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>Seriously - These people need to be told to shut the fuck up

NAACP sues Trump and Giuliani after Jan. 6 riots

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/16/naacp-trump-giuliani-capitol-riots-469077

On the heels of the Senate's acquittal of Donald Trump, the NAACP, Mississippi Rep. Bennie Thompson and civil rights law firm Cohen Milstein Sellers & Toll filed a lawsuit against the former president, Rudy Giuliani and two white supremacist groups, citing their role in the Jan. 6 insurrection.The lawsuit, filed Tuesday morning in Federal District Court for the District of Columbia, alleges that Trump and Giuliani, in collaboration with the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, conspired to incite the riots to keep Congress from certifying the results of the 2020 presidential election. It claims they did so in violation of the Ku Klux Klan Act, a Reconstruction-era statute designed to protect both formerly enslaved African Americans and lawmakers in Congress from white supremacist violence.Reps. Hank Johnson and Bonnie Watson Coleman will join the litigation as plaintiffs in the coming days, according to a press release shared with POLITICO.
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>>792298
>NAACP
>founded and run by jew to this day
big think
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>>792298
Htf does white supremacist MS, the poorest State in the union and ranking either the lowest or near the very bottom by any metric other than # of Evangelical churches per square mile, elect a black as a Representative?
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>>792310
Black voters are more likely to vote for black representatives. What’s more amazing is Hank Johnson asking a Naval officer if putting to much military supplies on Guam would cause it to tip over, and that he was re elected. Google it. It’s hilarious to see the look on the officers face, but he holds it in.
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>>792298
>Cohen Milstein Sellers & Toll
Every. Single. Time.
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>>792310
>i dont understand how the American electoral system works
As expected of a chang.
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>>792339
>le every single time XD
Fuck off cringy child. Adults are talking.
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>>792355
>stop noticing things!
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>>792334
This. What most people do not understand is that Blacks are actually far more racist than any other racial group, and will fall for the identity politics scam at the drop of a hat. A candidate could be a complete mouthbreathing retard, and black, and blacks would still vote for him. A black person could be so guilty of a murder there is literally still unwashed bloodstains on his hands in the courtroom and blacks in the jury will say not guilty. This is actually the reason libshits had to try and redefine racism as "muh prejudice + power" because black people are prejudice and collectivist-minded as fuck and the left must do everything they can to hide this dirty fact.
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>>792298
Gonna be wonderful to see them have to go up against a jury who didn't partially assist in the crime.
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>>792298
>NAAJP
Because of J€w$, we all lose
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>>792355
Kill yourself kike
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>>792548
>This is actually the reason libshits had to try and redefine racism as "muh prejudice + power"
Not try, did. And it's correct. When whites and their systemic racism has had the sole of an iron boot pressed against their throat for centuries, wanting to remove that boot isn't racism - it's a demand for freedom and justice. That's like saying the Indians led by Ghandi were racists for attempting to throw off the yoke of exploitative colonialism. That makes no sense whatsoever. Wheteas the British colonialists were unrepentently racist even towards the Indian bootlickers who worked in lower level administrative posts.
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>>792581
>This is your mind on collectivism

Go google "Compositional fallacy", print out the definition, nail it to a random wall, and then repeatedly bash your head into it until it sinks into your stupid skull how much of a retarded faggot you are.
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>>792610
That requires a lie and I'm not seeing it chief.
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>>792613
not anon, but your redefinition of racism is utter bullshit.
If a white person hates mexicans in the US its racist.
If a white person moves to mexico, where mexicans are in control of the power structure its still racist to be prejudiced against mexicans.

If a jap is racist against a black person in japan (and trust me, they are) you expect me to believe that its no longer racist if that jap moves to the congo?

Racism is racism pal. ragardless of what country your in, whos leading who and definately regardless of what skin color you label a power structure with.

people form all ethnicities and all countries over the world have racist people of all strokes.

grow out of your amero-centric views dipshit
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>>792613
Compositional errors in reasoning have nothing to do with dishonesty you literal double digit IQ monkey.
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>>792581
You're either white or black.

Go tell Asians and Latinos that black people can't be racist. Pro-tip, being called a wetback doesn't suddenly become an innocent joke if it's coming from between black teeth.
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>>792581
Oh good god the stupid, it burns. The average ordinary person walking down the street has no control over the political landscape they were likely born into, and therefore holding them responsible for 'muh colonialism' makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Justifying hatred of people based on their perceived group identity is literally the exact same reasoning that leads to the problems caused by racism in the first place. By even trying to do so, you are actually just showing that you don't even understand the philosophical and ethical reason behind why discrimination is wrong. What a fucking idiot. Go back to plebit.
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>>792548
>What most people do not understand is that repugnicons are actually far more stupid than any other religious group, and will fall for the identity politics scam at the drop of a hat. A candidate could be a complete mouthbreathing retard, and by registering as a repugnicon, right-wing Evangelicals will still vote for him. A repugnicon could be so guilty of a armed insurrection and treason against their own country there is literally still unwashed bloodstains on his hands in the courtroom and repugnicons in the jury will say not guilty. This is actually the reason Evangelical sky magic believers had to try and create the strawman of 'liberalism' as "muh atheists + muh gommunists + power" because repugnicons are racist pieces of shit, too stupid to tie their own shoes, and collectivist-minded, tribal troglodytes as fuck and the right must do everything they can to hide these dirty facts.
So. Much. Projection. It's all that Qaren has left.
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>>792548
Marjorie Taylor Greene is in our congress right now, from an 85% white district, and believes Jewish space lasers cause forest fires. Black people are not unique in electing total fucking retards to elect them.
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>>792788
>Black people are not unique in electing total fucking retards to elect them.
Or maybe its just that poor whites and blacks are becoming so jaded and disinterested they either dont care or do it out of spite.
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>>792298
Don't lawsuits have to have an injured party? Who are the NAACP claiming deserves money from Trump and Giuliani?
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>Don't lawsuits have to have an injured party? Who are the NAACP claiming deserves money from Trump and Giuliani?
They claim the NAACP deserves money. They have not stated an amount.
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>>792870
jews gonna jew
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>>792870
Then it'll likely be thrown out for lack of standing since the NAACP do not have the voting rights that the KKK Act is meant to protect.
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>>792885
The standing comes from an elected politician, and naacp member.
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>>792610
>The fallacy of composition arises when one infers that something is true of the whole from the fact that it is true of some part of the whole.
It doesn't apply at all. Opposing the imposition of oppression and systemic racism by those doing the oppressing has nothing to do with racism. If a group of "Uncle Tom's" joined with those in power to support oppression they would be equally opposed. Conversely, those whites who joined with MLK in seeking justice were not discriminated against by the blacks and in fact were welcomed as fellow social justice warriors.

In the India example, it's a bit different because the anglos in India almost universally despised the Indians they held in bondage so very few joined Ghandis movement for independence. Read some Orwell ("Burmese Days" and various essays) to see first hand accounts of the intense level of hatred anglos had for Indians. The Indians cannot be termed racist for fighting for their freedom against oppression.
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>>792895
If there was a single anglo that did not despise Indians, then it would be racist to hate them for being an anglo. To hold all members of a race accountable for systemic racism is racist. And >>792581 is doing exactly that. The idea that prejudice is justifiable when such prejudiced beliefs can easily be shown to be false is indefensible. The concept of systemic racism allows people to ignore individual responsibility for racist elements in a society and attribute responsibility for those elements to an entire race. In lieu of identifying racist policies, people take a shortcut to rail against a vaguely defined system in order to push policies that are not in line with the ideas of equality and justice for all.
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>>792355
it's just a coincidence right
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>>792898
The idea of racism having any meaning w/o being incorporated and implemented throughout the institutions of controlling power is absurd. It's of no importance whatsoever because there is no means of enforcement or power behind it. It's like a dog and cat fighting - it effects nothing, whereas the systemic racism effects everything for those it is directed against. To deny systemic racism by the predominantly white power structure for the majority of American history is willful and intentional misdirection and denial of reality, aka gaslighting. Claiming that blacks opposing it and striving for social and economic justice is racism against whites is an even worse absurdity.
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>>792949
If you're going to ignore what I said and regurgitate the same rehearsed bullshit then you may as well not post as at all.
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>NAACP
>run entirely by jews
what do blacks think of this jewish organization that "speaks for them"
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>>792581
you're not even making an argument, you're just writing fan fiction. european supremacy hasn't always been a thing, so back when western europe was an underdog, their racism was justified by the same logic, right? what changed since then? are you just going to keep guessing which group is more privileged and malign everyone against them? maybe it would make more sense to forget your preoccupation with skin colour and address the fact that your god forsaken country kills tens of thousands of third worlders every year to fight over resources with russia and china. drone strikes dont discriminate based on race. im tired of hearing americans take the moral high ground. you have no right to take the moral high ground.
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Comments about “woke crowd” and all your poor persecution as a conservative mixed with subtle and blatant racism and anti-semitism.

So which is it? Are you racists who think race dictates your behavior? Or is that a stereotype about conservatives that libtards use to discredit and insult the right?

It can’t be both.

Either you are racist or at the very least accept racism as a legit point of view.

Or racism is not what conservatism is about and the left is actually racists who are projecting that onto the right.

But if the latter is correct then why is their so much racism coming from the right mixed in here in this discussion?
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>>793235
>conservatives are one person
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>>792610
Interesting how you call out the compositional fallacy regarding white people in this thread but not the two posts right before it that collectivized Jewish people and black people.
I wonder why this is?? Hmmmm a real head scratcher there, almost like you might have an agenda
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>>793237
Also don't forget that libertarians, federalists, and constitution party are all also one person.

In fact, everyone who doesn't agree with SoCals woke agenda is all one person.
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>>793254
So you agree that the compositional fallacy is bad, since it is wrong to collectivize Jews, blacks, and whites.
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>>792895

You realize that your attempted explanation of how it's not a compositional fallacy, directly contradicts your previous statement right?

By saying

>Conversely, those whites who joined with MLK in seeking justice were not discriminated against by the blacks and in fact were welcomed as fellow social justice warriors.

You are ultimately admitting that not all white people are "guilty" as you claim. Lets say one of these white people that marched with MLK is killed by a black person for being white because the black person assumed he was an "oppressor" based on the color of his skin. This completely blows your rationale out of the water. By rank-applying the concept of "collonialism" to one race, and then claiming the other cannot be discriminatory by that rank application, you ABSOLUTELY ARE committing a BLATANT compositional fallacy.

This is why no one likes you critical race theorists. You people legitimately have the logic and reasoning capabilities of a rabid shrew. The saddest part is you are probably too stupid to even understand why you are objectively wrong, as shown by the fact that you completely contradicted your own reasoning in your attempt to make it stay solvent. Pathetic.
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>>793632
>You are ultimately admitting that not all white people are "guilty" as you claim.
The whites created and maintained the institutions to be directly oppressive against people based solely on skin color for centuries. Did every white support them? No, some actively opposed them. Nevertheless, the white race ultimately bares responsibility for the oppression. Who do you think it was, the boogeyman of the day, the Chinese? Do you think whites weren't responsible for the systemic racism institutionalised through apartheid in South Africa? But you want to try to argue the blacks are racist because they opposed it?
>Lets say one of these white people that marched with MLK is killed by a black person for being white because the black person assumed he was an "oppressor" based on the color of his skin
Stop making ridiculous scenarios. I'm giving real life examples and you want to play games.
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>>793664
>the white race ultimately bares responsibility for the oppression
A race can't bear responsibility, only individuals are responsible for their actions.
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>>793664

Holding an entire group accountable for the actions of a few is literally a textbook example of compositional fallacy.

The same logic was used against the Jews in Nazi Germany, claiming that all Jews are responsible for the actions of a few engaged in usury.

>Stop making ridiculous scenarios. I'm giving real life examples and you want to play games.

It's called reductio ad absurdum and it's a valid form of argument that has been used for centuries.

https://iep.utm.edu/reductio/

Pushing bad ideas to their logic conclusion is what anyone actually capable of logic and reasoning always does. It's one of the most important tools of reason to detect bad ideas. If your ideology cannot maintain itself in the face situations that push limitis and cause it to contradict itself, then it's subjective bullshit. And that's exactly what critical race theory is: subjective self-contradictory horseshit that fails to maintain solvency when put through real scrutiny.

I'm sorry you got brainwashed by shitty teachers, but the reality is your shit beliefs are very easily debunked using basic reason.
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>>792298
Seethe and dilate, 56%.
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>>793237
>>793302
>Conservatives? We're all nuanced and varied. But I can generalize everyone I don't like into a generic blanket "leftists"
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>>794913
I wish more people understood that liberals and conservatives were all nuanced people and the only "one person" is porky
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>>794067
>Holding an entire group accountable for the actions of a few is literally a textbook example of compositional fallacy
Which is precisely what the whites did when they implemented Jim Crow apartheid and still do today with institutional racist policies and actions which manifest in double standards like "stop and frisk" for blacks only or police brutality against black suspects. It's like the 13/50 assertion by sturmdrumpfers, when the reality is it's less than 2% of the 13%.
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>>792788
The difference is that she will not be re elected. Hank Johnson and Maxine Waters will be over and over
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>>792298
>in collaboration with the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, conspired
They just lost their case though, pretty sure this is just a fundraising grab to keep themselves in the news
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First it was the stolen election and all efforts to seal the steal and now it is the fake insurrection by Trump supporters. When you lie and cheat you always got to double down to keep outta hot water.
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>>795098

Correct. All forms of negative racial identity politics are compositional fallacies.

Which is precisely why critical race theory is a garbage theory believed only by people who lack critical thinking skills. Trying to fix racism with racial idpol is like trying to save a burning house by pouring napalm on it. There is a very good reason that CRT has absolutely zero verifiable evidence for being effective at what it claims to accomplish, because it's bullshit.
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>>792949
>To deny systemic racism by the predominantly white power structure for the majority of American history is willful and intentional misdirection and denial of reality, aka gaslighting. Claiming that blacks opposing it and striving for social and economic justice is racism against whites is an even worse absurdity.
The United States as founded as a white nation. If we give blacks freedom, equal rights, and currently above-equal considerations, and they can't even be grateful for it, we're just not compatible as people. The idea that they go back to Africa shouldn't be seen as offensive, it's an earnest suggestion if they aren't happy living in a majority white nation with a white history and a white culture. They're showing us that virtually nothing whites do, no matter how destructive it is to ourselves, will satisfy them.
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>>795098
>reality is it's less than 2% of the 13%.
So, are you saying that 2% are responsible for 50% of the violent crime?
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>>795435
No. It's closer to 2 percent does 37 percent.

About 15 percent of the black population is male, between 15 and 40.

Just being more granular about the data.

>>795412
>compositional fallacies.
I wasn't aware anyone here could even post in complete sentences not provided directly from Media Matters or the CCP.
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>>795435
*The liberal's head explodes*
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>>792949
You didn't actually touch on the reasoning behind the post you are responding too in any way, shape, or form.

His point was that on an individual level, holding people accountable for the supposed sins of those who share some identity group with them will ultimately result in a person being punished for a crime they did not personally commit, which is the very definition of injustice.


Your response is pretty much that it doesn't matter because "muh collective", when his entire point is that collectivism leads to this very injustice. You are basically asserting that only collectivism matters in order to prove that only collectivism matters. This is circular reasoning.
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>>793664
My friend got killed by a black guy a few years ago. Does that mean I should hate all black people now?
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>>795531
Not just black people but jewish people as well.
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>>795531
>Does that mean I should hate all black people now?
The institutions of power already have done that for you and have ingrained that into you from birth. You were a living example prior to your friend being killed. That didn't change shit except provide you confirmation bias.
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>>795412
>There is a very good reason that CRT has absolutely zero verifiable evidence for being effective at what it claims to accomplish, because it's bullshit.
Reform of institutions with demonstrable evidence of racism such as the justice system, judicial, law enforcement and penal are not bullshit. In fact, it's the foundation of CRT. Ignoring the historical and contemporary role of institutionalized systemic racism throughout the US is the bullshit.
It's equivalent to calling a pile of Crap in Cap feces a sweet smelling rose. Yet that's precisely what the Trump GOP attempted to do with the white nationalist/supremacist "1776 Commission" - white wash (pun intended) the dark history of the US and the current racial injustices.
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>>792298
>kikes continue to shill and push the DOTR closer
What a surprise
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>>795437
I always thought the 13/50 was actually generous considering males commit violent crimes at 6 times the rate females do. Couple that with the fact 80 year old grandmothers and kids don’t commit many either. I think maybe she 15 is too high of a number and may have to come down to 12 or 13, given the numbers of car jackings being reported. Funny how you don’t see the armed private security guards and tacteams being used at Chicago’s gas stations to try to give residents a chance to fill up their cars without getting car jacked. There are 269 reported car jacking with only 4 arrests yielding a mere 1.5% arrest rate. Conviction rates will obviously be lower. I suppose that if Chicago had a stand your ground law and castle doctrine that extended to your auto, these numbers would go down sharply when the car jackers met some resistance, such as high speed lead poisoning.
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>>795543
>All this confirmation yet it's still a bias
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>>795643
>I suppose that if Chicago had a stand your ground law and castle doctrine that extended to your auto, these numbers would go down sharply when the car jackers met some resistance, such as high speed lead poisoning.
Ban the defense rifle
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>>795650
If you don't like the plans they have for us with half the country armed to the teeth, you're really not going to like the plans they've made for when it's not.
A rifle, in the right hands poses a much bigger risk to a tyrannical government than handguns. A rifle on the rooftop of city buildings is almost indefensible to those in an alley below, compared to a handgun that has less energy, range and accuracy at extended range. This is the reason they are so eager to relieve you of them.
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>>795668
>>795650
>>795643
The overarching issue here is that nobody wants to talk about how to prevent crime. All anybody wants to do is talk about how to stop crime once its already occurred. That's great and all but shooting more car jackers won't do anything to address the conditions that cause people to want to jack cars. If every gas station and Chicago erected giant armed sentries around their pumps the amount of people in the city who commit crime to earn money would remain exactly the same. Neighborhoods would still be impoverished. People would still lack sufficient education and employment opportunities. Just on its face, ending the war on drugs and restructuring DEA scheduling would eliminate a massive amount of street violence. It always perplexes me why everyone fixates so intently on ways in which to better kill criminals yet the conversation on what we can do to stop people from becoming criminals in the first place always gets passed over.
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>>795670
So what do you suggest? Subsidizing housing, food, utilties, education, transportation, school lunches, and having more crumb catchers hasn’t worked. It would be great if it did. Legalizing all drugs, like Oregon did is going to be a giant bite in the ass. Gang culture and absent fathers go a long way in what path these kids take.
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>>795685
>So what do you suggest? Subsidizing housing, food, utilties, education, transportation, school lunches, and having more crumb catchers hasn’t worked.
Throwing money blindly at the issue is not the solution. The solution is comprehensive, community wide reform of the education and healthcare system - more teachers, more extra-curricular activities, bigger investment in the arts, free lunch programs, expanded scholarship opportunities, more health clinics, family planning services and preventative care. Massive investment in the infrastructure of low-income communities, housing initiatives, small-business grants and loan expansion, upgraded transportation, vocational rehabilitation services for low income people and newly released convicts - helping them build resumes, jobs training programs, transitional housing and drug rehabilitation. Every piece of data we have on the matter shows that, on a generational timeline, every dollar we invest into community/social programs comes back to us tenfold. For every $5 we spend on a kid's education or after school jazz band classes or Boys and Girls club activities is $100 we don't have to spend on a parole officer or court appointed monitoring when this kid turns to a life on the street because his school was dirt poor and gave him nothing to do with his time. Giving people opportunity works. Every nordic country is a shining example of this. They have the biggest welfare programs in the world and not only is their recidivism rates the lowest but they have the fewest poor people and highest rates of wealth mobility.

>Legalizing all drugs, like Oregon did is going to be a giant bite in the ass.
Not legalize. Decriminalize. Treating drug use like a medical issue instead of a criminal one is less expensive and more effective.

>Gang culture and absent fathers go a long way in what path these kids take.
Well that's the big question, isn't it? Why does gang culture exist and what's the solution to addressing it?
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>>795694
Back in 1992 or 93 I read a long article in the National Review when it was still real conservative. The guy that wrote the article had finished a ten year study on black children raised in the urban slums all over America. He witnessed how a black single mom would raise some daughters who would start having kids early. Grandma would report the daughters raising their kids badly and become the Foster mom and get paid per child. Daughters kept having bastard children and Granny would take them in. And they all lived in the same house and shared yearly incomes around and over $100,000. The male children were pretty much ignored cuz they had little worth but the baby daughters were trained to follow their mothers into the same game their mother and granny played.

The boys raised themselves on the streets and they learned early to steal any way they could to live. They had no idea of right and wrong, they had no control of their desires, if they wanted something they figured how to get it right now. They respected no one. Most had messed up heads because of drugs, and by the time these kids could be profiled as predator's who in a couple of years would turn into super predator's.

Of course the entire article was scandalized as being racist. I thought the best way to deal with the issue was to pick up every black 10 year old and profile them. If they fit the profile hold their head under water for 10 minutes and be done with the threat.

But the gov. on all levels did nothing except put the into prisons (because there is big money in building and filling prisons) and so that is why the prisons have more blacks in them than Whites or Mexicans.

If someone wants to do something about it, then change the black's current culture.
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>>795730
>If someone wants to do something about it, then change the black's current culture.
I don't even know where to begin responding to the very odd anecdote you just gave so I'm just gonna skip it.

I just gave you the solution for changing the culture. Cultural change doesn't just happen because you want it to. It requires massive institutional and environmental shifts. The fact that some kids in upper class areas are never even presented with the option to sell drugs or join a gang has a massive influence on their outcomes. The fact that some kids have the choice to join basketball teams or band classes or after-school sports has a statistical affect on whether or not they'll go on to graduate high school or college. Saying "make the culture better" is a very easy statement to make but its almost a moot point given that we already have conclusive data on the sorts of policies that yield better outcomes. Kids who eat better do better in school. Kids who have after school programs get arrested less. Kids who have access to tutoring services test better and get into better colleges. We know what works, why not do it? If getting a good education and living in an area where it wasn't economically necessary to sell drugs and commit crime becomes normal to the next generation of black children, don't you think it would change their culture? Given how increased access to wealth and opportunity massively changed the culture of European Americans over the centuries I don't see why it wouldn't.
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>>795745
Your argument gets blown the fuck out when you compare other immigrant groups, who settled in the same shitty communities, and yet massively outperform foundational black communities.

Wanna know why Korea Town in LA is no longer Korea Town? Because Koreans have a culture that emphasises the nuclear family and hard work, so despite sharing the same resources as the surrounding black communities they got the fuck outta there and into the 'burbs.
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>>795548

The problem is that CRT doesn't actually do any of that.

It instead asserts, without evidence, that any racial statistical difference must be the result of discrimination. But since it can't actually specify what exact and specific modules without those institutions ( again, because it's bullshit ) are causing the proposed racism, it effectively places its foundations entirely in an unfalsifiable claim. "There is racism somewhere within this organization, no we don't know what's causing it."
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>>795548
You're just repeating your brainwashing and ignoring peoples points. Answer the question faggot: If crt was effective at stopping anything you just complained about, why is there no proof of said effectiveness?
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>>795785
>why is there no proof of said effectiveness
Because republicans block it all
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>>795548
There is a friend of my family whom owns a Chinese restaurant.
They are Chinese. The restaurant is in a pretty fucking ghetto neighborhood. It is mostly Hispanic and black.
They have owned the restaurant for about 7 years now. (Maybe it was 5 I'm not sure)
They get robbed roughly every 1-2 months according to them.
Not a single time have they been robbed by anyone who is not black.

Are the hispanics in the neighborhood disproportionately affecting the blacks forcing them to rob?
Or is it the white people making them rob?

Or is it the Chinese or other asians who are not white at all and succeed in rates greater than other demographics which makes your entire theory shirt unless if you puke out garbage about them being honorary whites... It's fucking culture you shit bag. Culture and family values drives everything I just mentioned
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>>795756
>Your argument gets blown the fuck out when you compare other immigrant groups, who settled in the same shitty communities, and yet massively outperform foundational black communities.
No it doesn't. Other immigrant groups outperforming black communities actually supports my argument. When Irish and Italian immigrants came to America they were considered sub-human. They were racially segregated into very poor, impoverished ghettos alongside other undesirable racial immigrant groups and their crime rates were through the roof. Italians and the Irish being summarily rejected from traditional "white" racial hierarchies are the sole reason the New York, Chicago and Cleveland crime families were born. Over the years, the Irish in New England and the Italians in New York were slowly absorbed into the American ethos, given political representation in their greater communities and now, not only are most of them considered white, but their economic outcomes have pretty much equalized with what we would consider the native born population. Black people never got

>Wanna know why Korea Town in LA is no longer Korea Town?
>Because Koreans have a culture that emphasises the nuclear family and hard work, so despite sharing the same resources as the surrounding black communities they got the fuck outta there and into the 'burbs.
Not only are Asian nations really the worst example you could possibly use as the shining symbol of cultural and racial hegemony, the reason Asian immigrants do so well is because most of the recent migrants are people who can afford to make international moves to America. Koreans came voluntarily. Blacks did not. The history of Korean immigrants in America is incredibly different from black populations. Its apples and oranges. Even if I were to take what you're saying as true, why wouldn't enacting policies that we know for a fact improves outcomes change the culture of people with bad outcomes?
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>>795795
>There is a friend of my family whom owns a Chinese restaurant.
Your anecdotes are irrelevant to socioeconomic data.

>Culture and family values drives everything I just mentioned
Ok. Lets follow this. Why is their culture and family values worse than everyone else's?

>>795785
>If crt was effective at stopping anything you just complained about, why is there no proof of said effectiveness?
Because CRT is just a lens of analysis. Its in the name - its a theory. Theories don't do anything if not codified into policy. We can teach CRT in every classroom across the nation but unless its actually translated into policy the existence of an academic mode of analysis doesn't have the power to just grow legs and magically change anything on its own.
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>>795745
So, on top of subsidies in housing, utilities, transportation, food, education, healthcare. We need to double down and then we’ll finally see the big payoff of ten or twenty fold. ( which is it)? It will take a lot to get the foundational money machine of babies equal a payday to disrupt the cycle. Part of the opposition to funding the things you suggest, is all of the other things (mentioned) are already funded and it doesn’t seem to be helping.
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>>795806
>We need to double down and then we’ll finally see the big payoff of ten or twenty fold. ( which is it)?
No, we need to completely shift the way we look at social programs. As I said before, blindly throwing money at schools and health clinics is not what improves things. I advocate for doing the opposite of doubling down. I advocate for doing different things entirely.

>Part of the opposition to funding the things you suggest, is all of the other things (mentioned) are already funded and it doesn’t seem to be helping.
The thing is that they haven't been funded. The educational systems and economic infrastructure of lower income areas has only gotten worse and worse as time goes on and as wealth is concentrated in smaller pockets of the city and once bustling communities have slipped into poverty. Affordable housing has been priced out, wages have stagnated and, as a result, the property taxes we use to fund school districts have caused these institutions to cut their budgets to almost non-functioning levels. What we've funded is food stamps, welfare and meaningless stop gap policies that keeps impoverished people alive. This is a classic give a man a fish/teach a man to fish scenario. Keeping people alive is not the same as expanding their opportunities. We already have sufficient data from programs like public health initiatives, tutoring programs and small business initiatives. We know these things work we just flat out don't do them. A big step in fixing issues in inner cities is ending the war on drugs. Decriminalizing drugs and massively expanding rehab and job programs would not only employ more people coming out of prison, it would reduce the number of drug users, massively lighten the load on the criminal justice system and flood these communities with an increase in labor force and taxable income. We know this works because Nordic countries have successfully been doing this for decades.
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>>795795
You're exactly the type of person who thinks that telling a dumb little anecdote constitutes solid and well-reasoned evidence. Not only that, you're dumb enough to think that other people will find it meaningful and persuasive, completely oblivious to your own idiocy and ineptitude. Bravo, champ.
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>>795808
>A big step in fixing issues in inner cities is ending the war on drugs. Decriminalizing drugs
I can see decriminalized weed, as it was only put in the narcotics list to discriminate against black and Latinos. But why legalize heroin and meth, and all the other hard drugs? How does this help?
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>>795889
Except for the tiny little problem that what he is saying matches FBI and criminal statistics.
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>>795548
>demonstrable evidence of racism such as the justice system, judicial, law enforcement and penal

There is literally no evidence for any of this, unless you are a retard who thinks any statistical discrepancy between groups is evidence of oppression - which is an argument that has been fully exposed as a false dichotomy and roundly debunked.
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>>795790
No they don't lmao CRT has been present in the college class for years now and all it has produced is brainwashed virtue signalling turds that never accomplish anything and have shit ideas that are based on demonstrable logical fallacies. See, what you fuckmonkeys don't understand is that CRT is not some new idea. The core rational and basis for CRT has been around FOR CENTURIES and has been tried before in the past, and failed. It's just recycled marxism which is recycled inherited-guilt from the 1500s.

Just because some Gop politician you don't like thinks it's a bad idea doesn't magically make it a good idea.
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>>795694
>Decriminalize
That only turns a criminal offence into a civil offence. So, fines rather than jail time, but let's not forget what happens to people who don't pay their tickets. Decriminalization means that instead of everyone equally going to jail for drug possession, only the poor people who can't pay their fines will go to jail. Think of it like traffic violations. If you get a $1500 speeding ticket, you'll laugh at it if you're a lawyer, but you'll shit your pants if you work for Walmart.
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>>795926
Prohibition: Treating drug addiction as a crime, utilizing the penal system and an attitude of shame and guilt. The ultimate end goal is to punish the addict and institutionalize them.
Legalization: Treating drug addiction as a mental health problem, utilizing medical intervention and an attitude of pity and sympathy. The end goal is to cure the addiction and reintegrate the former addict back into society as a functioning, contributing member thereof.
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>>795790
So explain why it hasn't changed a damn thing in Liberal Canada.
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>>792788
Implying she is wrong.
>>792733
Nah, Republicans vote based on policy and the unfortunate thing is that the platform that the democratic party follows is absolutely toxic and intolerable.
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>>796028
That’s a tough sell. Some want to give dealers a pass too when it comes to drugs. Drugs are responsible for many other crimes. These crimes, like drug dealing, are not victimless. Prostitution, robbery, mugging, car jacking, child neglect, human trafficking and others, have narcotics involved. Rehab is great when it works, but drug abuse has a very steep and slippery slope. Decriminalizing it may increase use, if there is no consequence for the actions of being a user. I guess we will find out what the utopia that is Oregon ends up like in a few years. I don’t think that you will find a bunch of highly functional heroin and meth users that go to work every day. I think you are going to find a bunch of heroine and meth users that refuse to go to rehab and get put in jail for the other crimes they commit. That is, if the law considers shoplifting, assault and robbery crimes. We’ve seen a lot of these crimes being “decriminalized” (shoplifting under $1,000). These policies are going to bring about an expanded culture and generation of criminal that see’s from an early age that they can steal without consequence, endorsing them to continue.
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>>796116
Oddly, whenever there's been a removal of a prohibition against any drug (or alcohol), while there is usually a brief uptick initially, usage tends to go down - way down. When a prohibition is in effect, drugs (or alcohol) tend to get stronger and more dangerous, as there's an inherent profit motive to stuff more potent materials in less space. 40 proof alcohol was all but unheard of in America, before prohibition. The all time high for American alcohol related deaths per capita happened during prohibition, and dropped to 10% of its peak, within 4 years of its repeal.

MOST of the crime surrounding drugs, revolves about the desperate criminal empires that do the dealing and the related black market funded gangs, each of which has to demonstrate willingness to commit extreme violence to maintain power. The mafia nearly got powerful enough to take over the nation under prohibition (providing policing and even welfare in same areas), and fell apart shortly after it ended. We see similar patterns in developing nations today, where drug cash fueled cartels threaten the stability of entire governments.

Denying the right of an informed adult to consume that which they wish, does far more harm to the rest of the populous than just allowing them free agency ever would, and arrests for possession alone are basically incarceration for a harm that has yet to happen.

Label the shit out of it, treat them, throw the book at them when they commit crimes under the influence, but all making drugs illegal does is mess with the lives of folks that never use them and create a multi-trillion dollar black market that destabilizes the world while making it even more violent.
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>>796156
What do your studies say about drug use in countries that use the death penalty for trafficking?
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>>796181
That's actually pretty effective in some cases - it's indeed what the Taliban used to virtually end the opium trade in Afghanistan, before we invaded and undid that effort. Though it's a level of authoritarian force that no sane country uses, and if the government isn't particularly effective, it has been known to have the opposite of the desired effect, such as was the case in a few African nations, and arguably, the Philippines.
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>>796156
>When a prohibition is in effect, drugs (or alcohol) tend to get stronger and more dangerous,
I was under the impression (maybe wrong) that drugs get weaker with every hand that touches it, because they step on it with anything they can, like everything from baking soda to draino. The high death rate during the prohibition was probably due to the fact that you had amateurs making unregulated bathtub gun and were probably bottling up methanol.
Maybe what you said happens with opiates more, with the mixing a little fentanyl in with the heroin. I don’t know many junkies, but the ones I have known are terrible humans that make everyone that they come into contact with miserable. Breaking into parents houses, in and out of jail, stealing anything that they can, to get another fix. They have been to rehab over, and over, and over to no avail. What difference does it make if they go to jail for stealing or for dealing and/ or possession? It’s just semantics. Heavily subsidized narcan just allows them to repeat the overdose scenario with less consequence of death. Funny how is subsidized heavily, but drugs like insulin aren’t. Now heroin dealers are selling Narcan with heroin as a safety net. I may seem callous, and I know that many people were prescribed addictive meds by doctors and they should get help, but when and where, in your scenario, do you draw the line and say enough? Ever?
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>>796277
Well, that is another factor. Illegal substances aren't subject to FDA safety regulation and labeling and the like, though things like crack cocaine get invented specifically because it's easier to illicitly transport a more compact substance, never mind how much the potency of weed has increased since it was made illegal, and how it spread from being an almost exclusively black community phenomenon.

Making drugs illegal just causes far more problems than it solves, every time, and spreads them far beyond the bounds of users and those affected directly by them. I'm not sure if the politicians who push for this just did so many drugs in school they didn't pay attention in history class, or if they are actually hoping to use that multi-trillion dollar black market to fund shady black ops, as has been known to happen from time to time, or simply increase the number of excuses they have to increase their authoritarian grip.

Used to be everyone assumed Congress did not have the power to make this kind of law regarding a natural substance, so they had to pull this elaborate scheme to create tax vouchers for marijuana, and then simply not print said vouchers. Now, the FDA can schedule any substance as illegal as a simple matter of policy, without even needing to so much as ask congress to pass a law.
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>>796290
>I know that many people were prescribed addictive meds by doctors and they should get help, but when and where, in your scenario, do you draw the line and say enough? Ever?
Frankly, never, though I realize that's not likely going to happen, outside of maybe Holland. I don't even like the idea of require prescriptions - though you do need a system to prevent cross-interactions, as there's too many for a non-professional to track.

You can label the shit out of it, so far as I'm concerned. Anything that might be dangerous should be so labeled (and I'd put sugar on that list, as its worse than several illegal drugs). But no one should be considered an irresponsible drug user, until they actually commit a crime under the influence. Drugs don't commit crimes, people do.

Granted, some laws treat being under the influence as a mitigating factor - and I think that should be quite the opposite. If you have an addiction, you're more apt to be a repeat offender than someone who doesn't. Offenders on drugs should be treated as more potent threats, not as less dangerous, as they voluntarily gave up their ability to tell right from wrong while allowing themselves to be in a situation where they could cause harm, and have demonstrated a lack of ability to prevent themselves from doing so again.

Not a user, nor do I encourage use, but free agency should be a guiding principle for law. You do not prevent an act that does not in itself cause harm without a very high percentage of consistency. DUI would be about where I'd draw that line.
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>>796297
I think the reluctance to legalize drugs comes from the fact that crime happens in order to support the drug habit. It’s not a question of it happening while under the influence like dui. It’s the breaking into cars, houses, businesses, mugging etc. Eventually every drug addict runs out of money from legitimate sources Then society has to support it by supplying things to be stolen.
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>> https://straightlinelogic.com/2018/09/11/frankly-my-dear-by-ol-remus/

Give this a read
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>>793664

People like you are honestly the worst type of racist. At least stormweenies and /pol/ nazis fully admit what they are, so while we can disagree with their race based identity politics AT LEAST THOSE FUCKERS ARE HONEST ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE.

Fucknuggets like you on the other hand, try to hide their racial bias behind political correctness. It's the same shit, soft bigotry of low expectations towards people of color, victor/victimhood shaming of whites as if being white automatically makes you responsible for all the ills of the world. Once the rationale behind your rant is unmasked it's clear that the core foundation of what you are saying is ultimately "Judge people for their racial collective and not as individuals." The only difference between you and stormweenies is that you are a liar and package your race-hate as "anti-racism". What a faggot.

Fuck off back to plebbit / SRS.
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>>796478
Go pray to your thrice God blessed "1776 Commission." Oops, I forgot, it's been swept into the rubbish bin, lol.
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>>796478
>the left are the real racists!
This will never catch on.
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>>796512
>we aren't racists we just judge people by their race
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>>796513
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
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>>796515
I'm a libertarian you fucking retard IDGAF about your directionbrain whataboutism.
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>>796515
It's not the sixties, and there are racists in many political group. Ignoring the racists in one group's ranks because a different group has racists too is absurd.
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>>796518
He's a partisan retard who thinks his racism is OK because "muh GoP" talking sense into him probably won't work since he clearly lacks basic reasoning skills.
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>>792548
Ignore the cherry pickers and blind idealogues, anon, your post is truth
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>>796516
I guarantee you don't support a single libertarian policy or ideal outside of MUH GUNS.
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>>796512
>people who support racial discrimination are the real racists!
yes
>>796515
>hehe conservatives were racist 60 years ago so that proves that we're not racist even though we support most of the things that 60s conservatives did
k
>>793664
>Nevertheless, the white race ultimately bares responsibility for the oppression
>Nevertheless, people ultimately bare responsibility for the things other people with the same skin color did
wew lad, I don't think you thought this one through
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>>796534
You know what that anon believes? You can read minds through the internet? Because it seems like you've cooked up an idea of him based exclusively on assumptions that you've pulled out of your ass.
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>>796537
It's simple. I'm not a racist, and you are, by your own admission. Neither of us are lying.
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>>796540
Or you could just let him reply instead of sucking him off
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>>796543
Calling out your bullshit is not sucking anyone off.
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Sounds like they are trying to drain Trump’s money by constantly taking him to court on the stupidest charges. Clearly, minorities were not targeted so the charges will be thrown out, but it still costs money to go to trial. They’ll keep taking him to court and drain his money with court costs.
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>>796547
It's not bullshit because I'm right.
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>>796554
>source: your ass
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>>796562
I'm waiting for my source but he won't reply for some reason. Some other guy that totally isn't the guy I replied to (I believe you!) for some reason can't prove me wrong.
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>>796515
>ThE gOp diD SOmtHinG RaCIst 60 YeErs AgO sO mY RaCisM iS FiNe

Imagine unironically being such a double digit IQ dumbfuck that you would even think for a second that this is a good argument.

forty keks.
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>>796573
You're having a reddit moment
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>>796542
I think you have that backwards anon. YOU have admitted to being racist, while I obviously am anti-racist
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>>796576
Oh look, it's the standard shill tactic of "Deflect from my stupidity by accusing people of being from reddit."

Bitchfaggot I bet you weren't even here for the great habbo raid of 2006.
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>>796600
You sound angry
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>>796602
>more deflecting
>more projection

lmao
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>>796573
>more projection
>more deflection

KEKUMS
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>>796573
>>796512
>the left are the real racists!
>This will never catch on.
much of the world believes this of American leftists.
白左 is what they call you in china
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>>796625
Dems are righists compared to most other first world democracies, but ok Vlad.
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>>796629
how eurocentric of you
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So is the NWO Marxist controlled NAACP saying they suffered loses from this event?
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>>796611
You're fooling no one plebbitor
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>>796629
How's Dem goalposts next to that strawman?
I said that much of the world thinks american leftists have racist policies
I didn't say they were left or right of anything.
Simply that they have racist policies they enact in the name of racism
Learn to read to stinky uneducated 白左
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>>792571
>Because of Ubermensch, Nazis lose

ftfy
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>>796634
They don't need legal standing to sue.
They the naa-mufugghin-cp.
You know what time it is
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>>796510
Rubbish bin
Go to the brexit thread, this doesn’t concern you
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>>796814
I luv how you lads get your pink panties knotted when I use British words. The snowflake level just goes off the charts. Go stand in a queue for water since your pipes all froze up, lol!
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>>792581
This isn't your social studies 101 course dipshit, you sound like a fucking idiot to everybody.
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>>796826
Imagine thinking racism is bad. I'd kill myself if I still had the mind of a highschooler.
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>>796653
>I said that much of the world thinks american leftists have racist policies
Source?
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>>796941
Speaking to normal human beings, who aren't seething and obsessed about things. Try it sometime
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>>796948
>Speaking to normal human beings
Which for you means your rightwing white supremacist butt buddies.
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>>793664
>The whites created and maintained the institutions to be directly oppressive against people based solely on skin color for centuries.
> the white race ultimately bares responsibility for the oppression.
You have to understand though that the reason for this is because white people created the country in the first place and did so for themselves and for their own benefit. You take the US for granted. It's extraordinarily kind that white people eventually gave equal rights to blacks living there, especially after giving them the option to leave or to stay with an understanding that the country was first and foremost for white people.
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>>796970
>option to leave
Most did not have the means to leave. There was some discussion about the government paying for their repatriation but that was rejected out of hand.

>to stay with an understanding that the country was first and foremost for white people.
Where was that ever stated? In your sturmdrumpfer fever dreams, I reckon.
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>>796970
>It's extraordinarily kind that white people eventually gave equal rights to blacks living there
I think on a scale of one to brainworms this is among the most toxically stupid takes on the internet. I hear this a lot and it seems like a pretty willful abjection of your own understanding of ethics because you'd never say this about any other dynamic. No one would say it's extraordinarily kind of a serial rapist eventually gives their rape victims the right to leave his sex dungeon or would say its extraordinarily kind it a thief eventually gave some property back to the people he's been stealing from. This is not even including the fact that historically, objectively, white people at no point during the reconstruction gave blacks equal rights to either live nor prosper in America. The years following the Civil War were arguably just as fucking brutal for blacks as slavery was. This just belies an underlying rejection of your own conception of ethics for the purpose of confirming your bias. If its extraordinarily kind for whites to let blacks stay under threat of subjugation then how is not extraordinarily kind and/or justified for blacks to burn down every last piece of property you own to cement a future in their birth land? It seems like this argument is synthesized entirely in the "white is good, black is bad" ethos and has nothing to do with kindness, equality or fairness of any kind. Every argument you make for white supremacy, according to your system of ethics, could be equally applied to BLM or even black nationalist movements. None of your principals are consistent at all.
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>>796988
>Most did not have the means to leave. There was some discussion about the government paying for their repatriation but that was rejected out of hand.
Organizations worked to fund this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Colonization_Society
Part of its failure was that blacks didn't want to go through with it.
>Where was that ever stated?
The first US congress, determining who would be the citizens of the new country, made it so that only white people could be citizens. The pre-amble to the Constitution mentions establishing the rights and liberties it would grant "to ourselves and our posterity." And as you say, they "created and maintained instutitons" for the sake of white people.
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>>796989
You see things with a 21st century western lens. First things first, slavery was a global practice going back thousands of years. Blacks themselves were guilty of it (and still practice it in Africa today, not that anyone cares enough to do anything about it or tars all blacks with that brush). If you want to analogize it as serial rape, it'd be as if serial rape was being practiced on other serial rapists and was legal and normal throughout the world to do, and then we decided, despite the rest of the world's acceptance of it, that it's not such a nice thing to do and ended the practice at our own mortal cost. To then take those people and give them equal rights to your own people is extraordinarily kind and something you take for granted.
>The years following the Civil War were arguably just as fucking brutal for blacks as slavery was
As it was for everyone. Life sucked in the 1800s. Do you think they shouldn't have bothered freeing them then?
>how is not extraordinarily kind and/or justified for blacks to burn down every last piece of property you own to cement a future in their birth land?
Why would that be kind? It'd be responding to kindness with ingratitude and hatred, which would have been a strong argument for not freeing the slaves, granting citizenship, or giving equal rights.

What's clouding your judgement is that because you're born in a country and era in which blacks do have equal rights and freedom, you think it was always supposed to be the case, and therefore any time when it wasn't the case was a terrible injustice when you compare it to modern standards. If you look at history like that, life was never worth living for anybody anywhere and everybody was evil. You have to have some sense of gratitude for how we got where we are, especially when the alternative is something as bleak as a destitute African village.
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>>796600
>Bitchfaggot I bet you weren't even here for the great habbo raid of 2006.

Oh look, you read about something on ED.
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>>797020
>The first US congress, determining who would be the citizens of the new country, made it so that only white people could be citizens
Yes, but the 14th Amendment ratified in 1868 granted citizenship to blacks. So the US theoretically was no longer for whites alone.
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>>796989
As an Eastern European whose family didn't migrate till the late sixties, whose people were maligned because of communism, and are maligned because of poverty and Russian antics, whose only depiction in the media are drunks, criminals, or saboteurs, am I responsible for white privilege because my skin is white? If not, what systems are in place to keep my blameless self for being blamed because my skin is white?
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>>796941

Literally spend one day in China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baizuo

Your false sense of self righteousness and the self-contradictory nature of your hypocritical beliefs is transparent to everyone but yourself. It's unironically sad.
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>>797026
NOOOOO HOW DARE THESE FUCKING POC BE SO UNGRATEFUL TOWARDS ME! THEIR ALABASTAR GUARDIAN ANGEL!
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>>797023
Even then, the reason for it wasn't to make them equal members of society. It took another century before policy started to set that in motion.
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>>797027
>well do you want to live in africa?
>noooooo, pleaaaase, let me live with you!
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>>797026
And why would I care what china thinks of the US? Are you going to cite Russian propaganda next?
>>797027
Samefag
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>>796970

Another way to put it is to view the entire ordeal of CRT through the lens of another country.

Imagine going to Japan and then immediately complaining that Japanese people hold "systemic and institutional power" as a result of the fact that they are built on the back of Japanese culture. Well no shit color me surprised. A nations laws and systems were created with the people who live there and make up the bulk of its society in mind? Japanese people raised in Japanese culture vote for Japanese interests? Oh my god, how shocking. Throw in some Korean/Chinese war crime shaming and accuse their nation of being built on the blood of other east Asian countries for good measure.

The Japanese would simply politely tell you that if you dislike the fact that Japan is run by Japanese interests you can always just leave.

It also becomes apparent that the only reason to go to Japan and make such an idiotic stink about things is if you hate them. You hate their culture. Hate their way of life. Hate the poeple.

That is effectively all CRT is. Blind hatred of white people that has been injected with woke culture to try and mask itself as some kind of righteous crusade against racism, despite being obviously racist itself. It's psuedointellectual bullshit believed only by people who hate Western society and/or people who are just quite franky flat out fucking retarded.
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>>797025
>Eastern European
>white
Anon I...
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>>797031
>Only white racist republicans think we leftists are racist!
>China thinks you're racist
>I DON'T CARE

Shit cunt, you're not moving the goalposts, you're bringing out a tennis racket and playing a different game entirely.
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>>797033
t. kike separatist propaganda spewer

Whites are United brothers now and you won’t divide us
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>>797033
Anon, do you think some leftist in the middle of a soapbox tirade asks me what my heritage is? Or do they take one look at my skin and think I'm a direct descendant of Andrew Jackson?
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>>797031

bruh you are talking to like 6 different people.

Leave your woke-cult echo chamber for a while and you will find that your crt nonsense is universally criticized. Because it's bullshit. You still haven't even explained yourself out of the hole left by >>794067
Who very clearly laid out in a very easy to understand manner as to why your core reasoning is a compositional fallacy, and does not survive being pushed to it's expected conclusion.
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>>792298
who is pic-related and what is the context?
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>>797032
Don't forget the fact that the only reason people would even complain is because they come from other countries that could never be as nice to live in as Japan, so their options are to be polite guests to the Japanese, live in the clump of mud their own people managed to spend thousands of years building, or yell about equality and representation in the hopes that they can wiggle a successful country away from another people whose ancestors created it.
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>>797036
>SLAVS ARE WHITE NOW

No thanks guy. First, you've been denying us that label for centuries,
Second, you've left us to die in the face of Islam for centuries,
Third, you actively tried to exterminate us with the nazis,
Fourth, being white isn't something to aspire to now, we're not joining the bandwagon just because you want to vicariously live out some glory because we're people with white skin who aren't complete cucks. We're not gonna join up so we can get blamed for slavery and colonialism, we didn't do that shit.

Fucking dangling that label over us like a goddamn dog-treat. Hey, how about you unethnically cleanse my family and I might let you pretend you've still got some balls as a people, you goddamn tranny.
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>>797040

Exactly. CRT is really just jealousy when supported by PoC, and self righteous stupidity when supported by Whites.
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>>797035
Tell me more about what my enemies say about me
>>797038
Trump lost. Get over it.
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>>797031
>And why would I care what china thinks of the US?
Whoa wtf are you saying that the opinion of the world's largest POC country doesn't matter?
Fucking racist.
>>796629
KEK, go to woke Iceland and try to shill your open borders bullshit there then.
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>>797041
>us

Stopped reading there. Nice LARP Chang.
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No matter how hard they try to (((educate))) us, I will never apologize for being white. I will teach my children to be proud of their heritage and to love their people. Fuck Biden, fuck leftism and fuck ((((critical race theory))))
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>>797043
>Trump lost. Get over it.

What the fuck does Trump have anything to do with this discussion. Get over your partisan retard syndrome and stop letting orange man live inside your head rent fucking free.
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>>797031
>Asks for source on what the outside world thinks of US leftists
>>797026
>Gets source he asked for
>>797031
>W..why should I care about what other countries think of US leftists!
>"Muh Russia!" despite the country cited not even being Russia

Top fucking kek. Good show anon.

I'm not sure if you are intentionally being retarded to make fun of leftists or not. Poe's law in full force.
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We must not underestimate the low intelligence of Americans, where 60% of adults believe in Creationism (pseudoscience) rather than evolution theory. Trump is just a symbol of arrogant, selfish, and poorly foresighted Americans.
His supporters, who are easily deceived by conspiracy theories and fake, are victims of inadequate deficient education.
What they need is not punishment, exclusion, criticism or neglect, i.e., hatred, but media/science literacy, logical thinking, problem-solving ability, treatment of delusional personality disorder by psychotherapy/counseling, i.e., love.
Thanks to political amateur Trump, the USA had been ridiculed from all over the world, and its international credibility, leadership, and persuasiveness have been lost. Now is the time to make America great again.in real

"Emotions Self-Responsibility Theory"
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>>797062
>source is chinese forum posts from 2016 (totally not bots) I believe you!
>this represents the rest of the first world
Why yes my enemies do only say bad things about me. Thanks for the reminder. But what about first world democracies, you know, things that actually count?
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>>797081
>But what about first world democracies
https://nypost.com/2021/02/11/the-french-are-absolutely-right-to-say-no-thanks-to-us-woke-ism/
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>>797088
>Op-Ed
Really grasping
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>>797091
It's the president of France
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>>797091

You didn't even read the article. Being an OP-Ed doesn't automatically make it crap. The original source from new york times that shows that European leaders are increasingly disgusted with wokeness is cited:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/09/world/europe/france-threat-american-universities.html
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>>793564
Yes. Now consider that no one is collectivising all whites for being racist. No, the admission of the fact that racism is mostly perpetuated by white people is NOT the same as saying ALL white people are responsible for it, any more than saying Nazis committed the Holocaust means all Nazi German citizens participated in it. Because there are always exceptions and nuances that people like you are too intellectually dishonest to admit.
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>>796930
Don't worry, you're quite far away from highschool. You need to stop wetting diapers first to get there.
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>>797125
It makes it subjective, at the very least. And there are plenty of op-ed writers who have crap-for-brains, especially those hired just to 'balance perspectives', despite the clear divide between people who actually know how to argue and those who think it means typing big, angry words.
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>>797136
Giving an opinion on a fact doesn't magically make the fact subjective.
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>>796341
Which inevitably goes way down when they don't have to purchase it from the black market, that often readily accepts stolen goods in exchange for drugs.

There is the additional problem that entry level jobs drug test - so you can't, for instance, get a maintain a job at Taco Bell, thus are discouraged from entering society proper entirely. If they fail to grow out of their addiction phase by the time their early 20's are over, it's pretty much a guarantee that they will have to become lifetime career criminals, just to make ends meet.
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>>796989
No one should be forced to pay for the sins of their great great grandfathers, anymore than they are due to the fact that they have to deal with the world they helped create.

Further, in a world where EVERYONE was racist, one cannot judge them for that fact alone. Everyone was racist, yes, not everyone was cruel or vindictive about it - those are the ones whose statues deserved to be shat on (particularly when they were erected in the 50's in support of Jim Crow). When ya start going after Washington and Jefferson, the former of which freed all his slaves, and the latter of which had families he supported and freed, then you're just recreating blind racism in a world that has just started growing out of it - after ~500 years of a world dominated by Europe and its former colonies, simply because they were such heavy expansionistic traders they came upon the power of the stock market first.
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>>797032
Only problem with that, the Japanese government is built on a western system that was forced upon them, not a Japanese one.

Granted, they certainly adopted it to their own culture.

But European culture itself was built upon seeking out and borrowing the best from everywhere else, and that molded its white Christian culture in turn. Otherwise, usury would still be illegal, among other things.

The days of cultural isolation via geography are over. The days of demographic isolation via geography or numbered. That doesn't mean we can't mitigate it, and it certainly doesn't mean you have to allow every Tom, Dick, and Harry into your nation, regardless of their criminality or compatibility with your local customs and beliefs, but it does mean you need to stop pretending you can turn back the clock and tide. We are, for better or worse, all going to have to learn to live with constantly being pressed up against one another's faces on this rapidly shrinking blue marble with its omni-connecting Internet, and our global culture will eventually have to adjust to make that work smoothly.

If it fails to, and civilization collapses and we have to start over, we'll be back here in short order... But I suppose the day where we define our genetic destiny for ourselves, maybe close at hand, at which point we'll have a whole other set of problems that will make this race thing look quaint.
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>>797166
>But European culture itself was built upon seeking out and borrowing the best from everywhere else, and that molded its white Christian culture in turn.
You're a complete moron
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>>797166
>Rapidly shrinking blue marble
The current world's population could live in comfortable density inside the area of California. Back to school, dipshit
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>>797166
Fuck off Chang I will never accept the demographic replacement of my people.
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>>797166
>We are, for better or worse, all going to have to learn to live with constantly being pressed up against one another's faces on this rapidly shrinking blue marble with its omni-connecting Internet
Not all of us, just those of us in functional countries that people want to migrate to. If we accept that, the world doesn't turn into everyone living together and learning to get along, it just looks like people from poorer nations breeding rapidly and taking over other countries in addition to having their home countries entirely to themselves.
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>>797088
>French commenting on US race relations.
That's rich, that is. Prior to the revocation of Jim Crow apartheid in the 60's, black jazz musicians moved to France because they were respected and allowed to stay in decent hotels. While in the US they had to stay and live in the ghetto. The French have as much understanding of the history of race relations in the US as I have of their colonial exploitation and genocide of other countries and peoples. They can keep their arrogant mouths shut about shit they know nothing about.
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>>797278
>Fuck the Chinese... and fuck the Russians... and fuck the... FRENCH!!!
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>>797225
Do you think I meant that I to claim the world was literally shrinking? We're all increasingly connected, regardless of distance or geography. That effect is only going to accelerate with time.

>>797257
Same reason we fight death. It is, nonetheless, inevitable, for however many thousands of years these races and nations may each have left.

Our only hope is that our ideals will survive among whoever comes after us, and they will eventually make a better world through their application.

Though yes, as I said, there's no reason to let every unfortunate Tom, Dick, and Harry take up residence, but sympathy is one of those better "white values" we institutionalize insomuch as we can. The best way to avoid that, while retaining that critical value we all hope will survive until the end of time (while also giving mankind more time than he would otherwise have), is to avoid creating said poor Tom, Dicks, and Harry's abroad, giving them less motive to come here and take advantage of that catch-22.

We reap what we sew.
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>>797224
A black plague we imported in our trading efforts gave rise to wealth concentration, which, when combined with the loom we imported from the East, suddenly had everyone wearing under linens, which we recycled into paper, as we learned from Africa. All that extra paper, combined with the impression technology we imported from Arabs lead to bank notes, reserve lending, and the printing press, which created the Renaissance, which, when combined with foreign economic models and Roman military values, fired Europe on to eventually dominate the whole world, while the next most powerful collective entities went into civil war and isolationism.

Europe has always been a precariously united states of traders, taking the best of things and ideas from everywhere in the world, and recombining it all in ways that no other culture could, with increasing rapidity.

Not that they've necessarily been known to do that with people before, so much as use them to harvest these imports, nor that they necessarily should, but it's the result of an independent egalitarian culture of artificially selective trade we've inflicted upon all the world now, as a result of conquering it.
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>>797166
>Only problem with that, the Japanese government is built on a western system that was forced upon them, not a Japanese one.

Yes the Japanese were totally forced to abandon their entire history and embrace Christianity.

Oh wait.

That never happened.

Learn actual history. The only thing that happened is Japan embraced Western technology and styles of commerce, because they realized it would work well for them. It's important to understand that the majority of how Japan currently operates is entirely by their own choice, and pretending that it's somehow forced upon them because of the treaty of San Francisco is a blatantly false reinterpretation of history. The purpose of that treaty was to prevent Japanese imperialism and remove them from Armed conflict, not to turn the Japanese "white".

You're just another woketard trying to rewrite history to match your victimhood narrative.
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>>797519
It's not a matter of victimhood, but growth through acceptance and integration of the best of alien ideas. They grew the same way Europe did: They took a vastly different culture, combined it with their own, and made one better than either was alone.

They gave birth to their own child.

Very few Japanese want to return to the culture of Imperial Japan. Fewer than there are even Americans who want to return to the era of pre-1776.

Sometime after Europe had changed the world by touching every corner of it that it could reach, and was itself reborn through that interaction, America was born as a hybrid of ideals, enlightenment and royalty, and it in turn influenced the whole world, well before it became a power in it.

Growth is not victimhood.

Now, I'm not saying there wasn't a whole lot of brutality in the process (including, in Japan's case, two fucking nukes), but change brings conflict, growth brings conflict, both internal and external - growth is painful.

The world is constantly growing. There will always be conflict. However, we're slowly learning that said growth doesn't necessarily require destruction of the other. As America's founders posited - even if their great great(^10) grandchildren may yet to bring it into practice - growth requires allowing people to be free, to find their own way, but to continue to communicate: To agree to disagree.

Domination and isolation are death and stagnation. Hand in hand, trade of ideas, always requires a bit of both, but so does growth.
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>>796826
Go defend your flat with a fucking spoon, because they took your sharp cooking utensils away from you.
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>>798256
You've been reading too many Daily Mail headlines.
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>>797154
Legal or not, heroin and meth and crack will always be black market drugs. It’s not like you are going to go to the pharmacy and buy it. Regardless of if a job dies drug testing, most addicts can’t be addicts and consistently get to work or do a job worth getting a paycheck. So they are unemployed and stealing to support their addiction
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>>798375
>most addicts can’t be addicts and consistently get to work or do a job worth getting a paycheck
Know how I know you know nothing about addiction? Most addicts are functional addicts and get along in society quite well. Even addicts hooked on heroin or other narcotics often reach a tolerance level where you wouldn't even know they were high.
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>>798393
I’ve only been unfortunate to have been around a few addicts. I think it would probably be tough to get to work after being narcanned for your overdose. These guys don’t just get narcanned once either. Maybe it’s just a fluke that the ones I’ve seen are on over a dozen od’s. I doubt it though, and depending on the job, wouldn’t put my life in their hands. Not all jobs have only the requirement to physically show up. People also get killed at work because someone was mentally absent due to drug influence
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>>798425
OD's are universally caused by street buys where the dosage is just a big guess. If it were over-the-counter then you would know what you were getting and OD's would be rare. Read Burrough's "Junky." First hand account of descent into narcotics addiction. Back then there were a lot of MD's who would write scripts for morphine they could get at pharmacies. It was rare that they went "on the nod" from that stuff. You're really making an argument for controlled legalisation but perhaps don't realise it.

It's like methadone clinics for treating addicts. Methadone is a narcotic just like morphine, but they give enough to ward off the nightmare of w/d but not enough to put someone "on the nod." Those guys function perfectly fine but are still addicts.
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>>798438
So, you’ve made the jump from decriminalizing narcotics, to having pharmaceutical companies and pharmacies to distribute and supply junkies. That is a huge jump to make
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>>798459
If narcotics are decriminalized, why wouldn't pharmaceutical companies move into the market as fast as possible? It's free money.
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>>798464
Just because you don’t go to jail for possession doesn’t mean that it isn’t a controlled substance. I can’t by pseudofed because tweekers make it into meth. Is meth, coke, molly, heroin, etc. going to be available over the counter like aspirin?
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>>798472
>I can’t by pseudofed
You can it just requires id
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>>792581
C right there. U just said their racist attitude towards white people dont count, because it's not as bad as slavery. And u implicated all white people by association of identity. So your literally refusing to acknowledge prejudice towards white people, because it would compromise your agenda. Not because it doesn't matter, but because if you weren't allowed to implicate white people with past atrocities you wouldn't be able to justify making discriminating policies that affect all white people on an individual basis. Its a total bullshit logical fallacy. This is why trump got voted in. When democracy abandoned white conservatives(and conservatives in general; thank you uncle Tom's thank you based wet backs) they embraced trump because he embraced them. So because you libtwats arent willing to make the concession that prejudice dialogs/people/policies towards the white identity counts, your platform will continue to be corrupt with personal agendas, overshadowing the fact that your racist attitude towards white people counts. Even if it's not as bad as slavery. Get over your self
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>>798482
Not without a prescription here
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>>792548
I see someone hasn't seen the people Alabama elects to congress.
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>>798496
Do they also re elect dumb asses that don’t have a clue and think the lands of the earth float upon the oceans?
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>>798512
We elect former couches who have 0 policy issues of their own outside of suck Trump's dicks and idiots who think the NAACP is a terrorist organization out to harm whites despite the fact they give scholarships and more to them.

The earth being 2,000 years old or however long the bible says is just par for the course in belief here.
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>>798483
>Get over your self
Bitch, please. Ain't you got some fucking privileges to get back to enjoyin? Go smile at a cop or something
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>>798464
Drugs have to be approved by the fda to bring to market. They also have to have a viable medical benefit. Today, you could not get alcohol approved, other than for antiseptic purposes. While drugs like meth have been around for a long time, I don’t know about any medical benefits.
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>>798556
I was not aware that the NAACP gave scholarships to anyone but negros
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>>799764
Much like the white scholarships, prove your heritage and you can easily have a shot. Just that not many try and it sells better to outrage farm.

Also affirmative action applies to whites as well as they often use it to get into historically black colleges.
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>>797043
>BTFO by basic reason
>resorts to buzzwords
Kek, every time.
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>>799797

The dude probably never even heard of the term "compositional fallacy" before, so now he's just mad that stepping outside of his rebbit echo chamber led to him getting logically raped. He doesn't have any argument left, and is now just an angry child throwing a temper tantrum because he doesn't want to admit that he got brainwashed by leftoid marxist nonsense.
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“They killed Dr. Seuss!!! BASTARDS!!!
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>>795670
>It always perplexes me why everyone fixates so intently on ways in which to better kill criminals
It solves the problem both cheaply and permanently without the drain on rest of society.
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>>800957
It does none of the above. Killing people costs the nation more potential dollars than anything, while the nation actually makes a profit on prisons, even (and especially) those that aren't private, and it does nothing to address the issues that brought you the criminal behavior to begin with, all while making people that much more violent and desperate.

Would be a great way to end up like the Philippines though - save without all those pretty beaches.
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>>800966
Explain to us how the national n makes a profit feeding, clothing, and boarding prisoners. There are definitely companies that provide services to prisons that turn a profit. So, by your math, if we scaled this up and incarcerated 90% of the population we should be able to balance the budget with all the profits. Bullshit. It is a net less than zero, just like the welfare state that pays extra for each bastard child squeezed out. I’ve heard these claims before, that welfare dollars come back at $1.50 or something for every dollar spent, it’s all a crock. It is economic theory that defies any and all logic.
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>>801042
I... Really don't want to say this, as it's the most depressing thing about living in civilization...

But what, exactly, do you think a nation is?

Yes, it can be made very, very, profitable.
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>>801042
The state covers anything that can't be made immediately profitable, which basically means it just zones the land and provides prisoners. Nearly everything else, in the modern prison industrial complex, is tax dollars being funneled to private enterprise, and, if you include bail bonds, it's a multi-trillion dollar industry.
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>>801051
The state, buys land, constructs prison, hires and pays staff, pays utilities, feeds, and cares for prisoners. This costs tens of thousands of dollars per year per prisoner. Explain how this is a profit making enterprise to the state.
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>>801105
>The state, buys land,
Yes.

>constructs prison
Usually not.

> hires and pays staff
Often not, and often from a private outfit, whose workers in turn have to buy their own equipment, from other private outfits.

>pays utilities
Usually to a private companies.

>feeds
Almost never. This is outsourced, and in many states, wat "free" food is provided is so deliberately bad, that the inmates have to buy food through a concessionary like Jpay, in order to avoid constantly shitting themselves.

>cares for prisoners
Also usually outsourced to private HMO's.

99% of this all, is money either coming from the state to private industry, or from the prisoners themselves, to outside private outfits.

This all creates more businesses, which expand the economy, which means more loans and investments and economic stimulus, and that, benefits the state. Coupled with bailbonds, which are pure profit and corruption scam against the families of the incarcerated, a multi-trillion dollar industry, as valuable as any Hollywood or Silicon Valley.
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>>801115
I still don’t think that you have succeeded in convincing anyone that the prison system creates more dollars for the state than it takes.
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>>801273
Okay, let's put it another way then: If the state could create a Hollywood or a Silicon Valley for the price of an investment of a few hundred acers some of the least valuable land in said state, would that not be a solid investment?

You do have to understand that any money that goes into the economy, the state eventually recoups as it grows, as there's these things called bonds. Now, it's true, the initial investment is a loss, and it takes time for such a system to build up steam, but as more and more of the prison system and its ancillary services have been privatized over time, prisons have become an increasingly critical component of nearly every state's economy.

...and again, bailbonds, which are 100% profit and more profitable than almost any fiscal services the nation provides. Fiscal services being the ultimate profit tool for any nation.
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>>801284
No one forces anyone to use a bondsman. They can request a speedy trial, or put up collateral. It may be big business, but not requiring bond has a lot of people missing their court date for some reason. What needs to addressed is ridiculously high bond like $2 mill for a 17 yr old. It needs to be in line with the crime and the means of the family.
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>>801295
I've seen people get $300,000 bonds for speeding tickets. Granted, they only have to put up 10% of that, but half the families in this country live month to month and can't afford a $400 dollar unexpected expense, yeah, definitely need a bail bondsman for that. And most of the time, you don't get that money back - certainly not without an additional expensive court battle, on top of whatever you paid for your wayward son or daughter's defense lawyer (as with a public defender, you ain't ever seeing that cash again).

The whole system is basically a way to squeeze blood from turnips. Gotta make cash off the poor somehow.
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>>801301
Meanwhile, as your trial goes on for years, that money gets invested, and makes a profit the family it was taken from never sees.
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>>801301
300,000 for speeding is ridiculous and is still $30k @ 10%. $3,000 bail is still ridiculous. It is only supposed to be used to insure that you show up.
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>>801301
Next thing your going to claim is that the judicial system is racist too
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>>801625
None of it has anything to do with racism. That's where folks get confused.

But why is it, you think, we aren't all stuck with public defenders, or at least forced to hire lawyers of all the same fee?

If the rich cannot buy better justice through the system, they buy it through other means - that's why that system exists.
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>>795670
"crime" prevention is in itself immoral.
society needs an minimum level of lawbreaking in order to function.

people, individually or in groups, need to be able to break laws in order to challenge them, to question their morality, usefulness, or simply to gain first hand knowlege and experience for themselves.

it is an unspeakable evil for society/government to grow so powerful as to override free will, to utterly eliminate all chance of behaving in a less than perfect manner.

punishment is better than prevention.





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