>https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57426579A woman who lost her job after saying that people cannot change their biological sex has won an appeal against an employment tribunal.Maya Forstater, 47, did not have her contract renewed after posting tweets on gender recognition.She lost her original case at a tribunal in 2019, but a High Court judge ruled her "gender-critical" beliefs fell under the Equalities Act.The appeal said the tribunal had erred in law and another should take place.Ms Forstater, from St Albans in Hertfordshire, did not have her contract renewed at the think tank Center for Global Development (CGD) in March 2019, after posting a series of tweets questioning government plans - which were later scrapped - to let people declare their own gender.She claimed she was discriminated against because of her beliefs, which include "that sex is immutable and not to be conflated with gender identity".In the initial tribunal employment judge James Tayler said that her approach was "not worthy of respect in a democratic society".He concluded that Ms Forstater was "absolutist" in her view and said she was not entitled to ignore the rights of a transgender person and the "enormous pain that can be caused by misgendering".>continued
>>866389But the Honourable Mr Justice Choudhury said her "gender-critical beliefs" did fall under the Equalities Act as they "did not seek to destroy the rights of trans persons".Ms Forstater said she was "delighted to have been vindicated" but CGD said the decision was a "step backwards for inclusivity and equality for all".In a video statement, Ms Forstater said: "I'm proud of the role I've played in clarifying the law and encouraging more people to speak up".Amanda Glassman, executive vice president of CGD, said: "The decision is disappointing and surprising because we believe Judge Tayler got it right when he found this type of offensive speech causes harm to trans people, and therefore could not be protected under the Equality Act."Today's decision is a step backwards for inclusivity and equality for all."Maya Forstater won her case because the Employment Appeal Tribunal concluded that her belief that biological sex is real, important and immutable met the legal test of a genuine and important philosophical position that is protected under the UK's equality laws.The test for such a protection was that her belief touched on an important part of human life, would be accepted by others and - this is the important bit - could not be shown to be a direct attempt to harm others.The appeal panel found that while her words were offensive to some, they fell far short of the violent and oppressive views of "Nazism or totalitarian". There was not even any evidence that she had harassed anyone at work.Where does this leave employers? Equality and employment law require them to recognise and uphold the rights of all in the workplace.Ms Forstater's speech and beliefs are protected - but so are the rights of trans people. And if speech crosses the line from an honestly held belief to bullying, attacks and intimidation, then the scales very obviously tip in favour of protecting the victim.>continued
>>866390Mr Justice Choudhury acknowledged that some transgender people would be disappointed by this judgement, but said it had not "expressed any view on the merits of either side of the transgender debate".The judgement does not mean "that those with gender-critical beliefs can 'misgender' trans persons with impunity", he added.And he said it does not mean "that employers and service providers will not be able to provide a safe environment for trans persons".CGD said it was considering various paths forward with its lawyers and said it disputed Ms Forstater's version of events.The sole issue considered by the appeal tribunal was whether the original tribunal had been wrong not to consider Ms Forstater's views as a philosophical belief protected by the Equality Act.Other matters of the case, such as her employment status or whether she was discriminated against, would have to be decided at a fresh tribunal.Baroness Falkner, chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, said there was a difference between holding a belief and how it was expressed.She said: "Some may see the beliefs of others as questionable or controversial, but people must be free to hold them."This is why this case is so important.">continued
>>866391Monica Kurnatowska, employment partner at law firm Baker McKenzie, said the ruling meant that "individuals are entitled not to be discriminated against because of gender critical beliefs... and gives those beliefs the same legal protection as religious beliefs, environmental beliefs and ethical veganism"."Employers will be watching closely for any guidance on how to handle employee conflict fairly and lawfully, while respecting the rights of all involved," she added.Lui Asquith, director of legal and policy at Mermaids, a charity that supports transgender, non-binary and gender-diverse children and young people, said: "This is not the win anti-trans campaigners will suggest in the coming days."We, as trans people, are protected by equality law and this decision in the Maya Forstater case does not give anyone the right to unlawfully harass, intimidate, abuse or discriminate against us because we are trans."Ms Forstater's case gained public attention, including some high-profile supporters such as Harry Potter author JK Rowling and presenter Jonathan Ross.>end
I don't really enjoy spending time with trans people. I also don't like hanging out with Mexicans. I love hanging out with black people, Asians and Slavic people. I hate old people, kids are great, anyone wearing an Independent shirt driving a lifted truck deserves a painful death. I would never ever ever say these things with my fucking name attached to it. some people are stupid as shit and think their opinions matter. politicians especially, if they had any sense they would never say a word.
Trannies are mentally ill gays. They shouldn't be enabled, they should be in actual therapy.
>>866389Looks like trans people have to take justice into their own hands again.
>>866430>Trannies are mentally ill gaysBbbut...gays are mentally ill heterosexuals?
>>866430>they should be in actual therapy.that's how they get a proscription for hormones dummy
>>866389>"enormous pain that can be caused by misgendering".Pain is subjective.I hereby declare that I am in constant subjective unverifiable pain 24/7 and that this makes me the most oppressed person on the planet therefore everyone has to give me special treatment. Prove me wrong.
British feminists are more obnoxious than trannies could ever be.
>>866560Actual, psychiatric help, and drugs to treat the underlining issues, like depression, autism, and sex addictions. Everyone knows these "gender affirming" doctors are just rubber stamps to get anything the patient wants. Or has been groomed to say to their doctor.
>>866789you're not screaming and convulsing uncontrollably
>>866389>A woman who lost her job after saying that people cannot change their biological sexShe didn't lost her job, her contract was not renewed. Not the same thing.
>>866430Most of the medical boy and science studies disagree with you.
>>866914You mean kikes?
>>866886The way people express pain is also subjective.
>>866914I hear and see people claim this, but can you share the studies? I'll read their research myself if you share them.
>>866444>Looks like trans people have to take justice into their own hands again.Are you saying people can change their biological sex?
>>866430This, except psychology is compromised so therapists are either useless humanitarians or actual commissars. >Crossdressing people afraid of reflective surfaces who routinely attempt suicide = ok, buy a gun>People who own a video game console = deranged, antisocial potential criminals who should be denied access to any dangerous object without second opinion https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/addictive-behaviours-gaming-disorderCheesy as it may sound, best suggestion for trans is outdoor time, offline social life, excercise, discipline, responsibility, and promoting situations that provide opportunities for developing these things. Faith in something too, possibly. Same for gaming addicts come to think of it
I don't need any study or group of people to tell me what sex someone is.. It's declared at birth.. That's it.. Boy can think he is a girl. Boy can try to change into a girl.. Boy is still a boy..
>>866990Wt about someone with xxy chromosones and a dick and a vagina? Surely you must realise its not always black and white?
>>867039The existence of deformities does not mean that arms and legs are the same thing.
>>866913>contract wasn’t renewedWell, that’s the nice way of saying, “you’re fired!”. It’s in the same vein as shitty employers who don’t put you on schedule for two weeks.
>>866988>Therapists are wrong because I don't agree with them!
>>867039Then they are intersex, and not the same as someone with an XY chromosome pairing.You might be here trying to go HURR SHADES OF GREY, but those shades have fucking names and Pewter Grey is not the same as Ash Grey.
>>866789This sort of shit really bothers the fuck out of me. As a straight, white male I've been told that any emotional reaction to slights or insults aimed at my identity are meaningless, trivial, merely words, etc. I am supposed to control and own my emotional reaction, to "suck it up," "get over it," etc. If someone says "White boys should be shot in the head" and I say "Hey, not cool" then that's "white/male fragility" in action.But then apparently everyone else is allowed to be weak, irrational and emotional children who break down in tears at a harsh word. And somehow that's not fragility? And then these bastards want me to believe in equality. If you're so fucking equal to me, then why can't you suck it up, buttercup? I think you're weak and pathetic and not even remotely my equal. My equals don't have to beg for special treatment and handicapping. My equals don't rely on me to hold back and restrain myself to compete.
>>867258>White boys should be shot in the headNo one ever said that to you unless you were down in the hood buying your supply of crack or fetanyl and you tried to rip them off.
>>867258These people are not the majority.
people who's feelings are hurt by words are pussies
>>867262Obviously not, but they are the elites and they do control institutions with social power, including the power to shape laws and policies.
there's three levels of anti-white sentiment1. white people should be shot- deranged people with no power who are occasionally tolerated in progressive environments even if they are deranged2. white people are inherently racist due to their whiteness or something- deranged people who actually do have some minor power insofar as they run DEI initiatives for corporations and governments- also exercise power by acting as voices of moral authority in progressive environments- most liberals quietly think these people are deranged but try to say it out loud3. white privilege exists and white people benefit from systemic racism- basically in power everywhere left of center
>>8672683 is also deranged, white people are already racially discriminated against in education and their careers for not being "diverse", government policy routinely denied social welfare and federal assistance to white people in favor of minorities, often with a very spurious basis, yet they continue to scrape the barrel for more excuses to levy more perks, special privileges and entitlements for themselves
>>867268Jews are white when they sell this propaganda but not white when the effects are felt. 2% of the population, controls all of hollywood, television, wall street, federal reserve, hedge funds, blackrock, biden's cabinet, advertising agencies, facebook, youtube, radio, news, porn, fashion, literally everything, even fucking china. /pol's/ razor
>>866389Good. She's won. But at what cost.
>>866430>gaysActually, nowadays the vast majority of them are straight ('transbians' and the incel-to-trans pipeline).
>>867258This.I was harassed in school for being the HFA kid and learned to suck it up and not let words get to me when I was fucking six years old. Now these pathetic weak shits who still can't handle MUH MEAN WORDZ in their adult years want me to view them as my equal.Equality is a lie. A myth to appease the masses. Simply look around you and you will see the lie for what it is.
>>868558I feel the exact same as this. Whenever I had a problem when I was younger, I was told , "Toughen up, the world doesn't give a shit if you are weird. It won't change for you, so must learn to live with it." And now? What the FUCK? Instead of becoming toughened to the world, I could have just been a pussy and everything would have bent over for me? I hate the current state of things.
>>868560only if the relevant politician, legal firm farms, schools, and tax-free orgs say so, kinda like that case in the South with that black girl being paraded around to "PROVE" that said regions are no longer racist and its safe to live/work/school/religion there.
Way too little way too late.
>>866886Neither are trannies
>>867238Therapists are wrong because they always work from a meta level because thought is not actually understood, What they really are is mental construct hackers who know very little about actual brains. They will just force a construct into your mind more likely to produce endorphins. Or give you a pill to the same effect.
>>872217Why do Americans use 'therapists'? Honest question. Isn't it more efficient to see a psychiatrist? They know more about mental issues and which drugs work on what etc.
>>872800Therapists are used by most people as the role of the therapist (in most cases) is to be an impartial 3rd party who helps you work through any issues or big decisions you have to make. Two years ago I had to make a really big career choice and saw a therapist for solely this reason - I had heard what friends and family had to say on the topic but I wanted someone who is completely unbiased to weigh in on the choice. Generally, you only see a psychiatrist after you have been diagnosed with a mental illness that requires chemical treatment. Normally you can only see one after you have first gone to a therapist (psychologist) who will then diagnose you and refer you on to them.
>>872816>diagnosed with a mental illness that requires chemical treatmentSo all of them?