Dominion Voting Systems is an election services company from Canada that is responsible for the technology used to count votes in many of the close battleground states in the 2020 presidential election. Issues have arisen in some of those states, such as Michigan and Georgia, propelling Dominion into the spotlight.Dominion Voting Systems is a company from Toronto, Canada, that has headquarters in Denver, Colorado, and is one of three major firms providing voting machines in U.S. elections.A 2014 form filed with the State of California says Dominion was founded in 2003 in Canada and 2009 in the U.S. Its principal officers were listed then as John Poulos, CEO; Ian MacVicar, CFO; and James Hoover, vice president of product line management. Other articles say Poulos and Hoover are the co-founders.President Donald Trump has also made claims against Dominion, writing on Twitter, “Report: Dominion deleted 2.7 million Trump votes nationwide. Data analysis finds 221,000 Pennsylvania votes switched from President Trump to Biden. 941,000 Trump votes deleted. States using Dominion Voting Systems switched 435,000 votes from Trump to Biden.” He provided no evidence.However, USA Today reported that a national coalition has announced there “is no evidence that any voting software deleted or changed votes” in the 2020 presidential election. You can read the statement of that national coalition here.The group “includes the Department of Homeland Security’s Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency and the National Association of State Election Directors” described the election as “the most secure in American history,” USA Today reported, quoting the coalition as saying, “There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.”https://heavy.com/news/dominion-voting-systems-glitch-clinton-pelosi-michigan-georgia/
Since the 2016 election especially, Dominion and other large voting firms have faced increasing Congressional scrutiny. It’s not unusual for big firms under the Congressional microscope to hire people or firms with ties to other power players; Dominion has ties to the Clinton Foundation. The company has used lobbying firms that employ lobbyists with ties to major figures like Georgia’s Republican governor and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, as well as a lobbyist who donated money to Republican Majority Leader Mitch McConnell. Increasing the scrutiny, it has also worked with firms tied to George Soros and Robert Mueller and gets some components from China. A former ambassador named by former President Barack Obama sits on the board of a company that acquired it in 2018.The company’s equipment is used in North Carolina, Nevada, Georgia, Michigan, Arizona and Pennsylvania – key states where President Donald Trump’s campaign has raised concerns or that are still being counted. The major television networks have called the election for former Vice President Joe Biden, but Trump has not conceded.“The industry has a two-tier structure with the three top-tier vendors, Election Systems and Software, Hart Intercivic, and Dominion Voting Systems covering approximately 92% of the total eligible voter population,” a major 2017 study on voting companies by the Penn Wharton Public Policy Initiative said. Truthout reported that the company “was recently acquired by New York-based hedge fund Staple Street Capital.”An executive board member of Staple Street Capital, William Earl Kennard, is a former ambassador to the EU who was appointed to that position by former President Barack Obama. In 2018, Dominion announced it had been acquired by its management team and Staple Street Capital. On November 6, Deadline reported that Kennard was named to the board of WarnerMedia parent AT&T, which owns CNN.
According to the Washington Examiner, Michigan Republican Party Chairwoman Laura Cox called on counties that use the Dominion Voting Systems software “to closely examine their result” after a glitch in a Michigan county erroneously gave Trump votes to Biden.Here’s what you need to know:1. Dominion’s Technology Serves 40% of American Voters; the Company Gave Money to the Clinton Foundation & Uses Some Parts From ChinaAccess Wire reported in 2017 that Dominion Voting Systems “is a Canadian company officially founded in the year 2000 with its headquarters in Denver, Colorado. Its founders are President and CEO, John Poulos and James Hoover.”In January 2020, Poulos said in a written statement to the U.S. House that he was the “chief executive officer and co-founder of Dominion Voting Systems. As a U.S.-owned company, we currently provide voting systems and services to jurisdictions across 30 states and Puerto Rico.”An old bio of Poulos says the following:"John Poulos is the founding President and CEO of Dominion Voting. Since its inception, John has been passionate about creating Dominion’s culture of transparency, accountability and technical innovation. John met James Hoover during a previous business venture in Silicon Valley where, together, they established an ambitious goal: to build a voting system that was so transparent, even the most skeptical critic would have confidence in its accuracy. Coupling this challenging objective with a culture of honesty, hard work and partnership in customer success has formed the foundation of Dominion’s success. Today, John enjoys spending most of his time soliciting and listening to feedback from clients, stakeholders and employees. He is happiest when spending time in Dominion’s offices after hours watching that feedback come to life in Dominion’s exciting and innovative next-generation products.
John holds a Bachelor’s degree in Electrical Engineering from the University of Toronto, as well as a Master’s of Business Administration from INSEAD, Fontainebleau France."An old bio says this about James Hoover:"James Hoover is a founding Vice President at Dominion Voting. Since its inception, James has worked to define and maintain Dominion’s sense of respect, responsibility, and commitment to all of our clients, voters, and the democracies we serve. Currently Vice President of Product Line Management, James defines the technical and operational standards by which Dominion operates, and drives Dominion in the relentless pursuit of quality and technology advancement.James works closely with Dominion’s client services and sales teams, and along with Dominion’s engineers, he applies the company’s talent and leadership to answer customer needs; continually improving and enhancing Dominion’s innovative products and services.James holds a Master of Science (MSc) in Mechanical Engineering from the University of Alberta."Dominion Voting Systems has a web of links to companies tied to Washington power players.A 2014 State of California document indicates Dominion’s agent of record at that time was Boston lawyer Michael Bevilacqua of Wilmer Hale. Former special prosecutor Robert Mueller works for that firm. Dominion earned $44 million in 2012, according to the form. It listed its addresses for manufacturing and development as Toronto; Belgrade, Serbia; Denver; Plano, Texas; and Baldwin Park, California. A 2020 filing lists their registered agent as Cogency Global in Florida. Its directors were listed as Hootan Yaghoobzadeh of Staple Street Capital, Stephen Owens, also of Staple Street, and Benjamin Humphreys. Yaghoobzadeh and Owens have past ties to the Carlyle Group investment firm.
The New York Times reported in June 2020 on issues in the Georgia primary. Dominion’s spokesperson “said the company had to replace only 20 components for 30,000 machines” in the Georgia primary, calling it “a very low number for a statewide voting system rollout across 159 counties.”The Times reported that some Democrats in the Georgia Legislature opposed purchasing the system but there is “some evidence that heavy lobbying and sales tactics have played a role in their adoption in Georgia and elsewhere.”Georgia alone has eight registered lobbyists for Dominion, and they include Lewis Abit Massey, a former Democratic Georgia Secretary of State, and Jared Thomas, former chief of staff for Republican Governor Brian Kemp, according to The Times.According to Ellines.com, “He is a youth hockey coach and a mentor to young aspiring business students. He is an active member of YPO, and part of an alliance of Greek-Canadian entrepreneurs who share a common goal to preserve their heritage.”Poulos was the face of the company before Congress, where he was peppered with questions about whether the company gets components from China.During congressional testimony in January, Poulos said: “We do have components in our products that come from China. Our tabulated products have always been manufactured in the United States.” He said the Chinese components included “LCD components, the actual glass screen on the interface down to the chip component level…there’s no option for manufacturing of those in the United States. We would welcome guidelines and best practices.”https://www.c-span.org/video/standalone/?c4921488/user-clip-dominion-parts-chinaA 2019 report by the Brennan Center for Justice highlighted a lack of vendor oversight, raising Congressional concern about voting machines in general, according to The Associated Press.
What are the company’s ties to the Clinton Foundation? “Dominion Voting” is listed as a $25,000 to $50,000 donor to the Clinton Foundation in 2014 by The Washington Post.According to the Clinton Foundation:"In 2014, Dominion Voting committed to providing emerging and post-conflict democracies with access to voting technology through its philanthropic support to the DELIAN Project, as many emerging democracies suffer from post-electoral violence due to the delay in the publishing of election results. Over the next three years, Dominion Voting will support election technology pilots with donated Automated Voting Machines (AVM), providing an improved electoral process, and therefore safer elections. As a large number of election staff are women, there will be an emphasis on training women, who will be the first to benefit from the skills transfer training and use of AVMs. It is estimated that 100 women will directly benefit from election technology skills training per pilot election."The firm also hired a lobbying firm with ties to Nancy Pelosi’s former chief of staff.According to Bloomberg, Dominion Voting Systems “hired … a high-powered firm that includes a longtime aide to Speaker Nancy Pelosi. … Dominion’s first-ever lobbying firm is Brownstein Farber Hyatt and Schreck. Nadeam Elshami, Pelosi’s former chief of staff, is one of the lobbyists on the account.”The hire came as Congress was increasing scrutiny of election companies due to claims of Russian interference in the 2016 election.“We want to make sure that we are telling the story of what Dominion is, and how deeply the company is invested in our mission, hopefully dispelling myths about our industry along the way,” Kay Stimson, vice president of government affairs at Dominion, told Bloomberg.
It’s not uncommon for major companies to try to curry favor with political leaders on both sides of the aisle. Brownstein Hyatt Farber and Schreck lobbyist David Cohen, “who lobbies for Dominion Voting Systems on issues related to election security and monitors federal legislation for the company,” gave Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s campaign $2,000 in March, Truthout reported.Poulos and the CEOs of other voting systems companies said they welcomed more federal scrutiny.The Penn Wharton Public Policy Initiative published a major report that explored Dominion and other voting companies. The study noted difficulties in studying voting machines and companies, writing, “Part of the challenge in understanding the election technology industry is that it is difficult to compile even basic facts about it. The industry earns an estimated $300 million in revenue annually. … The industry is dominated by three firms that are moderate in size and neither publicly nor independently held, limiting the amount of information available in the public domain about their operations and financial performance.”The study continued, “The seller side of the election technology industry has come to be characterized by a consolidated, highly concentrated market dominated by a few major vendors, where industry growth and competition are constrained.”It says that Dominion acquired other companies to consolidate its position in the market.Dominion is orange in this Penn Wharton map:According to the company’s website, Dominion serves more than 40% of U.S. voters, including customers in 28 states and Puerto Rico and nine of the top 20 counties. The company says it has partnered with 1,300 jurisdictions. The map below shows where the company’s machines are used. This is the information the company gives about its work in key battleground states that were helping determine the presidential election:
Michigan: “Ranked the #1 system by a state review panel in 2018, 65 of 83 counties have chosen Democracy Suite.”Georgia: “2020 statewide voting system rollout, with 33,000 ImageCast X BMDs, serving 159 counties.”Arizona: “Serving 2.2 million Maricopa County voters with Democracy Suite 5.5 paired with the ImageCast X, ImageCast Precinct, and ImageCast Central.”Nevada: “Designed for its Clark County debut in 2017, the ImageCast X with VVPAT now supports 16 of 17 Counties.”Dominion’s website says: “Recognized by Deloitte as one of the fastest-growing tech firms in North America, Dominion provides the highest level of election support services available. From initial project implementation through election set-up, ballot layout, multiple language audio, machine set-up and system testing, we deliver. We also provide testing, Election Day support, training, preventative maintenance, project management and ongoing election consulting.”Dominion denies any fraud allegations in a lengthy statement on its website, which you can read here. “Vote deletion/switching assertions are completely false,” the company says. “Dominion has no company ownership relationships with any member of the Pelosi family, the Feinstein family, or the Clinton Global Initiative, Smartmatic, Scytl, or any ties to Venezuela. Dominion works with all political parties; our customer base and our government outreach practices reflect this nonpartisan approach.” The company adds, “Claims about software updates being done the night before Election Day are 100% false.”Sidney Powell, an attorney for Trump, has made a series of accusations against Dominion.We reached out to the company to see if it wants to make comment on Powell’s claims specifically.This was their response:The gist it that some erroneous claims appear to be conflating Dominion with a different industry company called Smartmatic.
DOMINION IS NOT, AND HAS NEVER BEEN, OWNED BY SMARTMATIC.Dominion is an entirely separate company and a fierce competitor to Smartmatic.Dominion and Smartmatic do not collaborate in any way and have no affiliate relationships or financial ties.Dominion does not use Smartmatic software.he only associations the companies have ever had were:– In 2009, Smartmatic licensed Dominion machines for use in the Philippines. The contract ended in a lawsuit.– In 2010, Dominion purchased certain assets from Sequoia, a private U.S. Company. Smartmatic, a previous owner of Sequoia, pursued legal actions against Dominion. On the Lou Dobbs’ program, Powell said, "I can hardly wait to put forth all of the evidence we have collected on Dominion, starting with the fact it was created to produce altered voting results in Venezuela for Hugo Chavez, and then shipped internationally to manipulate votes for purchase in other countries including this one. It was funded by money from Venezuela and Cuba and China has a role in it also…We have staggering statistical evidence."As soon as the states stopped counting “the most egregious problems occurred,” Powell claimed.She called the fraud “serious” and said machines were “producing altered election results…We are talking about hundreds of thousands of votes. President Trump won this election in a landslide. It’s going to be irrefutable.” Powell said “patriots are coming forward all day every day faster than we can collect their information” and said the machines were updated the night of the election and after the election. She said votes were “put in and replicated. There needs to be a massive criminal investigation, and it’s going to affect millions of voters and elections.”She added that “changing a ballot” is a federal felony. She said Dominion has “been used all over the world to defy the will of people who wanted freedom.”
She said some governors and secretaries of state bought into the Dominion systems.Powell and the Trump campaign have not proven her claims with evidence.Powell’s Amazon.com biography says she was an Assistant United States Attorney “in three judicial districts under 9 United States Attorneys from both political parties. She represented the United States in 350 criminal appeals, and represented private parties in another 150, all resulting in more than 180 published decisions.”The bio continues that she “was the youngest Assistant U.S. Attorney when she began practicing. She is an elected member of the American Law Institute, and the past president of the Bar Association for the Fifth Federal Circuit and the American Academy of Appellate Lawyers.”Her website says she “established her firm, dedicated to federal appellate practice, in 1993. She is now practicing in the Second, Fourth, Fifth, Ninth, Tenth, and Eleventh Federal Circuits, and the United States Supreme Court.”2. The State of Texas Rejected the Company’s Machines & Problems Arose With a Contracted Company in the Philippines That Has Ties to George SorosThe State of Texas rejected Dominion in 2020 for use in its elections, writing:"The examiner reports identified multiple hardware and software issues that preclude the Office of the Texas Secretary of State from determining that the Democracy Suite 5.5-A system satisfies each of the voting-system requirements set forth in the Texas Election Code. Specifically, the examiner reports raise concerns about whether the Democracy Suite 5.5-A system is suitable for its intended purpose; operates efficiently and accurately; and is safe from fraudulent or unauthorized manipulation. Therefore, the Democracy Suite 5.5-A system and corresponding hardware devices do not meet the standards for certification prescribed by Section 122.001 of the Texas Election Code."
According to Center Square, the company “was rejected three times by data communications experts from the Texas Secretary of State and Attorney General’s Office for failing to meet basic security standards.”Florida certified the company but noted some issues, including that the hyphen in “write-in” did not display properly on the precinct tabulator tapes, an issue the Bureau of Voting Systems Certification said did not affect voting machine operations or the scanning or counting of votes and was “of low impact and severity.”The company also has been involved in elections overseas, and one in the Philippines was controversial.According to Access Wire, “Dominion entered into a 2009 contract with Smartmatic and provided Smartmatic with the PCOS machines (optical scanners) that were used in the 2010 Philippine election, the biggest automated election run by a private company.”Problems arose with source codes, according to ABS CBN News. One issue unearthed: “Commands to add, update and delete existing database records lack enclosing transaction logic which may affect database contents and may possibly result in database integrity and other corruption issues.”Center Square noted:"Smartmatic’s chairman is a member of the British House of Lords, Mark Malloch Brown, a former vice-chairman of George Soros’ Investment Funds, former vice-president at the World Bank, lead international partner at Sawyer Miller, a political consulting firm, and former vice-chair of the World Economic Forum."The Associated Press previously debunked false rumors saying that Soros owns Smartmatic voting machines. He does not, says AP. According to the AP, “the chairman of SmartMatics and the SGO Group, Mark Malloch-Brown, serves on the Open Society Foundations Global Board — founded by George Soros.” Smartmatic has previously had some involvement in U.S. elections, according to AP.
PBS ran a story about Windows operating system problems in some election software but noted that Dominion’s “newer systems aren’t touched by upcoming Windows software issues – thought it has election systems acquired from no-longer-existing companies that may run on even older operating systems.”In 2014, there were issues in a New Brunswick election. Company vice president Hoover told The Globe and Mail the problem related to a “computer program configured to expedite the release of results to media servers and to the website of Elections New Brunswick.”“Part of the communications protocol that we used in that system was an off-the-shelf piece of software. … We saw that component malfunction and we shut it down,” he told the publication.3. In Georgia, a Vendor Upload Delayed VotingAccording to Politico, a “technology glitch” halted voting in two Georgia counties on Election Day because a vendor uploaded “an update to their election machines the night before.”A judge extended voting to 11 p.m. after voters couldn’t vote for several hours in Morgan and Spalding counties due to the crash, Politico reported.Dominion defended its work in Georgia, writing, “The Georgia Secretary of State’s office continues to publicly affirm that there are no widespread issues.”According to Politico, the companies use “voting machines made by Dominion Voting Systems and electronic poll books … made by KnowInk.”The companies “uploaded something last night, which is not normal, and it caused a glitch,” said Marcia Ridley, elections supervisor in Spalding County to Politico. “That is something that they don’t ever do. I’ve never seen them update anything the day before the election.”
According to CNN, a problem then arose in Gwinnett County, Georgia, an Atlanta suburb, over delays in reporting results. The county “was finally able to upload about 4,000 outstanding absentee-by-mail ballots, as well as re-run roughly 460 early voting ballots that had to be transferred from a ‘bad data card,’” CNN reported. The delay was caused by a technical issue “with the Dominion system used to upload to the Georgia Secretary of State’s office,” CNN reported. Dominion told CNN the situation “does not relate to system software and has had no impact on the accuracy of vote totals or tabulation.”According to Business Insider, Georgia “became the only state in the country last year to overhaul its entire election system, paying Denver-based Dominion Voting Systems $106 million for new voting machines, printers and scanners.”4. The Company Insists No Software Error Was Found in Michigan When Votes Flipped From Biden to TrumpAntrim County, Michigan, a Republican stronghold, initially showed Biden winning but now says Trump was the victor there, according to the Detroit Free Press. (See Dominion’s Michigan contract here.)The newspaper reported that the county clerk “failed to update election management system software used to combine the electronic totals from tabulators and submit a report of unofficial results,” causing the issue.Dominion has a fact page that seeks to debunk viral rumors about its software. “All U.S. voting systems must provide assurance that they work accurately and reliably as intended under federal U.S. Election Assistance Commission and state certification and testing requirements,” the company insisted.“There are no credible reports or evidence of any system software errors in Georgia or Michigan, including erroneous reporting of unofficial results from Antrim County, Michigan,” the company wrote in a press release.
Jocelyn Benson, the Secretary of State in Michigan, released a lengthy statement on what happened in Antrim.“The error in reporting unofficial results in Antrim County Michigan was the result of a user error that was quickly identified and corrected; did not affect the way ballots were actually tabulated; and would have been identified in the county canvass before official results were reported even if it had not been identified earlier,” she wrote.She confirmed that Antrim County “uses the Dominion Voting Systems election management system and voting machines (tabulators), which count hand-marked paper ballots. Counties use election management systems to program tabulators and also to report unofficial election results.”She also wrote:"After Antrim County initially programmed its election software for the November Election, the county identified in October two local races where the ballot content had to be updated. The county received updated programming from its election programming vendor, Election Source. The updated programming correctly updated the election software for the county. When the software was reprogrammed, the County also had to update the software on all of the media drives that are placed in tabulators to ensure tabulators communicate properly with the election management system. The county did update the media drives that went into the tabulators with the corrected local races, but did not update the media drives on the tabulators for the rest of the county. Because the Clerk correctly updated the media drives for the tabulators with changes to races, and because the other tabulators did not have changes to races,
all tabulators counted ballots correctly. However, because the county did not update the media drives for the tabulators that did nothave changes to races, those tabulators did not communicate properly with the County’s central election management system software when the county combined and reported unofficial results. Every tabulator recorded ballots correctly but the unofficial reports were erroneous. These errors can always be identified and corrected because every tabulator prints a paper totals tape showing how the ballots for each race were counted. After discovering the error in reporting the unofficial results, the clerk worked diligently to report correct unofficial results by reviewing the printed totals tape on each tabulator and hand-entering the results for each race, for each precinct in the county. Again, all ballots were properly tabulated. The user error affected only how the results from the tabulators communicated with the election management system for unofficial reporting. Even if the error had not been noticed and quickly fixed, it would have been caught and identified."5. Dominion Voting Systems Denied Rumors That Sharpies Invalidated People’s Votes in Arizona, but There Were Problems With Sharpies in Pennsylvania in 2019Dominion’s contract with Arizona is worth a lot of money. “The county has added on to the Dominion contract four times since it first formed its partnership in 2016. With this week’s addition, the contract with the Denver-based firm is worth $28.7 million,” Las Vegas Sun reported in September 2020.Dominion denied rumors that voters in Arizona were given Sharpie pens to invalidate their ballots. “There are no issues with the use of Sharpie pens related to hand-marked paper ballots. Any reporting to the contrary is completely false,” Dominion wrote. “Sharpie pens
are safe and reliable to use on ballots, and recommended due to their quick-drying ink,” Dominion wrote in a news release. “Regarding potential ink bleed-through, Dominion’s systems never allow for the creation of ballots with overlapping vote bubbles between the front and back pages of a ballot. If you used a Sharpie provided by your elections office to complete your ballot, please know that your vote was accurately recorded.”The company linked to a statement from local officials.The Maricopa County Board of Supervisors wrote a letter to voters on November 4. “Sharpies do not invalidate ballots,” they wrote. “We did extensive testing on multiple different types of ink with our new vote tabulation equipment. Sharpies are recommended by the manufacturer because they provide the fastest-drying ink. The offset columns on ballots ensure that any bleed-through will not impact your vote. For this reason, sharpies were provided to in-person voters on Election Day. People who voted by mail could use sharpies, or blue or black pens. Our Elections Department has been communicating this publicly for weeks.”
However, problems arose with the felt-tip pens in 2019 in Pennsylvania.Jefferson County started using Dominion systems and “poll workers reported problems with Sharpie markers bleeding through the paper ballots and causing them to be rejected,” WITF.org reported in 2019.The site reported that poll workers were advised “to stop using the markers in favor of black pens packed in their equipment bags as a backup in case the Sharpies ran dry or extras were needed. Dominion had advised using permanent markers.”Armstrong County Democratic Committee Chairman Steve Atwood told the site there were problems with Shapries in that county too because “…the markers bled through and voters had to redo their ballot. They’re small complaints, but I thought that was a big issue – if you have markers bleeding through, throw them out and use something that works.”
The same people who told you orange man bad because anonymous sources say so, are now telling you that sworn testimony of hundreds of people saying there was election fraud doesn't count as evidence. The same people who told you orange man bad because anonymous sources say so, are now telling you that sworn testimony of hundreds of people saying there was election fraud doesn't count as evidence. The same people who told you orange man bad because anonymous sources say so, are now telling you that sworn testimony of hundreds of people saying there was election fraud doesn't count as evidence.
>>733161lots of fraud including over voting, people showing up and finding their vote had been stolen and fake unregistered voteshttps://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/11/19/9-key-points-from-trump-campaign-press-conference-on-challenges-to-election-results/
>>733163Breitbart wasn't telling us orange man bad though.
>>733161>sworn testimony of hundreds of people saying there was election fraud doesn't count as evidence.Sworn testimony by hundreds of retards observing legal behavior they're too fucking dumb to understand is not, in fact, evidence of election fraud.>lots of fraudSo much fraud they're unable to even name a single case.
>>733180>"I didn't actually watch the press conference": The post.
>>733182I don't give a shit what's in the press conference. I read the lawsuits, which are the only thing that matters, and they've got jack shit that hasn't been immediately dumpstered in court.Retards can announce they have proof at any sort of press conference they want, but it turns out that's not the same as having any actual proof.
>>733180Sworn affidavits are literally considered evidence in court. They are a form of witness testimony. Evidence is not the same as proof. Don't be a fucking retard.
>>733204>Sworn affidavits are literally considered evidence in court. They are a form of witness testimony. Evidence is not the same as proof. Don't be a fucking retard.There's no evidence of election fraud either, dipshit. A bunch of retards misunderstanding the election process is not election fraud.
>>733136https://reason.com/2020/11/16/dont-buy-the-debunked-dominion-voting-machine-conspiracy-theory/https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/14/fact-check-dominion-voting-machines-didnt-delete-switch-votes/6282157002/>>733163>breitbartInto the trash it goes!
did any one hear bout 3 fucking boxes full of trump votes
>>733136>Dominion Voting Systems is an election services company from CanadaWe have sane elections up here in Leafland.You crazy burgers took our tech and fucked it up.
>>733249What retarded conspiracy theory are you spinning up this time? The German servers? Hugo Chavez? Come on, retard. Let's have some evidence.
>>733274I look forwards to you killing yourself once your braindead theories go up in smoke.
>>733342Not only do I speak for everyone on this board, I speak for every human on Earth. You're a rancid pile of shit, and everyone on this earth would be better off if you were to take a quick jump off the nearest overpass. Don't delay. Do your part to improve the world today.
so republicans chimp out because election material is distantly related to someone they dont like (basically everyone)but the whole country is expected to bend over backwards to accommodate the chimpingbeing a conservatard must be exhausting. you pitch a fit every other day
>>733218>There's no evidence of election fraud either, dipshit. There have been multiple prosecutions you fucking retard. Use google for once in your miserable, partisan life.
>>733484Google doesn't show any prosecutions because there weren't any related to Trump.
>>733484The irony of retarded Trump supporters citing Google as the source of their evidence of voter is peak fascist dipshittery. Amazing how frequently you knuckle-draggers appeal to the authority of the state when they're bashing protestor skulls or no-knock raiding black people in the middle of the night but the second the judges toss your bullshit conspiracy lawsuits in the trash you want to bitch and moan about the massive Dem conspiracy to hide all the evidence Trump's lawyers fail to present on Google - the same "big tech" boogeyman you whinge at whenever another one of your slack jawed foot soldiers gets kicked off a platform for spamming the n-word and posting nazi memes. You people are liars and degenerates.
>>733490End of the day they're just as full of shit as Trump himself. They believe in nothing, they'll reverse themselves at a moments notice, etc. Completely full of shit.
>>733484>There have been multiple prosecutions you fucking retard.There have been a few individual cases of people attempting to fraudulently vote in an election where 150 million votes were cast, mostly for Trump, who were promptly caught.Nothing even approximating what Trump alleges.
>>733239Kek fuck off shill no self-respecting democracy uses ANY computer systems in the electoral process other than for printing the paper ballots. A democracy can only really be a democracy if every single vote is cast in-person and is observable from casting to counting, which also happens manually and in full view of observers. Of course with special arrangements for people too sick or old to vote themselves, like authorizing someone to vote in your behalf. ANYTHING ELSE is a clear and obvious scheme in order to rig elections, period. Especially when they're made by companies that smell this fishy and that have never designed a system even remotely trying to be fraud-proof much less being fraud-proof. I don't have a list of countries that use e-voting, but if Canada uses this shit too you have my respects, your democracy has been subverted (and you should probably re-examine some other stuff too after the CCP flipped two of your highest Mounties to get into Five Eyes systems).https://fortune.com/2017/07/31/defcon-hackers-us-voting-machines/
I find it rich to claim there could be a fraud because of shallow ties to the clintons after appointing Louis DeJoy to the head of the USPS
>>733546the fact that youre ok with that shows that youre a communist btw. unless the election is 100% fraud free, the incumbent president should remain in office
>>733693>unless the election is 100% fraud freeNot a single election in history has ever been fraud free.
>>733694because trump hasnt been in office. hes here to clean up america from your communist scum and theres nothing that you can do about it. enjoy prison, traitor.
>>733695Are you larping as a retard to own the libs or is this something you actually believe?
>>733696i dont need to larp to own the libs. they do that themselves thanks to their communist agenda
>>733697Have fun coping on January 21st.
>>733698the day of the rope is comin
>>733696I think he is accusing you of sympathy withy Riggers? Do you support Election Rigging?State your beliefs.Fuck cheats say I.
the most hilarious aspect of all this is that if we simply used VOTER ID and a simple thumb print with a signature, and made it illegal to dispose of the paper ballots until 12/14, then, if there were indications of possible voter fraud we would simply corroborate the paper ballots with the tally in that particular district. Also, serious jail time for anyone caught faking ballots. Done.The irony of this thread is for all the bleating of leftist lemmings in that if we did what I outlined above the Marxist party in America would lose by about 25,000,000 votes. And if not, the Constitution allows, and actually encourages, secession.
>>733751>make it a nightmare to vote in cities so the GOP wins by default due to rural countiesThis has been their strategy for the past 100 years, Anon
>>733751You are retarded anon. Trump lost in a landslide. Legitimately. Cope.
>>733751>the Constitution allows, and actually encourages, secessionAbraham Lincoln would like a word with you.
>>733765>>733780>>733783How is he wrong?US elections are considered aberrant by most civilized countries because they lack the most basic security measures.It's not that hard: >you can only vote if you bring your identity document (or passport) AND your electoral card>Each postal code has a corresponding polling station (or more than one when it comes to big cities)>You're registered to a very specific polling station; once you voted, you're ticked off and you can't access it anymore>you can only enter in the first place if your ID matches your electoral card and you're registered to the polling station>your vote is also marked on your electoral car, which means no matter what, there's no way you can vote twice Third world countries are managing to implement such systems.It's like US elections are designed to be as exploitable as possible
>>733793He is retarded because he thinks 31,000,000 Votes were fraud. Every year in elections in all countries there is fraud. In the US, a nation of 330,000,000 people a national election usually has 10s of cases (republicans and democrats). .00000275% or some such.If there was actual fraud in the US then the Dems would have rigger the house and senate as well.Don’t be sucked in by retards and their lies.
>>733793>How is he wrong?Because Republicans have shown time and time again that they don't actually give a shit about election security, they just want another means to suppress the power of Democrat voters. the same way they use gerrymandering, voter roll purges, or polling place closures. Hence why when red states enact voter ID laws they're soon followed by cutting DMV hours or outright closing locations in Dem-leaning areas. That's a far greater concern to the integrity of our elections than stopping the miniscule amount of voter fraud that does happen.>US elections are considered aberrant by most civilized countriesThose countries also all have free and universal national ID programs to ensure every single citizen has a valid ID, so requiring ID to vote doesn't unfairly disadvantage people. The US doesn't have that, and the party pushing for voter ID laws doesn't support it. I'm in favour of voter ID, but only if we also get a comprehensive national ID program alongside it.Our elections are also considered aberrant by other democracies because of things like the electoral college or our archaic representative structure, do you think we should change those things too? Should we become a parliamentary republic like the rest of the developed world is?https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/22/among-democracies-u-s-stands-out-in-how-it-chooses-its-head-of-state/
>>733800>>733800>>733799I don't care about the specifics of this election, I don't care about republicans or democrats, I'm talking in general.As I said, US has a seemingly exploitable system which lacks security measures that are as basic as it can get in most of Europe.I'm studying politics and law so I'm less inclined than others to straight up shit on the electoral college system because of the "unique" history and federal nature of your nation, but how is requiring an ID a disadvantage? Every citizen should be granted an ID at birth. Of course, living in a country doesn't automatically grant you citizenship.
>>733864Ps: gerrymandering is considered borderline idiotic in most countries, I have no idea how you guys are still employing such an absurd system
>>733793>US elections are considered aberrant by most civilized countries because they lack the most basic security measures.Let's check your math.>you can only vote if you bring your identity document (or passport) AND your electoral cardMany (most?) states have similar requirements.It really doesn't matter though, since voter ID fraud is all but non-existent.>Each postal code has a corresponding polling station (or more than one when it comes to big cities)Each precinct has one polling place here in America.>You're registered to a very specific polling station; once you voted, you're ticked off and you can't access it anymoreExactly how it works in the US.>you can only enter in the first place if your ID matches your electoral card and you're registered to the polling stationSee above.>your vote is also marked on your electoral car, which means no matter what, there's no way you can vote twice Pointless, as once you're checked off the rolls, you can't vote twice.>It's like US elections are designed to be as exploitable as possibleThe only flaw in the American system is some states use electronic-only systems.The Dem-led House has passed several election security bills requiring all states to use paper ballots, but Dominion keeps paying off Mitch McConnell, and the GOP-led Senate keeps shooting down these bills.Flip the Senate, save the country.
>>733864>Every citizen should be granted an ID at birth.I agree, but the US doesn't have that hence we can't have a national voter ID law either.
>>733799>He is retarded because he thinks 31,000,000 Votes were fraud.Also this part:>>733751>the Constitution allows, and actually encourages, secession.There is NO provision in the Constitution for secession.
>>733793You need some form of ID when you register to vote, just not necessarily for the voting itself. This is also how it works in e.g. Germany.
>>733874It also doesn't help that the GOP keeps using this a a tool for voter suppression. See: North Dakota 2018 Senate race.
>>733878That's the point, you shouldn't be required to be "registered" to vote.Each citizen should be automatically registered, it's your elections after all. It's perfectly doable when the country keeps track of its citizens.>>733874>the US doesn't have thatBut why?>>733871>PointlessIt's not pointless, it's an ulterior security measure. Voter fraud becomes less plausible because even when a polling place fucks up (maybe you don't get ticked off, maybe you're mistakenly registered to two polling stations because of residence changes/delayed database updates etc), you aren't able to vote twice as any chance is precluded on your part. Which means possible election fraud is largely reduced to disappearing ballots and such. >electronic-only systems Which is a vulnerability by its own, glad we agree.
>>733885>But why?Because a third of the country (who happen to wield a disproportionate amount of political power due to how the Senate is apportioned) thinks enacting literally any government program is Stalinism.
>>733887You may be able to convince them about the opposite by relying on their fear of illegals voting in their precious elections.
>>733889As I said, that's not something they actually care about (and rightfully so, since it doesn't happen to any notable degree). It's just a grift to build support for voter ID laws so that they can then suppress opposing votes.
>>733885>>the US doesn't have that>But why?Why would we?Look, I'm 55.My Mom's Mom never had a drivers license.She never drove.There's a decent chance she never had a photo ID in her life.My Dad's Mom only learned to drive after my Grandfather died.She died a few years later.Throughout most of American history, many (most?) people just didn't have ID beyond a birth certificate.I'm sure the modern suburban plastic life makes it seem like the government is some ubiquitous, inescapable force.But in reality, "no id" is the default, no matter how many people get one. Meanwhile, voter ID fraud is all but nonexistent, so voter ID is a solution in search of a problem.
>>733885>It's not pointless, it's an ulterior security measure.No it's pointless.Even if the polling place worker somehow doesn't remember the one thing they're there to do (derrrrr), unless you know that, you wont even try to vote twice.And your "solution"? "Let's mark up their voter card!" leaves the physical evidence in the hands of the voter.So yeah, pointless.Vote security in this country is doing just fine.But don't take my word for it, just look at Trump's efforts.The GOP would LOVE to find the slightest impropriety, but CAN'T.Meanwhile, I think we're all aware of their voter suppression efforts.Talking about voter fraud while ignoring the GOP's efforts at suppressing opposition votes is an insult to democracy.Oh, it's LEGAL to close hundreds of polling places in selected communities, physically dismantle certain post offices, set up fake drop boxes (apparently), intimidate voters, repeal the voting rights act, etc, etc.But it's still CHEATING.All Republicans must hang.
>>733894>But in reality, "no id" is the default, no matter how many people get one. Not in civilized countries, no.
>>733899>>733899>leaves the physical evidence in the hands of the voter.Which means he 100% can't vote again in the same election. Electoral cards are official documents and they get marked each time with a different government seal. It's extremely unlikely that a card is forged.
>>733958Still not hearing why someone _can't_ copy a card. or (more importantly) why they _would_ since the government already has a record of them voting.You can call it redundant, I'll call it pointless.
>>733960>Still not hearing why someone _can't_ copy a cardBecause good luck copying the rubber stamp of the last X elections
>>733894>don't have IDs>ubiquitous mass surveillance online and IRL under every traffic light and road stop in a country where distances mean almost everyone drivesNot buying your bs, there's nothing "Stalinist" about IDs and I've literally never heard anyone make that connection not even classic libertarians or right-wing consevatives, you're literally just making this up on the spot to bolster your FUD.>>733960>Still not hearing why someone _can't_ copy a card. or (more importantly) why they _would_ since the government already has a record of them votingIf you can copy a mass of cards then an election attacker could hijack their votes by voting first in their name. The second (real) vote cast by those people would then get discarded. Without mandatory ID check, and ballots cryptographically tied to your identity papers, it's just inviting fraud.>pointlessWhat would be the point in securing elections? Democracy is only the most important foundation of modern society. Protecting that from fraud by determined attackers serving special or foreign interests seems prudent.
>>735111>If you can copy a mass of cards then an election attacker could hijack their votes by voting first in their name. The second (real) vote cast by those people would then get discarded.If the election boards find two ballots cast by the same person they will notify law enforcement and investigate as it's a clear case of fraud. You could do it, but the only thing you'd successfully achieve is getting the election tossed rather than actually stealing an election.
>>733136>Christain USAIn Soviet America, secular Canada has Dominion over you.
>>733203thistrump's legal team stated, under oath, that they were not alleging fraudtrump's legal team stated, under oath, that they were not alleging fraudtrump's legal team stated, under oath, that they were not alleging fraud
>>735128Kek yeah I'm sure it'll be the utmost highest priority for LE..
>>733751We're actually supposed to keep the privacy envelopes for two years because it allows us to keep track of who votes.PA decided to destroy them immediately for whatever reason. Really makes you think.
>>733864Remember, its bad to require an id and proof you can vote but its okay to require proof for everything else, gun , car, being a plumber.....
>>735111Ok then make voter IDs free and accessible.
>>735167That's not what he wants and he doesn't give a fuck about voter IDs
>>735153>we're actually supposed to keep the privacy envelopes for two years 
>>735172?? Explain to me how that would be a bad thing, exactly. I'm just a dumb Euro in a country where Voter IDs are sent to people by mail, but once you carry them with you on election day you need to prove with valid ID that you're the person whose name it states on the Voter ID slip, so you can receive your ballot, cast your votes, and all votes then get manually hand-counted in full view of observers no exceptions whatsoever. I read according to Wiki that in the US this would somehow be considered disenfranchisement of undocumented but that's clearly cop-out since it's just a matter of giving people proper identity documents so they can vote, among other things. Ie it's shifting the buck elsewhere while opening a window for elections to have possible vulnerabilities.
>>735198>it's just a matter of giving people proper identity documents so they can voteAnything resembling a free national voter id act will never get out of congress. Nearly the entirety of EU, on the other hand, either makes easily attained documents eligible as proof or has a similar national id policy in place
>>735198Most modern pushes for voter ID are less concerned with election security and more with trying to disenfranchise specific voters. This is why these ID laws are have overly specific requirements (North Carolina's struck down law allowed driver's licenses but not government employee IDs, despite both being government-issue photo IDs) or are paired with highly specific closures of ID-issuing offices ("open only on the fifth Monday of the month"), both of which are tailored to target specific demographics or areas to reduce their turnout for the opposing party. Handing out free ID would prevent these underhanded measure from working, hence a lack of push for free IDs by the same people demanding the ID requirements.Comically, these same laws also ignored mail-in ballots because at the time they were passed (before being struck down) Republicans benefited more from mail-in voting as their constituents were more likely older and more rural. This of course changed this year when the pandemic caused Democrats to vote heavily by mail, so suddenly Republican leadership had to about-face and claim mail-in ballots were prone to fraud and in-person was more secure.If anyone actually gave a shit about election security we'd automatically send IDs with every registration, but nobody wants to do that because it doesn't help them win.
>>735198The problem with Voter ID laws in the US is that the people pushing for them don't actually care about election security; they only want to make it difficult for Democrats to vote.For one, the people proposing the Voter ID laws are often very selective about what counts as Voter ID, for example allowing a concealed-carry license (which Republicans are more likely to have) but not allowing state employment IDs or college IDs (which Democrats are more likely to have). The passage of Voter ID laws also tend to coincide with closings or operations cuts of DMVs in urban and minority areas, making it extremely inconvenient to try and get one.At one point the state of North Carolina had even restricted Sunday voting, admitting in court that it was because people who voted on Sunday tended to be black and Democrat.And another problem with Voter ID is the 24th Amendment, which prohibits any kind of poll tax. The Supreme Court has consistently ruled that having to pay for Voter ID constitutes a poll tax and is therefore unconstitutional, therefore states that implement such laws must make them available for free (which they counteract by the aforementioned obstruction of democrat and minority votes).All of this has led to the well being thoroughly poisoned on Voter ID, as the only people pushing for it are doing so in bad faith.
>>733136>Imagine actually trusting some shitty software to count votes instead of actual paper.
>>733153>These errors can always be identified and corrected because every tabulator prints a paper totals tapeimagine trusting such a shitty machine
>>733546>the media only reports on trump fraud but never on democrat fraudgee wonder why
>>736223What Democrat fraud is there that hasn't been reported on?
>>736226None because they won't ever report itthe media decides politics now through sheer massive indoctrination. 4chan is just another channel for that indoctrination.
>>736230So how do you know there's Democrat fraud?
>>736233imagine thinking the elites haven't been committing massive fraud since the 50's. It's not muh dems or muh reps. It's elites vs us the people, the worthless plebs they despise and want to use as work cattle. but if you still refuse to see that now then just keep being a consoomerist work cow.
>>736240Neither CNN nor their election tracker is involved in any way with running elections.>wait till they drop the KRAKENI'm holding out for the big one: they'll prove Biden personally assassinated millions of Trump voters to win the election. There's just as much evidence of that.
>>736240These are reporting errors, they happen all the time in every election. It just means they accidentally entered some votes into the wrong total, because of e.g. miscommunication on either CNN's or their informant's end, or even just a typo. They then fixed the error. This is the same thing that happened with Decision Desk HQ's "Biden spike" in Michigan. Neither CNN or Decision Desk count the votes, they just report on the information they receive.
>>736245>wew>nice dodge>>736242CNN is the news. What they say is what people believe. Has been like that since the 50's. They lie, we believe.
>>736247>CNN is the newsThe news reports votes, and estimates votes, but they don't count votes. That's government work. If you're alleging there was fraud in vote counting that wouldn't have anything to do with CNN whatsoever.
>>736247You can literally go read the official vote counts released by the state and local governments. You don't have to watch CNN.
>>736247>>736251 (You)Here, the Bevin vs Beshear results, from the Kentucky government themselves.https://elect.ky.gov/results/2010-2019/Documents/2019%20General%20Certified%20Results.pdf
>>736254And what are these supposed to show?
>>736255That CNN isn't responsible for any fraud that exists? The elections are ran by the state governments, errors in CNN's reporting aren't fraud.
How will MAGA traitors cope when Biden gets inaugurated in January?
>>736259So you believe all state governments, even the Republican run ones like Kentucky, are part of the wicked Soros-funded liberal chicom globohomo tranny deepstate? Perhaps /x/ is more your speed.
>>736256>Do you know what the KRAKEN is?It's a mythical creature that doesn't exist.
>>736271https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-d-c-clothesline/>Overall, we rate DC Clothesline Questionable based on the publication of news with an extreme right-wing bias, promotion of far-right propaganda, conspiracies and fake news stories passed off as real without a disclaimer. This appears to be a satire website. If this is not satire, then we are left speechless as virtually every story is unbelievable.
>>736276The article doesn't even present any supposed evidence. The title and the contents of the article have literally nothing to do with each other.
>>736277I figured but I didn't want to grace the site owners with clicks.
>>736273Yep, good thing the electoral college will vote in favour of the democratically elected president, Joe Biden.
>>736248the news can say whatever it wants, who checks the news.They don't have to count the votes, if they work together with the elites and the elites say well it's 51% votes trump and 49% hillary then the media will report that trump wins and no judge will go against that. fucking stupid to think law means shit if you're that powerful.>>736251>what are elites working with the mediaif they both say the same your data won't matter, the judge will rule in the elite favour. has never ever been the other way.>>736254who vs who? elites playing against each other? definitely trustworthy and totally not a waste of time. >>736257how the fuck would cnn do election fraud. But if they work together with the elites all they need to do is report the 'right' numbers and it's all done and settled. Democracy hasn't meant a thing since 1950.
>>736267no just part of the same globalised elites trying gain control of the populace. You can throw together a bunch of buzzwords to make it look absurd but it's just elites having taken over the world.
>>736273>a system consisting entirely of elites surely will decide fairly over which elitist gets to be the President(tm)
>>736306>>736310If all elections since 1950 are fradulent and run by the globalists elites, how did Trump ever win in 2016?
>>736315because either trump the billionaire social elitist faux-clown is part of the elite (whaattt a billionaire being part of the elite and pretending to be opposed to the elite to fool the stupid retarded people, nooo that would be insaaannee right? kys.)or either trump isn't part of that elite and they let him win without allowing him to make meaningful change (Parliament flipped again after a while during his presidency) so that the stupid retarded people keep believing the utterly failed corrupt system works.Are you willingly blind or do you just not realise how much power the elites have?
>>736447>(Parliament flipped again after a while during his presidency)
>>736588Question, where is the evidence for conspiracy to commit mass voter fraud?
>>737376Damned it, that’s not the point.
>>737376General Evidence of systemic fraud:https://hereistheevidence.com/https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/18694655/pearson-v-kemp/https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/18693929/king-v-whitmer/Evidence the Media ( And dominion ) is lying about Smartmatics ties to Dominion and their systems security:https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06CARACAS2063_a.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dominion_Voting_Systems&oldid=978653274https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Injuncted_Princeton_voting_machine_report:_Insecurities_and_Inaccuracies_of_the_Sequoia_AVC_Advantage_9.00H_DRE_Voting_Machine,_17_Oct_2008https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.350905/gov.uscourts.mied.350905.1.15.pdfLeftoid hypocrisy:https://youtu.be/-s9PkuiIw2Qhttps://youtu.be/svEuG_ekNT0https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/30/us/politics/pennsylvania-voting-machines.htmlIllegal voters, Dead Voters, Unreturned votes, Unrequested ballots, and other anomalies:https://youtu.be/XH9ihoLi1NAhttps://pastebin.com/uqXgk8zghttps://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.350905/gov.uscourts.mied.350905.1.11.pdfhttps://www.inquirer.com/politics/election/philadelphia-election-trump-equipment-stolen-usb-laptop-20200930.html
>>737858>ohh loock they are doping the same americunts do to other countriesUS is a fourth world shithole.
>>737862True, the CIA and FBI are corrupt scumfucks that do this to third world countries they wish to proxy all the time. This doesn't make it OK for them to do it to their own country.
I like how they keep saying there is no evidence.. They never say the machines were not hacked or changed or set to make one win regardless if votes.
>>733699I wish it did because Trumptards are the biggest pussies on the planet and would be the first to go.
>>737889There is no evidence that the machines were hacked nor any that says they were changed to make someone win regardless of who votes. All you have is affidavits from people who wouldn't know what happened and are guessing based on their feelings or personal biases.
>>737944If you'd watched Kill Chain you would know neither Dominion Voting Systems, nor Hart, nor ESS provide an actual paper trail that could not have been manipulated. All electronic voting is purpose-built for fraud, always has been. It's quite shocking the U.S. uses e-voting, much less from 3 garbage companies who refuse audits, use extremely vulnerable hardware that.Any state that used any form of computerized voting AND/OR counting needs to redo the entire election. Sorry, but there's no other way now. We need to eject dangerous fucks like Kemp and Whitmer out of office asap, before these companies turn the narrative on its head and exploit the MSM's tenuous "t-there no e-evidence of f-fraud" into such powerful advertising all future elections will be rigged as well.Watch Kill Chain on HBO and tell me it doesn't make you sick to your stomach. Completely independent of political affiliation, it should. Every day U.S. delays the COMPLETE AND TOTAL BAN ON ANY ELECTRONIC VOTING is a day it endangers its democracy further, and any states that refuse to use completely paper ballots and manual voting and counting need to be removed from the United States.
>>733655This.Plus, they don't even have ID validity checks.They wanted it in the past but guess what, the democratic party rejected it! Now we know why.There is literally ZERO voting & counting accountability.I guess they want more immigrants.. that's what GS says the EU needs.. and he's all best buddies with Biden & Co. so if the "democrats" do win I guess the US might also get a taste of immigration policies Germany style.They might also have to look forward to a other war somewhere seeing what Biden promised regarding foreign politics agendas.Trump was only the second US president who not only did not start armed fighting anywhere but also retreated some occupying forces.You all kno what happened to the first one... yep, he was that Kennedy.
>>733136The proof of thing-fraud is inferiority of things to Skaven yes-yes. Thing success proof that things cheat. Not possible that thing beats Skaven through superiority when inferiority self-evident.
>>735203Cite the law. I want to read it.