In this thread we discuss the current and past trends of urban planning from across the globe.Urban planning is /n/ related.Previous:>>1854453
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>>1883299In their own segregated neighborhood where they can live happy and fulfilling lives
>>1883293I'm about a fifth of the way through the Power Broker. When does Moses start to really do bad shit, because right now, he's just building parks and some roads. I was expecting more evil shit.
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>>1883308i don't believe in zoning code, in fact i believe that building permits should be abolished and people should be able to construct whatever they wish.
>>1883290That's not canberra.
>>1883309here you go senpai
>>1883328gimson's proposal for canberra
>>1883290hehe
>>1883332nothing wrong with this, in fact i believe its the ideal development of a city, with a organic layout and connected community. It not only provided needed and efficient housing, but also affordable. The problem with kowloon wall city wasn't the city itself but HK as a whole, if we experiment kowloon at a global scale it would do wonders for everyone.
>>1883332SOVL
Milton Keynes
Authoritative definition of a walkable neighborhood: https://files.catbox.moe/ol05an.pdf
how do i become a modern age robert moses.
>>1884138robert moses but in reversebuldoze single family suburbs for railways and 5 storey mixed-use apartment buildings
>>1884192so haussmann?
>>1883496>t. zoomer that doesn't go outside
>>1883496>no reticulation or sanitation>ideal
>>1884192> 5 storey mixed-use apartment buildingsThe funniest thing is, they only started building those in Amereica after the max height for wood frame resdiential was raised from 3 stories to 5 stories. The five-over-one Texas donut buildings that NUMTOTs cream their jeans over are literally plywood boxes. No concrete between each floor. You can hear your upstairs neighbor fart.
>>1884298I by no means think these are the best type of development, and they should be made of better materials. my ideal living situation in a city is something like this but we obviously need different types of housing levels to fit everyone, and america's strict zoning usually leads to this homogeneity
>>1884389you need to rewrite the entire zoning law to get those built nowadays
>>1885052More likely you wouldn't get them built at all, because they're built to 100 years ago expectations. What they'll typically build in an area zoned like that is something like picrel. If it's condos (which it often is), the developer will likely put in poured concrete floors and big (compared to prewar) double or triple glazed windows. Sponsors love that shit compared to a conversion, because you don't have to worry about plumbing disasters or boiler failures or god knows what else that will cost a fortune when you find out the old shit was grandfathered in. It upsets the people who don't live in cities because they want a nice photogenic museum neighborhood, but those people can get fucked. Also it's better quality of life for the people who live inside.
>>1885055i only care about the facade
>>1883496>incredibly dirty shithole>incredibly cramped, probably noisy as hell>absolute miracle that no one died in the inevitable building collapse or fire before they had it 'dozed
>>1883306The degree to which Moses is maligned as evil is probably unfair. The guy thought he was building the future, and was trying to do so in a way that also spoke to the soul in some way rather than just doing the crudest, path of least resistance method. Obviously a lot of his stuff ended up fucking shit up, but at the time there was significantly less indication pax automobilia was infeasible, they didn't actually know a lot about traffic flow and kind of fucked up a lot of things, sometimes in big ways, and they were really captivated with viaducts and fly overs. Looking at his works, proposals, and advocacy, he strikes me as rather autistic, seemed to just like designing his sweeping, concrete behemoth structures, and had a way of getting people hyped.
>>1884192>robert moses but in reverseYou'd tear down useful infrastructure for slums? Sure, I guess.
>>1885233they were only slums because of the people there, the housing was good, the really shitty housing like the stuff made of low quality wood was replaced or torn down much earlier.
>>1885233It is natural that infrastructure which is expensive to maintain and build gets torn down over infrastructure which is not. Especially since single family housing offers little utility for society outside of stroking the egos of suburbanites.
>>1885233yes i do, where do i start
Find a flaw. It is perfect.
>>1885805the only purpose of this is to sell land
Any reason why suburbs couldn't work with public transit? I'm not talking cul-de-sac's and such, just single-family and duplex housing with a garage and a yard. I think residential-exclusive zoning, parking minimums, and maybe even vehicle size are more detrimental to the existence of public transit than the existence of cars.
>>1885805Street grids break the immersion of being in a city. When I look down the road, I want to see a building at the end, not watch the city peter out into suburbs.
>>1885832Last mile problem. Most places don't have the mild, temperate climate of Western Europe and the vast majority of people will always choose driving over walking a mile in 103 degree heat or -5 degree cold
>>1883496>but also wear your mask and take the vax
>>1885835And that’s why there are numerous diagonal streets. You can see much of the skyline from them whenever you’re in the neighborhoods
>>1885836totally wrong, much of the US is pretty temperate during a lot of year, also suburbs with proper density will have a short walk to the station, you can't fit this into the modern american sprawl you are right. and americans need to learn to walk anyway, which can totally be done in those temperature ranges as long as it's not multiple miles on asphalt with no trees/infrastructure (which should be fixed)
>>1883518kill it with fire
>>1883518>densely populated island>waste half of the land for parking lotswhat was the rational here?
>>1883332This, but without the sarcasm
>>1886371I unironically agree, just a little bit cleaner, I'd be perfectly happy living in taipei.>hurr u want to live in concrete jungle with a tiny apartment and stinky foreign food everywhere and no car?yes!
>>1883290Oh look a design actually befitting a bloody capital
>>1886806Though to be fair nothing too wrong with Burley Griffin's, just fucking hate how desolate Canberra feels in actuality
I feel that how a city looks and functions is more of a economic problem than a planning one
>>1887623El oh el.https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4266459>Through vignettes describing a 10% shock to regional housing supply, we find that only about 30–40% of respondents believe that additional supply would reduce prices and rents. Using a conjoint design, we find that this “Supply Skepticism” is robust to question wording, stipulated counterfactual assumptions, and the cause of the supply shock. It also appears to be specific to housing: respondents generally gave correct answers to questions about supply shocks in other markets.The people don't believe in economics. Therefore, the politicians don't believe in economics. Therefore, the planners don't believe in economics.
I kind of like how Waco, Texas's main highway (besides I-35) starts in the center of town and just starts looping around until it becomes a real freeway. Instead of fixed loops, a spiral highway that just goes around and around sounds more interesting.
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>>1887634sound like they just subscribe to a different school of economics
>>1887697AHHHH OH NO LOTS OF SPACE PEACE AND QUITEAHHHH OH NO CLEAN AIR AHHHHH IS THAT A GARAGE WHERE YOU COULD PARK YOUR OWN CAR THAT LETS YOU DRIVE ANYWHERE YOU WANTAHHHHWHERES THE PISSS STAINED CONCRETE, GARBAGE AND BUMS YELLING AT THREE AM????
>>1887873This looks like it has significantly lower income than any slum in California or the Northeast Corridor.
>>1887906I love how the urbanoids diss is "poor people could live here" at a picture of an inoffensive house with trees all around Living in a city really rots the brain eh?
>>1883496>You will live in the pod> >:(>You will live in the pod, china> :O
>>1885927They're not nearly frequent enough
>>1887906That exact style of house is extremely common in CA you retard
>>1885971>americans need toForeigner;Opinion discarded
>>1887873only thing to do in that house in the suburbs would be drinking or smoking, miserable existance
