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Is it possible to make a "walkable neighborhood" (however you would define it) while still keeping single family homes and ample, convenient parking?
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Yes, if people don't routinely use their cars. If driving your car a few times a month and for road trips and special circumstances is the norm, rather than for every trip.

With a hugely reduced volume of vehicular traffic, space and money for roading and parking can be vastly reduced. And there would be a broad public consensus to prioritise walking and cycling in shared spaces, and an acceptance of traffic calming and vastly reduced speed limits outside of arterial routes. And, it doesn't even have to mean driving is worse for people who do drive, because there are far less cars on the road.

However it's a chicken and egg situation. How do you get less people do drive? Make it suck. But it won't suck if less people drive. But less people won't drive unless it sucks.
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>>1850919
I live in one. Its a concept called new suburbanism.

Smaller lots, bigger sidewalks, every neighborhood gets a park and a convenience store. 1 and 2 car garages only. Pickleball, walking trails, a big open grass field where they play biddy soccer. Half court b ball and a wetlands area and we got beavers in our lake!

The guy who built ours built one other new suburbanism development then retired. The new builders in the area arent fully committed to the idea. My house has doubled in value if i was buying today i could not afford it.
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>>1850928
Oh and the wiki def of new suburbanism isnt what they call it here. New suburbanism is the concepts of new Urbanism brought to the suburbs.
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Yes. Look at the attached image of my hometown - as you move from left to right you advance in time and can see the change in development styles in American cities from 1880 to 2020 - early there was a grid layout that became a dense downtown area that became a commercial core surrounded by streetcar suburbs, then outlying residential areas with smaller homes and mixed commercial and business uses nearby. Everything up to this point is walkable and there are plenty of single family homes. But about midway through the image you get to postwar suburbs built with the expectation that people will drive everywhere - the 1940-75 areas aren't too bad because the roads have a grid pattern that mean you can walk places without too much added distance, but after that you get 'donut on a stick' and curvy road suburbs surrounded by arterial roads so that nothing is walkable. Also note the presence of an interstate highway around the central urban core - lots of homes and businesses had to be razed to make way for this, further reducing the supply of walkable neighborhoods...
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I’d say it depends. For a walkable neighborhood to exist all the commodities of life such as homes, shops, grocery markets, bakeries, streets, etc need to be concentrated in high density areas and no more than a 5 minute walk away. To do this we’d need to cut down on the zoning limits most American cities have regarding businesses. Most notably, we need to get rid of plain single family zoning and use more mixed-use zoning. (In other words, single family homes can also have businesses or shops on the same street, or even on the ground floor, with ideally about a third of the buildings being business related)

Another important aspect is the scale of buildings themselves. In order to maximize the efficient use of land to make a city walkable, the population density per square meter needs to be high. To do this while maintaining single family homes, the very houses need to change. They would need to be tall (3-4 floors) but also have a small base, like you stretched one out.

finally, the question of cars
To put it bluntly, I don’t know if it’s possible or even ideal to maintain car culture in a large densely populated area. People in these busy and populous areas tend to be more progressive already and use cars because it’s necessary for them. So I feel like even if we made all the norms of cars available, people would eventually want to get rid of them?
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yes it's called europe
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>>1851003
Even in Europe we have issues with "new" suburbs being built in more rural areas in a style that resembles American ones. One of my best friends growing up lived in such a suburb. No convenience stores anywhere nearby, far in the outskirts of town with the closest store being an industrial area shopping mall, Walmart style. Only upside was plenty of hiking and bike trails nearby (but not significantly closer than they were for me living in the town itself, and we would bike to the trails anyway).

Predictably the kind of people that moved to those suburbs had the class and attitude that you can expect.
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>>1850919
>single family homes
i guess?
>parking
no unless you put it underground or something
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Depends on how you define “ample and convenient parking”. Most cartards aren’t satisfied until the entire city is paved over with asphalt.
The best option is to let landowners build what they want; that results in the highest and best use of the land.

But north side of Chicago is quite walkable and has a mixture of single family homes, parking, and apartments.
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>>1850928
This is the kind of place I live in.
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Why would you need to keep ample, convenient parking if everything's walkable?
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>>1850919
Most suburbs are literally already like this, look at a map.
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>>1850921
I've been thinking about this a lot lately, and I don't think major improvement is possible for 99% of America. It's like solving obesity or debt. You aren't going to get a majority of people to vote to eat their veggies and take their medicine consistently for generations. People want to do what feels good in the moment, and for now that's air conditioned insulated cages. Eventually they will be electric and semi-autonomous, but it won't solve any problems.
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>>1850928
I live in a walkable neighborhood. In my city (Grand Rapids MI), all the existing walkable areas are from prior to the great depression. Some of them have driveways and some don't. It's impossible to build dense neighborhoods now, or houses with character. The people who want them can't afford to be homeowners, and the people who can afford that luxury would rather drive in 20 minutes from their suburban mcmansion.
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Why do people think that other people not wanting exactly what they want is a “problem” to be fixed?
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>>1850939
Not op. Interesting perspective. Thank you for sharing.
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>>1851054
It's not a matter of preference, purely car based mobility is objectively and measurably broken. It causes financial burden both individually AND collectively simultaneously, it isolates and tears at the social fabric, it has severe health effects and it even causes countless deaths directly.
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>>1850941
>In order to maximize the efficient use of land to make a city walkable, the population density per square meter needs to be high. To do this while maintaining single family homes, the very houses need to change. They would need to be tall (3-4 floors) but also have a small base, like you stretched one out.
That would be townhomes, like they have in Houston. The yards become practically non-existent and there's way too many driveways for the street.

>shops, grocery markets, bakeries, streets, etc need to be concentrated in high density areas and no more than a 5 minute walk away
See, when people say "walkable", they often mean "high density". I'm wondering if that doesn't have to be the case. Plus, it's going to be hard to maintain an "ideal" selection of commercial shops nearby if there's a recession, and most shops are going to need outside traffic to stay in business.

>>1851030
>Why would you need to keep ample, convenient parking if everything's walkable?
Because these things don't exist in a vacuum. You aren't stuck, or at least, shouldn't be stuck, with what you can find in a one-mile radius, and if you wanted to visit, you aren't discouraged from visiting because the parking situation is so messed up.
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>>1851064
>Because these things don't exist in a vacuum. You aren't stuck, or at least, shouldn't be stuck, with what you can find in a one-mile radius, and if you wanted to visit, you aren't discouraged from visiting because the parking situation is so messed up.
You seem to assume that a walkable neighborhood would inevitably exist as an island of life quality in a sea of cars, and would therefore still have to be connected to the outside in any way by cars. I not only see it possible but have lived in and experienced areas that are in themselves walkable but also well connected, and where you don't need a driveway big enough for four cars PLUS on street parking just to receive some guests.
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>>1850919
Yes, anon. You're describing the ghetto/hood.
>Narrow streets with parking on both sides, making them safe for cycling.
>Streets are curved and blind corners are everywhere, so you have to be careful driving down.
>Kids are always playing basketball in the middle of the street. Adults talking to people on the side of cars.
>Lots of trees giving off ample shade.
>Apartment buildings, attached and detached single-family homes with small yards, projects (commie blocks)... all on the same street.
>3 Grocery stores within 15-30 minute walking distance.
>Bodega/neighborhood corner stores ~8 minute walking distance.
>Multiple bus routes go through the neighborhood.
>Subway station is ~15 minutes walking distance away.
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>>1850919
The entire city of LA is literally this.
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>>1851066
All based, except for the noise, trash and damage that comes with poor, uneducated, bored people.
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>>1851067
Not entirely but yeah
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>>1850919
My neighbourhood has a lot of single family homes while being close to many modes of transportation. It's quite nice, because there's ample parking on the streets due to many residents using public transit. It's quiet, and biking is safe on most of the streets. However, it's incredibly hard to convince my city councilor to rezone the neighborhood for mixed use development, as the residents care more about the character of the neighborhood.
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>>1850928
oh and I forgot the most based thing they did: there are parts of the neighborhood that were once the model homes. so for each model home they built a little 6 pack of parking spaces next to it. The result is every couple of streets there's a 6 pack of parking spaces off street free for anybody. The developers didn't lose any money as they put the spots in areas too small to sell a house.
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>>1850928
don't want to doxx my own neighborhood but if you want to look at the New Suburbanism neighborhood look at the New Longview Estates development. It entails New Longview, a number of other less New Suburbanist, a movie theater, a bank, a financial advisor, a pizza place, and a coffee shop. All next to a lake.

New Longview went full Nu-urbanism and even put the garages in the back like 1940s houses. they didnt do that with future segments as people fought over the common alleyspace.

That's the only thing that failed with nu-suburbanism in my town: people hated the rear facing garages.
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>>1851212
https://homevaluesleessummit.com/new-longview-subdivision-in-lees-summit-missouri/?doing_wp_cron=1663290911.0249869823455810546875
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>>1850919
yes, you just have to make sure there are good transit connections within the walkshed of the home
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWsGBRdK2N0
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>>1850919

walkable neighbourhoods depend on shit not being spread so far apart.

it's a pain in the arse to walk 10 minutes to get from one identikit big retail shed to another

thank fuck i live in blighty, where i have my pick of kebab shops, shiity ethnic restaurants, charity shops, pawn shops that specialise in whatever junkies can get away with burglarising and tramp doorways, some of which have tents so tramps can drink and shoot up with some privacy, as well as malls where all the chains hang out pending their insolvency.

there's also out-of-town sheds where i can go if i want to go to a garden centre or a curries or a drive-thru KFC, but that depends on driving through the rampant 20mph zones and paying for a fucking MOT and car tax and fuck that shit
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>>1850919
>Is it possible to make a "walkable neighborhood" (however you would define it) while still keeping single family homes and ample, convenient parking?

No.
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Any 1930-60s inner ring suburb. Lots of these got flooded with niggers but you could easily recreate the street plan
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>>1850919
Sure. But you'll have to fly to Japan. They DGAF about zoning laws there apparently. One house is an actual house and nextdoor is a cafe where you can be entertained by Hattori Hanzo and his trusty sidekick.

Be sure to order warm Sake with your lunch as this will warm the cockles of the proprietors heart.
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>>1850919
Yes, just look at the Netherlands
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>>1850919
As long as you don't want a neighbourhood of only single family houses, sure.
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>>1850919
It doesn't really work, but what is funny in suburbs are when I go by on my bicycle and ring the bell. The more dogs that are being walked the better the results. So far it doesn't work on golden retrievers. Small dogs are the funniest to do this. Honestly it serves them right for not only hogging the path from non-dog walkers and bicyclists such as myself, but then they do not even pick up after their incessantly barking dogs.
>>1852021
We don't want to recreate old rambler suburbs.
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>Is it possible to make a "walkable neighborhood" (however you would define it) while still keeping single family homes and ample, convenient parking?
Yes, it's called a shared underground garage and most successful car-free resorts and walkable neighbourhoods have it.
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>>1850919
You mean most of suburban Japan?
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>>1850939
>Also note the presence of an interstate highway around the central urban core - lots of homes and businesses had to be razed to make way for this, further reducing the supply of walkable neighborhoods...
hmmm...
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What would you think about restricting street parking and home garages and instead having one residential garage with spots tied to your address?
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>>1850928
Sounds like a lot of the things that a]either naturally arise on sensibly built places or are retrofitted to keep with the times.

Ample parking is a symptom of the thinking that produces non-walkable places. What you are looking for is sufficient parking. Honestly I feel the question is incomplete but I’m going to assume you mean walkable in the sense you can accomplish day to day needs without use of a car. You need to adjust expectations to make it work. Single family homes don’t have be mini-mcmansions. Your dog is going be a lot more happy visiting the park or walking the neighborhood than having a huge personal toilet that requires massive upkeep. Your neighborhood market works when zoning allows it, regulations permit it to operate at the scale they are comfortable with and vehicle access mostly exists for deliveries of inventory.
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what do busriding retards think a walkable city will be like? because if there's no roads then it will just be house after house after house with NO spaces between them
it'll be a fucking prison camp
take an aerial view off google maps and replace every road with houses and just imagine what kind of hellscape that would be
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>>1853292
who said there wouldn't be roads, R E T A R D
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>>1853294
the first post in the thread you gimp freak
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>>1853295
>Is it possible to make a "walkable neighborhood" (however you would define it) while still keeping single family homes and ample, convenient parking?

hmm, nothing about no roads in there. you wouldn't be the same megafaggot that keeps posting their white base model shitmobile, would you?
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>>1853296
just admit you can't read. youre embarassing yourself
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>>1853297
>projection
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>>1853298
reply to me again
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>>1853299
sup faggot. still projecting?
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>>1853300
reply to me again
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>>1853301
>no argument
>still projecting
>still an utter retard

happy to oblige.
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>>1853292
>what do busriding retards think a walkable city will be like? because if there's no roads then it will just be house after house after house with NO spaces between them
>it'll be a fucking prison camp
>take an aerial view off google maps and replace every road with houses and just imagine what kind of hellscape that would be

anon have you really never been in a nice public space without cars? You've never been to a park, laneway, plaza, boardwalk, esplanade, town square, beach?

You have space to walk, trees, benches, steps, grass, paving, art, people, food sellers, etc etc
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>>1853292
>>1853295
>>1853297
>>1853299
>>1853301
lmfao
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The problem is no one can agree on what “ample parking” is. We basically carpet bombed our downtowns to add parking but people still can’t find a space.
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>>1853292
>no roads
>only walkways between mixed use buildings that house multiple families and single apartments and are also used for all kind of businesses on the lower levels
>only a few narrow streets in between that are either cramped with cars or people or completely banned for private transport
>old substance, holes in the street and crooked houses are everywhere
People seem to love that kind of prison camp neighbourhood, it's pretty expensive and often destination for the whole area to have a good time.
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>>1853207
Fucking hate those rat sized dogs, they are always the ones going apeshit at anything, and when it's the owner walking them it's an old bitch that can't keep the fucking rodent in check.

Why are giving me the stinkeye, you fucking old hag, it's your oversized rat that's going crazy. I love animals but I swear I feel the urge to kick those little shits to the moon sometimes.
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>>1850919
Yes. Traditional single family suburban neighborhoods. Nice sidewalks, streets two and three car garages. Shops within a half mile or so. Easily walkable if you are not a lard ass.
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>>1850921
>And, it doesn't even have to mean driving is worse for people who do drive
>How do you get less people do drive? Make it suck.

>Comrade, how do we stop starvation?
>Make them starve.

You commies are a retarded bunch.
Nobody wants to walk or take a bus.
People want cars.
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>>1851063
>purely car based mobility is objectively and measurably better*
FTFY
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The neighbourhoods in old Toronto core seem to be that. Especially neighbourhoods in the West end. Which is probably why they got gentrified so hard over a decade ago.
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>>1854568
>t. sentient fatberg
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>>1853207
>So far it doesn't work on golden retrievers
because they (and labradors) are the only dogs who aren't assholes. They're bred to be very chill when there's literal gunfire going on.

A thing I personally like to do is when karen is walking her rat on one of those extendable leads, and it stretches right across the road, is to just run over the lead.
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>>1853631
>>1854779
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>>1850919
>Is it possible to make a "walkable neighborhood"

Is it possible to make a rendering of a non walkable neighborhood. Not a stroadville but something where only roads exist, no sidewalks. Supermarkets are consolidated into superstores and are every 5 miles. Schools forbit children from riding their bikes as there is no sidewalk and the posted town speed limit is 70 mph.
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>>1850919
Yes, this is in Poland and probably other ex commie countries as well
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>>1853314
It's difficult to tell what city that's supposed to be (or what the yellow and purple represent) but downtown parking is almost never free during weekdays, and many of them ARE packed out during that time. If cities DO have free parking on weekdays it's probably because there's basically negative demand. And parking is rarely particularly convenient to where you actually want to go.
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>>1850919
Yes.
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>>1851066
>>1851070
Could we put the unemployed to work, the insane in hospitals and the drugged in rehab ? From what you say there's already a good basis for good neighborhoods in there.
>>1851054
>>1854568
>>1854567
You're such a pathetic manchild. Have a (You) for all this shameless whining.
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>>1850919
What do you mean by "ample, convenient parking"? If you mean that every single-family home has space for 5 SUVs and room on the lot to get them all past each other, you're doing something of a number on walkability because of the sheer quantity of land you'll need for all that parking. By the time you have a large enough district to support shopping, it's on average beyond reasonable walking distance.
On the other hand, if you only have 1-2 small cars per family, and no space on the lot to get them past each other (so the family needs to think about what order they put them in) then you can do walkability (depending on other plot-size factors).
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>>1856969
>"ample, convenient parking"
For residential areas, space for at least two cars on their own property (both able to get out), and either extra driveway space for visitors and/or free street parking. Unless you are throwing a massive party there should be no fighting over parking spaces.
For commercial areas, unless the business is functionally packed out, free parking should be adjacent to the business.
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>>1857004
That’s absolutely too much residential parking desu
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>>1857007
Only if you're single and friendless, but hey, who am I to judge?
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>>1857011
I’m married and pretty active in the local community but it’s true I don’t host many keggers. That level of parking should be accessible only by buying the vast amount of land it requires. I pay for your roads (and likely a lot more than you do) and it does irk me a bit to have my public contribution be used to store a private good.
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>>1857014

in the UK you have to buy a parking permit to park overnight on a public street in your neighbourhood, if you're not able to park on your property.

it surprises me that US municipalities have not hit upon this as a source of revenue. £50pcm for every car that does not fit in your garage adds up if enough people park on the street. UK municipalities have gaggles of parking enforcement bods with google cars that drive around and take snaps of cars and if they don't have a valid ticket they get a fine. if you're vindictive toward your neighbour, you can snitch on him, too. chunky fine inbound.

obvs, you permit is limited to your local residental area. anywhere else and you have to pay for on-street or parking lot parking at a machine like anyone else.
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>>1857017

actually it's per annum and not per calendar month, if i'm not mistaken
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>>1857017
That’s a great idea. Doubles as effectively a tax break for people who actually pay for their own infrastructure instead of mooching off us higher rate tax payers by parking on the street.
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all you have to do is cut off half the roads in the neighborhood and make them bike lanes.
use a design which only allows for the viability of cars and NOTHING more, dont make it a convenience in any fucking way to drive a car.
there is no good reason why almost every commercial block is accessable to cars from all four sides, one side is all you fucking need what the fuck is wrong with you
downsize street widths in general so people dont feel like they're on a literal runway
never give cars a "free corner". people need to learn how to square their fucking turns.
cars are deadly pieces of fucking equipment, you do not have to grow up risking your life every single day.
and most importantly, raise the sidewalk to ALWAYS be the tallest part of the street. flat out just copy the netherlands style of "intersection speedbumps" where a car has to drive up onto the intersection (sidewalk) to make a turn or a through
that last part is by far the most important
its the one reason people are living cancer behind the wheel; the road is always convenient for them and they always have right of way.
its nigger shit
these jews can drive as fast as they fucking want to and ur always gonna have to wait for these fucks to go first or else
raise the fucking sidewalk, limit cars in general, invest in bike-frastructure and ur on the path to sustainability
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>>1857023
and to the ppl bitching about "muh work trucks"
ur shit for brains bitch ass needs to safety the fuck up, its for your own well being too
and i dont get why pretentious unprofessional prickfaces are the ones building my infrastructure
god damn and dont even get me started on these union jews
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>>1850919
The place I grew up in (Albany, CA) was much like this. Plenty of single family homes and small apartment complexes with ample off street parking, but also schools/grocery stores/all necessary amenities within walking distance, BART stations in neighboring towns within walking distance, and several frequent bus routes. Sadly the tech boom made it utterly unaffordable and crime/leftism boom has made it unlivable, but at least when my family first moved there when I was a kid it was ideal.
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>>1857014
>I pay for your roads
As do I as a taxpayer citizen. The "cities pay for the suburbs" is just a myth made up of some big assumptions by people with an agenda in mind. Basing policy on falsehoods is incredibly dangerous.
>no it is true based on a video I saw
There are several things wrong with it. To start with, you'd have to be in the same municipality to pay for road construction. I expounded on this at >>1856865. It's unlikely that any of this matters, though--you clearly have your mind made up.
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>>1857042
I meant I pay for your roads because I pay much more income tax than you and I pay higher registration fees and taxes for my own vehicle because of its large engine and high pollution. I just don’t leave it on the side of the road like a sofa in the hood.
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>>1857042
>I expounded on this at >>1856865 .
And it was retarded. Your assumptions were dumb and clearly you speedread through everything. Now fuck off and go back to putting your dick in your car's exhaust.
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>>1850919
yes unless your idea of aple parking means the streets are lined with cars
your car should go in yur fucking garage
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>>1857023
>let's intentionally build shitty infrastructure

you really need to an hero
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>>1850919
I think so, definitely in keeping single family homes, just the lots sizes and setbacks have to change to use the space around the houses more efficiently. I lived in an area like this and the way they handled the parking for each house was there was a one way laneway separating the backyards which allowed every house to have parking, but kept the main road clear of driveways etc.
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>>1850919
Walkable is a 1/4 mile....get a tattoo of it.
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>>1858902
>infrastructure that serves the most people is "shitty"
Heal thyself doctor.
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>>1850919
>ample, convenient parking
Depends on what you mean on your last point. Americans are used to having the capacity for every single home in a suburb being able to have 10 friends come over and park all at the same time. Really though street parking should be illegal, and you should be required to keep your property on your property.
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>>1859137
Better yet, what is the jap thing? You have to prove you have a place to keep it when you register the vehicle.
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>>1858902
you forgot your capital letters and punctuation, double-spacer
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>>1850919
Yes, Neighborhoods are already walkable and people are just lazy.
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>>1860164
My town is the size of manhattan and has ~20k people. Anything you want, ANYTHING is a minimum hour to two hour walk, in the next town over. And you'll be expected to walk along a state highway. For maybe 600 people, there is a park within 15 minutes walking distance. Obviously it's the type of suburb where people want lots of land, but to say most neighborhoods are good in this regard is willful ignorance
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>>1850919
To an extent. If businesses want to serve more than just the immediate area, they need parking.
Narrower lots, even row housing, can work as long as there is an alleyway between lines of houses in order to keep cars off the street.
also >>1850928 sounds like a perfect example
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>>1851067
>city of LA
LA is a dense suburban area, not a city
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>>1850919

Maybe if you had parking areas kinda nearby houses, obviously houses with garages, and paths on the side of the house opposite the street. Community near me does this, super smart planning. Love you pine grove.
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Yes
but cucks here hate kino single family homes and cars
I'll do some of the manual labor myself if someone would fund my planned community
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>>1850919
Yes, just don't zone fuck it. Allow people to open shops and restaurants in residential areas and people will walk to them.

I'm not saying allow a full ass Walmart, just you know a bodega, bakery and such.
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>>1863702
literally nobody hates the existence of your individual family within a singular home
they only hate the fact that they are legally required to have a lawn/setback
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>>1850919
If by walkable you mean bikeable, yes. Walkable is everything within one mile which s probably impossible to achieve in most places. Bikeable is everything you need within 3 miles which is achievable in most places.
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>>1850919
That's just every neighbourhood in Australia bro
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>>1851051
except we don’t have a choice but to solve it, or our society will either buckle under the strain or transition to a useless HL2-stalker esque form of existence
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>>1850919
Take the rust-belt pill
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i live in a neighborhood like that, close to an abundance of shops/resturuants/sevices nearby mainline public transit routes. only the rich people have a whole single family homes. all the poor people live in 2story houses convereted to 2 or 4 apartments with inlaw buildings for rent in the back yard, or the two or three properties were bought up to build a 2 or 3 story apartmnt building.

there are too many people for this. if you keep spreading out the single family homes, they turn into suburbs and there isnt enough density for buisness to stay afloat with the walk in traffic they need so no buisnesses will set up in the outskirts neighborhoods, theyll stay on the main strip, and the outskirt neighborhoods will be too far from mainline public transit, they will need feeder lines but that is too slow so theyll just drive
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>>1851030
>Why would you need to keep ample, convenient parking if everything's walkable?
most americans can aford a car to do things like visit grandma or go to a job interview thats not five minutes away. most amaericans can afford a car and still want to keep one even if they dont use it everyday.

case in point, im a frugal hippie and i still keep a truck around and use it for different tasks at least once a week. i can accomplish so much more with this lil truck
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>>1851035
>Most suburbs are literally already like this, look at a map.
most the suburbs ive been to, you need a vehicle to access things like resturuants and shopping centers and ironically mechanic shops /auto parts stores
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>>1853207
>We don't want to recreate old rambler suburbs.
why not? who is we? are you an urban planner? a developer? a karen?
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>>1857023
>i hate cars
>i hate car traffic
>never give cars a "free corner". people need to learn how to square their fucking turns.
>i hate this
>i hate that about cars
wow, how to vehicle idle times 10x
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>>1857025
bart was supposed to connect cities, not neighborhoods, thats why it is painfully slow in the northern end, but flies through the southern end and other branches.

also unless you live right off san pablo ave or solano ave, your a car drive away from everything, unless you have the health to ride a bicycle everywhere

idk wtf youre talking about crime in albany, nowadays oakland is fucking as safe as albany/berkely area used to be, i remember adults trying to rob me of my bike when i was a kid anywhere along san pablo ave, now the whole length of that road has been gentrified. nigger crime seems to be near completely gone, though now we have the meth/tweaker plague, but the albany/el cerrito/berkeley area has been going hard on them.
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>>1850919
The truth is that you don't need "walkable neighborhoods".
What you really need are speed limits, sidewalks, some small shops in walking distance and medium-sized businesses around arterials to justify buses.
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>>1852077
multifunctional zoning is still zoning
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>>1850919
yes but only criminals walk those
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>the original
>still the best
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>>1867656
you'd save ∞x gas by walking
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>>1869400
you would also never make it out of a 3 mile radius
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>>1869407
>muh miles
ok? where you going with this?
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>>1850939
>but after that you get 'donut on a stick' and curvy road suburbs surrounded by arterial roads so that nothing is walkable
One thing I'm proud of here in Iceland, is that most cul-de-sacs are connected onwards with a walking path, so you can walk in a fairly straight line in most urban and suburban areas.
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>>1850919

I live in a recently developed neighbourhood in a 50k-ish people town.

4-5 stories buildings, parking in the building basement where each family has 1 parking spot in an open floor garage.

Everything can be reached in 30 minutes walk tops inside the town, plus a train connects us to the nearby large city in approx. 20 minutes.

For this reason, a lot of young families are flooding the place making the rent prices skyrocketing and the house purchase virtually impossible before you are in you 40s.

I enjoy living here and I use the car only for weekend trips.
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>>1852088
Any european small town actually. Big cities can be different but still walkable in my experience.
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>>1867007
>Walkable is everything within one mile
That's just expensive city neighborhoods and high quality commie block areas, I guess.
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>>1850919
Yes, look at neighbourhoods like Outremont or Westmount in Montreal
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>>1857017
>in the UK you have to buy a parking permit to park overnight on a public street in your neighbourhood
Only some councils do that and even then it's for specific areas. When I was living in an urban area, there were no restrictions for on-street parking which was great for me but it can be a bit difficult to find a space sometimes.
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>>1869430
>ok? where you going with this?
im going to places outside of a 3mile radius from where i live
pick n pull
flea market
nature
waterfront
jobs
walshart
secret boys spot
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>>1850919
Fuck no. Might as well make socialism work.
>ample, convenient parking
And there is your fucking issue. Fat fucks are lazy and do not belong in walkable neighborhoods. Don't cater to them.
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>>1850919
What is so hard about providing parking space?
Just put a garage under your house
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>townhouses
>bottom floor consists of mudroom, stairs and garage
>wide sidewalks, crosswalks and stop signs on every intersection
>good public transport so commuting by car is unnecessary
>smaller neighborhoods (small enough to comfortably walk from one end to the other) bordered by larger streets with shops, restaurants bus stops, etc
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>>1869874
>stop signs
Yield signs. If you need stop signs the traffic is moving too fast.
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>>1853314
>>1856713
The main issue with a huge amount of parking is the people in the local area that would most be able to wall to a store cannot past a certain point due to the number of parking lots spreading things out. So that forces them to drive, which makes the parking lots justify their existence (through a problem they contributed to).
Honestly I think one of tbe best ways to achieve walkable cities with regards to parking lots is to not allow stores to all have their own dedicated ones. Have shared parking lots, also more parking garages, making stores more dense. Ever driven past a Wal Mart parking lot that was actually full? Yeah, me either. They're built for insane capacities that are basically never filled. Then because every store makes parking lots huge for maybe that one day out of the year the might have a chance to fill it, the city gets more spread out.
I think ordinances regarding new developments requiring parking garages plus small parking zones (curb side only or maybe small lots that feed multiple businesses) definitely help with density issues. I've been seeing this more and more here in Texas of all places. The difference between old and new developments is nuts.
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>>1865548
>legally required to have a lawn/setback
I was bitching about this recently. I love my back yard, but hate that I have a front yard. Its fucking useless, its mostly just grass and I have to spend at least one day every week during spring/summer mowing it. It does nothing for me. I'd rather my fucking house be right by the rode and the back yard be huge, at least then I could do something like use the land to put a shed on or something. Fuck, I'd even go with having the house and the back yard and just get rid of the front yard. The density of the neighborhood would increase a ton just through that.
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>>1856754
> all this shameless whining.
NTA but you’re the one whining about how we need to make driving suck because otherwise nobody will accept your stupid ideas.
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>>1869548
i have all those within my home 3mi rad.
idk what jungle u live in desu
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>>1850919
A lot of it could be fixed with some simple planning:

>mix residential and commercial areas
>picrel

>keep these areas small
divide neighborhoods instead of having one big neighborhood

>strategically placed roads and bike lanes

>sidewalks and paths that cross over or under roads and connect everything

>having the interior core of commercial areas have no direct car access

>have some busses run for town to town transportation

>also a rail system that doesn't suck and connects towns
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>>1869895
>Honestly I think one of tbe best ways to achieve walkable cities with regards to parking lots is to not allow stores to all have their own dedicated ones. Have shared parking lots, also more parking garages, making stores more dense
I think the orthodox urbanist opinion is not to mandate few parking lots, but to not mandate parking lots, and allow the developers and building owners to figure out how many parking lots they need. If they build too many they are leaving money on the table. If they build to few, it means that there is a market for a parking garage near by.
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>>1850939
very informative pic, i haven't seen many examples this good that aren't composites of different places. i'm cringing looking at the transition
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>>1867657
>unless you live right off san pablo ave or solano ave, your a car drive away from everything
Are you kidding me? Albany is a square mile, if you can't walk that you're definitely not healthy.
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If it's zoned for single family housing only, what is there to walk to? If more mixed use is allowed it can be, but walking through ample parking lots isn't exactly inviting so you'd have to completely separate those from foot traffic, ideally underground. Also modern single family housing with ample driveways and lawns takes up a lot of space, neccessarily increasing distances between destinations and making walking much less attractive. To make it more walkable you could put houses closer together and have shared parks instead of private lawns. At this point we're basically back to square one: a low density town/city area.
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>>1850919
Yeah it's called a small town. The drawback is its boring as shit and everything sucks
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>>1850919
Can't find the original design, but wasn't Nauvoo kind of like that?
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Nah, because idiots are always changing the definition of 'ample parking'



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