and aviation generallyskychicken edition
>>1910466Can those be put on floats?
>>1910466Instructor bros I'm at a bit of an impasse. I got my commercial license recently and I've been studying for the FIA written and flying some checkride maneuvers in the right seat but I'm struggling formulate a clear plan with how to proceed. My current flight school is a mom and pop operation whose two remaining instructors are quitting in a week and being replaced by 3 brand new instructors fresh out of college. I'm sure they'd be fine to practice maneuvers with but I'm concerned about the quality of ground schooling in preparation to be an actual instructor. Would you trust brand new instructors to teach you how to be an instructor? What alternatives would you recommend?
>>1910483rumored to be the plan eventually. how long is anyone's guess.
>>1910483Be the first to STC it and make some moolah.
>>1910484You'll be fine. Seriously at this point its all in your control. These new guys all just completed the tests, they know what it takes to pass. I wouldn't fuck with it now desu.
>>1910487nice try fbi
>>1910487You have to be 16 to solo and 17 for ppl. But I think you can start training at any age. For a glider license it’s 14. It costs around $15k to get a ppl these days. Also underage b&.
>>1910483costs 3x as much as a Twotter...
>>1910487>I am 15fShow bob open pusi baby do not redeem the card
>>1910484if you're that autistic about it then you could go to a two-week 'Academy' but you have to show up with FIA+FOI written done and be proficient in the right seat then it's a firehose, but like >>1910488said, if they just took the checkride they probably know what the DPE wants to see...>>1910487get a medical first, then take the written, THEN take your discovery flight. 3rd Class for unerageb& should be $100ish, you'll find out if you have any disqualifying conditions and if you get to experience the joy of a waiver process that has not improved in half a century, do King, Sportys, or Rod Machado's ground school and take the written, software+test should be like $250. CONSISTENCY is key, don't worry if you don't get maneuvers or scanning 100% out the gate, the key is to fly at least once a week so you don't have to relearn things (and spend more $$$), the sooner you solo the sooner you can schedule a checkride the less time you have to do laps in the pattern burning cash
Nobody is ready for the emotional toll of powered lift Cessna 182
>>1910543Going from 6GPH to 60GPH. Man that would be a fun 20 minutes before the quick decent.
>>1910543why bother keeping the tractor engine?
>>1910487This is an 18+ website.
>>1910543I liked the second modification better
1100 hour cfii here. What's my job prospects right now? Vibe from all the airlines seems like regional hiring is gonna be really slow for at least the rest of the year. I'd really like to be flying something cooler than shitbox trainer after this summer. I'm not picky but I hear as long as I build twin turbine time, that is valuable.
>>1910487go back to /pol/ and post your frogs kid
the pilot career path is one massive tucking Ponzi scheme of cfis teaching people to be cfis and I don’t want any part of it. I fucking hate cfis, I hate pilots who think they’re an expert or an authority on anything when experienced pilots like them are dropping like flies every year. Biggest demotivator for me in my training is the idea that I have to be a cfi. Fuck that. I’ll go to south Dakota and inspect power lines for a year. Ready for the hate reply’s I don’t care what you think I’m right. This career is molding self absorbed psychopaths who think they’re invincible or “they wouldn’t do that” when the reality is GA small airplanes is no different than sitting in the trenches in the battle of somme. Cfis “experts” in my area have died in crashes. 25000 hour professional pilots have died in GA in my area in the last year. Every time one of these local tragities is brought up with a cfi at my school they always snark and imply that that person messed up or they would never do that. No one is humble no one wants to accept that we’re rolling dice everytime we go up. I’m hate cfis I hate how every one pretends and LIES that they do it because they “love teaching” and arnt just doing it to move up in a literal prymind scheme career path. People don’t like a dishonest person like that. I will pursue every path to not participate in this gay cfi jerkfest and will look into flying a twin in Somalia over this bullshit
>>1910621you've been talking to bad cfi's. If there's anything I've learned over my flying career is that no one is immune to the hazardous attitudes. Saying "I would'nt do that" or "who would make that obviously bad decision" is naive and ignorant. read more accident investigations and the scariest takeaway is not "wow these accidents are gruesome" it is realizing "I wouldve made the same decisions in that situation".you've realized something most don't until their career is over. be a better pilot. and don't feel bad about not becoming a CFI. you don't need it to be a better and safer pilot. what you need is the enlightened realization that you are human and you are flawed and GA is dangerous as fuck.
>>1910621Me personally, I wouldn’t make those mistakes so I simply wouldn’t die. You sound like a bitch though and will eventually probably end up being a cfi lmao
>>1910621>I’ll go to south Dakota and inspect power lines for a year.Sorry but you need 750 tt for that now.
I'm 35 and just got my CPL single engine; about 300 hrs TT. Should I CFI and try to go for the airlines? Can I still have a decent career?
>>1910633GA isn't dangerous. It's lack of training, education and hazardous attitudes that make it so. It is evident that a lot of pilots aren't properly trained and only do things to "pass a check ride." Once they get their ticket they become complacent, macho, anti-authority, impulsive or feel invincible. Getting a PPL should be a lot more difficult that it actually is and the re-current training should be much stricter. Unfortunately, many CFIs seem to skip over the whole "molding the next generation of aviation citizens" thing as they rush towards the airlines.
>>1910658Stfu you aren’t Cfi, go get your 100$ hamburger and do your 1 hour a month
>>1910660How does not being a CFI negate anything I've said?
>>1910658>Unfortunately, many CFIs seem to skip over the whole "molding the next generation of aviation citizens" thing as they rush towards the airlines.It's because most cfi's are basically kids who don't even have fully developed brains yet. There should be a minimum age of 30 for cfi's and that will fix the problem. The industry will have to find another pipeline to get pilots to build hours or lower the atp minimums but it will benefit everyone in the end to have only highly experienced pilots who actually want to teach as cfi's.
I did CDL work for years before getting in the cockpit and GA is like 1% as sketchy as truck driving. you guys need some serious perspective. if you dont run into weather or out of fuel you are very unlikely to have any problems, compare that to the roads which are basically a nonstop shitshow of aggressive/impaired drivers, bad infrastructure and zero barriers to people getting and keeping their licenses.but I know this just another petulant debt-ridden early twenty-something who just wants to skip the line and go straight to the airlines because they think they're entitled to that. like the "1500 hours is bullshit" argument. its maybe correct at face level, but what the real motivator behind the complaints is their own personal career interest and once they get what they want they'll shut up and forget they ever cared.>>1910656are you an otherwise good candidate? good work history, college degree, good interview skills? if so go for it, you'll skip the line a bit. if not you should still be able to top out but it will be an extremely humbling experience working with people in the pipeline much younger than you who are further along. that'll last like ten years.
>>1910667>you'll skip the line a bitNot that anon, but I'm also 35 and working on my ppl with the goal of going to the airlines one day. How exactly would I be able to skip the line? If anything wouldn't I be at a disadvantage because of my age?
>>1910670its a corporate job bro. they want you to be a good corporate citizen, so show them the same shit any corporation wants to see. college degrees, consistent work history, community/workplace involvement makes you more appealing.you wont be able to just go from CFI'ing in 172's to majors, but if you have most of your 15000 hours in turbos or better yet jets hours you can skip the regionals with the right resume and a great interview. and the thing is you should be able to lean on that resume and those same interview skill to get you a better job in that 750-800 hr range than CFI'ing.if you don't have this stuff they'll still be happy to have you, seriously if you break into an airline at forty-five they still get twenty good years out of you, but it will be a brutal slog through the regionals working with literal children and living like a college student.
>>1910677>living like a college studentI thought regionals paid well now? I'm looking at their profiles on airlinepilotcentral and most of them are paying $90k starting for first officers. Even the lowest paying one (air wisconsin) is still $60k which is a decent salary. It's the CFI part I'm more worried about because the pay there is literal poverty wage, but I made sure to save up enough money to live off of for at least a year so I can augment my pay with that.
>>1910681Its the lifestyle. The regional lifestyle is very rough, and keep in mind most people at the regionals are trying to pay down huge loans they took out.If you're debt free though? Probably not so bad. Like I said working with twenty-something year old zoomer captains might get on your nerves, but you're not that old and your attitude is what you make of it.Its up to you, I'm just telling you that thirty-five is not too old to be starting out. You don't really want to be much older than that though.
>>1910560one thirty five
>>1910687>working with twenty-something year old zoomer captains might get on your nervesAnything beats the pure hell of interacting with middle management retards in an office job. I'd rather listen to broccoli haired zoomers talk about their favorite rap music all day than ever have to sit in another meeting listening to a diversity hire who's never written a single line of code in their life tell me how I'm supposed to be doing my job as a programmer while living in daily fear that street shitting pajeet or an AI could replace me at any moment.
Sooo cellular iPad, or ADS-B?
SOVL
FUCK YOKES!!! I WANNA MANHANDLE A STICK SITTING BETWEEN MY LEGS!!!!
Is failing the commercial ride on a power off 180 the end of my career?
>>1910658blame congress for the cfis that just want flight hours. it's still the best and fastest way to build time
>>1910750>Counterpoint-More SOVL.
>>1910755I want to fly on the A380 so bad bros
>>1910652These hour requirements are getting outrageous. "Pilot shortage," "the industry is hurting for pilots," my ass.
>>1910753 Failing a checkride is no big deal, you'll be asked about it on your interviews but just be humble, explain what you learned from re-testing, and you'll be fine. *Don't* blame your examiner, instructor, etc... in the interview. The blame is on you and you alone, even if that's not true. Did you get more than one attempt on your power off 180? I know the ACS says that you're only allowed one attempt but I've heard some examiners will just count it as a go-around or short field landing and let you attempt again.
>2 of 3 airplanes in my fleet down for extended maintenance>Constant shit ass winds in the high altitude desert>Barely been working at all, the schedule that I completely filled with students is just constantly getting dunked onGod I fucking hate being a CFI bros someone end my suffering
>>1910842So do you just not make money when you don't fly?
>>1910845Yep
>people could literally buy a wwii surplus p51 mustang for under $10,000 (inflation adjusted) in the early 1950’s>In current year, 30 year old Cessna Skyhawks easily fetch $150,000 and new ones are half a millionWhat went so horribly wrong?
>>1910931Government corruption.
After Russia collapses I'll be able to get a cheap helicopter off an auction of military equipment seizures, right?r-right?
>corrupt mayor unilaterally decides to break federal law and secretly destroy an entire airport in the middle of the nightWhy didn't he see any prison time for this? This is one of the most brazen political crimes in history and there was absolutely no punishment for it and he even won reelection after this.
why is it that for the vast majority of pilots it's either you get a career as a pilot (airlines or whatever) or you just wageslave? like for me and for so many others i've spoken to about it it's literally a case of "this is the only thing i have any care for doing"either you fly planes or you just wageslave at some basic bitch job/cdl slop
>>1911351>stupid, noisy airport that could never be expanded to be actually usefulglad its gone. the lakefront should be public, that's been the plan for over a hundred years. there are plenty of airports in the area to use that are on land nobody cares about. what they've replaced this with is a vast, vast improvement and I'm glad Daley did it.
>>1911351I liked playing MSFS as much as anyone but general aviation is a crime against humanity and he did literally nothing wrong
>>1911369i mean that's kind of how it works. I'm sure doctors and lawyers don't feel that much differently.But I have long advocated for pilots to get their A&P as a backup, since aviation knowledge does carry over and you really never know when you'll be able pass your last first class medical. Do it while you build hours. Staying current on it is a minor headache, way overblown. It does suck that you need an IA to do annuals on your own plane though.
>>1911369Working as an airline pilot is wageslaving. Ask me, I know.
>>1910700they're not mutually exclusive, you'll need a Sentry for ADS-B-In anyway
>>1911374unironically kill yourself
>>1911460You first
>>1911374>I like first person shooters but nobody should be allowed to own gunsThis is what you sound like, faggot.
>>1911466I don't think nobody should be allowed to own guns, but I do think nobody should be able to buy anything beyond a lever rifle, a revolver, and a pump action shotgun. I don't like murder simulators. They're just not very interesting.
>>1911431depends on the airline i'd guess. or at least regionals. but into the future i think there'll be more ways to skip them, whether it's cadet programs or whatever else
>>1911471I work for one of the big three, and I also have never worked for the regionals. It's all a wageslave job that has the prospect of getting better over time
>>1911472how did you skip the regionals? military?
>>1911473Part 135 turboprop flying, I am 100% civilian. My first jet was a B737
>>1911474how long did it take you to make that jump from 135 to 121
>>1911480I (like many suckers in aviation) was sold a noble lie that 'working for this chosen shit-tier operator for X years, Y hours and Z hoops to jump through will get you a job at the big leagues and you'll skip a decade of waiting in exchange for hard work upfront'. Meanwhile I was overworked, underpaid and lost tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of dollars in lost opportunity at a regional/ULCC while I awaited my turn to the big leagues, not to mention lack of jet time, or days off provided by better operators. When I found out the "Deal had changed" I immediately jumped ships to a 121 jet job, and within a year I was at a Big 3 airline. Over 4 years (some non-flying) wasted of my life that will never come back.tl;dr a little more than 3 years of actual Part 135 flying before moving to Part 121, but until the very end I wasn't trying to move on. I have a buddy who was in the same group and he's also at a Big 3 airline, and he never even made an initial jump to 121. He went direct from Part 135 turboprop to Big 3 SIC when our deal soured. Most other "alum" are relatively adrift or never left the Part 135 operator because the "regionals are below them". A side note, I always say Operator because by definition, an Airline is only under Part 121. Don't fall for flows, it's all a lie.
>>1911374Explain your reasoning and then promptly stop breathing
>>1911374Cope. Owning your own personal plane is the ultimate endgame of the American Dream and the pinnacle of human freedom.
>>1911431>>1911472>>1911484I’m sick of hearing you faggots with these extremely cushy jobs and more lifetime earning potential than fucking doctors whine about how hard your life is. You get paid a wage that’s 10x higher than what the average person makes to sit in a chair and do nothing for 99% of your day and all you do is complain about it. Get a grip and realize that you’re living life on easy mode compared to literally everyone else.
>>1911544Damn, word? Why should I care about you my dude, because you're poor AND you work hard?lmao
about 10 days from my final check for command upgrade (on a320)feeling meh
>>1911544Especially that fag who says he skipped regionals and went straight to 737s in a major. Cool flex, but you still did 135 time for years and you hit it during the most lax airline requirements have been in years.
>>1911553>AirbusGay, into the trash it goes
I've been thinking of getting a CPL H, but the problem is, doing that in my country (switzerland) costs something like 175k $ (with Mountain and night training as well as type rating on a trubine heli, accodring to one flight school here)So my question is would it be sensible to just get the PPL first to get a foot in the door of some heli companies?
>>1911524>avg burger mortgage is $400k+>access to HOA grass strip probably commands at least $100k+ premium >piper apache minimum $200k+>piper cherokee 180 $100k+>2x annual, 2x insurance, engine overhaul fund, $7 100LL>multiple high-end SUV's $50k x 2bro has probably close to $1MM in assets, monthly costs must be close to $20k if he doesn't have kids or other debts
>>1911603they can't pay you...
>>1911524that must be the most insufferable HOA on the planet, they probably SWAT you for having the wrong brand of car in the driveway
>>1911610what do you mean with that?
>>1911635a private pilot cannot be compensated for flying, period, hence "private". you need a commercial license to be paid to fly, ever.
>>1910840i've failed 3 checkrides including my intial type rating checkride and i still have a job so..
>>1911624Judging by how poorly maintained the grass and curb is, I'd say it's the exact opposite and they let you do whatever the fuck you want.
What's the shortest height a pilot can be?
>>19116584'8"
Am I at a disadvantage for learning to fly with dual G5's instead of an analog HSI? I never learned how to do wind correction manually because I just follow the wind corrected track on the G5 HSI and I honestly don't even see how it's possible to fly without it.
>>1911636I know, i was asking if i should make the PPL to try and get some connections to the Helicopter scene in my country to try and get a job and do the CPL then the job could be something like a mechanic too, i got some experience working with aircraft, just not the license
>>1911609Reminder $30k in 1970 is equivalent to $256,000 today.
>>1911369Because aviation is an autistic pursuit and autists always focus all their energy into one thing and don't care about anything else.
>>1911544>more lifetime earning potential than doctorsdefinitely untrue. you aren't approaching median MD salary until you get to the very high end of the career progression and you can lose your medical in the blink of an eye.i like flying, I think people should be grateful to be able to do it and for it to pay as well as it does, but don't get memed into thinking this is some stable career. 99.9999% of doctors or lawyers who lose their licenses did it to themselves, pilots can do everything right and have one medical episode in their forties then lose it all.
I'm colorblind. The severity seems pretty baseline just in my empircal experience, I can differentiate colors but not very well. Things like traffic signals are no problem, but I know for sure I cannot pass the test.But my understanding is that there are enough workarounds that its really not a barrier to any sort of civil pilot career. Military is a different story, but I'm not looking for that.Should I do this /n/? Does color vision really matter that much? A lot of advice I read online says I would be putting people's lives at risk, is that actually true?
>>1911820If you can get a medical then you're good. Maybe just have a chat with an AME before scheduling an appointment and see what he says.
>>1911803The median lifetime earnings of a doctor are $6.5 million. For pilots it's something like $13 million.
Had the skill tests for the ME/IR and CPL a few days ago and finished the ATPL theory exams today. Inshallah starting the A320 TR next month.LETS FUCKING GO feels so good to be European, flying the Airbus with 200TT
>>1911828>For pilots it's something like $13 million.lmao no it isn't
>>1911672>just stand on L/R rudder for most of the flight if WA is over 10ktthe point was more to show that you knew you'd drift, not that you'd be bang-on ETA every time>>1911676IDK what the Euro A&P deal is but you're better off getting all your ratings and networking while you do them than just hanging out at the airfield shooting the shit, even if they like you there's a limit to what they can let you do>>1911680I'm assuming he's the 2nd or 3rd owner, that Apache is primo
>>1911855https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oBJOP8nMqCXzbaN3u3CKxLiz_avVkYFB8OaEemZVDXE
>>1911828Joe Pilot:>-$40-60k in ratings>may or may not have a degree>Y1/Y2: CFI, $14-30k>Y3/Y4: 135 Dawg, if he's lucky Regional FO, $30-80k>Y5-Y7: Regional FO/Regional CA, $60-130k>Y8-Y10: ULCC/ACMI FO, $80-160k>Y11-Y16: Nat'l/Legacy NB FO, $90-175k>Y17-Y20: Nat'l/Legacy NB CA, $210-275k>Gets fuzzy if there's no WB payscale>MUST stop flying 121 at age 65, do not pass go, do not collect $200vsJoe Doctor:>-$15-100k Undergrad>-$100-350k Med School>Y1-Y3+ Resident $70-90k>Y3-Death Attending $150-500kAssuming you get to the regionals/high-end 135 job before you're 30, you have a hard limit of 35 years of career earnings before you age out; doctors don't start residency until they're 24-30, but they can continue to practice until they're physically unable, and have opportunities to buy into private practices that earn them more than the $250k+ average salary.>t. regional pilot, brother is MD
>>1911860lmao you're fucking retarded, you can't hold an ATP until you're 23 and literally zero 121 carriers have the payscale jumps you show per year
>>1911664IMAGINE
>>1911864Ok then here’s a chart with the actual current numbers someone posted on reddit. You absolutely can make $13 million after 25 years at delta, and close to $20 million if you count 401k contributions. I don’t think you understand just how much the pilot shortage has increased wages in the industry lately.
>>1911895Alright so lets say the absolute latest you could start flight school and achieve this is 35. that's assuming you're a quality candidate that can go straight to a major, it would be tight but not unrealistic.that's 55 first class medicals you have to pass at minimum. and if you think dr bruce can bail you out, well he's well past retirement age and barely taking new clients now anyways (you'd have to woo him on POA or have one hell of a story). that's 55 games of russian roulette, you can eat right to improve your odds, but one incident or one bad medical for something non-trivial can happen to literally anybody and then its all over.suffice to say medical professionals (really just doctors, PA's, NP's) and lawyers can lose their licenses, but 99.9999% of the time its because of their own malfeasance and not for reasons outside their control. these people can work forever and nothing can really stop them.don't be a pilot if you don't have a backup plan. that's all im saying. that and don't go counting career earnings when all it takes is one fluke drop in blood pressure from standing up too quickly (seriously, this can cause you to faint) for it to all come crashing down.
>>1911904The only things AME’s actually test for is heart disease and diabetes. Basically just don’t be a fat fuck and you’ll be fine.
>>1911906you cant fool an ECG the same way you can just zen out and get past the rudimentary blood pressure and pulse screenings.
>>1910931>What went so horribly wrong?Litigation is baked into aircraft prices. When Joe the pilot crashes his 1980 C182 and the family decides to sue the manufacturer or aircraft, they have to hire a lawyer to defend themselves and they usually get nothing out of it once the legal battle is over.
>Here’s your new cockpit bro
>>1912028Why does everything have to be fucking touch screens now? What happened to good old knobs and buttons?
>>1912028Using a touch screen in even light turbulence is a fucking nightmare man screw this trend
>>1912058>>1912055Luddites.
>>1911895jesus fucking christ where are these ledditors finding these numbers?>jej let's all be WB CA's at Y3>the payscale doesn't top out at Y12Y2 FO at DAL is $136/hr, 72 hr ALV 136 x 72 x 12 = $126k
>>1912101This is their new contract. 737 captains start at 350 now. That google doc is probably also accounting for future pay raises keeping with the rate of inflation.
>>1912106immediate upgrades on the 717 and 220 in NYC are an anomaly and upgrade times are going to go back to 5ish years for NB fleets
help me out hereim flying planes in europe, i wanna fly planes in the USeurope PISSES Me the FUCK offi cannot deal with the taxes and the fucking regulations and all of that im a FREE BIRD and i need FREEDOMwhat do i do?
>>1912106>pay is different for A21N/321/320/319>pay is different for B764, 763, 762, and 752Aren't those two examples under a common type rating? Why would the pay be different?
>>1912055>Why does everything have to be fucking touch screens now?Cheaper and lighter.
>>1912349there's some union autism that they have to have payscales for any aircraft they could feasibly fly, DAL has never had E190s on property and the 717 is going away soon too. 737-900/800 and A318/19/20/21/21XLR fly different types of trips, i.e. 321's do a lot more transcons and high density trips versus 319s that do more "regional style" flying.
Had a great day of flying, practiced some poweroff short field landings and short field takeoffs. Even more fun had a 10 knot crosswind that kept me on my toes. Fuck I love flying.
If cessna 172's can run on mogas, why the fuck is my flight school paying like $7/gal for avgas instead of $3.50 for 91 octane mogas? Why is anyone still using avgas at all?
>>1911909How much more strict do 1st class medical become? I'm under 40 and the test was taking my heart beat and asking me how many fingers were held up. I see a bunch of out of shape legacy pilots ambling around terminals. It's not like you need to be an athlete to do this job.
>>1912628you got your 1st class? do they blood test?
>>1912621I would guess availability. Blue gas is readily available at most towered airports.
>>1912621KMTH charges ten. It’s so fucking hilarious.
>>1912676No. It was heart beat, half assed eye test and I had to pee in a cup. That was it. Took 15 minutes total and cost me ~$200.
>>1912055cheaper, lighter and programmable
>>1912359the 717 is not going away soon, in fact DL is pulling as many as they can back on to the line just to cover summer flying. Maybe relative to the length of a 30 year career sure they'll be gone soon, but next few years they're gonna be the backbone of Delta's transition away from reliance on regional flying.
Bros my CPL check ride is in 10 days. I am flying great but my nerves are getting worst as the date approaches. Why the fuck does the FAA have to make these so fucking stressful? I don't want to bust this thing after being like $50k in the hole.
>>1912359It's not autism, it's the union being based and abusing a loophole for concessions. >Company tries to bring on iirc A350 or something without a payscale>union says we wont fly without a pay scale>union can hold the new planes hostage and sitting with no pilots while they crank up the pay demands>planes that sit are MASSIVE revenue sinkholes>Company now fucking pissed and henceforth negotiates pay scales well in advanced of any eventuality so they dont have to make concessions so all the legacies with regional feeds got the commuter jets on the payscale in the eventuality that the regionals get stapled or something to mainline.Also why DAL has the 787 on the top of the payscale even though that Boeing contract fell out long ago in favor of Airbus but fuck it we negotiated it so why get rid of it just incase?
>>1911552I never said I went straight to a major, there are plenty of non-major 737 operators my man. My whole speech includes the fact that I spent wasted years in Part 135, don't think i've forgotten. kys, I'm trying to help anons see the value in other sides of the coin, especially if they don't want to CFI for their whole CPL-1500 grind.>>1911820Get a SODA (Statement of Demonstrated Ability). It's not called that anymore, but get the current version of it. No, I won't google it for you.
>>1912749why the fuck do i remember it requiring EKG and blood test for a 1st class?
i hope to god cadet programs become the new norm this decade. i do NOT want to spend a fucking half decade at a regional. idc if i'm contractually binded to a particular airline for a minimum number of flight hours, especially if i manage to get into my career destination via the program anyway. please god
>>1913355I don’t understand the point of these cadet programs. They still make you pay for all the training yourself, and you have to do it at some overpriced flight school that costs twice as much as other schools. Seems like a shitty deal to me.
>>1913362assuming they refine them or something i guess. really as long as at least LCCs start taking people at ATP mins thing should get better
Why is this thread always dead while reddit has a thriving pilot community with hundreds of threads being posted daily? You would think the politics of 4chan would attract more pilots than that liberal shithole.
>>1913374>Top Posts from the Past Month>TikTok and Twitter shit>live-blogging about asshat FBOs and shops>”DUDE THING JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE”>third world airline fucks up>*tee hee look at me totally flying in a picturesque locale*Wow, great community. You should go back
Did my commercial long XC, had a TAA plane with autopilot too. I told myself if it sucked, then professional flying isn’t for me, because this is basically what the big boys do. And you know what? It was great. Not because it was particularly exciting, in fact it was mostly boring. But I’m mid 30’s and my current non aviation job has given me stress and anger issues for over a decade. But the peace of flying, pushing a few buttons, vibing at the views. It was great.But I also feel bad for guys that get into flying too young. Don’t get me wrong, it’s great to have seniority, but eventually a job will become a job. And I feel that once the thrill of it wears off, will they have an appreciation for the peace of it? I think thats what makes a good airline career.
>>1913354The only difference between a First and Second Class medical in the test the doctor does, is that a first class applicant age 35 and above may be required to get an EKG. A blood test is never normally required, however it may be required if you've disclosed something retarded/are getting old man diseases. Just fyi, under age 35, first and second class medicals have the same standards, despite the cost difference.>>1913430Based
>>1913430Same exact thing anon. I feel like I'm going to school for early retirement.
>>1913430I'm mid 20s and love sitting there with the autopilot on following the flight plan. Even in the flat plains of the Midwest I still love looking around and the scenery. Teaching students doesn't help with the stress but it's still nice with the more experienced commercial students. Also still love going up and doing maneuvers myself too.
>>1913119Fucking bet. Those things will be retired in 2026. Now the only way to get a DC-9 type now is Ameristar or Hawaiian (I will not live in a shitlib state so neither is on the table).>tfw no atl 717 base
will a single major ever open a base in boise? not even fucking allegiant has one there
>>1913739UND? Purdue? OKST?
>>1913755Skywest
>flight training gets delayed due to COVID lockdowns and economic slowdown>economy opens back up>Race to get my ratings finished>become CFI>sacrifice all quality of life in order to get my hours as fast as possible>be now>1500 hour CFI>Apply to every single regional>Receive an email from Skywest, Air Wisconsin, PSA, Envoy, Piedmont, Republic, Horizon, GoJet, and Endeavor>"At this time you do not meet our qualifications">They are not looking for 1500 hour CFIs anymore>They want high time FOs>still waiting to hear from MesaLads...
>>1913842Hmmm they still seem to be taking 141 guys. My CFI just got hired in Envoy's cadet program and a temp CFI I had also just got on there.
>>1913848>141 guysOnly into the Cadet programs. That is the only path right now. Envoy and PSA even told me that. the only CFIs they are hiring are into the cadet programs. But you have to be under 1000 hours to get into a cadet program.
>>1913842Sorry to hear man, maybe you should look into some shithole Part 135 operations. I used to work for Ameriflight, it was horrible but I did get multi engine TPIC. Maybe PIC Caravan with the likes of Empire or Mountain, they seemed to have a better lifestyle. Or even PC-12 operators. Keep in mind, if you get some TPIC (even caravan time) you may be able to jump straight to a ULCC or into the ACMI world. Fuck, Kalitta Charters I will probably hire you into a Lear or Falcon if you want to start on a jet. Just be prepared that you may have to pay for your own ATP-CTP after your first turbine job, depending on where you go to afterwards.
>hear loud plane overhead>look on flightradar >nothing overheadwhat does that mean?
>>1913877If you hear something overhead, you’re supposed to look about 30 degrees off of overhead
>>1913877if you don't want your plane to be visible on flightradar you just send them an e-mail, simple as
>>1913877I think most military flights are blocked from fr24. If you have an ads-b receiver you can see them though.
>>1913808skywest is a regional. i mean an actual career destination airline- lcc, legacy, etc.
>>1913842>>1913852allegiant cadet program? with them you could skip the regionals altogether
>>1913374this is an anime website and I don't think a lot of my colleagues are /pol/brainedHoenstly being an anime website would be more appealing to pilots under 30 but reddit has that too so why come here given the reputation as the Internat Hate Machine?
Had a nice little round with a few full stop taxi backs in preparation for my first solo. My CFI really wanted me to do it today however the winds kept going to a tailwind and the school has a hard rule against letting a student solo with a tailwind. I felt fine and he reassured he knows I could have done it just fine. I understand the point of this rule though and would rather he feel very comfortable with it being an ok day to go for it.Did I mention fuck I love flying?
>>1913755No>>1914032>t. first year regional FOget to the line at a Legacy/LCC/ACMI and it's basically a qanon convention
>>1913975I see a lot of refueling tankers on it flying over my house almost every day at 7pmsome blackhawks toothere wasn't any planes anywhere near me mustve been a military plane
>>1913783None of the above
bros I don't know what to do. I collapsed today completely out of the blue. I was walking then I suddenly woke up on the floor. I don't have any conditions and I exercise regularly. Does anyone know what this might be? I'm scared to go see the doctor and potentially lose my medical but I'm worried it might be something serious.
>>1914248If you don’t use cocaine then it’s likely vaccine complications. Probably be more mild than the scare stories.
>>1914248Keep an eye on it. Could have just been a one off thing. Drink more water. It could be heart related if your heart is tarding out and not beating correctly. If so, you might need a pacemaker. I don't know how that is treated medical wise but you might just have to renew it every two years instead of the usual.
>>1914248Vax status?
>>1914248Do you have a 5G phone?
>>1914250>>1914259>>1914279>>>/schizo/
>>1914286You come to us in fear and doubt only to then shun our light?
The vaccine could definitely fuck you up long term. But if you believe this, you must also be open to the possibility that it could grant you abilities beyond your mortal shell. For example, since I got jabbed, my penis has grown 3 inches.
>>1914306>I thlammed my penith in the plane door
>>1914250>>1914259>>1914306I have the original two doses of moderna but weren't side effects shorter term? it's been over a year since I got mine. If it was that bad wouldn't the FAA be pulling vaxxed medicals?>>1914251I hope it's a one off thing. Im 23 I shouldn't be having heart problems this early. I'll stop flying solo until this is figured out.
>>1914314S
>>1914314This is why I got the J&J, I'm fine with proven old methods, not that RNA bullshit that was rushed to market.
>>1914322Thats a shame. RNA is known to extend DNA through replication. Where is the most DNA stored in the male body? The balls and dick. I’ve been watching it grow since the jab and can confirm it’s getting longer.
>>1914323Sounds like propaganda to me.
>>1914324Sounds like you need to open a book
>>1914326I read quite a bit of fiction already. I don't need your recommendations.
>>1913842Go fly in Alaska anon.
>>1914322J&J was still mRNA, just adenovirus vector instead of nano-lipids.
>>1914343For who?
>>1913877>>1913904globe.adsbexchange.com
Should I get a cheap MPL or an ATPL that I have to pay 20 times more for? I'm Europoor btw.
>>1914559Mpl is retarded do it properly and do an integrated atpl.
>>1914564It becomes an ATPL at 1500 flight hours anyway, so why care? The airlines offering me the MPL course is probably the airlines I would work for if I got an ATPL/CPL anyway.
Did my first solo flight today. The first time taking off by myself was a little freaky since the safetynet was sitting in a golf cart watching me. After that though it felt like business as usual.
>>1914750congrats anon
>>1914754Thanks anon. It took me 23ish hours to get here, now just to do the rest. Glad I let myself get frustrated so I could learn and make smooth gentle landings. I've also come to really like the 152 I've been flying. She's a good bird.
>>1914757i solo'd the day after i did my first landingif you're at smooth landings already, good on you anon
>>1914854I really like the feeling of a gentle just touch down. I have around 120 landings down with todays and it took till at least 90 before I really started to smooth out consistently and wasn't until the last dozen where it has been what feels like the ones my CFI would show me.Getting all that shit down and being able to background certain bits in your head is the hard part for me. Figuring out the round out, figuring out the flare, figuring out the rudder correction for any cross winds. Each thing had to become something I could do instinctively. It was definitely hard fought to get those things down. I'm sure I'll still have some rough ones here and there. Learning how to front slip early on has also helped since I have a habit of coming in too high and need to bleed off speed and altitude to fix the approach. Today though, the 10kt headwind I had to keep the throttle 100-200 RPM higher just to keep from getting too low.
>>1914566Because if you are stuck with mpl you won’t be able to upgrade to captain nor will anyone else hire you if shit hits the fan.Plus they don’t say it but integrated atpl is a discriminating factor at equal performance (spoke with a guy that does interviews)
>>1914855I’m at 45 hours and over 200 landings and it still doesn’t feel like something I can do instinctively. Am I just a retard?
>>1915058I can't say if you're a retard or not. If you haven't done it already, power off stalls can really help you get a feel of how the aircraft behaves and feels when you're bringing it to the edge of when it can be controlled. I guess the best way I could describe it is you come down aiming at the numbers, then as you cross over about a few feet above the ground you level off. This is when I usually apply any crosswind correction as well. Then you keep the plane from landing as long as you can without gaining any altitude. Just keep it at the same altitude above the ground and keep pulling back more and more. The goal is about a foot or so above the runway. Eventually you'll lose so much speed the plane has no choice but to touch down. As long as you did this gently, the plan will sink and gently touch down.I know that is a lot but that's how my brain deals with it.
>>1915062I know how to do all of it, it just doesn’t feel instinctive and I have to use a lot of focus and effort on it every time to do it right. I also suck at crosswind correction and probably will for a long time because I don’t often get to practice crosswind landings.
>>1915063I get crosswind all the time so my solo got delayed. I probably would have done it at 20 hours however the school has a hard rule against any winds over 12kt and doing a solo. I think having to apply crosswind correction forced me to get better since it was another thing I had to now think about.
>>1915058the lower your airspeed when you cross the threshold, the easier it isof course, the lower your airspeed the closer you are to stalling, so don't fuck around and find outbeyond that it's just muscle memory and just say in your head DONT LAND DONT LAND FLY STRAIGHT DONT LAND as soon as you are half a foot off the runway.Wind also matters. A lot. Gusts are unpredictable.
I have a question for any pilots or well versed larpers I was on a flight in 2011 that went through a storm. The turbulence was probably a little bit more than your standard bumps but the thing that freaked me the fuck out was the lights and the screens on the back of the monitors kept going out (it was night, so the whole plane was going pitch black for seconds at a time). And on top of that, the comms were playing weird radio sounds. I am not sure how to explain it. Sounded like when you kill a Combine in Half-Life 2 and their radio fucks up. Anyway, that flight did nothing to help my flying phobia. I tell this story to people who fly often and they say they never experienced anything like that before. What was that all about?
>>1915063>>1915066Adding on to this, there's a couple secrets to crosswind. First of all, be aware of the wind. If number if higher than runway, it's right. If number is lower than runway, it's left. I know, I know, but it's a fast reminder.Then you set up your crosswind, point the nose into the wind enough that your head is heading directly towards the runway. With heavy wind it can almost feel like you're going sideways, but that's alright, it's not where the plane is pointed but where it's actually going (at least when it comes to right and left, up and down you can normally trust the nose, e.g. while deploying flaps the nose will want to come up, keep it down, but this is unrelated to crosswind). Then, when you're close enough to the runway (I do it a few seconds before the threshold, but you can do it earlier, or even later, although too late and you're doing too many things at once, too early and you're unnecessarily slipping, etc) add opposite rudder to straighten out the nose. AND THEN KEEP THE YOKE IN THE SAME POSITION. When you add rudder the plane is going to feel like it's fine, so you release the yoke to neutral and get pushed over by the wind. Keep it where it was (if you're drifting into the wind reduce it slightly, and vice versa, but don't let go).Then it's just a matter of staying in the air with and pulling back gently WHILE keeping both rudder and aileron corrections in.
>>1915144Good point anon. That little tip on direction is fantastic I've never thought about it and always just feel for it. I would agree with that process, just hard to get into words sometimes since I'm still new. I apply my crosswind correction after I round out and I'm just waiting on that extra speed to bleed off. I haven't been in anything above a 15kt crosswind in a 152 though so my experience is limited in severity. However I often have at least a 5-10kt crosswind so I'm used to these light ones. They make the landing process more fun to me, it's that little icing on the cake of a smooth straight landing.
>>1915142Space jews attacked your airplane. Unlucky for you, but also lucky as they didn't shoot you down.
>>1915054>Because if you are stuck with mpl you won’t be able to upgrade to captain nor will anyone else hire you if shit hits the fan.But I will get my ATPL regardless once I pass 1500 hours (2-3 years working for the airline), then I will be able to become captain.It's a bit risky, but the MPL-license is basically free compared to the ATPL courses that will put me in debt for 10 years.I'll either work for SAS or Norwegian, feels like they're both state sponsored airlines that hopefully won't go belly up before I get my 1500 hours.Thanks for the help.
>>1915142Maybe the auxiliary engine was having problems. The main engines should be able to provide power for all needs however the auxiliary engine is there as a backup. Or maybe there is an automated system that will cut unnecessary circuits under a high enough G load thinking it might be in an emergency state.Weirdest airline thing I've ever had happen was we pulled back from the gate and everything went dark. We then sat for about 20 minutes before they pushed the plane back into the gate and plugged it in again. They then had some mechanics crawling around the plane trying to figure out what was going on. Turned out an oil filter in the auxiliary unit had clogged and shut down the unit. They had to overnight the part to fix the plane so I got an extra night in Hawaii.
>>1915401What would have happened if this issue presented itself not at the gate but halfway through the flight? That's the kind of shit that makes me afraid of planes
>>1915494Nothing much, maybe losing some things like seat power or the entertainment seats. The main engines provide the power and air for the cabin. The auxiliary is just a backup in flight.
Does anyone here regret going into aviation? Specifically if you had a midlife career change and gave up a safe job for a dream.
>>1916195most legit careers tend to be volatile
>>1916195I'm still early one so my opinion may not count. I was tired of being in a cubicle. I wanted my office to be in the sky. I'm enjoying it.
>>1916195Aviation is probably going to be one of the most stable careers for the rest of this century with AI making most office jobs obsolete over the next few years/decades. That’s why I’m going into it.
>>1916201retard
I'm training to become ATC (ADI and APS) and will be going to a regional airport in Europe with a lot of VFR flights.What do you guys think the odds are that some general aviation flights going on joyrides will let me ride with them at some point?
>>1916201nigger lmao if anything it's AI that might be putting all sorts of drivers out of the job market
>>1916283AI is going to replace every office job long before it’s capable of making split second decisions that peoples lives depend on, if ever. Transportation is going to be the last industry to be automated.
Is being an ATC more stressful than being a pilot?
So, let's say I'm a poorfag. What is the easiest way to learn how to pilot?
>>1916473Pirate a flight simulator. Learning to fly is expensive...even if you just learn hobby flying in a little Cessna or something. Costs a fuck ton of money to take lessons, to borrow a plane, to insure yourself and to continue to learn (because you ideally need to constantly practice).
>>1916473Just pay for training until you get your solo endorsement, then steal a bird and operate in the boonies.Dude did that with a R22 helicopter. Got his solo endorsement, promptly stole the bird and relocated it somewhere else in the country. Flew it for like 7 years before he got caught flying like an asshole and a local tower looked up the tail number to report him. Only then did they find out it had been stolen long ago.
>>1916522jesus, lolseems like that kind of thing would be harder to get away with
>>1916562If you operate mostly at non-towered fields or on private property, nobody would ever really know your aircraft is stolen. Though it would be easier with a helicopter since less land is required. IIRC, the dude mostly flew it on his own private property for the years he had it.
>>1916576You have to hand over so much identifying paperwork to even start lessons though. It seems like you have to have a background-check-worthy false identity that gets abandoned when you steal the bird, or assume a false identity once you've stolen it. It's not like the flight school wouldn't have reported the theft to the feds.
>>1916351I mean, I wouldn't do it. Listen to DCA ground during peak hours when its Runway 19 operations. If I was that man I would have an hero'd a long time ago
>>1916522Link? We live in an aviation world where every little tiff on ATC gets a million views, surely you have proof?
how do Airline Cadet Programs work exactly? Do you essentially get employed with the airline until you paid back your training? So you don't have to pay for flight training yourself?
>>1916766You pay for 100% of training, you are not guaranteed anything, airline corporate can now say they "have a flight school" and are "fighting the pilot shortage"
>>1916768i just want to get into allegiant and circumvent the regionals
Had something that didn't sit right with me on my CFI initial checkride, I want to get some other opinions on this. During the flight portion I took away the aircraft twice from the examiner roleplaying as a student when I felt the landing was going to be unstable, once because we were coming in too fast and we were going to porpise (he later admitted that he planned on porpising) and once because he was flaring about to stall the airplane about 7-10 feet off the ground. Both times when I took the controls from him and either went around or salvaged the landing, he said that I shouldn't have done that and that it was better to let the student "bang it in sometimes." I argued(maybe it's not a good idea to argue with a DPE) that a student isn't learning anything from a shitty landing and that if I feel unsafe as the PIC that I should fix the situation. He said in the debrief that I'll make a good instructor but that "I need to work on my ego," and that statement is just living rent free in my head right now, was I in the wrong?
>>1916857>was I in the wrong?No. >if I feel unsafe as the PIC that I should fix the situation. Your ass is in the plane, too.
>>1916857You're both half-right. You definitely shouldn't risk your ass and let a 6-hour student make a dicey landing that they don't know enough to learn from anyway, but you should also be willing to let students who are further along fuck up a little sometimes, because those instances will teach them more about what they're doing wrong than getting the controls taken will.
>>1916857>>1916862DPE is probably right. I'm a pretty experienced cfi in tailwheel and tricycle and students definitely learn from shitty landings. If you are a pussy ass cfi that will take the controls once your within 10 feet of the ground every time, the student is gonna take forever to learn. A cessna is a hard plane to crash and you should let the student take it as far as possible without wrecking the plane. You'll know what I mean after a few hundred hours of dual given.The cfis at my work that are absolute pussies piss me off like nothing else. It shows they can't fly a plane and I can tell without flying with them.
>>1916766Any more opinions on this?
>>1916862And on a checkride when the DPE just says "I'm a student making a short field landing" it's hard to judge what he's looking for. I figured it's better to err on the side of caution because I'm sure there are DPE's that will fuck the landing completely and then fail you for not taking the controls.>>1916872I understand what you mean, there's definitely a balance between safety and letting the student learn. Hopefully once I start working I can get some experience with what students at different skill levels are capable of doing; it's tough being expected to know how to teach without ever having taught someone
Anyone got a good explanation about the VDP and why some approaches have it?
>>1916857I remember before the flight portion of my CFI ride, the DPE and I discussed how the flight portion would go, and he specifically told me to not take the controls from him. He said just give verbal guidance, but to not touch the controls when he was flying.
>>1916881Monkey see, monkey do. It doesn’t take long to get the hang of instructing. Get hired at a busy club and look for more outside work or a new job if you can’t get 100 hours a month
>>1916911Its advisory in nature. Only non-precision approaches have it. The idea being you've descended down on your approach to MDA and you're level waiting to see the airport before you get to the missed app point. If you descend off the MDA before the VDP you risk descending into terrain. You descend after the VDP and you risk having a high and unstable approach. The VDP is essentially where a normal approach profile to the TDZ intersects the MDA.>>1916857>maybe it's not a good idea to argue with a DPEThis. Just let him have his way. There is a clear defined hierarchy in aviation and if you just smile and nod at what the person above you says things will go a lot smoother.
>>1916351ATC is only stressful if you're a bad ATC. During training you'll be faced with unrealistically complex traffic that you'll never see anywhere in the world. Yeah, busy airports are busy but it's very simple. IFRs in, IFRs out. During training we have high level of IFR traffic but we also have to mix in VFR traffic doing training circuits too. t. ATC
>>1916815Allegiant has partnerships with Kansas State, Purdue, and WMU (I go to one of these three so I know all about it and also plan to apply to them). You can leave most of the cadet programs with ULCCs anytime but I’d wait until at least 23 and hit ATP mins to apply to somewhere else like a legacy or better lcc. Now, the real issues are with the regionals sucking people in with bonus money and contracts. Republic requires new hires to sign a contract of at least 5 years service and 2 years as captain or else you’ll have to pay 100k in “damages.” That’s way too long especially when you can go from ulcc to legacy in as little as 2 years. I wouldn’t waste time with regional cadet programs as they narrow your options. If you do have a specific legacy in mind work for a competitor’s regionals as your chances of getting hired are better as they want to drain the competition’s pool of potential applicants.
>>1916976100 hours a month is a ridiculous amount of work especially when you consider how much non flying work being an instructor is, that's a ridiculous figure unless you have no life at all outside of the airfield
>>1917026you are fake news. thousands and thousands of CFIs across the country are doing that. I was topping out 8 hours a day in my CFI prime
>>1917046If you're flying 8 hours a day you're at work for 12 hours a day and that's just absolute shit
>>1916881>And on a checkride when the DPE just says "I'm a student making a short field landing" it's hard to judge what he's looking for.>I figured it's better to err on the side of caution because I'm sure there are DPE's that will fuck the landing completely and then fail you for not taking the controls.And yeah, that's why he was only half-right
>>1917052Welcome to aviation. Grind it out for 6 months and get a 135 job in a jet. 14 hour days are fairly normal i this industry
>>1917026eh the usual metric is to try to get like 80 a month
>>1914186huge wastern guy here
>>1916766>cfi at 141 unimain LCC cadet programs are decent in theoryinterview once with LCC in college and get a CJOfly under their corporate umbrella either 135 or 121 until a certain TT or left seat timeUnited aviate is something like 2,000 hours in the left seat, Delta says ur at regionals for a maximum of 36 months then flowregional cadet programs are same concept
>>1917073I'm good thanks, there's no need to speedrun life
Can't believe Swaggot Martin is on the B767 now.
>>1917082>>1917077>>1917052Im at 120 hours this month, im a nigga dawg
>>1916990So being an ATC gets easier. I wondered if they were exaggerating the stress of being one. Is the pay worth the job though? What's the usual schedule? Do you do shift rotations monthly?
>>1917082Well then enjoy living on 1600 a month
>>1917083No seriously. I remember when he was just a wee lad on the boldmethod podcast. Then he got into UND and did some flying for mokulele. He's a turbofaggot and it was obvious back then that he lacked self awareness by his replies to comments under his videos. But I'm happy for how far hes come
>>1917187Well sometimes it's out of my hands. For example, right now I'm waiting on a student who's 12 minutes late and I'm highly suspecting he's a no show. My later flight will certainly r cancelled thanks to it being monsoon season in NMAs much as I like working for a smaller flight school, sometimes I envy big 141 school instructors who have steady work, don't have to make the schedule themselves, and students that are obligated to show up
>>1917083>>1917189I was acquainted with this cocksucker from my UND days, he's simply a rich kid with no self awareness and love for internet clout and jerking off his e-peen. Almost like a homeschooled kid, just no idea how weird he is when he talks about how rich he is.
>>1917219The consistency of the 141 stuff is nice, pay is pretty terrible where I'm at though. The salary, albeit low, is nice in the winter months when you're not flying a lot. That fortunately won't be my problem this winter though.
>>1917290>just no idea how weird he is when he talks about how rich he is.He actually did this??
>>1917158The stress is there of course but it's more the stress of responsibility and in case of incidents. Regular workload on your average aerodrome isn't all that bad. That being said, ATC has an extremely high alcoholism rate.I'm European and I make around $75k yearly which is decent for western countries. I'll be at 100k in 5 more years (been working 3 so far) but the real money is in the middle east. Some Dubai controllers are well above 200k.Schedule will vary between both country and even unit. Usually I do 8 hour shifts with 14 day shift rotation. If I'm doing nights I get a day off every few days.
so im about 30 hours into getting my ppl and im at a part 61 school right now. is it worth switching to a 141 school or does it not matter?
>>1917383I was an instructor at a 61 school.If you switch to a 141, you'll have to restart. Obviously you'll still keep all the skills you've learned but you have to go through their structured program to officially pass, which details each lesson and stage of your training. You can't skip around like you can at a 61 or apply previous training hours to greatly shorten the length of your training like at a 61.I did all my training part 61 and know quite a few people who went the 141 route. What problems are you looking to solve by switching to a 141? There are good reasons to switch, but you're really screwing yourself out of alot of your money if you do it now in the middle of your PPL.
>>1917383Depends what your goals are. If you just wanted to fly or are fine with climbing through regionals, a 61 is good enough. If you're trying to get into a specific airline that requires a 141, you probably should have looked that up before spending 30 hours worth of flight time.
>>1917388>If you're trying to get into a specific airline that requires a 141>airline that requires a 141
>>1917389I've seen it on some listings.
>>1917391When push comes to shove most don't care what school you went to. Your school only lasts til you get your AMEL CPL or your CFI/II/MEI. After that you spend the rest of your time doing a job to get your hours. What you did, how many checkrides you failed, and your knowledge far outweigh the school you went to to get the FAA certificate. It's the same cert regardless of where you got it.Some cadet programs require specific schools, but in terms of actually finding a job, assuming two equal applicants, if one is 61 with 0 check fails and the other is 141 with 1, they'll take the 61 all day.
>>1917394I found the listing funny and closed the tab. I like to browse listings occasionally to see what's out there. I don't really want to fly for the airlines since I enjoy flying, not programming a computer to fly for me. That's another discussion though.
>>1917387>What problems are you looking to solve by switching to a 141?none in particular, since im quite happy with how my training is going, but ive heard it can create problems when i go to get hired by somoene.
>>1917395The Majors will let you hand fly to cruising alt if you want to. I know United does. Southwest and AA guys typically get to FL100 and then put on AP. I heard this from pilots at each of those airlines.
>>1917395I think thats why people get disillusioned with professional flying. It really is just twisting a few dials 90% of the time. You need to accept that and enjoy the relaxing vibe of flying to enjoy your career. I mean even if you were a bush pilot, your doing basically the same. I was never in the military (but if anyone who was could confirm) but I am sure most of their flying is the same.
>>1917383It honestly depends. Are you self motivated enough and capable of dictating to your school what you need to do and being in charge of getting yourself ready for your checkride?I assuming you have solo'd already with 30 hours. If not then its a huge sign that 61 just is not for you, I would cut your losses and make the move. But even if you have things might not be working out. You have to really badger the school to keep you on track, since at pt 61's they are more than content to charge hour after hour to just watch you "practice manuevering" or work the circuit with no end goal. If that's not happening then it might be worth it.On the other hand pt 61 is undeniably cheaper, more flexible and overall just a better deal IF you possess the organizaitonal skills and drive to organize your own progress. I'll tell you right now it does not get easier after PPL.
>>1917590How can part 61 be cheaper when it requires 50 hours of cross country for an instrument rating while part 141 doesn’t require any? That alone would cost you something like $10k more.
>>1917596you use the safety pilot loophole and you can build those hours very cheaply with another person. you'll need them anyways to get your commercial, shouldn't cost more than about four grand.the time saved and cheaper cost of instruction more than cancel that out IF (big IF) you are organized and driven enough to manage your own progress.
>>1917395>I don't really want to fly for the airlines since I enjoy flyingShut the fuck up retard. You have no clue what flying is like at the airlines if you think it ends at programing a box.
>>1917602 See >>1917515
>>1917596I thought same way as you. You’re gonna need those XC hours regardless for your commerical.
>>1917325He did it nonstop, talking about his dads money and all the cool planes and places he flew before coming to UND. Almost aspie-like for how dense he is to a normal person getting $100k into debt having to hear from him about his rich parents.
>>1917084based
>>1917084Blacks shouldn’t be allowed in aviation.
>>1917596You'll need that XC for commercial and later for the ATP so whatever
>>1917666>talking about his dads money and all the cool planes and places he flewTypical 141 university shit.
>>1917762Most of UND is upper midwest types, you want the spoiled rich kid faulting their wealth, go to Riddle-Daytona.
>>1917865Most of 141 universities are spoiled rich types not just riddle. There are way too many influencer wannabes from them.
>>1917922can confirm, am said spoiled rich kid at a 141 uni,
>>1917922Maybe I'm just old and out of touch these days, my days at UND were spent boozing in the dorms/apartment and eating Red Pepper grinders. I wish I could be a true alcoholic like the old days, but now I'm far too fragile a man. There's nothing like getting drunk alone your entire last semester because you couldn't handle your roomies anymore and moved into section 8 housing to afford solo rent. A wife, kids, and job at the majors really fucks up all the time I could spend drunk while it's -40 outside with only 7 hours of daylight. No spoiled rich kids to ruin my fun of playing Huniepop or PUBG.
planning to start taking flight lessons this summer, any advice? i'm a bit worried i'll freak out when i'm actually in the air
>>1918174just dont look down
>>1917935which state?
so, just how smart do you have to be, really, to be an airline pilot?
>>1918266Idk I'm pretty fucking retarded and I'm on my way thereAlthough some of my students can't even solve for t given s=d/t so maybe that's about the too stupid cutoff
>>1918266I knew a girl who was a CFI, and she didn’t know that as a 1300 hour CFI that a student XC solo has to be 50nm straight line distance. She legitimately thought that it was 25nm each way. She signed off a dozen students to do their solo cross countries to an airport 25nm away.
>>1918266I know smart people that can’t fly for shit. I’d say most my students are as smart as me. I feel like flying is a skill that uses most of the brain, for some it instantly sticks and for others it’s hopeless. You’ll know it’s for you or not once you get your private
>>1918266This is not all inclusive, but Greg (a B767 driver) talks about what matters in the best pilots from yesteryear. Unironically, I actually am a musician and martial artist as well, and the best pilot in this thread too. Even better, Greg tells you it has little to do what academics.https://youtu.be/0IM5D-eqasE
>>1918332I’m 40 hours in and I still find it really hard to always stay on top of everything the plane is doing and keep speed, altitude, heading, etc without constantly being in a state of high stress. Also landing still takes every ounce of concentration even after doing it like 200 times and most of my landings still suck. Does it ever get easier or am I one of those hopeless people? I thought it would be like driving a car where eventually your brain just works on autopilot but so far it’s nothing like that.
>>1918266traditionally it has been the career choice for ex military, make of that what you will
>>1918358Im finishing up my commercial. Landings are always going to require a lot of concentration, as they should, but it will become more of a fun but challenging concentration, contrary to what you’re feeling now. It’s for the best that you don’t get too comfortable, you are landing a plane after all.As for workload, the CFIs are trying to overload you on purpose. In reality you will be chilling for the most part, and you have a co pilot to share the workload. You’ll get used to the stress, but get ready for instrument rating, which is balls to the wall with workload. What I do is just take everything one thing at a time AND DONT OVERTHINK IT.
>>1918368....crayon eating?
>>1918358I just recently go the point where I can be as smooth as my CFI is. I'm just shy of 30 hours with probably a little less than 150 landings. It took till 90 landings before I was smooth here and there and not until 110 or 120 until I was smooth consistently. As far as cockpit work, getting trimmed correctly helps a lot with keeping your workload down. If you are going xc, the sooner you're trimmed and level the sooner you can start thinking about other things like your heading, any VORs you want to follow, any local airports you want to tune to or if you are requesting a flight following. I solo'd a couple weeks ago and we started doing xc stuff and it's really nice since you get to take a break for a minute or two to just look around and enjoy the flight. When you're doing pattern work or maneuvers you're always concentrating on something. Maybe at some point landings become natural, however I still talk out what I'm doing as I do so even when solo. My CFI also likes it since it lets him know what I'm doing so he can correct verbally instead of having to correct with the controls. I've had them taken away once when I came in way too low and slow and I bullied the shit out of myself for that happening. After it happened, I got better at landing.Take all of that with a grain of salt though as I have less hours than you.
God I fucking hate r/flying. u/x4457 is a patronizing dick and all the regulars follow his example. It is the epitome of what makes reddit so shitty. The PPL know-it-alls are fucking everywhere,150 hours in a skyhawk qualifies them as experts on every fucking subject of aviation. Then you have those posts that go viral and reach the font page or get corss posted somewhere and brainless hivemind bots come in to correct you about airplanes flying themselves or some stupid shit they just made up
>>1918524Reddit has been getting more and more shit over the years. At one point one could make the excuse the small very focused communities were fine but it's quickly becoming shit no matter where you are on the site. Honestly, this is the best aviation community I've found. That's fucking sad, that the internet hate machine is the best place I can come to to ask about aviation questions and get really good no filter advice on how to become better.
>>1918524you have to go back
>>1918285I wonder how people like that make it through the CFI check ride and have a job for that long massively fucking up. I'm studying for my CFI now and it feels like I have read all the FAA publications twice or three times over. I got my AGI and IGI as well to go in and show the DPE I'm taking it seriously. When I read posts like this or think about some of the fuck up CFIs I've flown with, I wonder.
>>1918534shut up, nigger
>>1918533Honestly true. Kinda wild that the same website I use to watch porn is the same website that has the best aviation community. As pilots were inherently egotistical and with reddit and even APC when pilots have usernames and karma the egos go crazy. Anonymity keeps us in check.>>1918534kys nigger. you were probably in diapers when I started lurking here over 10 years ago
>>1918266I mean I can be pretty retarded, never got straight A's and wasn't an overachiever. Just coasted the training and now I think I'm a pretty good pilot. My CFI peers respect my opinion and my students all love flying with me. >>1918285Woman moment. I've found the women in aviation are either airheads that aren't very skilled or cunts that know women are handing things on a silver platter and use that to their advantage to get super ahead.
>>1918223michigan
>>1918558All the female students I see at my flight school look like instagram whores. Why does aviation attract these kinds of women in particular? You'd think it would be more of a thing for butch dykes.
>>1918546>>1918556What a surprise that this baseded out thread is full of literal unapologetic redditors. YOU HAVE TO GO BACK !!!
>>1918708Aviation seems to attract clout chasers in general. Woman just use the "I'm a woman pilot" card to stand out more.
>>1918995>Clout chasersMost pilots are delusional about this. They project their own love of flying on to others. Most people are indifferent or afraid of flying. It's never helped me get women.
40 years ago I went solo privately in a c150 then joined the military as a trainee pilot - ended up getting washed out. The screaming skull that had me scrubbed did me a favour - I now couldn't give a stuff about aviation!
>>1918911>t.
>>1919045You're not that guy pal, you're not that guy.
Got a question regarding solo endorsements on Part 61 for PPL, does the endorsement for solo xc have to be the same day? CFI wants me to fly my xc route with him then drop him off and go again solo on the same day. Or can they pre date it and I fly a different day?
>>1919035Yeah I've noticed this. People will ask what I do and I say I'm a pilot. Mostly just get the "oh that's cool" and a couple other basic questions. Rarely is someone heavily interested where I feel I can sperg out at them.
>>1919201It's been a little different for me. Though it's not "what I do" since I'm just a PPL and have a job completely unrelated to flying. But when I tell people I'm a licensed helicopter pilot, they usually perk up. I'm married so I have no use for it, but women who end up finding out usually express more interest in me afterward. I think it's mostly because people have less exposure to helicopters and there's more "mystique" surrounding them, whereas most people have flown in airplanes many times.
>>1919210That's a fair point. Helos are definitely more rare and I've always wanted to try it. But that's after I get my MEI and Commercial Glider. Speaking of gliders I wonder how interested random people would be in those. Probably not much since they would seem more dangerous to people.
I go to WMU AMA
there is a lot of cachet in being a pilot. its on the level of doctor and attorney, but less controversial than the latter.this is heavily exploited by flight schools who bring in people interested in being cool who have very little chance of making it very far.
>>1919246>little chance of making it farit's more a question of finances, either you have the money to pay for flight training up front or you Sallie Mae out the ass to go to ATP/ERAU/UND etc. Private Pilot has something like a 75% pass rate, Instruments hovers around 70%, Commercial back to 75%, so unless you're medically disqualified, fantastically uncoordinated or literally retarded you have a little better than 75% chance of making it to the airlines
>>1919189iirc they can backdate it or approve it for the following day, the endorsement is the instructor certifying they've gone over the route, diversion procedures, etc. with you FOR THAT ROUTE
>>1919243why are you gay ?????
>>1919351bro the NGPA is out of fucking control here i think we're around 8% el gee bee tee, guess everyone wants to be Swayne
>>1919189Quite literally, if the CFI says you're cool, it's cool. As a student pilot, nearly anything you do is the CFIs problem, so long as you're not grossly negligent or non-compliant. Looking back on it, not a single one of my solo or solo XC endorsements were made correctly, or made at all. I didn't know about endorsement legitimacy until I was doing CFI training myself. Stay cool bro. the only times it really matters is when you're holding a PPL or better, and operating via a PIC endorsement for a class/category you don't hold, or for a Sport pilot privilege endorsement. Just play dumb, or literally be dumb and stop worrying about CFI level knowledge.
>>1919243Why does your school suck ass? Why don’t you fly until your second year? Why do you use your old ass sr20s? Don’t you know every other school uses archers (und and purdue) or 172s (riddle)? You can’t get ahead of the curb because everyone who goes to your school didn’t get into the other three.
>>1919409>curb*curve, I may go to the third choice school but at least I speak EnglishAs for the SR20 I don't fucking know, the meme is that it's "safer" with the CAPS chute and "more technologically advanced" with the Avidyne and because it's just a kiss off High Performance with the retarded Roncz airfoil it "flies more like a jet".We had bids from Piper and Cirrus for the Archer TX or the SR20 TRAC, apparently Cirrus was worried we'd flood the market with clapped-out SR's and drive the price down about $100k that they signed the contract at a loss
>>1919411Are you even a CFI yet? It’s laughable how people pay $100k+ to go to an aviation university and not even have their CFI when they graduate. Everyone I know at UND or Purdue had theirs by senior year at the latest.
>>1919413kek if kids were flying before their sophomore year the schedule would allow it, right now you're lucky if you can do your CFI as a senior or right after you graduate there's so much backlog
>>1910785>Counterpoint-The most SOVL
>>1910931What >>1911943 said and the FAA adding regulations on over the years. Every factory built aircraft now has ADS-B, more instruments, nav screens.For comparison reasons, look at a new Cessna 172 cockpit versus a 1950s model. The older model has 6 or 7 instruments for the pilot and another 6 or 7 for the copilot seat.This applies to every aircraft to the point that homebuilts are not cheap either.Your best bet for cheap flying is either getting a tailwheel certification and shopping around for a Skyranger, Silvaire, Funk, Chief or Champ, or just buying an Ercoupe or a base model 150. Even then, you are looking at aircraft for $30k or less.
