https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/21/federal-judge-tosses-trump-suit-over-pennsylvania-election-results-439010>‘This is simply not how the Constitution works’: Federal judge eviscerates Trump lawsuit over Pennsylvania results>A federal judge in Pennsylvania eviscerated President Donald Trump’s attempt to throw out millions of votes Saturday, dismissing his campaign’s lawsuit with a withering opinion that described a dearth of proof to justify the drastic demand.>“This Court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence,” U.S. District Judge Matthew Brann wrote. “In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state. Our people, laws, and institutions demand more.”https://news.yahoo.com/pennsylvania-gop-files-suit-declare-003426613.html>Pennsylvania GOP Files Suit To Declare Mail-In Ballots Unconstitutional>Rep. Mike Kelly and others have filed a lawsuit that seeks to declare Pennsylvania vote-by-mail system as unconstitutional.
Pretty sure you should be able to prosecute Trump and his 'lawyers' for filing so many frivolous lawsuits along with the whole sedition.
>>734081Maybe we'll be treated to a nice show once January rolls around
>>734081With this new lawsuit they used a GOP Congressman to initiate it, not one of Trump's usual TV-talking head lawyers. Who knows if it's for the reason you said but it makes sense.
So what's the plan, to keep having a line of proxies file the same lawsuit over and over until they get lucky and get a judge that rules in their favor or what
>>734081Countersuits are usually expensive and difficult to prove ... although, Rudy and the Trumpistian Cult of Her Dementia's Butthurt have made several such countersuits very nearly slam-dunks.Two important factors are 1) Standing - who is wronged enough to be able to file such a suit and 2) Damages - who is actually harmed and has grounds for redress (basically, Standing, but not necessarily jurisdiction-based & limited).So who would file such countersuits? Biden or his campaign, but the Damages part gets tricky and probably not worth the expense & effort. A class-action suit by American voters, generally speaking. In some of these cases, they would have to be organized by state, and then the question of jurisdiction comes in. Would they have to be files in each state? Or, is there actionable grounds for a cross-borders Federal suit? A Federal suit could get just real interesting if it involves coordination and conspiracy across state borders. A high burden of proof but, if it's there, it could be an actual RICO case.What IS missing from all these cases getting tossed for being frivolous and without merit is the judges slapping the plaintiffs with large penalties and fines. Bringing harassment cases such as these puts the burden of payment upon the plaintiff, and several judges have ordered them to pay court costs and other expenses. But some of this shit has been so insane that it's surprising that at least one of these judges hasn't started slapping contempt of court charges and jail time on some f these lawyers. As this keeps up, it seems increasingly likely that they're going to really piss a judge or two off and suddenly serve 30 or 90 days in jail, get hit with a million or three in contempt fees, some lawyers get sent to their local bar to have their licenses reviewed or revoked.Rudy is so fucking batshit, though, he doesn't even realize he's living on borrowed time.tl;dr - Please proceed, trumpfags. I'm heavily invested in popcorn futures.
>>734093I'm convinced they are trying to create the appearance of mass irregularities in several states so they can say there is no way for the EC to vote on time. That way they could force a vote in the House, in which case Trump would almost certainly win. Biden's lawyers (who have remained mostly out of site) would probably try to block that with lawsuits of their own, but they would have to appeal to the SCOTUS, and you know how that would go.
>>734093>the plan ..?> get lucky> or whatYes. Exactly. Throw a trumpertantrum and declare victory. They're hoping to push it to the SCRotUS and have the right wing activists on the bench declare that the God Emperor shall reign forever.
More delay tactics in Michigan, too. They are blatantly trying to delay it until the EC deadline.https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/11/21/state-national-gop-seek-delay-certification-election-results/6373717002/>National and state Republicans have mounted a last-ditch effort to keep Michigan's Board of State Canvassers from certifying results from the presidential election.>In a letter sent Saturday, Republican National Committee Chair Ronna McDaniel and Michigan Republican Chair Laura Cox urged the board to adjourn for 14 days to allow a full audit and investigation so "numerical anomalies and credible reports of procedural irregularities" can be addressed.>...>Republican U.S. Senate candidate John James also requested Friday that the canvassers delay certification. James, a Farmington Hills businessman, trails U.S. Sen. Gary Peters, D-Bloomfield Township, by more than 92,000 votes in unofficial results after the 83 counties turned in their certified results, a gain for Peters of 9,000 votes from the preliminary results.>...>Republican state canvasser Norm Shinkle told The Detroit News Friday he was considering moving for an audit and/or a delay of the final certification, but couldn't make a decision until presented by the Michigan Bureau of Elections report on the certifications from 83 counties.>Shinkle said he wasn't convinced the Wayne County Board of Canvassers had successfully certified the election after GOP canvassers there attempted to rescind their affirmative votes after the 14-day deadline. The canvassers were unsuccessful in their attempt, Wayne County's legal counsel said.
>>734066What is dripping from that fucktards head? Is its brain oozing out. Oh Giuliani, you really should considered killing yourself again you fucking slag....
>>734102Tell me the board is going to tell them to fuck off and go ahead with the certification. This is such a brazenly obvious coup attempt.
Trump Coup Cuck Clan forces are disrupting the recount in Wisconsin.https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/527040-wisconsin-county-election-officials-accuse-trump-observers-of
>>734107There are two democrats and two republicans on the board. One of the republicans is Norm Shinkle. His wife Mary has filed affidavits saying she personally witnessed fraud, so you know how he's going to vote. I don't know who the other republican on the board is, but there is a good chance he/she is just as bad as Shinkle. If both of them vote no, then it's a 2-2 deadlock and nothing gets certified.
>>734109Then what? Trump is going to steal the electorates?
so is this the confederacy all over again? willing to destroy the entire country because you cant admit you are in the wrong
>>734113Then they order the counties to do a 14-day canvass/recount, which would be done 1 week before the EC votes on December 14. That week of December 7th-14th is going to be crazy. Nobody knows what either side has planned but that will be when the higher level shit-flinging will begin. Biden's lawyers are probably in contact with Dem state officials in more than just these states planning their counter arguments now, or at least they had better be if they are competent at all.
>>734118> Biden's lawyers are probably in contact with Dem state officials in more than just these states planning their counter arguments now, or at least they had better be if they are competent at all.Given it's the democrats and the only reason the Republicans have failed so fair is because they're so incompetent as opposed to how thy operated in 2000 to sabotage the recount, I doubt they're prepared outside of finger waging.Which doesn't win you battles in the war for America.
>>734120Yeah I'm reminded of Anthony Weiner's one famous quote from before he was disgraced: "Seems like we are going into a knife fight carrying library books”. The rational people in the country can only hope Biden hasn't hired someone as incompetent as Rudy and the Kraken lady.
>>734118Thump's people are going to obstruct the recount like they are doing in Wisconsin. >>734108
>>734125Yes probably true, anything they can do to delay it up to or past the EC vote deadline they will do.
>>734126So what happens if the coup in Michigan is successful and republicans co-conspire with Trump to steal the electors?
So we can expect this bullshit everytime a right winger loses an election going forward thenHow would you go about getting an entire political party dissolved anyway?
>>734130Well, I assume being guilty of conspiring to undermine one of our most important elections qualifies. I can't imagine that anybody would want to associate with Democrats after that.
>>734128Then the House GOP can claim that there is "numerical anomalies and credible reports of procedural irregularities" for the Electoral College to be able to vote (what GOP chairwoman McDaniel is already saying),. That way it would be the same as if there was an EC tie, and then the House votes with each state representing one vote. Because there are 26 solid red states, it means Trump would be elected president unless one of the GOP states House members turn on Trump (not likely).https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/09/28/how-the-house-could-decide-the-presidential-election-electoral-college-tie-contingent-election/?sh=458cf3651bb6>A 269-269 Electoral College tie or other dispute that prevents the determination of a clear winner of the presidential election would result in a contingent election, in which it would be decided by the House of Representatives, while the vice presidential race is decided by the Senate, the 12th Amendment stipulates.Notice the part that says "other dispute". That's what's they are trying to create right now.
>>734130The demographics of the country have shifted to the degree that the GOP isn't likely to win the popular vote any time soon. They have been planning for this scenario for a long time.
>>734109Can't the democrats sue to kick the one member off the board because it's a clear conflict of interest?
>>734140They can try but it delays it even more if the GOP appeals it up the chain to the SCOTUS. Any delay is bad at this point. All the states are supposed to certify by December 8th and the EC is supposed to vote on December 14th. Add to that the Thanksgiving holiday next week then there is not a lot of time to do all that.
>>734144Can't they just ignore the suits the Republicans are filing and go ahead with certifying?
>>734146And risk electing a false president? What a divinely terrible idea.
>>734146It depends on how many republicans on the various boards of election/SoS at the state level/State Legislatures are willing to go along with it. They are trying this in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada, and Georgia. Don't know about Arizona or others. They have been claiming irregularities in California but as far as I know they haven't contested those so far.
>>734134>the part that says "other dispute". That's what's they are trying to create right now.The trumpistians need to get any "reasonably credible" lawsuit in front of the SCRotUs with enough of a figleaf on it for five right wing activist shills on the bench to pretend there is an "other dispute" serious enough to turn it over to a House vote.And, yes. That's playbook. Manufacture a "crisis" across several states (MI, WI, PA, and GA plus possibly more such as AZ & MN). Claim in the SCRotUS it reaches the level of "dispute," even though any such "dispute" was manufactured by traitors and seditionists acting in bad faith.
>>734097>but they would have to appeal to the SCOTUS, and you know how that would goNot really. Yeah, the court has a conservative majority but that doesn't mean they'll side with Trump trying to destroy the election. Roberts certainly won't, and I doubt Alito or even Gorsuch will either.
>>734133Trump lost, Biden won, get back in your /pol/ box and cope more
>>734153Except everything Trump has said is either lies or haven't been proven.And given Trump is trying to stage a coup, better to nip their bullshit in the bud rather than let the destroy Democracy.
>>734130Give statehood to Puerto Rico and DC and Republicans won't be able to win the senate for at least two decades.
>>734087>talking-headYou don't know what the fuck you are talking about or what words mean. >>734081>seditionI wish you'd try and I mean that.>>734095>popcorn futuresWith all the shit you just spouted, your mommy needs to invest in some wet wipes.>very nearly slam-dunks>but, then if, it's all a bit tricky and hard!
>>734136Imagine how much good they could've done if they expended a fraction of that energy on actually governing the country well. Greed is a powerful motivator.
>>734130With further demographic shift, it's not implausible that more and more 'Red' states will vote in Democrat officials into the Senate. The GOP would thus die a slow, protacted death via voter loss as their core base is eroded away (Coronavirus being a catalyst).
>>734164If the democrats took a million of their voters from California who are willing to work for the greater good and disperse them among the empty red states, the Republicans would never control the senate or house again.
>>734164>>734173SEE: this graphic posted in /wg/ >>>/wg/7686400An actual roadmap with about 220,000 Democratic voters moving to 4 red states.Technically, if that many Dems moved to those states and registered 45 to 60 days before each election, then moved back to wherever they want to afterwards ....... In some states, you can same day register, or otherwise declare residency by getting a driver's license anywhere from 7 days to 20 or 30 days before an election. A little research and it cold be done. Just don't cut the margins too fine.
>>734169Ah, Yes. The Retard Nation checks in to sperge it's COPE screeching at us.Don't worry, child. Your time is over.
>>734097Judges are decent and non-partisan most of the time. Plenty of republican judges have rebuked Trump and his lawyers for this hard. The Supreme Court has a constitution to uphold, and conservative justices are usually, well, conservative about bending the things in it. It's not that they're conservative in the sense of republicans vs. democrats. It's quite a different ball game. While I'm not certain that there wouldn't be a dissent if it came to that, I'd cautiously hope for them to take the case, slam Trump for what he's doing, and write with one voice, no dissent.It would send a very strong, and overdue message to Trump that this isn't how the United States works.
The Tempertantrump continues unabated.
>>734197>It's quite a different ball game.You're right, with Kavanaugh and Comey Barret things are different
>>734199Kavanaugh in particular has shown a complete willingness to tie arguments into pretzels to lick trump's boots.
>>734199There's a reason I said cautiously hope instead of be absolutely certain. But I generally like/trust the judiciary as compared to our other branches.
>>734128Unironically civil war or mass insurrection against the illegitimate Trump campaign
>>734133Fascists like you deserve to be shot
>>734215I dont understand it either, why don't the reps go out and demonstrate?
>Being insufferable enough allows you to win elections you lostlmao what the actual fuck AmericaSo is this how literally every election will be like from now on? You'll just start throwing shit at each other and stall it? So that the only thing that matters will be the senate and the house?Or am I missing something?
>>734153where was all that hand wringing when the recounts were stopped in Florida for Gore?
>>734234I unironically think that if the Trump campaign pulls it off, there will be an honest to God battle between Americans on our soil. Maybe not a war, people are too poorly equipped compared to an actual modern military, but at least one major shootout.
>>734235Bush and his team were competent and the margin was 500 votes, not tens of thousands.
>>734238...and his brother was The Governor of Florida
>>734238and yet republicans now are demanding further recounts pretending this might somehow overturn a more than 10,000 vote lead in most states. hell in most counties even. But gore, with a win riding on 500 votes, couldnt finish the recount.basically, republicans wipe their ass on the law and precedent to win.
>>734245Sure, but again the bush team was competent and had a good media presence (they were not issuing pressers from landscape companies adjacent to dildo stores). So America was not surprised by their success at the SC.Trump is a retard who surrounds himself with retards, this is the result.
>>734234The American political system was pretty rickety from the start, it's been aggressively patched up and taped together as crises come and go. The only reason it's gone (relatively) smoothly up till now was that the guys who lost had the decency to walk away. Now that we have someone who refuses to do so, we get to see how much the people's voice actually matters.
>>734250The system is working pretty well actually. Voters voted and their votes counted and are being certified.A man baby who doesn’t care about America is throwing a tantrum. That’s about all that’s happening.
>>734251I agree that it's working okay all things considered, but it could be working better still. This is preventing our president-elect from actually being on boarded like every other previous president-elect would be, or using systems he was already entitled to using as a former vice president. There's also >>732118 which really should not ever have happened at any point. Things like that is our system not working. Things like the judges throwing Trump's nonsense out of courts is.Hopefully there's a smooth and peaceful transition of power at some point where Trump yields, because if this keeps continuing on it's going to be extremely destabilizing.
>>734250>>734251All democracies, and to a degree governments in general, share one fundamental weak point; they're social constructs. They exist because we all agree that they exist. Laws are written, and everyone (within a degree of tolerance) agrees to follow them. The police and the courts exist as an immune system to make sure those who don't are dealt with in whatever manner is deemed appropriate. At a certain level however, you reach a point where nothing exists above you to keep you in compliance. It's part of the reason police reform is so difficult. Who are people gonna call, the cops? Police officers, lawmakers, and other government officials are given a sort of legal immunity by virtue of their position, but it's done with the understanding that they won't abuse it. This works until someone like Trump comes along and decides he doesn't care about all of those formalities. A congressional subpoena used to be akin to a summons from God, until it wasn't. That these things hinge on the idea that the people in power are willing to play along with the self-regulatory mechanisms of the system.
>>734331Looks like treason is back on the menu.https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/michigan-lawmaker-who-met-with-trump-pushes-constitutional-crisis-to-overturn-election-on-fox-news/
>>734082>Maybe we'll be treated to a nice show once January rolls aroundThe tRump reality show was about to jump the shark, so these last 3months have piqued my interest again.
>>734332you sound real smart, are you a pinko socialist Jew?
>>734125Well shit, I guess we'll just have to go with the original result lmao
>>734356They're trying to prevent the results from being certified, that's the end goal of all this. It's not just 'well we haven't recounted yet, go with the original I guess'. Everything Trump is focused on is stall tactics at this point.
>>734356That was going to be the outcome all along. /pol/acks not being able to cope with losing is just noise and smoke.
>>734353What I'm wondering about is if his supporters will actually accept any responsibility for Trump refusing to do his job when the virus grows out of control over the next couple of months.
>>734401>Trump refusing to do his jobWhat could Trump do to stop the virus from spreading? I keep hearing that his response was a failure, but no one can ever say what he should have done instead beyond not downplaying it on twitter.
>>734106https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1qCszP4HI7U >>733238 I'm excited to see this faggots head explode or him take his own life. Either way good tv
>>7344051. Establish a national test-and-trace program.2. Implement or encourage interstate travel restrictions.3. Encourage education and compliance with public health directives both personally and institutionally.4. Depict anti-COVID as a patriotic endeavor to protect your community rather than politicizing them.5. Accelerate vaccine production by knocking down regulatory barriers and creating challenge trials.6. Massively subsidize/accelerate the production of N95s, antigen tests, and other healthcare equipment that could slow the spread.7. Create a Manhattan-Project-level initiative into researching non-lockdown ways to combat the coronavirus.Democrats also failed to push some of these. They still receive partial credit for a few of these since they are merely incompetent rather than evil. The only thing Trump can remotely receive credit for on this list is partial on five.
>>734405>What could Trump do to stop the virus from spreading?Not dissolving the pandemic response team Obama put together and then replacing it with literally nothing would have been a good start
>>734405Well for starters how about a national plan to get every state PPE instead of letting each one fend for themselves. It makes 0 fucking sense that each state had to negotiate with foreign countries to try to get equipment. Thats what we pay taxes to the government for in the first place.
>>734405How about literally ANYTHING besides just abdicating literally any and all responsibility of his job to go hole up and golf.
>>734358Given the most of the states they're trying to pull this shit in have laws saying they need to be certified and they have democratic secretary of state and governor. Can't they just tell the Republicans to fuck off and certify the results and then do something to stop the Republicans from sending their own electorates to stage a coup?
>>734421Trump will literally never admit he lost anything, and the concept of morals are completely alien to him.He's not a textbook sociopath, because most aren't as far gone as he is. He is an EXTREME sociopath, about as far on that spectrum as you can go.
>>734421I honestly don't know. I don't really know that deeply how this process works. Just that they're hoping to fuck with the certification process so they can escalate it to another point they hope will be more favorable to them, where it is no longer in the hands of voters. At some point along the line they hope to get the win they're looking for handed to them by someone other than those who voted. It's a scary thought that this is something that's going on in our country, and not causing massive outrage among politicians and other government officials of all stripes.
So when will it reach the SC?
>>734441Unlikely to. Putting aside how CJ Roberts has signalled the SC will avoid deciding another election like the plague almost all, or all, the cases have been decided on state laws and Constitutions. If a legal issue is decided on state constitution the SC can't hear it.
>>734426Trump will never admit defeat, but you have to remember, he's a weak authoritarian where things only happen because other people do it for him.It's a given the Republican party are traitors, not shocking since they are the conservatives, and conservatives have always been the enemy of America, but give Republicans control enough levels of powers to stage a coup, will they go forward with destroying democracy for Trump?It's looking like they are going to the path of treason, so the real question is, will anyone be able to stop them?
>>734354Pinko socialist tranny, actually.
>>734447>treasonTechnically it's not treason because they're not aiding anyone we're at war with by pulling this shit. More like sedition or something. This is more like sedition or overthrow of government or something.
>>734538I'm drunk so please forgive the repetition fuckup here
>>734538It's a war against America, so it's treason.
>>734545Treason is actually incredibly hard to stick as a charge.
>>734095If you'll let me don a tinfoil hat for a minute, half of me thinks that half of the suits are there just to get thrown out immediately so they can spin it as 'deep state suppression'. Or to then immediately appeal the suit so as to drag out the proceedings for as long as they can so that they have a viable excuse to hinder the transmission.
>>734562That isn't so tinfoil. People in Trump's inner circle do things like that all the time. There aren't even any lizard people in your theory. Now THAT would be tinfoil.
>>734409You cant really blame democrats when the past four years has been trump grooming his voter base into "believe only me and no one else cause i am trump and i am your president"
>>734589This is because she accused a republican of stealing the election in Georgia isn't it
>>734589No honor among thieves, huh?
Carl Bernstein just torched sources and revealed the names of every Republican Senator who hates Trump.Portman, Alexander, Sasse, Blunt, Collins, Murkowski, Cornyn, Thune, Romney, Braun, Young, Tim Scott, Rick Scott, Rubio, Grassley, Burr, Toomey, McSally, Moran, Roberts, Shelby.
>>734215Don't push it anon.
>>734405>why do we even have leaders at all ?lol
>>734610nice.would be nicer if these fucking cucks had the balls to actually go public though.
>>734621Why aren't they suing Trump and his campaign for defamation?
>>734081you are one dumb bastard. enjoy checking out the suits later this week. enjoy these. they arent made up. https://roar-assets-auto.rbl.ms/documents/7487/3.%20EXHIBIT%201%20(affidavits)%20(compressed).pdf
>>734401>if his supporters will actually accept any responsibility for Trump refusing to do his jobHis supporters aren't responsible for his own actions.
>>735005>The people who put him in power aren’t responsible for what he doesHmmm
>>734905Good question. Maybe they are gathering evidence for the case?
>>735007>The people forced to make a choice between him and another detestable candidate four years ago are responsible for every single thing he's done since then.>Implying politicians (Trump included) don't lie and make promises they can't keep when they're campaigning.
>>735000>AffidavitsThat's code for stuff that can't hold up in court because the person would be guilty of perjury.
>>735015Should have voted for a better candidate in the primaries
>>735035All the other candidates were even worse than him.
>>735020>anon doesn't understand what perjury is
>>735040>Lying under oath is no longer a crime in Trump world.Really makes you think
>>735039Sounds like a problem with the GOP if they can't find someone better than Trump of all people
>>735082Yes, both of the big two parties are utter shit that always select shitty candidates and any preferable third party options will never get more than a a tiny sliver of the vote, what's new.
>>735041>an affidavit is automatically a liewew
>>734572>There aren't even any lizard people in your theory.Not him, but are you implying that Trump’s legal team AREN’T a bunch of cold-blooded reptiles?