Research by a team of international scholars shows the Republican Party’s shift away from democratic norms predates Donald Trump but has accelerated sincehttps://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/11/12/republican-party-trump-authoritarian-data/Taking a cue from President Trump, several leading Republican lawmakers and officials have refused to acknowledge Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 presidential contest and indulge Trump’s baseless claims of voter fraud.In Georgia, two GOP senators called on the state’s Republican secretary of state to resign, alleging irregularities and mismanagement without offering evidence. Only four of 53 Senate Republicans have congratulated Biden on his projected victory. Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin recently told reporters “there’s nothing to congratulate [Biden] about,” while Missouri’s Roy Blunt said the president “may not have been defeated at all.”It’s the latest sign of the party’s lurch away from democratic ideals and practices, a shift that predates Trump but one that has accelerated precipitously since. Now, according to data released by an international team of political scientists just before the Nov. 3 election, it’s possible to quantify the extent to which the Republican Party no longer adheres to such principles as the commitment to free and fair elections with multiple parties, the respectful treatment of political opponents and the avoidance of violent rhetoric.“The Republican Party in the U.S. has retreated from upholding democratic norms in recent years,” said Anna Lührmann, a political scientist at the University of Gothenburg in Sweden and a former member of the German parliament. “Its rhetoric is closer to authoritarian parties, such as AKP in Turkey and Fidesz in Hungary.”
Image without a captionLührmann is deputy director of the university’s V-Dem Institute, which compiled the data. For the project, researchers recruited more than 600 political scientists around the world to make annual assessments of political parties’ adherence to a number of key small-D democratic values.Those assessments are combined into the main measure in the chart above, which tracks parties’ overall commitment to democracy. Lührmann points out that the Republican Party score started to edge downward during the Obama administration but fell off a cliff in 2016 with the ascent of Trump.The Democratic Party, by contrast, hasn’t changed much. This is a prime example of what political scientists call asymmetric polarization — a growing partisan gap driven almost entirely by the actions of the Republican Party.While V-Dem’s data only runs through 2018, that asymmetry has only become more apparent in the aftermath of this election, Lührmann said: “It is disturbing that most leading Republicans are still not objecting to President Trump’s baseless claims of electoral fraud and attempts to declare himself the winner.”As a result, she says, GOP scores are likely to sink further when 2020 data is released.Daniel Pemstein, a political scientist at North Dakota State University who helped develop V-Dem’s methodology, acknowledges that the project “seeks to measure things that are inherently difficult to observe.” There’s no universally accepted measure of “illiberalism,” for instance.In the absence of such a measure, the best alternative is to interview numerous experts on the topic to determine whether there is a consensus. V-Dem essentially systematizes this process, collecting and standardizing expert assessments on a massive scale.
“We combine ratings from a huge number of local experts on political parties, leveraging the pattern of agreement across experts to estimate real-world party characteristics,” Pemstein said.Lührmann notes the project has collected data on nearly 2,000 political parties.The drivers of the Republican Party’s drift toward authoritarianism are visible in the sub-indicators that make up the main index. Consider the demonization of political opponents: In 2006, V-Dem’s experts judged that GOP leaders “usually did not” resort to demonization and severe personal attacks in characterizing the Democratic Party.But the rise of the tea party was a turning point, research shows. “Angry protesters have frequently made claims ranging from proclaiming Obama’s ‘socialist’ intentions to making explicit Nazi comparisons to suggesting that the President is defying or even subverting the Constitution,” the Anti-Defamation League wrote at the time.By 2016, that sort of rhetoric had become the norm among GOP leaders.Encouraging violence has become alarmingly common. From the 1970s through roughly 2010, V-Dem’s experts note that both Republican and Democratic leaders consistently rejected the use of violence against political opponents. For Republicans, that began to change under Trump.During the 2016 campaign, Trump appeared to encourage violence against protesters at his rallies. Also during that campaign, Kentucky’s Republican governor suggested armed insurrection might be necessary in the event of a Hillary Clinton victory.As president, Trump told law enforcement officers not to worry about hurting suspects during arrests, and praised a Republican congressional candidate who was convicted of assault for body-slamming a reporter. A Wisconsin teen accused of fatally shooting two Black Lives Matter protesters and injuring a third has been defended by Trump, various conservative groups and at least one Republican lawmaker.
In September, Facebook removed a post by a Georgia congressional candidate for violating a policy against inciting violence. The candidate, Marjorie Taylor Greene, went on to win her election.Many GOP supporters have taken these messages to heart, with news reports documenting dozens of cases of violent crimes committed in Trump’s name. Survey data collected by a separate group of political scientists has shown that “willingness to support incivility, harassment, and violence are higher among President Trump’s supporters than among his opponents.”It’s tempting to write off these worrying trends as Trump-era aberrations that will subside after he leaves office — Biden predicted a post-Trump “epiphany” among the GOP, for instance. There are some in the Republican Party who are critical of Trump’s efforts to undermine the election. Former national security adviser John Bolton warned in a recent Washington Post op-ed that the party may suffer “permanent damage to its integrity and reputation because of President Trump’s post-election rampaging.”Two moderate Republican governors also criticized Trump’s efforts to stymie the transition.But V-Dem’s data underscores how much of the Republican Party has adopted the authoritarian beliefs and tactics of the president. Many of the GOP leaders going along with Trump’s baseless claims of voter fraud will still be in office after he leaves.“That leading Republicans are not willing to defend the electoral process shows that Trump is not the only GOP politician who has a problem with key democratic norms,” Lührmann said.Also consider reading this proving it's the Republican's fault the system is broken.https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/solutions-to-political-polarization-in-america/confronting-asymmetric-polarization/3966003B2517E22BF288796AC4985F34
I blame Alex Jones for the tinfoiling of the GOP.
>>728227>Missouri’s Roy Blunt said the president “may not have been defeated at all.”God damn it Blunt you where elected as a fucking joke because your last name is fucking doobie. You are becoming a bigger embarrassment to Missouri than McCaskill was and she was a joke among jokes. Blunt is literally the Missouri Trump, elected as a joke that turned into fucking disaster. Jesus Fucking Christ
>>728227Why must you leftists project so much? Why are you so dishonest? Why do you feel no shame when you lie? Is it your low test or low iq? Anyway, in reality, it's the left that's been busy with importing millions of hostile voters to sway elections and undermine the will of the citizenry. You've also been censoring opponents' speech online and directly cheating.
>>728231>Many GOP supporters have taken these messages to heart, with news reports documenting dozens of cases of violent crimes committed in Trump’s name.Imagine being this absurdly dishonest. You've literally killed numerous trump supporters in the last months. You operate a terrorist group with hundreds of thousands of leftist lunatics, and the average dem cheers them on.
>>728231>all these liesTruly pathetic. >muh bidenLiterally cheers for antifa and refers to them as "heroes." He lies about what they're doing in debates, but he obviously wholly supports them. >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbOU2fTg6cI>antifa are brave heroes and fuck liberty>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtIi8QR5Mzs>Joe Biden on Europeans becoming a minority - "That's a source of our strength."
>>728231>if you're not a rabid fucking marxist sociopath that's completely detatched from reality, you're no moderateYou're silly and retarded.
>>728299>>728302>>728306>>728310The actual data proves you wrong.
>>728235wtf now I really fucking love open borders, antifa, censorship and gun control, my fellow commie marxist Us rabid marxist loons are so moderate.
>>728311The actual data has shown extensive election cheating by your side, you fucking lying commie vermin.
>>728231>But V-Dem’s data underscores how much of the Republican Party has adopted the authoritarian beliefs and tactics of the president.Literally the entire leffist party is fully behind commie terrorism and censorship. Thsi is nothing but projection from sociopathic, shameless liars.
> Dems in 2016 - Russians hacked the election!> Dems in 2017 - Russians hacked the election!> Dems in 2018 - Russians hacked the election!> Dems in 2019 - Russians hacked the election!> Dems in 2020 - Nope, voting fraud is impossible!
Contards are the sorest losers. I didn't think anything would top the libs in 2016, but this is a whole new level of being unable to cope.
>>728311Don't bother, facts and data are anathema to righties.
>>728330When did dems accuse Russia of voter fraud?
>>728330Yeah, both parties cry foul when they don't get their way. It's just run of the mill american politics turned up a notch with cnn running around screaming that america is under siege for four years or that the entire gop is fascist.
>>728319You better head to the bunker before Biden's shock troops arrive to confiscate your guns and take you to the local re-education camp. Make sure to bring your daughters and nieces or they will be given over to Jamal's harem for birthing.
>>728378CNN did that because Trump literally couldn't stop lying and committing crimes.
If you respect democracy, you have to recount the votes and investigate fraud.You have no other moral choice in this.
>>728376When did the Left accept the legitimate mandate a democratic election that the right won?
>>728478When Hillary conceded.
>>728313Take your meds
>>728330>Dems in 2016 - Russians hacked the election!>> Dems in 2017 - Russians hacked the election!>> Dems in 2018 - Russians hacked the election!>> Dems in 2019 - Russians hacked the election!Proven true by a republican led senate investigation
>>728227B-But the right told me that the antifas were all crazy!!
>>728475If you respected democracy, you would accept that Trump lost both the electoral and popular votes because a majority of the country does not want him as president, as has been reflected in polls throughout his entire presidency and the fact that he has actively antagonized the left wing of the United States at every possible opportunity.
>>728330>Nope, voting fraud is impossibleIt's perfectly possible, and has most certainly occurred during this election and every election previous. However, it has not occurred in anywhere near as large a way as you rabid dogs claim. The results of the election will not change no matter how deeply you delude yourselves. Your orange retard trashfire of a president's days are numbered.
>>728330>> Dems in 2016 - Russians hacked the election!>> Dems in 2017 - Russians hacked the election!>> Dems in 2018 - Russians hacked the election!>> Dems in 2019 - Russians hacked the election!>> Dems in 2020 - Nope, mass voting fraud is virtually impossible and even if it was possible, it would be largely impractical compared to legal voter suppression.
>>728494No you. That's the dem platform nowadays, you leftist lunatic. I wish you'd realize that you're too dumb for politics. >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbOU2fTg6cI>antifa are brave heroes and fuck liberty>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtIi8QR5Mzs>Joe Biden on Europeans becoming a minority - "That's a source of our strength."https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2015/05/20/hate-speech>in 2015, half of dems wanted hate speech legislationYou can be sure that it's 75% now.
>>728537But it's not, and you're just lying, leftypol/reddit. >>728538See your stance on "hate speech."
>>728540>Everyone I disagree with is this particular group.As expected of a fascist.
>>728478When Hillary conceded?
>>728542When I see you cheer for joe "antifa are heroes and fuck liberty" I'm not gonna go along with you pretending you're something you're not.
Stupid Americans, why don't they stop resisting and just capitulate, don't they see that their time is over and we are moving into a new order now?
>>728545>Being anti fascist means you hate liberty LOL, imagine the logic pretzels you need to make to think this. Sad.
>>728547>being part of a commie terrorist group that target all wrongthinkers and people that don't want open borders with terrorism doesn't make you anti-libertyok That's dumb.
>>728547>loves censorhip >cheers for an explicitly commie group>b-but we're totally not totalitarians>just look at what we call ourselves>liberal>just, please, don't think too much about we actually support
>>728553>>728550>All this projecting.>Being against fascism means your commieLOL, cope
>>728550>anti fascism is communismIt is not
>>728553Censorship is their right under the 1st ammendment.
>>728558Antifa was founded in the soviet union as a commie organization. Its hatred of free speech and free assembly fits perfectly with leftist ideology.
>>728554>freedom-hating leftist that wants all guns and speech rights pretending to give a shit about libertyYou faggots are cancer. https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2015/05/20/hate-speech>in 2015, half of dems wanted hate speech legislationYou can be sure that it's 75% now.
>>728562Antifa is an ideal, not an organization
>>728227thats what faggot marxists look like.
>>728564>b-but the polls said!!!!!Heh
>>728564Hate speech inevitably leads to dangerous speech, which is not protected by the consitution and costs American lives. Maybe stop murdering everyone and destroying America, and you won't see this?
>>728317No it hasn’t.
>>728317If Democrats rigged the election, why haven't they won the Senate? Surely with all the mainstream media clamoring about the possibility of a blue trifecta to keep the citizens from questioning the victory and the fact that a Republican-controlled Senate would be able to direct investigations into the Democrat's cheating, the Democrats would have had all the motivation they need to go all the way with their supposed cheating.
>>728576>they were so confident they forgot/didn’t bother to rig the Senate races
>>728580I love it when fascists can't make up their mind about whether The Enemy is a weak, incompetent band that will be easily crushed or a giant, powerful conspiracy that threatens everyone.
>>728581It's textbook fascist propaganda
>>728581That's absolutely normal for fascists to assert. The ideology is inherent contradictory in its fundamental beliefs
>>728564No, you are the cancer. You claim 'Freedom' as your greatest value and yet in the name of Freedom you want to destroy Freedom itself.
>>728494I don't trust big pharma. I only take super male vitality.
>>728588but i thought white supremicists were neckbeard /pol/yps while being dangerous mass shooters and country stealers?
>>728660Ah yes you have facial hair below your jaw, that somehow means we forgot all the times your cult has threatened to execute 60% of this country because you got a little upset.
>>728660Well it's not like you need strong Aryan genetics to buy a gun and pull a trigger after getting your daily dose of echo chamber doublethink.
WashingtonPost isn't a valid news source
>>728703It's valid and you're on the wrong board.
>>728721Transexuals are not women
>>728227Say the people who in the 2016 election had "#NotMyPresident" trending on Twitter when Trump won
>>728737Which was itself a response to 8 years of 'not my president' far-Republican Butthurt over Obama.
>>728833>n... no u
>GrittyI still chuckle at the fact that /pol/ tried to claim him, and then lost to Antifa and left wing groups.
>>728732Okay, but WaPo is still a valid news source.
>>728833Politics is anternal seesaw.
>>728903>WaPo is still a valid news source.Not since Bezos bought it. Redpill>WaPo hates Trump because Trumps trade-war with China costs Bezos money
>>728227What an absolute joke. More useless "scholars" who can't contribute anything to humanity so they waste time with nonsense like this.So it's NOT the party that is against free speech, NOT the party that tells people they're only allowed to have certain opinions based on their skin color, NOT the party who was openly supporting thugs looting and rioting. It's actually the Republicans who were secretly fascist all along. Oh my.Liberalism trualy is a mental disease.
>>728940Well thank god Dr Phil is back! We have missed you Dr. Question for ya, how would you diagnose a group of people who cannot accept reality? Say that someone won an election in a landslide and that group refused to accept it, what would your expert diagnosis be Phil?
>>728947>Say that someone won an election in a landslide and that group refused to accept itoh ho ho the fucking irony of you saying this after the last 4 years.
>>728940>Liberalism trualy is a mental disease.They're just leftists, mate.
>>728721You should take your meds. >>728581Commies are individually weak and pathetic. You only attack in large groups or through subverting high-trust societies and institutions. You have both low iq and low test. Nothing gets you more upset than truth and the reality of things. You're dogmatic and collectivist, which are very feminine traits.
>>728568>please ignore what we say in polls about our beliefs>we're trying to seems like we're not rabid nutjobs>please focus on us calling ourselves "liberal," even tough we're hostile to all kinds of liberty, except the "right" to kill kids
>>728571>unironically supports censorship of truth because it hurts his feelings and goes against leftist dogma>absolutely zero regard for truthYeah, that's the leftist way. You operate on an asinine political binary of hate and non-hate. Everything that's not kosher gets the "hate" labal and is immediately dismissed. You're hysterical women>stop destroying the country and murdering people, says the commie terrorist supporter who's flooding the country with hostile foreigners kys
>>728940The mainstream democratic party makes token gestures to the loud liberals but that doesn't make them the same group. The closest you'll get to a commie in the Democrats is Sanders.
>>728593>you want to destroy freedomAren't you ashamed when you invert the truth like this? In reality, rightwingers value freedom, and leftists, every single one of you, don't. There's no freedom that you don't hate and want gone.
>>728957Nice attempt at not even answering why the Dems would rig the presidential election and not the congressional ones when Congress is where the bills have to go through.
>>728963>>>r/politics/ or >>>/leftypol/You're not fooling anyone, raider. Your rabid, reality-divorced nature is very obvious.
>>728964Righties value the freedom to be cunts to others and cry when they're told to stop being cunts.
>>728964>hail hydra>freedom!!!!Fucking retards actually believe that their literal authoritarian hero’s value “freedom”. It must really be hard to realize the leaders of your ideology are the opposite of what you claim to value. Hence the projection I suppose.
>>728967>hate speech can be reduced to just slursNo, that's a commie lie. It's important for societies to be able to say that the races aren't the same and stuff like that. Otherwise, you get open borders to africa, which is what you're doing to europe. >ignores how he was called out for bullshiting about rightists not valuing freedomYeah, you leftists don't have souls.
>>728968>>hail hydra>capeshit reference>there's no value in free speech>free speech supporters are literally hitlerlol You're so dumb that you're forgetting that you're supposed to be pretending to be a moderate. haha Didn't you just gaslight about it being ridiculous to think that "liberals" dislike free speech?
>>728969Are you drunk?
>>728968>l authoritarian hero’sCan you stop inverting the truth for fucking 5 seconds, you rabid commie nutjob? In reality, it's you leftists that love terrorism against political opponents, and it's you who are censoring people online. It's you who are hostile to free speech and gun rights. It's you who want to flood the country with hostile invaders and give them voting rights, to undermine the will of the original citizenry. Fucking hell. You're beyond shameless. How did you get like this? I honestly don't understand.
>>728973Are you? What was hard to understand there? Maybe you should try to re-read it.
>>728968>It must really be hard to realize the leaders of your ideology are the opposite of what you claim to value.>t. soiboy faggot that wants to live in a commie society yet calls himself liberal
>>728969>being polite to people is a commie mental illness that will lead to ruining the countryChrist, get help.
>>728971>Posting on a website that allows all speech.>able to say any kooky thing he wants to his neighbors >muh free speech!!!>libruls!!!!>reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeFace it, you don’t like that private companies can run their business as they see fit. Capitalism is what you wanted and capitalism is what you got. You aren’t railing against “the left”, you are railing against the market. Cope.
>>728975So you are drunk. Maybe you should sober up and read your comment.
>>728978>strawmanning this muchEveryone here can see that you're full of shit, retard. You unironically dont' have the brains to be here. >we're talking about being polite>that's why i want to censor people from saying that the races aren't the sameAgain, it's important to be able to say that open borders with africa isn't great. Otherwise, leftist nutjobs, like yourself, will flood the country with hostile foreigners.
>>728980>i totally love to censor wrongthink, but doesn't mean that i'm pro censorshipAnd you believe it too. Marxist loons. >pretending that 4chan doesn't censor hatespeechYou really need to kill yourself.
>>728980>commie's take on capitalismYou retards are too dumb for politics. How many times do you need to be told? Censorship isn't an inherent part of capitalism, and capitalism doesn't mean no regulation. You bloddy fucking moron. Stop repeating asinine slogans you've heard on reddit.
>>728983>the confederacy was filled with “leftists”Wew lad. History much?We really do need to spend more money on education.
>>728982Fuck off, you commie retard. It's not my fault that your'e too dumb for this. >hate speech can be reduced to just slursNo, that's a commie lie. It's important for societies to be able to say that the races aren't the same and stuff like that. Otherwise, you get open borders to africa, which is what you're doing to europe.>ignores how he was called out for bullshiting about rightists not valuing freedomYeah, you leftists don't have souls.
>>728986>I don’t like the free market>you are a marxistHahahahahahahahahahahahahaYou are one triggered snowflake.
>>728990I called you a marxist because you love censorship.>another strawmanAgain, censorship isn't inherent to captalism, and free markets doesn't mean no regualtion. Free speech is a critical ideal which should be protected from leftist nutjobs.
>all the leftists and their lies in this thread>half of them embrace censorship and their freedom-hate and half of them pretend that it's ridiculous to suggest that any of them dislike freedom
>>728994>capitalists don’t let me splurg out on their monetized property>therefore you are a Marxist!This is your brain on /pol/.
>>728999>capitalists somehow represent capitalismNo, you moron. Reread what I told you. censorship isn't inherent to captalism, and free markets doesn't mean no regualtion.
>>729001>capitalists don’t represent capitalismThis is maybe the most classic example of cope I have read this week. I visited /ptg/ as well so that quite an accomplishment anon.
>>728306Imagine qouting youtube. Fucking boomer. Go watch more conspiracy videos and jerk your dick to jesus.
>>729000>unironically linking conspiritard bullshit>>>/x/
>>728330Dems in 1854-1864>dont let the republicans free the slaves!>republicans free the slavesFast forward to 2020>republicans, why did we free the slaves?>dems, we freed the slaves!No one wants to remember that lincoln was a republican.
>>729003You're truly too stupid for this. Tell me: How are individuals and their actions representative of an economic ideology? They're abusing the system, but that doesn't mean that the system's inherently flawed. Fucking hell, you're so dumb. >>729004>ad-hominemIt's videos of biden talking. Why does the place where they're hosted matter?>boomer80 iq commie, please>conspiracy And here comes the reddit, marxist-tier buzzwords. You're not refuting anything with these. That's not how logic works, but you're too stupid for such things, huh?
>>729008>buzzwordsWhy can't any leftists actually think and reason? They're hysterical women, all the time. They operate on nothing but emotion.
>>728339>>728311If you want to start citing the "actual data" you then have to throw your "diversity is our strength" and "systemic racism" narratives out the window, because the data blasts both of those out of the water as well.
>>729008>how do capitalists represent capitalism>you are dumbHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>>729006The party dichotomy switched. Republicans also used to be for big government and more taxes when the slaves where freed and I don't see them doing that now.Jesus you are politically inept >>729008>people are abusing the system because it is broken>its not broken they just are not doing it rightAlso 99% of innovation comes from the public sector so I'm just going to head off that argument right now.>>729019What data is that? Site your sources.
>>729023Look up the definition of the word, brainlet. No one thinks of capitalist leaders as stand-ins or placeholders for the capitalist ideology. That doesn't even make sense.
>>729024Literally all it'd take to fix the situation are some anti-censorship legislation. >the only way to fix things is to let us commie nutjobs take charge and let us take all your money, speech rights and make everything worseno
>>729028What dose censorship have to do with the total disconnect between pay and productivity, the fact most fortune 500 companies run there businesses like ghost ships and just take out loans to buy back stocks and attract more investors, or the fact that the top 500 produce 14 trillion in gdp while only producing 1 trillion in profits while every other company have a 50% split between gdp and profit?Just lmao.
>>729030>this smug about his nonsense ideologyRe-take high school economics. Planned economics is incredibly terrible and inefficient. Even china has largely abandoned it.
>>729035>implyingWalmart, the biggest retailer in the world would beg to disagree. They treat there stores like planned economies and it had made them some of the richest people in the god damn world. Also good job addressing exactly 0 points I made and posting none yourself.Just lmao again
Ya been crying about rigged elections for 4 years let the courts settle this your opinions are daft
>>728962It's the same on the right. You might not see it because of bias but I'm an actual centrist. Both sides are really dumb and prop up their fringe to get votes and support. Most right winged people are not totalitarian supporting, insanity driven lunatics. They are mostly normal people. Just like most left people are rioting and looting, insanity driven lunatics. They are mostly normal people. This board really needs to get this concept down.
>>729041Nobody said the vote totals were rigged you moron. They said the Russians helped Trump win, which they did.
>>729038>They treat there stores like planned economies and it had made them some of the richest people in the god damn world.I laughed aloud when I read this. You are economically illiterate.
>>729042>Most right winged people are not totalitarian supporting, insanity driven lunatics. They are mostly normal people. Just like most left people are rioting and looting, insanity driven lunatics. They are mostly normal people. This board really needs to get this concept down.ThisWe should round up the extremists and force them to fight American gladiator style to get verbal bennies from there ideliolog. Televise it and it would be part one of how we save network tv.The second part would be forcing Biden and trump to be co-presidents and televising that as well. Absolutely nothing would get done but at least we the people might get a kick outta it.
>>729054>The second part would be forcing Biden and trump to be co-presidents and televising that as well. Absolutely nothing would get done but at least we the people might get a kick outta it.Thats how it used to work.
>>729051https://jacobinmag.com/2019/03/economic-planning-walmart-democracy-socialismhttps://mondediplo.com/2020/03/12walmarthttps://mises.org/library/planned-economy-and-economic-planning-what-peoples-republic-walmart-got-wrong-about-natureYou where saying?
>>729057>those sources Oh lawd I am a laffin "yeah bro, responding to stimuli from consumers at one end and suppliers at the other is totally the same as taking control of both production and consumption"
>>729061>>729061>no comebackPost anything that says planned economies don't work that had sources cited and maybe you might have a leg to stand on.I hope you know Amazon uses planned economic strategies as well. Also still waiting on how censorship is what is wrong with capitalism. Seriously I want to know what deranged though process broght you to this conclusion
>>729071>>no comebackIts right there in the post you are responding to, friend. >Amazon uses planned economic strategies as well. "yeah bro, economic planning is totally the same as a planned economy" its a kek a second with you
>>729072>no sources cited, just trust me bro!Lmao try again.Also still waiting on why you think censorship is what is wrong with capitalism. That right there discredits anything you say in faith till you prove that point.
>>728960>Fascist resorting the violent rhetoric again and declaring he's a threat to America.Typical/
>>729080>violent rhetoricSpeech isn't violence, you stupid commie. >called you hysterical>you prove me pointok
>>729054>Just like most left people are rioting and looting, insanity driven lunatics. They are mostly normal people.This is just wrong. If you support biden and dems, you're very much supporting very far-left policies. You fucking dumbass faux-centrists, come out of the closet as leftists.
>>729082>biden is far leftO I am laffen. I wish he was far left but he is center right. The farthest left you can get with currently elected officials is Bernie and AOC, and they are center left.What are you on?
>>729089>The farthest left you can get with currently elected officials is BernieBernie and his supporters are right wing nazis, at least that is what many leftists kept saying
>>729089You're just too nuts. Biden's on record with calling antifa-heroes, wanting to ban handguns, wanting amnesty for every invader, no ice, no detention center, no immigration enforcement, massively increased immigration, wanting to censor everything goes against leftist dogma online, etc, etc. This isn't moderate or rightwing. The center isn't right next to stalin.
>>729126>>729089>look at these cattle squabbling Trump was the first President since Reagan who has actually given a shit (I would add Carter too). Biden is just another corpratist who will rile you up over some bullshit wedge issues and have Red team and Blue team at each others throats while he sells whats left of the American dream to china. Many such cases >Obama>Bush>Clinton >Bush Fuck at this rate I wouldn't even mind another LBJ.
>>729131>please don't listen to what us dems say and do>please ignore all our politics>we call ourselves "liberal," so we must be moderate, right? >that's how it works
>>729126>Biden's on record with calling antifa-heroes, wanting to ban handguns, wanting amnesty for every invader, no ice, no detention center, no immigration enforcement, massively increased immigration, wanting to censor everything goes against leftist dogma online, etc, etc.Where do you people get this shit from?
>>729089How do you get this braidead and deranged? I honestly don't understand. What the fuck is wrong with you?>>729071You stupid fucking marxist dipshit, again, take high school economic classes. Your top-down approach is not only horribly inefficient, it kills all incentive to excel.
>>729137His own words, both from his campaign videos and debates. Maybe you should learn the basics before you talk about politics, huh?Look up the dem debates on youtube. He spelled out his stance on immigration there. And, dipshit, you leftist dems have litterally imported tens of millions of hostile foreigners these last few decades and celebrate "diversity." No one's buying you pretending to be against open borders. >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbOU2fTg6cI [Embed]>antifa are brave heroes and fuck liberty>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtIi8QR5Mzs [Embed]>Joe Biden on Europeans becoming a minority - "That's a source of our strength."
>>729138>high school economic classesHere's some. >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbOU2fTg6cI [Embed]>antifa are brave heroes and fuck liberty>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtIi8QR5Mzs [Embed]>Joe Biden on Europeans becoming a minority - "That's a source of our strength."Educate yourselves, deranged leftist traitors.
>>729142Oops. Here:https://www.khanacademy.org/economics-finance-domain/macroeconomics/macro-basic-economics-concepts>>729137>>729140His extremely anti-2nd amendment agenda is on his site. Well, he doesn't mention his documented hostility to handguns there. Guess he's shy about it.
>>729142>spams the same alt-media shit he was yesterdayIt's like you don't want people to believe you at all.
>>729147They're literally uncut youtube videos with biden talking. Blow a hole in your head, commie faggot.>alt-mediaIf they're not leftists in msm, they're a hell of a lot more honest and reputable. You jewish slaves are beyond pathetic.
>>729147>the commie thinks he's in touch with sane american peopleYou're a joke, dude.
>>729137Retards like you are why america is almost overrun with hostile brown and black people, hate speech laws are being introduced everywhere, unconstitutional red flag laws are the law in every blue state, etcYou're too dumb for politics, reddit.
>>729153Go back, leftypol or reddit. No one wants you rabid retards here.
>>728227How does anyone with more than half a brain take this shit seriously? Pravda would blush over an article like that. I just can't believe that there are leftists with an iq above 80. It seems completely impossible.
Imagine being so far gone that you side with jewish supremacists over white people who just want to preserve america and its freedoms. I have a hard time to think of leftist whites as people.
>>729137>wanting amnesty for every invaderHe said this on twitter.
>>729042>Just like most left people are rioting and looting, insanity driven lunatics. They are mostly normal people.Leftists cheer for reducing freedom and flooding the country with invaders. They have the same ideals as stalinist antifa.https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2015/05/20/hate-speech>in 2015, half of dems wanted hate speech legislationYou can be sure that it's 75% now.
>>729158Trump did more for Israel than Obama did or what Biden wants to do.
>>729158Jews are white.
Remember back when /pol/ supported trump because he was racist and said funny things and triggered the libs. And now they just unironically hate democracy and free elections because their candidate lost. Fascism is a hell of a drug when you're uneducated.
>>729171Yeah thats it! Totally the only explanation!
>>729162>all that matters in american politics is israel>please ignore us voting for extremely anti-white politics and with 80-90% of american jewry
>>729171>And now they just unironically hate democracyIt's not the right that has imported tens of millions of voters for their side and undermined the will of the orignal electorate. It's not the right that bans all leftist speech online. It's not the right which has cheated in this election. You're so full of it.
>>729176>It's not the right that bans all leftist speech onlinethat bans opponents' speech online*
>>729165stop spamming, redd-it raider. And go back.
>>729176>It's not the right that has imported tens of millions of voters for their side and undermined the will of the orignal electorate>It's not the right which has cheated in this electionplease provide a single source showing that voter fraud happened in this election to the point where it would alter the outcome
>>729176>he thinks the left is the one importing illegals and the right doesn't do it tooyou are a fucking retard
>>729197The right doesn't import illegals. Their method of cheating the ballot box is through the massive electoral disenfranchisement of legitimate American citizens in the states they control.
>>728940>So it's NOT the party that is against free speechHow are democrats against free speech?
>>729197Dishonest, 80 iq commie faggot, the difference between the right and left on this is in the views of the average voter. Leftists love white replacement and diversity more than anything, and, conversely, rightwingers main political priority is to stop the invasion of hostile foreigners. Trump also massively limited immigration and got a long way on building a wall. Biden, as is typical of leftists, wants completely open borders. There's a very stark difference between the sides, you faggoty commie fucktard.
>>729255You all cheer for antifa and the tech giants' censorship. Biden carried water for your terrorist group and called them heroes, and you couldn't get enough of it. Antifa's politics are dem politics. You want hate speech legislation and all of your oppnents silenced. In all matters, you hate freedom with a passion. Biden actually ran on banning handguns.https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2015/05/20/hate-speech>in 2015, half of dems wanted hate speech legislationYou can be sure that it's 75% now.
>>729282>the polls said!!!!!Heh
>>729285>don't listen to what we say we want>please ignore our obvious politics>please ignore that wherever we take charge, we ban dissent>i-i'm trying to appear moderateretard
The cope is getting weirder on this board.Well, I take heart in so many extremists being intolerable to normal folks. There's no future for the self-alienated but a dismal slide into obscurity
>>729290>extremistThere's another leftist buzzword. You overly emotional woman, this isn't how logic works. Your'e not refuting anything with your cheap demagoguery. And there's very much nothing wrong with not liking you leftists terrorist supporters who hate freedom and whites. You're rabid lunatics who think you're moderate and sane. None of you have an iq over 90, and you all think you're superior thinkers. None of you have any respect for truth or reason, yet you keep repeating that you have facts on your side. You're too pathetic and dumb for politics. I wish you could see that.
>>729290>it's weird to pay attention to what leftists are like>america is just like r/politics or my antifa hangoutYou're a joke.
>>729295>>729298C O P E
>>729286>words in greenAnd back to /pol/ you go!
>>729295This entire post is projection
>>729301>reddit marxist is still hereGo back, you subhuman retard. You'll never amount to anything, you know. >>729302>the ubiquitous commie tactic of "no u" and projectionInfinitely shameless, huh? There's nothing you won't lie about, is there? No moral standards at all, right? How much would a choosen one have to dangle in front of you for you to hurt your mother and push her into traffic? Ten bucks?
>>729295Yeah, call them retards and emotional women, that'll make 'em see reason for sure.Not him, but frankly, I'm on your side in that Harris scares me, not in what she can do (she's as lame duck as Biden), but in what she represents, being a supporter of the left's version of "racial realism", which is at least as toxic as the right's. Biden maybe a moderate through and through, but I don't think he has the fire left in him to keep his party in check. Kind of a a good cop, bad cop situation.On the other hand, four years of a weak lame duck Democrat is likely going to be easier on the nation that four more years of, yes, "extremist" Trump, who galvanizes and inspires extremists on both sides of the aisle like no one else.Though I would have loved to see him pull off declaring both Antifa and the KKK terrorist organizations, as he was proposing. The cynic in me sees that, coupled with the $500 billion for black businesses, as the pathetic pandering effort it was, but by inner extreme centrist loves the idea, even if my inner slippery slope anti-authoritarian is still quite wary.
>>729308>that'll make 'em see reason for sure.They're clearly lost causes. As I've said, they don't give a shit about being wrong and self-destructive. They're wholly owned by their leftist masters. >you're an extremist if you don't like the country being flooded with hostile foreignersOh, you're another leftist. If you try to look beyond the sophistry, what's wrong about any of the rightwing agenda? What's so terrible about valuing speech and gun rights and preserving a white majority?
>>729308>KKK terrorist organizationsDoesn't even exist. >my inner anti-authoritarian>biden is preferable to trumpThis makes little sense. As I've repeated many times, one side values freedom and one doesn't. You seem to have gotten them mixed up.
>>729311>They're clearly lost causes. As I've said, they don't give a shit about being wrong and self-destructive. They're wholly owned by their leftist masters.Might want to try to take into account, that the GOP and Democrats hold less than two thirds of the nation between the two of them... Meaning about half of the leftists you complain about, aren't even registered democrats.Their respective media machines work very hard to make us forget this, and provide the illusion that everyone is irreparably on one side of the fence or the other - when pretty much only a handful of lunatics and career politicians are.>>729311>you're an extremist if you don't like the country being flooded with hostile foreignersDidn't say that - but building a wall is only useful at generating salt. You wanna do something about it - do like 2006 Biden, who built 700 miles of that wall, suggested, and go after the employers (not that 2020 Biden would ever be allowed to say that).>What's so terrible about valuing speech and gun rights and preserving a white majority?Free speech is exactly what I'm pointing to in my critique of Harris - though gun rights aren't going anywhere, despite Biden's rhetoric, with practically whole federal judiciary being Trump appointees now - on top of Scalia, while he kinda killed the defense against tyranny end, set the self-defense aspect in stone for the next 20-40 years.Again, lame duck and a no-fire weak character to built. McConnel could make him build that wall, just to get his cabinet appointed. Harris being accepted as mainstream, however, is something communication companies will take note of, and McConnel can't do dick about what private enterprise may decide to do as a result.White majority, however, is doomed. Best you can do is delay the inevitable, and hope the future US integrates the best of founding race's ideology. Showing the worst of it, however, doesn't help its cause, and provides more fuel to the likes of Harris.
>>729276Yes anon, I'm sure Pedro who walked 100 miles to work at a Mcdonalds for below minimum wage is hostile and wants to destroy the nation.
>>729306Since you are obviously passionate about this can you give any examples of phrases you say that you are afraid you won't be able to say in the future if your alleged slippery slope of the left blocking hate speech takes place?
>>729314The KKK most certainly exists, centralized hierarchy, offices and all. Heck, they still organize parades and own a sizable building near me. Antifa is a bit more debatable, but there are some loose organizing factors, and it certainly exists as a brand. Fuck em both. We don't need that shit. Granted, I'd say the same about BLM, ever since they decided "all lives matters" is an epithet, but there's always risk of drawing the circle of acceptability too small.>This makes little sense. As I've repeated many times, one side values freedom and one doesn't. You seem to have gotten them mixed up.Find me a Democrat who doesn't at least think he values freedom, and doesn't say much the same of the Republicans, with their religious right governing the bedroom and all. Both parties value freedom, they just have different ideas as to the details, and that's sadly where all the demons and devils lie.
>>729320The only one who is hostile and destroying the nation are the selfish capitalist pigs who fired their own white workers so they could hire cheap illegal labor.
>>728227>washingtonpostStopped reading.They and the NYT bedfellows of propaganda.
>>729330>OnLy ZeRoHeDgE iZ nEwS^how to spot a retard
>>729342Who mentioned Zero Hedge? Oh wait, you... You did.Fuck head.
>>729352>breightbart is also acceptable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>I is the smart!^the always expose themselves
>>729359Who mentioned Breitbart?Once again, you.Fuck headed fuck head.
>>729330Right. Pray tell, which media outlets have had their veracity ordained to you by the holy one himself?
>>729319If I were a conspiracy monger, I'd say the Dems pushed Biden for electability but will assassinate him to put Harris in the President's chair. But I'm not a conspiracy monger, so I'm only going to imply it instead of saying it.
>>729427Think you severely overestimate how much the Democrats like Harris - or well, the new-school Dems in general.Granted, I could say the same of Trump, the tea party, and the old guard Republicans.Really, if pushing racism wasn't so effective at galvanizing, you never would have heard of either of them. (Well, outside of The Apprentice.)
>>728550>You can't be against fascism! That's communism!
>>729577>muh RACISM!Seriously? You cant for a second consider that there could by any other possible reasons for the rise of right-wing populism (Trump, Tea Party). FFS Trump just got the biggest haul of the non-white vote of any Republican in 60 years...
>>729925Trump is well-known to be racist.
>>729930I see dialogue or insight are not things you are interested in.
>>729932Tell me, why has Trump not apologized for calling for the death penalty for the Central Park Five despite them being exonerated?
>>729925>Seriously? You cant for a second consider that there could by any other possible reasons for the rise of right-wing populism (Trump, Tea Party).Yeah, there's other things going on, but it's the fuel being used for the fire by both parties at the moment. The cycle feeds upon itself like a confused snake, but it's a fire too tempting for any political party not to use, and it makes for an irresistible distraction.
>All news outlets are bad>Biden is a far leftist>You're a communist if you understand the paradox of freedom>Russian hoaxLol this thread is proving the article before my eyes.
>>729383>inferring I claimed I was the Holy OneClearly you're still a fuckhead.Okay if I have to spell it out here for you. 6 Media corporations in the US are responsible for the reach of over 90% of broadcasting. As recently as 1983 that was 50 corporations. The story is the same in Britain, 3 corporations. The same in most EU states.It's not complicated - these corporations have significant shareholders. Directors. Founders. CEOs. Political allegiances. All of them. Each one.Some are worse than others (The WaPo, NYT, and the ironically titled "Independent", described as Britain's first 'viewspaper').The obvious answer, which has escaped your infantile intellect, is that you should read as many as you can, *INCLUDING THOSE YOU DISAGREE WITH* and thereafter attempt to draw your conclusions based on the balance of evidence.But no, you'll be a fuck head and seek out confirmation bias like the double digit IQ simp that you are.
>>729330Keep coping fascist.
>>730018>1983It’s almost like shit tier Republican wealth policies allowed giant Corporatists to seize and consolidate power. What a shock. Then the media that points this out to you (WaPo, NYT) is just the worst media ever in your pee brain. What a age we live in with this level of mass voter retardation.
>>730204Fascists are the good guys, we are everywhere, and I'm actively gathering them together, cry some more faggot 1488
>>728565And yet everyone who disagrees with you is a "nazi-fascist-bigot-clerical-reactionist-enemy of the people", aren't they?
>>731590If they disagree with me about whether or not the Holocaust happened, whether the Jews secretly control the media and and whether We Must Secure The Existence Of Our People And a Future For White Children, then yes, they are absolutely nazis.They are nazis even if they are too young to have participated in the Beer Hall putsch! Yes, it's possible!
>>729126>The center isn't right next to stalin.Except for gun control literally none of the policies you listed are something Stalin supported.
>>728227>A candidate who can't get 20 people to his rallies, who forgot to campaign, who fall asleep when he is speaking and who have the lowest enthusiasm level in all the history of American politic get more vote than Obama>Glitches and typo everywhere>All indicators of frauds are in the red>Some people ask for an audit just to be sure>It will either show Biden indeed won the election and Trump would have nothing more to say, or save democracy>A win in both case>The democrats refuse>Says it would endanger democracyPottery.
>>731647>not only no evidence of fraud but the opposite5 level copieum addict. You lost anon. Time to move past denial.
>>731647So much delicious cope.
>>732973You lost, even after all of Trump's attempts to cheat.
>>731654>>732649>no evidence>literal videos of niggers throwing away votes>this is why lynching was a good thing
>>734104Damn, sure wish the judges throwing out all these retarded cases looked at those videos. So weird. Wonder why Trump's team ain't bringing them up.
>>728227>People voted for BidenI'm gonna press X to doubt, here.
>>734104If it was evidence trump's lawyers would have used it to have a real case and not just affidavits. But they didn't do that because it isn't that.Literally a video of the trash being taken out. Haven't watched it, don't need to. If this was a thing it would have shown up in court already.
>>734119When the alternative is a corrupt, racist fascist, (Aka Trump) Biden is better choice.
>>734191>a corrupt, racist fascistSo, Biden?
>>734104>/pol/ppet still going with his talking points after it was clearly stated to be Trump.Expected.
>>734104Where are these videos and why haven't Trump's lawyers showed them to the judges who are throwing out their frivolous lawsuits for lack of proof?
>>731647Please continue to post. The spot price on salt is falling and we need all the tears we can get.
>>728227>refusal to accept democracythey're using democratic means as far as i understand, but it does prove they're just like democrats, hungry for power. difference is, unlike in 2016, they have a chance of overturning the election results.
>>734260Rudy and his band of incompetents don’t have a prayer of overturning the election results.
>>728475If you respect democracy, you would have to provide proof that there is wide spread voter fraud. You can't start investigating fraud until you have any empirical evidence that it's actually happening in unusually high numbers, otherwise you're wasting time and money for a goose chase.
>>731590>Anon uses Deflect!>It hurt itself in its confusion!
I hope you all will remember this as the year republicans attempted a pitiful soft coup and tell everyone who wasnt around to see it happen that spineless republicans let a narcissistic moron try to turn this country into a dictatorship
Defund Israel and jail every jew in the American government for dual loyalty.
>>734536>confederates tried to sell the country to europe just so they could win the war>fast forward to 2020 and now republicans are trying to turn this country into a dictatorship because they cant accept that they lost an electionYeah just watching this retardation play out and the extreme lack of self awareness is amazing
>>729044And how did they "help Trump win"? Posting things on Facebook? Ha! And let's not even get into the Vault 7 hacking tools, you mindless sheep, shill or whatever you are.
>>734620Posting up Hillary's e-mails didn't help (though the FBI reopening the investigation just before election day was on us, likely wouldn't have happened otherwise). And given the scale of the social media campaign (and the new effectiveness of social media), it shouldn't be dismissed... Though it is par for the course. Russia has had a hard on for fucking with our politics for over a century now. They just had some opportunities that made it a little more effective recently.Granted, I doubt Hillary would have won even without the Russian interference - and I'm really surprised she did as well as she did. However, she got the popular vote, and ya thus really shouldn't be surprised to see Trump lose in 2020, with 250K+ Americans dead and all.
>>728227>Research by a team of international scholarsoy vey, its anodda shoah
>>728313Biden isn’t any of those things you retard.
>>734740His supporters sure are
>>734767>if I make shit up and whine that its true, that MAKES it truetrumptards in a nutshell right here
>>734769That's Biden in a nutshellHe graduated at the top of his class after all, even though he was one of the worst students in his class
>>728330kek, this.Four years of blaming Russia but once the shoe is on the other foot they act like the biggest fags.
>>735137>Point out hypocrisy>No, you can't!
>>735138Oh the irony
>>735142There was no hypocrisy
>>735144What they said about trumptards applies to Biden, but they acted all buttblasted about it being pointed out
>>735144>Makes up a claim that someone else is making something upThat's hypocrisy in a nutshell
>>735145Nope>>735148Not an argument
>>729933Because Trump will never admit when he is wrong about anything, simple as that