I have a few questions as a non-Dutch person.No idea why, but my feed constantly gets spammed with Urban planners.> 1. Is this guy for real? Or is he paid for by the Dutch government to promote the country?> 2. Is the country really that good?> 3. Is these videos true or just marketing and lies?I just watched the following video and thought: So what! Most countries have this. This is nothing specialhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HACaRm2KP6Q
op are you really struggling hard to understand somebody who is clearly knowledgeable and passionate about somethingnot everybody who talks about their favourite music is being paid by record labels. not everybody who shows stuff they've made is 'just marketing and lies'.
man who lives somewhere: "i like living here, and this is a video that explains why i like living here"some guy on the internet watching the video: "guh? but i already know about this stuff??"
>>1950905>>1950906What he is excited about is nothing special. Almost every country has this.
>>1950908perhaps so. still, that guy is clearly enthusiastic enough about the topic to make videos about it.if your response to watching a video is 'i already knew that', then jumping to 'this must be marketing and lies' sounds very cynical (unless you're literally watching actual advertisements, or those internal company films people sometimes find and upload, or something like that)
all the replies in this thread seem to be made by NJB himself. the dude is right in his criticism's of canada and US urban design and public transit but he's an arrogant little fag who completely glosses over how hard it is to just fucking move to the netherlands. admittedly i'm also a foreigner but there's a lot you can glean from simple google searches1. to move there you obviously need a work visa if you are just a normal westerner2. the housing situation, while not as fucked as cali/new york/vancouver/toronto/seattle is pretty fucked and you will need a very good paying job, which he overlooks that he had some high paying tech job and then made a successful youtube channel to afford his move3. amsterdam is full of tourists almost all the time and is pretty bad for biking compared to the rest of the country4. netherlands has way better public transit than NA overall but worse transit than the better cities like new york and much worse than france or maybe even germany.
Look at his body shape. All you need to know
>>1950904I'm never going to watch your vlog
>>1950904Not Just Soi doesn't understand that he enjoys europe because of the demographics, all the while preaching that diversity is our greatest strength
>>1950974i'm not sure that's in the video
Not going to watch your white supremacy channel even if you advertise it "organically".
>>1950942you can't really compare giant metropolises like NY to relatively small cities in the netherlands. for a better example, how many NA cities with a population of 1m have HSR, heavy rail metro connecting multiple intercity train stations, and a tram network that spans the entire city?
>>1950905>not everybody who talks about their favourite music is being paid by record labels.in this day and age they areif you succeed on youtube you either make incredibly unique content or you shilled shite fr money while manipulating the youtube algorithm for impressions
>>1950994>in this day and age they arewell if you're just going to declare that literally everyone who happens to disagree with your views, or even says something you disagree with, is being paid by Shadowy Corporations, then, there's little point in anybody trying to talk to you
>>1950912his only videos this month are this retarded train station video and literally a 3 minute advert shilling his retarded streaming platform that is absolutely guaranteed to go under because it's a services provider with huge overhead offering lifetime subscriptions (effectively a ponzischeme that will exit scam when the cash dries up)hes not an enthusiastic gut, hes a fucking presenter, shill and actual scammer that is conning youopen your fucking eyes to the way the world works for the love of fuck, this is just how all of youtube and most social media operates and it has been this way for years
interesting how the topic seems to have drifted from 'this is nothign special what gives' to 'THIS MAN IS SCAMMING YOU WAKE UP SHEEPLE'. weird
>>1950996>well if you're just going to declare that literally everyone who happens to disagree with your views, or even says something you disagree with, is being paid by Shadowy CorporationsThats not at all what I said. I said he's being paid by someone. I don't even watch this channel (I don't use youtube because it's brain-numbing shite by and for pseudointellectuals) and this is nothing to do with 'disagreeing' with him. If you think he isn't paid, his views and what he says aren't affected by that payment, and that his views and what he says also aren't affected by his desire to manipulate the youtube platforms impressions algorithms to get more reach then you're naive at bestbut sit there and smugly put words in my mouth, claim victory and continue to be a drone
>>1951001>I don't even watch this channelopinion discarded
>>1951000It's the same topic reallyIt's nothing special cause the content is garbageThe content is garbage because he doesn't give a fuck about educating only about getting viewsHe gets views because he is adept at presenting garbage as exciting content, SEO and getting people to click his thumbnails That is unironically most of youtube's larger channels. Garbage nonsense, presented as groundbreaking, uses viewership to validate itself in a cyclical web of shite
>>1951002This thread is about that video, which I watched. The idea only someone who actively supports the entire channel can discuss any video is proof you just want to have a little circlejerk and hate having the facts of your eceleb laid out in clear view by anyone remotely unbias on himYou've developed a parasocial relationship and it's pathetic for a grown man
>>1951003>The content is garbage because he doesn't give a fuck about educating only about getting viewswhat you mean by this, specifically. because the video seems to be specifically about why he liked the design of a train station he used, with specific references to his life (requiring it for a job, cross-platform transfers, useful bus & cycling connections etc).
not sure why you've decided the video is supposed to be 'educational' either. why have you used that word, and how did you reach that decision
>>1950942>1. to move there you obviously need a work visa if you are just a normal westernert. schengencel
>>1951004>You've developed a parasocial relationship and it's pathetic for a grown manweird. i dont think anybody itt has done that either
>>1951011You can stop pretending that it's more than just you defending this nonsense content btw
>Is this guy for real?He's a real american faggot who's annoying Americans and Europeans alike by brazenly displaying his Dunning-Kruger to the whole (Anglo) world.>Or is he paid for by the Dutch government to promote the country?If there's one thing the Dutch have enough is American faggotry, no need for them to pay shills to attract more, as they can produce high-quality imitation fagottry domestically.>Is the country really that good?Run-off-the-mill European country that is flat enough for people to use bicycles a lot.You don't see Austrians doing the same, as they built countless railway lines and tunnels because of their mountains.>Is these videos true or just marketing and lies?They're like any media, selectively showing the "truth" to fit the agenda.You don't see him showing off the Dutch car infrastructure nor do you see him mentioning that "walkability" is present outside the Holy Domain of Holland and that not being dependent on a car and faggotry is not inherently linked.
>>1951024>You don't see him showing off the Dutch car infrastructure nor do you see him mentioning that "walkability" is present outside the Holy Domain of Hollandwhat would be the point of doing that
>>1951036It would be honest and informative, but it would counter the narrative he's trying to push.
>>1951039ok. so, for fairness' sake then, someone talking about their car purchase would need to talk about the equivalent public transit journey
you know. because of the narrative i've decided they're pushing
>>1951040Absolutely.Somebody showing off his new car stating that it's the only way to commute despite there being reliable public transport definitely deserves to be shat upon.
Regarding the latest video, Driebergen-Zeist is a well designed train station that solved several traffic issues, so it's worthy of a case study... perhaps even one narrated by someone as annoying as NJB. I enjoyed this video a lot more than his usual fare where he just goes on about how great Amsterdam is, conveniently glossing over the fact that the cost of living is outrageous there.
>>1951043i don't believe you believe that
"literally everything MUST also include something saying the equally exact opposite thing OTHERWISE they are pushing a narrative[*][*] (this is bad)" is such a galaxy-brain kind of take it could only have come from this website lol
>>1951041>>1951047Need some ointments for your sever case of butthurt?How about you go back to where you came from?
>>1951046not him but it's mental that you can't believe that people who believe in genuinely attempting to displace bias don't existwe all know that we're going to be hypocrites at some point but it doesn't mean we shouldn't try to strive for truthful representations of things, and to try to guide our viewership there
>>1951046I use a bicycle to get to the station to catch the train paid for by my commuter pass and to do my regular shopping.I use the local equivalent of U-Hauls for heavy items and taxis in the extremely rare case public transport doesn't get me where I need to go.Do I shit on people preferring other modes of transport? Not really.Do I call out biased actors misrepresenting reality? Absolutely.
>>1950974Go to Maine. It’s full of white people and it still sucks dick (Portland has just a handful of nice streets.)
>>1950908>>1950904>Almost every country has thisNo, they don't. There are countries, most of eastern Europe for example, with world class highway and road infrastructure but where anything not directly serving motor vehicles looks humiliating.I, for one, am blown away that a metro area with under 100k pop gets to have this.
>>1951024>You don't see him showing off the Dutch car infrastructurehe did do exactly that howeverhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8RRE2rDw4k
>>1950942A lot of his videos 'advice' to N. American planners is to bulldoze every metro area from coast-to-coast and replace them with microrayon walkable districts. Yes, NJB, it's annoying that GO Trains mostly serve park-and-fly riders, but short of zoning every residential area for commieblock construction it's a good stopgap measure to curb congestion
I hadn't even questioned the way my city was designed before I watched NJB. Really redpilled me on American cities and gave me a way to formally express latent feelings like 'there's nothing to fucking do in this city', 'I hate taking my car everywhere', and so on. One day I'd like to live in a walkable town/city. Idk where.
>>1950904>> 1. Is this guy for real? Or is he paid for by the Dutch government to promote the country?more likely he's on the payroll of Klaus Schwab or Bill Gates>> 2. Is the country really that good?not as good as america>> 3. Is these videos true or just marketing and lies?trust your gut, if someone is selling you something too good to be true, it's because it isA channel where a guy talks about why cars are the devil wouldn't organically get popular, most people either enjoy cars or view them as a useful tool. THis is part of the NWO agenda. they have "15 minute cities" now where you get fined if you leave your 15 minute sector. That's what all these people want under the surface
>>1951139>A channel where a guy talks about why cars are the devil wouldn't organically get popularweird assumption
people wouldn't, just, NOT like cars, that's absurd
>>1951141>>1951153Why are you responding?
>>1951139>they have "15 minute cities" now where you get fined if you leave your 15 minute sectorlol, where? name me a single place on earth that fines you for walking 20 minutes within the city you live in. who would even benefit from that? it would massively reduce mobility and thus economic productivity and taxable income.
>>1951090>eastern Europe>world-class highwaysLmao you must be kidding, right?
>>1951175Well not that far east, but Hungary and Croatia are pretty good in that regard. I've been to both for business. Humiliating rail and pedestrian infrastructure.
>>1951024>Run-off-the-mill European country that is flat enough for people to use bicycles a lot.maybe flat enough for burgers to ride bicyles comfortably. rest of europe has plenty of hilly but also bike-friendly cities.
>>1950904> 1. Is this guy for real?I think he's for real. There are a lot of Americans and Canadians who are enamoured with Europe when they visit and immediately want to immigrate ASAP. NJB is no exception> 2. Is the country really that good?The Netherlands is a very nice and pretty country. It is also a very expensive one, and it's got a lot of issues from the fact that the Randstad (Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Utrecht & Den Haag) are overpopulated. All the public and private investment sinks into the Randstad, all the while, housing and public services can't keep up with the increasing population.NL is a lovely place, and I have good friends there. But I don't see myself becoming a resident there unless there was a job opportunity that's too good to pass up.> 3. Is these videos true or just marketing and lies?So... I prefer his videos on places that aren't NL and not North America. Reason being is that it becomes clear that NJB's idolisation of NL is kinda... meh.There are three things I think are not so good about NL:1. The trains are expensive af. While the metros, trams and buses are fairly cheap, NS really does like to extract fares out of its passengers. And while I'm well aware that NS has a variety of season tickets, as well as student and elderly discounts, you're not allowed to use them with an anonymous OV Chipkaart or the OV Pay system - you must have a Dutch bank account and you must be a Dutch resident to get them.2. Housing is a fuck. Amsterdam and Utrecht are expensive af cities to live in for rent, and part of the reason for that is the obscene gentrification that's taken place in those cities. Rotterdam is cheaper but not by much and Den Haag is not much better either. This leaves the more affordable places being cities like Breda, Tilburg, Nijmegen, Eindhoven and Zwolle, all of which are at least an hour away from any bigger city, except for Breda.3. Riding a road bike in NL is seen as antisocial behaviour, and drivers hate cyclists
>>1950942>you obviously need a work visa if you are just a normal westernerI'm a "normal westerner", and I can live and work in NL visa free. I am also an Irish citizen, and EU Freedom of Movement applies.>amsterdam is full of tourists almost all the timeThis is true, and many Dutch hate Amsterdam in part for this reason. Of course, the other reason they hate Amsterdam is because they feel sidelined. I have heard from friends of mine in NL that "everyone assumes it's just all Amsterdam".>>1951024>You don't see him showing off the Dutch car infrastructure nor do you see him mentioning that "walkability" is present outside the Holy Domain of HollandDutch car infrastructure is maddening. The sheer volume of cars on the motorways always makes me wonder if actually Dutch people are pretty darn car brained too. I have personally witnessed SUVs in Amsterdam honking at pedestrians crossing the street wherever they like.Walkability is inherent to most European cities, not because they're special in some way, but more because these cities were built up before the car was even an invention. Some places were destroyed during WWII, and were rebuilt to accommodate the car, and some places weren't. Yet increasingly, I feel like the choices cities are making are very specifically adjusted to the cultural tendencies, rather than trying to introduce a bicycle culture that's not present, and probably never has existed, unless you count roadies.
>>1951167Couple places in China and Europe and probably Oceania did just that in 2020, funny how quickly people forget.
>>1951214and, being fair, i'm sure you remember that there was (and is still) a nasty respiratory virus going around
>>1951214this is beyond moving goalposts, lmao. you can't assert an urban planning guideline secretly means locking people up, and then use a completely unrelated, predating virus quarantine as an example you retard
>>1951167>name me a single place on earth that fines you for walking 20 minutes within the city you live in.1. Europe has a city that literally does this, I can't find what it is though because google scrubbed all the news articles from their results2. Even without direct fines, without car ownership you are effectively locked within 1 city for life
>>1951239>Europe has a city that literally does this, I can't find what it is though because google scrubbed all the news articles from their resultsthis is "nasa is hiding flat earth from people" levels of cope>without car ownership you are effectively locked within 1 city for life1 get on train2 get off train3 you are now in a different city4 ????also the 15 minute city guideline does not propose banning car ownership at all, just to build towns and cities in a more efficient, walkable manner
>>1951196>I feel like the choices cities are making are very specifically adjusted to the cultural tendencies, rather than trying to introduce a bicycle culture that's not presentthere was no bicycle culture in 60s-70s netherlands, it was just as car centric as any other place. however there were protests against this as being a densely populated place, there were massive amounts of pedestrian fatalities especially amongst children. that's when they started building safer infrastructure with traffic calming, and the bicycle culture emerged after that.
>>1951251>there was no bicycle culture in 60s-70s netherlandsYet in the pic you link, there are like 6 guys riding bicycles in car traffic in 1971.The fact of the matter is that there was a pre-established bicycle culture. It's why Dutch bicycles are a thing, and I fucking hate the Dutch bicycle as it exists in 2023 - it's got a threaded headset, a stack that's really high, a reach that's almost nonexistent, people put their saddle real fucking low, and then on top of all that, there's only a coaster brake and a single gear.It's a heavy bike, will probably fuck up your knees and is pretty much illegal in all neighbouring countries because the lack of brake calipers. The "Grandma bike" is so crude, it's like something you'd see in Indonesia.Dutch cycling culture hates the idea that a bicycle might be able to go faster than 10 km/h. They think of a modern hybrid bike as "too sporty" and see anyone riding a road bike as being a "wielrenner".Meanwhile, over in a place like Berlin, the cycling culture isn't monoculture, it's full of various trekking bikes, fixies and full road bikes. You might even see urban MTBers.I'm not John Forester, but a lot of Dutch cycling infrastructure is not built for riding at 20-30 km/h, which is very possible, not just on a light bike with low rolling resistance, but also on e-bikes which are pretty much everywhere now.
>>1951257>Yet in the pic you link, there are like 6 guys riding bicycles in car traffic in 1971.>The fact of the matter is that there was a pre-established bicycle culture.those pictures aren't remotely comparable. you're a disingenuous shit. fuck off and troll elsewhere. here is your dopamine release from the (you)
This person is riding a bike in LA. Ergo, LA has a pre-established bicycle culture. I am smart
>>1951257>there are like 6 guys riding bicyclesin one of the busiest shopping streets of amsterdam, during an oil crisis. bicycles were disappearing from the streetscape back then, and there were no more than in any other european country>The fact of the matter is that there was a pre-established bicycle cultureyes there was all over europe and in america before the invention of the car. the netherlands was no different from britain or germany in that regard>I fucking hate the Dutch bicyclethere is no such thing, this old design was the standard non-racing bike since the invention of the safety bicycle, used from britain to china. dutch people use all kinds of bikes, you'll see plenty of van moofs, cargo bikes, racing bikes, hybrids etc.>Dutch cycling culture hates the idea that a bicycle might be able to go faster than 10 km/hnobody gives a shit how fast you go, about half the natives have switched to ebikes at this point
>>1951251>left pure SOUL with stores actually catering to the local residents, you know the owner and he knows you>right pure globohomo with copypaste stores founds all over the place, staffed by minimum wage employees with high turnover
>>1951239nevermind I found it>To this end, Oxfordshire County Council, which is run by Labour, the Liberal Democrats and the Green Party, wants to divide the city of Oxford into six ‘15 minute’ districts> Under the new proposals, if any of Oxford’s 150,000 residents drives outside of their designated district more than 100 days a year, he or she could be fined £70.>>1951241>1 get on trainYou aren't going to be able to have a reasonable length train ride between any two of the 10s of thousands of towns and cities in america
>>1951276what the fuck are these cars doing? the shark teeth indicate that they're supposed to give way
>>1951277>You aren't going to be able to have a reasonable length train ride between any two of the 10s of thousands of towns and cities in americasucks to suck, even a shithole like china has better infrastructure lmao
>>1951289you just showed me a map where there are 100 square mile gaps inbetween certain railway connections
>>1951293it only shows high speed rail, how big are the gaps between american HSR lines?
>>1951296It doesn't matter, i have a car
>>1951277>nevermind I found itplease post the source for this. i'm not calling you a liar, i just don't believe this is true.
>thread about guy who talks about dutch transit infrastructure>some freak derails it into their insane fifteen minute city nonsense and BUT CHINA garbageI hate you all.
I like bicycles
>>1951276>driving your car into the dense busy central part of a citynot my problem, I'm not retarded.
>>1951261The two pictures appear to be of completely different streets - the building façade doesn't match. But my point still stands, the Netherlands didn't go from 0 cycling to loads of cycling.>>1951264LA has a very vibrant and unique bicycle culture, punctuated by various bicycle cooperatives and is very much known for the culture of road cycling too.Your picture just doesn't show that.>>1951269John Dunlop merely invented the pneumatic tyre in Ireland. But that style of bicycle is basically obsolete. And that's what I find frustrating about Dutch bicycles and Dutch cycling culture - they've embraced none of the modern advancements in cycling technology. Dunlop valves suck, coaster brakes suck, idk who even uses a threaded headset in the current year, and the rolling resistance of those bikes are total crap.It's not hard to implement... Idk... aluminium? Threadless headsets? Brake calipers? I'm not asking for Dutch people to start riding carbon framed bikes with exotic integrated cockpits. But I look at Dutch bikes and can't help but see them in the same way Cubans drive Chevrolet cars from the 1950s.>nobody gives a shit how fast you go, about half the natives have switched to ebikes at this pointPeople get really angry at you for going fast - especially if you're perceived as a "wielrenner". The speed difference between a Dutch grandma bike and its obsolete tech and even a moderately modern road bike with Shimano 8 speed is at times insane. Go onto the roads to avoid pensioners and car drivers will roll down their windows to yell Dutch expletives at you.Even if you chose to ride on bike paths, you're going to encounter weird street furniture in the way or you'll have to give way to cars in the same way pedestrians do. Ride on the road and observe junctions just like car drivers, and it's a much quicker experience.
>>1951315>>1951301the facts are not presented accurately because it's some tory mag. what was really set up for oxfordshire was a fine/toll for taking cars into the city core as a congestion charge, and this was part of a general plan to lessen car use downtown, so this was somehow construed as "you have to stay in your district" when it really means you just get a charge for taking your car downtown and if you want to avoid the fine you have to go on a longer route (which is literally present in many american cities on toll roads/bridges or where the direct/fastest route is tolled and the alternate isn't)
>>1951328>american cities on toll roads/bridgesour tolls are to pay the hard working men who made those roads possible, yours are for an anti-humanist agenda, they are not the same
>>1951330if by pay hard working men you mean pay for the massive costs of the bridges and roads and their continued maintenance, yes. this is also what train tickets are for. the congestion charge in this case is a fee on cars using valuable downtown space, because some places are smart enough to not destroy their downtowns and turn them into a slop of parking lots.
>>1951324>And that's what I find frustrating about Dutch bicycles and Dutch cycling culture - they've embraced none of the modern advancements in cycling technology.again, there is no such thing as a "dutch bike" or dutch "bicycle culture", it's just a tool to get places like any other. i don't understand why it personally frustrates you that a small amount of people use a rusty old "obsolete" bike to travel short distances in a small city. some people just want the cheapest, shittiest bikes of which there is a huge supply, they're not gonna wear lycra gimp suits and ride bikes that cost thousands just to get to a grocery store 5 minutes away, and good on them for not being consoomers. also dunlop valves work just fine, brakes that brake are fine, and normies don't even know what a headset or rolling resistance is.
>>1951328https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEOA_Tcq2XAthey've already implemented a circulation plan like this in the belgian town of ghent, and it works wonderfully. people are cycling and walking much more, there is much less congestion and air pollution and the place is much more beautiful and liveable. no NWO ghettoes or whatever conspiracy retardation.
>>1951261According to basic wikipedia search. Cars never dominated that much, bikes declined a bit for a short while, then increased not long after.>The ownership and use of bicycles continued to increase and in 1940 there were around four million bicycles in a population of eight million. Half of these bicycles disappeared during the German occupation, but after the war the use of bicycles quickly returned to normal and continued at a high level until 1960 (annual distance covered by bicycle for each inhabitant: 1500 km). Then, much like it had in other developed nations, the privately owned motor car became more affordable and therefore more commonly in use and bicycles as a result less popular. That is: ownership still remained high, but use fell to around 800 km annually. Even so, the number of Dutch people cycling was very high compared to other European nations.Even at the height of car culture in the Netherlands it seems bikes were still thought of as main method of transit by others. E.g. This classic porn film from 1975 has someone say they thought all Dutch people rode bicycles and take trams https://xhamster.com/videos/sensations-1975-4k-remastered-xhxaoaz At 8:05
>>1950904He's just a seething faggot who's too poor and stupid for superior car transportation, he's also doing it for free as in rent free.
>>1950993You have to understand that Amsterdam is just one smaller part of the "Randstad" region which inhabits 8 million people in an area about half the size of New Jersey, thus it's nearly twice as dense as New Jersey. It has multiple major cities like Amsterdam, Den Haag/The Hague, Rotterdam, Utrecht and also a lot of towns that are essentially part of these major cities in all but name and political boundary (kinda like Yonkers to NYC). Also the HSR runs through flat terrain and throughout some of the densest areas and largest cities in Europe. A line with just one kink connects three nation's capitals and also comes close enough to other major cities like Rotterdam and Antwerp. Amsterdam and Paris also have the largest airports in mainland Europe (excluding Turkey because they will never be European). It also helps that the people in Amsterdam grabbed the political power to combat infrastructure measures that they deemed harmful, even though it sadly resulted in the metro network being a bit of a meme.Also European cities grew organically and developed radial lines out of the city rather than the grid cities you find in most American cities which I would consider harmful to efficient public transport and traffic overall
>>1950908Where are you from that you could possibly think this?Nederlands objectively has some of the most sophisticated cycling infrastructure in the world and better rail than most countries.
>>1951024>You don't see him showing off the Dutch car infrastructureHe already did though pic rel>nor do you see him mentioning that "walkability" is present outside the Holy Domain of HollandThis is mostly true and i kind of wish he showed more of the outer provinces like fryslan although most pedestrianisation laws and regularions are national so they should be the same there.
>>1951277>drivesThere it is, they are trying incentivize non-car transport.
>>1951746he recently made a video on small towns outside of holland. but to be fair, there is fuckall to do or see in most of the country. just a bunch of pastures and boring rowhouse villages.
>>1951175they started building thousands of miles of highways once the EU cheques came in because their elites are still mentally in the cold war
>>1951429citing dialogue from a retro porn flick to back yourself up is honestly a really based move, keep up the good work anon
>>1951257>I'm not John Forester, but a lot of Dutch cycling infrastructure is not built for riding at 20-30 km/h, which is very possible, not just on a light bike with low rolling resistance, but also on e-bikes which are pretty much everywhere now.The main cyclepaths are built to allow L1e-B mopeds to go up to 40km/h, what are you even talking about
Massive faggot and communist shill, worthless human garbage.
>>1951900Are those communists in the room with us?
>>1951975Probably since this is /n/ and full of seething poor who cannot afford a car.
>>1951980>le poor>le cannot afford car kill yourself my friend
>>1951990>t. seething poor
>>1951980*full of seething poor who can't even afford a driver
>>1951746>The Best Country in the World for DriversYet dutch drivers are consistently some of the worst drivers in German roads.
>>1950942If you're American there is the DAFT visa, which sounds like an easy way to get in. You invest €4,500 into the Netherlands and do self-employed work there and you get a 2 year visa. I don't know much about it though, it's specifically designed to make it easier for Americans to get in than other non-EU nationalities. But the Netherlands has a pretty high cost of living for the EU. Most people trying to get into Europe move into the south, obviously Portugal is the big one because it really tried to set itself up as the door to Europe. But if you're a dedicated Dutchaboo and can make decent money being self-employed, then seems like thr Netherlands is pretty accessible for Americans.
>>1951331Then why are mass transit subsides necessary? Train fares should be at least 2-3x higher to self fund the system.
>>1952051assuming this is an argument in good faith, transit is subsidised because it increases adjacent land value, economic activity and mobility etc, providing a return on investment on a societal level and in taxable income. this coupled with the incredible efficiency rail transit has in moving people, makes it a worthwhile investment, unlike extremely inefficient and congested 26 lane katy freeways. transit is self funded in for example japan, where rail companies own real estate around stations which makes up the bulk of their revenue. expecting struggling transit companies to be self funding while constructing freeways all over the place which will never be self funding is retarded.
>>1952062>>1952051in addition to the response you got. I only mentioned tolls for the few highways and bridges that have them. the rest are like railways, massively subsidized by the taxpayer yet for some reason never the subject of unending criticism when they go billions over budget.
>>1952062If it's so efficient it should be able to fund itself. People should want to pay a premium for a superior train ride. >freeways are never self-fundingWhat do you call fuel taxes, DMV fees and tolls? Dumbfuck.
>>1950974Yes, yes, because black people can't use trains or ride bicycles. Fuck off, racist.People like you are the real ruin of your own countries: you place blame on everything useless and neglect the real causes. I hope you enjoy chasing black spectres as you slip into neo-fascism or similar late-modern societal rot. America is the richest country on Earth, easily able to provide vastly better lives for its people -- but apparently it's black people, some of the greatest victims of that society, who are holding it back? The mental gymnastics are incredible, and ultimately serve everything wrong with the status quo.
>>1951975They mean communist in the same sense as American planners post-war, i.e., anyone who vaguely disagrees with us or advocates for improving the world. Priests, liberals in the global south, philosophers, actual communists, they're all "communists" (the big bad no-no) if they are against us. That's the logic.
>>1951239>Europe has a city that literally does thisOh, do tell.>can't find what it is though because google scrubbed all the news articles from their resultsIncredible coincidence.
>>1952170Oh poor black people, those victims! It's not like they commit way more violent crimes and property crimes per capita, they're just victims. You neglect to understand that it's possible to be victimized and victimizer. People like you advocate for all the liberal policies like loosened immigration restrictions and defunding the police in favor of social workers, when that's what destroys cities. There seriously needs to be a group of urbanists that understands that implementing the entirety of liberal policy results in rotten cities.I'm not that guy. I even like the idea of walkable cities, but the crime statistics are against you, as is the intuition of everyone that interacts with them. If you have a homogenous country, keep it that way. Walkable cities are not a liberal policy, and not everyone that advocates for it is a liberal, so it'd be best to operate under that assumption from now on. People don't take it on faith that black people are poor victims that dindu nuffin, and they don't necesarilly think diversity is a strength. If you want walkable cities, you're going to have to work with people that believe that, and you're going to have to confront their arguments. When some nimby says that he doesn't want increased density because black people will move in, saying black people are just victims of the system does nothing to stop the persuasive power of "black people obviously would commit a shit ton of crimes if they lived here."
>>1952119User taxes pay for around half of the costs for construction and maintenance. The rest comes from general taxes. Which shouldn't be surprising because the entire system is depreciating, new roads are being built and the gas tax hasn't been changed in decades. Then there are all of the externalities, like the micro-plastics from tires leeching into water and filling the air, causing cognitive decline and who knows what other mental health issues. It'll be funny when in a thousand years historians are looking back at the period in which America started going insane and they pull the Roman lead consumption explanation but with micro-plastics. Though it isn't just America of course, but American car dependency is so immense and its environmental standards so low that it isn't surprising it is having a mental health crisis and declining educational standards. Everybody has plastic passing into their brains.
>>1952174>>1951167How stupid do you have to be to fall for that?
>>1952265I have genuine criticisms of what can broadly be called "wokeness;" it is sometimes insufficient, and it can end up simplifying tough issues. But I'm critiquing it from the left, saying that it's a slip into liberalism where we should strive to go beyond that kind of thinking. The actual critical theorists never say the things the liberal bastardisations rally around. Notice how I never said anything about defunding the police or anything along those lines -- you've inserted that. My point was simply that blaming black people is a lazy and self-defeating Yank excuse for why their country is so shitty, especially once you consider that the reason black people are even a "problem" (to the white pop.) is entirely the fault of the obscene oppression they have faced. Of course you are not going to have a homogeneous population when you didn't allow one part to even drink from the same fountain until the '60s. (And you only started to change when they made you.) I'm not saying this just to say it: America, along with other racist countries, will only ever move forward by accepting the basic historical view that allows them to see their own people with empathy.Racism is an ideology in the literal sense, in that it presents the socially-constructed concept of race as an inherently meaningful way to categorise people. We have got to go back a step from "black people commit more crime": we must ask why! The answer is either (1) the unscientific and socially-recent race hypothesis or (2) that black Americans' vastly different history and existence continues to affect them. To acknowledge this is only the start, not the end, of course; but it is at least a start. (Liberals fail because they do treat this as an end, which both patronises black people and fails to fix the problem.) Resolution to the race problem will never come by accepting the premise of race. Organised and orderly racism -- where white people don't face spill-over -- is as impossible as it is cruel.
>>1952345hear, hearI live in a majority black city and black people are a little bit friendlier on average, if anything
>>1952170>Fuck off, racist.fuck off redditard
>>1951448I believe he works for some globohomo as a computer engineer.
>>1952380Plenty of reddit is plenty racist. I'm sure you'd be right at home.
I don't mind a lot of what this faggot says but he seems to think people who ride motorcycles are worse than car drivers, which for me add a certain level of bias to his opinion (because he hasn't considered how beneficial motorcycles are to traffic), and for that reason he's a fucking idiot.Also he rides a stupid bike. Grow up.
It was nice when the jannies deleted these advertising threads but I guess we got a new crew
>>1952345That’s cool and all, but can you stop spamming your schizo rants on a transportation board, /n/egro? I promise you that nobody cares about your retarded breadtube opinions. Evolution does not stop at the neck and race science has existed for centuries, btw.
>>1952265I don’t know what year it is in your head but in the current time period, black people tend to be the ones getting called NIMBY because they often are worried about YIMBY developers pushing them out as part of an urban renewal scheme that envisions a utopian future city scrubbed clean of ethnic types. To suggest that the same racial and neighborhood dynamics of the 1950s can accurately describe today’s urban politics is either intentionally being dishonest or simply uninformed
>>19509041. He used to be for real, but since getting popular, he's been under the thumb of the Dutch government and has started to rail against anyone trying to make progress in North American or to insinuate that the Netherlands is anything other than a flawless Utopia2. In terms of housing and transportation? it's certainly better. In order to meaningfully assess whether a country is good, you need to be more specific about which metric. Its walkability is worse than say, Spain's or Japan's. In terms of intercity rail, it's probably worse than Switzerland or Korea's. In terms of housing, it's actually one of the less good countries in Europe, albeit better than most of Western Europe. In terms of Cycling? it's considered by most to be the best cycling country in the world. Amsterdam is far from perfect, it doesn't develop around its transit stations well enough, has a lot of hostile architecture, and doesn't build enough housing to keep up with demand (partially because of its wet foundation). But in terms of zoning and planning, it is thoroughly better than most North American cities3. Most of the videos are true, but his last one is clearly just marketing fluff.
I’ve never seen a logical rebuttal to any one of his videos.
>>1953165>He used to be for real, but since getting popular, he's been under the thumb of the Dutch government and has started to rail against anyone trying to make progress in North AmericaTo be fair, that is for pretty good reason. Your best options are to move to Chicago or NYC. There are pockets of transit and walkability in various cities, supposedly I live in one of the most walkable areas of my own big American city. But granted it is more walkable than most other places I'm aware of (there are a couple of options for things nearby and I even have a light rail line within walking distance), it still feels uncomfortable because there are several very large city streets criss crossing through the district, which are loud and irritating to cross. Somebody actually got straight up killed on the sidewalk a couple of months ago when a car veered off the street, and I've personally seen a person get hit on a crosswalk by someone looking at their phone.Shit is just crazy in this country. And then there is the fact that the city doesn't really do anything to try to alleviate the homelessness issue so the light rail and many of the streets actually have more homeless people on them than people on their way to stores or parks or whatever. Which makes it more unpleasant to walk because you get stopped by multiple people panhandling, and occasionally you see one of the insane homeless people shrieking at nothing and now you are anxiously making sure they aren't going to get violent. And as has been noted a million times on this board, the persistence of that problem causes people to want to basically hide in their cars, so moves to expand transit and walkability while reducing car usage create outcries because people are afraid they're going to have to rub shoulders with homeless people. It just seems like it will take a lot of political will to fix.
>>1950904The Netherlands seem to attract the worst of the new world hippies who think NL is some kind of bernie sandals paradise. I'm Dutch and yes there are many good things about this country but it's nowhere near what these expats shills pretend it is. For most people, cycling is a necessity because our bolshevik government taxes cars to almosy Singaporean levels. Cars are impossible to park in inner cities, which is where the yuppie/dink/expat scum lives. Cars are not feasible there. The rest of the country drives cars because public transportation outside of the main urban centers suchs monkey dick
what does the guy do for a living? he says he commutes a lot of work -- to where? is youtube not his job?
>>1953421He's a SWE.
>>1950904The US sucks for anything but driving. It’s a crime what economically based, use segregated zoning has done to this country.
>>1953139Race science is the equivalent of horoscopes for people like you. You're right, it has existed for centuries -- and it has been wrong the whole time. It is an intensely unscientific dogma which has had to reconstruct itself every time one of its kooky theories falls apart. It's self-evidently true that there is a huge variety amongst every population, with no exception for race; and "race" as we understand it today is a totally arbitrary and contingent social and historical category. Given these two things, it is impossible to have a "science" of race. (This is not even mentioning that many of the metrics that can supposedly measure racial characteristics, such as I.Q., are laughably non-universal and biased.)>Everything I'm unable to respond to but don't like is [pejorative]...Keep going with the thought-terminating cliches.
>>1953401>I'm Dutch>For most people, cycling is a necessitywhy are you pretending? the netherlands has a very high car ownership rate, and plenty of people cycle when they already own a car or can afford one. see pic related for example, people in the rich city center cycle more while people in the poor neighborhoods like de bijlmer and nieuw west do more by car. taxes have nothing to do with it.
>>1953195All his videos can be rebuked by mentioning how public transport only remains high quality when the ridership is 95% European or Asian.
>>1953646that's an argument in favor of urbanism if anything. it'll stimulate people to address the problems their society is facing instead of locking themselves away in their car and pretending everything is fine.
>>1951251left looks nicer desu
>>1951980I haven't had a car for three years, and I've been saving thousands of dollars just by not having one. You jealous?
>>1951980>I LOVE THE OIL JEW!!!!>I FUCKING LOVE GIVING ALL OF MY MONEY AWAY TO GOVERNING BODIES FOR A FALSE SENSE OF "FREEDOM">PLEASE TAKE MY MONEY SO I CAN DRIVE TO THE SAME THREE PLACES FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE>I LOVE PAYING TAXES, I LOVE BUYING GASOLINE>INSURANCE IS SO COOL AND FUN TO PAYIt's not that we're poor. We're just not retarded.
>>1952062>Freeways are not self fundingfreeways will always be maintained as they are a national defense asset. this also applies to railways. Further, even if (you) do not personally drive, goods you receive travel on these roads. If everyone stopped driving tomorrow and fuel and registration taxes declined significantly, that money will be taken from you in another fashion.>>1950904cant answer the first. 2. No, the netherlands isn't that good. Taxes are sky high, and property prices are so high I believe they have approved mortgages in excess of 40 years. t. worked at UK branch of Dutch company and went there frequently for training.3. mostly the second, urbanism is code for "how many peasants can we cajole and coerce off their land and into being permanent renters around the few areas served by public transport." modern day highland clearances.
build highspeed railway from NYC to LA
>>1953195>a logical rebuttalSounds like someone might have explained a video and how it was wrong, yet you blew it off with "carbrain" or "cagetroll" or something else.
As an American who has lived in Europe and seen a lot of NJB videos I didn’t find anything inaccurate in any of his videos.Some idiots just have a chip on their shoulder against walkability, and they start screeching when you mention NJB because he tells the truth.
I’m still waiting for someone to make a single logical rebuttal to anything in any of his videos.
>>1953646I've been in the London metro where in many places it's like only 10% white and still it feels pretty safe, people just mind their own business.>>1954407Also this, if your racist argument is true, it will make it more evident for everyone else.
>>1955064I would love to see one of these videos actually. Americans need to accept that their cities where designed to segregate non-white people and make billions of dollars in profit for the Ford Motor Company and General Motors.
>>1955480anon you aren't going to change anyone's mind on this board by saying something is bad for non whites, you have to phrase it in a more "based" way>capitalist jews subverted traditional values and city design in order to destroy cooperative values of western society and force people to rely on corporate jewish overlords for their transportation, food and leisure and destroying the health of white people.
>>1955164Not an argument
>>1955480So if you're not even willing to entertain the idea that the creation of suburbs weren't some racist conspiracy that was propelled by the oil industry, why should anyone dedicate the time and energy to try to debate that?
He just says true things about transportation and cities. Some people have an agenda so they don’t like when he speaks the truth.
>>1950904The guy is from London Ontario, of course he creams his pants at anything with the slightest semblance of planning put into it
>>1950904>he deleted the two recent Instagram videos about the Msheireb walkable, bikeable, traffic-calmed, dense development with LRT everywhere in Doha, Qatar after getting flamed for celebrating infrastructure built with slave labour by terminally online SJWskek
>>1957510Wait, NJB is from london? Because there's an annoying urbanism spammer here who is also from london ontario. What is it about people in remote shit holes that makes them so fixated on telling people in cities how they should live?
>>1957841London is the epitome of post-industrial shit hole, and every piece of infrastructure, including stroads, are in disrepair. It has worse crime rate than Toronto despite having 1/12 of the population.
>>1957849I don't know how it works in canada but in the us it's long been understood that conservative places that all productive people fled from are much more violent than the liberal places where there's an actual job market and basic first world amenities such as transit
>>1955480>>1955579Never attribute competency to what is incompetency. Suburbia was created by idiots who failed to understand that centralization would not stop. At the first stage its fine, the problem is when you have several waves of centralization following it meaning the sprawl and commute times keeps fucking stretching and stretching. And eventually the repair costs are astronomical.
>>1957851London area has four federal MPs, and three are NDP (basically Bernie Sanders party with strong ties to trade union) and one Conservative (basically Hillary Clinton Democrats with the left-idpol swapped out for right-idpol). London is a shit hole because it's where all the factories used to be, and there's nothing the local government can do to reverse the tide of high finance vultures stripping manufacturing companies in the west and moving the lines to Asia for instant profit. Same story as the formerly 100% Democratic-voting American Midwest mid-sized cities.
>>1957853>And eventually the repair costs are astronomical.This old nuggetGo ahead and post that .jpg. You know the one.
>>1957840it actually looks pretty good from an urbanist perspective, except that the tram will go right through pedestrianized streets and thus will be slow as molasses.
>>1957865>This old nuggetit's true though? increased distance=increased cost, you can't offhandedly dismiss that.
>>1957958Distance of what?
>>1950908why would he have such huge viewership if nobody could relate to the problems he discusses and wants to fix?
>>1957998I'm never going to watch your vlog.
>>1957988sprawl basically, increasing distance between buildings, especially when they're low in density, increases cost. you need more kilometers of road, power lines, water and sewage pipes etc etc. it increases travel times, costs more to adequately service the area, and increases the cost of repairs and maintenance to roads and such.
>>1958008>when they're low in density, increases costWhat is more expensive in a suburb than a city?Aside from that, suburban cities rarely if ever approach the geographical size of their parent cities.
>>1958010>What is more expensive in a suburb than a city?well road maintenance for one, like i just said. there's more road surface serving less people. thus the municipality has a smaller tax base but more expenses in terms of road repair and maintenance. same goes for all kinds of services.
>>1958046>>1957865>Go ahead and post that .jpg. You know the one.Ahh there it is. I've been seeing you post it for so long but it never gets old!Weird how suburban cities (except maybe for East St. Louis and Gary, Indiana) spend less on road maintenance than their parent cities and still have better roads to show for it.>same goes for all kinds of services.Such as?
>>1951494this is why Melbourne has a very strong futurethe city is mostly grid structured, with only a few suburbs that are fuckylargest tram network in the world that could keep expanding as long as there's public goodwill towards itcurrently at 5 million people and projected to hit 9 million by mid century
>>1958056>Weird how suburban cities (except maybe for East St. Louis and Gary, Indiana) spend less on road maintenanceyeah no shit they spend less on road maintenance because there are less people living there, are you going to post any kind of statistic showing lower per capita spending in those areas to disprove that image or no?
>>1958336>It's your job to disprove my cherry picked "data" from an old jpg I've been posting for most of a decade that only applies to a single city in Nova ScotiaNo
>>1958056>>1958351>it's another episode of anon doesn't understand what 'per capita' means
>>1958364I do. I just don't rely on cherry-picked "data" in a decade-old jpg from a single city in Nova Scotia of all places.
>>1958368>cherry picked>Nova Scotia of all placesyou can do this comparison for any city anywhere>decade-old has suburban roadwork magically become significantly cheaper than urban roadwork since then? if not, the cost difference is still explained by the amount of asphalt compared to people served by it.meanwhile you present no source at all, and elect to completely ignore the costs per capita which actually matters.
>>1958377NTA, but road maintenance cost depends heavily use and build quality. A residential street that serves a dozen houses is going to see less use than a street that services thousands of residents, and wear & tear will be less significant.
>>1958377>you can do this comparison for any city anywhereThen why don't you do that instead of posting the same image over and over?>meanwhile you present no source at allPosting an image isn't a source>elect to completely ignore the costs per capita which actually mattersNot falling for your straw manCome up with a better argument. I tell you this every time you break out halifax.jpg. The site it's from is so old it's now a placeholder for some real estate blog.
>>1950904He is an unlikable gay-voiced detriment to the cause and his channel should be striked. But then name a yter that isn't?
>>1958690why is the gay voice so common in north americans who aren't even gay? is it inherent to a specific region? in my country you would get bullied to death speaking like that and like 80% of urbanist youtubers do it. "oh the urbanity" is the most egregious, unlistenable.
>>1958744Don't hate the player, hate the game. If you lost the dice roll and were assigned male at birth, you get two choices: be perceived as an aggressive toxic macho type and constantly be walking on eggshells around women, or be perceived as a nonthreatening effete feminine type. It's one or the other.Given that the first option isn't particularly likely to get you laid anyway, and is increasingly likely to get you fired from your job (or worse), more and more amabs are choosing the second option. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. It's also less stressful in your sex life. Instead of playing a dangerous game of "creep or loser", you can simply opt out. Given the hypergamous nature of modern society where the top 4% of the population gets 97% of the sex, you weren't going to win anyway. And if you're lucky enough to have a suitable body type for dressing in the right kinds of clothing, you might even be able to enjoy sex with that 4% of the population, just in a way you weren't led to expect when your parents taught you about the birds and the bees.You can tell the NJB guy was once in a position to do this, though whether he figured it out in time is anyone's guess. At any rate, it is too late for him now.
>>1951167During the police riots in NYC in 2020, they were beating people up at random for looking like they were in the "wrong" neighborhood, there's tons of videos on this. Per the mayor, no brown in town
>>1958690>>1958744It's a generational thing. I only hear millennials and zoomers do it. It's way too common, personally I find it grating because I know most of them tried to start talking that way
>>1958777i wish this was true and institutions worked like that. the question is if they wanted there to be no brownoids why import them? why not sterilize the ones that are here now?>>1958782there is no fucking way they do it on purpose. i can't fathom that. i know people who take on leftist talking points in urban settings to get pussy but to make yourself sound weak and effeminate on purpose is too far out man.
>>1958795Because 1. it's not all controlled by the same person, and 2. no one legitimately wants no brownoids, they just want the brownoids to stay in "their" neighborhoods except when given permission to come into manhattan below 96th and do work for the white people
>>1958744The muted man has always been with us. Civilization is what saved the human race. So the over civilized gay voice the run away effect. Like dannies of the Victorian era. It's all to sound non threatening. As a very masculine sounding , the bullshit from it never ends.There is a doc called "Do I Sound Gay," and the gayest sounding straight dude was raised by women.
I have never seen a logical rebuttal to anything in NJB’s videos.
I live in a very hilly city, thankfully I live, study and work near the river, so I could see myself riding a bike in order to commute (And after today's morning traffic I am looking into it but I seriously doubt it is safe with how car-centric this place is). However, how are people living uphill meant to commute? I keep hearing Netherlands-this and Netherlands that, but siswet's dildos are about the highest geographical features in that country, what is /n/ answer to a slight incline? Just curious
>>1959551Probably because nobody with a working brain can sit through the whole thing without dry heavingt. the /n/imby you're always calling a cagetroll
>>1950904NoCompared to what? America? Yeah 100% Ireland/Denmark/Sweden/Austria etc.? About the sameYes.I went to Amsterdam thinking it was going to be this cycling haven and I honestly felt safer where I live. The issue with Amsterdam is just how dense it is, you've got generally about 20~50 cyclists in a lane going 15~20 mph all passing you, weaving, joining lanes etc.With a car traffic iit generally moves either fairly slow or inconsistent while on a bike it moves rapid and consistent. I'm sure when you're used to it, it's fine but google about and most people are surprised by how bad Amsterdam actually is for cycling.The rest of Netherlands is 10/10 tho for it.
>>1959705>However, how are people living uphill meant to commute?Just get an ebike, I don't live up a hill luckily and if I did I would probably just cycle it anyway.There is literally nothing wrong with an ebike unless you're a lycra fapping cunt.
>>1950904>shilling neoclassical architecture top-down planned cityHe's one LSD trip away from becoming an Albert Speer-flavor fascist and calling for TND so that everyone else can ride the subway without fear.
>>1960293Pretty sure his followers are picking up on the subtext without him needing to spell it out for them and get demonetized or whatever the fuck they call it
>>1951585>and better rail than most countries.Do you even know bout Dutch intercity 4?Why are you such a liar?
>>1960329>intercity 4not that anon but what is that? i can't find anything when i google it. are you talking about the VIRM IV? what's wrong with it?>>1960294>>1960293NJB doesn't seem redpilled on the demographic issue at all sadly
>>1960334That's just one of the many names the scam corporation has run around Europe with.https://www.railjournal.com/passenger/high-speed/ansaldobreda-and-ns-reach-settlement-in-v250-dispute/I always cringe when European brag about their dysfunctional trains.
>>1960335not sure what you're trying to say, the article is about NS being scammed by italians a decade ago. the thalys between amsterdam and brussel runs just fine and same goes for the ICNG thus far.>That's just one of the many names the scam corporation has run around Europe with.ansaldobreda you mean? that isn't a dutch corp.
>>1960337>runs just fineThere are eastern european countries with better trains than the shithole you're advertising in this thread.
>>1960338ok so you're not making an informed argument, just being butthurt. could've started with that.
>>1960340Who is the butthurt one really?>we're totally better than most countries>t-they run just fine!
>>1960342i never said that dutch transit was better than most countries, switzerland and japan for example do it much better. regional transit is also mediocre. but i don't see what point you're trying to make and you're being deliberately unclear about it. -you started talking about "intercity 4" which you still haven't clarified or elaborated on, -then you linked something about the fyra, the failure of which was the fault of italian company ansaldobreda not keeping their promises, -then you said something about a scam corporation running around europe not clarifying what that is, -and now you're claiming that the thalys and ICNG are bad with no evidence whatsoever. please clarify each of these statements instead of ignoring questions and bringing up different things every post.
>>1960345>i never said that dutch transit was better than most countries,Then why did you interject for the guy who said exactly this? Retard?
>>1960346because i wanted to know what the fuck "intercity 4" is supposed to be and you still haven't told me you obnoxious faggot. STOP saying random shit and elaborate or fuck off.
>>1960347Right here>>1960335 retardJust how dumb are you?
>>1960348now we're getting somewhere, the fyra was not referred to as intercity 4 at any point whatsoever but fine. now your next point, the scam corporation. is that referring to ansaldobreda or not?you said "t-they run just fine!" in response to the post about the ICNG and thalys, implying they don't. what is your source for this?
>>1960349>now we're getting somewhere,But you're still a dumbfuck who doesn't understand their trains are assigned different names to different client. You're braindead, man, how do you even survive in this world?
>>1960350it's okay buddy, you can just admit you were wrong and unwilling to defend or clarify the dumb, disjointed arguments you were making.
>>1960351You went butthurt asbergers when I called your trains shit. That's because I was right.
>>1960352you sound emotional anon, asking for clarification on a claim is not going "butthurt asbergers". having a meltdown when somebody asks you to elaborate on your argument however is. i'm not invested in the quality of dutch infrastructure and i don't care whether you think dutch trains are "shit" or not. i'm asking you to clearly elaborate on the things you are saying. i'll try a last time: -what is your source on the fyra being referred to as "intercity 4"?- what is the "scam corporation going around europe"?-what is wrong with the thalys and ICNG? do you think they're versions of the fyra or made by ansaldobreda?
>>1960355That's a lot of text for a retard who is butthurt when his trains are called shit.But there is no way around it, you are objectively a retard.
>I get board if I'm in a city with less than 500,000 people for more than 3 days - city nerd"Urbanist" youtubers are fucktarded "ironic" sarcasm-addled hipsters that need a bullet more than they need a bullet train.
>Is this guy for real? yes>Or is he paid for by the Dutch government to promote the country?no, the dutch government hates their country>Is the country really that good?yes>Is these videos true or just marketing and lies?its all true but he (pureposefully) ignores the real reason why the netherlands is this way and why it would never work abroadbut despite living in the best country in the world, dutch people will still endlessly bicker and complaint. dutch
>>1959707>I use bike rentals therefore my arguments can't be disprovenretard
>>1959705ebike, walking, something called public transportation which can go up hills actually.
>>1959705This post is hilariously retarded.