Michigan GOPers Try To Steal Election For Trump, Change Minds At The Last Minute>Republicans on the Wayne County Board of Canvassers only wanted to certify votes from the white suburbs of mostly Black Detroit, but reversed under pressure.The two Republicans on Michigan’s Wayne County Board of Canvassers initially refused on Tuesday to certify the county’s election results, which show former Vice President Joe Biden defeating President Donald Trump.But they suddenly reversed their decision after hours of phone calls from the public lambasting them for trying to exclude predominantly Black Detroit from the certification.The board first deadlocked at 2-2 with the Republicans voting against certifying the results and Democrats voting to certify. It would have been an unprecedented move by a local board to refuse to certify an election result as part of a scheme to overturn the outcome.This ultimately aborted move came as Trump continues to falsely claim that voter fraud cost him the election without providing any evidence or specific, provable allegations of fraud. Trump has filed over 20 lawsuits challenging the election results, with disastrous results so far. He has repeatedly lost in court because he can present no evidence of fraud.The two Republican board members ― Monica Palmer and William Hartmann ― initially stated that their refusal to certify Wayne County’s results was due to minor discrepancies in absentee poll book matches, according to The Detroit News. Similar minor discrepancies have never stopped the local board from certifying elections in the past.“There is no reason under the sun for us to have not certified this election,” Board Vice Chairman Jonathan Kinloch, one of the board’s two Democrats, said. “I believe that politics made its presence known here today.”https://www.huffpost.com/entry/michigan-republicans-detroit-wayne-county_n_5fb4812cc5b695be82fe1b4d
After the initial vote, the board of canvassers heard from angry members of the public, who accused the two Republicans of racism for trying to exclude votes from Detroit, which is approximately 80% Black.Palmer, one of the Republicans on the Wayne County board, initially suggested that she would only certify “communities other than Detroit” that are within the county — suburbs that are predominantly white.Hartmann, meanwhile, has shared racist memes, including about Detroit residents, and has promoted Trump’s disproven conspiracies about voter fraud on his social media accounts.>Did a cruise through Wayne County Canvassing Board member William Hartmann’s public Facebook posts. He’s a Republican, so not a surprise he is a BIG Trump supporter>I’ll let you judge a sample of posts I pulled from 2010. He voted not to certify Wayne County’s ballots. pic.twitter.com/vGZt8mGeCF“As the process moves to the state level, eligible Black voters and others across Wayne County, who overcame tremendous obstacles to vote this season, are being rendered, second-class citizens,” Kristen Clarke, president of the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, said in a statement.Leading Michigan Democrats denounced the Republicans’ initial refusal to certify the results before they changed their votes.“In refusing to approve the results of the election in Wayne County, the two Republican members of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers have placed partisan politics above their legal duty to certify the election results,” Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D-Mich.) said in a statement Tuesday night. >It’s plain and simple, folks. The Republican members of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers put politics above their duty to our residents. Suggesting that all of Wayne County can be certified, EXCEPT for Detroit, is horrifying racist and a subversion of our democracy.
After hearing from the public, Palmer and Hartmann reversed their votes and the board unanimously certified the county’s election results while also calling on Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson (D) to conduct a review of poll book discrepancies.While this episode ultimately ended with the votes upheld, it demonstrates a Republican Party, from the president on down to local officials, willing to discard the election results and steal the 2020 election, specifically by invalidating votes cast by Black Americans.The initial action by the GOP board of canvassers members was part of a scheme, promoted by Trump’s campaign, involving local and state-level Republicans on local canvassing and elections boards refusing to certify election results in jurisdictions where Biden won. In doing so, they believe, they could throw the certification decision to Republican-controlled state legislatures that could then choose Trump as the winner, even though he lost the popular vote to Biden by almost 3%. Republican legislative leaders have, however, said that they will play no role in the theft of the election.Trump praised the initial refusal to certify the Wayne County results in an inaccurate tweet claiming that the certification for statewide Michigan results had been refused.“Wow!” Trump tweeted. “Michigan just refused to certify the election results! Having courage is a beautiful thing. The USA stands proud!”The board reversed the decision six minutes later.
https://twitter.com/NedStaeblerandhttps://twitter.com/AbrahamAiyash/status/1328884506137423873are proud members threating to dox them and their children
>after being doxed they were intimidated into reversing their decision
https://streamable.com/yhl89phere's Ned Staebler threatening her and her children
>>732122>>732123>>732125>Getting called out for a clearly racist act and reminding them that their sins will haunt their children and grandchildren is bad.Coup fascists. Ned is what we call a patriot and a hero who takes the fascist right to task for their crimes against America. https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1328882122724155393
>>732120>The board reversed the decision six minutes later.It's like burgerland is one big sitcom.
>>732123>Breaking the law doesn't warrant threat of violence
>>732123The only remedy to tyranny is violence. If they refused to certify the votes as part of Trump's coup, then the people of Detroit would be justified in gently escorting them from their offices.
>>732137>>732136Also keep in mind Republicans rioted in Detroit in an attempt to stop the votes from being legally counted as well. Naming and shaming Monica Palmer and William Hartmann was the most charitable thing anyone could do given they were attempting to stage a coup against democratically elected government.
>>732125He did the right thing calling them out for their blatant corruption attempt
>>732136oh good morning authoritarian-chan, I didn't see you there
>>732154This, he made a clear case as to why their excuses didn't hold up, the motives behind what they were doing a gentle reminder that history was going to judge them not only poorly, but they'd go to hell.
Lets just get it over with and rename the country the USSA. The Republicans will lose, and the Lefty thought police assisted by Twitter and Facebook commissars will be visiting people in the middle of the night and burning them out of their homes...heck, they're already doing that RIGHT NOW, so how much worse will it be when the Lefties are in power?
It's funny that the Trump shill's only argument is to try and smear the one guy who called out the their scheme to their face unamerican because he thinks it's okay to punch Nazis. Really makes you think.
>>732178Dude your going nuts.
>>732178what would uncle ted do
>>732132>>732136>>732137>>732139>>732154>>732161>arguments that won't hold up in court when the lawsuit gets filed
>>732344Lawsuit for what?
>>732133>It's like burgerland is one big sitcom.At the very least, our president is a clown. Whether our country is a comedy or a tragedy, well I suppose that depends on perspective.
>right wingers jerk off over the day of the rope>right wingers also completely buckle and cry foul when reminded that people know where they live if they try blatant voter fraud like this
>>732118>Monica Palmer and William HartmannTraitors to this country
>>732123Our right guaranteed under 1A.
>>732344>red numbers and green lettersThis is /news/, not /pol/. Come back when you learn to articulate your thoughts.
It's great how the Republicans are trying to say they're the victims and their people got threatened into certifying the votes when the one Republican outright said they were 100% motivated by rigging the election for Trump and racism.And because saying the town someone lives in is doxing to conservatives when they release all the personal information of someone they hate.
>>732118Good news everyone! The two GOP members of the county board rescinded their votes today and filed sworn affidavits stating that they felt they were coerced into certifying the vote count due to threats of physical violence from uppity Democrat thrugs.https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/wayne-county-election-board-republicans-say-they-were-bullied-rescind>In an extraordinary turnabout that foreshadows possible legal action, the two GOP members of Wayne County's election board signed affidavits Wednesday night alleging they were bullied and misled into approving election results in Michigan's largest metropolis and do not believe the votes should be certified until serious irregularities in Detroit votes are resolved.>The statements by Wayne County Board of Canvassers Chairwoman Monica Palmer and fellow GOP member William C. Hartmann rescinding their votes from a day earlier threw into question anew whether Michigan's presidential vote currently favoring Democrat Joe Biden will be certified. They also signaled a possible legal confrontation ahead.>You can read their affidavits here.>https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2020-11/20201118184530537.pdf>https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2020-11/img-201118215108%20%281%29.pdf
>>732563https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/just-the-news/>Overall, we rate Just the News Right Biased based on story selection that mostly favors a conservative perspective. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to four failed fact checks over a short period of time.
>>732563>how dare we be forced to obey the will of the people!Is there a recall process for their board?
>>732566That's right anon, you can just cry about bias and use your security blanket bias checker site and pretend those mean old affidavits totally aren't real>>732568>>how dare we be forced to obey the will of the people!Pretty sure people who threaten physical violence against people's children to get what they want, are bad people and should be opposed
>>732571People who attempt to overthrow democracy and instill tyranny deserve everything that they get.
>>732573>People who attempt to overthrow democracy and instill tyranny deserve everything that they getPretty sure bullying someone into voting the way you want with violence is tyranny, so I would agree.
>>732576There is no reason for them to not certify the votes, only pure partisan politics attempting to throw out the votes of the people. They should be dragged out of their offices and they and their families booted out of the state of Michigan.
>>732571The affidavits don't make John Solomon's bullshit spin real.
>my constituents said mean things to me :((((Biden is surely finished now
>>732577>They should be dragged out of their officesGee, it's almost like rhetoric like this is exactly why they rescinded their votes and gave sworn testimony to an ongoing court case involving voter fraud.>>732578>The affidavits don't make John Solomon's bullshit spin real.The affidavits are now sworn testimony that will be used in court as evidence. Cope.>>732579>threatening violence against someone's children is merely saying mean thingsIt's like your just simply incapable of arguing in good faith
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/18/politics/republican-michigan-certification-conspiracy-theories/index.htmlOne of the GOP board members who had refused to certify the ballots is a racist conspiracy loon, who could've guessed?
>>732579Silence is violence yes. So saying mean things is literally worse than violence.
>>732583Trying to instill a dictatorship should be punished violently.
>>732585>can't refute what they're saying>baseless character attackGood thing adhom's aren't admissible evidence to a court. Their affidavits are though :)>>732588Once again, violently coercing someone to change their vote against how they wanted to vote is tyranny. So you're once again, describing the actions of those uppity Democrat thugs
>>732593>people said mean things to me on the phone some evidence. Are all GOP cronies this weak-willed?
>>732568https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/wayne-county-canvasser-i-sought-protect-detroit-vote-not-be-racistTurns out this little stunt will likely cost these two slimeballs their jobs.>Wayne County commissioners may soon demand the resignations of two Republican canvassers who initially refused to certify the county’s election this week before relenting under intense criticism.>Commission Chairwoman Alicia Bell, D-Detroit, told Bridge Michigan late Wednesday she has drafted resolutions seeking to “censure and rebuke, in the strongest possible terms” GOP canvassers Monica Palmer of Grosse Pointe Woods and William Hartman of Wyandotte and demand their immediate resignations.>The resolution claims the two acted “in blatant disregard of their official duties and in service of a partisan agenda.” It singles out Palmer, the chair of the canvassing board, for saying during Tuesday’s meeting that she would certify all of the county’s votes except those in Detroit, “thus displaying a conspicuous and unacceptable racial bias against the most predominantly Black community in our state, and the potential disenfranchisement of the voters of Michigan’s largest city.”>“It’s really uncalled for and reprehensible for people in their positions to forsake their responsibilities and not do the right thing,” Bell said.>Bell told Bridge she had initially planned to introduce the resolutions on Thursday but will do so at the board’s next meeting in early December to finalize some details.
>>732583The affidavits don't say anything about threats of physical violence like your clickbait article says.
Turns out one of the republicans might have already broken the law.https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/wayne/2020/11/18/wayne-county-board-of-canvassers-monica-palmer-complaint/6339134002/
>>732601Also if Trump's 'lawyers' have shown, affidavits mean nothing.
>>732123They weren't doxed. This is classic right wing victim complex at work.
>>732619the right wing mantra, tout the importance of personal responsibility while simultaneously claiming everything else is out to get you and it's not your fault
>>732563>As if it couldn't get any wilder at the Wayne County board of canvassers:The republican members are now seeking to rescind certification, despite the fact that the motion officially passed, certification papers were signed, & records were sent to secretary of state this AM>While, Palmer and Hartmann have signed affidavits seeking to revoke their certification, Vice Chair Kinloch assures me the deal is already done. Lawsuits withstanding, as election lawyers have explained to me, the deadline is also a hard stop, and the deadline was yesterday.>What people likely missed on Tuesday night, after Wayne County canvassers voted to certify, Kinloch into'd a 2nd motion waving reconsideration, meaning the board wouldn't be able to revisit, explicitly because he suspected the Republicans wld come under pressure today #Foresighttl;dr, they can't take back their certification and the vice chair had the foresight to realize the Republicans would try and stab America in the back so along with the certification, he also included a second motion which would not allow them to reconsider, which the Republicans agreed to.Republicans got 3D'd chess'd out of their coup attempt.
>>732623>they agreed to under duressftfy
>>732689nah there wasn't any duress it was just that dems in the meeting happened to mention where their spouses work and where their kids go to school. totally normal and not on the record or legally admissible stuff.
and they switched a 3rd time. now they are not certifying. They say they were pressured called racist and threatened.
>>732133>burgerland is one big shitcom
>>732123>>after being doxed they were intimidated into reversing their decisionHave you still not learned how Communists work? Retarded Amerimutts, I swear.
How far right do you have to be to think the Detroit election board is packed with Communists?
>>732600>refuse to comply under threat of physical violence>think threateneing job loss will suddenly make them complyUppity Democrat Thugs at it again. See you in court!>>732619>They weren't doxed.>>732690>nah there wasn't any duressThey were definitely doxxed and submitted proof of the doxxing, which is duress. Again, see you in court!>>732760>How far right do you have to be to think the Detroit election board is packed with Communists?How far left do you have to be to not see that the average American thinking that the Detroit election board is filled with communists is not unreasonable given the rhetoric and action from Democrats and the left? You're not gaslighting your way out of this one, comrade.
>>732689>Being presented with the facts and people upset that you were trying to throw out votes based on racism is duress.L O LOL
>>732783>They were definitely doxxed No they weren't.Enjoy taking another L!
Funny how the two Republican members of Wayne County board happened to omit — in their lengthy affidavits — their phone call with Trump on Tuesday evening before they attempted to "rescind" their votes on Wednesday.Would be interesting if they had to testify on this.
>>732784>doxxing them and their children on air and send them all death threats>Being presented with the facts and people upsetPick one. Uppity democrat thugs are on a whole other level>>732785Yes they were. https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/19/wayne-county-canvassers-doxxed-threatened/6340324002/>>732787>Would be interesting if they had to testify on this.You're aware that even if Trump explicitly told them they should rescind their votes because they were threatened that it would be perfectly legal for him to do so, yes?If Democrats didn't want these two people being in the Presidents sphere, they probably shouldn't have doxx'd them and sent them and their kids death threats that pushed them into the national spotlight
>>732789I love how Republicans always have these deeply interwoven, conspiratorial excuses for why they consistently behave like degenerate fucking animals.
Rescinding vote certification isn't a thing, Michigan's done.
>>732789>doxxing them and their children on air and send them all death threats>Mentioning the town you're from having a racist history is doxing to a right winger.The absolute state of coping.>freepGot any none right wing propaganda?Of course you don't.Enjoy your next L.
>>732794>I love how Democrats always have these deeply interwoven, conspiratorial excuses for why they consistently behave like degenerate fucking animals.FTFY. Go send death threats to someone else's kids. Uppity democrat thugs are wild.>>732801>>Mentioning the town you're from having a racist history is doxing to a right winger.>The absolute state of coping.I like how you purposefully omit the part where they outed the name of the school their kids went to and said it would be a shame if someone did something.>crying about freep>muh rightwing anything iosn't allowed!It's a local Detroit paper.Enjoy convincing the court you're not the one taking an L when you get arrested for inciting violence and voter fraud
>>732796>Rescinding vote certification isn't a thingBe sure you try to file your affidavit that says this so when it gets rejected they can laugh at you in court
>>732803The guy mentioned the Monica Palmer's kids school district because it's majority black showing the hypocrisy and racist cruelty of Monica Palmer.This is not doxing, nor was there any threat.Just because the right wing does it, doesn't mean actual Americans do.
Why are republicans so demonic?They are not even trying to hide how evil they are anymore.
>>732811It's true. Liberals can be pretentious queers but at least they're not sinister, conniving, selfish, conmen.
>>732803Nothing you're saying is true. You're regurgitating propagandized conservative fever dreams.>>732811Its just in their nature, unfortunately.
>>732811Republican voters, most of them, are not demonic. Instead they have been race baited into supporting a political party that does not represent their interests. That’s why you see so much race garbage over on /pol/. If /pol/ actually had discussions about policy the. The maga heads might realize they are backing the wrong side.
>>732816Republican demagogues are demonic. Republican politicians are demonic. Republican voters are a mix of demons, uneducated dipshits and brainwashed simps.
>>732818>Republican voters are a mix of demons, uneducated dipshits and brainwashed simps.I dont think I've ever seen a single sentence in my life I agreed with moreI've met republicans who disapprove of trumps job on covid, but argue its UNAMERICAN to vote against a current president during a crisis.
>>732828>I've met republicans who disapprove of trumps job on covid, but argue its UNAMERICAN to vote against a current president during a crisis.Their entire ideological platform is ends justifying the memes. Even if they aren't open or aware of the consequences of their actions they are, for all intents and purposes, willing to slam drunk their own country into the ground because triggering da libs is worth it.
>>732783>pointing out where public officials live is "doxxing"Also it sounds like threatening job loss *did* make them comply, though its probably too late for them.
>>732804Are you going to livestream your suicide when Joe gets inaugurated on Jan. 20?
Trump's treason plot expands to the state legislators. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-strategy/trumps-election-power-play-persuade-republican-legislators-to-do-what-u-s-voters-did-not-idUSKBN27Z30G
>>732818>>732828>>732832Yes, there are some very silly people in the world, but they come in all shapes and sizes, for example the left believes that people should be racially discriminated against for not being diverse. Isn't that something very obviously illogical and also morally obnoxious? Yet people believe it or pretend to to avoid an intimidation/boycott campaign by the far-left. What do you think about that?
>>732899>far leftYou heard it here first, if you're for free and fair elections, and want to call out those who steal it for Trump, you're far left.
>>732904They literally can't discern reality from fiction anymore. I'm hardly concerned with their view of the political spectrum and where I fit when they're so far removed from any semblance of nonfiction
>>732937Nah, we cant wait for it to get there and then unanimously be stricken down in front of your awe stricken cock-holsters because it's literally the funniest thing I've ever seen
>>732938There isnt a font size big enough for that kekQuality bait
>>732563>baselessly complain about Democrats changing votes that have already been cast, only to then complain you want to change the votes you've already cast about whether to certify votes that have been castRules for thee but not for me, eh?
>>732939Gas lighting only works on Trumpfags /pol/ppet. It doesn't work here.
>>732904>>732940>>732943Onto an anti white leftypol tranny would believe that democrat voter fraud is a part of "free and fair elections"
>>733208Only a braindead monkey would believe that fraud happened despite not a single shred of evidence of any fraud being presented in all of 30+ Trump lawsuits.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-summons-mich-gop-leaders-to-wh-for-extraordinary-meeting_n_5fb6e296c5b618e45b467f8aPlace your bet on the quid pro quo Trump is planning.
hah leftist fag
trump 2020 we will recover
>>733248white people in general, americans specifically
>>733250More white americans voted for Biden
>>732811They're not, at least most joe shmo republicans aren't. I don't even think they're that dumb either. Their leaders have just blasted them with so much race baiting, doom mongering and general tinfoil hat nonsense that they've been scared shitless into voting against their own interests. And their leaders have gone to great lengths painting everyone who disagrees as "un-American" which doesn't help.
>>732344>The problem isn't voter suppression, it's the citizens getting upset about itStatist cuck
>>733273>and Kamala is made the first Black presidentI had a genuine good hard laugh reading thatthank you
>>733248Racists and fascists.
>>733261>paints it as "un-American">most of the retard republican voters are perfectly fine with flying a confederate flag>confederates literally were willing to sell the USA to fucking europe just so they could win against the north
TRUMP'S LATEST COUP PLOT FOILED AS MICHIGAN'S STATE BOARD CERTIFICATES ELECTION.https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/11/23/michigan-election-state-canvassers-certification/6390475002/
So the over 300k votes that were counted in less than 90 minutes at 4 a.m. when canvasser stations were closed from the 2 districts that had 0 registered voters are totally real? (You can fact check me on the Gov website it is where I got my numbers)I'm calling BS.
The problem with Lefties is how short their collective memories are. It wasn't that long the Democrats were urging Bunker Biden never to concede until all the votes and LEGAL resources are exhausted...well, the Trump has taken a leaf out of the Democrat anarchist playbook, so why the doom and hypocrisy NOW? A the Lefties have been saying for so long, Cope. Let it play out. This is the chaotic election the Democrats wanted to perpetrate with the lack of voter ID and mail in, well, now they've got it.
>>737036not content with regular whataboutism, republicans now mining fictional whataboutism: instead of saying "look at what the democrats did", they now need merely say "look at what the democrats totally would have done"a whataboutism as free as the imagination
The Democrats in the House VOTED for mail in. The Democrats PUSHED for lack of voter ID. They played hard and fast with state laws. This is not a fiction, it's what they DID, not 'Look at what the Democrats totally would have done'. Now, they are reaping the LEGAL fallout of what they have done, otherwise the Republicans who've been following the rules, would not have a legal leg to stand on. The mainstream media is pushing a counter reality fake narrative as usual, and it is THEY who are all about your whataboutism.
The inside story of Trump's failed coup in Michigan.https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/11/24/michigan-election-trump-voter-fraud-democracy-440475
>>737052cry more, nazi
>>737052>The Democrats in the House VOTED for mail in.The House of Representatives does not decide how states run elections.>The Democrats PUSHED for lack of voter ID.Voter ID laws disenfranchise thousands of Americans and in any case, Donald Trump was elected under the same IDless voting system in 2016.>They played hard and fast with state laws.They attempted to get changes, but these were litigated in court and the election was counted according to state laws.>otherwise the Republicans who've been following the rules, would not have a legal leg to stand on.The Trump campaign does in fact not have any legal legs to stand on. Their lawsuits alleging fraud have failed 100%. Trump-appointed judges have shut down their idiotic lawsuits in scathing terms. They are batting zero for thirty on fraud and the only people who think there's a legal case to be had are conmen and idiots.
>>737052>would not have a legal leg to stand outThey literally don't. What the fuck are you talking about? That's the whole point of the article.
>>732344As a trumpanzee, you don't have room to talk about arguments that won't hold up in court.
>>732132Looks like Trumpfags doxed and tried to stage an attack on this hero, not sure if it went through given one of the co-conspirators got visited by the police.
>>737503>The Trump campaign does in fact not have any legal legs to stand on.Except for thousands of affidavits, sworn expert testimony and MI literally violating the constitution, sure.
>>737568>AffidavitsYou mean the ones that either can't be proven or prove they don't understand how the process works and would lead to a one way trip to perjery if they were actually told to testify under oath?LOL, try it fag,
Can any anon explain this then, the full video on bitchite isn't going to be up long. Twitter.com/inthematrix/status/133216973530014928
Biden Reveals Everything Herehttps://youtu.be/kmAkAKdMI9gOmg wtf OMG WTF