General aviation- aviation in general. General aviation is not general enough for aviation."The child is grown, the dream is gone" editionPrevious: >>1877563
>>1889845I've always loved planes but I lament the expense of civilian aviation and the fact that it's stuck in the 1940's forever
>>1889880all bullshit methods and tricks or whatever aside it is a bunch of crap and it's basically the same reason trades are having trouble getting young people- it's just a pain in the ass to get in an make it a careerin the case of the airline pilot>most big career goal airlines will only really look at your application if you have a bachelor's>so rack up college debt for a degree you probably wouldn't want for any other reason>or have rich parents>flight training, no matter what, is ridiculously expensive>so save up for however many years and/or take out a loan to pay off the rest>so accumulate even more debt>or have rich parents>then you have to starve working a shitty pilot wageslave job for, if you're lucky, a couple years, maybe SLIGHTLY less if you really abuse yourself>then go to a regional and deal with the retard scheduling of a low seniority FO >then hope one of the big airlines takes you>not even mentioning the volatility of one moment seeming to have excellent job security then the next you think you're doomedthe fucking boomers that oversee this industry have no idea what the country has become for newer generations
>>1889958I'm pretty sure no airlines require a college degree anymore. The shortage of ATPL pilots is real and they're desperate to hire anyone they can. The real problem is the FAA and their retarded 1500 hour minimum rule. It's relatively easy and inexpensive to get a CPL but then there are no jobs for 250 hour pilots so it becomes extremely difficult to get to 1500. It's simply the case of unqualified government bureaucrats and politicians interfering with a previously well functioning free market for no legitimate reason and purposely ruining the industry.
>>1889964we did it to keep fags like you out
>>1889964they don't explicitly require it, but it's "preferred" and if you don't have one you'd definitely be shat on over someone who does have one
>>1889964No jobs? Lmao bud sorry that was you don’t get to fly a 777 with 250 hours in a Cessna. It’s called being a cfi which is very easy to get a job
>>1889964Move to Europe, you can get your first job on a 737 or a 320 relatively easily right after flight school by going for the cadet programs of low cost airlines like Ryanair or wizz.After you fly for them for a couple of years you can move on to the “majors”.
>>1889994>move to europelol. lmao.
>>1889994Can I use a CPL from the US to get an airline job in Europe and then log those hours towards ATPL back in the US?
>>1890011no, that guy is just a moron.
>>1890011Yes, just convert the license to an easa one and fly as you would in Europe, get the atpl and then convert it to an faa one.I never got into details about it but there shouldn’t be any problems considering that for the license transfer it’s only paperwork, fees and some theoretical exams.Try looking into it, it might be worth it, beats flying a Cessna for 1300h in a job that isn’t payed that much and that you might not like.
>>1889964>I'm pretty sure no airlines require a college degree anymoreNot required but they are definitely still preferred. Most pilots have a degree. So if it’s between you and someone with a degree, they will get the job everytime
>>1890162You can’t convert a foreign ATP into a US ATP, you have to do ATP CTP and the written and the check for a US ATP. Its more like a conversion to a commercial and then you can take an atp ride after
Just did my first discovery flight and it was one of the most amazing things I've ever done. It honestly feels like the first time in my life I'm experiencing what real freedom feels like. The fact that you can hop in a vehicle and be in full control of a machine that's flying thousands of feet up in the air is absolutely mind boggling when you think about it. I don't get why more people aren't doing this.
>>1890554The answer is money obviously
>>1890554$$$$$$$$$$$
>>1890556>>1890588most people can't even competently drive a car, I wouldn't want them in the sky desu
>>1889845Is there a good resource for terminology/syntax/standards regarding radio calls in uncontrolled airspace like that around non-towered airports? I asked my heli instructor because I was doing radio calls for the first time last week and had no idea what was going on and his response was basically "lol I dunno bud you'll pick it up as you go"
>>1890681>Salina traffic, (insert aircraft type) is 5 miles North of the airport inbound for Runway 17 straight in, SalinaIn your case>Salina traffic, Robinson R22 helo is X(usually 10, then 5 then 3 or 1) miles (direction to) of the airport inbound to hover over taxiway Bravo to the ramp, Salinaand to depart>Salina traffic, Robinson R22 helo is at the ramp to hover taxiway Bravo then depart the airspace to the South, Salina
>>1890681To put it simply:1. Who you're talking to2. Who you are3. Where you are4. What you're doing and/or intend to do
Would I be fucking myself if I leave my cfi job at 1000 hours and get hired at a local jet job? I may be able to land a job doing some full time 135 stuff. Seems enticing because I would like to stop instructing. Up until this came up, I was thinking about just slumming it until 1500, going to a regional, then hopefully a major. Long term my goal is probably a major. However, I know that this jet job will probably result in getting my atp later since I think they don’t just immediately give it to you. I build about 80-100 hours a month, so realistically just waiting to go to a regional would be an extra 6 months. What do you guys think?
>>1890725if you're already on the dark side of the moon you might as well just keep going
>>1890726What the fuck does that mean
>>1890725I think it would be more interesting to spend some time flying smaller jets and that bum rushing regionals isn't the be all end allI'm at about 730 right now and once I get my cfiiI'm planning on applying to a place that does PC12s and PC24sFuck instructing honestly the sooner I'm out of here the better
>>1890774>I'm planning on applying to a place that does PC12s and PC24swhat place? I'd love to sit right seat on a PC-24 doing gravel hops.
>>1890776I'm not telling stay away from my future job they need to hire ME
Passed my multi engine ride on Saturday.Also BOne appreciation
>>1890725How are your other minimum times looking? Like your XC time? I'm having trouble getting enough as a CFI and thought about doing the same to fill it in.
>Now boarding
>>1890808>Yo muhfuggas, we boardin dis bitch to Chitown
Is being a military pilot that great? Is flying cargo/bombers similar to flying pax jets? feel like I missed out on some cool flying if I had gone that route. I tell myself getting a fighter slot is like winning the lottery in order to cope.
>>1890836Isn't it extremely difficult to become a pilot in the military? Something like a 0.1% acceptance rate for air force pilots. You'd probably have a better chance of becoming a brain surgeon or a wall street executive than a fighter pilot.
where have you been, haven't seen these for months. I missed you <3
I've been reading up on the FAA's "Pilot's Handbook of Aeronautical Knowledge" that some anon recommended last thread, any other book/podcast/series you'd recommend for anons preparing for flight school? Also any anon here that got LASIK? Does getting the procedure hurt your chances of going the commercial route?
>>1890808Will be interesting seeing the increase of crashes that everyone refuses to admit were pilot error.
>>1890970The course of events will be as follows:- those racist aircraft have all "technical faults" that target poc.- more redundancy systems and more additional "safety features" will be required- all increased costs for unnecessary shit plus training of monkeys for using it will be passed through as fare increase and in a few years we will fly coach class for the prices of business
>>1890984The airlines are just posturing. Guaranteed the chief pilots don't want those monkeys near the controls, either.
>>1890992>>1890992+ they are probably on paid, nearly permanent reserve
Can I just buy my own Cessna 152 and fly it for 1200 hours to get to ATP after I get my CPL? Seems like the cheapest most viable option for people who don't want to do CFI. Will the regionals still want to hire me with that kind of experience?
>>1890993>>1890992If you look at any photos of new class hires, it’s still 80 percent white dudes and the rest are a mix of colored people and woman. All an airline needs to do to look like they’re being progressive is to post a picture online of two darkies in the cockpit together
>>1891038If spending an extra 100 grand plus seems like the most viable way, then go ahead
>>1891048I see lots of 152's for around $50k. What's my other option? It would cost something like $200k to rent for that many hours and there aren't any jobs available to 250 hour pilots that aren't CFI.
>>1890910As the anon who recc’d the PHAK, you may wan to look onto the Airplane Flying Handbook. Its really basic airmanship in text form, but maybe its of interest to you. I also have had LASIK, which I originally got in pursuit of the USAF but I never joined. Between LASIK and PRK, PRK is safer with an apparent month heal time, where LASIK “less safe” and works instantly, a week heal time. Go PRK if you have the time to heal and don’t have to do real vision shit while you wait (driving, reading, etc). I have had zero issues with my LASIK, though in the 8 years since, my vision has degraded about 10 feet per eye, its the same degradation you’d have with or without. LASIK is 99.99% safe in the modern day, as a machine performs the procedure, and the doctor oversees the machine and charges you for the pleasure. All boomer myths about LASIK dangers only applied when it was done by a doctor by hand, the only remaining danger is your eye “flap” never fully heals after LASIK, which is why PRK is slightly safer. Good news, with this flap, you can get LASIK again when your vision degrades enough to justify the cost again. At the conclusion of the procedure, have the eye doc fill out FAA 8500-7, make copies of it, and forward it to FAA OKC, and either keep it on you, or bring it to your AME at your next medical. Its unclear to me if you need a new medical immediately, or can go without until yours expires. The safest route is to get a new medical after LASIK, unless you’ve never had a medical in the first place, then it doesn’t really matter, keep a 8500-7 in case it ever comes up in the futue.Outside of military aspirations, there is no “real” benefit to LASIK in the cockpit.
>>1891042Hopefully they just wash them out of the training class.
>>1891049The problem with 152s is a lot of parts aren't being made any more, so you have to salvage other aircraft to keep yours going. And $50k is too expensive for a 152 at this point.
>>18910651200 hours is almost a guaranteed overhaul too
Triple decker airliners when? I mean imagine we're in a world that isn't about squeezing profits out of normal people like a juicer and instead does cool world fair shit like the 30's
>>1891088I know reddit is gay, but do they not have any sense of humour?
>>1891054Thanks for the recommendation anon, basic stuff may not be that attractive, but learning and understanding the fundamentals will help a lot for my confidence.You've also given me stuff to think about for LASIK, I've got a consultation and screening later this month to learn more and see if I'm eligible, but to be honest I'm mainly leaning towards continued use of glasses. I'll decide around June/July if I really want to get LASIK or PRK, gonna go visit the various flight schools around me and check what they're offering and try to get opinions from people in the field.I'm just tired of the fear that my bad eyesight will fuck up my chances of flying as a career.
>>1891130If your vision is correctable to 20/20, you have full color vision, and some shit about eye alignment (like, you don’t have a lazy eye) you won’t have issues. Color vision and 20/20 are the basic gist. If you can hold a FAA First Class medical, that’s the end of it. Anything more is discrimination. If you’re not looking for a potential military career, just get a second/first class medical and that’ll confirm you’re legal to fly (second and first have identical standards for a pilot below age 35). If you don’t know already, always lie on your medical application, the truth is for faggots and moralfags who want to never fly a plane
https://www.mesa-air.com/mesa-pilot-development>$25/hr to build time up to 1500 hrs>0% interest loan that you don't need to pay back until after you're hired>only requirement is a 3 year commitment to stay with mesaThis sounds too good to be true. Literally free time building. What's the catch?
>>1891327Also says that they will give you up to 40 hrs of time a week if you want it. That's less than 8 months to get from CPL to ATP.
>>1891327>This sounds too good to be true. Literally free time building. What's the catch?Wikipedia (normal caveats apply) states:>On December 17, 2022, Mesa announced a wind down of its American Eagle flying effective on April 2023. The schedule for Mesa will be greatly reduced by March 2023. American Airlines says Mesa’s reliability and financial difficulties are cause for concern. Mesa reported that the contract with American has resulted in massive losses, but that a new deal with United is in the works. There may not be a Mesa long term.
>>1891337They're being replaced by Air Wisconsin, which is leaving United, so Mesa will take their place. They're just being shuffled around, it's not like any of these airlines is suddenly going to go bankrupt.
>>1891144what about reporting arrests on a medical?
>>1891347Medical history isn’t public, criminal history is. IIRC the only reportable criminal history is for DUIs on a medical.>>1891327The catch is, Mesa is a shithole company, but at that cost it’s probably worth your while to suck it up at Mesa.
>>1889845>be me >Play ace combat when I'm 10>dream about being a pilot since then>get PPC>see that lufthansa is offering scholarships>idea>want to apply>need to pass a medical exam>go there it takes a lot of time>pass almost everything just fine>go to cardiology>mfw they find some rare as fuck arrythmia in me>tell me to go to a hospital for a reference>Mfw it's true and I have a a year and a half to get some complicated surgery in switzerland before my heart starts shutting down>Mfw I fail the medical>Mfw they charged me 250$>Mfw
>>1891351>IIRC the only reportable criminal history is for DUIs on a medical.what if the charge is dropped and record expunged?
>>1891352F
>>1889845why cant i put a brigs on a para glider and fly my ass to the liquor store
>>1891352be glad they found it ahead of time. imagine you never found out and have a heart attack while driving
>>1891362Tucker? jk, sup Geese<3 from /ccg/
>>1891356I’m not a lawyer, and record expungement doesn’t mean shit. But if you were never convicted you should be fine. Pleading a DUI down to aggravated driving of something else is still a DUI in the eyes of the FAA. I am not a lawyer, I am a sky trucker.
>>1891374That's the pro of course, still I want to reapply when whatever this is get's fixed. Do you guys approve of the airline scholarship idea tho?
>>1891339I’m sure United will learn very fast that m*sa is an unreliable POS company. Not that any of the other airlines that do their regional flying are better though.
>>1891464Yes absolutely, Lufthansa has a good training program and pays well too.At least you can skip going through the same thing pretty much all European pilots have to do, that is going to Ryanair or wizz.Can’t complain on the former thought, the company is alright and the planes are new they just make you work like a dog.
I can't believe I'm having to ask this, but what is the sub-r*ddit that has all the commercial pilots on it? I'm trying to find a HIMS AME that is worth a shit.
>>1889845Pilot didn't open flaps till starting take off on my plane today
>>1891576wat airline
Hey any CFIs here have any tips for a student not flaring enough? Like they pull back enough initially but don't continue to pull back and would land hard on the nose wheel if I didn't get on the yoke and pull. It's been many landing flights and he just isn't getting it. I've never had a student not get it for this long and nothing I've been trying is getting though. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
>>1891651Maybe try having them pull back in stages. Show them to physically pull back one inch at a time when they get ‘nervous’ in the round out. Instead of the fluid motion, a robotic pull back may be a help to them. And tell them, at idle power, even a pullback that results in the plane climbing away from the runway will quickly be arrested by the drag, and so long as they are only pulling one metaphorical notch at a time. With a “mastery” of this, it’ll help them fake it and make it.
>>1891651Say "keep pulling back"
>>1891651Had a chinese instructor for a xcountry flight once well into my instrument rating. I used to flare then drop nose too soon all the time. When I was landing with him and started to drop he kept repeating “patience”. It finally clicked. Now I just repeat it to myself all the time. I think alot of students think the plane will fly away if they don’t go nose down after a while, when in reality you just need patience that airspeed will naturally die off and take lift with it.
Statistically speaking what are the chances that I will crash and die flying cessnas at some point during the 1500 time building hours before I make it to an airline?
>>1891651Yeah I got a student exactly like this. I just continue to say "hold it off" over and over and sometimes it works. But usually he still cocks it up. Actually, this student is just really bad at flying airplanes, no natural talent whatsoever. At least he puts in the effort studying.
>>1891687Yeah, everyone has a different phrase or something that makes it "click." I struggled with flaring too early on autorotations for a while until my instructor started saying, "have the guts to wait," as we got closer to the flare point. For whatever reason, that was what I needed to gut the fear of dying and the irrational urge to flare (even though flaring at that point would equal death). I still repeat it to myself when practicing autos, always hearing him telling me to gut it out.
>>1891701It's equivalent to the amount of licks it takes to get to the center of a TootsiePop
I lifted off from the pad and hover-taxied to the runway on my own for the first time today, and at no point did I or the instructor feel like I was going to run us into a building and die.
I'm a Californian, going to finish uni pretty soon, and want to become an ag pilot. Is anyone here in the industry or related to it? Is this possible for a complete outsider?
>>1891729No, it’s not worth doing lmao. And it’s not a time building job
>>1891701Not high enough
>>1891733>not worth doingWhy not? Isn't the pay supposed to be decent?
>>1891733>>1891735Oh and>not a time building jobObviously I know that, I want to do it for a living.
>>1891701u either do or u dont. 50/50
Thanks for the responses guys appreciate it.>>1891657I've been thinking about trying something like that. Maybe use my hand as a limiter then tell him to just pull back as much as he can and I'll be there to stop when it's just right so he can get the feel for how much pressure he needs to put in. He's has a general tendency to under control the aircraft, too. One thing I also want to potentially try is having him "roundout and flare" at altitude so he can see how much pressure is needed. May be actually more than needed since we wouldn't be in ground effect at 3000'. >>1891658That's what I did at first but he just doesn't or pulls back not nearly enough.>>1891687Good point and I've demonstrated the airplane just wants to float above the runway a lot. But he's just not getting the feel for keeping the plane off the runway until it settles down itself. >>1891712>Actually, this student is just really bad at flying airplanes, no natural talent whatsoeverI kinda feel the same way with this student, too. I hate to say it but I think it's true. He still has trouble maintaining heading and altitude. Even after trying to teach it multiple ways. In the program I teach in the students also need some simulated instrument time before the solo and every time the students get that quickly. Guess they usually look at the instruments anyways. But this student could not hold a heading or altitude to save his life under the hood. Also I don't know this for certain but I have a suspicion he is getting fatigued and doesn't have the muscle to pull back enough after a few landings. I don't want to assume that but it was a thought I had.
>>1891651Seat height too low
>>1889845Are those windows on the cargo door?
>>1891849Pull up
>>1891651Not a CFI however I found practicing power off stalls to help quite a bit with understanding the stall point for landing.
>>1891898power to idle
>>1891971Rudder to point the nose aileron to control the driftToo much left rudder*Sideloads*
>>1891971pull back moremoreMoreMO-*bends firewall*
>>1891729All I know is, you need alot of tailwheel time to get into Ag. If you don’t have a tailwheel endorsement already, get one when practical.
>I landed on charlie?
>>1892008I plan to do most of my CPL in a Citabria.
>>1892018Happen to live in the Bay Area? I teach tailwheel at one of the only clubs that rents out citabrias
>>1892032In fact, I'm pretty sure I have your club at the top of my list.
>>1892032>>1892060Just kiss already
Why is this thread so dead? Are there really so few people interested in flying planes? There’s an entire board for driving cars which is infinitely more boring than flying. I don’t get it.
>>1892336I have alot more fun in my Miata and RX-8 than anything I'd have in a plane.
>>1892347There's no adventure in driving. It's basically impossible to die or get hurt in a modern car unless you purposely try to. All of it is just your brain running on autopilot doing the same exact thing for the ten thousandth time. With flying there's always a mission you have to accomplish. You have to figure out how you're going to get to your destination, keep on top of what the plane is doing at all times, constantly checking instruments and navigation, figuring out how to prepare for and perform a descent/landing, and it's different every time depending on winds, visibility, clouds, traffic, etc. It's really the only vehicle-based hobby in the modern world that doesn't feel like a completely braindead waste of time.
>>1892382There's no adventure in flying. It's basically impossible to die or get hurt in a modern aircraft unless you purposely try to. All of it is just your brain running on autopilot doing the same exact thing for the ten thousandth time. With driving there's always some mischief you have to accomplish. You have to figure out how you're going to not get pulled over, keep on top of what the car is doing at all times, constantly checking coolant temps and the radar detector, figuring out how to prepare for and perform a sick skid, and it's different every time depending on pavement, tire treadwear, temperature, traffic, etc. It's really the only vehicle-based hobby in the modern world that doesn't feel like a completely braindead waste of time.
>>1892387Pure cope. Even the most retarded 60 iq ape can drive a car just as good as anyone else. In fact millions of them are doing it right now at this very moment. There's really nothing more braindead than driving a modern car.
>>1892390you are feeding a (You) miner. Stop.
>>1891554Yeah I took a look at these scholarships and although they are popular they aren't very good. They appear cheap at first glance but there's a lot of hidden, overpriced stuff like 800 euro for two sets of uniforms, 1000 euro deposit for some tablet that you can only use during lectures and 2000 euro per semester (or year? Don't remember) just to have a small bus drive you from kavala to the airport nearby (it's 10-15 minutes away). I might go with Ryanair as plan B because my landings are kinda rough and they'll give me extra credit for that so.
>>1892390Riding a motorcycle on track is a lot like flying a Robbie. Hyper alert of everything that's happening, machine is on the verge of mechanical failure at all times, the smallest mistake means death. I love it.
I'm in awe of the sentiment universally and regularly expressed by each of my different instructors regarding the apparent monumental autism of Frank Robinson
NOOOO GIGACHAD!!! DID YOU JUST HECKIN FLY YOUR CLAPPED OUT CHEROKEE WITHOUT A WEATHER BRIEFING, NO FLIGHT FOLLOWING, BUZZING THE CITY WITH NO REGARD TO NOISE ABATEMENT WITH YOUR TRANSPONDERS OFF?? YOU'RE SO UNSAFE, THIS IS PROBLEMATIC!
>>1892464Please elaborate
>>1892474what are you trying to convey here?
My flight school has a choice between C172's and PA28's. Which one would be better to learn to fly on?
>>1892549Pipers are giga based airplanes for future winnersCessna's are cringe airplanes for women (with ELECTRIC FLAPS by Allah)Jokes aside pipers are my personal favorite for reasons that aren't really important
>>1892551Shut up muzzfag
>>1892382>>1892390Imagine trying to deny the existence of motorsports meanwhile saying that flying your dream commuter "A*rbus" plane is an exciting prospect. Post pilot cert
>>1892347>having fun in a car that isn't on a trackHow?
>>1892554SeethingSimmer is back! You will never be a real pilot.
Will I ever make it to being a captain on a widebody if I'm 35 and just starting flight school or should I just be satisfied with being a 737 captain by the end of my career? I do plan on doing my training as fast as possible so I can be a FO at a regional within 2-3 years from now.
>>1892576Anything is possible in this climate, but keep focus on the 737 CA title just so you don't get let down. t. are you me?
>>1892577Yeah I mean I don't really care that much, I was just wondering what the best possible outcome would be at the end of my career. Either way being a captain at any major airline would be an amazing well paid career to have.
Taking the commercial written soon. Should I take the CFI written tests the same day or a day later? There is the FOI and FIA and I think the FIA is basically the same test? >>1892576I'm turning 35 soon. 2-3 years is a bit unrealistic to go from 0 -> FO at regional unless you can absolutely hammer through training at a place like ATP, get on with a busy flight school and have 0 problems along the way. I know one gut that is sitting at 900 hours after 18 months but he is also $100K+ in debt.
>>1892608>take them on the same dayBad idea>FOI and FIA same testNo
>>1892611Should have clarified, CAX == FAI. Why is it a bad idea? Isn't just the same material?
>>1889845No niggers on planes. Demonstrate citizenship pre boarding. Those failing are to be executed, Immediately.
>>1892683Based.I'm tempted to say pilots should take advantage of being mostly white and conservative before it's too late, but then again they are pretty much beholden to airliners so there isn't really anything they can do.
>>1892474Weather briefing?Flight following?And I was 1000' AGL at all times
>>1892480Every observation or complaint I have about the R22 is met with some variation of "because Frank">Yeah there's not much headroom, Frank Robinson was only like 5'6">The fuel mix pull probably shouldn't be there, but Frank Robinson didn't see any problem with it>If you think anything about this helicopter is weird, just remember that Frank designed it exclusively for himself and use by anyone else is basically incidental>Yeah big parts of the air intake system were just standard HVAC parts at first because Frank Robinson was a cheap bastard>The 44 is way more pleasant to fly, mostly because it was designed for humans and not just Frank RobinsonAll of these nearly verbatim.
>>1892694True to an extent. But my instructor is super autistic about engineering (he's an instructor as a side hustle, main job is a Boeing engineering project manager) and he said the R22 is the size it is because every single part except for the windshield, doors, and main rotor blades was designed to meet luggage requirements. Frank shipped the entire helicopter from Hawaii to the mainland through flying back and forth on airlines with parts as his luggage. The tail rotor blades are literally the exact spec for maximum carry on size (at the time).
I love the R22 btw. I did my SFAR 73 requirements for the R44 and the only thing I really like more is how autos are completely uneventful in the R44. The R22 drops like a fuckin' rock and despite thousands of autos in the books at this point, I still hate it every time.The range of the R44 is nice too. Flew out to Catalina island for a day trip and I dunno if I'd want to take the R22 out over open water like that.
>>1892699Are auto-rotations the hardest part of flying helicopters?I saw some guys practicing this and it looked like a crash was about to happen (wobbling and sinking at a fast rate...pitched up about what looked to be 15-20 degrees nose high before settling down).
>>1889880 I lament the expense of civilian aviation and the fact that it's stuck in the 1940's forever>Have you eve flown a Beech Staggerwing?Get back to me when you have, and tell me how awful 1940's aircraft are.
>>1892700Definitely takes a fuck load of practice hours. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KayzJetqnrI
>>1892700Low altitude hover. Holding it stable when it's sucking it's own wind. Learned that in a Hiller. You should get time in a Hughes 300 ASAP..
>>1892703Fuck that...I'm sticking to fixed wing.
>>1892705Rotary wing time makes you appreciate fixed wings. Embrace it.
>>1892700Honestly, no. Autos aren't really difficult once you get the muscle memory down. They can be stressful, but I wouldn't say they are "hard."I mostly have a hard time with confined area steep approaches because I'm usually flying damn near the max gross of the R22 (I weigh 220lbs and usually max out the fuel I can carry so I can get the most out of my time) and it just doesn't have a large power margin available if your descent gets out of control. Add in a confined area and it just gets really stressful.
>>1892705That's a beta attitude. Join the rotorcraft master race!
>>1892708Thats why you need time away from a fucking Robby. Somthing with nuts that in a pinch you can go fullWFO on the collective and boot the pedals and pull out. You could do that with an old UH1 just from the sheer rotor inertia Bring it in at flat pitch but roll on the power so you had a gentle settling intertia, but massive energy in the blades, and full engine power, so if you needed you could go full collective for a bit and "hop" out of trouble.
>>1892712It's more a R22 problem than a Robbie problem. The R44 has plenty of guts and rotor inertia, autos are super uneventful. Robbies also have more guts than they put off, to be fair. I've pulled max MAP in a R22 trying to arrest a descent but, to be fair, the MAP limits in Robbies are way below what *actual* max MAP is. For example, the J2A variant in the R22 is the same as the Cabri but the G2 makes the full 145ish ponies and the Robbie limits it with placards to 132 or whatever (just off the top of my head here). But if you say fuck the MAP limits, you can get it to make all 145hp no problem.Robbies do that because they obsess over LTE, the MAP limits are what they are because that's the max MAP you can pull with full left pedal and still not lose rotor RPM. If you don't need full pedal, you can ask for more and itll give it to you. Definitely did just that when I was still in training and my fat ass + instructor needed an extra 2 inches of MAP to not smack the ground while rejoining the needles at the end of autos.
>>1892712Also, my instructor always talks about how the wooden blade Bell 47s have such a freakish amount of rotor inertia, he loves them to death. He said there's a clip somewhere where a dude does a power off hover auto, gently settles it down, then picks it back up to hop over a 5ft fence and sets it back down on the other side.He also said they're great for instructors trying to maximize billable hours since they have no rotor brake and those high inertia blades take a full 10 minutes or so to stop after powering off.
>>1892715See 99% of my time was in Bell 47's and Hillers. You had huge rotor inertia, for good and bad.And all I was doing was working on them. If I flew it was an "accident".
>>1892720How much time do you have in them?I ask because I'm a PPL and just fly for personal leisure, no interest in flying commercial. Provided no major catastrophes happen, I should be in the market to buy a bird for myself in the next couple years. I've mostly had my eyes on a 300C now that there's a factory in Texas making new Schwiezer parts. But I always see Hillers for sale, I just don't know much about them. A Bell 47 would be the dream, but most of the affordable ones belong to dudes who flew in the middle of bumfuck nowhere and don't have ADSB or comms installed. Some insight on how the Hillers behave would be neat.
>>1892695That just speaks more to Frank's astounding autism
>>1892735I just wish that cunt didn't come up with the 12 year airframe time limit. I'd buy a R22 in a heartbeat if it didn't mean literally getting fucked for not flying it.
I got a question for the rotorheads here: is the Vuichard VRS recovery just more or less crabwalking sideways out of your own downwash?
>>1890992They won;t back off . I hated dealing with the chimps as an A&P. Got to where I refused to sign off on their work, because it was shit or pencil whipped. Boss threatened to fire me, so I quit.
>>1892756Yes.It works, but IMO isn't useful unless you train it a lot, and VRS is inherently dangerous to train, so I dunno. While it isn't as effective, the standard method of nosing forward and flying straight out of VRS is easier for most pilots to not only grasp, but employ in real life, because it's identical to the recovery from settling with power prior to VRS actually developing.Vuichard is a good technique for guys who do a specific job like long line work who are regularly performing high OGE hovering, but for most other pilots, the standard recovery is going to be a little easier to train toward.
>>1892756The only issue my instructors have brought up with it is that it gets taught wrong/sketchy with various videos and sources saying "apply max input to x and x" when in reality that would (and did) get someone killed because the r22 just goes "lol no"It doesn't require anywhere near the input stated to accomplish in practice.
>>1892797I've heard similar about the monkeys that work at AA's Tulsa MX base. Got a couple of buddies that work there and I get snaps every so often about nigger screw ups.
>>1892817Inducing VRS for training is arguably the most risky thing someone can do in a helicopter, even moreso with semi-rigid rotor system ones. There's a reason why many new-age schools forbid allowing it. The argument is normal recovery from SWP is the same as the recovery from full blown VRS, so there's really no reason to let a 800+fpm vertical descent happen when a pilot should be responding at 300fpm anyways.I fucking hated VRS training because the whole time during the set up it felt wrong and there's no fucking way no matter how little I'm paying attention I'd let that full rocking descent occur before thinking maybe I should nose it forward and get back into ETL. It might be more useful for CPLs to practice but IMO VRS training has no purpose for PPLs except to get us killed.
>>1890992>>1892797>>1892859I want to see how single pilot operations would work with these diversity hires. Sure a proper Captain can pick up the slack for a monkey FO but what happens when they are the only pilot on board?
>>1892975Go into a job interview with this attitude and let us know how successful that works for you. By the way, your "we'll reach out to you" response has nothing to do with the so called monkey's.
>>1892986r u rarted?
>>1892986bot post
>>1892800Isn't settling with power and VRS the same?The FAA helicopter pilot manual at least says so
>>1893070Not really. The US is behind the curve on it, since FAA pubs say it is the same, but other countries and the US military now acknowledge it is different.To keep it as simple as possible, SWP is when you don't have enough power to arrest your descent.VRS is when a vertical descent gets too fast and the blades enter their own vertices, losing their ability to produce lift.You could say VRS is SWP, but SWP isn't necessarily VRS. An example of the latter is incidences requiring a running landing. You take off in the morning at max gross, sun comes up, now you don't have the performance to maintain altitude below ETL. If you were to attempt to enter a hover, the bird would descend even at maximum power. It isn't because of cortices, it's just because a hover requires more power than you have, hence SWP.
>>1892975As a former Part 135 single-pilot freight dog flying the BE99, BE1900, and SA227 Metroliner, because the company was awful, they'd hire anyone, and the guys who couldn't do it got weeded out pretty quick. Usually it was women having the retard issues, my dark skin niggas could do it fine usually. Fuck bros, I hate women.Good to know based Tucker called out the dumbass HR process hiring women, browns and queers over competent and professional straight white men for pilot jobs. Not a perfect description but close enough for the majority non-aviation audience. But no amount of Tucker coverage will change the hiring practices, only multiple retards hit a mountain will companies even consider rethinking their process. And even then, doubtful.
>>1893122That sounds like Ameriflight. What did you think of them? Is their shit reputation deserved?
>>1892975They'll work all the way to the ground, quickly.
>>1890984There’s always the alternative>more redundancy systems and more additional "safety features" will be required>leads to full aircraft automation with a supervisor instead of a pilot>automation is safer than humans, no one wants the risk of having a human error when they can just sue Garmin for when their shitty code breaks
>>1892387>tfw you get pulled over for violating noise abatement>awkwardly hovering in mid air as the cop gets his jet pack on and flies over to your plane>glides up to your window and asks for license and flightplan>struggle to reach it in the back seat>tfw he recognizes your voice from shitposing on Guard>arrests you for wreckless flying>hauls you out and stuffs you into the back of his Cirrus>watch as your plane is towed away by a 737MAX>just as you fly away see it crash and drag your plane into the ground
>>1892387>night>IMC>alone in a 1969 cessna>look out with a flashlight, ice starts to build up on struts>engine starts to make weird noises, or is that just me?>this is boring anyway>there's no adventure in flying.
I'm thinking of going to a part 141 flight school to get my CPL after I get my PPL. It's going to cost at least double what it would at a part 61, but I feel like the time save and the fact that I can finance it with a student loan will be well worth it. They don't require you to start repaying the loan until after you've already done your time building to 1500 hours, at which point I'll already be at an airline so I should be able to afford it. Am I making a mistake?
>>1893175As someone fighting with student loans (not aviation related) over the past 10 years or so, it isn't necessarily a bad idea but don't sign anything unless you know the terms of that loan down to the letter. Any time someone says something like, "It's no big deal, you can just wait until X Y Z before you actually have to pay it off," regarding a loan, there's likely some fine print in there designed to fuck your face.
>>1890789Congrats!
>>1893118thanks, that was very helpful
>>1893130It's all deserved. Maintenance, payroll, HR, they're all fuck ups. YMMV on your fellow pilots.In fact, they don't have a FAA approved 135 SIC PDP, the program where a copilot can log real time in the right seat of an otherwise single pilot type aircraft. They literally just don't tell the copilots (specifically in the Metro, but historically in the Beeches) that they can't log their flight time and no one has called them on it. I too fell for this scheme and upgraded on flight time that wasn't legally loggable, like most former non E120/Saab Ameriflight FOs. Before some fellow former Amflighter says some dumb shit, the allowance for an SIC to log time 'Only usable towards a Part 135 upgrade' expired in Jan 2019, and the FAA wouldn't let them renew it because the SIC PDP became available in 2018. Obviously there's more backend to this, I've simplified it where possible. Also, the whole UPS flow they've got going is a sham. all the yuppies that were in it have been leaving for better jobs, especially since one of the star children finished the program, was denied a FO job at UPS, and then ollied a Metro into a golf course a month later (totally unrelated). Can't say I blame them, work 6 days a week for years only to have UPS deny your flow for no apparent reason, meanwhile you could be at a Legacy if you had gone to a regional instead. You know, getting jet, crew, Part 121, FMC time with half a month off at a time. lolThey also recently removed their DFW Metro base, told their DFW based Metro captains, no worries guys, we'll positive space you or give you a transition to another DFW airplane. Then they told all the DFW Metro FOs that they have a week to move to El Paso without any help from the company or they're in violation of their training contracts.Moral of the story is, if you want that job, make it work for your benefit. Don't take a SIC job on a single pilot plane, don't sign a training contract. Quit the second something better comes around.
>>1893175I'd recommend against Part 141 for a commercial on the basis of, Part 61 is 20 hours of CFI training, Part 141 is 120 hours in curriculum at the expensive school with minimum 55 hours with a CFI (school curriculum could be higher). That said, if money is the motivating factor, just be sure the school curriculum won't fuck you epic style. The only Part 141 school I'd recommend ever is for a Instrument rating, 35 hours of CFI training, vs part 61 90 hours of overall flying (kinda)
>>1893423I was initially looking at ATP but then I found another local flight school that's part 141 and their prices are about the same as a part 61 school. $30k total for IR+CPL and then another $20k if I want to get all the CFI and multi-engine ratings. I would still want to take out a loan for that but originally I thought I would have to spend at least $80k+ for it.
>150's engine shut down during the idle checkI am so tired of these shitty old airplanes and being an instructor
I always feel like such a g, showing up to my cfi job hungover as fuck. Feel like Denzel then get in the plane and feel like shit all day
>>1893420I’m just building 135 XC time, I’m sitting at ~1400TT now, my goal is Empire. Id love to fly a C208 single pilot, that sounds more enjoyable than the airlines to me. Just curious on the Ameriflight route, I hear nothing but horror stories from that place.
>>1893453At least it didn’t happen in flight
>>1890853~20% of Officers are pilots, pass rate for UPT is at least 90%. Tough but not that hard.
I love airships.
>>1893426Do NOT learn to fly with ATP. I know flight instructors from there and while they banged out all their ratings in 8 months, they are $100K+ in debt. They also have (in my opinion) a punishing training routine. I figured that even if I spent the same amount of money, I'd get better quality training that was more specific to my needs at a part 61 school. So far with PPL and IR at around 270 hours I've spend ~$50K. Probably will end at around $70K with CPL, CFI, CFII and CMEL.
just want my local airport (and job) back lads
>>1893640>~20%You sure about that? I thought you had to be an officer to be a pilot in the military. Anecdotally, I know a guy that who had a 3.0 in psychology from some shit school and worked as a bar tender after college. He got his rating at a mom&pop flight school and eventually found a guard unit to fly F-16s. It was annoying because my own stats were manga cum laud from state university with dual degrees in engineering and business, successful work experience at F100 company and held a PPL at the time. The recruiter told me "we can let you in as enlisted and you can eventually maybe get promoted and go to UPT."
>>1893855Where in the UK?
>>1893866Doncaster
>>1893867import more migrants so there will be a market for flights to Warsaw, Lagos, New Delhi
>>1893874already had regular flights to/from poland and romania
>>1893640they'll let you pass UPT then cram you in the back of an E-7 as a CSO. its the oldest trick in the book, the navy and USAF both employ it very liberally.its like any sort of selection in the service. if they like you and want you in the club they'll make it signficantly easier on you, and if they don't they'll almost force you to quit. and if you somehow make it or they're indifferent enough about you to let the chips fall as they may then you'll get past selection then ghettoized into a unit or job that will fail to meet your expectations.join the guard. that way if you get something shitty you are only on the hook part-time unless you deploy, and deployments are almost always fun no matter what your job.
>>1893854Thoughts on AeroGuard? They run at my local airport but the whole>become one of our flight instructors immediately after completing your student pilot coursessounds a bit suspect admittedly coming from someone who knows nothing.
>>1893887No one passes UPT then gets a CSO assignment, CSOs have their own training pipeline.
>>1893856He said 20% of officers are pilots, not 20% of pilots are officers. Meaning, if you go through a commissioning source (ROTC, etc), there's an 80% chance you'll be assigned to a non-flying job. I didn't fact check the percentages, and I'm assuming this guy means USAF, but the idea is correct overall. That said, now is an easy time to get a flight slot in the military, and if you sign for a specific job out of OCS, either you get it, or you can walk away. ROTC and the Academy don't offer that kind of guarantee. >>1893887idk what this guy is smoking, but he's not correct at all in regards to UPT (pilot training) or CSO/NFO use. Closest thing to reality is, the Army will allow a high school graduate to become a Warrant Officer and Helo pilot, but if you fail at any point in training (WOCS or UPT) you're fucked into usually an aircraft maintenance job as a junior enlisted man. The US doesn't fly E-7s either.
Sup /n/iggers.I've been tinkering with the idea of getting into becoming a professional drone pilot, for survey work in Canada.Anyone do this for a living? I'm 70% through a PPL and wondering if this would be an advantage on my resume.
>>1891464>>1891554Would Lufthansa hire international PPLs, like from Canada?
>>1894006Not sure but I think you have to be an EU citizen
Does anybody know of a torrent for this?
>>1892403My man, the cadet program with Ryanair is 30000€ + a month and a half in either Castle Donington (if you are lucky) or that shit hole that is Bishop Stortford.Plus the costs of living and the uniforms.A spitball price for the entirety of the type rating program, what I spent at least, is like 38k to 39k €, and I was lucky because that mad man that is my buddy drove from Ancona (Italy) to East Midlands in a van full of food.
>>1894266Woyld Ryanair hire me>>1894006
>>1894269You need an European CPL with frozen atpl + uprt to enter the cadet program.
>>1894255You’re going to spend at least $10k to get your ppl and you want to cheap out on $280? King Schools has the best online ground school courses btw.
>>1894274 I dunno man. My cousin has King and I used Dauntless for my studying. King is better I guess if you really want to obsess over knowing the ins and outs of all the shit. But let's be real here, ground school is for passing the written test primarily and you're best learning the oral check ride part from an instructor. Dauntless is way better and significantly less expensive in regards to preparing for the written test. Less fluff than King, you can just bang through the test questions endlessly taking practice exams until you regularly ace them, taking a gander at the explanations for the ones you get wrong and don't understand why.
>>1894255If I can figure out how to export the whole course, I'll make one for you
>>1894292ty anon that would be sick if you could make it happen, but don't work too hard on my account.
>>1894302saved login isn't working and it isn't letting me reset my password. Sorry anon ;-;
>>1889845Any of you have recommendations for an accelerated multiengine course? There is no real good options where I am located. I have heard good things about Midwest Corporate. What have you all done to get it knocked out?
>>1894314Go to midwest corporate
>>1894255Sheppard Air is unironically the best. It literally contains every single exact question that could possibly be on every exam.
>>1894314School I went to had a Seminole for the Multi addon so I didn't need to go anywhere. Took me 11 hours including the checkride.
I don't get it, why are so many people ok with becoming CFI's to build time? The amount of risk and responsibility you have to take on from having students seems insane. How can anyone take that job unless they really just enjoy teaching people? I'd rather spend a year flying planes in antarctica or some other remote hellscape than ever have to deal with that.
>>1894510the only way you fly planes in antarctica is by being canadian or in the NY air national guard. pretty coveted spot teebeeych.
>>1894510https://youtu.be/F157geaXp_w
>>1894510Blame the retards that implemented the 1500h rule.To this i personally add that the training of pilots decreases in quality overall since an instructor that only wants to build time won’t give much of a shit when he’s teaching.I also read somewhere that the 1500 h rule is actually detrimental because many pilots develop and solidify habits that on props are good but terrible on a big jet and of course take time to correct.Don’t know, in my opinion they should remove this retarded thing, it would greatly benefit everyone.
>>1894546>I also read somewhere that the 1500 h rule is actually detrimental because many pilots develop and solidify habits that on props are good but terrible on a big jet and of course take time to correct.If you can find that article, I'd love to read it. I hear it's about 45 hours of sim time at the regionals, so that may correlate with what you are saying.
>>1894510What other fucking choice do we have? You just give me any other job and I'll take it.I'm determined to get out of it as soon as I can, and luckily there's a place I really want to work for in an area I really want to live that hires at 750. But until then I'm stuck doing this trash job, and I can't even guarantee I'll get the job if I apply so I might be doing this until 1500 after all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZc1TdJFAFsWhat the fuck was he trying to do?
>>1894584car brain took over and he forgot about his pedals. look at him trying to turn the plane at the end, he thinks he's back on the road.but yeah, putting the power on and trying to go around while perpendicular to the runway as he was skidding across grass only exacerbated his disaster. just power down, check forward and take your L at that point.
>>1894585It's incredible he managed to swerve it that hard. How fucking dumb do you have to be to manage that? Just fucking yeet one pedal to the right for no reason? Even asymmetrical brake failures can be handled easily without doing that at all.
>>1894586just another general aviation paypig. many such cases. go get your A&P and let him fund your retirement.
>>1894582What about all those survey and pipeline jobs that hire 250 hour pilots? Is that not a thing anymore?
>>1894584That hangar saved his life. He was literally full input on right aileron and full input on power (lmao this is the funniest one). Once he rotates and gets altitude he was going straight into the classic doctor-killer stallspin manuever.
>>1894590Lol noTrust me, I tried. I tried real hard. If you get a job like that it's because you know somebody.
Which parts of this book should I read as a ppl student? I see a lot of advanced theory/physics/math stuff that I assume I can skip.
>>1894584Sounds like he landed on the nosewheel or at least a 3-point. Started drifting to the left and honestly made an alright decision to initiate a go around. Don't know why he put so much right rudder pressure in, though. Maybe he was subconsciously correcting for the left turning tendencies? Also sounded like he was braking. If he didn't keep the yoke all the way back and let speed build he might have been able to get airborne and clear the hangar. The plane even started to nose up twice but he struck the tail with all the back pressure in so that stopped any rotation and climbout he could have gotten. Remember rudder control is still a big part of landing even if you aren't in a tailwheel but some retards don't seem to get that.
>>1894593>>1894590I got lucky and am doing exactly that. Canadian tho, so that 1500 hour thing doesn't matter here.The irony is my total time is 2k, but I'm having a hard time moving up cause I don't have multi crew.Honestly making more here than probably any first year first officer job regional or mainline so taking a regional with a training bond to work fuckass nowhere would be suffering
>>1893834I want them to bring back airships so bad. Zepplins and Blimps.>helium is too expensive waahUse hydrogen>b-buh hydrogen is too dangerous!!!It's been roughly 85+ years since hydrogen airships have been used mainline. In those 85 years technology and safety standards are much more advanced. Plus in the past for every zepplin or blimp crash, hundreds of successful flights have been carried out without issue.>not efficientThey are more efficient than you think, yes a plane is faster, but they didn't call large zepplins sky-cruiseships for no reason. Plus the rule of cool exists.
>>1894614your pic plus the pilots handbook of aeronautical knowledge. plus the aeronautical information manual (AIM). Unfortunately you'll need to understand a little math since there's math questions on the test and you WILL be asked to demonstrate some math and physics knowledge during training.
>>1894550Can’t find it anymore but this site has an abstract.https://www.pilotsourcestudy.org/Mentor pilot goes a bit in detail on this issue in one of his videos.
>>1894629>physics knowledgeSuch as? Genuinely curious if I'm going to be solving complex equations.
>>1894631Not that anon but mainly aerodynamic and weather related physics.There’s also a bit about radio waves in radio navigation if you do the instrument rating.
>>1894629>>1894631>>1894639from what i understand it's literally like entry level factoids type shit. the sort of thing you can get from a youtube video. you don't' need to be anything near scientifically inclined to be a pilot imo
>>1894631No nothing crazy just basic shit like if you point the nose up the plane will slow down and vice versa. Also that slowing down will make the nose want to drop and vice versa. You'd be surprised how many students cannot grasp those concepts for many hours.
>>1894668>Throttle controls speed and Elevators control pitchThe average person can understand>Throttle controls pitch and Elevators control speedThis kills the student
Why is it so hard to find a school to instruct at? Every school I’ve applied to has not reached back out to me.>inb4 not a cfii >inb4 no experience
>>1894614All you really need is a test prep book and some flight training. The written test is lots of dick moves where they write the questions just to trick you instead of testing your knowledge. Luckily the more retarded ones are easily memorialized.
>>1894670You would think after pulling power during the roundout and flare then having the nose drop a dozen times they would start to get it. But it's unfortunately not that easy I guess.
>>1894665More or less, atpl is a bit more in depth but nothing crazy.Unfortunately the books don’t work if you study from them you will not pass, you gotta do the question banks otherwise you won’t pass for a slew of reasons.
>>1894672Idk dude I never had an issue, I literally got hired while the dpe was signing my paperwork for the cert and then found a different job closer to me like a week later
>>1894670you mean power controls sink and elevators control speed (via pitch). this is the most based way to fly
Is FlightGear a good sim?
>>1894670Attitude controls airspeed was slapped in to my head a million times in training.
>summon my helicopterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYKQzL86J9k
To any actual pilots itt: what's it like? Being a pilot is a job I've wanted to do since I was a kid, but after High School I went into stem since it seemed like the safer option. However I am still tempted to say fuck it and get trained for the job after finishing my bachelor. I've always liked flying and the idea of piloting a plane.
>>1893952>if you fail at any point in training (WOCS or UPT) you're fucked into usually an aircraft maintenance job as a junior enlisted man. The US doesn't fly E-7s either.???Only commissioned officers go through UPT. If you wash out, you go to another officer job. If they like you, they go to bat for you to get you a good job. Otherwise you have a good chance of getting a shit job like missiles.>>1890836>Is being a military pilot that great? It's pretty cool.>I tell myself getting a fighter slot is like winning the lottery in order to cope.It's luck and timing combined with skill. From my class, only 5% of the class got a fighter. There were other classes where half the class went to T-38s and over a quarter of the class went on to fighters. If you're not super old, have a college degree, and have a functioning brain, you can apply to guard fighter units and be guaranteed the follow-on assignment provided you perform decently. Open slots usually get a ton of applicants but if they like you it's not impossible to get selected.
>>1894989>since it seemed like the safer optionYou will never be happy in life if you always take the safe path. I quit my well paid programming job and decided to go all in on becoming a pilot, even knowing I'm going to be living in poverty for a few years to get there. I knew that if I didn't do this I was probably going to end up killing myself out of boredom a decade from now because there was nothing left for me to achieve in my career. Still in ppl training right now but I'm 100% committed to going all the way.
>>1895021Good luck anon
>>1895021>Still in ppl training right now but I'm 100% committed to going all the way.Why not keep the programmer job while working towards your commercial?
>>1895013Congrats, you don't know anything about US military flight training and you have zero reading comprehension. Nice of you to drop the ball butterfingers, based on your posts I'd assume you're larping as a USAF pilot because you are dumb as fucking rocks and don't know shit about CSOs either. Try to finish your first year of JROTC before you post again.
>>1895026Army doesn't call it UPT. UPT is specifically Air Force Undergraduate Pilot Training. Always shocks me how confident people can be about shit they know absolutely nothing about. What military aviation experience do you have?
>>1895024Because it would take many more years to get there it if I could only do it in my free time while working at a full time job. I'm already in my 30s and I don't want to delay this career change any more than I have to. I'm pretty much just planning to use up all my life savings to do flight training full time for the next year or two until I can get a flying job like CFI or something else.
Any A&P frens post in here? I just passed all my written examinations and I'm studying for my O&Ps soon. Any advice?
>>1889958>every ULCC picking up kids with half a brain right off the block >everyone upgrading to left seat in six months or less >regionals begging pilots with $100k starting bonuses >everyone updating contracts to get people to come to their airline >spirit and jetblue mergeranon idk why you’re complaining. it’s one of the best times in history to be a new pilot lmao
>>1895115Will it last for the 2-3 years it will take me to get to 1500 hours?
>>1895040Do you remember your resistor color scale? He might ask you to identify a resistor by the color bands. I have it memorized like this:BadBoysRapeOurYoungGirls ButVioletGivesWillinglyBlack, brown, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, grey, white. Gold and silver.You could always fall back to the AC43 13, though.
>>1895159>Black>Brown>ROYGBV>Gray>White
>>1895119Probably, they’re predicting 5 - 6 years to even out barring another economical disaster. Then majors specifically United are announcing significant increases in fleet size. You’ve got time.
>>1895115>anon idk why you’re complaining. it’s one of the best times in history to be a new pilot lmaoNo. Majors still aren't paying for training.
>>1895115i probably won't even be able to start flight training until like 2025/6 (money reasons) will i miss out on this
Hey /gag/, how much would you bay in Aussiefunbux for a Garmin D2 Bravo?My dad gave me one he got from an old flying job to sell for money. I'd keep it for myself but I don't really fly anymore and by the time I do fly again it will be horribly outdated.I believe the Bravo is a few series behind but what do you think a reasonable asking price would be? $500? Dad reckons $1000 but he's a boomer.
>>1895222Good. It's to keep inadequate wankers like you out of the skies.
>>1895222True but they might have to if they can’t get more pilots. United just opened their school last year and at the very least they pay for your PPL. Regionals offering 75k - 100k starting bonuses are basically saying they’re paying for your training without actually paying for it. >>1895233Hard to tell but more than likely. COVID dry fisted the industry. Some people saying it’s going to last into the ‘30s where it’ll get even worse due to retirement waves. They’re still trying to pass raising the pilot retirement age to 67
>>1895303>Regionals offering 75k - 100k starting bonuses are basically saying they’re paying for your training without actually paying for it.Hell of a risk.
>>1895303wait so are you saying i won't miss out
>>1895336go ask reddit bud
>buy airplane>2 weeks in something already broke>order parts for it>something else breaksthey weren't fucking kidding
>>1892336I'm a regular on /o/, /k/, and /wsg/.Today is the first time I've been on /n/ in about 4 years. But we have GA plane threads on /o/ sometimes. I don't know. I like threads about engines and MX more than young adult GA pilots talking about racking up hours. I've spent 14 years in aviation. From DC-3s to 777s and porterfields to PC-12s. I get plenty of plane talk from work colleagues and irl friends.Also, maybe because I associate /n/ with retarded cyclists.>>1895373Welcome to the club. How much time before your engine O/H?
Hey frensWhat kind of seniority can you expect after 5 years in a junior LCC base? Would you be able to hold weekends or 1-2 day trips?
>>1895374negative 350 hours
PC-12 is fun!
>>1895374How feasible is it to buy the carcass of a ww2 fighter and fix it to flying conditions?I have a couple of people that I know that would be down to do it including a mechanical engineer that could rebuild the engine.However I don’t know how much will we have to spend and how much red tape and paperwork bullshit we’ll have to push through.European btw, Italian to be precise.We were thinking about a G55 or pic related (MC205).It’s a pipe dream but would be nice to know if it’s even possible to bring one of these beauties back in the air.
>>1895382O360?>>1895489It depends.I've done restoration work on a medium bomber, and lots of maintenance on the bigger ww2 stuff. B-25, C-47, A-26. The closest I got to a fighter was a T-6 and T-28.Wings and fuselage can be rebuilt with skilled sheetmetal work. Spar damage would take some really really skilled work. But you're dead in the water if you've got a damaged major component like a landing gear or something. That's not really a component you can simply repair or manufacture.Personally, I wouldn't start on that kind of project if it didn't come with a shipping container of spares and maybe a spare plane to pick from.The propeller is a non-issue, suprisingly. MT propeller can work with you on building a prop. But it's going to cost a pretty penny.Engine, again, you need spares. Lots of parts are cast and forged. I don't know Italian engines, but Americans made real extensive use of big tooling for manufacturing and they used plenty of magnesium in the engine cases. Realistically, you're not going to be manufacturing new parts. You'll need a couple preserved engines in crates to build one good one.I have no idea what legal requirements you'd be looking at with EASA.
>>1895500O-200A
>>1895500No clue about the regulations either, knowing easa they are likely to be unnecessarily stringent.The engine is a db-605 don’t know how many are left but this guy said that he has the machinery and knowledge to rebuild one from zero, or so he says.As for the structure that really depends on what we are able to put our hands on.However the most tricky part will be actually flying the thing since nobody has flown one since the second world war and handling an almost 2000hp prop engine is currently out of my field of expertise.Still it’s all up in the air for now it’s only speculation since I have to save money for it and put down a plan and find an airframe that could be restored.
>>1895500>>1895514Engine specification and construction http://www.pilotfriend.com/aero_engines/aero_db605.htmI saw that there’s also the original technical and maintenance manuals that could be bought online.
>>1895489Just Jane is half wey down her path to being the third flying Lancaster. There are about four flying Mosquitos from a total of none ten years ago. Engines can be a sticking point as the Beaufighter restoration has found but almost anything else can be overcome.
>>1895554New Merlin/Griffon foundry when?
>interview with major airline>Potential question is "how would you survive in Toronto off of our starting wage?"Wow, I hate Canada
>>1895632grim, Porter, WJ or AC?>404R22
>>1895701Technically jazz. Sure wish the "shortage" meant anything here. Pretty gross how badly guys are treated here
Who was in the wrong? The boomer pilots or the woman/zoomer?
>>1895821Nigga what even is that
>>1895489If you're doing it "yourself" and you have all the space in your own shop, tooling to create and bend sheet metal, and a bucket of unlimited money, I'd guess a ddcade or two and upwards of a million bucks. The engines/props are usually the hardest part if you're going for restored, but you can always fit a different engine on it and call it a day (I think, I'm not 100% on that). Only one A6M has the original motor I think, the rest are swaps.
>>1895843J-3 Cub on floats. It was involved in a midair collision over Winter Haven, FL with 4 fatalities.
Anyone have experiences with loose animals in the cockpit? Was flying 3 cats as cargo and pic related managed to break out during my leg as PIC. Pushed him back through our cargo nets twice before he started shitting all over some UPS bags.
>>1895979Those sound like some pretty shit pet cases if the cat managed to get out. I've flown animals before but never had one get out.
Whelp, it's over
>>1896136Rip.
Everyone on reddit is saying that it's pretty much impossible to get a FO job at the regionals now. Is this the end of the pilot shortage?
>>1896141From what I’ve heard it’s that they don’t have enough resources to train the new FOs. I know people that were signing contracts for November and December back in mid February. It seems they’re trying to prioritize training new captains so they can fly with the FOs also.
>>1896136I hate this timeline, I hate our era
>>1896141its not impossible, its just that all the misanthropes and losers who couldn't get the job flock to reddit
>>1896177I mean if you have the 1500 hours what else do you really need to get a job as a regional FO?
>>1895979aww hes cute :)did you pet him?
>>1895489>We were thinking about a G55 or pic related (MC205).>picbrah, the C.205 is my favorite ww2 fighter. The most underrated aircraft of the war
Is it worth getting an a&p certification as something to fall back on in case everything goes to shit and I can’t get a job after I finish my cpl? How much would it cost and how much time does it take to get it? I’m also thinking it would look good on my resume when applying for pilot jobs to.
>>1896289The best pilots I've ever worked with all had A&Ps. What city/state are you in?
>>1896294South Carolina. There’s a technical college that offers an associates degree program nearby. Is that the fastest way to do it? And it would probably be free since I can get a student loan and then have it forgiven by Joe Biden.
>>1896298It's gonna be two years, full time. But it would be the correct way to go.Just make sure you avoid the school AIM.
>>1896300In that case I guess I’ll have to put it off until after I finish flight training. I thought maybe it was something I could do at the same time on nights and weekends or something.
>>1896289get a job working either airframe or powerplant. don't get something that does both, you twenty months of experience on one or the other.then do the other half via the community college route. that way you get the best of both worlds, the speed of getting your certificates in twenty months while earning money and entering the workforce with experience.
>>1896303You can get a job doing that with no certification or experience?
>>1896136i love it when cities destroy a massive amounts of revenue. at least ill never have to return to that piece of shit city now
>>1896307sure. there are apprentice jobs, it would helpful to have aviaiton experience though
>>1894989Pretty deep into the career (flying heavy jets for a large cargo carrier) and I am largely satisfied. I am junior at my current airline leaving room for improvement, but by and large I am well paid, live in a place that I actually enjoy when I'm off work, and have a decent work culture that helps with the monotony of time spent away. What I tell people who want to fly is to ask yourself are the pros worth the cons? The best parts of flying are usually incredible, while the worst parts of flying are also usually punishing. So if you find that the large pros outweigh the large cons, then it may be for you. But if one of the cons is too large (time away from home, unstable job market at times) then you will end up bitter about the whole thing. It's really up to you though.
>>1896328Are there even any cons for someone who has no family or friends and doesn’t care about being away from home all the time?
>>1896346In the short term? No but I caution you to realize that for the vast majority of young people that will change. You will end up with friends, end up liking a particular place, become attached to a hobby more prevalent in one geographic region or the other. So be pragmatic in your career decisions, or you will turn into some of the more bitter guys I meet who think they've sacrificed their whole life with nothing to show for it. The happiest guys in this career are lucky (industry timing), patient, and enjoy a balance between work and life that allows them to enjoy the best of the "pros" while suffering the least from the "cons."
>ATC desperately needs people >still takes years to get an invite to OKC>still failing anyone who looks at the FAA trainers wrong explain
>>1896346It is fun for two years and then it gets old. The truth is you travel an unbelievable amount but never actually go anywhere. You are just going from airport to airport, hotel to hotel, and seeing all these great places from the air. World starts to feel like its just moving by your window and you don't get to take part in it.Then you start missing things back home and wishing you could be back there. You're jealous of the people who travel for work who get to be settled and really experience a place. You feel like you're just a much better paid, much more highly trained and much more scrutinized version of a long haul truck driver.
>>1896432Welcome to communism. Reagan should’ve finished the job and privatized the entire FAA.
>>1896378>>1896328>>1896440but aren't there certain airlines that can alleviate that? i've heard pax airlines like allegiant get you home very often, and southwest ha good scheduling too
I'm working on my commercial, and was for the past few months strongly considering leaving my day job and making a career change in my mid 30's.But the more I read and the further I get into training, it just seems like most pilots get sick of flying, which is understandable.So, flying aside, is the aviation field worth it as a "job" on its own? Like say you just had all the flying passion sucked out of you, would you stay in the field because at its core the job is good?
>>1896491Why are you spending tens of thousands of dollars to get a commercial license if you’re not sure you want to be a pilot?
>>1896491I mean I still love flying even after "flying" with braindead students for almost 2 years. Some I don't really want to teach but as soon as I get off the ground I forget about that and just enjoy being in the air and teaching. I loved every minute of flight training since I was actually flying the plane. If you're having second thoughts during training they flying as a career may not be for you.
>>1896492Because its one of my life goals. Now answer my question.>>1896498I do love flying, but just wanted to know if the career itself is good. This case I'm talking about airlines in general. Obviously you can love something but if the job is like getting your balls stomped on its going to kill that love.
>>1896458There are but you make significantly less than your peers in similar equipment. Pros and cons right? Up to you. In the beginning being a road dog can absolutely be the best thing, it was for me. Sinking into it as hard as I did the first few years of professional flying worked out for me mostly through dumb luck paired with hard work. But as >>1896440said, it may or may not work for you forever. The only way you'll know what you need is by jumping in as long as you can make peace with the initial sacrifice and most of the outcomes.
For all this talk of pilot career progression and working for airlines and all that other fixed-wing jazz, I ask: what about the rotorcraft?What does the career of a helicopter pilot look like? Whether corporate or independent, what niches are there to explore?
>>1896521>Rehearse your crash every morning and night. Only when you constantly live as though already a corpse will you be able to find freedom in the helicopter, and fulfill your preflights without fault throughout your life.
>>1896524God damn you are gay
>>1896521When I was in training I had a rotary wing pilot come in and ask me about my flight school because he wanted to pivot to fixed wingSo basically that
>>1896519way i view it is this: if i have a life and a reason to want to be home like a normal person, i'd be fine with making some tens of thousands of dollars less at allegiant for example for the trade of being home very often
>>1896491I hate my job, i hate my company, i hate the lifestyle, i hate the pay, i have the time away from home, i hate the time away from my wife and kids. I like the pay potential, and i like being able to say i now do what I’ve wanted to do for my whole life. If not for the pay potential and the sunk cost/investment into flying, I’d leave it overnight. I am passionate about DCS multiplayer while drinking over discord. I am passionate about balsa wood scale model planes. I am passionate about being well educated with diverse knowledge in aviation. I do not enjoy sitting in a chair to operate a fancy semi-truck. I don’t not like it one bit, nor the baggage that comes with it. I fly professionally for money, and unfortunately i am very skilled at it. I will not voluntarily leave flying, because even at this job I hate, i will make good money to support my family and the hobbies I’d like to put money into. If I make my money now and lose my medical in 20 years, I will only feel bad about having lost my (theoretically) high income with no suitable replacement.This career is just a job, and the wisdom I’ve heard from lifer regional pilots, part truth and part cope, is that guys move to other airlines for 3 reasons: A desire for a particular Airline (my dad worked for UAL, or SWA has a BWI base), a desire for a particular fleet (Aww geez doode, Atlas flies the 747, I’m going there!) or a desire for way more money. After the shock/awe wears off, you’re dealing with the same stuff day in and out while staring out of a window in a metal tube. You won’t care what fleet the plane is, or the paint on the side. You care how often you get to fuck off back home and how much money you’ll have to spend. I personally am still tormented by the “My dad flew for XYZ operator on the ABC fleet” issue, and either you achieve or you move past that issue. I understand that this career does not fulfill me, think about your answer.
>>1896756>>1896519Attitude like Richie Aprile
>>1896767Fuck off. He answered my question from the heart, that's all I asked for.
>>1896767Couldn't disagree more. I gave an honest answer >>1896519 without projecting my views into anon's prospective look into a career in aviation. I am not the other guy who is by and large over the job. I like my job when I'm at work but it is not everything to me nor should it be. But I achieve a work/life balance that I'm content with. It is up to anon to figure out whether or not he can be content with that as well. Also worth mentioning there are a great number more flying jobs than just the airlines. Those "other" flying can and do fit nicely into the lifestyles and desires of other friends of mine. And like anon said, >>1896756answered honestly, even if it wasn't the prettiest picture ever painted that honesty is all he was asked to provide. At the end of the day when I ask myself what else I'd rather be doing I often come up short, which is more than most can say. I make a decent living, don't hate my schedule, and live where I want to live. What's to hate about that?
Is being a crop duster pilot fun? Seeing those guys fly super low and maneuvering aggressively seems like a great way to die. I’m sure they’re very familiar where the power lines and obstacles are but still.
A little note for future career pilots, we are quite similar in many ways to over the road truck drivers. What I’ll discuss specifically today is money/pay. A CDL costs money, and you either pay out of pocket for it, or sign with a company that pays for your CDL in exchange that you will work a shittier lower paying job for a set number of years. Not all that different from flying, some ab initio, and some X years of service for a loan payback.Like truckers who are only paid for the miles driven, we are only paid from engine start to shutdown (some exceptions apply). When a trucker is waiting on his load, offloading, on rest, etc he’s not getting paid. Same as us, time in the terminal, commutes, time in the cockpit preflighting, postflighting, on rest etc is unpaid. Yes there’s are some contractual guarantees that pilots have, that’s not the point. Consider a normal Atlas pilot on the road for 17 days. Btw, he has to commute in a day early and might not leave until a day after, so its effectively 19 days. But at 17 days with a 4.85 hour per day guarantee (82.45 total), does that really account for or come close to the 408 hours away from home? I don’t care that you’re on rest, you’re there in a hotel on company behalf for your job. You're not making money for being AT work, you’re only working if an engine is turning. Do either the trucker or pilot have to work when not getting paid? All the time. Our cool dudes out there will also say that the shift tomorrow is preventing my drinking tonight, another off duty responsibility you aren’t compensated for. In either career you are sinking potential weeks of your life at a time into a job that isn’t compensating you anywhere close to what you’re giving to your employer. You can laugh at this comparison, but it doesn’t make it false. Pilots are not fairly compensated. This month I’ll be away from home for about 380 hours and I’ll be paid 65 hours.
>>1896883Why would you work a job where you're gone for 17 days that's just your own faultThe place I'll be gunning for is 8 on 6 off, perfectly reasonableAnd yes, we only get paid by the Hobbs but it's better than dealing with students
I've got about 12 years on in my current job, law enforcement. it sucks, cant stand it anymore, but it pays the bills. I get a sweet pension in 10 years, it's roughly $7,000/mo for life. If I leave now, I get a $2,000/mo pension in 10 years. I am heavily contemplating giving it up and going into aviation. Almost done with my CFI. The only thing really stopping me is the away time, got little kids. I go back and forth everyday with this question.What do?
>>1896883The difference is prestige. If you tell people you're a truck driver, they'll think you're a low iq loser who failed at life, and they're right because most truckers are dumb rednecks who never graduated high school. You're basically no different from someone who works at walmart in most peoples eyes. But if you tell people you're a pilot, you're basically in the same class as doctors and lawyers. Airline pilot is one of the most respected jobs you can have and life is all about how much respect you earn. Money is secondary to that and is guaranteed to come with prestige anyway.
>>1896899>life is all about how much respect you earnWhat a shit take
so what the fuck do i do then. i want to have a life, but airline pilot is the only career i have any idea of how to do and the only one i have any sort of interest in. some have said airlines like that allegiant one are the best for having both, but even still, is that even possible? and the fucking grind to get into the career is soul sucking... wtf do i do
>>1897000A&P school an option? Good salary and steady non traveling schedule and get to be around planes. Still not flying, and you have to clean the shitter when its full.Move to Hawaii or Alaska and do short hop flights. Move to Florida/Caribbean and island hop. Probably shitty pay.Put in for Allegiant or a very junior base in a regional/LLC like Spirit and pray to the aviation gods that you get day trips. I have heard bad things about doing Allegiant in Florida though, since so many bases are close together they will drive you to where they need you when you report for work.
>>1897000Get enough seniority and bid reserve. You'll hardly work and get to jerk off all day at home on call while still making that monthly hour minimum.
>>1897074how many years to get to that point?
>>1897083nta but i'm pretty sure it depends on the base and the airline.literally best to just pick and airline based on the nature of the flying. anything else is either even more grinding or luck. hawaiian and allegiant are really the only two i know of that will get you home normally. not sure about the others
Whoever the ass clown is that made a new thread, lurk for two years before posting again. You can’t make a new general before page 10 or you risk nuking /gag/.
>>1897316yeah he didn't even bother to come up with a "___ edition" tagline like we've had for a few months now
I'm sorry bros
>>1897316>You can’t make a new general before page 10 or you risk nuking /gag/.Mods are that assmad?
>>1897436This is how generals have always worked
