>>1170814
>texas has shit for education funding
>black and hispanic schools get the least money
This isn't surprising or news.

>>1170814
>Poor schools produce poor students
Wow. News.

we don't need no education
we don't need no self-control

>>1170815
Nice fan fiction.

>>1170826
>>1170815
you do realize with a nation wide teacher shortage no one is going to work in black or hispanic schools? It isn't even completely about the money. I teach physical science and I know a lot of black/hispanic schools would give me a signing bonus and put me higher on the salary guide than I currently am at the district I am because they are desperate. No one wants to work at those schools because there is too much government interference resulting in too much paperwork and pointless bullshit PD and because the students act like feral animals and assault teachers.

>>1170945
What does any of this have to do with any of the posts you quoted?

>>1170815
>purely economic factors, goy

never gets old

>>1170949
they are blaming the school being shit on lack of funds/being poor. That isn't why the schools are a shit hole. The schools are shitty because the kids act like shitheads and generally receive no consequences for it due to obongo/brandon era policies that reduce punishment for black and hispanic boys because giving them consequences for their actions is racist.
Black teachers specifically get recruited by schools like this and they quit teaching within 3 years at way higher rate than white teachers do because black parents are so fucking shitty in the USA. I don't even blame the hispanics because my school has a big hispanic pop, but the vast majority of hispanic kids never give me trouble

>>1170956
>they are blaming the school being shit on lack of funds/being poor. That isn't why the schools are a shit hole
Shitty poor schools are shitty because they're in shitty poor neighborhoods. Its exactly why they're shit holes.

>The schools are shitty because the kids act like shitheads and generally receive no consequences for it due to obongo/brandon era policies that reduce punishment for black and hispanic boys because giving them consequences for their actions is racist.
Oh shit. Hey there schizo-poster. I didn't recognize your writing at first. Have a good day.

>>1170959
>Shitty poor schools are shitty because they're in shitty poor neighborhoods. Its exactly why they're shit holes.
they get funding from the state and often pay at or over suburbs with betters schools. They are also much more state controlled. Its because the kids are shitheads so no one wants to work there
>Oh shit. Hey there schizo-poster. I didn't recognize your writing at first. Have a good day.
amazing how you have to run and hide when confronted with the objective fact that urban schools have teacher shortages because the kids act like shitheads because the parents are shitheads

>>1170960
>amazing how you have to run and hide
No I just don't want to talk to you. You're incredibly mentally ill and every conversation I have with you ends up being a colossal waste of time because you're incapable of engaging with reality. I'll speak to literally anybody else about this issue.

>>1170966
I mean its not a race thing but he's not wrong, parents dump their kids on teachers to babysit. not educate them and rather than push back on dumbass parents, school admins are habitually cowards of the lowest sort who punish student and teacher alike to appease one rando parent screeching.

its a culture problem. and not with the blacks/hispanics. its with the cons who run that state into the ground and complain that their ship of state is constantly scraping on the rocks others warned them were ahead.

>>1170953
Republicans in Texas have been trying to get rid of public schools by defunding them for over 40 years now.
https://texasgop.org/school-choice/

>>1170959
>Shitty poor schools are shitty because they're in shitty poor neighborhoods. Its exactly why they're shit holes.
CPS is a great exception to the rule. They spend almost $30,000 per student, have shitty results, and somehow managed to misplace about a third of the student body that's supposed to be in their schools, all while racking up 725 sexual misconduct investigations in the past 5 years.

>>1170969
Or the kids are just retarded. Sad but true

>>1170969
>I mean its not a race thing but he's not wrong
Well, he is wrong. Shitty schools are not shitty because the students are shitty. Shitty schools are in shitty neighborhoods with shitty students because the whole environment is geared that way. Additionally, if he were right, then improvements in things like after school programs and one on one counseling would have no impact on black/hispanic students. They do. Every time we try a program like this students perform exponentially better.

>its a culture problem. and not with the blacks/hispanics
Yeah, no shit. Poor parents make shitty parents. They get in trouble living in shitty neighborhoods and abandon their children to go to prison. They have the least resources to help their kids. They spend the least time with their kids because of work schedules. They were likely raised by shitty poor parents therefore have no idea how to not be a shitty poor parents. Their nutrition is bad, they have no ability to help their kids with their homework because they went to a shitty school and are also uneducated. Its a massively compounding problem that starts at a foundational level.

>>1170970
It's a national thing. That was Betsy DeVos's goal during the Trump administration.

>>1170970
Based. Public schools should be shut down.

>>1170966
you get blow the fuck out every time you are in a thread here and then accuse everyone who blows you the fuck out of being mentally ill because you don't have the intellectual capacity or facts behind you to articulate your argument
>>1170969
it has nothing to do with cons. this shit happens in democrat run towns and is due to NCLB and obongo/brandon additions to the program
>>1170979
>Well, he is wrong. Shitty schools are not shitty because the students are shitty. Shitty schools are in shitty neighborhoods with shitty students because the whole environment is geared that way. Additionally, if he were right, then improvements in things like after school programs and one on one counseling would have no impact on black/hispanic students. They do. Every time we try a program like this students perform exponentially better.
No one wants to work those fucking jobs because the kids are shitheads, that is the issue. No one wants a chair thrown at them by a kid whose only consequence will be the principle giving him a lollipop.
Also its fucked to make normal people who are now in poverty due to bidenflaton pay for these programs in shithole towns that have shitty parents.
>Yeah, no shit. Poor parents make shitty parents.
thats the issue. african American culture celebrates shitty parents and celebrates being a shitty kid when in school.

>>1170982
what a fucking retarded post. you should kill yourself

>>1170981
Republicans want them to fail.

>>1170982
we're reaching levels of bad faith I didn't think were possible in this post. Neck yourself, retard.
It's tied in with redlining, and heavy metal pollution, and schools being funded by property taxes. It's a lot of things all lumped together that are hard to disentangle. What is absolutely retarded when someone like you just says
>hurr durr it's becasue their black so theys gots a bone in theyre brain that maeks em dumb

>>1170815
This. That's why the blackest, wokest high schools in blue states like Baltimore, Philadelphia, Detroit, and Oakland are all so successful!
(leftists unironically believe this)
>>1170945
>>1170924
>>1170826
many districts even give bonuses for working in the poorest schools in Democrat communities. Leftist schools pay their teachers MORE money yet still suck.

>>1171024
>many districts even give bonuses for working in the poorest schools in Democrat communities. Leftist schools pay their teachers MORE money yet still suck.
>source: his ass
teaching is literally run on "if you love teaching you should be willing to do this for free, but we're legally require to pay you."

>>1171024
You're pretending like Republicans in Texas want public schools to succeed. They don't. They want to privatize everything so their crony buddies can get rich.

>>1171053
Yeah, pretty much this. In fact Trump already put in most of his cronies after firing the guy responsible for education.

>>1170814
>According to the school district, there will be a mandatory senior parent meeting on Wednesday night
Bet nobody showed up save for the parents of the 5 kids who are graduating and maybe 5-10 more

>>1171066
Fucking kek anon I love this meme

>>1171084
One guy can't force a meme.

>>1171001
again, you resort to insults because you have no argument, samefag.
>>1171008
You have no experience on the matter. You don't know what you are talking about. There is a reason specifically urban schools are the ones facing the teacher shortage. But I get you, you fucking hate teachers so bad you want teachers to be forced at gun point to work in blacks schools and to be assaulted and have chairs thrown at their heads and have the kids face no consequences because "that's white supremacism" and to force childless impoverished white millennials and zoomers into even more poverty by taxing them to hell for muh programs at black schools
>>1171024
>many districts even give bonuses for working in the poorest schools in Democrat communities. Leftist schools pay their teachers MORE money yet still suck.
this is true
>>1171034
I could literally go to one of the urban schools near me and tell them I want $10k more and they would give me it. When I send out my applications for schools I get called back by 9 am the next morning. Me and my coworkers discuss this all the time how the urban districts will pay more but no one wants to do that shit because the kids will be evil shitheads.

>>1171086
Shut up retard

>>1171122
Are you outraged?

>>1171066
Trump has nothing to do with how Texas divides up education money.

>>1171108
>Pretending to be a teacher
You are a fucking loser. Stop fucking lying, okay

>>1171108
>this larp
Lmao

>>1171004
They've already failed. No reason to piss away good money on nogs and beans that refuse to learn.

>>1171149
>>1171157
again, you don't have an argument samefag. You just hate teachers and want to force them at gun point into unsafe environments to they get injured or killed

>>1170981
>Based. Public schools should be shut down.
>School bus system repurposed to tour private schools
>Private schools forced to accept Black and brown students in their area by voucher
>Legendary bitchfits ensue from staff and parents who set those facilities up specifically to keep the riffraff out
You don't want public schools to be shut down. You want voucher programs that favor white kids that at least have enough resources that parents could get them out to private schools so all the Black and brown kids get left in the further defunded public schools to be turned into braindead automatons with what limited resources the state can scrounge up.

Actually destroying public schools is the dog catching the car scenario. The only thing your side gets out of that is the ability to indoctrinate Black and brown kids into social conservatism, but since exposure to other races statistically reduces racial animus and that's the main thing you want to indoctrinate into people, that's still a net loss.

Only ultraconservative nutbags that are against teaching evolution and the like actually get anything out of public schools being destroyed.

>>1171283
>Only ultraconservative nutbags that are against teaching evolution and the like actually get anything out of public schools being destroyed.
i think at this point republicans are simply sabotaging america because their leaders are on foreign payrolls, so all the usual deliberation on motive is moot

>>1170826
>Never heard of the kansas city desegregation experiment
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1996-03-27-me-51685-story.html
https://thehill.com/opinion/education/428746-more-money-for-schools-doesnt-always-mean-better-outcomes-for-kids/
https://www.educationnext.org/the-massive-esser-experiment-heres-what-were-learning/

>>1171283
people send their kids to private school so they can escape the violence black kids do in school. That is why NYC has the specialty public high school program, so smart kids can escape black violence. In urban districts you often see nice, but not academically capable, students struggle in honors and AP classes just so the kids can be segregated out of the normal classes so they don't have to face black violence and disruptions

>>1170956
Its not about race. Its about labeled counties and broken homes and generational abuse and drugs

>>1171323
I never said it was about race. All of those things you are bitching about are caused by african American culture. african American culture is evil and toxic. Why do you think there are so many piece of media like boyz n the hood that depict african American culture as evil and toxic and preach against it

>>1171325
>it's not about race
>african american culture is evil
pick one

>>1171326
culture isn't biological

>>1171325
>African american culture is evil
there wouldn't be african american culture without precedent american or "white" culture to establish it. so what does that make white people

>>1171322
>people send their kids to private school so they can escape the violence black kids do in school.
Yeah, like I said, you don't want public schools to be shut down.

Unless you're an insane fuckwit that thinks the government's just going to let kids go without education instead of making private schools take them.

>>1171329
I'm not the one advocating to end public schools. I am pretty sure the ones pushing for the "school choice" shit are just anti teachers' union/want to be able to live in a city and have segregation. Where as right now school segregation is done by making it so every town has their own school district so they don't need to abide by brown v board of ed because you can't force busing over district lines
>>1171328
african American culture was invented by african Americans. That is racist of you to call blacks culture thieves and say whites invented black culture

>>1171330
why would a culture that had no rights and no legal free will or humanity, overseen by white people for hundreds of years, not have been influenced greatly by such an experience. white people didn't "invent" african american culture, but it wouldn't have existed as it does now if white people didn't enslave them

>>1171332
the civil war ended like 160 years ago. No one currently alive was a slave in antebellum America. Pretty racist of you to say blacks can't develop their own culture in 160 years (to say nothing of the culture they had before then)

>>1171326
Black Americans who reject black culture are successful though. So it's the culture not the race.

>>1171337
>Pretty racist of you to say blacks can't develop their own culture in 160 years (to say nothing of the culture they had before then)
They didn't. To the contrary, they said the opposite.

Also slaves were subject to forced cultural erasure just like ALL minorities under colonialism.

>>1171343
>Black Americans who reject black culture are successful though.
How could you possibly say that's true with the amount of millionaire and billionaire gangster rappers, athletes and musicians that became successful purely on selling black culture? Even if that were true, what you're describing is survivorship bias - the idea that if one or even a handful of people can pull themselves out of massively shitty situations that everybody can. That's not even remotely true. It defies the entire concept of statistics.

>the civil war ended like 160 years ago. No one currently alive was a slave in antebellum America
If I traveled 160 years in the past, murdered your entire family, split up your ancestor's children and shipped them to different parts of the country, forbid them from learning to read or write and then spent the next century and a half making sure that none of them could own a business, buy a home or run for public office do you think your family would be different than it is now or do you think that kind of massive impact on your ancestor has no lasting impact whatsoever?

>>1171345
>>1171345
no, you are pretty clear in your argument that black culture was created by whites because you think blacks have no agency

>>1171353
we literally threw japs into concentration camps in the 1940s and they are doing pretty well

>>1171357
NTA but black culture wasn't created by whites. That's a very poor wording. The actual argument is that culture is created by environment and white people created the environment. Nobody is free from the influences of their environment they grew up in. I know everyone likes to think they're the ultimate free-thinking,independent woman but that's just not now psychology works. If you grow up in a place with plenty of food, good housing, good schools, plenty of political representation and solid healthcare you are 100% going to do better than people who don't. Your culture is 100% going to reflect its access to these resources in the things it values and the goals it strives towards. A population that has access to books and the time and ability to read them is going to build a different culture than one who doesn't. A population who is wealthy enough to have significant disposable income and free time to participate in activities outside of work and home will build a different culture than one who doesn't. Literally all aspects of culture are derived from your environment - how you spend your time, what sort of luxuries you have access to, what your work life is like, where you're allowed to go, what sorts of music, food and art you're allowed access to. Sure, you can say that people create their culture but people are products of their environment. Drop a kid into a life of luxury and the culture he creates is going to be wildly different than one that grew up in violence and misery.

>>1171358
Japanese people have a homeland. They have heritage. They have family lineage they can trace back. African Americans do not have that. If things don't work out here they can't call their great-grandmother up in Africa and head back to run the family business like a lot of Japanese people have the luxury of doing. Additionally, a huge amount of Japanese immigrants are here because they could afford to move here and take advantage of our educational and economic systems, not put in chains and shipped here against their will. The story of Japanese people and African people in America are not even remotely comparable. Also, to round it out, Japanese people who were locked in internment camps received reparations. Black people never did. I could keep rattling off differences all day long.

>>1170966
I’ve posted to this place maybe 4 or 5 times in my entire lifetime…
The hard copium comes from whitewashed, privileged trash like yourself. The amount of times I see “you’re kind” schizo shaming is pert near impressive. Find something productive to do with your life… I’m going camping this weekend and figure I’ll enjoy some fishing with my wife and son.
Let that sink in…

>>1171362
larp harder clown, entertain us

>>1171359
and yet blacks decided to build a culture that values crime, physically attacking teachers and murdering each other over drugs
>>1171360
yeah, I am sure the japanese people who were forced to the USA for lack of recourses could totally get help from their grandma from the nation that was just firebomed to hell and nuked twice and had no manufacturing capability. You do fucking know FDR threw the japs into the concentration camps during something called world war 2, right?

>>1171364
black people never got a comprehensive restructuring with economy booming trade deals like japan got under truman and macarthur

>>1171368
blacks got 60 years of welfare and affirmative action from LBJ and did jack shit with it

>>1170815
>black and hispanic schools get the least money
Do you know how much money is spent PER NIGGER by the education system? It's more money than I made as a high school student working part time at the grocery store.

>>1171383
i didn't know lbj was president for 60 years. do you teach?

>>1171396
When did they stop giving out the welfare and affirmative action from the great society, faggot? Last I checked, the majority of blacks were still on welfare and there is a scotus case pending decision about affirmative action. Maybe you are just an ESL and that is why you have a hard time reading?

>>1171402
i'd rather not engage someone who would be terrified to voice the opinions they have off the internet

>>1171404
"I'm not going to work in a black majority district because they are violent assholes" is a pretty common opinion the vast majority of teachers have and say to each other.

>>1171415
what do you want me to do with your tangential opinion? are you done building on it? that's it?

>>1171416
thats literally the topic of the thread, you retard. This thread is about a black high school in texas that has only 5 seniors eligible to graduate, because no one wants to work in black schools because the kids are violent assholes.
And it isn't the money. Their staring salary there is $5k HIGHER than the state average starting salary and $8k higher than the national starting average
https://www.marlinisd.org/departments/human-resources/payroll
https://www.nea.org/resource-library/educator-pay-and-student-spending-how-does-your-state-rank

>>1170826
>>1170959
>>1170979
>>1171008
>>1171024
>>1171034
Marlin Independent School district, the school in OP pays a starting Salary $5k above Texas state average starting salary and $8k above the federal average starting salary for a teacher.
https://www.marlinisd.org/departments/human-resources/payroll
https://www.nea.org/resource-library/educator-pay-and-student-spending-how-does-your-state-rank
school isn't poor, its black

>>1171421
>>1171423
>black people bad
i disagree. either way, these are just opinions on the internet, i feel much more comfortable expressing mine in passing reality. continue having a myopic view about things though, it's your right

>>1171425
yeah, go an voice that opinion that teachers should be forced at gun point to work in black schools so they can get assaulted

>>1171426
gun point? keep adding sensationalism to this story about a graduating class of 38 rural texans. i suggest lizard people

>>1171428
so you do want to force teachers to work in black schools? Are you going to work in one?

>>1171429
i like this dynamic where i make fun of what you say and then you have to come up with more nonsense

>>1171430
more like, I destroy your argument and then since you have literally nothing and an IQ lower than the average number of anonymous sexual partners a faggot has you attempt to throw an insult thinking you are witty

>>1171433
isn't this great, i can keep ridiculing you. especially this post, it reeks of effort. it's almost like you can't convince me to give a fuck about your opinion

>>1171423
>>1171421
Not the anon you were arguing with but you're retarded. Your own link disproves your point. The salary ranks #14 in the nation but per student spending is #38. I don't know where you got the idea that a school isn't poorly funded just because teachers make a few thousand over the average. You also haven't provided a single piece of evidence that the teacher shortage is because of black students nor that the low graduation rate is because of black students. You're literally just giving us your weird /pol/ tier opinion with zero stats to back it up then getting indignant when nobody takes your hunches at their word. Go back to /pol/, anon. We get it. You don't like black people. Have a seat and let the adults talk.

>>1171357
>blacks have no agency
Slaves literally did not have agency.

>>1171445
>Makes this statement
>Calls southerners dumb
>Calls southern schools trash because of low scores
>Crafts memes to make fun of "Cletus"
>Doesn't realize how many "Jeromes" are in the south.
Interesting take that defies your own meme logic.

>>1171455
So instead of engaging with anything I said you just pulled a bunch of random strawmen out of your ass that I never said and have nothing to do with the conversation. Interesting indeed.

>>1171460
Why engage with your sealioning bullshit though? That's the real question.

>>1171461
Sealioning is asking increasingly specific and minute questions about details irrelevant to the topic to avoid accepting a direct answer. I didn't ask a single question in my post. I made a coherent response to your post debunking your claim that this school in Texas only has 3 eligible seniors because black people bad. You haven't provided a single shred of evidence to support your claim and your own link disproved your claim that this school isn't poorly funded. It ranks 38 out of 50 for the lowest per student spending in the country. If you don't have any argument against anything I said just say "I don't have an argument" so we can move on with our lives.

>>1171466
It wasn't my claim. I am not that anon.
I also know who you are and I don't care to engage with your horseshit. Since I know even after the anon provides you with the easily available facts your sealioning to obtain you'll come up with some other non-starter of a shit argument.

>>1171471
>It wasn't my claim. I am not that anon.
So you jumped into a conversation that you weren't in to throw a bunch of random strawmen at me of shit that I've never said. Impressive shit.

>Since I know even after the anon provides you with the easily available facts your sealioning to obtain you'll come up with some other non-starter of a shit argument.
Firstly, the "easily available facts" he provided proved his own argument wrong. He was so dimwitted he didn't even read his own source to make sure it didn't debunk his claim. Secondly, why is my argument shit? Use your big boy words, anon. Explain. A 7th grader should be able to come with a coherent rebuttal. Unless you're too fucking retarded to come up with one and "b-but you're sealioning!" is your cope and hope we all don't notice you're clearly running away from a conversation you're not smart enough to have. You don't even know what sealioning is.

>also know who you are and I don't care to engage with your horseshit
So you don't have an argument. Thanks for your concession.

>>1171475
>So you jumped into a conversation that you weren't in
Yes. Deal with it.
>Secondly, why is my argument shit?
Because you're the biggest retard or second biggest retard on /news, you're constantly wrong and completely ignorant of all information, and most of your arguments consist of long-winded outright denials devoid of supporting information.
>You don't even know what sealioning is.
Sealioning (also sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity.
That's you.
>So you don't have an argument. Thanks for your concession.
You don't actually win when you say this. This is why no one wants to engage you. That and you're a reddit faggot.

>>1171445
>Not the anon you were arguing with
don't lie, faggot> with but you're retarded. Your own link disproves your point. The salary ranks #14 in the nation but per student spending is #38.
what the fuck does per student spending have to do with shit? That number goes into useless support staff bullshit like instructional coaches. No teacher gives a shit about per student spending, they care about salary, which texas pays better than average and that school pays better than texas average
>I don't know where you got the idea that a school isn't poorly funded just because teachers make a few thousand over the average.
oh, I get it, you hate teachers and want them to work for free and don't think compensation has anything to do with where they chose to work, because you are a retard.
>You also haven't provided a single piece of evidence that the teacher shortage is because of black students
What schools are suffering from the teacher shortage? It sure as fuck isn't the white suburban districts. Even the white suburban districts that pay less than the black urban districts are doing a better job at attracting and retaining teachers.
>nor that the low graduation rate is because of black students.
low grad rate is because no teacher wants to work in that shithole
>You're literally just giving us your weird /pol/ tier opinion with zero stats to back it up then getting indignant when nobody takes your hunches at their word. Go back to /pol/, anon. We ge
and I get it, you hate teachers and want them to be forced to work in black schools for free at gun point and get assaulted.
Here is an article saying Patterson can't get teachers, despite offering a signing bonus and paying more than the state and federal average for starting teachers
https://time.com/6220538/teacher-shortage-unequal-schools/
https://www.nj.com/education/2022/09/nj-school-district-offers-7500-signing-bonus-to-fill-135-teacher-jobs.html
The issue isn't funding, its the kids. Always has been.

>>1171434
take no effort at all, where as you clearly are seething because you have been btfo hard and can't even argue so you try retarded shit like >muh say that irl reee
>>1171454
the 13th amendment was ratified over 150 years ago.
>>1171466
you are doing state funding and not individual school district, which is retarded. That difference in money say NY is paying is going to retarded bullshit like instructional coaches who are retards who no one respects and who help no one