In this thread we discuss the current and past trends of urban planning from across the globe.Urban planning is /n/ related.Previous:>>1806880
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Needs more parking space and freeways.
>>1854453I've forgotten how much I appreciate cars as a biker, though I think that there's an issue with how we design things for them. Best thing to do is to impose size limits on vehicles within certain cities and give a tax credit for anyone who doesn't own anything of an unreasonable size. Easier for parking, practical for EV, and could get away with a different, easier licensing class. Concerns about space could be alleviated by just having a folding trailer in the back.Seriously, why do cars continue to be so large?
>>1854545cars have been getting bigger for 30 years because of continually more safety regulations. All those crumple zones and tech needs more space. Cars are starting to get unattainably expensive for most people. I have seen a push for small and cheap 3 wheeled cars. I would probably own one if I lived in a big city.
This is the transportation board, local politics threads belong on /pol/. Thanks.
>>1854563>cars have been getting bigger for 30 years because of continually more safety regulationsAlso because retarded Americans wanna drive their 5t trucks to and from the suburbs to their job in the city center
>>1854642That's a retarded rent free opinion from someone that gets their opinions from someone else. Truly gigantic personal vehicles that obviously aren't used for an actual utility are very rare.
>>1854646Ok the previous anon was exaggerating but as a suburbanite myself you have no idea how many people here own huge pickups or vans and don’t even use it for the intended purpose. The reason for large vehicles is that they can carry a large payload with less detriment to the vehicles performance, be it in passengers or material/items. However I’d say over half the «large personal vehicles» in the Chicagoland area have never had more than 2 people in them at once.
>>1854655I live in Florida and I don't really see a ton of mega trucks here. Mostly small crossovers and regular cars
>>1854597Anon, transportation is an inherently political topic. Decisions on how companies build trains, planes, busses, and cars almost always have some amount of government oversight or even direct involvement. Hell, one could argue that the sheer scale and wealth of the automotive industry makes it it’s very own player on the international stage. If people talk about trains, we’re bound to inevitably begin discussing how the government should manage them, from the Georgists who claim that transportation should be free to give everyone the freedom of movement, or the free market libertarians who claim trains should always be a private venture, or the leftists who claim trains should be operated by the government at a deficit to maximize utility to the public. Every time we have a plane thread, there’s always people discussing whether airplanes should be designed by people with ideas or by a government committee. Every bus thread tends to lament the lack of frequency of certain routes. Also pol is kinda retarded by most metrics
>>1854658That’s fair, I suppose it differs in different states, counties, etcWhat are the suburbs like in Florida? There are pretty huge cities there but also a ton of urban sprawl for rich retirees as far as I’m concerned
>>1854597>drawing lines on a empty piece of paper is /pol/
>>1854660There's basically 2 types of suburbs. 1. Rich NIMBY gated community mega suburbs that gent memed about on this board with virtually no stores within a 5-10 mile radius but sill somehow has the cleanest widest sidewalks anywhere. 2. Standard middle class suburb that can maybe be sorta walkable if your house is in a block with a supermarket on it. Otherwise it's basically stroadland with lots of plazas and parking lots. There's also a good amount of parks here which are nice
I read Ann Arbor is getting rid of their parking minimums. It’s encouraging not just major cities ending parking mins but also smaller historical towns.
>>1854659Chugga chugga choo choo is not a political topic, fuck off ghoul.If you're going to say that any relation to politics is political, then you can say that about literally anything in life due to the pervasive nature of politics.>grassPolitical. The government maintains cut grass in parks, therefore it is political.>milkPolitical. Government taxes milk, therefore it is political.>defecationPolitical. Environmental regulations dictate how sewage is handled.I'd like to see the amount of mental gymnastics it'd take for you to claim that this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOSC_1TxqWQ is political.
>>1854756>grassNot political >milk Somewhat political in the states, for some reason politicians love giving money to the dairy industry. Hell, the government even has the biggest reserve of cheese in the world. >defecation Ew >that video The video isn’t political since it’s just a fan of trains showing off a cool one he saw. The point I was getting to was if we have a board made to talk about «transportation» we are bound to start talking about politics revolving around the issues that come with said transportation. The argument that «urban design is political so this thread belongs on pol» is dumb because by that very logic this whole damn board has no reason to exist. Therefore urban design general is probably more suited to being here rather than on pol since A: the thread is less likely to be derailed by autists sperging over a random unrelated subject B: Who cares if things get political! So long as we keep the thread focused on everything transport, we’re good and vibin B)
Cars are heavily subsidized in America.
>>1854759>The argument that «urban design is political so this thread belongs on pol» is dumb because by that very logic this whole damn board has no reason to existThat's only assuming that transportation is the same thing as urban planning, and that urban planning is the same thing as transportation.Urban planning incorporates transportation, but transportation as a topic is independent of urban planning.>if we have a board made to talk about «transportation» we are bound to start talking about politics revolving around the issues that come with said transportationI presume that "we" is exclusive, considering most of the threads on this board are not political.While I agree that urban planning is more /n/ than /pol/, insisting that a hobby is political just because there exists a branch of politics that involve the hobby is plain and obvious subversion, that is the reason why you should go back to wherever politics forum you came from.
>>1854759Totally agree and it’s why I make endless unpopular threads that I have to bump myself, sometimes for hours, on /ck/ about corn subsidies and fair trade
>>1854690need more mixed use
Check out my citi guys.
>>1854767He's a bad faith troll that needs to be ignored and/or banned. He knows damn well it's would be damn near impossible to have a coherent urban planning discussion on /pol/.
>>1855171>Cape Coral hyper suburbscouldn't be me
>>1855171i wonder how good the city is going to function if i copy it to simcity4
>>1854646I live in the suburbs and there are massive pickup trucks everywhere. What's rare is seeing them actually carrying anything. Usually they're just being used as commuter vehicles because they can't afford a second car. Or their second car is used by their wife.
>>1854453Suburban commuters are destroying cities. They shell urban areas with cars, and the rubble of destroyed homes and businesses takes the form of parking lots. The urban residents are left with nowhere to live and become homeless. Forced to flee their homeland and live as refugees. Or else defect to the other side.
>>1855232>but I just HAVE to drive my grotesque BMW X7 into the city center every day to my pointless team manager job, how else will people know how IMPORTANT and BUSY I am?
Same neighborhood, XX v XXI century
Same district, rather
>>1855171Innacurate amount of water in this photo
>>1855206Probably not that hot since the largest tiles are only 4x4km
>>1855450the land of no local planning, polandI want to puch yanks in the face when they so having no planning laws whatsoever would be better
>>1855240Yes, people like driving car, especially big comfortable ones.What point are you trying to make?
>>1855731The cagercide is coming. Pedestrianised streets spreading across the cities like an unquenchable fire.
>>1855798Thankfully only in shitty european cities.
>>1855844Pedestrianization is becoming increasingly popular in American cities.Even my shitty Kansas City outskirts suburb has adopted some transportation plans to partially pedestrianize our downtown area. Adding protected bicycle paths and building mid-rise apartments in parking lots.
ASTM 2843 defines "walkable" as within 0.5 mile (0.8 km).ASTM 2844 defines "access to mass transit" as 0.5 mile (0.8 km) for "rapid transit" (e. g., buses with dedicated lanes, or trains) or 0.25 mile (0.4 km) for other mass transit (e. g., buses without dedicated lanes).Do you agree with these definitions?
>>1855833Don't post shitty low-res versions of good images.>>1844197
>>1855901you sound like a schizo
>>1855897yes but what about regional and commuter trains
>>1856757Under ASTM 2844, "rapid transit" is any mass transit that has a dedicated right of way AND has stations that are spaced more than 1/3 mile (0.5 km) apart. That includes regional and commuter trains.
>>1856770up to 3 km is enough for a commuter town because you can bike to the station
>>1856775ASTM 2843 and 2844 are focused on walking, not on bicycling. Maybe there's a European standard that focuses on bicycling.
>>1854453The most optimal neighborhood design.
>>1855897>>1856784Does anybody want to weigh in on these questions? I'm kind of interested in the answers.
>>1857344https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_performance#Energy_efficiency>bicycling uses one-third as much energy as walkingJust multiply all the distances by a factor of three.
>>1855896>Kansas city outskirts suburbI’m from JoCo myself, why are there so many KC area people on this board? Is there something in the water that gives us all transportation-related autism?
>>1855897Yes, I guess walkable has to also include the 90 year old almost dead grandma. For healthy young people I'd say 2km though.
>>1855897I've exfiltrated a copy of ASTM 2843, if anybody cares.https://files.catbox.moe/ol05an.pdfIs your domicile walkable? How about bikeable?
>looking at random places on google map>8 lane strode down the middle of guam
>>1858055You can't just say that without posting an image.Also, it's only six lanes (plus a left-turn lane), not eight lanes.
>>1855232My mid sized Burgerland city is the opposite. We have a fuck load of urban residential but most of the jobs are out in the suburban sprawl. Needless to say the public transportation is useless. I'm really glad I like cars.
"Stroads", huh?I guess these things have a name.
>>1858058>7 if include the turning laneclose enoughthe question is why a small rather densily populated island need to be zoned and built like a typical suburb?
>>1855833>fren time>>1855901>Don't post shitty low-res versions of good imagesOne nigga missed the memo.
>>1858086Because you forgot why people like lower density in the first place. Contrary to the echo chamber, people, especially the upper class, have sought lower density housing since the domestication of the horse.
>>1858139NiggaNext thing you'll tell us that "we generally wear pants as a consequence of horse domestication" ... "Thinking bout those Mongols"
>>1858140What I mean is, since the Roman days the rich have had country villas, since the invention of the streetcar, people have lived outside the crowded cities...and sure, you could argue about how there were outside forces to make the move outside of American cities into suburbs was less than organic, but there is a certain human drive to have SOME privacy and separation.
How would you maintain and keep clean a small canal system in a windy dusty hot dry area?
>>1854563Safety's a factor in the sense that big cars crush small cars in collisions and so big cars are bought for tiny fragile women compensating for their lack of penis
>>1858146The 'rich' had country villas because they were landowners collecting taxes in the form of produce and transportation technology sucked so bad roads were only useful for military.They also always had city residences so they could socialize with fellow rich landowner nobility merchants and craftsmen.
>>1858139>people, especially the upper class, have sought lower density housing since the domestication of the horseWhy are you making up bullshit ? Google what an "hôtel particulier" is.
>>1854453the most best urban planning is the "spanish grid" (also their former colonies)it's ugly but efficient
>>1855269>>1855270>XX v XXI centuryWhich one is which?
Does your city/country have sunlight access laws? In Poland it's minimum 3 hours during equinox. 1.5 h in downtown zones and none at all in single room apartments
>blocks ur path
What is the best urban design for affordable and sustainable multi-generational housing?I'm thinking tiny plots like in Japan are better
>>1855232it was a natural reaction to the great migration destroying urban cores, the same thing is slowly happening in European capitals that are being colonized.
>zoning is inherently racistI hate americans
First in for mid rise mixed use neoclassical.
>>1864478elaborate please where are those found
>>1864497This is low density rural
>want to build my own house someday>will never be able to build the house I actually want to build unless I move to an area where zoning, code, and etc isn't enforcedI don't want to build a stick frame house with all that toxic barriers, roofing, insulation, etc
>>1864512can work in urban too
Finally looked into unite dhabitationwhat a mess.pros>nice looking facade>communal roof>multifunctional>multi story apartmentscons>25 m deep apartments>apartments like the one marked yellow on pic suck ass>corridor with no natural light>tiny width and height of each apartment>the building is freakishly massive even for a commieblockit solves the problems that itself created
>>1866770See >>1855897 and >>1857546.
I want to start a youtube channel to discuss Urban Planning in my city. Do you have any recs/ressources about that?
>>1866948Why?You trying to talk shit?
>>1855229Those are just normal modern trucks, the reason they are that size is again, like some other anon says. Safety regulations.And you have no choice in the matter, not about dick size or rednecks, if you want to buy a newish truck(because you need one) its going to be that size.
>>1860719what is the spanish grid? I've never heard of itt. spaniard
>>1867004open google map and zoom into any city in latin america.
>>1866912>>1854455you can try these.
>>1867009oh thanks, I had missed these
>>1867011no problem, feel free to contribute if you have any suggestions of books or websites.
>>1867081we call that hipodamic grid
grid plan is most likely the only case where yes, it's proven more efficient, but it's too soulless for me to ever support it
>>1867088What about imperfect grids
What do you think?https://youtube.com/watch?v=Zvq9pybXg-4Sunlight access to the apartments aside, it actually looks nice.Everything at the ground floor is dedicated to walkable commercial use
>>1867878grim and depressinghouses should have been max 5/6 storyno plants or trees just giant concentrate plaza
>>1867878>it actually look pretty niceye so nice the chinese themselves are revamping their entire urban planning code.
>>1867895Traditional chinese urban planning post Deng's reform is high-density single-use zoning that's usually 500mx500m gated community blocks. With roads typically being 6-8 lanes wide. New zoning regulations calls for denser road networks with smaller streets, with mid-rise mixed used buildings and daily amenities that can be reached within 15 min of walking.
I am sometimes overcome with despair at how horrible American cities and streets have been designed. It seems like an impossible problem to fix at this point.
modern architects are one of the major hinderance to beautiful citiesChange my mind
>>1868022What depresses me is that the American model is being exported to a lot of rapidly developing countries in the third world. The population loves new car-oriented developments thanks to American cultural influence. It's fucking up housing there too since they want to have the white picket fence and sprawling lawns just like what they see in Hollywood movies.
>>1868155>>1868156>>1868157>>1868158>>1868159and they are all done by world-renowned architects that every architecture student looks up to!
why don't they just turn it into some park?seems retarded
i fixed new york
>>1855731I key cars for funsies
>>1868102cool it with the antisemitic remarks
>>1868195i only hate it because im not benefiting from it.
Every street should look like this.
>>1868337Looks like an absolute hell but urbanites do enjoy their hellish pod life lol.
i would really like the only cars in the future to be racing cars and street cars made solely for a tiny fraction of the population, car enthusiastsshame that will never happen because everything is declining in the spenglerian sense, even new things that should be good
>>1868337>every street should have a tramwayUnless your city blocks are really wide this would be a nightmare
>>1868411good luck living in village without car when
For residential bildings, simple stairway-access is the bestBut I do feel that gallery-access can be better if you want to introduce multifunctionality in the gorm of shops or offices on highter floors.What do you think?
>>1869045When I worked delivery I was familiar with all of those floorplans. Point block was the worst. They were low-rise apartments built in the 2000s in an area that many would consider ""car-centric"" but they were as described here. The corridors were grim and poorly ventilated.
>>1869088why were they the worstand do americans really build stairwells with no sunlight access
>>1869045single-loaded coridor best, especially when they double as terraceseuropean point access stairways are usually terrible as >>1869088 describes
>>1869162why are they the worstwith them you can have two private balconies at each end of the apartment
>>1869045double loaded makes your apartment feels like a hotel, nosingle loaded is better but the hall is just an awkward space most of the time, you can't do much with it especially when most buildings keep it narrow too. For pointblock i guess you share the common area with less people, but its still a awkward space, even smaller and without any natural light.
>>1855232There is nothing wrong with destruction of cities. It's not medieval era anymore when you must live in the crowded settlement surrounded by walls. Get with the times.
>>1869180>without any natural light.Stairwells are required have windows in most of EuropeAnd if they don't (rarely), the stairwell is designed to allow in light from the roof. But that only happens in middle height buildings
Why has walkability in America become a "luxury" only rich people can afford?
>>1868388Point to me where the pod is in the photo, where did it touch you?
>>1869255Enjoy your pod transportation, try not to step into human feces or get stabbed.
>>1869266why are you opposed to law enforcement?
>>1869270Why are you constructing straw mans?
>>1869271Here is a solution, enforce the laws in cities
>>1869272But only the ones that affect people you don't like, right? Wouldn't want speed cameras or red light cameras or anything like that, that's SOCIALISM
>>1869273who the fuck is worried about speed and red light cameras right now?
>>1869272Solution for your straw man?
>>1869274people who dont take public transit
>>1869274IRL people in cities (as opposed to the eye-talians whose entire extended families moved out to North Bellmore in the 1980s but still identify as New Yorkers for purposes of internet arguments) care about traffic cams
>>1869275instead of taking cheap shots taking pleasure in the suffering of innocent people in cities, why dont you use your energy to advocate for enforcement of laws, you do support the police dont you? you DONT want a lawless city correct?>>1869273 so in your mind, its okay for lawlessness, homeless violence, and going to the bathroom in public transit, because its fighting back against racism and the rich elites who clearly dont take public transit, but instead drive in cars or work from home, do I have that correct?
>>1869279If you are having a stroke, dial 9-1-1
>>1869280>t. dirtbag leftist scum on break time from thugging it up
>>1869279>builds another straw man>das raisisNigger.
>>1869282you have no argument
>>1869157Not a lot of room for having sunlight access while still having a sheltered area, and there were four apartments on each level, so no space for a window (or elevator). The ground floor floorplan was obviously different to allow an entrance to the building. The stairwell being in the middle of the building is extremely rare for any new building, almost every building in the country has at least one stairwell (if not the main stairwell) against the outer-most wall.Like the image shows, this is extremely rare for American buildings (probably due to fire code).
>>1869281The knockout game is hard work gweilo. Taking a break to inject an eight ball of marihuana and recharge my super predator reflexes is not the same thing as slacking off.
>>1869283A straw man is not an argument.
>>1868350Only if you're a bird.At street level it could be pleasant, but you can't really tell just by looking at the layout.
>>1869303>could be pleasant"Could be" being the imperative word there. Dropped the needle on a random area. Looks pretty run-down, but I also tried a few other areas with more pedestrian traffic and more upmarket shops and they didn't look a whole lot better.
>>1868022You're being fed bullshit that glorifies certain neighborhoods in cities.
>>1868022>It seems like an impossible problem to fix at this point.correct
>>1869313Looks okay, not terrible, especially if we grade on a curve for Argentina's low GDP per capita and various social issues.My own hometown has considerably worse neighborhoods (and better ones, of course), but you can't really tell which from just looking at the street grid.
>>1854563>cars have been getting bigger for 30 yearsSpoken by someone who hasn’t seen the landyachts of the 50’s-80’sCars are getting smaller and smaller. What was a “compact” back in the day would be pretty close to a modern full-size, and the last maker of modern full-sized sedans in the US is getting ready to pull the plug on them by 2024.
>>1869423One of the dumbest posts on this website in so many ways. And with such brevity! Practically performance art.
I live in one of the worst cities on earth, Metro Manila.Don't get colonized by the Americans, especially if you're an archipelago with not much space, or else you'll have the same car centric infrastructure brainworms despite most people not being able to afford cars here and the public transport system being an absolute joke
>>1869429>rail was king in America until after WWII when (((special interests))) in the 1950s and 1960s created suburbanization and superhighways>Despite being granted independence in 1946 after a long transition period and briefly operated by Japan, there are cars and muh car-centric infrastructure because of AmericaGet your story straight
>>1869424If you think cars are getting bigger you’re actually retarded.
what's the building setback in Mass.? i saw some homes that's pretty close to the curb, or is it because they are older, i was looking at lynn and manchester by the sea.
I've moved to a nice small town a few years ago (pic related)I grew up in a shithole car dependent mess of a village, and had to rely on a crap bus service to get anywhereComparing similarly sized towns (where i grew up and where I live now)Transport in the new place is amazing, trains every 15 mins to 2 major cities and 5 towns, most of them are worth visiting and I work in one of the connected towns. Loads of buses in all directions. Old place had one bus line, and when it was late it would bypass the village to make up time. Didnt match up to the train to the big city, so would have to wait for 20mins if I wanted to get to uni.New place has a cycle path going to both the east and the west coast of the country, going through both big cities and loads of small towns. Old place had fuck all - hilly roads that were 60mph speed limit, cycling out of there was a deathwish idea.How can one place get so much infra, and another get fuck all in the same country?Doesnt help that the new place is an ancient royal burgh, and the old place is a mining town where the mine closed over 50 years ago
>>1869429you shitskins colonized south san francisco in return. anytime I go through SFO I see an army of little flips running around the place.
>>1867889At least they have a big forest in walking distance.
>>1869495>ze thinks setback requirements are uniform across an entire state
>>1869510I feel like alot of it has to do with scale, like if the pic related town get copy and pasted 10x it would also suffer similar problems as american suburbs, then again europeans actually invest in public transportation while us just stuck in a death loop of build far, buy car, congestion, widen road. Like if residential and commercial areas are more evenly distributed within american suburbs.Scale and proportion is prob also a problem with modern architecture, with buildings that are simply too large, and doesn't even fit within the surrounding elements/ enviorment. One of the reasons why modern attempts on more classical architecture looks funny is prob also caused by the scale of the buildings, the streets, etc. Especially when you consider within greek architecture there's a pretty set ratio relating to each of the elements, like how large the column would be in relationship to the base. I don't know if they are taught in architecture school anymore.
>>1869563enlighten meall the modern cookie cutter suburbs look the same.
>>1869568>run google search for "massachusetts zoning code">literally the first result is pic related
>>1855897Public Works engineer here, can confirm we use this as a general rule of thumb when considering the viability of a multi-modal improvement. Working on a grant currently that has this standard as the cornerstone to whether or not we get like ~12 mil federal funbucks
>>1858085looks like a rural arterial to me. Look at the surrounding land use. Would not be surprised if this was a county or state road cmon
>>1858086turn lanes are auxiliary lanes. You only count the thru lanes when classifying a road
>>1858425Not to mention status symbol, or at least portraying the idea of wealth by going into debt with an 8 yr sinkhole of a loan. "I PAID MORE MONEY SO I GET TO LIVE WHEN I RAM INTO YOU"
>>1869638Christ are the loans up to 8 years now
>>1869640survey says yesI almost took it as hyperbole joke when RCR first mentioned it
Nothing wrong with this.
>>1869645>96 month car loan
>>1869868is this some advanced form of 5 over 1s?
>>1869314while people cherrypick a lot to make fun of america, this is also extreme cherrypicking and doesn't really hita) that is clearly a freeway in netherlands, purely for the purpose of moving cars, it's not a stroad/urban arterial that combines unprotected turn lanes, businesses and a high speed limit with dangerous pedestrian architectureb) obviously places like houston and dallas have some nice walkable areas that mix modes well but it's by far not the majority and you can find way more per km of city in netherlands, and you go to a smaller, like 500k american city in texas and there MIGHT be one road that is safe for pedestrians and has mixed use developments in it.
>>1857325Commieblocks are not bad, they're just taller and denser 5 over 1s. The random grass islands bisected by all that car centric design are a waste of space. For texture and ambiance your vegetation can be more distributed and varied, but credit where credit is due there is a pleasing amount of trees. Points detracted for more surface level parking lots than ideal, there's quite a large one. If servicing a rail station or other large major service okay but I honestly don't see what would merit these size lots in a plan that wasn't car dependent.
>>1870856the point is to provide lots of sunlight and ventilation to every apartment
>>1869429Nah what >>1869480 said.Same shit happened to Eastern Europe and Yugoslavia.Yes, public transport is much better but it feels like it's only purpose is to pragmatically relieve car traffic, not to make it a nice place to live.There is the usual ignorance of space.If you're a pedestrian you're going to walk single file in denser areas.If you're a cyclist you're going to deal with 0.7m bike "paths" (illegal, paint on the sidewalk, made to steal some EU green funds) that are mostly covered by bumpers from parked cars and pedestrians trying to overtake and pass each other. It serves no purpose other than to 'legally' delegate cyclists off the road.Picrel, Zagreb, Croatia.The exact location is practically the center of the city proper. We have two of these roads cutting trough the densest part of downtown and many more just outside of it. God forbid we have more than four pedestrianized streets in the entire city.There is something about Countries that historically had strongman complexes and material insecurities that does this. They dig themselves into this hole mid-century and breed whole generations that are going to defend it to death. This is a corrupted imitation of western civilization, upheld by weak men who mistake social isolation and physical laziness with success.
>>1870856commieblocks are built much better than 5 over 1s, most of the parking lots came later since they weren't designed with personal vehicles in mind, the large boulevards are rather just a soviet preference, most of them have good bus/tram connections.
>>1871102bazirano. I feel for you anon, visiting Zagreb I was horrified by how car-centric it was. not that the rest of the balkans is much better.
>>1871102Looks nice, you're just a punk bitch desu
>>1871102>There is something about Countries that historically had strongman complexes and material insecurities that does this. They dig themselves into this hole mid-century and breed whole generations that are going to defend it to death. This is a corrupted imitation of western civilization, upheld by weak men who mistake social isolation and physical laziness with success.koji kurac ti brijes debilu
>>1871136Snosi se, kipi i čelavi. Znaš da je istina.
>>1871135It isn't so nice when for a few hours a day it's a gridlock of drivers that somehow still manage to collectively drive 50 kmh, laying on their horn, coked out of their mind on cortisol and pure survival instinct which makes anything smaller than their car invisible to them.
>>1870855No shit it's cherrypicking, that's the point. The difference is that the picture is supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, while similar pictures (showing the most pedestrian-oriented parts of Europe while showing the most unattractive sprawling parts of America) are meant to be taken at face value.
>>1871128Hvala anon.>I was horrified by how car-centric it wasCompared to what country/city? If I may ask.>>1871208>the most pedestrian-oriented parts of Europe while showing the most unattractive sprawling parts of AmericaDoing random drops on google earth is fun and quickly proves the rule.
>>1871095what's up with dictators and retarded mega projects
Nashville and Anchorage both got rid of parking minimums recently. Seems to be a quickly spreading trend.
>>1871470Note: Nashville didn't just get rid of the parking MINIMUM. Rather, it replaced the minimum with a parking MAXIMUM.https://reason.com/2022/11/22/cities-switch-from-requiring-too-many-parking-spaces-to-banning-too-many-parking-spaces/
>>1871471Yep, even better.
we need to copy the communists
>>1871658Communism doesn't work.
>>1871658this is just car dependancy with density, so kind of shit in both ways, very little mixed use, the only thing that is well planned is having services like schools for each area.
>>1871658Look less depressing than Korea suburban and Commie block.
I unironically would love to live in a town like pic related.where in the USA do I go to?>whats the brit-sh equivalent?
>>1871914that's not a town, that's a highway stop for suburbanites
>>1871915It WAS a town probably, that's the sad part.
im unironically autistic(to the point i collect neetbux from the goverment),so I want to "master" the city I live in and be able to know,use,and combine all bus trayectories+subway trayectories.>is there any rule of thumb for undergoing this one-by-one taking of buses and subways? how do i get creative combining them?dont worry about the ticket fare,neetbux allows me to travel for free 24\7
>>1871915>highway stop for suburbanitesAnd truckers. Lots of truckers. Where do you think your stuff in your apartment comes from?
>>1871953I live in a house and most of my stuff comes from other people, for free. People love throwing stuff away.but yeah I know what you mean
>>1871953would a nation-wide trucker mass strike paralyze the economy?what if Deep Trucking is the real engine (pardon the pun)behind global geo-politics,along with Big Marine Merchants?
>>1871914Pick any Interstate exit that's a ~30-45 minute drive from a major city center (ideally in the Southeast) and find a nearby subdivision.
>>1871837korean architecture is fucking shit but the absolute insane density and variety of food and drink and leisure is unrivaled, I think japan is ahead of them culturally but Seoul is an awesome city, growing up there though is a different story.
>>1871984>would a nation-wide trucker mass strike paralyze the economyIn theory yes, but truckers are too loosely organized to strike. With rails, there's just about four or five major lines that control most of the country.>what if Deep Trucking is the real engine (pardon the pun)behind global geo-politics,along with Big Marine Merchants?Pretty unlikely considering the fallout from the Honkening, with the asset freezes just from people donating, etc.
>>1872114>korean architecture is fucking shit do they have the earthquake excuse like japan?
>>1872204there's no such thing as modern korean architecture, all they been building is the same high density 30 story apartments you can find all over east asia. and the rest are the same modernist jargon.
>>1871944also,how do I "read the room" in public transport? like, avoiding squish squash during rush hour train, avoiding fights in the stations,etc
I like dense urban living in theory but when I actually lived like that I was so paranoid that people could look within my room. I had my blind closed all the time since my flat was theoretically exposed to over 80 apartments
Is this the lefty YIMBYcuck general?
>>1872319most people here prob hate current trend of architecture and urban planning. so make your own judgement.
The term people are looking for is 3rd places
>>1872319Leftoids tend to hate on YIMBYs because commies hate it when developers make a profit. It's much more of a center-libertarian position.
>>1872317Have you ever tried to see into an apartment building? Because the light levels are lower inside than out it's actually quite difficult through glass.This is of course different at night with your lights on but then you can't see out the windows anyway so close the blinds then.
>>1872367ok Not Just Trannies
>>1872317it bothered me too, but i think it mostly trickles down to the fact that nowadays most of us barely know the people we live in the same building with. I think it depends on what floors your room is in, obviously first floor are easier to look inside. I think the problem get worse if you live in one of those apartments that has a inner courtyard, square shaped, first floor apartments' window and doors directly open into the common area, especially when alot of them have plants and/or swimming pool in the middle of the courtyard, so people are forced to walk along the wall of the building, so right outside your window. i think traditionally they solved this by having a setback, usually a little garden or plants outside your window, or with the first floor raised, so windows won't be at someone's eyelevel. Of course, you are not getting any of these, you will live in your 5 over 1s and you will be happy.
>>1872390That term existed for decades before any youtubers decided to talk about it, you'd just have had to actually read a book.
>>1871658>>1871705I'd say the Soviet commie blocks are closer to what America is than what urbanists want. Which it's funny how despite American and Russia having polar opposite economic systems they both settled on similar urban styles, with the Soviets admittedly building with slightly more efficiency.
>>1872417Bitch what the fuck is >>1872367 even supposed to mean?You weren't replying to anyone and the OP has nothing to do with the term.
>>1872456You know what you're rightThread moves so slow I assumed anon was responding to an earlier conversation but the third places comment is a total non-sequitur
>>1872457n-n-NOOO00 YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO ENDLESSLY DOUBLE DOWN, DIVERT, CALL ME A RACIAL SLUR AND MAKE YOURSELF LOOK STUPID TO MAKE ME FEEL SUPERIOR!!!!!!!!!!
Do height limits in a downtown core ever make sense?
>>1873013>Do height limits ever make sense?No.
>>1873016Zoomers will say this, and then turn around and decry the "desecration" of stuff like picrel and say soulless bugmen value tacky modern bling over "liveable cities"Why can't you admit you just don't have any thoughts of your own and your opinions on urban matters are simply regurgitated takes on YIMBY ancap astroturfing campaigns? We get it, rules bad (except when they apply to people I don't like, then rules good). If you defend the oligarchs they'll give you a cool renovated loft in the hippest part of town.
>>1873033>picrelThe fuck is that?
>>1873016Except for airplanes.
politically informed crop of a recent photo.
>>1868168This is fake right?
>>1873016Japan limits building height as a function of the street the building faces, so big streets get big buildings and smaller streets stay human scale. It seems to work pretty well.
>>1873016build taller than 6 floors should be considered a crime, same with roads wider than 12m.
>>1873016>t. fuck sunlight
>>1873145Very real and very homosexual. Although it seems they cut the middle lanes for pedestrian, bus and bicycle traffic.Just imagine your country's delusional government bulldozing half your city for motor traffic mid-century, mistaking it for might and grandeur, only for that kind of development to become a symbol of shithole countries.
>>1873221>bulldozing half your city for motor trafficBased. There's nothing more important than good road infrastructure for cars.
>>1873183This is next to the Danube channel in Vienna. The path for pedestrians is tiny and unmaintained (and also hard to access, no barrier-free access), whereas a huge and noisy motorway is built right next to it.