so what IS legal to drive in the US with no license? is it really just electric bike and scooter?this place requires a fucking car just to go shopping you would think they would have some exceptions for small motors and things because you need a fucking car just to breathe here. do you think they will ever crack down on electronic things? i’m too autistic for a license
Our transportation network sucks balls. At least build housing near the shopping areas so people don’t have to drive.
This is by design: you're supposed to spend money for a car, gasoline, insurance, registration, etc. like a good consumer.
>>1955694IDK about the US, but in Ontario you do not need a licence to operate tractors or farm equipment. If the driver is less than 16 they are only allowed to drive across the road, not along it.Because the canadian legal system is a joke, all heavy equipment is legally considered farm equipment, so it is perfectly legal for unlicensed children to drive bulldozers and excavators.
>>1955694Where is that interchange
>>1955778you can do that here but it’s useless i want to at least go 20-30. guess electric is the only option? they’ll probably ban that too. fuck it all it’s insane you can’t have a 50cc motor. i guess i could just ride something off-road and if the cops bother me just speed into the woods.
>>1955694You can drive a car without a license, even if you kill someone they just give you a stern warning and a fine
Even in a suburban hellscape riding an ebike is fast enough to get around efficiently. What they should really do is start building separated bike lanes so that you don't risk dying while doing it
>>1955823it’s so much worse i live in a rural hell scape. cops will ruin your life here over nothing
>>1955828>live in a state where weed is still illegal>gets caught with weed on him>wahhhh cops will ruin your life over nothing
>>1955701>This is by designYeah fuck Big KKKar for creating roads thousands of years ago!
>>1955694>too autistic for a licenseWith how easy it is to get a license here, you must need a 24/7 tard wrangler to attend to you
>>1955853There's nothing wrong with roads. The problem is that cars monopolize the space and their drivers can literally murder pedestrians and bikers with just a slap on the wrist for repercussions.
>>1956048If you want to be treated equally then you should expect to pay equally. Insurance, registration, annual inspections, annual tags for your bike, and so on.
>>1956051Mine isn't the vehicle type constantly causing deaths and millions in damages. The fuck I need rego and insurance for, you stupid fucking dickhead?
>>1956056>Regulations & fees for thee but not for me!Don't complain. Just be happy with what you've got.
>>1956051you've got it backwards. by your logic, pedestrians and skateboards and rollerskates should be regulated.the reasons those regulations were developed for cars is because they're giant pollution machines that can kill people if the driver's not careful and they weight a ton or more so they devour infrastructure.no regulations are required for bikes nor peds etc.besides, the answer should always be less government regulation
>>1956059>you've got it backwards.No I don't
>>1956058Consider yourself lucky cars aren't more regulated, because they will be sooner or later if their toll on society continues.
>>1956066>Quoting a drug addict who offed himself proves my point
>>1956051Cars cause a vast majority of wear and tear on roads, require a vast majority of the space on roads, and cause nearly all hospitalizations and deaths on the road. So sure, I'm happy to pay my fair share if you are :)A weight tax is probably a good start. Road wear is roughly exponential to weight, so bikers will pay nearly nothing. Bikers also cause negligible amounts of hospitalizations and deaths, while tens of thousands of people are killed yearly by drivers, to say nothing of hospitalizations, so car drivers get to foot the bill for that too. Bikers also take up far less space than cars, so once again they would pay far less a proportion for the road infrastructure than car drivers would. We should probably also remove all street parking in towns and cities, and remove all free parking. Prices for car and bike garages can be set based on the space they take, to fairly distribute the cost necessary for the garages. That's all completely fine with me.
>>1956076>Obfuscating the discussion about bike registration and insurance to pay for the space and infrastructure they take away from paying usersPottery
>>1956079Ragie ragie angry cagie
>>1956076beat me to it>HURR WHY BIKE USERS NO PAY INSURANCE AND ALWAYS BREAK RULESuntil they realize what you said and that any proportional tax would be vastly one sided and it'd essentially be nothing for bikes, the most expensive thing would be dedicated bike parking if it wasn't subsidized.
>>1955823it's crazy that people think bike infrastructure is "only for cities" when space is so plentiful in suburbs that it's easy as fuck to make bike paths.
>>1956108>I shouldn't have to pay and be insured to use streets because.. I JUST SHOULDN'T OKAYAgain, don't complain with the scraps you get, be thrilled you're even getting them
>>1956119everyone pays general taxes and current taxes for cars and gas in no way cover the actual cost of road works, which I DO have to pay for even if I don't use the vast majority of roads since I take transit and bikes most places
>>1956176Sorry but roads aren't free. Bike paths aren't free either. If you want to be treated as an equal, stop being a leech. If you don't think you should pay for things you use, then don't complain when you don't get them.
>>1956178>a leechI pay taxes, bike paths are paid for by those taxes. sorry that a portion of your taxes go to something that promotes better city designs and public health you fat retarded cager.
>>1956179>I pay taxesI do too. And I pay additional fees and taxes to drive a vehicle on public roads. I have to insure it as well. If you want to use roads and have bike paths built, don't act like you shouldn't pay.
>>1956180your proposed payment if it were to be the same for bikes as it were cars would make no sense. so either you think it's ok to fuck over bike users for no reason and make them pay many times what is needed, or it'd be proportional to cost of infrastructure and estimated damage by your mode of travel. so you'd pay about 10k dollars a year and I'd pay about $100 or so.
>>1956181Yeah, you need to pay for things you use.
>>1956182ok, sure, i'll pay a paltry fee for better infrastructure and you pay your actual fair share which is more than you pay now :)
>>1956183Don't forget licensing, vehicle inspections, and insurance!
>>1956186>licensingsure, despite the fact that cars are extremely dangerous and you dont even pay for licensing anyway besides a small fee on each renewal. i'll take the 5 minute course on bike usage>inspectionsyeah im sure a bike needs to be inspected the same that an internal combustion vehicle does, retard>insurancecost of a bike tops out at like 10k and mine is about 100 bucks so I'd pay uh, nothing for personal insurance and if estimations were done for liability based on possible damage done by a bike I'd pay like uhhh, maybe 5 dollars a month.
>>1956187Alright, you stand to pay less than a car driver would. Why are you still so adamantly against it then?
>>1956189i'm not. just countering your retard argument because I highly doubt you even care about the details and would oppose bike lanes even if they were solely funded by bike users
>>1956190The reason you're replying is because you're against having to pay for infrastructure you demand. Now you agree with me that you should pay for things you want. Congrats
>>1956191so why is it fair that car infrastructure costs vastly more than could possibly be paid for by taxes
>>1956189Nobody is against it, you're the one crying when we point out that any realistic tax structure to have bikes "pay their share" would result in bikers paying pennies to the car drivers' dollars.
>>1956192Does that mean you should not pay?>>1956193Again, if you only have to pay "pennies," why complain?
>>1956194I am totally fine paying pennies, I said I am multiple times, so either this isn't your point or yu are retarded
>>1956195Then you're just arguing for its own sake
>>1956197/n/ in a nutshell
>>1956051cars kill a million people each yearno other mode of transport is close to that
>>1956051License and registration fees should go up for higher-weight vehicles.One year if an F-150 driving on city roads causes more damage than 5 years of a Camry.
>>1956260Don't care>>1956413>According to this article about a recent study,
>>1956260Yep, cars are one of the leading causes of death in America. The leading cause is heart disease, because Americans don’t get out of their cars and walk.
>>1956416>cars are one of the leading causes of death in Americaand globally. funnily enough, guns only recently surpassed automotive death rates in America. USA!USA!USA!but for the rest of the world, it's the number one cause of death that isn't disease, and number two in America now.
>>1956414did you really try to "erm you cited a source???" about an f150 doing more damage to a road than a camry? it's simple fucking physics
>>1955694>>1955701>NOOO WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CANNOT DRIVE SOMETHING WHICH CAN INSTAKILL SOMEONE WITHOUT SOME SORT OF FORMAL TRAINING AND TESTING
>>1956076>trucks end up paying more because of more weight on roads>price of goods skyrocketsCui bono?
>>1956480>companies switch to smaller delivery vans instead of using 18-wheelers for all of their deliveriesNet win for society
>>1956511>Another /n/imby who has no idea how freight delivery worksColor me surprised
>>1956480Are you retarded? weigh stations exist for trucks
>>1956461Not to mention all the chink and pajeet FOBs that convert their fake chink/jeet license to a real one with no test cuz of our cucked western governments. Traffic videos from China and India show what happens when u let ppl drive w/o licenses
>>1956189Bikes are a right. Driving is a privileged that's why you pay more.
>>1955694Part 103 aircraft?
Welcome to the new age, (((IDs))) for everyone!
>>1955697The reason why suburbs began being constructed en masse and why the country is so car-centric is because of the Negro problem. Nothing will ever change in this country without a serious solution to this issue.
>>1956179Bro every reply here is stating we're all perfectly fine paying taxes and fees relative to the insurance risk, road wear/tear, and space occupied by our respective mode of transportation. Cagies will probably still bitch about it not being fair because the respective costs in each of those areas are a fraction of a fraction for bicycles compared to cars.
>>1955694>you thinkNo, ya don't. Anything like that would undermine happy motoring.
>>1956051But cyclist aren't equal. They are infinitely better. It's proportionate transport. 2 tons to move a 200 pound man, to protect him from the same, with 3 empty seats , destroying the world to do it. With a good mountain bike, cyclist don't even need the road. And when they do it would be at a 1000th of the cost. So where are my parallel, murder free bike roads, faggot?>>1956056He meant equal sucker. Defending sunk costs.>>1956070>what is ad hominem>>1956076Yeah, that would expose everything. Treating "road trains" (trucks) subsidizing the wealthiest corps adventures in nowhere. Course they are out there cause "country living" (handshake lot track housing) people are out there. Its totally circular. And you for got tolls on every road, and milage based insurance. But these unself-aware commies (meaning everyone) who burn the country down cause "muh freedom" (parasitism).>>1956179AND the cost comparatively nothing and last forever cause they comparatively arent being used.>>1956180>doesn't understand happy motoring is untenable if it ever pulled it's weight>>1956186>insuring for state minimums 20k/15k>or for zip code cause yuppie scum neighbor drives a jaguar 80k/40kHow much do you think a TREK costs?>>1956197No. To fix your ass.>>1956416...and cheeseburgers>>1956436>how is intentionality better than carelessness>>1956480And building go vertical with trains tween them so we stop being oil cucks, as we never should have been.>>1957687>I'm white>I rule the world>yet I somehow let niggers hollow the outer core of every major u.s. city for 70 yearsStand your ground indeed......faggots
>>1959453Holy seething autism
>>1955694They do in my state, for scooters with a displacement of less than 50CC. Top speed is 30 mph, though.
>>1957687if you didn't abandon the cities, you could have simply priced them outinstead you wrecked every city in the country
>>1959607There is more wealth inequality within lifespans than between races, meaning that this solution harms white youth even more than blacks. Also a good way to depress the birthrates of everyone capable of planning ahead, dysgenics yay.
>>1957687God gave the white man a weapon designed specifically to defend themselves against negro invaders: gentrification
>>1959453Bikes are inferior for transporting any cargo more than about 50lbs on grades roads or around the block. And if you don't do anything but commute to work and hang your 2 days worth of groceries in bags from your handlebars like a moron on your way back to your rented cuckbox, you are an inferior person to a car-using, home-owning patriarch.
>>1959724Cargo bikes exist and can haul your groceries just fine. They also cost 38 times less than your vanity Ford® F-150 Raptor Edition that has never seen a dirt road or a pile of mulch in its life.
>>1959747Unlike any bike the Raptor gets you pussy
>>1959752>Raptor gets you pussyManpussy
>>1955694Slightly off topic but in Alberta I was driving at 14. That was with Mom in the passenger seat mind you, but I was rolling down the highway in a real cage before my balls dropped.
>>1955694Why would they?
>>1955694Go back to your country faggot
>>1959752>You're wrong because I think you don't get hole accessFemale argument
>>1961860>because I thinkNo it's true. A Raptor will get you pussy, a bicycle won't.
>>1961877There's far cheaper ways to get pussy than spending 60k on a luxury vehicle.
>>1962217Of course there are. But bicycles are pussy repellents.
>>1962226If you're THAT self-conscious, you'll never get pussy without paying for it. Riding a bike doesn't matter either way.
>>1962230It has nothing to do with being self-conscious. You're interjecting your own personal problems. Having a nice set of wheels will get you pussy, riding a bicycle never will. Any notion to the contrary is just cope on your part.
>>1955853Remember when you were required to pay for horse carriage insurance in case you damage something with your horse carriage? Me neither
>>1956179>bike paths are paid for by those taxes.Speaking as a car driver, I'mfine with that. It keeps the bikes OFF THE FUCKING ROADS. Trouble is, my city has figured out that bicycles are excellent speed bumps. They close dedicated bike paths, squeeze them onto roads with share icons and try to shame car drivers with all the inevitable white bicycles chained to roadsides.
>>1955697>At least build housing near the shopping areas so people don’t have to drive.we do this, and it becomes de-facto poor people housing, so all the decent people with jobs and families move back out to the suburbs, and the cycle repeats.
>>1959700Sadly libcucks will destroy your life for using it, even if you beat the charges (Zimmerman)>>1957687This is the hard truth most people know and act on but won't say. It's the reason they say things like "Nice neighborhood" "Safe area" "Good schools">>1959453Whites don't hang around all day in groups because they don't have jobs and then go take one one or two people with a 5:1 ratio or better.>>1959607We are trying, they call it gentrification
>>1956051They aren't equal. Driving is a privileged..biking is a right.
>>1963256>biking is a rightHow do you figure that?
>>1963256where does the right to bike appear, what legal documents recognize it? as far as i can tell, crunching you like a bug on a road is the right of those that drive when you get in their way on a car road.
>>1963256>biking is a rightMust be one of the 10th Amendment ones.
>>1962578>libcucks will destroy your life for using itHire negroes to stab them whilst their partner watches and does nothing
>>1959453>I'm white>I rule the world>yet I somehow let niggers hollow the outer core of every major u.s. city for 70 yearsSounds jewish
>>1962236women like cute compact cars and SUVs. you are never going to pick up a woman who doesn't have a penis in a raptor unless it's the trailer park.
>>1963966You are so mad that no woman will pick a guy with a bicycle over a guy with a truck. Unreal cope
>>1963967women will choose chad on a bike over a virgin in a pickup every time. Your expensive toy has nothing on my jaw and cheekbones little buddy
>>1963414>on a car roadThe one non-drivers subsidize?
>>1963969>chad on a bikeunless you mean trans """women""" nobody is attracted to your spandex fetish gear outside of a gay bar
>>1963985yes. now pay up bikecuck before i run you over again.
>>1955694depends highly on which state youre inin some you can ride motorized bicycles with no licensean electric velomobile might be the strat honestly
>>1955697zoning says no :(
>>1955807could be anywhere americas full of them>>1955815you can go 20 on a bicycle ezunless you mean uphill then yeaaah you will need a motor but even then youre only gonna be going 10 up hill
>>1956051bikes dont need any of this and making this a thing wouldnt make any fucking sense and would make even less people cyclefuck you wagie cagie even the bike hating government arent as retarded as you
>>1955871Yep. Even the dumbest, most redneck hick you know has a license to operate a motor vehicle. Any idiot with a pulse can get one - which goes a long way in explaining why there are so many terrible drivers on the road. You don't even need lessons. OP is just too lazy to go down to the DMV.
>>1956058>infrastructure for me but not for theepeople who dont own cars pay to fund your fucking roads faggotthe roads your car destroys constantlybikes dont do that
>>1956070yes?>implying drugs and suicide arent a symptom of the horrible world you supportfuck you do drugs and kill yourself do yourself and the world a favour
>>1956079what the infrastructure i pay for you to destroy?YOU should be paying for bike and train infrastructure not the other way round
>>1963990kill yourself you fucking cuck
>>1964681yes?one of those isnt me though so fuck you i win