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End of summer edition

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>>1811441

Can't have /n/ without a proper touring thread.

Now that summer is almost over, is anyone planing on doing tours in autumn?
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How much distance do you guys think is realistic in one day? I'm new to biking but I'm trying to get fitter. Is 80 miles an unrealistic goal?
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Anyone tour on a folding bike? I like the idea of being able to shove it in a bag and take it into places that normally freak out at you if you try.
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>>1849974
Depending on how much climbing is in that day, maybe. Especially if you’re new to it as you said.
It might be possible but not sustainable for multiple days.

Lots of other factors: bike weight, your weight, gear weight, tyre tread, width and rolling resistance, fit, ergonomics, riding position, aerodynamics etc.

It doesn’t have to be about fitness. Some bodily issue or pain might come up after 50+ miles that you never experienced.

For example:
I’m reasonably fit, lean and young.
I did about 4000km/2500 miles last year, commuting and riding. Not really rookie or pro.
This summer i decided to visit relatives 200 miles away, 8000 ft of climbing, by bicycle and ride that in 24 hours or less.
I did it on a surly DT with a bikepacking setup and aero bars.
For preparation I decided to do 30km in one hour for 4 days before the trip and do one rest day before.
I rode about 18 hours total.
Cramps started around 50 miles, but you can push trough it and they stop altogether.
Middle of the day, there was a heatwave and on new fresh asphalt to boot. I burned my lungs and it reduced my breathing capacity.
20 miles before the destination very bad knee joint pain started in one leg. Luckily I had clipless pedals so I could pull with that leg instead of push.

I was bedridden the next day.
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>>1850035
i regularly commute by cycle and havent dont any really long distance cycling, but I have a similar story about running a marathon. I never trained up to the full distance I was just a capable like 5km runner when I did it. What ended up happening was about halfway to 2/3rds of the way through my tendons started hurting, esp. achilles, and the next day I didnt have muscle soreness but I did have joint and tendon soreness that lasted a few days.

i feel that training properly up to and maintaining long distance activities involves more gently pushing your body such that you subconsciously learn how to move your body differently to take the load off certain overloaded parts (and also build up some strength in your joints and stuff).

Everyone has bad form and bad fit on their bicycle until theyve ridden in it for long enough to figure out what they need to change.
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>>1850035
I see maybe one just has to get up to that point over a long period of time not just go crazy the week before
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My dudes, it's the end of summer and the prices are going strong as ever here in the eu, the only "sales" are the midget-sized leftovers no one is going to buy anyway. The only stores with actual bikes in stock are the d2c brands' webshops, and there's no fucking way they are going to discount something. I am beginning to stop hoping there will be good deals for bikes. Preordering sucks, but you just know the prices are just goint up next season. Even fucking used market is way overpriced.
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>>1850052
>until theyve ridden in it for long enough to figure out what they need to change
Exactly.
>>1850158
That's why it's difficult to answer when someone asks if something like that is possible.
You might have all your bases covered and everything going well only for your body to suddenly betray you out of nowhere.
So really the only way to tell if you can do it is to actually go do it, but insure yourself in case of failure. That's a pretty good motivator and it certainly was for me.

>>1850196
Bikes and cycling are still booming. I personally have all the bikes I need so I can only see this as a good thing.
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>>1850271
I just sold my mtb that I gradually developed hatred for, planning to switch to a road bike (don't have storage for more than one thief magnet). However, I can't find anything to try out, let alone buy. The shops are empty and the prices are crazy.
Alread missing that fucking bike.
Also, why is the UK full of d2c bike makers and the rest of the continent basically has only Canyon and Rose, which pretty much lost their edge of being lower priced than lbs offerings? Where are the small shop hipster steel frame road bike makers?
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>>1850334
>Where are the small shop hipster steel frame road bike makers?
They exist, but most of them are insanely expensive because well, they can.
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jesus christ, i can't wait till it's -5°C and there are no more cyclists on the road, nobody is in the countryside, the soil is frozen hard there is no leafage and i don't sweat from the moment i sit my ass on the saddle.

i hate cycling in the summer.
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>>1849917
Currently over 1000 miles into my trip across the USA. Riding a 1982 Sequoia that a user here found for me. A lot of fags said I wouldn't even start, but I'm almost to the Rockies. Longest day was 80 miles, but 50 is usually the most I can do with all the uphill in the western states. Broke 3 spokes in 1.5 weeks, so I just got a new rear wheel. This trip is so hard, but I'm still riding.
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>>1850822
god bless you anon
suffering is good for the soul
sorry about your wheel, that is probably the number 1 serious problem tourists face. Glad you sussed it with a new one because once spokes start breaking on a wheel it's usually neverending.

Would love some stories or photos.
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do you guys just take a super long work vacation, or are you unemployed or? I think next time I switch jobs I'm going to take a gap and do some tours
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>>1849917
What panniers are those?
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>>1850826
i've done long tours between stuff. 1-2 weeks is fun though, so it can just be with leave, especially if you have good routes locally.
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>>1850828
Ortlieb Sport Roller (the small / front rack version of the back rollers). They work really well.
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>>1850196
Bike booms tend to last decades.
New will stay expensive unless Microshift stops being retard.
Used market is gradually going down again - people dislike the notion that their rusty BSO isn't worth the thousands they're asking for.

Takes a while, next year we'll be happy buying Look Madison or 566 @ 500 euro
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>>1849917
After a 800km tour, I'm planning a bigger one (~6000 km).
We will be two and want to do it with a tandem. Is there any good brand I should look at ?
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>>1851657
co-motion
i'd try buy a used one if you don't have much money often they get sold super cheap

buyers market if you find something
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>>1851659
Thx. I'll see if I can find in, my europoor country.
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>>1851657
you should get a WIDE LOAD sticker
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>>1850826
>or are you unemployed

Yep.
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>>1850012
I do short tours (usually one day outbound, one day return trip) on a Dahon Mariner D8.
The folding is really convenient for taking it places. I haven't tried the airlines here, because they are anal about it needing a hard case more expensive than my bike itself, but I take it on commuter and intercity rail as just carry on.
Carrying it into stores is awesome for commuting, but that's not something I consider a perk for touring. I have so much stuff hanging off my bike for camping that it's miserable to unload and load. And then unloaded, all that stuff is miserable enough to carry without adding the bike.
The size of a folding bike, unfolded, can be an issue with how you load it down. Many panniers are designed around a certain wheelsize, and once you get under that they'll start reaching moving parts and get awkward the manage (even just straps that need to be tucked away to keep them from catching the wheel). So the panniers you end up with are smaller, and so the bulk items you may still need to carry end up elsewhere. I have a compression bag strapped to the front post with bungie cords, which isn't exactly an elegant solution.

I wouldn't buy a folding bike "for touring," but if you have a folding bike and want to tour, I rate it a "saves $50 on luggage fees" out of 10.
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>>1850826
For a "long" tour, you can take 2 or 3 weeks off and have a lot of fun.
In 2 weeks (15 days), I did 800km : 5 days and half riding, then a 4 day break to visit stuff and again 5 days and half riding and visiting places. To come back home I took the train.

I also met some guy, kind of homeless, riding his bike here & there with his two dogs and making money creating and selling stuff like necklace and other stuff like that and go for all the cheapest option, meet people and be friend with them, but I'm not sure I would be able to live like this guy.

For the next tour I'm preparing, it will last 6 or 7 months. I'm quitting my job in December and start the tour in March. I'll live on my saving during this trip, but it's probably going to be the unique long trip I'm gonna do like this. I'll keep touring, but like I did in the past for a few weeks.
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>>1850822
Keep going on anon !
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Man, how do you even plan for this sort of thing? There's routing, weather, maintenance, food/water, sleep, weight, and probably several other things I haven't considered. I'd love to try it, though.
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>>1852464
Many good touring routes have practically 1 obvious good route you can take. There's no navigation to speak of aside from not getting lost. Asking locals for directions fill the stopgaps and is a good excuse to chat with people. And in a scenic enough place you can sleep practically anywhere if you pitch a small tent stealthily. And learn to dig and shit in a hole.

>weather
pick a good season to go and plan your clothing smartly

>food/water
Water is a challenge. You're going to be drinking 5 litres + daily bicycle touring in summer. You have to get used to asking houses and businesses and boomers in rvs to fill bottles for you. I've never been refused. And potentially in an unpolluted place with rivers above grazing livestock have a good system for purifying/boiling river water. Food is highly dependant on how into cooking you are to begin with but carrying/getting enough calories is easier than managing water and for a shorter tour you can sustain yourself almost entirely on junk food if you wanted.

>sleep
Not hard. You'll be tired.

>Weight
an endless balancing act.
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>>1852485
> learn to dig and shit in a hole.
> learn to shit then dig a hole
FTFY

>>1852464
mostly what >>1852485 said. I'll add a few things :
if you're afraid, start with a short trip (2 or 3 days). Then go for a week or even more.
You'll also have to think about everything that can happen and what kind of stuff you might need (or not) depending on where you will be touring, case once you're on your way, it might be difficult to find some stuff.
You can always read some blog post of people talking about their trip and see what are their gear. You'll reconsider your own gear after your first trip anyway.

> There's routing
I have osmand on my phone so I don't need internet for the map, I turn on my smartphone during the morning and put on a notebook the main cities that day + draw roughtly the roads and some cities around to know when I'm going the wrong way. I also use a compass and often ask people around if needed. If needed I charge my smartphone with https://www.cycle2charge.de/index.php/en/ It works pretty well. Sometimes I also use osmand to find a place to spend the night.

> weather
>>1852485

> maintenance
Learn basic stuff like patching your tire, changing it... This is the most common thing you'll have to deal with. And have the tools for the other stuff.

> food/water
Food was easy : rice & pasta are dry stuff, it's simple. Fruits and vegetables can be on your pannier as long as you don't crush them and you can buy meat, keep it on your pannier and cook it the same night or even the next day at lunch. As >>1852485 said, water can be a problem since you drink a lot of it, you might even cook and wash stuff & yourself with it, so ask people or according your country you can have public fonts (in all cemeteries of my country you have tap water)
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>>1852464
>>1852679

> sleep
I know some people that stayed at the hostel (40+ y-o with a job & money), some people like most of us pitch a tent stealthily. Some other people prefer to go in campsite and pay for the night (I did it once or two to have access to the shower).
Then what kind of tent, how heavy / small etc. depends on what you prefer (weight / size / comfort) but be careful of its resistance to wind and water. Same for the sleeping bag, depends what weather you'll have.

> weight
There are different schools there. Some people prefer to be light, I had 25kg on my last trip. It didn't stop me from doing 80km per day. I even met some guy that had its bike and a trailer to carry a lot of stuff with his two dogs. He never went further than 50km per day tho, but that's up to you since it's your trip and you do whatever you want.

> probably several other things I haven't considered.
Tbh, you named most of the things a bit troublesome. Eventually if you cook with a gas stove or wood stove, the need of a shovel, a small handsaw if you go for the wood stove, a good knive, a first-aid kit, if you want to wash clothes by hand or if you'll have access to a laundromat during the trip.

> I'd love to try it
Try it then.
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>>1852679
>> learn to shit then dig a hole
absolutely retarded
thats like shitting and then lifting the lid

you probably aren't even burying it well half the time and someone down the line steps in your shit. People will go everywhere you go.
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>>1851661
great pic!
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Give me your best ideas how to attach crocs to a bike so they don't dangle and flap around.
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>>1853333
I prefer bedrock sandals because they're way more compact and can fit into a bag easily, you could try bungee cording them to a bag or frame with ~2 cords to maximize stability.
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>>1853333
lean shibari
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>>1849974
just use an e-bike
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>>1849974
If you're going to cycle for 8hr straight at 10mph minimum you could do it. I think that's realistic for a 1 way short tour, doing that every day would be exhausting unless you're adept at it.
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>>1849974
80 miles is not a huge deal at all and people frequently do 80 mile trips and longer. doing it several days in a row is another matter.
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>>1849974
With my bike, loaded (55.12lbs / 25kg), I do 45 to 50 miles per day (75/50 km) with usually 1000 feet (300m) to climb and some day with the wind.
If I wanted, I could probably do more, but I prefer to rest and be able to ride multiple days without breaking my body.
Then again that's with a touring bike loaded.
I know some people that do a shiton of miles per day during 2 weeks but unloaded and with a carbon bike.

80 seems a bit unrealistic since you're on the touring thread and without experience. You can always take your bike a try such a distance.
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>>1853338
Gimme the anthrocrocs shibari rule34
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>>1850978
All ortlieb are great pannier for touring. Those I got are very resistant
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just did a 5 day end of summer tour, will post some pictures
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>>1855751
unfortunately, i don't have many good pictures

last time i had an old camera that i could operate with one hand so i could just take it out the handlebar bag any time without even stopping. now i only got pictures from my phone from where i made a stop, so they are kind of random
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>>1855752
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>>1855753
lots of rain
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>>1855767
cycling in the flatlands between austria and hungary made me realize how much i like the mountains
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>>1855768
camped every night, the tent got wet and stayed that way from day 1
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>>1855769
thanks for sharing
I wish I had something nice to say but man does that look boring. so sterile. the peace and quiet is always enjoyable I guess.
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>>1855800
i agree
on this tour, more than before, i realized it does matter where i go, and what the landscape is like
in the meantime, here's some fortress in hungary
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>>1855931
after 3 days of rain and flatlands, a tiny bit of sunshine and elevation
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>>1855933
this is already from the last day
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>>1855936
some of the thickest fog i've ever seen, the pictures don't do it justice, it was dream like
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>>1855937
highest location on this trip
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>>1855938
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>>1855939
did 180k on the last day, it was a roundtrip so i could arrive home as late as i wanted, and i knew i would have to ride into the night
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>>1855941
i really enjoyed that last day, riding from 7am to 10pm.
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>>1855942
Nice tour, thanks for sharing pictures.
Have to agree with >>1855800 and your self >>1855931 though. No elevation kinda sucks.

Did you camp on campgrounds or also just somewhere in nature?
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>>1855942
The pic is shit but I'm sure for anyone who has ridden the middle of nowhere at night the pic does something.
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>>1856033
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>>1855769
I really dig your setup, did you set camp on a public park?

>>1855939
Cute!
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>>1856029
>>1856084
campgrounds
i like being outside, but i also like having some basic infrastructure
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bros I'm so sad i didn't make the most of summer and get a decent tour in. I even changed job in September and had a month off. I had 2 separate plans for trips in September and both got cancelled. The first because of awful weather and the second because I got sick with fucking covid. And now, there's no chance I'm gonna get out until next Spring/Summer probably. It's not fair.
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>>1855938
this is very beautiful and serene. I'm impressed by your willingness to get out even in the bleak weather.
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>>1856223
How much per night?
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>>1856265
oh come on, you can still go on a short autumn trip
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>>1856269
My gear is too shit. I can't really comfortably do <10C and I lose/broke all my nice rain gear.
I also start a new job tomorrow and I don't think they're so keen on me taking vacation in the first month.
I know these are all obstacles that are not impossible to overcome, but I don't think my motivation is there at the moment. I mainly want to vent.
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>>1856294
motivation is always the hardest bit
go on a weekend minitour my man, you'll enjoy it
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>>1856267
i don't remember exactly, but something like 15 euros per night on average i think
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Just got back from a more or less spontaneous autumn trip from the German-Swiss border to Tunisia and back. Pretty rough weather overall, especially on the way back. Happy to be home. Enough bike touring for this year.
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How feasible is touring on a carbon road bike, so no racks or mounts? I know people like to go bikepacking, but you can't just substitute double pannier bags with a large underseat and frame bags, or can you?
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Drop bars or no, guys?
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what do you use to cook?
pot/frying pan? electric or gas?
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>>1856667
>what do you use to cook?
I don't. I just eat junkfood from supermarkets.
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>>1856667
pot + pan on butane gas
remember to get something to block the wind
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>>1856667
I think my pot is 800ml, aluminium, with a lid. Light
I also have a small frying pan
and now one of those chinese bowls as a mug.

For most big meals I eat rice. I buy 1kg bags of rice. 1 cup of rice measured with the red bowl, 1 1/2 cups of water. You get about 5 cups from the 1kg bag of rice so it lasts about a week. That's a large serving of rice.

It takes about 5 mins to boil on full gas, 12 mins on low simmer, then rest 15 mins.
Then in the pan I make a sauce to eat it with. Maybe a tin of coconut cream or some oil and tomato paste or some chickpeas or something. Veges in there if i have them. Spices, garlic, etc, salt. Some chorizo or something maybe. Many vegetables will last days or weeks in panniers unless it's obscenely hot. Touring in a country with good cheap food I might not bother, but then again, most of the great touring routes are really out of the way and it's nice to spend time out there away from stuff and be able to get calories and be comfy.

Fluff the rice and dump bits in the pan to eat out of that.

Lunch is usually bread + hummus. Breakfast is high calorie muesli, homemade, and then bought on the road, and coffee, plunger if i cbf with the weight, otherwise instant. I also often eat a pack of instant noodles to get some salt and raise my core temp after setting up camp or whatever. The plastic bowl is great for that because you can hold it cupped in your hands and get the warmth, unlike metal.
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>>1856667
>>1856686
Soto windmaster. The simmer function is extremely good. Means you can cook rice and not waste gas/ burn your pot.
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potatos will also cook really quickly if you dice them up extremely small
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>>1856668
This, but fast food.
Half the joy of being on the road for me is eating 1,500 calories of fast food and then feeling hungry enough for ice cream after.
Obviously depends on your route though. Around here even small farming towns will have at least one restaurant.
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>>1856670
what are you cooking?
how do you carry cold food or do you just not take any?

>>1856686
how do you get enough protein? can only think of oats
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>>1856767
>how do you get protein?
meat, eggs, nuts, cheese
what kind of stupid question is that?
>enough protein
enough for what?
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>>1856767
>what are you cooking?
pasta, rice, oats, vegetables, soups, or just to boil water
>how do you carry cold food or do you just not take any?
I only cook what I'm gonna eat
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how much do you guys incorporate your surroundings into your camping? by which I mean, do you use things that you find at your campsite to avoid carrying extra things?
for instance, I've been meaning to stop carrying around a yoga mat and instead gather some brush and shit as a makeshift mattress. or instead of a sleeping bag liner, cover my tarp with branches to insulate it a bit further. or just use scrap wood instead of gas for cooking.
any other ideas?
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>>1856789
not having a mat is an awful idea. But you can insulate your mat with soft stuff for sure. I do that sometimes.

Campfires are great but they're highly location specific and quite a lot of work. I do cook on them sometimes though yeah. It's good to not have plastic handles on your cookware if you want to do that. Also this is basic but realise you don't cook over flame you cook over coals. You gotta have a fire that's broken down some and then you rake coals/embers into another zone to cook on. Grill stuff on sticks. Soak them first.

I like to build dams in rivers to make them fridges or washing machines.
I'll drag logs for seats or tie big sticks together into teepees and stuff like that at a comfy campsite
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>>1856789
bushcrafty bullshit and campfires are fun for sure though lol
sorry for my explaining shit to you tone when you just want to discuss it
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>>1856782
how do you keep that shit cold though?
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>>1856800
You don't.

>cheese
>nuts
>eggs
don't need to be cold
>meat
buy it and eat it then or buy cured meat

Why do you think getting 'enough' protein is so important? Getting enough calories and salt and not upsetting your stomach are really all that matter. After that is eating nice food. Then enough fruit/vegetables. Then protein.

If you're so concerned about protein intake then take some powder with you.
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>>1856800
all that stuff keeps fine at room temp
except for raw meat but you could carry canned fish or cured meat instead
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>>1856637
It is possible, if you skip camping gear and go from hotel to hotel. If you also add a small bar bag then its absolutely no problem from a storage perspective.
>>1856643
Both are okay as long as you have multiple hand positions. I opted for Koga Denham bars as they have bullhorns for extra grip positions. See the pic in the OP to see how they look. The grip tape in the middle is very important because it allows even more hand positions.
I toured before on just flat bars without any alternative hand position and it was miserable. YMMW though.
>>1856667
Trangia with steel / aluminium hybrid pots and pan but fired with a gas burner. Pic related. Its heavy and big but you get 2 pots, a pan and a !very! wind resistant cooking solution. The hybrid pots are also amazing to cook in compared to normal aluminium and even anodized aluminium cookware.
>>1856767
Pasta all day every day. With meat and cheese for protein. Also get parmesan cheese as it is the best to go with noodles.
>>1856789
I don't most of the time as it is very time consuming. I'd rather cycle longer and care less about carrying two kg extra. Spending even 10 min per day on using branches and stuff will cost you more time than simply carrying more weight.
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>>1856392
Nice, more pics mate
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>>1856914
Albula pass in Switzerland
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>>1857140
Early morning somewhere in the Po Valley, Italy
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Crossing the northern Apennines
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Accona Desert in Tuscany
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>>1857144
Somewhere in the Maremma
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>>1857147
Promenade of Civitavecchia, central Italy's most important port town where ferries leave for Tunisia among other destinations
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>>1857149
Arriving in La Goulette, the port of Tunis
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>>1857150
Tunis
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>>1857151
Arriving in Beja gouvernorate
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>>1857152
Somwhere near Medjez el Bab
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>>1857153
Sleeping outdoors near Oued Zarga
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>>1857154
Lads and cats in Beja
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>>1857155
Arid landscape between Beja and Jendouba
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>>1857156
Nebeur
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>>1857157
A coomfy night outside not far from Siliana
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>>1857160
Landscape in the Jebel Serj
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>>1857161
Very poor weather in Oueslatia. First time I was able to purchase bottled water during my stay in Tunisia; I had been mostly surviving on Coke Zero up to that point. The country is currently experiencing shortages across a large spectrum of basic groceries.
https://northafricapost.com/60669-foodstuff-shortages-worsen-in-cash-strapped-tunisia.html
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>>1857162
On my way towards the coast.
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>>1857163
Semi-desert near Kairouan. The Great Mosque of Kairouan is the holiest site of Islam in Africa. The city itself is a shithole like any other in Tunisia though.
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>>1857165
Street scene in Sousse.
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>>1857166
Empty shelves in a supermarket.
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>>1857168
Souk (bazaar, market) in Sousse.
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>>1857169
Cafe Kasba, probably one of the nicest places in town.
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>>1857171
No such thing as traffic rules in Tunisia.
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>>1857173
Trash in Bouficha, a common sight.
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>>1857176
Yasmine Hammamet, a purpose-built and incredibly kitschy, soulless resort town. One of the cleanest places in Tunisia though for what it's worth.
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>>1857180
Last night in Tunisia, cycling back to Tunis for my ferry to France.
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>>1857151
Holy shit that's depressing.

>>1857152
>Beja
Kek I thought that was in Portugal. We really are the moors of Europe.

>>1857160
Kino. Did you comboy camp the entire trip?
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>>1857184
Mohammedia, Grand Tunis
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>>1857185
>Holy shit that's depressing.
Cities, towns and villages mostly consist of concrete shanties covered in trash. That's part of Tunisia's appeal is guess.

>Kino. Did you comboy camp the entire trip?
I spent 20 nights out of 25 in total outside. Cemeteries are my go-to option for sleeping. Not really an option in Tunisia because Muslim cemeteries are very basic. There's a lot of empty fields and olive groves in the middle of nowhere though. Gotta make sure to be at least half a kilometer or so from settlements. Stray dogs are an issue at night.
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>>1857186
Back to the first world in Marseille, France.
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>>1857189
Doing the cemetery meme.
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>>1857190
The old meme bridge in Avignon.
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>>1857191
Mostly following the Rhone river bike trail to get back to Germany. It's the only way to get from the French med coast to the North without significant climbing; left to the Rhone is the Massif Central, and to the right there's the Alps. Been to the Massif Central already though; it's a very scenic region, quite a bit nicer than the Rhone valley but France is pretty everywhere.
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>>1857195
Doing the Rhone trail from South to North is a poor choice though. The local wind blowing through the valley, the Mistral, can be brutal.
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>>1857197
Sometimes you can find tool sheds or chapels in cemeteries offering protection from the elements. The weather in France was quite horrible.
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View over the Rhone.
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>>1857199
France.
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>>1857200
Posh cat.
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>>1857202
My shelter for the night in a playground. Lots of rain. Just barely enough space for me and my bike.
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>>1857203
Lyon
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>>1857205
Villefranche-sur-Saone. Rain rain rain.
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>>1857206
Chevroux. Mediocre day with good amount of headwind but at least no rain for once.
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>>1857207
Regardless of the weather, France is pretty dope for cycling. Sparsely populated, lots of well-maintained roads with little traffic, a great variety of landscapes and terrain, beautiful little towns and villages everywhere and very pleasant drivers.
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Next day, more rain.
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>>1857209
An absurd amount of rain in fact.
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>>1857210
The next day was going to be a shitter too so I decided to pull an allnighter in order to reach Germany and take a train home the next morning.
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>>1857211
So yeah that's pretty much it. Thanks for reading my blog.
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>>1857212
It's cool that you can bike like 1000 km, take a ferry and go through like three countries and get to Africa.
I live in the Yukon and it's like 1700 km just to get out of northern BC and you only pass through like 4 tiny towns and one small city in that distance.
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>>1857184
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so im leaving tomorrow and im planning the yellow route even tho i would prefer red, ive heard the reservations are unsafe, and i'd rather deal with the methhead route as a white dude. Only real concern is getting caught camping at night on reservation land.

any experience with these designated shitting streets?
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>>1856800
Eggs in most countries that aren't North America don't need to be refrigerated I think, iirc they get well washed or something in NA which makes them need to be refrigerated.
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>>1857188
Holy shit anon, cemeteries? Any stories (of being run out of a village by a pitchfork mob)?
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>Any stories

Nothing exciting. The worst thing that can happen is meeting people in the early morning. Cemetery gardeners, old people tending graves or people going for a walk with their dog if it's a park-like cemetery. Happens very rarely, depends on how early or late you get up of course. Most people are surprised and curious about me, others just ignore me.
Nobody ever really gets pissed in my experience. I've never encountered anyone at night. I've got a nice tent but I no longer take it with me on my trips. Too much hassle with little upside in my opinion.
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>>1857779
What about sleeping in the rain (with no toolsheds or open vraves you can get into)?
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>>1857865
If it rains I'll try and find a place to sleep with some sort of cover. In some cemeteries you can find a roof of sorts somewhere. It depends a little on where you are; Italian cemeteries often feature a monumental style with porches everywhere but on the coast the gates are often closed at night; it's much easier to find an open cemetery in the sparsely populated interior of the country. Countries like Austria or Czechia have a lot of chapels. Some are open around the clock and spacious enough to fit a man and a bike. Playgrounds may offer structures for rain protection. In deep Eastern Europe and parts of the Balkans accomodation can be so cheap it's a no-brainer to book a room if it's raining. In Romania you can go to any monastery (there are tons all across the country) and they'll be happy to let you stay the night in a room or dorm. On the Estonian island of Saaremaa bus stops look like little houses with a door and windows and often only serve a handful of people, incredible for spending the night. Bus stops in general or stations (railways stops) in rural areas are okay last resort options if the weather is shit.
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>>1857932
which country or part of europe would you suggest for a first multi day trip?
would you suggest individual route or someting like a Europaradweg?
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Has anyone done any cycle touring around Finland's lakes? My brothers and I are getting into touring and we want to go somewhere in Europe next Spring. We're from the UK so trying to find a decent spot to ride.
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>>1857981
>which country or part of europe would you suggest for a first multi day trip?
Go to any country or region you have a personal interest in.

>would you suggest individual route or someting like a Europaradweg?
I think the Eurovelo routes are largely a meme. Don't think you'll be cycling on dedicated bike trails 100% of the time - the vast majority of the kilometers are along local roads with varying degrees of traffic. I think it's way more fun to make your own itineraries based on places you actually want to see but a part of a Eurovelo route might suit you just fine.
If you just want to get your feet wet consider one of Europe's many river bike trails. The stretch of the Danube bike trail between Passau and Vienna is quite famous for it's scenery. Can be extended to Budapest if you've got time to spare.

But again: If you're fascinated by the culture of the Basque country, the mountains and valleys of Graubünden or the history of Latgalia go there. Most of Europe is perfectly cyclable. Maybe not the Donbas right now.

>>1857989
>Has anyone done any cycle touring around Finland's lakes?
Yes. I think it's quite boring. Not sure why you'd want to go there coming from the UK. It will also be pretty cold in spring.
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I'm in Croatia, which direction should I go for my first tour? Bosnia seems beautiful, but also the most likely place to get stabbed and bike stolen.
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>>1859636
Am Croatian.
>most likely place to get stabbed and bike stolen
Violent crime in the Balkans mostly stem from feuds among family and acquaintances, and night clubs.
Rarely are people attacked spontaneously, maybe by a pack of teenage gypsies at a weird hour in a weird street.
If you keep to nice places, being a tourist and all, your chances of stereotypical depictions of crimes happening to you are next to none.

I'd me more worried about drivers.
Balkanoids are mostly nice until they're behind you in a car and it gets worse the more south-east you go in ex-Yu.
Only for this reason I would personally never bike tour deep ex-socialist countries.
It's a whole psychological phenomenon stemming from generational status and masculinity insecurities.
People will eat oats for breakfast, lunch and dinner but go into debt for a 15 year old Mercedes.
Then seeing you on the road activates that insecurity and self-righteousness.
They slave over for the 'right to the road' and you're here like it's nothing.

I'd recommend going south as far as Split or as far as time allows and then back up and spend some time on the Istrian peninsula.
Avoid the roads along the coastline.
There is a challenging bikepacking.com route if you want to go to Istria first and then south.

Are you Croatian? I presumed not simply because you had presumptions I don't expect from a native.
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>>1857932
You sound very based anon, >>>/out/ needs people like you posting there, give it a try sometime.
Last year I did a little touring trip (600km) and comboy camped the entire way but it was summer and the fairest weather possible.
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>>1857212
Nice blog, 8/10 post more pictures next time.
>>1857268
You can post some Yukon pictures, I'm curious what it looks like.
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>>1859665
Thanks for the tip anon. I actually am Croatian (Slavonija). Although I was exaggerating a bit (the stabbing part), I do have presumptions about Bosnia that come from occasional visits to the hellhole that is RS. The situation might be different from your part of the country. Yeah, going to the seaside seems the most logical, but I'm afraid of traffic honestly and kind of sick of local tourism. Thinking Zagreb - Bled would be easy and fun.
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>>1859739
>You sound very based anon
Thank you. /out/ doesn't really seem to be that much into bicycle touring though. I wouldn't really consider myself an /out/ist in the first place. I'm just good at hoboing through the nights.

>>1859636
>Bosnia seems beautiful
It's fucking awesome. But so is Dalmatia.

>but also the most likely place to get stabbed and bike stolen.
It's perfectly safe and you're much more likely to have your bike stolen in a Western European country actually. Eastern Euros don't really recognize bicycles as expensive lifestyle objects that are worth stealing.

>>1859665
>Balkanoids are mostly nice until they're behind you in a car.
Can't really confirmed this honestly. Been to every single Balkan country. Drivers are mostly okay. Romanians and the Irish are the most stupid drivers in Europe imo.

>>1859766
If you're in Slavonia right now I'd recommend cycling along the Una river up to the national park. Easy, and gets really scenic from Bosanska Otoka onwards.
Usually I wouldn't recommend the Dalmatian coast for cycling but the traffic should be bearable enough now during the off-season. If you want to avoid the coast, the Dalmatinska Zagora is comfy and the main roads are straightforward and carry very little traffic. There are also interesting route options for island hopping in the Kvarner Bay, you could get to Istria this way.

>the hellhole that is RS
It's really not that bad. Just very poor and depopulated, although that applies to all of Bosnia. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me to single RS out in particular lol.

>Thinking Zagreb - Bled would be easy and fun.
Slovenia is very cute but a little boring imo.
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>>1859790
>the hellhole that is RS
>It's really not that bad. Just very poor and depopulated, although that applies to all of Bosnia. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me to single RS out in particular lol.

Anon, I live next to the border crossing and parts of Bosanski Brod feel like Prypyat. There are literally half-burned buildings with people still living in half of the flats, as if the war just ended. I traveled through Bosnia by car multiple times and RS can't even compare to the rest of it.
Thank you for the suggestions, Una route actually seems nice. I will probably plan this for spring/summer.
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>>1859855
>RS
Now that I think about it again, maybe the Croatian/Bosnajk inhabited really parts are a little nicer. I think it depends a little on where exactly where you are though. The border areas between RS and FBiH which suffered the most in the war are probably quite a bit worse than elsewhere. I still don't think it's anything particularly bad though. Shit's par for the course for the deep Balkans. You'll get used to it.

>Una route actually seems nice.
It's one of the most beautiful rivers I know in Europe. Very wild and untamed. Good roads, little traffic. If I were the head Bosnia's ministry for tourism I'd advertise it as a bicycle trail. Put up some signs for orientation and call it a day.

There's also the Ciro trail in the Southeast of the country which follows an old Austrian-built railway line. Also very cool. Probably too far for you for your first trip but maybe something for the future.
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Got back from cycling the Hebridean Way a couple of weeks ago. Beautiful scenery, some tough cycling (mainly due to weather) but very fun. Would highly recommend.
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>>1861051
Kino.
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fuck, I wish I had this much time to do a nice tour. only some weekend trips every now and then.
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>>1849917
Been doing some daytrips on the C&O Canal for the past year in preparation for theoretically doing a full tour this spring. Anyone got some tips, both as a first time bike tourer and for the trail itself?
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>>1865382
read the thread
search archives
just ride bro
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>>1865382
Just finished a trans-continental ride. My advice is to talk to everyone you can. Meet people and enjoy their company. Other than that, just turn circles and enjoy the easy and hard times alike.
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>>1865750
I can second that one, use the bike to your advantage as you are slow and have no metal cage around you people will start talking to you. Use it.
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>>1859946
what town is this? it's perfect
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What's your excuse for not touring in late fall, Anon?

>>1868034
Kulen Vakuf. It is an incredibly idyllic place.
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>>1857779
You are a disrespectful savage and I hope a ghost wakes you up one night. Have some decency and sleep elsewhere. Jesus Christ I cannot believe someone would be so ignorant as to sleep in a graveyard.
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>>1868394
What's my excuse for not touring at all? I'm a lazy weakling. After a couple of hours in the saddle I'm tired, bored and I want to go home.
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>crackpipe
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Do u think I could add a side pannier bag and still have room to carry a passenger?

Any bag reccs?
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>>1870183
something like this
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>>1856667
this : https://www.decathlon.fr/p/popote-camp-du-randonneur-mh500-inox-revetement-anti-adhesif-2-personnes-2-1l/_/R-p-174678?mc=8492728&c=GRIS

> electric or gas?
Wood. Of cours I have a stove this way I reduce the risks of starting a fire everywhere
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>>1856767
>what are you cooking?
Everything.
If I find a butcher I buy some meat, either to fry it on the pan or to make a bbq. In Europe we have a lot of ham and dried sausage that can be kept from a day to another, eggs (they don't break that easily if you manage it well)...
I also buy some fruits and vegetables, always keep rice and pasta. I also made fried potatoes on my pan.
I even made pancakes. I always keep small bottles of milk and chocolate powder for the morning and when it's a bit cold. I also have strawberry ham for the morning and bread.
obviously I don't have all that everytime,


> how do you carry cold food or do you just not take any?
There are some things I don't carry cause I know it won't last, but from experience, meat doesn't rot that fast and easily. I rode the first week of september, it was still hot outside, we could buy meat at 4pm and cook it next day at lunch.
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>>1856789
You won't do that. You'll just buy an hermetic bag and put a mattress inside, use a tent or eventually a tarp.
The only thing you might want to do is have a shovel/pickaxe to shit and eventually to dig a ditch in extreme case.
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>>1857719
In europe you also have this idea of eggs needs to go in the fridge.

If you don't put them on the fridge, there is no problems, but if you put them once in the fridge, you'll have to keep them cold else they rot faster
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>>1858035
>think the Eurovelo routes are largely a meme. Don't think you'll be cycling on dedicated bike trails 100% of the time - the vast majority of the kilometers are along local roads with varying degrees of traffic. I think it's way more fun to make your own itineraries based on places you actually want to see but a part of a Eurovelo route might suit you just fine.
I don't know for other countries but in France you have old railways that were used by industries that are now giant bike lanes. The eurovelo route that go through Paris have some. And if you go on some regional bike lanes you can have them too.
But indeed, it's better to make your own itineraries
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>>1865374
Don't you have holidays ? Take two weeks for this, it's more than enough to do between 500 and 1000 km
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>>1868394
i see thanks
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>>1870211
anon please, I already do all those things, that's why I'm looking for alternatives



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