>962965You said it was military gear. Prove it.
>>962964>Moving the goalpostsNot an argument
>>962967Asking a question and for a timestamp is moving the goalposts? Wow you're retarded.
>>962968>Wow, moving the goalposts is moving the goalposts? Cope harder.
>>962970Not an argument.
>>962971Calling out fallacies is an argumentYou've yet to provide an argument.
>>962975I've made my case already. I'm waiting on you to provide something of value. Like a timestamp or a list of this military gear being used.
>>962979You didn't make a case outside of fallacies and goalpost moving.Please make an argument.
>>962982Ample proof has already been made confirming the actions of January 6th was a attempted coup by Trump and his terrorist followers.You have yet to provide any creditable argument not riddle with lies, fallacies or goalposts moving to refute that.
>>962985And ample arguments have been made earlier in this thread that prove these claims wrong. You've yet to provide any answers to simple questions like what other tactics besides a ranger file, what military gear, what timestamps in videos, etc. So let me know when you figure those out.
>>962989No they haven't, all you've done is provide lies, fallacies, or goalposts moving. In fact you're using goalpost moving right now.And this was after you lied by claiming no military tactics were originally used at the coup so your credibility is already done for.
>>962995>And this was after you lied by claiming no military tactics were originally usedWhatmilitarytacticsbesidesarangerfilealsoknownaswalkinginaline?
>>962997>Moving >The>Goalposts>IntensifiesThis is why no one is taking you seriously here given you're here to just lie, deflect and damage control for Trump's failed coup.
>>963002A simple question with a simple answer and you can't give it. Because there were no military tactics. Otherwise you would have named them when I asked multiple times in this thread about 80 posts ago. The only "tactic" you can name is a ranger file because it sounds scarier than walking in a line with an arm over your buddy's shoulder like you're in preschool.Which is the whole point. You have nothing so you have to use buzzwords like military tactics and military gear to make this event sound worse than it was - then when pushed into a corner you can't name any of these tactics or gear and have to accuse the person asking of fallacies. There was nothing military about 1/6. It was an angry mob of people. There was no coup. No gear, no tactics, no guns, no plan and no coup. Thank you for wasting my time.
>>963006>Because there were no military tactics. This lie you've been trying to push here has been debunked for a while and causes your entire rant to fall apart.https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-01-15/capitol-rioters-included-highly-trained-ex-military-and-cops
>>963006Why are you engaging with this ridiculous Jan 6th truther who's just using you for his leftist debate practice. In literally in one post "Moving the goalposts", "Deflection", and "Damage control".No weapons, and they brought gramdma. What a "coup".
>>963011Can you feel whats coming? The Obama-Rice Controlled Biden Admin is beginning to unravel. They're going to attempt to impose martial law very soon now. it will of course fail, as the pentagon may back Biden, but the US military at large and Law Enforcement won't. The Biden shills are working overtime on /news/, desperately trying to get one greasy pudgy finger on the narrative and they are failing.
>>963011I was actually done with him when I said "Thank you for wasting my time." I gave him a chance to answer a simple question and he blew it.
>>963012I don't see that happening. That's pretty far out there. I see the Biden admin doing everything it can to make the average person's life unlivable without government subsidies and continuing to legislate in favor of big businesses.At least you understand Biden is a shit president, despite your larping bullshit though.
>>963019>I don't see that happening. That's pretty far out there. I see the Biden admin doing everything it can to make the average person's life unlivable without government subsidies and continuing to legislate in favor of big businesses.>At least you understand Biden is a shit president, despite your larping bullshit though.its coming - they are beginning to get desperate. the OK National Guard is in open defiance of the Pentagon, OSHA is refusing to enforce Mad King Joe's edicts, People still think CRT and wokeism is marxist nonsense. They're going to try very soon to secure full power but its doomed to fail. too many insiders are against them.
>>963012Calm down Alex Jones. You retards cry about martial law when a democrat is in power every time. It’s tiresome.
>>963011>>963012>>963014Same fag hard enough?
>>963071Wrong actually. I don't know about two of those, but one was mine.
>>963073You'll have to prove it, of course you'll just take a photoshopped screencap, which isn't proof.
>>963096I'm not that committed to be honest. If you think people are samfagging just ignore it.
>>963104Samefags need to be called out.
>>963106But you were wrong. I just informed you were wrong.
>>962235Ok. Sure, buddy.
>>962862>not a realistic story as far as conspiracy theories go.Well, cool, you're entitled to your opinion, but there's been a lot of news about this shit, and it turns out Trump's people had been grinding out a plan depending on delaying certification, with documentation of that planning months prior to the event itself.You're totally entitled to your opinion that the plan was dumb and faulty: it didn't work, mostly due to Pence being a dedicated slave to the republican party. It would be reasonable of you to hold the opinions you do, that the actual conspiring of politicians and their cronies to steal the election couldn't possibly be true, if it weren't for the actual, obvious evidence of the plan being a real yet half-baked attempt that got co-opted for optics as part of it's defusal.But you're not posting in response to me, anyway. You're just pushing narrative for cash.
>>963010The article just says "ranger file" and "stacking up" which are walking in a line and standing in a line. This is hardly the advanced tactics people are making them out to be. Judging by the amazon-tier plate carriers and "tactical vests" most are wearing, there's nothing to be afraid of from these retards. >>963106>>963071Did you learn a new phrase?>>963231Disrupting the ceremonial counting of electoral college votes had zero chance of keeping Trump in power. If it was as serious as you keep trying to make it out to be then he would be dead or in jail. The fact that Dems can go on camera and cry about how this was worse than 9/11 then proceed to do nothing about it should tell you all you need to know.
>>963071>Same fag hard enough?>>963011>>963012>>963014Hmmm....
>>963231>we totally have all of this evidence>can we see it?>no >but people familiar with it say it's bad>can you tell us who these people are?>no>but just believe> You're just pushing narrative for cash.Tu quoque
>>962235You can dislike the documentary all you want because you are one of the nutty left. But can you point out anything that isn't accurate in it.? Now you can seethe and name call because you have nothing to support your position.
>>962339Christ, you're a fucking asshole.
>>963382Everything in it isn't accurate. That's why Tucker Carlson is a laughing stock and the people who unironically listen to him are even worse off.
>>963422You're only mad because that poster is 100% correct.
>>963422can you smell the desperation? "progressives" (the illiberal left) is losing. Something is going to go down soon.
>>963424Like that anon asked, can you point out anything that isn't accurate?Here we go again with another round of simple questions being answered with hurr moving the goalposts durr.
>>963358Came back just to show you're still moving the goalposts?You didn't even know it was a tactic.
>>963556>They used muh military tactics>Walking in line. This is what you think was going to take over the US Govt?>Hurr goal postsYour argument doesn't stand on it's own so you try to pull logical fallacies out of your ass instead of addressing the opposing argument.
>>963559>Doubling down on goalpost moving Not an argument.
>>963561So everyone is clear on this, your argument is that they used "military tactics" which means they were organized? And the example of these tactics is a "ranger file" which consists of walking single file with a hand on the shoulder of the person in front of you? And the pictures that show this, they show handful of people performing a "ranger file" through the middle of a crowd of other people involved in the same incident?
>>962327MAGATs being incompetent in planning and executing their coup attempt doesn't make it not a coup attempt. The Beer Hall Putsch was a pathetic failure too.
>>963567The Beer Hall Putsch had guns.
>>963568And so did the Jan 6 insurrectionists.https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/28/politics/armed-insurrection-january-6-guns-fact-check/index.htmlIn any case, having guns is not a requirement for attempting a coup regardless. Is an attempted murder not attempted murder if you're attacked with a knife instead of a rifle?
>>963358>Disrupting the ceremonial counting of electoral college votes had zero chance of keeping Trump in power.And setting dumpsters on fire had zero chance of toppling capitalism yet conservatives justifiably labeled these leftists as looters and rioters. I find this double standard beyond bizarre - that the realistic chance of a goal being accomplished somehow negates the intent. >The fact that Dems can go on camera and cry about how this was worse than 9/11 then proceed to do nothing about it should tell you all you need to know.Firstly, all politics is performative. Playing up optics is the name of the game. Secondly, Dems hold only 48 seats in the senate currently. Republicans have opposed literally every Democrat attempt to investigate or form committees into January 6th. Not that I think any of these investigations are anything more than performative politics but you can't really blame Dems for not getting things done when we have two haves of our legislative body that summarily block anything the other tries to do.
>>963571>Facts First: While it's impossible to know precisely how many firearms were brought to the Capitol on January 6, it's already clear that at least some of the people present were carrying guns that day. Stated with no evidence to back it up.>So far, with the investigation still ongoing, three individuals have been charged for allegedly bringing a gun onto Capitol grounds Capitol grounds, there's two more examples that also mention Capitol grounds specifically, not inside the building. So you have a grand total of 3 people who MAY have brought 3 pistols to the riot, but never used them. All according to your own fact checking link. >In any case, having guns is not a requirement for attempting a coup regardless.I'm staying a coup right now, at my desk. Mean words are just as dangerous as guns.
>>963571And which of these "insurrectionists" brought their guns into the Capitol and used them?Zero.You have three people outside the Capitol, one of which was caught with a pistol hours after the "coup" was over with and one guy who left his gun in his car. But we've been over this already in this thread a few times now, and many multiple times in /news/.
>>963572>And setting dumpsters on fire had zero chance of toppling capitalism yet conservatives justifiably labeled these leftists as looters and rioters.Which they are. Nobody besides you implied that you have to topple capitalism to be a rioter. You just have to be retarded.
>>963574This arguing about the word coup is beyond pointless. The majority of people there had no real intentions and were not involved in any violence. A small minority of people absolutely instigated violence and absolutely had an intention regardless of the fact that there was very little chance of accomplishing their goal. These people came armed with hammers, knives and other weapons and attempted, in their limited capacity, to disrupt the process of removing Trump as president. Whether or not it is defined as a coup doesn't change any of the facts. Its a really dumb hill for anybody to die on.
>>963576The point of the comparison is that the realistic chance of a goal being accomplished doesn't negate the intent. A naked man covered in shit can try to hijack a cruise liner using a flyswatter as a weapon. The fact that he had a 0% chance of succeeding doesn't change what he intended to do. I don't understand the argument that in order to attempt to commit an act you somehow have to be effective in doing so.
>>963579>I don't understand the argument that in order to attempt to commit an act you somehow have to be effective in doing so.You've not proven that there was a coup attempt. You're just assuming that it was one and that it was incompetently done. The logical explanation, if you're not biased, is that this was a pissed off mob of people with no plan other than to storm in and break shit. There was no real effort, no military tactics and spec-ops gear, to take over the Capitol, destroy democracy and install Trump as Emperor of The World Forever. Using your analogy the naked man wasn't attempting to take over the cruise liner, you're just assuming he is.The difference is the media portrays this as a coup while every riot that happened in 2020 was just a fiery but peaceful protest - in other words when one side does it it's no big deal but when the other side does it it's the end of democracy. The double standard is obvious, and anytime you bring this up on /news/ the only response you get is "whataboutism, not an argument, projecting, etc. etc."
>>963582>You've not proven that there was a coup attempt.I don't care, is the thing. Whether or not its a coup doesn't change the events of what happened. Whether or not they effectively stage a coup doesn't change that those who committed the most amount of violence absolutely had an intention - whether or not their goals were realistic. I don't need to call it a coup to make my argument. Its not a hill I'll die on. >Using your analogy the naked man wasn't attempting to take over the cruise liner, you're just assuming he is.No, in the analogy he absolutely tried to he just failed miserably. Using your logic, he isn't guilty of trying to hijack it simply because he didn't do a very good job. >The difference is the media portrays this as a coup while every riot that happened in 2020 was just a fiery but peaceful protestTo be fair, both sides do this. Both parties downplay the events that make their side look back. Both parties played the most violent clips they had on loop 24/7 to try to exaggerate the violence that happened. >The double standard is obvious, and anytime you bring this up on /news/ the only response you get is "whataboutism, not an argument, projecting, etc. etc."Well both sides participate in this. The double standard exists everywhere. I wouldn't defend CNN doing this any more than I would defend FOX doing it because both ends of the spectrum do it frequently and shamelessly.
>>963572The rightist cognitive dissonance on this topic is painful to watch. Criminals fail to accomplish their goals all the time. So do businessmen - for example I can think of one New York real estate who went bankrupt over and over.Anyway, the defense that something was not well organized and retarded in general is completely irrelevant.
>>963574>>963575Again, is an attempted murder not an attempted murder if the attacker uses a knife instead of a rifle? The intent is what matters.
>>963565So you admit they were organized and using a military tactic to invade the capitol.Good you concede that.
>>963578Their intention was to stop the peaceful transfer of power, it was a coup attempt no matter how you slice it.
>>963586They watched the Simpsons and figured the Sideshow Bob defense is a legitimate strategy. Ironically that episode was about Republicans stealing an election too.
>>963592You need to stop doing this. I asked you to clarify your argument. That doesn't mean I give credibility to it.
>>963594My point is that this is a really pointless hill to die on. You don't need the word coup to make your argument. When you get stuck on defending the definition of this word you just end up talking past other people and the facts of the events take a backseat to an argument over semantics.
>>963601There is nothing to be clarified given you already revealed you are ignorant to military tactics, then tried, and failed to move the goalposts and then admitted to it.
>>963607You call a spade a spade. In this case, it was an attempted coup.Of course those in favor of the coup are going to be fighting tooth and nail to say it wasn't one because of how damaging it is to them.Your hand wringing is part of the problem.
>>963614>Your hand wringing is part of the problem.Nah. The problem is people like you who don't seem to actually care about the substance of an issue but rather want to argue optics. I know that calling it a coup is really optically effective and makes righties look super bad but it isn't a substantive discussion. You're like one of those people that wants to argue the definition of "terrorist" any time violence happens in a political context. You end up dying on these broad, amorphous hills that only end up serving as a distraction to discussions about the actual facts of an event or their significance. Your inability to discuss politics outside the scope of scoring cheap gottems against your opponent is part of the problem.
>>963618Actually, people who study coups called it one.https://clinecenter.illinois.edu/coup-detat-project-cdp/statement_jan.27.2021If you're going to concern troll, try harder.
>>963630Notice how we've been arguing for several posts about the definition of the word coup. In the meantime we haven't even gone over a single fact of the incident. Congrats on your optical wins, anon. It makes you look super cool and good faith.
>>963630>people who study coupsThere were maybe five of these in the entire world before January 6th and the one you're linking is without a doubt reactionary, not a "coup expert"
>>963635Why are you intentionally ignoring the facts now?>>963645Ad hominem.It's all so tiresome...
>>963662if you bring into evidence the character of a person "hes a coup expert", questioning the validity of that persons expertise is not ad hominemalso youre gay
>>963662>Why are you intentionally ignoring the facts now?Why are you pretending like an academic institution using their personal criteria for what qualifies as a coup to analyze the Jan 6th riot is a fact?
>>963665>>963664>They can't refute the facts that it was a coup attempt, so they're just now going to attack the source rather than provide evidence proving it's not a coup.It's oh so tiresome.
>>963666>PROVIDE EVIDENCE THAT IT WASN'T A COUPNow that you've been backed into a corner and you actually don't have any good reason for dying on this pointless optical it is our responsibility to prove a negative. Absolute genius.
>>963630Oh I remember this link! This was used in an earlier "it was totally a coup guys trust me" thread. Come to find out they also counted those damn commies in the late 40s as attempting to coup the US government:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_Act_trials_of_Communist_Party_leadersSo was that a coup attempt also? It is according to your source.
>>963668>>963669So you admit, again, you don't have anything to refute the evidence proving 1/6 was a coup and instead are now deflecting. AgainIt's oh so tiresome.
>>963669I'm sure you have evidence the communists attacked the US capitol to overthrow the government like the Trump supporters did on 1/6 if this is the case.So let's see the photographic evidence.
>>963679Ask your source. They're the ones claiming those tried during the Smith Act attempted to coup the United States.You really should check over your sources before posting them.
>>963683Question, what does a conspiracy by communists to overthrow the US have to do with the fact that Trump did attempt to overthrow the US? All I see is that Trump came closer to succeeding in his coup d'etat if both are considered coups.
>>963692>Question, what does a conspiracy by communists to overthrow the US have to do with the fact that Trump did attempt to overthrow the US?Answer, some faggot keeps posting this link, probably the same faggot who brought up ranger file earlier in this thread, and he thinks that his job is done so now he doesn't need an argument. The problem with said link, after you dig into it and look at the dataset from the coup d'etat project, is that it includes things as coups that I would argue shouldn't count as coups - such as an event in 1948 involving communists. Now as much of a far-right extremist that I am, even I wouldn't call that a coup but these experts on coups are. See the problem?
>>963697But that is just your personal interpenetration, it is clear that the Cline Center’s Coup D’état Project have guidelines on what constituents a coup d'etat, and both the US communist party and Trump and his supporters fit those guidelines. I found this article on the Coup D’état Project and they did consider other events that might have been labeled as coups in the US, but ultimately did not include them due to failing to meet the criteria. https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/03/us/capitol-coup-attempt-communists-white-supremacists/index.htmlSo my question to you now is, why should what Trump and his supporters did on January 6th not count as a coup if it fits the guidelines stated by the Coup D'etat Project?
>>963666look Satan, you can't pull a source out of your ass and parade it around free from criticism while you try to hide behind a long list of logical fallacies and ignore arguments.
>>963692moving goal posts
>>963707How so?I wanted clarification from >>963697>>963683 >>963669 on how it was relevant to the events of January 6th, which was classified as a coup attempt.
>>963705>https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/03/us/capitol-coup-attempt-communists-white-supremacists/index.html>1. Someone must initiate the coup.>2. The target "must have meaningful control over national policy.">3. "There must be a credible threat to the leaders' hold on power.">4. Those involved must use illegal or irregular means to seize or remove the target, or render it powerless.>5. It must be organized. So there goes numbers 3, 5 and possibly 4 for the 1/6th riots. Now if you could please tell me which of these guidelines apply to the communist party of 1948 because I'm having a damn hard time finding anything that meets conditions 1, 3 and 4. Seriously why are these commies on the list of coup de tats again?
>>962246It wasn't a coup.>attempted coup
>>963717>So there goes numbers 3, 5 and possibly 4How so?
>>963723>3. "There must be a credible threat to the leaders' hold on power."Flagpoles and bear spray. Also don't forget those zip ties and special forces military tactics like ranger lines.>5. It must be organized. Angry mob with no plan just pushing into a building.>4. Those involved must use illegal or irregular means to seize or remove the target, or render it powerless.The target being congress which they didn't attempt to seize or remove. There was no "breaching" at the door to storm in and take hostages. It was a mob of unorganized people pushing on the door, one woman tried to crawl through the window and got shot, making the whole crowd back off. They even made a hole for EMTs to get to the shot victim before they eventually left the building and walked away. So behavior consistent with a mob.
>>963723It was not a credible threat because it was a bunch of old people with at most a handful of firearms, none of which were used or recovered in the building. 4, not really because they broke in. 5, there was only a tiny handful that were organized and I use that term loosely.
>>963728>Shattering windows to get into the building doesn't count>Trespassing to be there while it is closed to the public doesn't count>Trump and co encouraging people to do it by saying shit like "Fight for Democracy" and "Trial by combat" don't count>A lynch mob trying to breach the room into where the Reps were doesn't count
>>963733Everything you said was consistent with a mob. Here let me quote you:>A lynch mob
>>963723>>963733So now that I've answered you two, when are either of you going to be answering me about the communist thing?Because if the communists don't meet the criteria for coup de tat status, but they're on the coup experts list, then the "experts" are wrong.
>>963728>Flagpoles and bear spray. Also don't forget those zip ties and special forces military tactics like ranger lines.You just proved they were there to cause harm to the leaders of the country given they used force to break into the capitol, assaulted multiple law enforcement in process and had specific targets such as the locations where the certification was taking place and the senate parliamentarian office in an attempt to seize the physical electoral votes.>Angry mob with no plan just pushing into a building.It was planned for weeks given Trump said January 6th was the date and then directed his forces to attack the capitol, which they did. Furthermore, if it wasn't planned Trump would not be doing everything in his power to cover up his communications before and after the coup attempt because if it wasn't a coup, those communications would exonerate him.>The target being congress which they didn't attempt to seize or remove. There was no "breaching" at the door to storm in and take hostages. It was a mob of unorganized people pushing on the door, one woman tried to crawl through the window and got shot, making the whole crowd back off. They actually did succeed in forcing their way onto the senate floor and we will never know what would happen if they did get their hands on members of congress or the vice president, but given they were changing 'hang Mike Pence', the odds of them inflicting harm on him is extremely likely.
>>962235LEAVE TUCKER CARLSON ALONE HE IS A GREAT AND HONORABLE MAN!
>>962235The leftie is butthurt.Good.
It was an attempted coup no matter how much you stamp your tiny feet.
>>962235Cope seethe and dilate
>>962374>No u are shareblueThe state of j*wish iq
>>965111It wasn't but Kyle was self defence no matter how much you sneed about it
>>965211you still a shill shareblue
>>962339You really got some terrorists all butt frustrated with that comment. Good job, anon
>>965356This Russian bot is still stuck in 2016. But given the right wing can't meme, it only makes sense they use the last thing they were given.
>>963723>>963733So I never did get an answer to my post here >>963742Did you both give up?
>>963711Why are you still deflecting?
>>965701>>965772Waiting on your answer.
>>965790Why are you deflecting? They were both considered coups by an academic group that studies them. Only Trump's failed coup actually resulted in an attack on the US capitol.So why are you deflecting from that?
>>965793Not him, but you coup shills are so freaking tiring, your like a broken record, or even like an npc repeating a script over and over.Very rarely do I hear you people say anything original, you just keep spouting off the same handful of lines that paints Trump as some cartoon villain that was thwarted by the justice league or some shitThe dudes an idiot and you paint him like some mastercraft speech 100 orator
>>965793>They were both considered coups by an academic group that studies them.How? They didn't meet the five conditions. Explain how they did. Your "expert" source on coups can't even follow it's own rubric. Why should anyone take it seriously?
>>965804At what point has anyone discussed the coup attempt other than in reaction to obvious misinformation posted by paid actors whose apparent goal is a narrative of bipolar dysfunction, the only plausible reaction to which is suspicion of manipulative intent
>>962235stfu with this retard level fascist jan 6 trash. you faggots clearly are delusional.
>>965805But they did, you have yet to refute them.
>>965887Yeah actually I did. Three points out of five that either 1/6 or the 1948 commies didn't meet. You obviously are ignoring my posts just like you refuse to answer simple questions so here it is:The Coup-detat-project that you are using as a source to prove your point is flawed and does not count because they can't even apply their own standards to the two events they count as coup attempts in the US. You need to do better, either find a better source OR start having logical arguments. I know the latter will be difficult for you because you need to start thinking and can't just rely on buzzwords or defective studies to do your work for you.
>>965968But they those are wrong because you rely on your usual fallacies, so it can be correctly disregarded.If you actually were confident, you'd contact them to with your points and get them to issue a public retraction.Will you? Of course you won't.
>>965980>But they those are wrong because you rely on your usual fallacies, so it can be correctly disregarded.Explain to me how those commies in 1948 meet all five requirements. I've asked several times in this thread, i highly doubt you'll answer this without another deflection.>If you actually were confident, you'd contact them to with your points and get them to issue a public retraction.... Motherfucker it is not my responsibility to correct your sources. It is your responsibility to look over your sources before you post them so you don't look like an idiot. Why aren't you contacting them?
>>965983You're the one that says they're wrong, it's your responsibility to both provide proof and correct it. You have done neither.Stop being so lazy.
>>965980>hurr muh fallaciesyou're not refuting anything he's saying, you're just parroting things you heard in philosophy class that aren't even relevant. >>966009>I said it's a coup, therefore it's definitely a coup, you have to prove me wrong. >I'll ignore you when you post proofssee>>963728>>963730
>>966009>You're the one that says they're wrong, it's your responsibility to both provide proof and correct it.Which I did.>You have done neither.Scroll up and read.>Stop being so lazy.Oh the irony.And I called it when I said "i highly doubt you'll answer this without another deflection."
not a coup attempt or "insurrection" all the lies of the illberal left will not change this fact
>>966034>I am easily triggered when people refer to my insurrection attempt as a coupTomato vs Tomaato
>>962235Care to share how it is in any way connected to fascism? My guess is you don't even know what fascist is.
Lol they didn't storm the capital they were let in where they then walked around and shouted at marble.This is just a leftist victim complex. Upon having 1000's of people murdered by democrtas every single weekend in their own cities they need to focus on a little court case in Kenosha to distract from it.Also yelling fascist means nothing from the mouth of communists. The left is cult now, its the new religious right where you get whipped for saying curse words.
>>966057>Lol they didn't storm the capital they were let in where they then walked around and shouted at marble.Does telling lies to yourself help you sleep or something?Let’s see what has been entered in the official record of the United States Congress shall we:https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=DXnHIJkZZAsBut you won’t watch it. You will cling to your narrative and whataboutism because that is all you have left.
>ctrl + f>whataboutism x 4>deflect x 8>narrative x 10>goalposts x 14>not an argument x 7>fallacy x 2>fallacies x 10>burden of proof x 5>cope x 5>damage control x 3>debunked x 4This might be the most /news/worthy thread on this entire board.
GASP, so something like BLM protests, but with middles class white people [double gasp] instead of niggers?
>>966092Seriously. It's bad enough when the cat stories turn into culture war.
>>966015You don't need to refute a fallacy dumbass.
>>966030But you've yet to prove what they said is wrong. And you have yet to get them to react any of their statements.
>>966345>But you've yet to prove what they said is wrong.There was no credible threat (3) and they did not use illegal means in 1948 (4). Therefore your source is wrong.
>>966890Given they were successfully prosecuted, you're wrong.
>>963739And when a lynch mob's target is most of the country's legislature, what does that mean?
>>967076Wow... A leftist approves of the Smith Act trials? Am I reading this right? Hell I don't even agree with the results and I hate communists. You must really hate free speech. I'm just curious though, what credible threat was there and what illegal means did they use besides speech?
>>967132>leftistWhy is it that everyone who doesn't agree with you happens to be a leftist
>>967147What credible threat was there and what illegal means did they use besides speech?
>>967150I haven't posted anything else in this thread. I won't address strawman questions. Why is it that everyone who doesn't agree with you happens to be a leftist?
>>962235oh boy the huffpost talking about propaganda. Will america ever stop being a shitstain of a country.
>>967285>I haven't posted anything else in this thread.It's hard to tell. Usually when I ask a question it gets answered by another unrelated question, so forgive me if I confuse you for others in this thread.> I won't address strawman questions.It's not a strawman question. If you can't explain why the communists in 1948 are on that list of coup attempts, then the list is flawed. I've asked multiple times and NOBODY in this thread has given me an answer. They just redirect to another question. Therefore the source is flawed and should stop being used in threads on /news/ every time this subject comes up.>Why is it that everyone who doesn't agree with you happens to be a leftist?I never said everyone was, but I'd argue that everyone on /news/ who claims Jan 6th was a coup attempt is to the left - and every time we have this conversation someone uses the coup detat project as a source, so when I ask them how that source applies to communists (who were also to the left) and why they're counted as an attempted coup, people in this thread get awfully quiet and can't answer simple questions.Therefore, I'm assuming that they are to the left. If you're not to the left then please either answer the fucking question once and for all or say that the coup de tat project is incorrect.Can't wait to see how you deflect from this post with another question.
We must not underestimate the low intelligence of Americans, where over 50% of adults believe in Creationism (pseudoscience) rather than evolution theory(science). Mr. Trump, a narcissistic personality disorder & diet cola addict, is just a symbol of Americans who are arrogant, selfish, rude, unwise, smug, defiant, optimistic, ingenuous, uneducated, impulsive, and shortsighted.His supporters, who have low objective self-awareness and are easily deceived by conspiracy theories and fake and have a poor judge of character, are also victims of inadequate low-level education.What they need is NOT punishment, exclusion, criticism or neglect, i.e., HATRED, BUT media/science literacy, logical thinking, problem-solving ability, treatment of delusional personality disorder by psychotherapy/counseling, i.e., LOVE.Thanks to the political amateur Trump administration, American education system has proved to be still immature. Now is the time to save America and make America great again for real."Emotions Self-Responsibility Theory"
>>967303Fuck off, trash. Go sing kumbaya with all your hippie friends. Your childish seething jealousy is out of place here.
>>967303>Americans, where over 50% of adults believe in CreationismSource?
>>967316>childish seething jealousy is out of place here, so long as you except just this and every other post like this
>>967303Possibly the most pathetic post I've ever read on this board. You are nowhere near as smart as you think you are.
>>967303This is a lazy copy-pasta.Anyone that reacts/replies to it, outs themselves as new to 4chan
>>962235I am constantly baffled how this monkey faced retarded has a job. Didn't he get so buttfucked on live TV by Joe Stewart CNN fired him the next day? How the fu->>son of rich white media mogul conservativeOh right, conservatives being everything their conspiracies complain of right.
>>962256>>lose>>get angry about results>>try to stop power exchangeJust because they're also retards doesn't make it not a coup
>>962957>>962960Bruh, so about 12 people know how to do a ranger file. I know how to do a line sweep for a GSAR, does that make me a military personnel?Also, there were thousands of people there. The video capture 12 of them doing the "ranger file." Even if those 12 had a plan to take over the capitol (with no weapons), it's a stretch to claim that all the people who were there wanted to stage a coup. Finally, isn't there a bunch of video of people walking into the capitol without using "ranger lines"? I don't see why you are so transfixed on this one thing when literally thousands of other people just walk inside normally like an average tourist.
>>967672>lazyIf anything, that copypasta has been consistent for years now, and you're absolutely right about your reply.
>>967302It's interesting how you have to take the most belligerent stance with everything.
>>967687This. Just because retards do something stupid that was doomed to fail does not invalidate that they tried to do it.
>>967763It's interesting how you still can't answer a simple question: What credible threat was there and what illegal means did the 1948 communists use besides speech?
>>967846You better ask the coup committee and get them to retract their findings.
>>967839Also why attempted murder and attempted sexual assault are crimes.
>>962292is this a copy pasta? I genuinely don't understand this board. can someone tell me if its mostly bait on here?
>>962339>The objective was to stop Congress from doing their constitutional duty and disrupt the peaceful transfer of powerthere was no objective. it was a bunch of retards led to the capital where cops let them in. Then they broke some windows, took some pictures, one got shot, and they left. You're insane if you actually believe this.
>>968126>cops let them inhttps://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/video-shows-capitol-rioters-storming-through-garage-door/2891439/
>>968124I get the feeling it’s mostly bait.
>>968126>the capital where cops let them inImagine being retarded enough to actually have this as the narrative in your head.
>>968111Not my job. I'm not responsible for fixing your sources.
>>968132>In court Monday, prosecutors showed a four-minute video recorded by defendant Frank Scavo, saying Scavo chose to film and move through a riot knowing he was breaking the law in doing so.>The judge ended up sentencing Scavo to a prison term four times longer than prosecutors had recommended. Scavo’s case otherwise was low level with no accusations of assault or damage.>four times longer than prosecutors had recommended>For recording the eventSounds like a political purge
>>968197criminals going to jail>pOliTiCal pUrGeThe cope is strong with this one.
>>968195But you're the one claiming they're wrong.
>>968214And I gave a clear reason why. Once again, What credible threat was there and what illegal means did the 1948 communists use besides speech?
>>962389Disregarding humans as non humans is the most human things your can do.
>>962389>We need a civil warYes. That would be an effective way to purge most of you boomer MAGATs.
>>968111>>968214https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2021/02/21/wikipedia-editors-label-capitol-riot-as-coup-attempt-slant-election-related-content/Here's Breitbart claiming it wasn't a coup. Why don't you contact them, explain why it was a coup and get them to retract their findings. I'm assuming you disagree with them.See how your logic works?
>>968263Not him but breitbart isn’t a news source so who cares?
>>962389There will never be a civil war and people don't need your considerations Jim.You live in a fantasy world (4chan)
>>968264And the coup detat project is a flawed study that doesn't apply it's own standards to identifying coups - but that doesn't stop people on /news/ from posting it every time like some kind of magical "I win the argument" button.
>>968263Let's first see some cohesion among themhttps://www.insider.com/breitbart-workers-clash-over-trumps-role-capitol-riot-daily-beast-2021-1
>>968269I'm sorry but a few things:1) Can you show me where in this article from Insider that Breitbart employees are calling 1/6 a coup or insurrection? All your article shows is they can't agree if they should like or hate Trump.2) Since you want me to contact the coup-de-tat-project and tell them to fix their flawed study, will you be contacting Breitbart and tell them to call 1/6 a coup? 3) You've asked me more than a couple of times to contact the coup-de-tat-project and tell them to correct their results. Why is it my responsibility to contact them? Why isn't it simply your responsibility to check your own sources before posting?And finally,4) What credible threat was there and what illegal means did the 1948 communists use besides speech?
>>968263>>968268>>968274Did you read the article? It's just internal discussion over if the January 6th coup should be labeled a coup and then pushing their agenda that wikipedia has a leftward bias.Breitbert doesn't go in depth to justify why it shouldn't be labeled a coup.So you're operating entirely on bad faith.
>>968275>Did you read the article?Yes.>? It's just internal discussion over if the January 6th coup should be labeled a coupNowhere in the article does it show Breitbarters debating if it was or wasn't a coup. In fact the word coup isn't used at all. "Employees at the conservative, pro-Trump outlet Breitbart News argued over the extent of Trump's role in last week's insurrection at the US Capitol, according to The Daily Beast."> and then pushing their agenda that wikipedia has a leftward bias.Wikipedia does have a leftward bias, but we can talk about that in another thread.>Breitbert doesn't go in depth to justify why it shouldn't be labeled a coup.They did in the other article that I posted.FYI the only reason why I brought Breitbart into this was due to that anon trying to put it on me for why his sources are useless. I really don't give a damn about Breitbart, but if it's my responsibility to correct left-wing sources then he should be responsible to correct right-wing sources. Or he can just post good sources.
>>968298Why are you now deflecting from the article you posted?
>>968311Oh it's you again. Let me know when you want to answer any of my earlier questions.
>>968298>Wikipedia does have a leftward bias, but we can talk about that in another thread.Reality has a leftward bias. Wikipedia reflects this.
>opinion article about an opinion "film" by Tucker, a fox opinion show>300 posts about arguing dictionary definition of the word "coup"
>>968319Blame the left. They still insist that the 1/6th riots were an insurrection attempt at destroying the very concept of democracy, while at the same time downplaying their 2020 "fiery but peaceful" "summer of love" protests despite the overwhelmingly higher number of damage, arsons, assaults, rapes, shootings and murders.>in befor 93% were peaceful, the rest were boogaloo boys ... BUT HOW DARE YOU MAKE OUR MASTERS FEEL BAD
>>968413Not sorry that a coup to overthrow the US government is worse than a Summer of protests were 94% of them were entirely peaceful and most of the rest were false flag ops by the right wing.
>>968458>Not sorry that a coup to overthrow the US governmentNot a coup.>is worse than a Summer of protests25 dead, $2 billion in property damage, thousands of arsons - but keep trying to convince everyone that 1/6 was worse than 9/11 and Pearl Harbor.>were 94% of them were entirely peaceful and most of the rest were false flag ops by the right wing.Called it.
>>968413>the 1/6th riots were an insurrection attempt at destroying the very concept of democracyCorrect.>whatabout...Every time. You retards are a broken record.
>>968472Your own shitty coup-experts source can't prove it was one because they lumped in other events that were clearly not coups and nobody here can explain why.>whatabout...>Every time.>it's only okay when WE do it
>>968478>something I am ranting about in another threadOkay anon. I observed your unhinged rant yesterday but was not following it then or now.Was the insurrection on Jan 6th an attempt to stop democracy aka a coup? Yes it was. Dialate and cope.
>>968482>Was the insurrection on Jan 6th an attempt to stop democracy aka a coup?Nope. Not by the standards of your "experts" and not by the standards of reasonable people.
>>968483>Was the insurrection on Jan 6th an attempt to stop democracy aka a coup?Yeah, it was. By the standards of “experts” and by normal people. The far right looms on the other hand desperately want to build a counter narrative.
>>968486>Yeah, it was. By the standards of “experts” and by normal people.FBI says you're wrong ;)
>>968470Yes, it was a coup.And the end of US democracy from a single day is much more damaging to America.Also you sound very upset that the cited numbers are against you, just want to sweep those false flags under the rug?
>>968506>Yes, it was a coup.No guns. Not a coup.>B-but muh coup-de-tat-projectCan't follow it's own metrics on defining coups, even includes non-violent commies as attempts. Not a reliable source.>And the end of US democracy from a single day is much more damaging to America.And this was going to be accomplished how?>Also you sound very upset that the cited numbers are against youReally? Because last I checked there were at least 250 arsons in Minneapolis/St. Paul alone - but hey I'm sure you've got more reliable sources than me so by all means share what you have. >just want to sweep those false flags under the rug?>muh boogaloo boys rioted the whole country all at onceLeftists are like women, they can't take any responsibility.
>>968510One of the dudes who was arrested admitted to bringing a firearm for the express purpose of assassinating Nancy Pelosi. So guess you can’t use the “no guns” excuse anymore. What’s your next cope?
>>968515You mean that one boomer who dropped his pistol during a shoving match with security outside the building and then reported it stolen?
>>968515Just admit he would have been doing all of us a favor and power can transfer just fine without pelosi
>>968510>the violent attempt to pull off a coup failed because it was retarded therefore it wasn’t a coup.Retards try and fail to do stupid shit every day.>must have guns!What? Where is that codified? In your mind alone anon.
>>968524>What? Where is that codified?Scroll up about 200 posts and you'll see we've already covered this in detail.
>>968529Uhhhh, no. Guns are not required for an attempted coup. Cope.
>>968533Hasn't been a successful coup attempt without guns in the last 100 years. Dilate.
>>968533Not him but do you ever shut up with your coup shit? The 65% of Americans that aren't brain dead media consoomers can plainly see the comparison between January 6th and the BLM riots..The vast majority of those around the jan 6 riot and the BLM riots were uninvolved people who had nothing to do with it, a smaller percent were participating in the mob of rioters, and only a very small handful of people were actually there to begin with for bad purposes
>>968534True. And yet another one by violent rightist retards failed on Jan 6th.Cope sweetie.
>>962235Care to clue us in to how it is in any way fascist? If you go by the simple definition of fascism Carlson and republicans are the opposite of fascist. And the liberal way of thinking is more in line with fascism. >centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leaderdemocrat>severe economic and social regimentationdemocrat>forcible suppression of oppositiondemocrat
>>968535Why would you think I disagreed with this?Nobody said that 100% of the people at the MAGA rally before the coup attempt were in on the event.
>>968538>>centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader>trumpkins>>severe economic and social regimentation>trumpkins>>forcible suppression of opposition>trumpkinsWe get it, you are shilling, or supporting for free, your corporatist leaders for continued domination.
>>968534Did anyone say it was successful?
>>968510>No guns. Not a coup.1. Where is there an official definition that you need guns to stage a coup2. You're behind the curve >>967108This is where you move the goalposts and now claim some arbitrary number is needed.
>>968755>1. Where is there an official definition that you need guns to stage a coupThere is none. That poster has been living on howtocope.com.