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Since the release of the Department of Defense’s “2020 China Military Power Report” this past September, much has been made of China’s securing the title of the “world’s largest navy.” Indeed, the United States Office of Naval Intelligence has confirmed that the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) has surpassed the United States Navy in total battle force ships, approximately 360 to 297, with future projections expecting the gap to grow. By 2025, the PLAN is predicted to field as many as 400 vessels whereas the United States plans only to field 355. Quantitative discussions of this sort have fostered an increasing level of hysteria in the U.S. media and even parts of its foreign policy and defense establishments.

What such discussions fundamentally misunderstand about the two fleets, however, are the major differences in force structure as well as the incomparable regional ally differential maintained by the United States. In fact, most discussions about the size of the PLAN inflate its surface warship fleet by including either small coastal patrol ships or its amphibious transports and landing ships.

In order of descending size, the PLAN’s surface force is comprised of two aircraft carriers, one cruiser, 32 destroyers, 49 frigates, 37 corvettes, and 86 missile-armed coastal patrol ships. In addition, China’s submarine fleet includes 46 diesel-powered attack submarines, six nuclear-powered attack submarines, and four ballistic missile submarines. This is further supplemented by the China Coast Guard, which fields roughly 255 coastal patrol ships. In sum, China has a surface warship fleet of 121 vessels, a submarine fleet of 56 platforms, and another 341 coastal patrol ships.

https://thediplomat.com/2021/04/yes-china-has-the-worlds-largest-navy-that-matters-less-than-you-might-think/
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For its part the United States Navy boasts a surface fleet of 11 aircraft carriers, 92 cruisers and destroyers, and 59 small surface combatants and combat logistics ships. Its submarine fleet is comprised of 50 attack submarines, 14 ballistic missile submarines, and four cruise missile submarines. As such, the United States maintains a surface fleet of about 162 vessels, depending on the inclusion of its small combatants and combat logistics ships, and a submarine fleet of 68 platforms.

Here we clearly see that talk of China’s massive navy is rather out of proportion. It should be noted that China’s fleet relies disproportionately on smaller classes of ships, like the frigate and corvette, which are widely considered not to be major surface combatants. Even still, the bulk of its numbers advantage comes from its coastal patrol ships which, while not insignificant, have limited capacity to project power beyond China’s near seas. Further, the United States maintains a massive carrier advantage. Wherever one falls on the debate over the continued viability of aircraft carriers, the fact remains that both states are interested in producing them.

urity ethos has placed emphasis on “making allies pay their fair share,” it’s a rather paradoxical initiative.

For reference, China’s single formal ally – North Korea – maintains a handful of submarines and coastal patrol vessels. In contrast, the United States has formal military alliances with six Indo-Pacific states – Australia, Japan, New Zealand, the Philippines, South Korea, and Thailand. Moreover, many regional powers – notably India, Indonesia, Singapore, Taiwan, and Vietnam – maintain ever-deepening security relationships with the United States due precisely to concerns over potential threats from China.
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While the United States does remain the primary guarantor of security for states such as Japan and South Korea, they are by no means helpless. Indeed, the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force maintains one of the largest surface fleets in the world, containing 51 major surface combatants. Likewise, South Korea’s naval forces total 23 major warships, with eyes on major expansions. Nonetheless, the role of allied fleets goes largely unmentioned in U.S. national security discourse.

All this is not to say that the United States should neglect its naval forces. Far from it, the United States Navy is arguably the most important day-to-day component of the U.S. military on the international stage. Rather, I would encourage a greater degree of skepticism toward distinct force goals. It would likely serve U.S. interests better to shift focus towards modernizing current platforms and investing in developing new systems.

American analysts and commentators would do well to remember that the United States is not alone in its concerns about the expansion of the China’s navy. That calls for the massive enlargement of the United States Navy, notably to 500 vessels, seldom acknowledge the potential roles and contributions of allies is startling.
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Sounds like pure cope. Not long ago, Americans were claiming that China would never have the largest navy because reasons and here we are.
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>>821535
quality over quantity chang
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>>821546
Your navy is full of gay black women, philipinos and mexicans lmao
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>>821535
theres no doubt that the chinese have the capacity to one day surpass the american navy, but right now they have a limited force projection because the majority of their navy's combat vessels are green water vessels
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>>821555
and yet still they're more masculine than chinese """men""" lmao
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who gives a shit
navies are antiquated and irrelevant
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>>821428
>the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) has surpassed the United States Navy in total battle force ships, approximately 360 to 297, with future projections expecting the gap to grow. By 2025, the PLAN is predicted to field as many as 400 vessels whereas the United States plans only to field 355
Yet another drumpf FAILure. Loser was sucking Chinese cock while they built an armada.

Once again, Democrats have one more repugnicon clusterfuck to clean up.
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>>821535
>Americans were claiming that China would never have the largest navy
*citations required

Let's see the names of the people who said that, when they said it, and their exact words in context.
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>>821555
>World War Three
>Chinkese Bugaloo
>Ameriga sends fleets of angry, gay, black women
>bugland vanishes from history
Now all your base are belong to angry, gay, black women. It's ogre. (You) had a good run, Chang.

F
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>>821535
10 years ago, Obama was pwning Romney on the debate stage for whining about our Navy's alleged shortcomings.
Battleships are as obsolete as horses and bayonets kiddo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV1VUS3Q2W0
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>>821560
An anon with a brain arrives.

What he fails to mention is the enormous difference in capability and power, especially that which is granted by the US' phenomenal aircraft carriers that are akin to fucking starships on water, compared to a flotilla of floating potatoes fielded by the PLA.
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>>821565
Global Rule No. 2:
You must be 18 years of age or older to access this website.
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>>821588
The largest, most capable, most modern, and basically the ONLY Chinese aircraft carrier is a Soviet-era obsolete diesel-powered discard that the Russians threw in the trash bin after the USSR fell apart, then sold it to China. 10,000 bugs then spent several years polishing it up and retro-fitting it with Chinese parts. It's the centerpiece jewel of their fleet.

Even so, it's a frightening amount of firepower that greatly increases their force projection in the region.

>>821565
>navies are antiquated and irrelevant
Seriously ... you are amazingly retarded.
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Row boats don’t count, General Tso
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>>821428
>>821535

Yeah, sure.

During the last Cold War, there was a "Missile Gap" with Russia, that turned out to be pure fearmongering fiction.
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>>821588
>An anon with a brain arrives.
>What he fails to mention is the enormous difference in capability and power, especially that which is granted by the US' phenomenal aircraft carriers that are akin to fucking starships on water, compared to a flotilla of floating potatoes fielded by the PLA.

Hypersonic missiles rendered aircraft carriers obsolete like 15 years ago.
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>>821555
And yet chang is still dying to fuck every single one of them because all you have at home is boys.
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Warships are like big fat guys.
Scary looking, but 1 bullet to the head, done.
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>>821621
Agree the Chinese are nothing to worry about
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>>821428
>CHINA CAN'T DO ANYTHING, WE RULE THE SEAS, LOOK AT OUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS
>China has the largest navy
>NAVIES DON'T MATTER

Christ, it's like watching /pol/ talk about IQ statistics until Asians and Jews are mentioned
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>>821643
Just because your ship can flout does not mean your bathtubs are real threat chang
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>>821564
Their dicks are shrinking and soon to be smaller than chinese
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the subs are the biggest threat, everything else would get opened up like tin cans in the event of an actual war
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>>821657
>Just because your ship can flout
They can also float too.
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>>821588
Yeah, so explain this.https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/the-us-could-no-longer-win-a-war-against-china/news-story/6dea70747914fa1f1984b1c2bc2502d5
The war-games revealed that the US risked “capital losses” even under current circumstances.

Capital is a reference to both capital ships, such as US Navy’s enormous nuclear-powered aircraft carriers, and forward operating bases like those at Guam and Okinawa.

“China has long-range anti-ship ballistic missiles and hypersonic [more than five times the speed of sound] missiles,” one source reportedly said.

And here's a little bit of Ameripiggy cope.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/yes-china-could-sink-us-navy-aircraft-carrier-don%E2%80%99t-bet-it-41227
You know, just to put some ice on your butthurt.
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Built with Chinese materials.....
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>>821428
Too bad you can't conquer water, or else this might actually matter
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>>821678
you can achieve naval supremacy over stretches of ocean
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>>821621
>Warships are like big fat guys.
>Scary looking, but 1 bullet to the head, done.
>>821629
>Agree the Chinese are nothing to worry about

Hey, U ass Of A big fat burgersers

We got super super duper missiles with the big boomy thingy insidey
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>>821693
So do we
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>>821428
>most discussions about the size of the PLAN inflate its surface warship fleet by including either small coastal patrol ships or its amphibious transports and landing ships.
Inflating numbers with converted fishing trollers is comparing apples to oranges. More like apple stems to oranges.
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>>821672
>please give me more billions in "defense" spending
die
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>>821613
These boomers are still fighting the soviets in their heads.
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>>821678
Which is why China is building islands.
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>>821678
Do you think you get your imports delivered by Amazon Automated Aircarriers?
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Friendly reminder that while China is removing it's minorities and turning the PRC into a Han ethnostate, America became 53% white.......three years ago. It's almost over.

Spreadsheet with the official data: https://mega.nz/file/rd5BxayZ#iHa3evT9PPqmVQ5rTHaHltl1fTU1oVxML0bJBW1Hd4E
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>>821672
>https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/the-us-could-no-longer-win-a-war-against-china/news-story/6dea70747914fa1f1984b1c2bc2502d5
>The Centre for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) think-tank in Washington has been

Think-tank lobbies for more funding for an already bloated military that funnels money into the hands of private companies, who in turn provide senators and congressionalists with fat cheques.

I'm not an American. I don't like American imperialism, nor the anti-intellectualism that pervades American society, nor do I like American militarism. I am not, however, deluded as to the US' capability to win a war. They are indomitable, save outside of a few scenarios (e.g. Taiwan, where they cannot force project a few hundred km's from the Chinese mainland).

America would not lose a war. They are indestructible militarily. The only thing that will crush America is internal dissent and fracture, nothing more.
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>>821784
So the only thing that will crush America is exactly what would happen if they went to fullscale war, when the racially-charged populace divided amongst every possible faction has its bread and circuses rudely interrupted by war shortages because you can't fund a fucking welfare state in open conflict.

Great imput champ. Just fucking spot on. Dat's a spicy memeball.
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>>821694
>So do we
By time Ol' sleepy uncle Joe remember nuclear codes, you be big fat cooked burgers.

We put some soy-sauce on youse and yummy
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>>821694
I thought the hypersonic missiles were a Russian invention. Did you copy the Ruskies? Oh my, it's the Space Race all over again. But now you're sans German Scientists and are stuck with Critical Race Theory Professors.
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>>821565
Not really. We have to have somewhere to put all of the homos who enlist.
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>>821782

It seems like people never acknowledge this. When you mix a population you get regression towards the mean - America's average IQ has been in sharp decline as a result whereas a country that values its people will try to conserve its intelligent individuals (or in China's case, deliberately breed more of them via gene banks)

The declining IQ problem in America simply cannot be reversed. You cannot throw money at it later to fix the problem. The core ideology of America needs to accept that INTELLIGENCE IS GENETIC and accept the ramifications of that reality or we will fall off the world's stage permanently, crippled by our own low IQ population.
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>>821565
Jesus Christ, WE DON'T DO OUR TRADING IN THE AIR YOU FUCKWIT, WE SEND THEM ON SHIPS. NOT STARSHIPS YOU DENSE DIPSHIT, THE ONES THAT FLOAT ON FUCKING WATER, YOU KNOW WHAT WATER IS RIGHT? YOU SHOULD, YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH OF IT ON THE BRAIN

This really is the stupidest fucking board.
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>>821812
>The core ideology of America needs to accept that INTELLIGENCE IS GENETIC
Intelligence is widely acknowledged as 50% genetic. Generalised Intelligence tests are regarded as the benchmark for intelligence mensuration. China does not have "gene banks" like some Gattaca IRL program. Why is general population-level IQ the key determinant in success, and not IQ of elites who make decisions and create policy?
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>>821808

US developed the tech then Hillary Clinton sanctioned the sale of the tech while Secretary of State. Trouble is that what Russia bought wasn't quite the tech. Good ol' switcharoo, fuck you diplomacy. China's proly bought that same tech, but the US only sells shit it doesn't really need.
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>>821565
The only military branch that isn't antiquated is the space force
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>>821586
You may not realize this, but as someone who is marginally less of an idiot than you, navies protect supply lines.
They don't win any wars what they do is they stop you from losing one
Oceanic shipping is a critical part of international supply lines. If you can cripple a nation's shipping line, you can cripple that nation's war effort along with a considerable portion of their economy... This is of course, assuming we're talking about a country that actually utilizes oceanic imports or exports on a large scale, such as the United States does
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>>821818
Cargo ships drive themselves. Submersible drones are the future of the Navy just as drone swarms are the future of the Air Force.
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>>821812
>>821822
I somewhat disagree with both of your premises (too tired to explain in detail). The real problem America has is that it is egalitarian at it's core (even the constitution is full of virtue signalling and similar bullshit). A WASP who's been in America for 10 generations and Jorge Gonzalez who's been in the country for 10 years are not the same thing at all (not just in terms of talent or aptitude but in terms of interests and behavior as well), yet American society with all of it's fanatic egaliterianism insists it is and persecutes anyone who says otherwise.

Either way, America is done for. You can't be nor remain a superpower with a majority black/brown population. Not even an officially anti-egalitarian country or society could. It's simply impossible and for many reasons.
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>>821822

Because at some point elites need to do something about their growing hordes of unintelligent cattle. They become increasingly more expensive as their intelligence falls beneath a certain level.

Maybe this is why we've seen massive viral culls lately? Their solution might simply be to kill the populace.

Perhaps it's cheaper than trying to find niches for 70-IQ individuals who shit in the street.
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>>821860
>logistics as key to winning wars
Correct. The ignorance most people have about the role logistics and communications play in armed struggles is quite widespread. People fantasize and focus on the romantic notion of strategy and tactics as being paramount but their success no matter how brilliant will fail w/o logistics, communications and command and control lines backing them up. That's why the white nationalists/supremacists look like such clowns when they fever dream a long term insurrection against the US Military.
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>>821868
>Either way, America is done for
in your dreams chang
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>>822044
Explain how America will remain a superpower while having the demography of Venezuela and having a smaller than GDP than China (China's economy will surpass America's within 5-10 years, in case you didn't know).

I'm all ears.
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>>822061
you want me to explain a scenario based on your flawed future predictions? are you retarded? the US still gets the best and brightest from all over the world. no one is lining up to work in china, which can't innovate; only steal. china is going to get crushed by the US and its allies and it only has itself to blame.
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>>822061
>having the demography of Venezuela
This means nothing.

>having a smaller than GDP than China (China's economy will surpass America's within 5-10 years, in case you didn't know)
China has a billion more people than the U.S. and a drastically lower standard of living. China has a manufacturing economy based primarily on the technology developed in the U.S. The top scientists and engineers all over the world come to the U.S. to go to school and to work. There's no feasible universe in which these roles will reverse and the U.S. will somehow become subservient to Chinese innovation. Without the U.S. and other western countries leading the world in technological advancement all of their low-skilled slave wage manufacturing labor will mean nothing. How is it you speak so confidently about a topic you know nothing about.
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>>822142
>US still gets the best and brightest from all over the world
The only people trying to immigrate to the US are uneducated latin american migrants who may be the brightest compared to the average mutt, but they're only best at doing the manual labor mutts are too weak and lazy to do. Remember when Trump offered white Europeans fast track immigration and everyone in Europe rolled on the ground laughing before saying, "No fucking thanks!"

Also, a good friend of mine is the head of the statistics department at a major US university and he said the graduate program is 90%+ Asian and Indian Nationals. Mutts can't cut the mustard anymore.
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>>822151
>The only people trying to immigrate to the US are uneducated latin american migrants
You clearly know absolutely nothing about the American economy.

>Also, a good friend of mine is the head of the statistics department at a major US university and he said the graduate program is 90%+ Asian and Indian Nationals. Mutts can't cut the mustard anymore.
What kind of miigrants do you think can afford to make the international move to another country to go to school? Immigrants who were already rich, you dipshit. Wanna know which immigrant group is one of the most educated in the entire U.S., more than the U.K. and England? Subsaharan Africans. Even white European mutts can't cut the mustard anymore, apparently.
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some things to consider before dismissing china:
-years ago china had nuclear cruise missiles on small ships shadowing us aircraft carriers
-china reverse engineered stealth technology from captured us drones
-a year or two ago instead of going for fireworks china put on a impressive synchronized drone display for new years
-machine learning has advanced a lot, when combined with databases of 3d models of us forces there is a lot of launch and forget smart targeting drones could do
-smart clouds of small air drones could make things difficult for one force while automatically getting out of the way of their own forces
-numbers win wars...
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>>821860
our oceanic imports are from China anyway so it's a moot point.
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>>822163
i would be more worried about china if they didn't piss off basically every single nation on earth. you need allies in a globalized world and their expansionist policies and economic coercion doesn't sit well with most. countries will remember that if war ever breaks out between the US and china.
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>>822156
>What kind of miigrants do you think can afford to make the international move to another country to go to school? Immigrants who were already rich, you dipshit.
They go back to their home countries to apply their knowledge and expand on it, Cletus. The US became a confirmed banana republic under Trump and no one with any education wants to immigrate here nowadays.
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>>822177
despite the jews pushing the one child thing on them they are recovering and soon africa and australia will be part of the chinese empire, meanwhile jews will have weakened the us, canada, and europe.
china is patient
and most importantly china is the only culture to have deceit idolized as a winning characteristic much as the jews
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>>822142
>you want me to explain a scenario based on your flawed future predictions?
Not "flawed future predictions", facts. America will soon have the demography of Venezuela, that's a fact (see the link above). China will soon have a larger economy than the US, that's also a fact (look it up).

But I'm not surprised that you would use a cop out like that.

>the US still gets the best and brightest from all over the world. no one is lining up to work in china
That's wrong.

>no one is lining up to work in china, which can't innovate; only steal
Wrong again. Check science and patent rankings.

>china is going to get crushed by the US and its allies and it only has itself to blame.
LOL
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>>822150
>This means nothing.
Desperate cope. It means everything, demography is destiny. India has over 1.3 billion brown people and look how "powerful" they are. Even with their made up econ stats (a fact that even Western medias acknowledge) they basically have the economy of France with it's 65 million (exactly 20 times less) people lol. And those are, again, undeniably massively manipulated numbers. Realistically, India has a smaller economy than France.

>China has a billion more people than the U.S. and a drastically lower standard of living.
I've actually been to China a few years ago and I don't think their standard of living was drastically lower than the one of the US. And you know, being surrounded by niggers and spics isn't what I could call having a high standard of living.

>China has a manufacturing economy based primarily on the technology developed in the U.S. The top scientists and engineers all over the world come to the U.S. to go to school and to work. There's no feasible universe in which these roles will reverse and the U.S. will somehow become subservient to Chinese innovation.
Check science and patent rankings.

Btw since the 1980s half of American patents, weren't actually American.

You'll love these articles:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/business/1987/03/17/half-of-us-patents-granted-to-foreigners/0e75b572-243b-401e-8627-3977a40d84a8/
https://www.inc.com/jeremy-quittner/foreign-patents-and-united-states-innovation.html

And these too:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-un-patents-idUSKCN2AU0TM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-patents-idUSKBN21P1P9

>>822156
>he thinks subsaharan Africans will save the US
TOP FUCKING KEK. But I'm glad that you believe so, because there are fucktons of subsaharan migrants coming to the US: https://i.imgur.com/a8ZOnAy.jpg

I hope you like African food and music lol.
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>>822177
>worried about china if they didn't piss off basically every single nation on earth
The only countries saber rattling about China are client countries subservient to their feudal lord, the US. The last 4 years of the foolish xenophobic US trade war and geopolitical policy allowed China to confidently expand and solidify it's international trade and geopolitical influence while the US retracted it's head into its fragile shell. I know it's obvious Trump was a Russian puppet but you have to wonder if Xi didn't own him like a little bitch too.
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>>822177
>i would be more worried about china if they didn't piss off basically every single nation on earth.

Except the entirety of Africa, with all the resources to boot. Belt and Road anon, it's doing a lot more to curry favour with developing nations than Americans slapping amy bases all over and sending over troops who proceed to then commit crimes such as raping Japanese kids.
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>>821865
>Cargo ships drive themselves

And that means they're impossible to sink? OH NO WE CANNOT STOP THIS CAGO SHIP THAT IS IMPORT MICLOCHIP TO AMELICA THE SHIP HAS NO GWEILO ABORD, OUR GWEI-SEEKING MISSIR HAS NO TALGET!
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>>821827
>NUH UH ACKSHUALLY WE INVENTED IT
The only thing you invented in recent years was a military sign up form with the choice of sixty genders, now fuck off.
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>>822200
Bend the rice supremacist.
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>>822196
>>822200
>>822207
>>822231
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/17/half-of-chinas-rich-plan-to-move-overseas.html
bugmen think they're so clever and superior but the fact that they're able to post this kind of drivel on an american website just shows how ignorant they are. freedom will always prevail.
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>>822241
And ask Australia about what happens when the Rich Chinese set their sights on a country.
Also, do you not realize how many rich chinese have ties to the CCP.

Yoyu're literally going "Haha, your spy network is expanding!"
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>>822241
>bugmen think they're so clever and superior
They certainly are smarter and superior compared to you mutts. China will still exist in 30 years, America won't (and that's assuming America wont balkanize and literally split up into different countries in the first place).
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>>822259
if you keep repeating it maybe it will actually happen!
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>>822259
They keep at it with the gun control stuff, and the red states will insulate further and further. Now, that might seem unimportant to the average democratic American, Texas' attempt to be independant with its power fucked it up hilariously.
But has Texas made a move to rejoin the US power grid? Even just talked about it with no real intent to do anything? Or is it digging in its heels and refusing to budge? Because if they're that willing to stay isolated, that's a serious concern in regards to the future unity of the US.

And somehow I doubt the progressive liberal youth are as willing to join the US armed forces as hillbills, rednecks, and retards wanting to play IRL COD.
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>>822271
>And somehow I doubt the progressive liberal youth are as willing to join the US armed forces
I guess you haven't seen the tranny brigades.
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>>822244
the west has been taken advantage of by china for a long time partially due to them allowing themselves to be. as china has grown militarily and economically it has become more and more aggressive making other nations more antagonistic towards it.
those rich people are pretty foolish if they think nations aren't wary of china's malign influence by now. or maybe they'd rather risk having their assets seized by western nations than live under the authoritarian CCP...
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>>822237
>The only thing you invented in recent years was a military sign up form with the choice of sixty genders, now fuck off.
Fucking ZINGER!
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>>822142
>no one is lining up to work in china
only professors from harvard, stanford, mit, yale, Princeton, etc

I don't like it but it is what it is
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>>822332
>>822142
Didn't Musk move his shit to China? I mean, I know full well that someone is going to come along and start making this a discussion about how Musk is shit and blahblah, I don't give a fuck. I don't care about Musk.

My point is that here is a wealthy man doing exactly what was said isn't happening.
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>>822272
I'm sure on some planet your strategy of having 43% of your soldiers shoot themselves is impressive, but your weak link is; This is Earth.
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>>822358
Kung pow enter the fist is such a good movie.
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>>822355
Musk is a faggot who deserves the rope but there are many like him who only worship the dollar and would gladly do business with oppressive regimes while enjoying the freedoms and protections democratic nations provide. China has exploited this fact and so here we are.
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>>822371
Exactly, the poor have national pride because it's the only thing they can afford, the rich go where the money flows.
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>>821555
And yours is filled with Ping incels. I’m gonna enjoy watching the fireoekrs
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>>822191
Australia won’t give them the Iron they need to you’re wrong there. The West have Africa plenty of aid. Don’t see them bowing to them. Africa won’t do Jack for China.
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>>822207
It’s all in your head. It didn’t happen like that at all. You sound like the opposite of Qanon.
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>>822231
Belt and road isn’t actually going to plan, it development is being screwed over again and again, don’t get me started on the three gorges dam.
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>>822916
>The West have Africa plenty of aid. Don’t see them bowing to them. Africa won’t do Jack for China.

I really love this delusion among white people that Africa has forgiven them. That Africa will ever forgive them. Doesn't matter how much you give them, you'll always be the colonizers, you will always be the slavers, you will always be the child mutilators.

Always and forever.
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>>822914
Incel, cool word!
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Ships are made in China though? Good luck with that.
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>>822949
slavers=jews
child mutilators=jews
colonizers=considering south africa fair comment
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>>822916
jews control the west and push sending food to breed population and some corruption bucks at leaders
however china is actually investing in africa; jobs, business, etc.
"With this breakneck pace of urbanization comes many unprecedented economic opportunities. The IMF recently declared Africa the world’s second-fastest growing region, and many are predicting that it is well on its way to becoming a $5 trillion economy, as household consumption is expected to increase at a 3.8% yearly clip to $2.1 trillion by 2025. The attention of the world is now drifting towards Africa, with comparisons to 1990s-era China are no longer coming off as radical projections."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2019/10/03/what-china-is-really-up-to-in-africa/?sh=6b93f4d05930
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/active-trading/081315/3-reasons-why-chinese-invest-africa.asp
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>>822960
To be fair China Investing in Africa is about comparable to how the US has invested in India.. basically an attempt to encourage and exploit a prole economy
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>>822957
No.
The people who ordered these atrocities might have been Jews, and I say might have been because you know damn well that not all of them were, but the people acting out these orders were definitely ethnically British, German, French and Dutch.
We've already set the precedent that Just Following Orders is not an excuse.

And even then, it doesn't matter. Jewish or European, they had white skin. Africans don't discern the cultural heritages of the pale people who came to their land, they just simplify it and hate white people in general. Because whatever their heritages were, not one of them were kind. And a little kindness goes a long way, look at Haiti where the ruling French were massacred while the Black Haitians left German colonists alone, because it was the French brutalizing them.
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>>822964
not at all claiming it's benevolent, motivation is resources and land
but imagine for a moment the jews hadn't forced china to do the one child thing... I could easily imagine them already having established a full on country of their own in africa along with smaller enclaves seeding the rest of the continent
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>>822978
i think the British, German, French and Dutch would disown the masons and gays just like hitler did.
if Just Following Orders were not an excuse we'd need to execute every doctor that had ever performed a circumcision
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>>821583
don't tell me you've lived under a rock for the last 20 years (that is, if you're not a child) and never heard the narrative that china would collapse any day, much less industrialize, modernize, and create a navy larger than the United States
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>>822980
I've had just about enough of this show. The lack of empathy by the media, and the biggest cover up of all. I can't even defend myself on Face Book. My page restricted. I have lost friends and family over this Military intelligence Operation. I was spied upon. I had tainted titanium removed from my limb and have endured 20 years of trauma surgeries. I have all the documents and files exposing the truth and I'm completely ignored. I cry every day about all of those children sacrificed. Their blood used for Andrenochrome. The media will never expose the deep state swamp and their arrests, because then it would expose their use of this drug. The truth is about me and my 20 years of living with the most painful disease known to man called RSD/CRPS. surviving a severed artery and the experiments that these evil people did on twins back in
nazi
Germany. I am the only family member with RH- blood, my own father questioned if I was his. How would you like to find that out as an adult? I have been searching for the truth my whole life. I finally found it. These evil people in Government and Hollywood I exposed, from the Vatican on down the illuminati pyramid ,have been sacrificing children since Babylon. They intermarry and accept new demonic entities willing to do vile things in the worship of Moloch. They actually feast off human flesh & Blood. They are into organ harvesting and blood harvesting. I even have Nancy Pelosi in the underground rooms on Epstein Island. I exposed these evil demons, so they would never be able to harm another human being. These evil criminals are guilty of crimes against humanity. Bill Gates, Obama, the Clintons, George Bush, etc. This isn't even about a cold virus, it is about blood. Think back to Aides. The Red Cross was also involved. Many hospitals and medical workers including doctors and nurses. It is about the sacrificing of 66 million Christians.
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>>822992

Cool. Less Christian idiots then better for humanity.
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>>822983
Did you just compare circumcision to cutting the limbs off of kids to spur their parents to harvest the rubber faster? Ok sport, I think I know how this is going to go; you'll keep making more ridiculous comparisons and act like you don't see anything wrong with them and lead the discussion away from the original point, so I'll stop you right there and bring it back to where we got off track.

Africa fucking hates white people and the Chinese have come in with gifts like infrastructure and jobs while their memories of white people will be colonization, slavery, second-class citizenship in their own homelands, bloody revolutions against white masters, and then white people throwing food and money at them in an attempt to apologize, but instead actually just undercutting African farmers and destroying African economies by creating welfare states, and ignoring any African input on the world stage in favour of White Western voices. Whatever your claims in this regard are, whatever the true facts are, the simple fact is; this is how Africans see you and see their position with you. And it's not a good position.

So no, they won't help you, and yes, if they were to help anyone it would be China. Eagerly. Because they hate you.
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>>823005
You do realise that all of Europe isn't Belgium, right?
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>>823018
You do realize that Rhodesia wasn't run by Belgians, right?
You do realize that Apartheid South Africa wasn't run by Belgians, right?
You do realize that there's more than one reason why Africa hates white people, right?

Dance around the issue you want, there's a reason Afrricans started necklacing white people.
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>>823019
Hands were only cut off in the Congo to the best of my knowledge. I tried looking for sources of it happening en masse in Rhodesia and got nothing. Do you have a source for your claim?
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>>823021
I did not claim that the hand removal happened outside the Congo. I claimed that every white nationality that went to Africa committed atrocities. AtrocitIES. Multiple kinds from multiple colonial countries. Which leads back to the original point of Africa will never ally with white nations.

You can try and deviate and you can try and deflect and try and drag the point away from the original statement, but I'm not falling for it. If you cannot counter my claim that Africa would help China before the West (please take into consideration that during the BLM riots last year Ghana offered free citizenship to African Americans which shows exactly how they think of black and white race relations in the western world) then don't bother responding.
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>>823031
Fine. The way you started your outrage comment over the guy mentioning circumcision really made it seem like you though removing limbs was part of parcel of being a European colony. You didn't specify it only happened in one colony and just used it as a vehicle into the rest of your rant.

But let's actually discuss this topic of how Africa can move towards success. Africa realistically shouldn't ally with any nations because they will always be taken advantage of. No other nation gives a shit about Africans except their own. They only want their resources. As long as the African leaders are willing to sell out their people and resources, the continent will never advance. China isn't going to help them. Europe isn't going to help them. The middle east isn't going to help them. The Americas aren't going to help them. They may all pretend that they will, but that is just to get at cheap labor and resources. Improving the lives of the Africans beyond what is necessary for them to work more efficiently at their slave labor goes against their agenda.

The best way for Africa to succeed would be to form an African union, tell all the corrupt leaders to fuck off and begin making moves to establish Africa as an independent sphere. So long as the remain under another nations sphere of influence, they will never advance. Collectively bargain external trade deals to benefit Africa, build up a strong internal trade network, etc. They have the resources that other nations need so take advantage of that to actually better the lives of the average person instead of the political elite. With over a billion people and vast amounts of resources they only need to focus on building education and infrastructure to become a powerhouse. No other nation will do this for them. They have to do it themselves. And every selfish dickhead leader who sells out their people for personal gain needs to be removed from power and executed. That is how you improve Africa.
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>>823031
OOGA BOOGA
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>>822978
>>823005
Except modern Europeans didn't chop their hands off, they just trade with Africa with very low levels of corruption compared to China or other Africans and give them aid on top of it all. Your critical theory collective thinking, imagining the ghosts of historical crimes haunt all white people or whatever, is just plain irrational bullshit.

That said, people are not intelligent. An astute African businessman might be immune to propaganda and realize the risk of being defrauded is objectively lower with a westerner, but the majority will have irrational beliefs like you. I am pretty sure most Africans are not shrieking extremists like you, however they can be easily propagandized to hate whoever their rulers wish, as you have been. If their rulers want them to hate us and love China I am sure they will.
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>>822995
The most parsimonious explanation is LARP or shill.
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>>822061
For one, you are posting in engrish, not zhonghua hua, you insect.
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>>822191
>despite the jews pushing the one child thing on them they are recovering
the damage that caused is more pronounced every year, and there wont be any recovery from it for the next 20 years at least (nor are the any positive signs of change as the current young population was still majorly indocrinated in one child police and will not be able to afford more than one after having to take care of the four 80 year old grandparents, much akin to america's current dillema with senior reforms but with even less funding for the citizens and a bigger population)

>africa and australia will be part of the chinese empire
africa is completely powerless in the world stage, can't afford siding with china in any tangible way and westernized enough that most of its population seem to be just as wary of the chinese coalitions (and i say this as someone who has chatted with africans about the topic), their governments are just so corrupt they don't need to bother hearing their people
Australia's current strengthening of their military is for the defense of a possible chinese naval border invasion and goes against the chinese governments wishes, also the current social-political relations with china are about as strained as america's and despite the sizeable pro-china sentiment in the country, it wont be of any help to china if destabilization actually heppens

>all the other jew drivle
us post trump has been streghtening its ally relationships at record speed, to the point chinese newspaper are dedicating more than half of their international headlines to oped's equivalent to tantrums over the fact (go check the global times or the people's daily if you doubt this)



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