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General Aviation general. General as in, like, aviation in general I guess. Not general aviation.

Odd One Out edition

Previous: >>1826603
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>majors are dropping the degree requirement
>but it's still certain that if you don't have one your application goes to the bottom of the pile
i'm still on my fucking AA. i don't want to do this anymore bros
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If I saved up $150k, how high tier a pilot could I become if I spent it all on lessons and qualifications?
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>>1844023
you know you can get it all done for like $50k in some places right
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>>1844024
Yeah, I’m interested if there are expensive niche specialisms I may not have heard of as a groundie
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fuck Boeing
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>>1844023
>>1844025
You'll need to spend some of that on a bachelors degree. I don't care what Delta says, you need one. Assuming you go down the Pilot & Flight Instructor path, you'll also want to get your Ground Instructor cert. You can get your Remote Pilot cert for free along the way. I'd recommend looking into get a Airline Dispatcher's license as a backup for medical loss. After your private youll want a high performance endorsement, possibly tailwheel too if you have the dough.

>>1844020
hey retard, if this wasn't about GA, why isn't it called aviation general? kys and never start a thread again
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>>1844144
>Ground instructor cert
What? That's a waste of time if you get your cfi
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>>1844172
It's just a resume filler.
Each cert costs $150 for the written, I got mine and it just beefs up my certs list. AGI exam is nearly the exact same question bank as FIA and IGI exam = FII. If you have invested $60k+ into becoming a flight instructor $300 to get 2 new certs is nearly nothing.
Same mentality as MEI, if you have to pay your way to the 25 minimum (assuming 25 sim) MEL hours for ATP you might as well get your MEI cert with it. It's an extra $1,000 for the DPE fee and MEI looks great on a resume.

>>1844023
>>1844022
>>1844144
>You'll need to spend some of that on a bachelors degree.
Don't go for your bachelors before you start flight training. It's a total waste of time and just crushes your seniority. Every year you aren't at your mainline of choice is $500k+ down the drain late in your career. Just do what alot of people do which is get to a regional as fast as possible and then go to an online college that converts your certs into credit hours. Get your degree done while you're flying the line at a regional. Having your ATP before you start school can save you years of college, and you'll already be stable at your career. 4 year degrees starting with nothing are a scam if pilot is your career path.

>>1844025
If your goal is airlines then there are no niche specialities that will make you tons more money, just get there faster than the other guys and you'll make more. If your goal is something else then self sponsoring an expensive type could push you forward alot faster, or even becoming dual rated fixed / rotor makes you really valuable to the medevac companies, but you'd still end up getting paid less than the 121 world in the long run.
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>>1844144
/gag/ is a way better acronym quit being so mad
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>>1844144
stopped reading when you said get a agi cert. That shit doesnt do anything if youre already a cfi
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>>1844179
>seniority
But anon I’m already 31
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>>1844412
Congrats you'll have 34 years of seniority, no chump change by any means. 36 if they raise it to 67 like they've been scheming to.
You'll be able to reach captain and max your payscale. You don't have anything to worry about.
The worst thing you can do for yourself is keep delaying it.
You can get everything done in 2 years and be in a regional. If you play your cards right you can get to a legacy 1-3 years more. You just have to hit the books and make aviation your full time commitment. Every day.
You're still very young in aviation standards.
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>>1844412
I had instructors that were a bit older than that still on the grind. I'm happy I'm only 25 as a CFI/CFII. If covid didn't "happen" I'd be at a regional by now.
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>>1844420
Did you not get hours during covid?
My school was fully operational and we didn't see too much change in students. Alot of my coworkers got delayed class dates then cancelled altogether but were picked right back up at the end of 2021 / early this year. Hiring is really strong right now.
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>>1844427
Got fucked on a job till early/mid 2021. And even then slow with students. But this semester I'm gonna have a lot of students so I can hopefully have a class next summer some time. I almost have 600 hours but still need a lot of cross and night time. Some multi as well.
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>>1844418
Is 31 young enough to fly a 747?
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>>1844428
>But this semester I'm gonna have a lot of students so I can hopefully have a class next summer some time
When i first started teaching I was really unoptimized. You can get alot more hours if you get the butts in the seats as fast as possible. Tell your students to show up 15-20 minutes early and just get everything done. Once they're proficient at pre-flight with the checklist start using it as an actual checklist, I.E. show them a faster flow to get it done and just check their work with the list. Get the oil pumping as soon as you can and get the plane back as late as you can without being late.
If you can even get .2 or .3 more than you normally would over a week that's 3-5 hours extra assuming just 3 flights a day in a 5 day work week.

>I almost have 600 hours but still need a lot of cross and night time. Some multi as well.
XC is really hard to build as a CFI. My CFI told me I had to do all the XC PIC building for instrument with him, and I trusted him. Unless you're interested in making that kind of lasting memory on these students that will undoubtedly remember you for the rest of their lives, do what I did and find a side gig for the XC.
I ferry flew, did some contract aerial survey, etc. When I had 850 hours I already had the XC time met. Keep an eye on your progress with it cause you don't want to be the guy with 1500 hours but missing alot of night or XC.
For multi, most of us had to just bite the bullet and rent 25 hours. Some people get lucky and find good connections but unless you know someone just get the minimum, airlines will hire you.

>>1844431
Yes.
Atlas air operates alot of 747's. They will hire you with less than a year of 121 experience. I have no idea of their work environment or pay, but once you have the type in hand and a few years experience under your belt you can always move to a cargo operator like UPS long term. If you show up with a 747 type rating they'll just stick you right seat.
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>>1844439
What the FUCK. Can I listen to Saxon in the cockpit?
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>>1844179
Thank you for expanding on my points. I disagree with you on college after a regional job, but I can under your reasoning. I went to a big name aviation school, and name dropping my school does things. I’ve got a group of dudes and we all network each other into better spots. There’s more complexity to this issue, but the simple matter is, unless you are already a pilot for a career airline, you NEED a bachelors to get there with few exceptions.

>>1844172
>>1844396
Ground Instructor is resume fodder for cheap, qualifies you for a Gold Seal CFI (which REALLY FUCKING DOES SHIT FOR YOU) and can let you teach (make money) prior to even holding a private cert, less a solo. My CGI in part has personally gotten me a very lucrative internship at a major airline to get my foot in the door for when I’m qualified to interview as a pilot. If you’re not resume maxxing you’re just like every other swinging dick out there. Set yourself apart from and above the average bear.

>>1844280
kys my friend
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>>1844454
holy shit you sound like a fag I hope I never have to sit in the cockpit with you
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*is the future of regional flights*
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>>1844454
This reeks of UND guy and I hope you hate every second you spend at a regional.
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>>1844456
Cope, seethe, sneed and feed

>>1844614
Never flown for the regionals, never will. Yet somehow i fly a heavy jet. Curious, I know. Maybe you should have a better pedigree, it may open doors for you.
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>>1844628
>Maybe you should have a better pedigree
Your 100 flight sim hours are not a pedigree.
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>>1844589
I've heard rumors that JSX is going to go the ATR route.
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poopy poop
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>>1844454
>name dropping my school does things
>internship at a major airline to get my foot in the door for when I’m qualified to interview as a pilot
lmao
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>>1844628
This exact moment I am in training for a heavy jet at a career destination, yet I don't have my head as far up my ass as you. Get bent you self righteous fucking sperg.
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>>1844589
why would companies like skywest want to switch to these if they already have a fleet of CRJ-200s?
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>>1844729
And American Eagle phased them out over a decade ago.
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>>1844703
how long did it take you to get there? did you just go the normal route? (i.e. training, timebuilding then regional)
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>first flight lesson starts in 2 hours
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>>1844878
don't break a leg!
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>>1844703
Congrats on your decision to call atlas home for the rest of your life, I hope you know there are better jobs out there and flying a 767 isnt impressive anymore. The only heavy in your life is your reflection, post physique.
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I’m going to get my CPL through the military, I’m training in a beechjet 400 right now. After I finish, I want to take my family up for a flight in a GA plane. It’s been years since I’ve flown in a small Cessna, how do I go about learning to fly one (preferably without too many instructional hours)? What is the vetting process for an FBO to let me rent their plane?
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>>1844774
Im a lucky dude so I timebuild between high school and the completion of a job aviation undergrad. After that I went the aerial survey way (twins mostly) and did that for a couple years. I’d have instructed had I not been poached from my CFI short course to go fly survey for more money instead. After a couple years of survey I went to a regional where I was for about 3 years before I was lucky enough to get snagged by cargo carrier of choice with a lot less total time or TPIC than I’d have expected. Be nice to everyone you meet and help friends along the way, it will pay off for you anon.

>>1845101
You on the other hand. Not Atlas, not a 767, I’m in the gym before every training day. Keep projecting while you really paint such a gracious archetype of 141 graduates though.
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>>1845287
Non aviation undergrad my b that read a little confusing.
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>>1845264
I would recommend identifying the specific plane you want to rent, then researching it (v speeds and shit). I've done a few BFRs and rental checkouts for people that are unfamiliar with Skyhawks, and the general pattern I see is that they're unfamiliar with some of the characteristics seemingly unique to Skyhawks ( generally that they tend to be pretty floaty on landing, and hard to steer on the ground due to the fucktarded way the nose wheel steering is set up)
Generally speaking a rental checkout is up to the instructor that does it, but they usually focus on safety shit like stall recoveries, go arounds, landings and emergency procedures. At Least, that's what I do, I don't give af if you can do a steep turn or a lazy eight. Basically just fly the plane like you have any idea what you're doing and you'll bee fine
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>>1845287
ah so CFI is still the best track to get to 1500 within like two years after all (i am in FL)
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>>1844878
Welp that was disappointing. All you do is set the correct course and sit doing small corrections to maintain a bunch of numbers on a displays. Making turns takes forever and the price tag on a flight hour is horrendous. It's more exciting to ride a bike desu. I don't think I will pursue it further.
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>>1845683
Holy cope, sounds like you flew with a dog shit cfi though
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>>1845685
Not really, the guy let me do some circles and we did 2 touch and goes on international airport. We landed long after sunset, so I assume he wanted to get some night hours.
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>>1845683
lol IFR in GA is bullshit
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How do I learn ADF interceptions and holdings and shit?

I can do them but it takes a lot of thinking and a lot of time, mostly because I just kinda figure it out without having a well-defined thought process..
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>>1845683
>Making turns takes forever
Damn that fag didn't even do a steep turn with you?
>>1845937
I never had to do that for instrument training. Just passed my CFII and just glossed over that. Guess the planes I flew didn't have an ADF but still seems pretty useless. Unless you're somewhere NDBs common I guess.
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>>1845937
If you have RMI indicator you can sub a VOR for NDB for practice/training purposes. On a G5 HSI head or G1000 display you can activate a RMI function for whichever Nav radio is plugged into the display. I’m sure other Garmin products do too, I’ve just never seen them.

A RMI will never demonstrate how unreliable NDB signals are, or how you have to continually monitor their morse code signal, shoreline issues, electrical storm issues, etc. but it builds a basis of interpretation of the instrumentation.
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https://youtu.be/--nneKVaNC4
FUG
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>>1846435
I wouldn't even be mad at ATCO, it's not everyday you get to see an airliner in flight this close
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>>1845683
The honest to god blackpill of aviation. The FAA has cucked it so hard you can't have any fun. Only maybe aerobatics is fun, but the gatekeeping is so severe it's not worth the cost. Just get a motorcycle and do track days, still not cheap, but at least you aren't told to slow down and not turn so fast.
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>>1846446
>implying VFR bush flying doesn't exist
You are really going to do this?
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>>1846446
>at least you aren't told to slow down and not turn so fast
I can turn as fast as my shitbox 172 can and the slowest speed limit is 200 knots.
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>>1846446
>but at least you aren't told to slow down and not turn so fast.
When does this ever happen unless you're deep in class C or B airspace or within a few NM of an airport with a control tower. Just look at this sectional chart of DFW. You can do whatever you want outside the bravo and no one can tell you jack shit. Every day dozens of training planes flood the outskirts of DFW airspace and do tons of high and low speed maneuvers, steep turns, spins, etc.
This sounds like someone with absolutely zero aviation experience giving their take based on absolutely nothing.
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>>1846535
Bullshit, some youtuber just lost his license for "flying too low" when some neighbor of his friend called the FAA on him. Trust me, you try to do some cool maneuvers and have a Karen see you and see what fucking happens.
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>>1846541
>Bullshit, a youtuber buzzed some dudes house and the FAA got involved after a complaint, trust me bro, the FAA is out to get you and if you try to have fun ever you will get your license instantly revoked.
Go talk to real GA pilots, not circlejerk with youtube videos. Go to an airport FBO and actually have a chat with these people, they're nice and would love to see new people get involved. Your attitude of "I might as well not try because I've seen a youtube video that confirms my beliefs" is just projecting your anger that you either think you will fail if you try to get your license, or you simply can't because you don't have the money.
If you buzz someones house and they don't like it, they will complain, but if you stay 500ft above the ground you can do whatever you want, and believe me, that's uncomfortably low for GA aircraft not taking off or landing.
Figure out within yourself why you ACTUALLY don't want to get into aviation instead of seething about the FAA. They have alot of reasons to hate them but "stopping all fun in the middle of nowhere" isn't one.
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>>1846541
That fag was probably 200ft off the ground in a densely populated area where he would crash into a house during an engine failure. I get really low over farm fields with students and never had a problem.
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>>1846446
i just want to sit in a big comfy air conditioned jet airliner at 38000 feet with a coffee and a six figure salary. idc about aerobatics
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>>1844020
As fuckin usual it’s mostly airline talk. Why not just make it an airline general, it usually ends up with unhappy CFIs scheming their exit to the airlines anyways.
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Based department, taking off
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Plane
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>>1846546
It's not just one, tons have gotten into trouble over absolutely trivial shit. And yes, it is expensive as fuck and the fun/dollar ratio is trash. For the same money as flying in circles around an airport you could do track days in a car or motorcycle, go on a sweet vacation somewhere, etc. I'm glad your daddy's trust fund bought you a plane, but some of us work for a living and the value isn't there just to be watched like a hawk and set your wallet on fire.

As for "too scared you will fail", eat a bag of shit, I'll smoke your ass in any test of skill you can name, soi faggot.
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>>1846546
>>1846758
And for the record, he didn't "buzz someone's house", he was trying to land on his friend's property and had to do a go around, but some Karen reported him and the FAA sided with the Karen based on a short, shitty, distorted video. The FAA doesn't want GA to exist, they want the sky for commercial aircraft and the rich to fly their private jets. The only reason Cessnas are allowed to exist is because they are needed for flight training, if simulators ever got approved for flight training, I bet they'd find a reason to ban anything smaller than a HondaJet excluding maybe Piper Cubs for remote bush plane duty.
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>>1846763
Got a link to that faggot who lost his cert? My school has gotten numerous complaints from a person in one of our practice areas but the FAA never brought the hammer down on us. Probably because we weren't being too retarded.
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Skyking 2
https://twitter.com/CityKing_Gank_/status/1566027897357352962
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n342er/#2d530a2d
Seems he crashed in the hills though
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>>1847064
No wait, seems he crashed safely
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>>1847067
he forgot to nose down and call it a night
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>>1847064
>threatened to kamikaze a fucking walmart
you literally cannot make this shit up ahahha
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>>1846618
Based Leader, standing by
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>>1846683
ATR or a Q?
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Very experienced examiner in my area died in a crash yesterday. Along with him was the cfo of a grocery chain. From the photos it looks like they hit the ground pretty flat and pretty hard. Possible spin maybe?

Gonna be hell of a conversation for any of the students at my school if they had a checkride date with him. “yeah your checkride is cancelled he died in a plane crash”
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>>1847826
Easiest way too tell them apart is the landing gear.
Q's have the landing gear behind the engine, ATR's put it under the fuselage.
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>>1847888
GA planes are just flying coffins. people shit on the dc-10's early stage but fucking hell
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>>1847888
Haven't seen anything about the crash but I'm gonna guess they had an engine failure then Vmc'd into a spin.
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>>1846541
>some youtuber just lost his license for "flying too low" when some neighbor of his friend called the FAA on him.
He probably did it several times
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>>1846763
>The FAA doesn't want GA to exist
where did the FAA man touch you?
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>can breeze through flight training, actually passionate about it, can set my mind to it
>but because my end goal is the airlines i have to sit in college for no reason
>now i have a financial aid hold for some reason
>if college fucks me over i won't be able to get into a major airline without a degree
is this really the rich kids' profession?
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>>1848517
Lmao have you even gotten a single hour of dual received?
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>>1848517
>can breeze through flight training, actually passionate about it, can set my mind to it
>but because my end goal is the airlines i have to sit in college for no reason
>if college fucks me over i won't be able to get into a major airline without a degree
No airline cares about a college degree, it's just a resume booster in the aviation job market right now. You've already committed to the student debt, but what I did was wait until I got to a regional, get an ATP for free, and then go to liberty or any other online university that will convert your certs into credit hours to basically "be done" with 2 years of college right out of the gate.
Regionals especially no one gives a fuck about your degree, and you're going to fly the line for a while anyways before you apply to the majors. If you REALLY want a degree (you don't need one) then just get the diploma in the hotel room while you're on the companies dime all online.
If you're able to, drop out and just start working on your certs. Get a real flying job, and start getting paid and building seniority rather than sitting in school doing nothing to further your career for 4 years.
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>be engineering graduate hired to avionics company
>always wanted to learn how to fly a plane
Any advice on how to start? Do you just sign up for flight school or is there something else first?
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>>1848517
suck it, fag
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>>1848706
check to see if theres any flight schools at little airports around you and call them up to schedule a discovery flight. you'll go up with an instructor and get to play with the controls and ask any questions you want, they'll be able to give a good overview of the process and how they do it
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>>1847888
Looks like high vertical speed crash, tail bent and partially separated to one side, and the right prop appears to be feathered. I’d wager Vmc roll/spin
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>>1844280
What if it was Friendly Aviation General?
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good morning i hate boeing
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>>1848755
what about Flight/Aviation General?
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HE DIDN'T FLY SO GOOD
plane slid off the runway at San Diego North Island NAS
rainy weather
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5JuKS__CXQ
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>>1848706
learn how to fly in a flight sim first and save a shitton of money
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>>1848976
good morning to everyone except dinesh keskar
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Me being the autistic sperg that I am, I feel so fucking uncomfortable around the flight attendants. They always come up and talk to me and try to be fun and make jokes. But I don’t ever know how to response because I’m an autistic sperg. The worst is when the captain is an older guy, because then I get all the attention cause I’m usually the same age as the FAs. I actually wish for gay male crews because then it’s easier to talk to them because I don’t feel the pressure about being around females
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Got my rotorcraft PPL yesterday.
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>>1849082
freckly ass migga
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>>1846446
You again? Fuck off
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>>1849082
Congrats!!!
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how realistic is it to be home (mostly) every night and fly for regionals? Was looking into flying for Republic out of LGA.

Should I even proceed with this career if time at home (for kids) is a big factor?
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>>1849072
Have sex incel
Or fly cargo jets
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>>1849082
Based submariner
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>>1849192
>have sex incel
Haha oh that’s funny. Good one. Let me get right on that. It must be so easy and simple to just “have sex”
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>>1849201

Yeah I figured if I'm gonna work on the most dangerous type of naval craft, I might as well learn to fly the most dangerous type of aircraft. Safety is overrated.
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>>1849163
Not possible. You will be away from home 1-3 nights a week
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>>1849021
I had a Skyhawk at my airport run off the runway just yesterday while I was working on landings with a student lmao
Didn't take any pictures though so you'll have to take my word for it
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>>1849219
>It must be so easy and simple to just “have sex”
Install Tinder and that's it (don't forget to wear condoms to avoid getting STDs) .
And, if you're not successful with the opposite sex, just fly cargo jets.
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>>1849306
>tinder
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>>1849319
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>>1849322
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>>1849319
>>1849322
>>1849338
>saving these pics to his disk
risperidone, gym and if all that fails, play in traffic
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>>1849072
if they talk to you talk to them, its a nothing burger what's the worst that could happen ?
>ha ha, yea
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>>1849072
Imagine really hard that the actually female flight attendants are femboys and treat them like the gay guys.
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>>1849359
>>1849361
I don’t know how to respond to their playfulness. I want to be left alone
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>>1849378
just act
literally act
like you're in a movie
it's piss easy
people won't notice
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>>1849163
if you want more home time ironically the majors are better. allegiant has a pretty good system from what i heard, airlines like southwest can do 3on-4off and 4on-3off + bidding for different schedule etc.
but a low seniority first officer at a regional airline is probably the worst scheduling for an airline pilot
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>>1849082
congrats anon
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>>1849462
I imagine I'd rather fly day trips and have less days off per month, just to show face at home more often. But then again, I've never had a schedule like 4on 3off... I usually get fucked at my current job non-flying job, 12 hour days w/ commute, 5-6 days per week with rotating days off. I've been doing it for years and I'm burned out.
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>>1849483
If you fly day trips its exactly like an office job but you get to deal with airport security. Southwest senior schedules are a real dream for guys like you, 3 on 4 off (home the morning you start, two overnights, home the day you finish). The key long term is not having more working days than off days in a given month, that's where I see most guys enjoying the best "quality of life," which is ultimately something you'll come to define for yourself.
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How useful is something like pic-rel for the beginner pilot?
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>>1849881
good for learning the basics of flight, just don't take it too seriously.
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>>1849881
I just picked one up last week and it’s fucking awesome. Can’t vouch for how it compares to the real deal but it’s made simming 1000x more enjoyable.
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>>1849881
>>1849924
It's cool to practice with, but nothing compares to the real thing. Once I started flying I couldn't enjoy the sim stuff anymore.
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>>1849899
>>1849924
>>1849935
Thats what I was thinking, I got a flight lesson as a gift and debating going all the way PPL, I could use sim to practice on the ground
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>>1849881
Not bad but the feeling is different. And you may pick up bad habits and not even know it until you get in a real airplane. Also try to look outside the cockpit as much as possible and don't stare at the gauges/screens.
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>>1849881
>>1849899
>>1849924
>>1849935
>>1849945
>>1849946
would it help for IFR training more than VFR training? especially with modern sims being more realistic than ever
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>>1849999
Chekk’d
Id like to use it to practice radio and comms on try hard servers
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>>1849999
IFR definitely, its all a head game that rating anyway. Maneuvers for your PPL have to be done in a plane though, there's no substitute.
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>>1849999
Simulators are much more useful for IFR procedures training then VFR PPL work to the point that I would recommend not even touching it before you start training
You're just going to teach yourself bad habits.
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turning 34 in a few months. took a leave from my long time job to finish up my CPL and CFI. Thinking of not going back to old job, but not too sure if airline schedules are for me (family/kids). What are my other options? Are there charter companies in NYC area that have tits schedules?
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>>1849999
Ya for IFR it's pretty helpful since that's mostly flying around staring at the gauges and not looking outside. Which sims do very well. But like the other guys said I wouldn't worry about it till you actually start IFR training so you don't pick up any bad habits. But for your private pilot the feel a look is absolutely necessary so don't rely on the sim for that.
>>1849999
>>1850000
Double check'd
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>>1846013
Yeah, i am a fairly versed instructor and never had to do an NDB approach ever. I know they're out ther and a former student of mine wanted to shoot some while I gave him his high perf. Mainly old dog CFIs that'll be able to teach that (Although careful reading and following an approach chart will do you fine). VORs are just as reliable and do more so its only a matter of time before we go VOR+GPS only in the USA.
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>>1846535
Actually this. the USA is the only country in the world where you can be a pilot (in a practical sense). Every onther country, even those with decent GA communities are slowly taking away the ease of flying,
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>>1847797
Based-1 Formin up!
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>Inherit new student from former CFI
>Hit off on a good note, dude seems nice and he'f fun to chat with
>Start talking about how we will continue his training, and the process I'm gonna use.
>He's like "Don't worry man, I was gonna start studying after I'm like halfway through training. I'm mechanically inclined so..."
The dude is affiliating his boat experience with flying.
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>>1850211
exactly how many countries did you fly into? sounds like 0 or 1 tops
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>>1849192
>>1849072

Get your sweatpants and get in here
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>>1849219

Tell them you are a pilot. My pfp was me flying when I used apps and they worked for me.

That said I am 6ft and good looking.
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>>1849881

Just don't. It will make you into a dial-staring fag. Flying is visceral. Just spend the money on hours.
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When the aircraft launches were on I whispered to her " that's what it's like at the gliding club".
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>>1850226
>I am 6ft tall>>1849319
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>>1850281
>>1850237
cringe
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>>1850237
>shitbox Cessna towing you is the same as the catapult
Yeah and me slamming on the brakes on a short field at the numbers is like a cable arrestor landing. redditfags coping as usual
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>>1850539
>doesn't even know the difference between aerotow and winch
That's a yikes from me famalam

Memes aside, winch launch is kinda intense, if you never tried it, you wouldn't know. Acceleration is obviously not as high as on the Boat catapult but Gs are higher and climb angle is steeper so it's quite a ride, especially first few times.
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>>1850237
Jesus Christ
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I see redditors talk about learning bad habits from a flight sim all the time, but what bad habits specifically can they teach you? Aside from being a dial jockey of course
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>>1850940
Being a faggot
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>>1850940
Excessive reliance on instrumentation, sight picture assumption, and expectation bias when it comes to situations to name a few. You get used to practicing a procedure in the sim but the sim fails to accurately represent the maneuver in the aircraft. All of that changes when you get in the plane.

It is a kinesthetic and dynamic experience, and while procedural development and reinforcement is great in the sim, there is just a lot more going on that is eliminated or simplified in a sim. Fast, abnormal, or unfamiliar radio calls and ATC instructions, atmospheric factors, aircraft subtleties (system management, performance variations, control input/technique variations, abnormalities), human factors (pilot condition, response time, workload and task management, kinesthetic learning and skill development, psychological and physiological response to stimuli), and other stuff just aren’t accurately modeled or cannot be simulated in any practical sense.

If you have the spare change and time go for it and get a sim, I had a ball when I did it long ago. Sims are a lot better too, and are a lot more immersive. But do take it for what it’s worth, procedural introduction and entertainment.
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Help me /n/, I don't know where else to ask
About half a year or so ago I saw a video of a dude flying a super small plane around a patch of rocky desert that looked like California (but honestly could have been anywhere else) while vloging and talking about his plane. I think he was also talking about emergency landings, but I'm not sure.
What made me remember it is that at one point he flew up to a hill and landed the plane almost on the spot before taking off and I think later on her landed it in his back yard and said hi to his wife or something.
No idea how to find it again, so maybe someone on here knows who I'm talking about?
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>>1851151
trent palmer?
https://youtu.be/mcjHydDvgkU
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>>1851301
Yes! Thanks a lot anon. Still got to track down the specific video, but pretty sure he's the guy.
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>>1844024
How? Where?
>>1844020
Read an article about some flip in manilla that got to drive seaplanes right out of school there, thats exactly what i want to do. Idk if its actually cheaper or they teach in english but just a thought.
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>>1851322
no problem, but somebody's gotta tell that dude that it's possible to talk without hand movements
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First flight lesson tomorrow! Wish me luck, gonna face some fear
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Failed an IFR stage check at a 141 school. CFI put it in my logbook as the lesson # and nothing else (no fail/unsat, incomplete), and told me its incomplete until I pass it. Is this something airlines look at? What do I say if they ask me about it?
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Guys I’m in the process of finishing up for my commercial SEL, I’ve got about 9 hours into all the maneuvers and it’s looking good! But what do I do about my nerves regarding the oral portion? I’m terrible at studying and I am quite nervous about not knowing answers and not knowing where to find them as well. What have you other anons done about the nerves? Any advice
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>>1851513
I don’t know the school, but I’m sure your training record will indicate a failure separate from your logbook entry. The purpose of disclosing it at an airline is to demonstrate accountability and your ability to learn from mistakes. Hiding a failure does you no good.
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>>1851473
Good luck, Anon!
I wanna start flight school too but struggling to figure out how I'm gonna finance it while having enough time to attend at the same time
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>>1851614

It isn't an option talked about much because I guess it can take longer than most routes, but you could become a A&P first and then trade wrench time for flight time. My instructor didn't pay for the first 2000 hours of his career because he just traded maintenance for flight time. Now he has over 12k hours in his books, is an engineer for Boeing, CFI on his free time, and works on 2-3 privately owned aircraft to keep his A&P IA currency. Has a Cherokee 6 he takes his family on vacations with. Not bad at all for a guy who never went to college and never took out loans to pay for school.
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passed my commerical ride done. I felt like I fucked up a few things, but the DPE was really happy somehow.

Got mixed up with traffic when getting flight following (aircraft had no ADS-B) and in close proximity to the delta I was trying to return. Finally got vectors from ATC and that resolved it. No idea why he was okay with that but the flight was safe. I felt way behind the situation. I think I should ask for vectors (and not wait for ATC) in complex traffic situations when I don't have ADS-B to give me a good map of the situation.
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>>1851713
ADS-B IN, that is, the a/c has ads-b out.
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>>1851714
Why do you need ADSB? Look outside the airplane. You don't need vectors to get into a delta unless ATC specifically tells you.
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>>1851713
I don’t follow; did you have trouble identifying an aircraft without ADS-B or did you not have ADS-B and couldn’t find someone? I mean, ATC is a resource, and if traffic separation services are provided it is prudent to ask for assistance if you feel you need it.
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>>1851727
>>1851729
Sorry, wasn't clear. There was a lot of traffic around and I lost situational awareness of where they were. The aircraft did not have ADS-B. They were at distances and directions where see and avoid wasn't easy and complicating the matter was our proximity to the Delta that we were trying to enter while all this traffic was moving around us. One of the bigger issues I think is I tried to maneuver for a right downwind which put me in the way of the departure end of the runway- just going in for a left downwind from the start would have avoided that issue and probably have made it all a hell of a lot cleaner. Eventually we got vectors into the delta around the traffic into the left downwind and that ended it.
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I'm a airlines cargo logistics coordinator. I ship really expensive shit. What are my career options anons? I don't want to be a pilot.
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>>1851614
It was awesome! Going do another next week
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>>1851744
You can be an airline cargo logistics coordinator
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>>1851676
I usually just trade money my job gives me for flight hours.
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>>1844144
I am a mech/flyer in the military now and really interested in becoming an airline dispatcher and then going to college for business/finance/accounting. would you say it would be a waste of time and money to get the certificate if i probably won't be using it because of college?
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>>1851992
Not knowing the intricacies of the GI bill I couldn't say for sure, but you'll likely be able to get one of those two certs/degrees with it. The biz degree will have a higher return on investment in most cases, so long as you leverage it into a meaningful career. I might suggest some fb groups like make them tell you no and RTAG nation to maybe get you a little bit more on track as the advice I can offer is very limited. Best of luck anon, make yourself proud.
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>>1851992
Have you considered doing ATC instead? Seems like 150k salary is more than possible with time and there’s a pension.
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>>1850539
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrUTjWEfbcI
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What should be my most important criteria when choosing a flight school for PPL? There are a bunch of different places I can go and it's driving me mad trying to choose between them
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>>1852150
were you jackin it?
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>>1852745

Not a good enough helo pilot to manage flying and jacking at the same time.
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>>1852762
Time to practice the art of auto-ejaculation
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>>1852722
cost
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Been considering what plane I might want when I get my PPL. Been looking at Mooneys, mostly the M20F, J, or K (even saw a Rocket for sale). I'd like to use it for IFR training. Anyone have experience in Mooneys?
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>>1852722

For me it was cost, then instructor compatibility. The first school I checked out, the instructor straight up said to me, "I'm just doing this to build time until I can do something else." He then trash talked the other school I was gonna check out.

Other school instructor is a super experienced extremely salty pilot who just trains people because he loves doing it. He also had nothing but good things to say about the school that was talking shit about him.

It isn't enough to decide based on google and phone calls. Actually go, interact with staff, and some students if you can. Only way to really evaluate places.
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>>1852722
>>1852841
Don't forget that the CFI works for you, in way. Don't like it, don't use them. Just try not to burn bridges and keep things professional. The GA community is a lot smaller than people think, and word gets around.
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>>1852745
>>1852775
Do you think it would be possible to use the stick shaker to jack you off?
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>>1852878
>hold it right on the buffet just before stall
Shouldn't be too hard except for the finish.
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How many of you listen to music while flying? Is this an irresponsible thing to do?

I know that there are headsets that automatically pause music when you get radio calls, but they are obscenely fucking expensive.
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>>1852775
underrated post
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>>1853113
>but they are obscenely fucking expensive.
Bose A20s are absolutely worth the money though. I really like mine. The ANR is ridiculously good. The only other serious competition is Lightspeed Zulus, which admittedly are cheaper.
I haven't had an opportunity yet to use them to listen to music, but I will this weekend when I do my XC solo.
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>>1852170
>>1852191
Honestly I was thinking of doing the dispatcher course out of pocket and then use the GI bill and maybe do dispatching on the side to strengthen my resume, not as an “end goal job” like ATC is. Does this make sense?
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>>1853113

I have a pair of DC ONE-Xs I've listened to music on a few times. They automatically cut the music on incoming radio transmissions and gradually ease the volume back up after the transmissions are over. I only really use the music feature when flying over large swaths of uncontrolled airspace. It's not really worth it when there's a lot going on, can make it hard to keep track of things.
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>>1853113
>>1853159
>>1853197
have the Zulu, it's pretty decent but I've had trouble with its mic, I can't really hear myself but ATC reads me 5/5
i play music on it in uncontrolled airspace where there aren't many transmissions and it cuts out whenever there is one
also can pick up phone calls on it so it's overall not too shabby
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>>1853188
Sort of makes sense. I'm on the flying side so I don't really know the average career trajectory of a dispatcher. But if its affordable I say why not? You may struggle to find a dispatching schedule that meshes well with college but the same could be said for just about any job and college.
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Question: do the autorotating blades of an autogyro require a free volume of air above or under the blades to work?
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>>1853369
wtf is a "free" volume
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>>1844020
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=John+Christian+Bickerstaff

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=Bickerstaff+

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=Richard+carrier

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=skull+N+bones
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>>1853113
Can you still handle the radios without missing shit messing up? If you can’t, you shouldn’t be listening to music.
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>>1853423
Personally, I have 8 hours of flight time and have only used the radios once, so I don't intend to fly while listening to Danger Zone any time soon. But I am in need of a headset and I'd like to get some more information before I buy.
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>>1853606

Buy once, cry once. The music feature is a small thing that shouldn't really influence your decision. I definitely recommend one of the "top 3" headsets (A20, ONE-X, Zulu). It will hurt your wallet, but will only hurt it once. All 3 are great headsets and have good warranty support. If you buy something cheap, you'll just be paying again in the future for an upgrade.
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>>1844020
are they ever going to lower the 1500 hour thing? or at least make flight training less of a rich kid only endeavor?
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>>1853606
Well you can get two types of headsets, active or passive noise reduction. Active requires power, and is great at mitigating fatigue. Many ANR headsets come with Bluetooth features to pair with music. Passive noise reduction headsets are significantly cheaper, and if you pay for a reputable brand they are bulletproof. I hadn’t changed or replaced anything on my David Clark headset in the 5 years I flew with them. If you do several flights a day you are going to want to invest in ANR, but otherwise you can get away with PNR just fine.
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>>1853705
In your dreams.

Also, for return on investment I think flying is one the best careers you could have.
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>>1853705
If they lower the hour requirement then 80% of all instructors just suddenly vanish
They'll never do it if not for that reason alone
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>>1853705
>>1853755
>>1853776
https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2022/09/19/faa-pilot-hours-republic-airways/
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>>1853800
the FAA is run by literally retarded boomers and military faggots who didn't even win any wars anyway (even though this country's entire gimmick for the past century has been going to war)
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>>1853705
How would getting rid of the 1500 hour rule help you? You still need to get all of your ratings and put in the time and money for that. If you could fly a 737 at 250 hours you still wouldn’t be eligible. Really the 1500 rule is just a buffer and means you have to instruct for a year or find some other bs.
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>>1853882
People were flying commercial jets with 250 hours less than 20 years ago….

Getting rid of the 1500 hour rule would mean I don’t have to fuck around in a Cessna 152 for 2 years building time, what ratings are you talking about?
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Why don't they just do it like Europe and let you get a job as a FO and build up the full ATPL hours from there? It's hard to see how 1000+ hours of instructing PPL students is really all that helpful
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>>1851513
I have 3 checkride failures and I’m at a regional right now
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>>1854105
It’s because of something that starts with the letter J
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>>1854210
God damn Jehovah's witnesses
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How can I get into flying, and what can I realistically achieve? I'm 35 and have money to spend on whatever, but no experience or anything.
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>>1854293
>and what can I realistically achieve?
first ask yourself what do you want to achieve, then ask us how
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>>1854296
When I was a kid I wanted to be a Blue Angels pilot... but that couldn't happen (eyesight & medical reasons). Idk, I guess I just want to fly around. I have a small quadcopter with FPV goggles, which is fun. But, I'm not very good at soldering so it's always falling apart mid-flight
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>>1854297

I'm 32 with fucked eyes and just got my helicopter PPL. Helos are more expensive but IMO way better for "just flying around." Off airport landings are so fucking awesome and just being able to stop mid-air to take in scenery is incredible.
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>>1854324
Helos do sound like a lot of fun to fly, but I'd want to become one of those pilots who herds cattle in Australia by helicopter... and that's not realistic. There's also lots of mountains and other big scenery where I am that'd be fine from a small plane.
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>>1854402
Why is that not realistic? Not drunk enough?
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>>1854414
I'm too old to learn to do something like that. Those kinds of fast-twitch abilities peak in mid-20s, so if you haven't been training up-to and through that age, you just biologically could never perform at the necessary level.
I think the general point I was trying to make is that helicopters do sound fun, but only situationally... like herding cattle, or search & rescue, or flying a gunship... For generally cruising around in the air, a fixed wing sounds comfier
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>>1854105
They do that in IACO land and retards dive bomb perfectly good planes into the ground/ocean every other Tuesday.
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>>1852837
My dad owns a repair shop and has fixed and flown probably every type of GA production aircraft smaller then a caravan or Pac 750XL. I asked him the same question a while back and he said what you want is a Cessna 350, and if you can’t afford a 350 then you don’t want the extra insurance and labor cost of retractable gear. Especially with the dwindling amount of people competent to work on them.
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>>1854419

The answer is gyrocopters. Cheap, extremely fun to fly, more forgiving than helicopters, and better suited for cruising flight. They're kinda like the perfect mix between helicopters and fixed wings.
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Trying to finish my Instrument and CPL this year. Having a rough time with Instrument, putting me in a negative mindset and making me question if I can really do this. What did you guys do when you hit a snag in training?

Also, any good flying jobs out of KFRG or KISP in long island NY?
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First time flying in the A320 this week, two rides. I've only done Boeing. Will I be ok bros?
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>>1854800
Learning how to refuel the A320 right now. Maybe I'll see you if you stop for fuel :)
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>>1854432
surprisingly good answer
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>>1854727
You should probably focus on getting your certs and ratings before soliciting for a job.
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>>1854727

Any time I feel my confidence dropping when working toward a goal, I force myself to think about all the absolute idiots who did it before me. I'm sure there's been at least one moment in your life you met a pilot who seemed like a tard. Maybe there's an incompetent instructor at your school. If they can do it, so can you.
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>>1854834
I just want to know options before trying for my 1500. I want to fly, I just don’t know if there’s something for me professionally
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>>1854800
You’ll be fine but bored since it’ll do everything for you from a Boeing perspective
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>radial engines touted as bulletproof by boomers and combatsimsoys
>they implode themselves if you leave the prop up and throttle down too much
lol
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>>1853113
All the time. ADF is basically set to the one radio station all the time.
I'm in Canada tho where ninety percent of airspace is class G, and we probably have the traffic of like Ohio, or Montana or something. Can legitimately get by no problem with a single radio
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Do Americans really say "meow" on guard? In Europe you never hear it, they really slap you for that shit. Sad.
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Is there a way I can find out who owns a helipad? I found one while browsing around in Google Maps. I can't find it in the FAA Airport Data and Information Portal... but I also could just be searching incorrectly, or the location could be off on their maps. It's next to a building that's painted black and has no signage at all. I think it might be a CIA black site or something.
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>>1855862

I know you're "supposed" to register helipads with the FAA if they meet certain criteria, but many people do not. If it's near a commercial area, you might want to check and see who owns the property there. If it's residential, that information is gonna be harder to find. You could always just land there and ask whoever comes out to greet you.
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>>1855868
Yes it's in a commercial / warehouse-district area. It's just one section of a larger building complex that has other businesses in it... so I don't think it's directly owned by the tenant. It's just that this particular section has a helipad attached in the back, a bunch of NO PARKING signs, one of those overhead garage doors, black painted walls, and a random blue painted front door. There's also a windsock attached to this part of the building, so I know the helipad is for this tenant. I pulled up the historical aerial photography, and the helipad was added sometime between 1990 and 2002. None of the photos have any helicopters on the pad... but in August 2011 there were some weird white vans in the back. Looks like the building was painted in 2018...
I'd go land there myself... but I don't have a helicopter. I'd go drive by, but it's kind of a one-way street, so I'd have to go out and then back, which might attract attention. I don't want to get kidnapped by the CIA.
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>>1844020
PPL Checkride in 10 days, feel confident in the maneuvers, navigation, and flying portion.

But feel inadequate on oral materials.
Anything else to study besides the Oral study guide?
Any other advice and tips are apprecited
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>>1856178
Read the phak again and review weak areas on the acs
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Cfi here who knows he's gonna be a first round draft pick for every airline out there.
Which one is the most based and will be the least likely to fire me when I inevitably say something in the cockpit that is worth firing me over?
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>>1855856
Eh, we do way worse. I did a Bill Clinton impersonation on there about two months ago.
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>>1856216
Vocaroo?
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>>1856216
Based I should listen to it more often.
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>>1851513
A stage check, part 61 or part 141 is not a checkride, even if the completion of said stage check will grant a certificate or rating. Some companies (FedEx for example) will ask about failed stage checks, while others (Southwest for example) specifically tell you they don’t care about stage check outcomes.
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>>1856216
Don't they use the VDF triangulation to see who did it and then come after you?

I heard the FAA can be quite petty.
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>>1856232
Not today, FAA.
>>1856443
I don't say anything every flight, but if anybody else is doing a succinct goof off, I usually have a tiny quip to add back. Heard a guy a few months back meow and some other fag come on and say "grow up" and I whispered "No" and another AirAnon chimed in and said "You can't make me" . It can be entertaining at times, desu.
>>1856617
No idea, but I'm not going to push it and say nigger or anything like that.
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>>1856663
Where were you flying when you had that interaction? I remember something similar to that on guard like a month ago.
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>>1856669
Southwest
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>>1856711
Near ABQ?
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>>1856714
About 180+ miles North on I-25
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>>1856720
Could've been you then. But in all honestly I have no familiarity with the effective range of our radios, so maybe not.
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It's official, I'm taking my first flight on Sunday.

Is the CFI track in fact the best option to get hours quick? I've heard aerial photography, banner towing, aerial surveying, and pipeline patrol are common alternatives.
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>>1856911
>It's official, I'm taking my first flight on Sunday.
Hey nice have fun.

>Is the CFI track in fact the best option to get hours quick? I've heard aerial photography, banner towing, aerial surveying, and pipeline patrol are common alternatives.

Slow the fuck down. Maybe solo before you think about aerial surveying?



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