>>1892298
because cheap ebike costs half that of cheap moped and reasonable midrange moped costs twice that of a reasonable midrange ebike.

Also, depending on the location, you might have to register/insure a Moped while an Ebike is free to go.

Plus, there is the, I don't know how to put it properly, but price versus value and materials thing that I have come across while searching for an Ebike myself.

For example, a basic hybrid bike is $500 at most stores, but you can get an Ebike from Best Buy for $600 and go twice as fast and further than the average cyclist going to work/school/burgers. Somewhat similar for mopeds as well, since you can get a decent enough SWFT for city/suburb travel to at $1300, but it only has a 400w motor. You can instead get a $1500 Aventon with a 750w motor that you can more freely ride in areas Mopeds aren't allowed, and add accessories to rival the moped.

>>1892323
>400W
>twice as fast
t. doesn't even ride
e-degenerates not even competing and still slower

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>>1892323
Where I live I have to registered my regular bike as a vehicle and need car insurance for my bike

>>1892298
Biggest reason in the states is that bikes (even e-bikes) and mopeds (typically a 50cc or under 2 stroke) are two different classes of vehicles under statute.

E-bike:
Can go on trails and paths that restrict motor vehicle use.
Does not require any license, reg, or insurance
Does not require any specific inspection/ for lighting or signals
Is light enough to be easily stored inside and can use existing bike infrastructure if available (racks, bus/train racks)

Moped:
Is a motorized vehicle and cannot use pedestrian/bike paths
Typically requires at least a class C driver's license or an M class if greater than 50cc
Typically requires registration, insurance and inspection.
Must have specific lights and signals
Due to size and engine fluids may not be able to store inside as easily without a garage
Cannot generally use existing bike infrastructure (although weight and design makes theft less likely) and cannot make use of multi-modal transport.

For in city stuff, the electric bike is often a better choice if only because it works better with mass transit and apartments. However in more suburban or somewhat rural areas the moped is a great option. My neighborhood is all 25-30mph streets that I dislike riding a bike on but the moped can keep up with the cars, gets me there just as fast, and importantly gets more than twice the gas mileage. I use both bike and moped options and it's nice to have the gap fill but if I had to choose one it would be the bike simply because the bike is a bike and moped is effectively a very cheap car.

>>1892341
>tell cop your moped/scooter is a model of bike that goes 25mph.
>print document of that bike
>make sure the only pics in it look like your bike.
>circle the max speed in orange neon marker.
>video record the police
>ask them, they do know that class 2 bikes can be ridden on side of any road, right?
>they say no
>pull out dmv pamphlet
>ask them to show you

>they arrest you, without looking
>sue them for wrongfull arrest
>court costs 100k
>you only have couple 1,000
The law does not exsist for the rich.
Still, i would try this and hope i don't get arrested.
Also screw insurance.
Just show id, or print your own mclovin id.
Mclovin id might cause a problem.
But 1 what are chances of getting pulled over/stopped. And 2 what are chances cop is a jerk and doesn't care about law, and wants to just arrest you?
(possibly high for both?)
Just ask for a ticket, and say you will head home.

But aside from small chance of getting unlucky with a cop, i feel you could get away with riding a 50+ mph bike, on sides of ANY? roads (in emergency lanes) maybe at a slower speed (28mph). And just pretend your riding a class 2 bike?
Who can prove you aren't? Aside from an auto exspert.

>>1892361
https://q9powersportsusa.com/products/galaxy-150cc-motor-scooter?variant=42585050349766
>completly street legal in every state
>just a bike people

>>1892361
>But 1 what are chances of getting pulled over/stopped. And 2 what are chances cop is a jerk and doesn't care about law, and wants to just arrest you?
I imagine the same chance as the darkness of your skin

>>1892341
Country?

>>1892361
>https://q9powersportsusa.com/products/galaxy-150cc-motor-scooter?variant=42585050349766
In the states the big give away is that this needs to be a reg'd vehicle with a license plate. You can often get away without insurance or up to date inspection (if your state requires inspection) but the lack of plate is a big visual red flag for police. Also not one fucking person is going to mistake a moped for an electric bike of any kind. They are pretty quiet compared to motorcycles but they are still 2 stroke gas engines. I can't even say they will give you a fine and let you go because in my city they impound your bike.

Honestly though, it's a scooter. Reg/tax/title for mine was 100 bucks, minimal insurance was another 80 a year. Or you can do the old Vermont out of state reg if it's under 300cc.

>>1892298
Ebikes are faster and safer than a moped but still extremely cringe

>>1892357
How much distance can ebikes cover with nocharge

>>1892357
Class D, not Class C. Class D for 50cc or less, Class L for 50-150cc and Class M for 150cc and above. That's how it is in IL at least.

>>1893108
depends, how strong are your heart and legs?

>>1892298
because you retards keep looking at overpriced garbage ebikes
an ebike conversion will be a fraction of the price AND better

>>1892298
>>1892323
These, and you still get some exercise, if less than with a normal bike. It's win-win.

>>1892298
Purely a lifestyle choice. If you want to use dedicated bike lanes and go on trails, e-bike. If you just need something to get to work or pick up some groceries, a moped will be fine. Both are practical and can be used similarly, but the biggest trade offs would be road use vs off-road use.

>>1892298
get an e-moped

>>1892341
just don't register or insurance it. My car isn't registered or insured

ask me anything. i've probably got over 20k miles of 50cc mileage under my belt and multple scoots from yamaha, honda, genuine. i love scoots but desu with the price of gas and the quality and capability of ebikes i would probably lean more towards an ebike. most motorcycle shops are shit compared to LBS. scooters are nice if your city isn't really bike friendly though; more lights, turn signals, road presence (people at least treat you like a vehicle). i would definitely recommend the honda ruckus though. kinda the thinkpad of scooters. stock tires are shit (kendra) get michelin boppers if you can find them. make sure to burn it it/oil it properly the first 600 miles then use amsoil 4 stroke. get rid of the stock battery and get a lithium ion with a charger. keep it plugged in.

this was cut off my post but regarding 50cc scooters like a ruckus
>scooter tires are more expensive, one puncture your out $50-$60 post-COVID prices
>scooter tires don't last nearly as long as bicycle tires
>scooter tires are a pain in the ass to change. I'd rather change a car tire desu
>youre probably gonna wanna have your tire put on wheel by mechanic: i can change my bike tire myself (never tried ebike)
>scooters do not work well in cold. anything under 40degF would not recommend even with lithium battery. traditional bikes up to the riders.
>finding a scooter mechanic/dealer anywhere near as helpful or cool as a LBS is a shot in the dark. most traditional mechanics will laugh at you.
>changing a scooters brakes is a pain in the ass
>the kick starts on scooters always seem to break and they're a pain in the ass to fix.

oh also with scooters if you ride in rain and snow the stock exhaust will eventually rust through. happen to all my scoots i ride in all weather all seasons. a new stainless upgrade exhaust is fucking expensive.

>>1892298
why would i get a moped when i can just get a normal bike and use my legs?

>>1898368
Jesus this all sounds like some pussy shit. i

>>1892298
Do you realize that moped means motor+pedals? An E-bike is a moped by definition.