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>"If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy." - Bill Kristol

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-legislature-bills-state-elections-voting-rights-b2b014cc81894a50fc513168a5f1d0b8

ATLANTA (AP) — Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp drew protests Thursday as he signed into law a sweeping Republican-sponsored overhaul of state elections that includes new restrictions on voting by mail and greater legislative control over how elections are run.

Democrats and voting rights groups say the law will disproportionately disenfranchise voters of color. It is one of a wave of GOP-backed election bills introduced in states around the country after former President Donald Trump stoked false claims that fraud led to his 2020 election defeat.

President Joe Biden called such GOP efforts “un-American” and “sick” during a news conference Thursday. And a group of voter mobilization groups filed a lawsuit late Thursday in federal court in Atlanta challenging the new law.

The Republican changes to voting law in Georgia follows record-breaking turnout that led to Democratic victories in the presidential contest and two U.S. Senate runoffs in the once reliably red state.

“After the November election last year, I knew, like so many of you, that significant reforms to our state elections were needed,” said Kemp, who drew Trump’s ire after certifying Biden’s victory in Georgia.

Kemp signed the bill less than two hours after it cleared the Georgia General Assembly. The state House approved it 100-75, before the state Senate quickly agreed to House changes, 34-20. Republicans supported it, with Democrats opposed.

At his first news conference, Biden harshly criticized Republican moves to limit voting rights and vowed to do all he could with allies to stop the effort.
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“The Republican voters I know find this despicable, Republican voters, the folks outside this White House. I’m not talking about the elected officials. I’m talking about voters.” Biden said.

In Georgia, Democratic state Senate Minority Leader Gloria Butler called the efforts by Republicans “voter suppression tactics.”

“We are witnessing right now a massive and unabashed assault on voting rights unlike anything we’ve seen since the Jim Crow era,” Butler added.

As Kemp delivered his remarks he was interrupted by a commotion before a livestream of the event cut out.

Democratic state Rep. Park Cannon, who is Black, was arrested by Capitol police amid a protest after knocking on the door of the governor’s office during his remarks.

Video captured by a bystander shows Cannon, who is handcuffed with her arms behind her back, being forcibly removed from the Capitol by two officers, one on each arm. She says “where are you taking me?” and “stop” as she is taken from the building.

Cannon was charged with felony obstruction of law enforcement, punishable by one to five years in prison, and with disrupting a session of the General Assembly. She was released late Thursday night.

It wasn’t immediately known if Cannon had a lawyer who could comment.

The Georgia law requires a photo ID in order to vote absentee by mail, after more than 1.3 million Georgia voters used that option during the COVID-19 pandemic. It also cuts the time people have to request an absentee ballot and limits where ballot drop boxes can be placed and when they can be accessed.

Democratic Rep. Rhonda Burnough said the bill is based on lies told by Republicans after November’s election.

“Georgians turned out in record-breaking numbers because they could access the ballot,” Burnough said. “Lies upon lies were told about our elections in response, and now this bill is before us built on those same lies.”
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Republican Rep. Jan Jones said the provisions cutting the time people have to request an absentee ballot are meant to “increase the likelihood of a voter’s vote being cast successfully,” after concerns were raised about mail ballots not being received in time to be counted.

One of the biggest changes gives the GOP-controlled legislature more control over election administration. That has raised alarms about potential greater partisan influence.

The law replaces the elected secretary of state as the chair of the state election board with a new appointee of the legislature after Republican Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger rebuffed Trump’s attempts to overturn Georgia’s election results. It also allows the board to remove and replace county election officials deemed to be underperforming.

That provision is widely seen as something that could be used to target Fulton County, a Democratic stronghold covering most of Atlanta, which came under fire after long lines plagued summertime primary elections.

Republican Rep. Barry Fleming, a driving force in crafting the law, said that provision would only be a “temporary fix, so to speak, that ends and the control is turned back over to the locals after the problems are resolved.”

The law also reduces the timeframe in which runoff elections are held, including the amount of early voting for runoffs. And it bars outside groups from handing out food or water to people in line to vote.

The law does not contain some of the more contentious proposals floated by Republicans earlier, including limits on early voting on Sundays, a popular day for Black churchgoers to vote in “souls to the polls” events. It instead mandates two Saturdays of early voting ahead of general elections, when only one had been mandatory, and leaves two Sundays as optional.
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A lawsuit filed late Thursday in the U.S. District Court in Atlanta by three groups — New Georgia Project, Black Voters Matter Fund and Rise — challenged key provisions of the new law and said they violated the Voting Rights Act. There was no immediate response from Georgia officials.
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https://twitter.com/kendallybrown/status/1375256997533261825
Nothing says Jim Crow like a bunch of white conservatives signing a bill to suppress the black vote, while a black liberal congresswoman is arrested by white police protesting.
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>>814413
Good, good, let the hate flow through you...
FML, these two idiots.
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>>814413
>new jim crow
you said this years back and now you repeat

Explain clearly how these guidelines are jim crow?
No food to voting lines but people can bring there own food
Id for absentee voting and providing reason for application.
https://www.npr.org/2021/03/01/972631655/georgia-house-passes-elections-bill-that-would-limit-absentee-and-early-voting
The more you spam and sperg when questioned the more I get skeptical.
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>>814455
>Party heavily pushes for voter suppression laws after they lose the presidential race and both senate races.
>Target minority voters by depriving them of resources to stand in long lines created by Republican polices
>Deprive people the choice to vote conveniently and safely by heavily restricting banning mail in voting
>Even attempted to ban voting on sunday in a clear attempt to stop the Souls to the Polls program
Explain your logic how this isn't Jim Crow namefag.
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>>814457
Cuz it's about power and not about race?

Just the black folks happen to be voting for the other side. If it was the white folks, they'd be suppressing them too (and they do, insomuch as they can).

It's wrong either way, but if you keep fighting it under the delusion it has anything to do with black folks, you're just feeding their machine that says you are out to disenfranchise the white man, and thus their ranks.
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>>814458
Maybe the hope is if they can get all the racists in one box, they can throw them out.

Problem is, they become the monster they are fighting to do that, and well, that box ain't going anywhere, so much as it is a glowing, powerful box, marked "Open if you want doom's day power".
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>>814458
>Its not about blacks. It just keeps happening in their neighborhoods over and over and over again!

There comes a point when its more than a pattern.
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>>814460
Only in relation to the pattern that blacks are poor, which, granted, they help maintain by keeping all of the poor people in their place, though the system itself is designed to do that to a degree, as poor person who suddenly becomes rich without having learned how to act like a rich person, is a danger to everyone.

Which, also, their president is a fine example of - but even a better example as to why you don't try to box that shit up. Work it out, work with it, or it will end you all. Control yourself, or others will use your lack of self control to control you.
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>>814458
You know, if you keep targeting people by race because they don't vote for your side, and there is a historical precedent for it, AKA JIm Crow. People are going to correctly point out how they are similar.
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>>814464
Different motivations - not that there aren't more racists among them than ever, due to that box, but it is not the source of the fire, it is the fuel. All you do by calling voter suppression "Jim Crow" is give them more fuel.
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>>814466
>>814464
Also give every white family who has had a bad experience with or is otherwise afraid of black families, more reason to vote GOP.

If you call it what it is, on the other hand, white principal will white knight for you.
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>>814466
>>814467
>Republicans aren't target black voters
>They can just get an ID card just as easy as whites
Recent History shows otherwise
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2015/10/alabama-closes-dmvs-in-majority-of-black-belt-counties-passed-voter-id-law-in-2011.html

https://www.npr.org/2020/10/17/924527679/why-do-nonwhite-georgia-voters-have-to-wait-in-line-for-hours-too-few-polling-pl
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>>814457
>Ban voting on sunday
Not stated and was started by civil rights and race baiters
>Target minority voters by depriving them of resources to stand in long lines created by Republican polices
where does it say minorities will be more likely to eat food in polling lines?
>Deprive people the choice to vote conveniently and safely by heavily restricting banning mail in voting
show id faggot we do it for guns
You have not given evidence as these statements are from he said she said sources on the sights given

FROM NYC
"Democrats and voting rights groups have condemned such efforts, arguing that they unfairly target voters of color. They say the new law in Georgia particularly seeks to make voting harder for the state’s large Black population, which was crucial to President Biden’s triumph in Georgia in November and the success of Senators Raphael Warnock and Jon Ossoff in the January runoff elections."
They said but didn't prove just like the poll watchers
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/31/us/poll-watchers-voting.html
PROOF YOU FUCKING SHILL THAT IT IS JIM CROW. IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
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Maybe Jim Crow is what we need right now
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>>814472
Already proved it was Jim Crow, just because you're a racist defending the new Jim Crow laws doesn't change that.
Also you forgot to add, Biden called the new vote suppression laws against blacks is Jim Crow.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/03/25/its-sick-joe-biden-slams-state-gop-efforts-limit-voting-rights/7001372002/
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>>814471
And if they had all the white people who vote against them corralled into poor hoods, you don't think they wouldn't do the same?

If they are only suppressing black people because they are black, and favoring white people, you're just encouraging white folk to vote for them.

If, on the other hand, they are just suppressing anyone who votes against them...
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>>814474
So they just said it and its true. Just like last time. Well I'll read more into then.
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>>814474
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-voter-suppression-myth-11556920484
But have a question what would have the turn out been if there wasn't voter suppression and how could it have been higher?
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>>814478
>Democrats do mass mobilization in 2018 to get around Republican voter suppression
>This means voter suppression doesn't exist
>Just ignore the fact that Republicans are doubling down on voter suppression with their new Jim Crow bill.
https://apnews.com/article/bills-voting-rights-elections-coronavirus-pandemic-voter-registration-0e94844d72d2a2bf8b51b1c950bd64fc

There's also the fact that the Republican supreme court is about the gut the voting rights act.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/03/brnovich-voting-rights-act-arizona.html
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>>814479
>Minority numbers say otherwise
>Democrats said there was suppression

Laughed off. Now they say it again. I'm sensing a pattern but welcome the view point. Almost like it was race bait that can be reused to stir up shills.
But you didn't answer my question anon what should have the minority turn out been if there wasn't "voter suppression" I'll take a number.
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>>814482
>Minority overcome voter suppression laws
>This must mean there isn't voter suppression
Name the fallacy namefag.
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>Voting suppression doesn't exist says far right editoral board of murdock rag.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/election-2016-restrictive-voting-laws-numbers
https://www.npr.org/2018/10/23/659784277/republican-voter-suppression-efforts-are-targeting-minorities-journalist-says
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>>814482
You started with "thousands of armed reps intimidation at polling stations" then you switched to "dems said suppresion" just like 2018. I don't need to name a fallacies if what your point is(was) is being challenged.
>minorities overcome voter suppression
>This must mean there isn't voter suppression
No it would mean that A: it was there but didn't impact like the poll watchers
Or B:You're full of shit.
>>814487
journo says, activist says these are more allegations that I should look at but are counted by turn outs. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-voter-suppression-myth-11556920484
What did suppression do with the turn outs and what number should the turnouts have been?
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>>814487
read>>814489
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>>814489
Turns out when Conservatives install a racist fascist, it gives people reason to get out and vote.
Don't forget, even with the record turn out. Republicans rigging elections still allowed them to keep seats they should have lost.
https://apnews.com/article/9fd72a4c1c5742aead977ee27815d776

More voter suppression BTW.
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>>814494
>https://apnews.com/article/9fd72a4c1c5742aead977ee27815d776
>dems flipped house
voter suppression isn't metioned in the article. Keep on spamming. If you excuse me I'm going to water my s@ge.
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It is is a shame lefties have made Jim crow into their latest buzzword
The word use to apply to a bunch of harmful practices that made voting impossible and other things
Now a days it just means some districts wait in lines longer
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>>814512
t. failed high school history
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Too little too late
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>>814413
>Democratic state Rep. Park Cannon was arrested by Capitol police amid a protest after knocking on the door of the governor’s office during his remarks.
So she's an insurrectionist terrorist trying to kill democracy. That's what protesting near a politician in their building is now, remember?
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Good! Maybe they won't be able to steal the election, next time.
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>>814534
Good one, anon. I'll give you kudos on the discord server.
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>>814535
>Believing the Qtard shit
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>>814515
I actually got second highest in my class that said the rest of the people didn't care at all and wondered why they were even there
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>>814544
>believing corporate news and DNC operatives
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>>814413
OMG ASKING FOR US VOTERS TO BE DOCUMENTED US CITIZENS IS LITERALLY LIKE JIM CROW BECAUSE BLACK PEOPLE ARE TOO DUMB TO GET DOCUMENTS FROM THE GOVERNMENT THEY ARE VOTING FOR!!!! WTF GOP IS LITERALLY VOLDEMORTY! IM A PICKLE RICK VOLDEMORTY!
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>>814499
They would have made even more gains if not for gerrymandering,
Compare the seats flipped to the next closest comparable year in terms of votes.
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>>814547
>Mum DNC
Between this and shareblue, do /pol/ppets have anything that isn't from 2016?
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>>814512
Caw Caw
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https://www.vox.com/22352112/georgia-voting-sb-202-explained
So the Republicans will now be able to override any local boards and throw out votes at will thanks to the new Jim Crow law they forced through.

Republicans are officially the greatest threat to democracy.
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the modern republican party is an embarrassment
>>814558 way to miss everything about the bill you trumptard and falseflag like the blithering retards you and your god are. you cannot vote anywhere in the country without being a documented citizen
an example of the fuckery at play here:
people in georgia waited up to 8-9 hours to vote. those long lines a direct result of R voter suppression, decreased polling centers, tighter early voting times, stricter vote by mail policies, etc. now part of the bill they passed has made it a crime to bring people waiting for those 8 hours in the sun water or food, ballooned lines because there are fewer polling centers per county as per R legislation. these may be old farts for whom that kind of shit isn't feasible
oh just vote by mail then right? wrong. bill removes no excuse vote by mail. being old or not being able to drive to a polling center is not an excuse, for reference
it's not even a transparent run at rigging the system and suppressing the vote. there is no pretense at all here. they know exactly what they've passed, they know everyone else knows what they've passed. they're just wringing their hands nervously betting on the senate not having the stones to overturn this garbage
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>heritage foundation donating 10 million to lobby for and support passing the proposed voter suppression laws in the middle of all this
ah yes, money in politics, what's the problem?
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>>814685
>Republicans are officially the greatest threat to democracy
Their entire game in the 20th century has always leaned in that direction because they refuse to accept the attitudes of the people of a nation evolve and progress so they always have to be dragged along kicking and screaming by the majority. For a long time they liked to pretend we were still a nation resembling the "Leave it to Beaver" sitcom but that changed with the ascendancy of the Orange Fool and his harnessing of the angst and frustration of the economically and socially disenfranchised mob of Billy Bobs and Sally Sues. The difference is, he regressed us past the 50's and implemented economic policies reminiscent of the 19th century robber baron era and social policies resembling the Dark Ages. And although he openly fucked over his cult members econkmically, they ignored that and celebrated his Dark Ages social policies.

In order to keep that momentum against the majority of Americans who oppose those policies as proven in the results of 2020 elections, they must restrict voting and cast off Democracy. The alternative is evolving their policies to get more in sync with the majority which at this juncture they refuse to do.
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I cannot believe the entirety of Western Europe follow Jim Crow laws for voting legislation.
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More like Jim Eagle LMOA
>[falls up a flight of stairs]
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>>814686
>the modern republican party is an embarrassment

They're a bit more than that, I'm afraid.
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>>814727
>They're a bit more than that, I'm afraid.
True that. They are an existential threat to Democracy at this point.
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>>814686
To be fair, Conservatives have always been anti-American throughout the history of America. They were Torries, Confederates, Nazis, and now the anti-Democracy Trump movement.
Funnily enough in the past 5 years, the Republicans have defended Nazis, the Confederacy, and the British Crown instead of America.
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>>814413
>Democrats and voting rights groups say the law will disproportionately disenfranchise voters of color.
They need to get their shit together if they want to vote
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>>814921
>They were Torries, Confederates, Nazis,
Abraham Lincoln was a Republican. Jefferson Davis was a Democrat.
>in the past 5 years, the Republicans have defended Nazis, the Confederacy, and the British Crown instead of America.
Democrats have demonized all of American history, painted it as an illegitimate country built on land they believe to be someone else's, and argued for the right of Mexican nationals to disregard its border and reap the benefits paid for by its citizens.
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This is the same in Australia because it can be used to influence your vote and count as electoral bribery but I guess Australia does it as a form of voter suppression too even though we have compulsory voting? It seems what the Democrats and the left in general are saying without saying it is that you think blacks can't afford food and water
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>>814960
Considering there's also been an effort to restrict how many polling places are available, it's pretty clearly meant to make voting into an endurance test so people will just go away and not vote. No one wants to stand in line without food or water for like two hours.
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>>814962
>No one wants to stand in line without food or water for like two hours.
If you can't do that, I don't want you voting.
Hell, when the country was founded, the founding fathers restricted voting to white, land-owning men.
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>>814962
>No one wants to stand in line without food or water for like two hours.
Then bring your own food and water, I have to wait hours to vote in Australia too but it's not voter suppression
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>>814963
>Hell, when the country was founded, the founding fathers restricted voting to white, land-owning men.

Which was fucking stupid because it meant the rich basically had the entire voice in the election. Hence why that isn't the case now.
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>>814965
>the founding fathers were fucking stupid
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>>814966
>The founding fathers were human

Continuing to base your entire opinion on 200 year old policies is fucking stupid. Hence why the option to add amendments to the constitution exist. Times change.
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>>814969
They do exist and yet the Democrats don't ever use it when they say they want to gun control instead they create new laws that violate the Constitution, so explain why the Democrats don't use the very system put in place for these things to address them
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>>814970
>Any kind of amendment requires at least a two-thirds agreement
>AKA something that will never fucking happen in modern politics
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>>814973
Okay so because it lacks popular support in a Democracy you're saying that the U.S. is a flawed Democracy? Are you listening to yourself
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>>814969
>Times change
Not necessarily for the better.
The first 10-12 amendments were also made by the founders. After that, it's a clusterfuck, mostly politicians in over their heads trying to deal with sudden social crisis in an immediate way that that disregards the future, whereas the original Constitution and Bill of Rights is pretty lock-solid, timeless "how to have a good country"
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>>814975
>How to have a good country
>Slavery
>The States can have laws to strip the right to life and liberty, and forcibly take property from citizens
>Insurrectionists can hold office
>You can discriminate voting by race and sex
>Presidents can't be removed
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>>814976
Slavery isn't in the constitution and most of the founders were abolitionists but weren't able to abolish slavery entirely in their time.
Discriminating by race and sex also prevented the clusterfuck we have today. It was a better country for the people they made the country for.
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>>814981
...hence why they had to put in a fucking amendment to kill it dead later. AKA likely the whole reason they left the window open.

Also:
>Freedom for me but not for thee
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>>814982
>...hence why they had to put in a fucking amendment to kill it dead later
It was something they expressed interest in much earlier, but they wanted a better strategy. The 13th and 14th amendment were a rush job and not what they would have wanted.
>Freedom for me but not for thee
You have to understand that they didn't create America to take in all the world's people. They created it for themselves and their people, explicitly barring anyone from Europeans from gaining citizenship. As for sex discrimination, most women didn't even want womens' suffrage, particularly since that came with responsibilities they weren't keen on adopting, namely to be eligible for military draft.
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>>814983
*anyone but Europeans
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>>814983
>They created it for themselves and their people, explicitly barring anyone from Europeans from gaining citizenship

Naturalization act was literally passed by Washington what the fuck are you talking about anon?

>most women didn't even want womens' suffrage

Fucking lol.
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>>814987
>Naturalization act was literally passed by Washington what the fuck are you talking about anon?
What does the naturalization act say?
>Fucking lol.
Lol if you want, women wanted to not die on a battlefield more than they wanted to vote
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>>814957
Republicans telling the ancient Big Lie that it's party, not ideology.
I said Conservative :^)
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>>814989
>They were right-wing liberals
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>>814988
If women didn't want Suffrage they wouldn't have fucking campaigned for it. Besides, suffrage ONLY guaranteed the right to vote. Pretty sure women can't even be drafted today.
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>>815003
>they
Who's they? There was a suffragette movement but it didn't represent the majority of the country
>Besides, suffrage ONLY guaranteed the right to vote. Pretty sure women can't even be drafted today.
That's true. Women ended up getting the right to vote without having to contribute or sacrifice anything for it, unlike men. The founding fathers astutely understood that the right to vote should be earned. Democracy, like anything, can be corrupted.
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>>815012
What have YOU done to earn the right to vote anon?
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>>815016
I'm a white male land-owner who is eligible for the draft. If I wasn't, I could understand why I wouldn't be entitled to a vote
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>>815018
What have you sacrificed?
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>>815019
My personal safety by being eligible for the draft
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>>815020
The draft hasn't been used in almost 50 years, and with modern tech no war that requires it is likely to ever start again due to nukes and other long ranged weaponry. Considering you didn't even volunteer, you haven't sacrificed shit.
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>>815021
Don't get mad at me over it. If a war broke out, I would be subject to conscripted service and women wouldn't. Respect that or campaign for laws to draft women into military service in order to have a vote.
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>>815024
You say you deserve the right to vote yet there are women actively serving in the military who don't because "They didn't sacrifice anything to earn it.". You didn't even sign up as a reserve so you literally did nothing to deserve it other then living to 18.
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>>815025
I can't cancel being eligible for the draft, or being white, nor will I sell the property I own. By being an educated and prosperous man of the my nation's heritage, ready to defend it if need be, I have earned a vote.
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>>815029
You haven't earned shit. You literally think you're entitled to a vote while no one else is simply because "I'm white and have money". By saying you have no control of any of those things that means you've done nothing to earn the right other then being born.

If you were that ready to defend your country, go sign up for the reserves. Otherwise you're just patting yourself on the back for being eligible for a draft that most likely will never occur during your lifetime, and that you have no guarantee of being called for even if it did.
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>>815034
You're mad at me for being the ideal of my nation. What should I be then? An uneductated, brown female cripple living in poverty? Why would that get to vote? What good policies do you think would pass with that kind of voterbase?
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>>815035
Because they're also a part of this nation. You can't just ignore the parts that have always been there, because when you do that's how you get entitled shitheads like you. Who think they have more of a right to be able to live simply because they were born the way they were.

I'm not mad at you for being white, male, and/or well-off. I'm mad at you for being an entitled hypocrite.
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>>815036
>Because they're also a part of this nation. You can't just ignore the parts that have always been there
They're "a part" of "this nation" but are they really what our nation represents?
>I'm not mad at you for being white, male, and/or well-off. I'm mad at you for being an entitled hypocrite.
Crucially, I'm not self-entitled. That was the entitlement bestowed upon me by the nation I was born in. People come here and feel entitled to change the nation that was made for me when an entire world exists for them outside of my country.
For that matter, what are you?
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>>815038
Land of the free everyone, where you're only allowed to be free if you fit in specific parameters. Representing all citizens except for the women, poor, and non-white.

You ARE self-entitled, because YOU are the only one who thinks your nation bestows that right to only you. Because in reality ANY citizen can vote, not just the upper-middle class white male ones. You're the one who thinks they should get the ability to vote only if they fall into that spectrum. By your own fucking ideals you are a self entitled parasite who's done jack shit for his nation except being born.

Oh, and white, male, eligible for the draft. Except unlike you I don't think that should give me any kind of exclusive privileges just because I was born that way. Because the US was never some fucking white only paradise. Hell, the first person to die for the American Revolution was Crispus Attucks, a black man, in the Boston Massacre. The nation has always represented more then just dipshits like you, no matter how much you try and insist otherwise.
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>>814413
Based
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>>815040
>Land of the free everyone, where you're only allowed to be free if you fit in specific parameters
It's the land of the free but also not everyone's land.
>You ARE self-entitled, because YOU are the only one who thinks your nation bestows that right to only you
The people who created the country stated that. The country was made with that in mind. Later policy you could argue is actually un-American, especially those that give voting rights to people who wouldn't have qualified as Americans when the people who defined America lived.
You're again directing your anger towards me when it's the history of my country that's causing you angst. What I'm telling you is all well documented and verifiable. It's up to you to deal with it.
For the record though, answer the question you ignored before. What does Washington's naturalization act say?
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>>815046
You can't just decide America from X year onwards is un-American. This is the country dipshit, this is real life and you can't just act like you're the only one who matters. Times change, people change. You're living in the past.

Oh, and I'll admit you were right about the Naturalization Act, but that's since been amended and my comment about it was back when you mistakenly said Europeans weren't allowed to become Americans, before you corrected yourself.
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>>814413
>nooooo you can't make safeguards against fraud! that's racist!
Have you ever considered the benefits of suicide?
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>>814973
That means it's working as intended you dumbfuck.
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>>815049
>You can't just decide America from X year onwards is un-American.
Surely there must be some definition of America beyond whatever is happening on the continent at whatever time, and surely that definition would come from the people who created the country and set up its institutions and described its ideals. If something were to directly contradict that, then of course that would be un-American. The only way you could disagree is if you were in favor of destroying America to rebuild it as something else, which I shouldn't have to explain is obviously un-American.
>you were right about the Naturalization Act, but that's since been amended and my comment about it was back when you mistakenly said Europeans weren't allowed to become Americans, before you corrected yourself.
It was a typo, but even with the typo in place it's hard to interpret the sentence incorrectly. -Anyone [apart from] Europeans
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>>814951
Also stop having names the old woman at the polling table can't pronounce, growing beads, having haircuts, wearing glasses or changing their clothes from the ones on their ID.
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>>814963
Good idea, also add four flights of stairs, a narrow door and cap it of at 70, no need for people that won't outlive the term period to have a say.
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>>815061
Sounds good to me actually. People that old should turn the reigns over instead of voting for their own future fucking interests all the time.
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>>815059
>>815061
Or get all gay and liberal and let every tourist passing through the country have a vote, or how about sending out ballots to people in China and India so they can have a say in our elections too? After-all, everyone's an American, right?
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>>815063
No, just citizens.
Only trouble is overhauling the absolute shit heap of a system that can't keep track of where people live and thus are eligible to vote, their penal record of even if they are alive or dead.

I don't mind if pollsters are overzealous losers, but then EVERY polling station has to take their quota of the assholes, shit lets purposefully shuffle them around so no one can just wave their neighbour though without checking the photo.
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>>814455
>>814457
>no food in voting lines is oppressive
America
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>>814413
>its a Jim Crow law!
How?
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>>814413
>The Georgia law requires a photo ID in order to vote absentee by mail, after more than 1.3 million Georgia voters used that option during the COVID-19 pandemic. It also cuts the time people have to request an absentee ballot and limits where ballot drop boxes can be placed and when they can be accessed.
How the fuck is this "jim crowe"??

Seriously, fucking how?
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>>814723
>Their entire game in the 20th century
Only since the 60s, really. Teddy was based and Eisenhower wasn't bad either.
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>>814957
>democrats have demonized all of american history
you don't need democrats to demonize us history, it kinda does that by itself
>painted it as an illegitimate country built on land they believe to be someone else's
the european founders were immigrants, if you remember. unless you're of native descent you are a child of immigrants on these shores.
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>>814974
>you're saying that the U.S. is a flawed Democracy?
[insert nordic yes meme here]
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>>815035
>the ideal of my nation
do you like to call yourself 'identitarian' rather than 'white nationalist' too?
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>>815075
the dems claim the cost of an ID is a poll tax and have won MANY supreme court cases based on that.
the republicans are just flat out stupid or not making ID's free and killing the only valid argument against them
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>>814983
>>814988
The franchise was initially restricted to wealthy men and they were never at risk of being drafted. The idea that suffrage means forced military service is ludicrous.
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>>815086
or...>for not making ids free...
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>>815087
there was a scandal that came out that a letter was circulating in the jewish community where jewish doctors would falsely let jews out of service if they wanted.
otoh something like 85,000 jews served during ww2 despite having an out
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>>815086
>expecting cuckservatives to make anything free even when it'd help their nativist arguments
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>>814413
You democrats are pathetic liars. Even a shithole like mexico requires ID to vote so it's not a burden at all to require it in America. Or do you democrats think that niggers are too dumb to get an ID? Is that what it is? Or is it that with voter ID you can't cheat and commit election fraud like you have in the past? That's probably it, huh?
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Republicans are desperate cornered rats

Suburan wine drinkin' Democratic mom's like Pelosi et al want to push the vermin out of sight rather than finish them off.

Vermin will just breed again in the dark.
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The common and root causes of all social problems are people's ignorance, immaturity, mental illness, personality disorder, and low-level education that neglects them.
Anyone who is inspired or brainwashed by conspiracy theory, fake, pseudoscience, hoaxes, fortune-telling, or religion and is euphoric as "my knowledge is all true" is a victim of inappropriate low-level education.
Since we do not teach philosophy or psychology in compulsory education, children grow up to have a personality that lacks foresight, sympathy, self-control, problem-solving, logical thinking, various literacy, and self-affirmation.
Inexperienced people need not HATRED (punishment, blame, exclusion, neglect), but LOVE (adequate high-level education and psychotherapy counseling to enhance information analysis)

"Emotions Self-Responsibility Theory"
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>>814413
they won't do shit you faggots, you let these scumbags run your country to the ground these past few years. You let them take over every aspect of society and steal the election openly and you faggots just let it happen like the useless bitches you are. The only thing you'll ever shoot is yourselves while the US burns to the ground. I will kill everyone of you faggots that dare to come to my country so you don't spread your disease you subhuman scum
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>>815105
Although this is a non-American, he sounds like the typical disenfranchised white trash cracker that comprises the current Party of Trump's base.
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>>814413
>sign laws into place that every other civilized first world country has to protect people's voting rights and election integrity
>MUH JIM CROW

Democrats see any new voting law as a "Jim Crow" law because they're the ones who invented the original Jim Crow laws and can't stop projecting.

All your your socialist fantasy countries in Europe have similar laws regarding voting IDs and much stricter immigration policies. You're going to have to stop being ideologically schizo at some point.
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>>815104
Won't work, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink it.

You can explicitly explain to someone how something is triggering their emotions, the neurology and perhaps evolutionary psychology behind it, you could teach this in every high school, yet most people will still blindly act on emotion anyway. People are capable of spectacular mental gymnastics.
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>>815124
Most of those countries issue National ID's free. The charge for ID amounts to a poll tax since the poor often working multiple jobs just to feed and house themselves cannot afford either the fee or the time off from work in the unlikely event their employer would give them the time off to obtain it. Secondly, the white nationalist/supremacist fascist red states allocate polling locations by area, not population, so those folks who have been walled into densely populated ghettos have to wait all day in line to vote, again in the unlikely event their employer will give them time off, now w/o food or water. Meanwhile, Goober and Gomer living in the county of bumfuck Piganus, population 500 and declining go into the poll, vote immediately and leave. Allocate polling locations based on population, issue free ID's and require employers to authorise paid time off to obtain ID and vote, then we won't call your obvious voter suppression targeting minorities, Jim Crow. Put up or admit you're anti-Democracy Jim Crow supporters.
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>>815082
unless they joined into indian tribes when they got there the american settlers weren't immigrants
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>>815133
you are simply ridiculous.
nothing you're saying is true, which is evident by how you didn't even try to prove your points. you just went on to the next lie.
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>>815382

Clearly you don't work for an American company, or have so much corporate semen in your stomach that your brain's morphed into something controlled, non-played by you kind of thing.
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>>815133
https://dds.georgia.gov/voter-id

Voter Ids in Georgia are FREE. They are available your county registrar's office or the Georgia Department of Driver Services (DDS)

Please stop lying to make your points.
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>>815382
if you don't believe the anon, then maybe try looking up their claims to verify for yourself
you'll be surprised at what you find, i guarantee, and if you have an open mind you might even find your view on the matter changing. as it should with the introduction of new evidence, assuming you're a functioning human being.
try to keep it to the unbiased, high quality sources if possible. the ones as close to the top and as close to the middle as you can find here https://www.adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart
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>>815389
Good. Now force their employer of 1 of their 2 or 3 jerbs to give them paid time off to obtain it. And allocate polling sites based on population density, not area so crowded areas don't require standing in line for 8 hours w/o food or water. And require their employers to give them paid time off to vote. See, Simon LeGree, you can still have your gerrymandered cheating w/o going full Jim Crow if you do those things. But you won't Simon LeGree, because you can't win if you do. Own your embracing of Jim Crow, your white nationalist/supremacist base will love you for it.
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>>815389
you've never been on welfare, have you?
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>>815389
>You: here's a fact that proves you wrong
>This faggot: >>815392 aLLoW Me TO mOvE ThE GoAlPosTs WhiLe mY HusBAnD EjaCuLatEs In My REctUm iM a BeAuTiFuL FeMaLe AsSiGnEd MalE aT bIrTh
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>>815394
What does welfare have to do with the fact that people are lying about having to purchase voter id in the state of Georgia. Are you trying to deflect because someone caught you in a lie.
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>>814990
>Contraction
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>>815399
The goal posts were established in this post >>815133. I'm not from the shit hole fascist red state GA, so I didn't know they were free. In my fascist red state they are not free. As, I said, good. Now deal with the other issues which are even more crucial, Mr. LeGree.
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What if voting days, once a year or so including local, state, and federal elections were mandatory no-work days. No PTO, but everyone would have a chance due to free time to get to the poll. Now you have to allow and allot a proper number of polling places to accommodate adequately or else it's just a bad faith exercise at best.
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>>815410
Before posting you should do basic research to determine if what you are saying is true. To address your other points.
>Secondly, the white nationalist/supremacist fascist red states allocate polling locations by area, not population, so those folks who have been walled into densely populated ghettos have to wait all day in line to vote
The number of polling locations is not important, the ability for each polling station to meet the requirements of its population is. Since polling stations are filled with volunteers and run by their counties, not the state, each of these counties need to do a better job at managing their vote and the lines.

The law does not prevent you from bringing or having food or water in a voting line. It prevents you from bribing people with food and water before they vote.

This leaves you claim that the state needs to require time off so people can vote. While the would be convenient for many people not requiring it does not amount to voter suppression.
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>>815400
i'm not the one claiming georgia voter ID had a cost, i'm just here to needle you on not realizing how even seemingly inconsequential sums of money, even 20 or 30 bucks, can be matters of extreme import to people trying to survive on welfare in a way that many others just can't comprehend
walking a mile in another's shoes is a fine platitude but sometimes the hurdle is just too much to get over
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>>815415
HR 1 would make voting day a federal holiday, but that bill would actually bring change to the country and we can't have that.
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>>815429
Is it? I've not read it, but good if so.
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>>815420
Your arguing with a partisanshit retard
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>>815400
>purchase voter id in the state of georgia
Where do you so this?
Their website says it's free and available at multiple places... For free
https://dds.georgia.gov/voter-id#:~:text=The%20State%20of%20Georgia%20offers,registrar's%20office%20free%20of%20charge.
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>>815446
I wish you could be honest about what you were doing instead of making business personal.

"Vote for us or we'll take away your right to vote."

Was that so hard?

I could say something about Israel and Palestine, but in that case, it kinda has to be personal.
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>>815392
"Alt-right" here. All that sounds good to me actually. Why aren't the democrats pushing for that in their "reform" instead?
Don't whatabout me either, republicans are fucking useless, I already know that.
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>>815485
Because they just want to make the opposition angry.
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>>815489
More accurate to say, they wish to share their anger, by making you feel it. Which is also why the Republican's are "fucking useless", sharing that same modus operandi.
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>>815446
>county registrar's office or the Georgia Department of Driver Services
How many of those are in majority black districts?
Better yet, how do you justify the Republicans voting themselves to be in charge of certifying votes and giving themselves unilateral power to steal elections if they don't go the way they want?
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>>815505
Democrats have shown they can't be trusted with the responsibility
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>>815462
Just keep in mind that the alternative is "vote for us so we can continue bringing in more third worlders who will."
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>>815524
Sadly, a wall, and some legal immigration preventions, will not stop them, as your party's goal, while currently a bit more desperate, isn't ultimately any different.

Both parties just want to make you madly afraid, while the media makes bank off it.
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>>815523
Proof? Or are you going to repeat the Big Lie here?
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>>815534
Why did they try to ban non-democrats from witnessing the counting of the votes?
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>>815547
Thx for promoting the Big Lie. Trump has deposited .05 shekel/rubles into your account, Cletus.
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>>815420
>The number of polling locations is not important, the ability for each polling station to meet the requirements of its population is. Since polling stations are filled with volunteers and run by their counties, not the state, each of these counties need to do a better job at managing their vote and the lines.
So you accept the fact that inadequate polling locations to accomodate the population residing in those locations (which often are minorities) forcing them to spend hours waiting in line for hours while Goober and Gomer have enough polling locations they can walk in and out in minutes is somehow reasonable and fair? That's literally the equivalent of requiring Shanika to guess the number of beans in a gallon jar while Goiber doesn't have to. Do you understand why?

>This leaves you claim that the state needs to require time off so people can vote. While the would be convenient for many people not requiring it does not amount to voter suppression
Indeed it does. If Jamal is working 2 lower level jerbs just to barely pay expenses month to month and his employer refuses him the day off on pain of termination or has to spend all day waiting in line to cast that vote meaning a loss of income that will cause him to go w/o a basic necessity that month, it is voter suppression equivalent to the plantation owner physically preventing Uncle Tom from going to the polls.

Get that whip a crackin' cracker Simon Legree, you done doin' a good jerb settin' voting rights back 100 years.
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>>815555
lmagine being so corrupted that the concept of honest opinions is incomprehensibly alien to you. I pity you, anon. I really do.
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>>814413
Tl;dr
>GA wants to ban mail in voting because it's compromised
>Democrates and biden call it racist, evil, white supremacist, nazi, bigoted, sexist, ad infinium.
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>>814413
Liberals are traitors who burned businesses all summer and stole the election. But they call good citizens traitors. We live in evil times.
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>>815563
>GA wants to ban mail in voting because it's compromised
>Utah has had 100% mail in voting for years and no issues. B-ut they voted for the Orange Fool s-so they are super duper biggly perfect, ok?
Who do you think is dumb enough to fall for your maga tripe other than confirmed cultists?
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>>815598
That's literally what's happening, despite your trooning out.

Game's rigged either way and only a colossal fucking retard is still falling for the "my guy your guy" shit.
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>>815547
[citation needed] by the way
or were you talking about the crowd of ~70 angry people in arizona banging on the doors and windows of a count center falsely claiming to be legally appointed poll watchers?
the ones who thought an AP camera crew with gear to film and stream the counting for all to see was bringing the supposed 2am ballot dump?
yeah...
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>>815598
remember, large scale fraud accusations and trump lawsuits trying to invalidate swaths of votes based on legal technicalities were only brought up in states where he lost
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>>815606
Yeah, just a strange coincidence *wink wink*.
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>>815598
>>815606
>>815612
>one thing happening in one state means it must happen in the other
>one thing not happening in one state means it can't happen in another
>this is sound logic and anyone who disagrees is clearly a conspiritard
No one's falling for it guys
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>>815616
sure must burn knowing all the federal judges trump appointed listened to their oath of office that demanded loyalty to country rather than president and smacked down all 63 of his lawsuits about the election for being batshit insane huh
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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/gabriel-sterling-brad-raffensperger-punishing-cnn-georgia-election-law_n_605fe4eac5b6531eed059a5f
Republicans in Georgia admit that they stripped the secretary of state of his power because he refused to steal the election for Trump.
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>>815625
Just like they openly admit they are instituting Jim Crow voting restrictions, they now openly admit they despise Democracy and anyone, Rep or Dem who is loyal to it and refuses to support crowning a Dear Leader for Life who accomplished nothing other than the destruction of the US and embracing white supremacists so he could count on an army of Brown Shirts for the "fire next time."
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>>815557
>So you accept the fact that inadequate polling locations to accomodate the population residing in those locations (which often are minorities) forcing them to spend hours waiting in line for hours while Goober and Gomer have enough polling locations they can walk in and out in minutes is somehow reasonable and fair? That's literally the equivalent of requiring Shanika to guess the number of beans in a gallon jar while Goiber doesn't have to. Do you understand why?

You clearly didn't understand what I was saying. Voting in Georgia is done by county, so in Fulton county (the Atlanta area which is run by Democrats) it is on the Government of Fulton county to fix their polling locations. They order the voting machines and staff the polls. If they are having funding issues they can request additional funds. Much of the issue is due to local mismanagement. You are blaming the state government for a local government issue.

>Indeed it does. If Jamal is working 2 lower level jerbs just to barely pay expenses month to month and his employer refuses him the day off on pain of termination or has to spend all day waiting in line to cast that vote meaning a loss of income that will cause him to go w/o a basic necessity that month, it is voter suppression equivalent to the plantation owner physically preventing Uncle Tom from going to the polls.

First of all Early Voting is a thing, not all votes have to be cast on election day. Jamal can plan ahead and vote on a day he his able to before the election. Many states don't provide payed time off, I guess the black vote is suppressed in the New Jersey, DC, and too. The funniest thing is that you clearly didn't do any research because Georgia law requires that voters be given at minimum 2 hours to vote.
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>>815630
>Just like they openly admit
They deny it constantly... Otherwise I wouldn't have a problem with them.

I mean, I have a problem with the act - but they are trying to convince people they are doing something else, and that's just a fucked up thing for a bunch of Evangelicals to get behind.

Granted, the other side is preaching hate and forgiveness at the same time, so... Nothing new, sadly.
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>>815643
> they are having funding issues they can request additional funds
County requests additional funds to open more polls in Fulton County. State smirks and stamps, "Request Denied." Thanks Simon Legree!

>The funniest thing is that you clearly didn't do any research because Georgia law requires that voters be given at minimum 2 hours to vote.
>seriousdoubt.jpg because you provided no source
But for the sake of argument lets pretend it's true, Simon LeGree.

>Uncle Tom: Gee massah', I thank you'all kindly like, fo' givin' me 'dem 2 hours but 'dat line were 8 hour long, yuk, yuk. Tain't you'uns fault massah, jus' the Lord workin' mysterious ways!
>Simon LeGree: That's right thinkin' Uncle Tom, you'se a good 'un!

Better oil up that blacksnake whip Simon, I suspect not everyone will be as amenable as good 'ol Uncle Tom.
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>>815659
>County requests additional funds to open more polls in Fulton County. State smirks and stamps, "Request Denied." Thanks Simon Legree!
You are shifting the goalpost. The argument went from the state is limiting polling stations to the state is denying funding. You are assuming that the state is denying funding with no evidence provided. Thanks Ahosu Ghezo.

Here are 2 sources for the Georgia law
https://www.employmentlawhandbook.com/leave-laws/state-leave-laws/georgia/
https://blog.shrm.org/public-policy/most-states-mandate-employee-time-off-to-vote

2 hours is more than enough time when the average waiting time of non-white areas is 51 mins
https://www.propublica.org/article/why-do-nonwhite-georgia-voters-have-to-wait-in-line-for-hours-their-numbers-have-soared-and-their-polling-places-have-dwindled
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>>815692
>2 hours is more than enough time when the average waiting time of non-white areas is 51 mins
Are you retarded? Your own source was a savage indictement of the lack of polling places in population dense minority areas. To top it off, your silly 51 minute wait was the amount of wait time AFTER 7 PM when the poll had closed and they had waited all day in line, while it was a 6 minute wait after 7PM at white nationalist/supremacist polling locations.

Don't feel bad, I often see rightwing maga cultists post sources that literally contradict their argument so take comfort in that Simon LeGree.
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where are the videos of lineups of the po colored folk waitin' to vote and the white man denying them?
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>>816500
Use the black rep being arrested for just knocking on the door of the govenor who has a long history of supporting Jim Crow tactics.
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>>815721
>Your own source
He posted 3, which one? And where's your counter evidence?
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>>816743
Would a white rep have been arrested in the same place for doing the same thing?
>yes
Why?
>because of the rules of the chamber
So whats your point?
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>>816746
>Knocking on the door is illegal
>A white rep would have been arrested
LOL, imagine thinking that.
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>>814685
>Vox
The yellow press is a much bigger threat
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>>816744
Propublica you literal moran. Now go dress up in a hood and light a cross on fire in front of the 1 polling station for 1 million+ minority voters to demonstrate your love of Democracy since that's the logical next step after implementation of Jim Crow voting restrictions. You go gril!
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>>814413
who are all these trolls?
CIA?
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So how is it not racist and disenfranchising People of color to require them to have a drivers license or a Vaccine ID?
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>>816828
Sounds like something a troll would think.
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>>816839
If it's national and free and we make a huge effort to make sure everyone has one, yer good - except for all the consequences that come with having a national ID that the GOP has been raving about for 40 years... Though a Vaccine ID automatically creates a second class citizen, so they kind of had a point.

Shame they lost it.
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If you dont have time to go vote in person don't waste my time with your vote.
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>>816851
Sorry Hoss, even the busy get to vote. I mean, ideally, their vote would count for more than your free loading ass with all that spare time you're claiming to have.
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>>816761
>Reporting the law is bad
As expected of fascists who hate the free press.
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>>816864
This. This excuse conservatives make that if you don't jump through all the flaming hoops they set up must mean you really don't want to vote is bullshit.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-georgia-voting/elections-officials-fear-georgia-law-could-politicize-voting-operations-idUSKBN2BO50P
Now the law Republicans passed will allow the Republican controlled state legislator to steal any election they want.
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>>818207
In fact, if this Jim Crow law had been in effect during the 2020 election, whatever sycophant the Repuublican legislature had put in charge would have thrown the electoral votes to Trump despite the numerous recounts, audits and lawsuits that showed there was no fraud and was certified by the AG Rafensperger who just so happened to be that rare bird, a Trump supporter with integrity. That kind of bird is virtually extinct so the chances they would appoint one for 2022 and 2024 are almost 0.
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>>814413
>Democrats and voting rights groups say the law will disproportionately disenfranchise voters of color
Define "voters of color"
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>>814413
>Says that blacks are too lazy to walk to the voting place
>Claim republicans are racists for demanding them to walk
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https://apnews.com/article/ap-norc-poll-us-majority-back-easier-voter-registration-d4c6c40628aa4ddc56fbbd372d30dd04
Majority of US voter are against Republican Jim Crow laws and want voter registration to be easier.
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https://apnews.com/article/mlb-baseball-rob-manfred-georgia-voting-rights-e1cf72c8b2d61afad049cae498ccbbe0
MLB Pulls the Plug on the All Star Game in Atlanta after Republicans in Georgia jammed through the new Jim Crow laws there.
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Here in California registering to vote is just about as easy as it gets.
A foreign school id with your birthdate is sufficient to register to vote.
By using the school id to get a driver's license you simply check the yes box that says "register me to vote"
Most people can not believe it actually works like this when you tell them
But it is demonstrable fact, easily googled by looking at the ca driver's license requirements and motor votor law.
People here have registered their dogs to vote using this method
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>>818773
I don't believe you. What are the requirements for a US citizen to obtain a DL? I'd bet good money that voting section is not applicable for non-US citizens and you're just pretending to be retarded.

But lets pretend that your false narrative is correct. There most certainly would be a warning stating it is a felony to fraudulently register if not a US citizen punishable by such and such. And explain why these nefarious devious rascal criminal non-US citizens want to jeopardize their Visa and end up in jail and/or deported to fucking vote? You silly rightwing xenophobes are falling prey to absurd conspiracy theories. A large % of Amerian citizens don't even bother to vote, lol!

Bottomline, there are not hordes of non-US citizens lining up to vote in CA or any other state and investigations by independent organisations (even conservative think tanks like heritage) demonstrate that. These are fictions your bobbleheads spew at you to make you forget conservatives are fucking you up the poop shoot and convincing you that you like it.
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>>818786
>But lets pretend that your false narrative is correct. There most certainly would be a warning stating it is a felony to fraudulently register if not a US citizen punishable by such and such
yeah this is exactly what I mean when I say people don't really believe it because it is against common sense
it's actually a checkbox on the driver's license form that says yes register me to vote and in the fine print it says I testify that I am eligible to vote or something similar.
You can see the driver's license form if you just Google it online

the letter of the law states that anyone who registers to vote who is not eligible will not be held responsible unless if it can be shown that they did so with the intent to defraud the voting system.

The majority of everything you want to find out can be found here
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180AB1407
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>>818786
To just help you along, here is the requirement to register to vote in California
>This bill would require the Department of Motor Vehicles to additionally report to the Secretary of State that an applicant has attested that he or she meets the voter preregistration requirements for a person who is at least 16 years of age and otherwise meets all voter eligibility requirements.
>>818786
>There most certainly would be a warning stating it is a felony to fraudulently register if not a US citizen punishable by such and such
Nope
2268. If a person who is ineligible to vote becomes registered or preregistered to vote pursuant to this chapter in the absence of a violation by that person of Section 18100, that person’s registration or preregistration shall be presumed to have been effected with official authorization and not the fault of that person.
And who can audit this?
Democrats only
>The department shall not electronically provide records of a person who applies for or is issued a driver’s license pursuant to Section 12801.9 of the Vehicle Code because he or she is unable to submit satisfactory proof that his or her presence in the United States is authorized under federal law.
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>>818800
>>818801
Annnndddd you still provide no evidence that non-US citizens are registering to vote let alone lining up to vote. Funny thing is, no one else can either. And no, you have no evidence "muh scary Democrats" are w/h that evidence. You can't even provide a logical reason why these hordes of non-US citizens would want to jeapordize their legal status or if illegal jeapordize their chances of obtaining a green card, and risk jail/deportation to fucking vote. Do you see now why you've fallen for a fictional narrative to rile up your nativist xenophobia to both convince you to support Jim Crow voter restrictions and distract you from the fact your friendly neighborhood conservatives support policies diametrically opposed to your economic interests?
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>>818816
Its fucking stupid Id laws changed in my state and for a fucking city i had to go to an outlying suburb just to get the fucking updated ID because "only specific facilities are designed to process the paperwork" and all that really meant was they had one extra fucking line you had to wait in for processing and the fucking entire process was the exact same as getting a drivers ID renewed. It just pure ignorance to claim that there isnt something insidious behind how this shit functions we have so many fucking large DMV facilities across the city but apparently the only one that functions for new ID processing is on the outskirts of town located just out of reach of public transportation. Now to straight up pull shit like this for elections is fucking bullshit
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>>818816
You used many high school level words that will only confuse and anger voter fraud cultists.
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>>814413
Its not hard to get an ID i know everyone thiinks blacks are retarded but the bare minimum is doable
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>>818876
https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet
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democrats rely on retards who cant get an id, to vote for them
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>>818888
as opposed to what? republicans who make sure that ID facilities arent put in heavily populated areas?
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>>814546
cool story really interesting!!
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>>818880
Your article literally just says they're too retarded to get ID's
Imagine being alive for fucking 18 years and not having a driver's license.
Do these fuckers even have jobs
>photo ID laws reduce turnout by 2-3 percentage points
probably illegal immigrants or the same people voting twice
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>>818951
ID facilities like DMVs which are much more common in heavily populated areas? If anybody's going to have trouble getting voter ID, it would be white people living in rural America. Fucking India can figure out voter ID distribution but the USA cannot? What this is really about is that Democrats want the hordes of illegal immigrants they're importing to be able to give them guaranteed votes.
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>>819007
>Your article literally just says they're too retarded to get ID's
Proof?
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>>819012
>>818951
You forget that Republicans tried to shut down DMV's in majority black areas specifically to make it harder to get IDs. This is why Voter ID is branded as racist. Not just because of itself, but the other policies Republicans implement in conjunction with it to engage in election fraud.
https://www.governing.com/archive/alabama-demands-voter-id--then-closes-drivers-license-offices-In-clack-counties.html
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I have never heard of a new voting law which has NOT been decried by Democrats as racist. There is nothing whatsoever about this that suggests racism, even though the food law is dumb I don't see what it has to do with ethnicity at all.
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If we declared ware on you, leftoid, you would be dead already.

Voter ID is reasonable and rational.
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>>814413
>NOOOO WHY DO I HAVE TO SHOW UP TO THE BOOTHS TO VOTE
>THIS IS JUST LIKE THE JIM CROW LAWS
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>>819200
>I have never heard of a new voting law which has NOT been decried by Democrats as racist
Do the democrats use any argument any more that is not "racism"?
No.
They don't.
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>>819200
>I have never heard of a new voting law which has NOT been decried by Democrats as racist
That's probably because our election systems are extremely secure with absolutely zero evidence of any significant voter fraud so when Republicans attempt to fix something that isn't broken its usually because they need Dem voters not to vote in order for them to win. Poor people are easiest to shit on and brown people are disproportionately poor so the logic of this follows pretty easily.

>There is nothing whatsoever about this that suggests racism
I could understand this if your bar for racism were set at someone wearing a KKK hood and setting crosses on fire. The GOP doesn't want brown people to vote. They've had a long standing tradition of not wanting brown people to vote. Whether or not they do it because they're explicitly racist or they're just targeting the easiest population to suppress so they can win elections is pretty irrelevant because the outcome is exactly the same.
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>>814413
While your average American might not appreciate the nuances of voter purges or whatever else, I'm thinking they might've overplayed their hand trying to do something as blatantly restrictive as not letting people hand out water and snacks. :/
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>>814457
Cheat in an election, get security measures implemented.
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>>819394
>Cheat in an election

[Citation needed.]

Also, what does "not handing out water" have to do with election security?
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>>814544
>Believing q wasn't a psyop from in-q-tel or similar
I grew up in Nebraska. I've heard of first hand accounts of people who had knowledge of trafficking that went on by our institutions involving Bush's white house and billionaires like Buffet. At this point if you want to call the right racists I'll just call the left child rapists by supporting open borders that facilitate trafficking while wanting to abolish ICE that works against trafficking. Truth is, both sides are guilty because they both wok for the same people, even the people on your "side" you think you trust. Look up the Oligarchy Report done in 2014. Do you want to have secure elections or have elections that can be manipulated by those with money who commit criminal acts with impunity? The same people who own 90 percent of MSM and have vertical plus horizontal information control in our society, and can use psychology against us. I really fucking hate Q but I also can't stand leftists who can't think beyond status quo. Implement blockchain voting. Implement hash-based IDs. Implement auditing oversight. Fuck cheaters.
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>>819400
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/597
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>>819405
So even if the people handing out water are handing it out regardless of who you're voting for, you're interpreting it as a bribe? That's preposterous.

If you want to treat all water and snacks as bribes, make the lines in poor and/or black neighbourhoods as short as the lines in affluent and/or white neighbourhoods. Until then, any reasonable person will interpret making it a crime to offer water to someone waiting hours in the sweltering heat as an act of discrimination against minorities and the poor.
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>>814463
So you truly believe republicans would still be aggressively pushing these laws if it was found the vast, vast majority of poor in these areas voted republican? Even after commites of their own making found mass voter fruad is less than 2%? You're either gullible or retarded to believe this.

Rest of your post is nonsensical trash unless you're willing to dive into race dynamics from whites AND peers that keep the poor in place. And that only begs the question why you think they should have no problem getting guns yet voting an Olympic level event.
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>>814475
Context matters. Lived in Alabama. Its no coincidence that every black majority area is fucked in one way or the other. From voting to schools being underfunded yet having white council members making ~100k a year each. Perhaps you're just a zoomer so you're world didn't exist pre 2001. But the people who grew up in those racist eras are still alive and kicking and also in power positions.

I do agree if the dems could ignore a group that voted mostly conservative they'd do it in a heart beat, but they wouldn't be near as vicious about it (see California outside the major cities).
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>>819267
you have not indicated how these laws target minorities specifically though, you are just reiterating that you think they are racist. How so?
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>>819452
>muh beautiful new GA Jim Crow voting restrictions required 500+ pages to only require ID's *wink wink*. Ignore the fact that we have mandated no DMV sites within a 50 mile radius of the ghetto, that's just a coincidence. Ignore the fact the gerrymandered Legislature will now void all election results if a Republican 2 yo old toddler candidate whines and cries and declare said 2 yo the winner
W-we i-is kangs 'n shite, we don't need to cheat to win *wink wink*. The Founding Fathers clearly supported Jim Crow voting restrictions, so we is the original originalists, OK?
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>>819200
> There is nothing whatsoever about this that suggests racism, even though the food law is dumb I don't see what it has to do with ethnicity at all.

Long voting lines are most common in majority black areas, thus a law that makes standing in line for 2 hours to vote even harder will disproportionately affect black voters.
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Atlanta Mayor says the MLB moving All-Star Game from Georgia 'is likely the first of many dominoes to fall' in pushback against new voting law


https://www.businessinsider.com/atlanta-mayor-bottoms-mlb-all-star-game-georgia-voting-law-2021-4
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>>819684
Good. I hope corporate America fights back as hard as it can. Not because I like corporate America but because I want to see them clash with the side of the political spectrum that has enabled them for so many many years...
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>>819452
I'll have you know that I was a student at Harvard University studying sociology when I discovered (and proved) that non whites can not be expected to provide proof of voting eligibility in the same manner as white people racistly expect them to. I spent all semester researching why disadvantaged minorities don't vote in the same numbers as white people and I came to the irrefutable conclusion that there is mass voter suppression going on because these people can't be expected to provide proof of eligibility like the white population. It's eurocentric to want to validate eligibility to vote. Indeed, nearly every country in the EU requires some form of proof of voting eligibility before they let a citizen vote.
Horribly disenfranchised.
My PhD dissertation was on the topic of voting disenfranchisement. In it I argued successfully that egalitarian voting can only be done in models such as california. We must rely on an individuals self attestation that they are eligible to vote and we must keep these voting records secure with the state Secretary and have codified in law that the state Secretary may not under any circumstance transfer any voting records to outside departments for the purpose of eligibility verification, as this would open up the floodgates for racist ice policies to deport people.
So don't take the moral ground on me you fascist, I've worked my entire life to remove eligibility verification from voting so that the entire population is franchised and the racist expectation that minority populations prove the same eligibility that we expect from white people be shelved
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Cry me a river either get an id or your to stupid to vote. Not complicated.
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You morons do realize that there are more Chinese voters than there are Americans, right? If you won't ID real voters, then you're going to deserve losing control of your own country.
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>>819714
>I'll have you know that I was a student at Harvard University

And yet you have nothing better to do than post on 4chan? Colour me skeptical.
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>>819688
Ha ha trump has declared war on corporations

>>819529
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>>814413
How is requiring ID to vote anything like hanging niggers from frees until dead & burning churches with nigger babies in them? Would anyone like to explain that logically to me?
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I live in South Africa, to vote you need an South African Identity document. Not a drivers license or any other document. It must be the official ID issued by the government. In addition you must be registered at your voting station. No person in South Africa struggles with this. Only a person who sees blacks as less than whites would have think they are incapable of handling simple voter registration. Maybe you should have spent more time researching voter registration in Africa and less time been a virtue signaling bigot.
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>>819755
>white South African apartheid supporter advocates for Jim Crow legislation in the US
You don't know shit about how these Jim Crow restrictions are implemented, Pieter Willem. Suggest you examine the techniques your white minority govt.used during apartheid. Btw, count your blessings that once the blacks took over they were magnanimous enough to not persecute you.
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>>819778
>your white minority govt.
Isn't that what you'd call ideal? The minority group having greater representation and institutional power
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>>819802
Don't worry Mary Lou, the 2020 census results will show you nearing minority status @ 55%-60% and 2030 will seal the deal. Then you will be a minority, but whether your apartheid Jim Crow regime will continue in power is an altogether different matter :/
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>>819811
So then you believe whites should gain more institutional power in the US?
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>>819802
>Isn't that what you'd call ideal? The minority group having greater representation and institutional powe
To these people the definition of minority is not the dictionary definition.
It means "those whom are non-semitic white"
it has nothing to do with minority, it just has to do with the fact that they are racist themselves or they are self hating baizuo
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>>819813
In what bizarro fever dream did you infer that?
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>>819851
>non-white minorities in white majority country should have more power
>white minority in black majority country should have less power
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Democrats, the original party of slavery, are bringing back segregation and currently calling every one else racists.
To be a democrat is to truly be retarded
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>>819861
>it's another ignore the southern strategy argument
How tiresome.
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>>819858
Theoretically under the US constitution they should have equal power.
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>>819755
Does South Africa combine its voter ID law with policies specifically designed to make it harder for black people to obtain an eligible ID? Like limiting DMV hours or shutting down locations entirely in majority black neighborhoods?

No one is claiming that black people are somehow inherently incapable of obtaining ID, the problem is that Republicans try to make the process as hard as possible for them and other Dem-leaning groups because they don't actually give a damn about "election integrity", they just don't want the people who oppose them to be able to utilize their constitutional right to vote. Republicans aren't just enemies of the Democrats, they're enemies of democracy.
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>>819866
We threw that in the trash with affirmative action and protected group status
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>>819688
Republicans aren't going to repeal the law because it's 100% necessary for them to steal election. Georgia could burn to the ground as a result of the vote suppression law the Republicans passed and they'd still consider it acceptable losses.
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>>819873
>Conservatives are against equal rights and equal representation
Makes sense given they've come out as fascists.
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>>814413
maybe this is why?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/V1YbsIjWNkLn/
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>>820583
Not clicking a malware link, care to just explain the link?
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>>819644
thank you for answering the question instead of just sperging out.
>>820066
you have overused this word to the point that it has absolutely no value anymore, much like the word racist. People like you have taken a sensible concern and worried it down in a useless nub. Keep going, and people are going to embrace these terms, just because you are so hysterical and annoying that they think it is funny to spite you
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How is thiefing an election.. democracy? The only thing that Democrats and their friends have in common with real democracy is a similar name which is most unfortunate because commies don't believe in personal freedoms.
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>>821019
Except it's not given Republicans are fascists, did you forget about their failed coup attempt on 1/6 or how the Jim Crow law was pushed solely on the Big Lie?
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>>821318
>You use fascist too much and it has no meaning anymore
>But fascists
The bot is broken
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>>821019
>>821318
It appears "fascist" hits too close to home for the GOP Party of Trump so they squirm and squeal when tagged.
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>>821397
There comes a point when crying wolf that nobody cares anymore
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>>821404
You do though.
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>>814455
the logic is that immigrants are too stupid to get an ID but they are just the right amount of stupid to vote democrat
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>>814414
>>814414

Ever since Democrats cancelled free and fair elections, the nation has been under a coup d'état.

Biden is just a puppet.
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>>814587
why would they need anything new? It's STILL the same DNC faggots doing the same corrupt shit





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