[a / b / c / d / e / f / g / gif / h / hr / k / m / o / p / r / s / t / u / v / vg / vm / vmg / vr / vrpg / vst / w / wg] [i / ic] [r9k / s4s / vip / qa] [cm / hm / lgbt / y] [3 / aco / adv / an / bant / biz / cgl / ck / co / diy / fa / fit / gd / hc / his / int / jp / lit / mlp / mu / n / news / out / po / pol / pw / qst / sci / soc / sp / tg / toy / trv / tv / vp / vt / wsg / wsr / x / xs] [Settings] [Search] [Mobile] [Home]
Board
Settings Mobile Home
/n/ - Transportation

Name
Options
Comment
Verification
4chan Pass users can bypass this verification. [Learn More] [Login]
File
  • Please read the Rules and FAQ before posting.
  • There are 129 posters in this thread.

08/21/20New boards added: /vrpg/, /vmg/, /vst/ and /vm/
05/04/17New trial board added: /bant/ - International/Random
10/04/16New board for 4chan Pass users: /vip/ - Very Important Posts
[Hide] [Show All]


Happy 19th Birthday 4chan!




File: runnin wild.jpg (2.53 MB, 3014x3014)
2.53 MB
2.53 MB JPG
Northern Lights edition
Sticky: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lxDKFTLO4x771l06T9y331XYhlc6TqYj-hfhl91iXXU/edit
(Needs updating and greenhorns dont read it anyway)
Previous thread: nobody cares

Maritime jobs: so hot right now. Pay raise? Better schedule? endorsement upgrades? NGMI if you arent getting it now.

Captcha: Deckies lmao
>>
Americans only: The merchant marine is desperate for new blood. There are 6 state and one federal academy (college) that will give you an officer's license and assured six figure income upon graduation.

If college isnt for you, you can get an entry level job with zero experience via SIU or take a 6 month AB or QMED class. Wages are good. Food is good. Work sucks, schedule sucks, but in a few years you can begum officer and six figures is yours.

Fortune(debt) and glory(boredom) awaits you in the Merchant Marine!
>>
File: MFOW.jpg (302 KB, 1110x2048)
302 KB
302 KB JPG
>>1830802
>>
File: 1657861683319.png (146 KB, 228x259)
146 KB
146 KB PNG
So I just applied to be a signalman in a container terminal as a summer job. What am I in for?
>>
So does the MSD system on cruise ships break down 20 times a day or what? Always wondered
>>
>>1830802
Hi anon and all other maritime workers. I'm in my late 20's and always considered the MM prior to HS graduation but decided to get a finance degree. After a few years in the industry I decided to leave and go for a maritime career.

Couple questions that I had since a career change can be a big commitment:
-Should I go with a state academy or SIU apprenticeship? I'm not afraid of hawsepiping via apprenticeship, but if it's something that takes many years to do, I'm more inclined for the academy route. I live out in MN so I'm not far from the Great Lakes academy, and the three year program is enticing. I have enough liquid cash saved from working to cover most of the cost but again it's a commitment.
-Benefits/drawbacks of deck vs engineering or any anecdotes of day to day work? I'm leaning more towards deck since I'm not the most scientifically inclined, but I like the idea of having those transferrable skills as an engineer. Are hearing issues developing later on a common thing for engineers?
-Does the work get physically demanding? I keep fit as I can so knowing whether a lot of movement is involved is a huge draw for me; I can't stand any more sedentary office jobs.
-How long are typical hitches? I've worked jobs in college with 12 hour schedules and did summer camp gigs in isolated areas, so I'm not unfamiliar with the 'away from home' vibe the MM career path has. No gf or kids so no commitment at home to worry about.
-Finally, are academies/unions going to accept Novavax? This was the jab I've waited for since I'm not taking the other ones. Additionally, how bad are the covid restrictions in the industry?

Thanks in advance anons.
>>
>>1831097
Realistically you should go to university, but if you don’t mind being a bitch and doing some totally monotonous work for a year and might wanna go back to land soon, hawsepipe. Deck is boring and sometimes stressful and a lot of people work, engineering can be boring too but is more technical and stimulating. Im biased though. If you got your degree you’re smart enough for the engineering. Day to day engineering is either watches which are boring or maintenance/ projects. The work itself isn’t too bad but if you don’t move up it can take it’s toll just from build up of working nonstop. Hearing issues arent that big of a deal from what I’ve seen unless you totally disregard it. 4 month hitches normally. Vaxxes are mostly mandatory in ocean going ships.
>>
>>1831097
I'm a licensed Chief Engineer (1600 ton unlimited hp). I hawsepiped my way up, starting as a cook on ocean tugs doing freight from the west coast to hawaii and alaska. I had a background in mechanical repair and quickly transitioned to engine room and went up the limited tonnage engineer officer path.

If you can afford to stop working and to go school, academy is the best way. You'll get a lot of endorsements that are very difficult to get while working and paying a mortgage because you need the money to support your life on land and cant take the time off or spend the money on classes.
On small vessels with small crews the engineer is often a "deckaneer" and despite being the second highest paid man on the boat you have to do a lot of heavy deck work with lines and cargo, and theres no way to advance out of it like 1st mate or captain who typically doesnt touch lines.
Hitches are variable due to the changing nature of the jobs. Get on a regular run and it can be 2 week on 1 week of. Do irregular stuff and it can be 2 months on 3 weeks off or random.
Deck work is very physical on work boats because there arent winches for mooring lines etc, but on big ships it isnt as bad, deck work is pretty easy but theres lots of chipping and painting as an unlicsenced crewman.
In the engine room typically things arent that demanding but then when somethin goes wrong you are on the spot and might ahve to move some heavy shit, and the engine room is hot as fuck and there isnt an engine control room like on big ships.
engineering skills are highly transferable and many go on to facilities management of hospitals or power plants.
Big ships/deep sea mandate full vaxx, tugboats etc do not for the most part.
>>
I can't remember how I found this but it's so fucking cozy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjoZfsXVhlI
>>
>>1831103
>>1831149
Thanks anons, appreciate the advice. Not super worried about a mortgage since I live with parents, given my old job was travel-intensive and didn’t make a mortgage/apartment a worthwhile expense.
It sounds like an academy is the way to go when it comes to being licensed as a mate/engineer, so I’ll look further into that. Do companies have preference one academy over the other, or do they all have pretty good hiring rates right out of school?
Thanks again for your input anons.
>>
>>1831242
The only academy that’s actually different from the rest is the federal merchant marine academy in Kings Point NY. It’s actually a rather unknown military service academy and entrance requirements are similar to the naval academy at Annapolis, and you’re required to commission as a USNR officer with the option of going active, your service is how you pay them back for the free school. Most of the other academies have an optional military style training program that’s more like an extracurricular activity iirc but you don’t automatically get commissioned, and the majority of people don’t participate.SUNY has always been run by retired military officers and is way overboard with that stuff. Texas AM Galveston doesn’t have it at all I believe. Anyway aside from the federal academy they’ll all graduate with a 4 year degree in marine transportation science (lol) and an officer’s license, usually for 3rd mate or 3rd engineer, both unlimited tonnage/horsepower. But due to the fact that large ships sailing American flagged are a tiny fraction of the global merchant fleet, many graduates choose to work limited tonnage ie tugboats or offshore service vessels. Maine academy has a program specifically for that line of work which provides much more relevant training compared with people who get the big license and then go small vessel, but it’s much harder to bootstrap yourself up to the big license from the small side.
Lmao lol option; marine biology degrees are available from the academy as well but there’s no money in it and I’ve known many people who then had to do extensive training after graduation to correct their mistake and get an officer’s license after going biologist.
>>
So the jones act is going away right? Meba has like 50 empty A book jobs not to mention every other union
>>
File: somefishygooks.jpg (71 KB, 1200x675)
71 KB
71 KB JPG
As an OOW Unlimited will working on a 200GT workboat get my license restricted? What about if you are assigned as chief / skipper (still with the II/1 license)? Perhaps retarded question but either Im dumb or the STCW code is purposely convoluted....
>>
>>1832065
STCW code is absolutely extremely convoluted. I’m convinced it was written in order to close off the hawsepipe from limited to unlimited tonnage mariners.
However as far as I know you won’t lose your OICNW/STCW III if you already have it, assuming you take the refresher courses required when renewing. Which again iirc only applies to STCW BST/firefighting/first aid/water survival. There is no refreshers for BRM,VSO,medical officer etc. The only “recency” requirements apply to sea time when renewing your domestic license and I don’t believe they’re punitive regarding stepping down in tonnage or waters but do your own research please, for your own sake.
>>
>>1831924
The federal MM academy interested me but alas I’m too old to apply since there’s an age cutoff to my understanding. I’m between jobs currently but assuming I can land something decent-paying soon, I’ll just save up and apply for the next academic year.

Do you know how anal the other academies are about prior academics? I got my degree with a 3.0 GPA after struggling with severe depression (which has since become far more manageable), so while I’m far more motivated now, I’m worried they’ll reject due to a retard gpa.
>>
Petra docked in San Diego
>>
>>1830802
Are there any boat jobs where I can work fewer than nine hours a day and return home every night?
Like some river or lake or ferry or pilot position.
>>
>>1832677
Washington ferrys are one week on one week off 12 hour days, not sure about call outs though
>>
>>1832759
I see. I wouldn't survive a 12 hour day, given I need 10 hours of sleep a day to be competent.
>>
>>1832960
You wouldn’t make it in the maritime industry so don’t waste your time.
The only thing that sails days and has you home every night is tourist boats like the SF bay Alcatraz tour, but that’s basically bus driver tour guide and if you aren’t using it to bank sea time and move on to something better, there’s no point. Pay is garbage on those boats in any city.

>>1832083
Ffs man it’s just like any other college. Not gonna hold your fucking hand anymore.


Why are they always such helpless retards bros?
>>
>>1832964
>bus driver tour guide
Sounds fun.
>>
>>1832083
If you struggle with depression you probably shouldn't isolate yourself on a ship with 20 other degenerates for four months on a floating steel prison for money.
>>
>>1833032
Why, i do it just fine
>>
>>1833032
This was a decade ago which I’ve turned around since becoming fit again and quitting drinking. The lifestyle of working for a few months and NEETing it up for a few more then repeat is appealing for me, especially since the labor market for typical wagie jobs is completely shit right now. That and not having a family or gf to worry about if I do decide to go for it.
>>
can i work in a usa flag vessel as a non american?
>>
File: mg nip.jpg (52 KB, 841x960)
52 KB
52 KB JPG
>>
>>1832645
Who do you work for in SD? I was just out there a few weeks ago
>>
>>1833274
Also tfw the tugboat company that I started out at just sold out to Bisso and I probably won’t be able to work part time there anymore

Pics are from the last job I worked with them.
>>
>>1833275
>>
>>1833276
>>
What's the career path look like if you do time in the navy first? Considering doing a navy contract and then swapping to MM after.
>>
>>1833289
Thank you for your cervix.
>>
>>1833254
Ive met brits and australians on navy contract ships, dont know their stories though
>>1833289
Getting depressed because none of the years straight underway count towards uscg sea time reqs
>>
>>1833274
>>1833275
>>1833276
>>1833277
What camera/phone?
>>
>>1833289
Unless your USN rating is directly related to the deck or engine department you will be massively short changed on your sea time by the USCG when you try to go civilian. In my career I’ve met very few ex USN enlisted but a huge number of ex USCG. Because the CG oversees the Mm and doesn’t have a huge list of different ratings for weapons and non engine room equipment their guys come out with a lot of sea time and applicable knowledge.
If you were a sonarman on a submarine or you spent 4 years loading ordinance on f-18s you really have no applicable experience for the merchant marine career. You may understand the at sea lifestyle but it’s still a job and you need a certain skill set. So there are much better uses of your 4 years if you’re set on sailing civilian Mariner. Academies; as described above ITT, or votech program s for QMED or AB are the best way to start.
>>
File: 43844809.jpg (46 KB, 800x600)
46 KB
46 KB JPG
Whats it like working on a wine tanker?
>>
>>1833563
iPhone 12
>>
Do you know of any jobs that have a sinilar work/life balance as living on a ship? I would love to be away for a month at a time, work full day every day, and then have all free time for two weeks afterwards. Can't get any better than that, but unfortunately I don't think I'd be of much use on a ship or oil rig or something, I've studied theoretical physics and worked as some sort of programmer as the last couple of years. I could proabbaly get into engineering but I'm rather loolimg for something that would involve my current skillset a bit
>>
>>1834244
Generally this lifestyle is only available in remote jobs (as in far away, not sit at your desk at home looking at anime porn on the clock) that are in the resource extraction industry. Oil & gas and minerals. If your theoretical degree in physics and IT help desk experience has prepared you for a life of working on electrical generators and distribution equipment or industrial automation/PLC stuff you could find a job in those fields doing that type of work. Similarly, military PMC contracting or at least the support side of those industries offers longer term 'deployed' type work in 6 month or more contracts.
Another unknown part of that is working for the huge corpos that oversee american military bases around the world. In a strange turn of racial advantage exploitation, all these bases are now ran by "Alaskan Native Corporations" which got their start administrating resource extraction in Alaska, and then expanded to do what Haliburton used to do, and they dominate the field because they get prefferential selection due to racism against the natives a long time ago.
So all the tiny island bases around the globe are ran by "A'huahuanai Native Corp" and they hire civilians to work the infrastructure support out there. When i went to Kwaj it was like 3000 civilian contractors and 100 active duty military, most of the contractors just did base maintenance stuff but they definitely had people working on the radars and probably an IT department.
Theres also positions onboard research vessels as computer nerd supporting the scientists, but because youre not involved in the operation of the vessel you arent considered a mariner nor do you get sea time.

But lets be honest, just like every other lookyloo who comes through here asking how to get a job like this, you wont do shit.
>>
>>1834244
Fly in fly out mining is like this.
>>
>>1834244
Sorry just read your post again and saw you have no real world skills, keep walking
>>
>>1834244
Get a fucking dictionary, Jesus Christ.
>>
got offered a position in the officer training program for the canadian coast guard

free bach degree and decent employment offered afterwards
if I don't fuck it up
:D
>>
How do you make sure your wife doesn't fuck everyone in your city while you're away?
>>
>>1834005
>iPhone 12
>>
>>1835754
You don't marry a slut.
>>
>>1835754
By agreeing that she has to get your consent (send a photo and STD test) for every guy she fucks.
>>
>>1835739
someone congratulate me, assholes
>>
>>1835755
It takes good pictures idiot
>>
Did SIU waived it's MMC requirement?
>>
>>1836187
Congratulations asshole
>>
Finally free of MSC!
>>
>>1836187
Congrats
But fuck Canada’s drunk driving laws. Many a time they’ve fucked over my coworkers
>>
>>1836519
What are you going to do now?
>>
>>1830797
>>1830802
I got my TWIC and MMC a few months ago and was wondering how I should go about hawsepiping if I wanted to work inland on say a tugboat or a barge?

The SIU was pushing the apprentice program on me but I dont want to spend 14 months doing that. Do I still need to take the Basic Safety/Vessel Securities classes before I'd be able to get hired anywhere?
>>
>>1836668
You typically don’t need STCW BST or VSO for inland vessels. STCW applies to vessels operating beyond the 12 mile line. And in my experience, smaller coastwise companies are often willing to ignore STCW requirements for non nav watch officers due to non existent oversight and enforcement.

However, inland vessels are small tonnage and horsepower and you can get stuck in that sector due the limitations of your experience and therefore license when you get it.

I’d recommend you look at coastwise towing at least if you’re interested in engine room because those boats are almost always over 3,000hp which is the qualifying number for unlimited horsepower licenses
>>
File: 20220724_113034.jpg (3.51 MB, 4128x3096)
3.51 MB
3.51 MB JPG
>62 year old second mate
>no chief mate o master license at all
Cringe or based?
Im thinking based
>>
File: olivia-o.png (393 KB, 931x482)
393 KB
393 KB PNG
We saw this yacht at work.
It belongs to Israeli shipowner Ofer (Zodiac etc).

I wanted to make the joke but I thought I might be fired for it, so I kept my mouth shut and did not mention it looks like a giant schnoz.
>>
>>1836768
thanks for the info, I'm still unsure about picking departments engine vs deck, but what kind of licensing/endorsments do you think I should look into?

I don't think the SIU will even let me join if I don't have the Basic Safety/VPDSD according to some documents they handed me.
>>
File: mouse reaction.jpg (24 KB, 500x318)
24 KB
24 KB JPG
Another visit to a Central American, another refusal to grant shore passes due to Covid. Gay World
>>
>>1836808
I’m in SIU as a licensed engineer sailing on harbor tugs. I don’t have VSO, I have BST and firefighting, but I got the job first and then voluntarily joined SIU, I did not seek employment via the union.
I know they’re pretty desperate for people but I think that’s for their deep sea contracts and everything big ship gets super formal and strict with the various endorsements. Limited tonnage/tugs is usually way more relaxed.

If you’re serious about getting into the industry then realistically it’s to your benefit to go through a training program that gives you some experience and endorsements and places you in a job upon completion.
The full greenhorn hawsepipe experience is pretty tough and has an extremely high attrition rate.
>>
>>1836836
I've worked industrial contracting only being payed $11 an hour doing horrible shit in hot factories 6 days a week so I think I'd be able to handle the greenhorn life if the pay is decent.

I'm really just thinking about working those tug/limited tonnage jobs to dip my feet in the water, like you said and maybe eventually working my way up to something better further down the line through that experience or gaining further endorsements from seaschools or whatever. I'm pretty bad at understanding alot of the bureaucracy so far with the industry
>>
>>1834244
>theoretical physics
If you don't mind going back to school, geophysics and seismology could be the right path for you. Most field jobs will have you on a "fly-in fly-out" schedule, working up to a month at a time. You also get to do cool shit like aerial surveys.
>>
>>1836860
Fair enough but the difference between AB/QMED and OS/Wiper is $35-$45k/yr and $70-85k yr depending on where you end up.

ABs in Alaska are pulling $375/day base pay with hourly pay for cargo work and sometimes 10% bonus for hardship duties like being in western Ak in the winter.

Things are getting better as the boomers age out and retire but I worked under some absolutely insane guys who’d basically spent the last 50 years at sea and delighted in destroying new hires.
>>
>>1836566
Dunno. I’ve worked for 15 months straight now because I fell for my Chief Mate’s lies (my fault for trusting him)
Now I sort of want to get something on the lakes, so I can be closer to home.
Honestly I would take anything that has a consistent schedule. With MSC I can’t plan any trips or activities with friends because for all I know I’ll be overdue four months.
>>
As an unlicensed engineer what do i have to do to get a well paying job at a power plant shoreside?
>>
>>1837720
I mean if you want to keep your red TSP rolling you could move to NOAA

However if you go to NOAA (and I cannot stress this enough) SPECIFICALLY HIRE ON INTO THE RELIEF POOL.
There you can work your own schedule and turn down jobs at will as long as you meet the minimum 120 days
If you go permanent on a ship, it’s the same deal as MSC just about.
>>
>>1837809
Fed*

Also most assignments are 20-30 days, with options to extend or go to another boat if you don’t want to go home at the end.
And if you do want to go home I’ve never had an issue leaving within a few days of my scheduled crew change date.
>>
File: mg sailors.jpg (63 KB, 483x648)
63 KB
63 KB JPG
>>
>>1838731
Any info on this pic?
>>
>>1836521
Don't drive drunk, then.
>>
Two questions:
How's internet access nowadays? I assume the answer is more or less "it depends," but in general what does it look like in your experiences?
How can one stay fit aboard? I've met some fatass mariners, so I'm curious if there are weights or cardio equipment on ships for those that want to be physically useful through most of their lives.
>>
>>1839398
Internet depends where you go but underway you cant get a starlink if you want to pay, otherwise youre gonna only have cell in ports. There are gyms on most ships, the fatasses are like that out choice. Shit you dont even need the gym you could stay in shape with prison style shit and pullups pushups and stair runs or something if you wanted to, fat people are just fat.
>>
>>1839450
Can get*
>>
How does the night sky look like from the deck? I'll be cruising the Baltic in a few days and I'm wondering whether I should bring a camera.
>>
>>1839471
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JBMpzW_B58
>>
>>1830802
I think I'm going to do it; I'm sick of being a failure loser. I'm going to do my general ed at a community college and see if I can transfer to CalMaritime. That's as far as my plan goes. Does that sound somewhat coherent? I've never been to college before and I've been out of high school for more than a decade.
>>
Has anybody forged a vax for their job?
>>
>>1839653
Never needed to, personally. As someone said previously a lot of Gulf companies don't care. West Coast guys can have their myocarditis.
>>
>>1839749
Can the same be said about great lakes companies?
>>
>>1839649
If you can skip all the gen ed stuff you should be able to get your degree and license in 3 years from CMA. I think you can’t do 2 years because they do your sea time on summer training cruises and cadetship at a maritime company in your final summer. Try to get with WTB for your cadetship if you do follow through.

>>1839653
Purebloods stay winning. No job is worth the clot shot. It’s not required federally so it varies by company. More corporate: more vaxx.

>>1839785
If they don’t say so in the job listing, you can assume it’s not required. But definitely ask before committing.
>>
File: mg gargantua.jpg (32 KB, 680x383)
32 KB
32 KB JPG
>>1839785
I honestly have no idea but there's really nothing to be lost by calling them up and asking directly. In fact it does a minor public service because you remind them that there are people w/o the vax ready to work.

In my limited experience you'll probably have better luck with smaller vs larger companies. Remember that workers have a lot of leverage in this tight job market and that a lot of companies are starting to face lawsuits over their mandates. I'm sure many are still stubborn but I bet you can find something.
>>
>>1839915
>Purebloods stay winning
good to know, thanks. What is WTB? I couldn't find anything through a few searches.
>>
>>1839953
Western Tow Boat unless he’s talking about a different company
>>
>>1840299
Ahh gotcha thanks
>>
File: surf.jpg (32 KB, 400x310)
32 KB
32 KB JPG
Heil Hitler
>>
File: 05_SW9602_Sailing_HR-(65).jpg (1.41 MB, 1500x1050)
1.41 MB
1.41 MB JPG
>>
>>1836521
Are your coworkers just complete morons? It's really not that hard, just don't drink and then drive.
>>
File: wtf.gif (2.2 MB, 370x336)
2.2 MB
2.2 MB GIF
>>1840913
>just don't drink and then drive.
>>
File: aerospace grade coomer.jpg (91 KB, 768x1024)
91 KB
91 KB JPG
>>
Fuck me, I think I’m done with boats again.
Sick of the scheduling. Dealing with bitchy skippers. High stress of engineering and shit going sideways. Sick of pre-crew-up anxiety and depression. Working 84+ hrs a week and no extra pay for working my off watch.
The job is affecting my relationship with my old lady again, and isn’t healthy.
Breathing exhaust and never having proper diet or sleep patterns is killing me.
I love boats, but it’s not worth the cost of the ebb and flow of depression from my occupation, and my relationships.

Any advice in other career fields, paying $70k+?
I got great people skills, a strong back, and a DDE license. What do?
>>
>>1836187
You won’t make it
>>
>>1841715
Get a license and go to a power plant or just try to do it now. That or ET or whatever your strengths are.
>>
>why yes, I was having a heart attack for a split second as I mistook look-ahead sector triangle as a head on vessel right on my bow in a close proximity at NIGHT how could you tell

Simrad Maris ecdis you owe me one
>>
>>1841715
Look into facilities management certifications, and you can probably get a job as a hotel or hospital chief engineer.
You won’t make as much money.

Looks like you’re in Seattle. There’s other companies hiring up there…
>>
>>1841837
won't make it to what
>>
About to start my first 6h-on 6h-off watch hitch (with mooring and drills probably occuring in rest periods as they do) for 3 months straight. As someone perma-tired even with 8h of sleep How fucked is my circadian rhythm?
>>
File: 1658386463682087.jpg (37 KB, 592x480)
37 KB
37 KB JPG
>>1841971
Why you're doing this? You'll be like a nursing mom who's always need sleep. If you're in such position I recommend you to arrange your watch with your colleague who you share 24h schedule as this: 0000 to 0700 Watchman A
0700 to 1400 Watchman B
1400 to 1900 Watchman A
1900 to 2400 Watchman B

Speaking from experience with such an arrangement both of you will get enough sleep and rest. Fatigue is no joke frens. Take care.
>>
RAF Officer of 10 years here.

Just about to transfer to the Royal Navy as a warfare officer. am i fucked? dreaming of retiring to a small yacht in the med as an admiral or somthing
>>
>>1841863
>>1841916
I think I want to try to get into firefighting.
Firefighting class got my dick hard, as well as fire salvages I’ve worked, and the firemen I’ve talked to said I’d fit in.
Living at a firehouse seems like an appealing transition from boats, working a few days at a time. Slowly reading into where to start to get into it.
I’m not going back to commuting 2+ hrs every day, as I did when I took a hiatus from tugs for a year.

>other companies hiring up there
They’re all the same? The grass is always greener, but it’s a revolving door of guys I’ve met of going between companies. I’m done with ever doing Alaska. My old lady had a miscarriage years back when I was on a 2 month hitch and all the way in Dutch, which caused me to quit that employer and get harbor/near coastal work.
Nowadays I’m working 2/2 usually, which I really can’t bitch about, except for the fact of all the unpaid OT I work in that time on my off watch. Then throw in the most deck work, as I’m on the captains watch.

>>1841971
Give it several hitches, and you’ll eventually get over feeling retarded and like a zombie. Couple hrs of undisturbed REM sleep hitting like an upper.
>>
>>1842120
Go to /k/ navyfag
>>
>>1842250
Not to keep shilling them, and I left for my own reasons after being there for a long time, but WTB has great equipment and pretty good pay and bennies, and *some* regular runs there are 2 week on 1 week off then a month off every 2 or three, or 11/2/11-14off. Just dont let them send you to red dog.

If youre from PNW and you went to the fire school in the Foss yard, hell yeah. That shit was awesome. I did it three times and loved every (non classroom) minute.
>>
>>1837809
>>1837812
Thanks for the advice
I hear they’re weird about hiring mates though
>>
>>1842264
I’ve personally known 4 guys who went over to western show boat. I know several who have worked there. No real schedule and getting thrown into Alaska runs, or working the deck all day.

I was talking with an engineer buddy, whose prior 2 generations were WSF career guys, and I make look into that. 1-1, 12 hr days, and hazardous pay for doing projects. Use my QMED, and shadow other engineers, and no deck work. However, that also sounds boring as fuck. Hell, I know a former ferry captain who became a mate on towboats instead, as ferries felt dead end.

I went to MERTS down in Astoria, and it was pretty cool. No real smoke, so you could hear the instructors talking, and it was laid out like an actual boat, from ER to staterooms.
>>
>>1842508
QMED at WSF pays $29/hr. Takes 2 years to stop being “on call” and get a regular boat. You’ll still work full time as an on call but you’ll be driving from dock to dock around puget sound possibly every night for a different boat.
3 years estimated waiting time to sail as 3/AE if you have the license.
I had a good talk with their port engineer in charge of hiring a few years ago. They’re desperate for people but the union structure prevents them from offering a deal that’s attractive to people with experience.

Yeah WTB is all about working cargo deck in Alaska for Lynden. It’s brutal but pays great, they used to have decent schedule for the guys doing the regular AML runs but as they started losing people really fast over the past two years they began “asking” the remaining people to sail more and more back to back runs and anytime Lynden/AML had some bullshit job out west WTB says “we’ll do it!” First and then browbeats crews who should be off the boat into doing the jobs.
They pay engineers quite well but as a company they don’t actually respect the position and you can end up treated like a jumped up deckhand.

Best of luck to you. I know it’s a very difficult position to be so invested in a maritime career and unable to earn comparable income elsewhere but the family problems and general stress is brutal.
>>
>>1842524
Not him but i believe i read recently the WSF on call thing is now six months. Also i may be mistaken but is their only qmed position oiler? Also since they hire 3rds out of MEBA how can they have a wait time?
>>
>>1842554
My conversation with WSF was in October of 2019 so it’s possible that the situation has changed. Advancement in WSF is based on seniority, so if they have openings for full time oilers, then the on call oiler with the highest seniority gets the position. You’re basically always waiting for people above you to retire.
Officer positions are the same. There are full time oilers at WSF with 3/AE waiting for positions to open up above them. It’s my understanding that they only go to MEBA if they don’t have any qualified internal candidates. You join MEBA when you get promoted to officer iirc, the QMEDs aren’t MEBA.

At the time I was sailing as chief on a coastal towing tug in Alaska making 6 figures and living near Spokane so it just wasn’t an attractive deal for me.
>>
>>1842562
So do they only hire Oiler qmeds and not electricians?
>>
>>1842565
I've only ever seen listings for QMED -oiler.
It would be worth you reaching out to them to find out if they'd be willing to employ you.
I was really lucky and able to get QMED- All ratings via just holding a license. They closed that off like 5 years ago though. What a pain in the ass to try and test for all 5 ratings or whatever.
>>
>>1842524
Damn, doesn’t sound the worst for WSF, and 6 months-2 years ain’t that long to find a home boat.

I’ve just seen so many guys being consoomers and addicted to retail therapy or new car notes, as if it justifies spending 50-66% of their existence at work. I’m trying to start a family, and being gone excessively doesn’t justify a 6 figure income for me, personally. I also feel stagnant engineering on tugs, as i’m seldom learning on the job anymore.

Thanks for sharing that wisdom of yours. I’ll keep grinding my teeth in the meantime, and look between MEBA and definitely call up firefighting departments next time I’m off.

And I’ll say it again, fuuuuck sailing Alaska. Spent my first year on tugs crossing the Gulf of Alaska.
>”hey anon, do you get seasick?”
>no, I’ve been working on skiffs for 2 years. I’m golden.
>”alright, sending you to Alaska this week for a couple months”
Spent my first hitch on tugs, in December, spending Christmas and New Year’s, (with no holiday pay, since I was under my 90 days) greener than babyshit from getting our asses kicked. Had the pleasure of working for one of the most miserable boomer captains I’ve ever met in my career. He prided himself on “breaking” and abusing new hands. I’m glad the maritime culture is slowly changing. Can’t spend 20 years shooting your self in the foot, and wondering why no new blood is staying.
>>
File: mug.jpg (3.71 MB, 4000x3000)
3.71 MB
3.71 MB JPG
>>1842264
Crewmate detected
>>
How do I get a maritime job in canada? Can’t find SHIT on indeed
>>
>>1839504
That looks amazing, my ferry is all lit up and I can't see shit :(
>>
>>1842501
Yeah there’s a few mates but it’s kind of convoluted on how to actually get the position.
I was thinking about trying to strong arm my way into a mate position here when I get my license, but I feel like I’d learn a bunch of bad habits from the NOAA Corps officers here.
>>
>>1842584
I liked Alaska while I was up there, granted I was on a 300ft OSV, and we still got our shit kicked in, I can’t imagine being on a 110ft tug in some of that shit lol.
>>
File: 1551980216736.gif (1.72 MB, 540x288)
1.72 MB
1.72 MB GIF
>>1839915
>If you can skip all the gen ed stuff
How does one skip gen ed stuff? Also, Maritime engineering is the major to choose correct? Reading the admissions information is like seeing a foreign language for the first time.
>>
Adiós paper charts (•ˇ_ˇ•)―
>>
>>1843522
I don't know anything about boatin, but is that a good idea?
>>
>>1843522
I actually liked paper charts.
Updating is a bitch, but i found it easier to plot courses and positions on it.
>>
File: 1648067322267.gif (2.01 MB, 300x300)
2.01 MB
2.01 MB GIF
>>1843660
Tell me about it. I am glad I was a cadet when paper charts still a thing.

>>1843528
Digital charts and display system on screen is mandated on ships more than 5 years ago so now it's time to put paper charts to rest since system is good and running and everyone's (especially navigation officer) happy.
>>
>>1843522
Anyone know where to buy used sailing charts in bulk?
>>
File: 1647805853386.jpg (283 KB, 1516x1000)
283 KB
283 KB JPG
>qt ginger cadet
>taken
I knew I shouldn't get my hopes up.
>>
Any trad sailors here?
Just did a long hitch on a tall ship and loved every day of it except the pay. Am back on containers now but it just feels soul draining after trying sailing. Should I just become a wind assisted bum? I could still pay my bills and save a bit.
>>
File: IMG-20220820-WA0051.jpg (39 KB, 842x496)
39 KB
39 KB JPG
>>1843889
Come to brazil my nigga.
Theres women working offshore who dont speak your language but will fuck your brains out. They will approach you.
>>
>>1844053
Tallships are for hippies. Might as well join sea Shepard or green peace.
>>
>>1844083
What city or company? Im on my way
>>
>>1844083
But I don't want AIDS.
>>
>>1844242
Straight white men don't get aids anon.
>>
Who are more bro tier and easy to work with? Engies or deckies?
>>
>>1844576
From my experience, both have bros.
>>
>>1844576
Generally speaking and there are exceptions but deck personnel tend to be more competent and affable
>>
How do I know if I'm too stupid for a marine engineering degree? (math specifically)

https://youtu.be/Yeh1S_kl8YI
>>
You've listened to it a million times
https://youtu.be/WNMge2vE6G8
>>
>new deckhand gets on boat
>gen x’er
>worked a hitch or two 20 years ago
>has HOLD FAST on his knuckles
>doesn’t know a thing about boats
>out of shape, lazy, and a bad attitude
I had to ask him “are you giving me fucking attitude right now?”
Because he didn’t want to scrub the bulkheads down.

Why can’t we find any hands, or hire anyone worth a damn?
Also, fuck posers with Mariner tattoos.
>>
>>1845474
It slim pickings right now man, prepare for more greenhorns and felons
>>
>>1845474
>Why can’t we find any hands, or hire anyone worth a damn?
Welcome to the next 40 years of population decline because the boomers didn't have enough kids. Pay up or run shorthanded.
>>
>>1845751
>>1845751
We are usually running short handed, We get no overtime, and lucky to get just one off watch undisturbed a day. What’s the legality in this? Who can I notify to stop this?
I’m getting bad brain fog and making dumb mistakes on deck.
>>
>>1845790
Everyone is short handed right now, which causes a spiral of higher work loads, causing people to quit, causing higher work loads on the remaining crews, and companies desperate to hire anybody with a pulse. Ain’t it grand?
>>
>>1845474
>Why can’t we find any hands, or hire anyone worth a damn?
Government Red Tape says hello. That said it's great to see the bureaucratic nightmare begin to fall apart.
>>
>>1830797
The sticky mentions "Unhinged crewmates". What can you tell me about this? I can't tell if you mean basic sociopathy or medium security floating prison.
>>
>>1845474
>Why can’t we find any hands, or hire anyone worth a damn?
I'd love to enter the maritime industry via an academy or union but they're still demanding the clotshots. Could always hawsepipe but I've seen a lot of anons discourage that.

Anyways, drop the retarded mandates and you'll ease the pain of the shortages a bit. There are plenty of us that are able-bodied with a good work ethic that are ready to join at a moment's notice; just not at the cost of potentially fucking up our hearts.
>>
>>1846077
i am also curious about the habits of the traditionally rough and salty sailor
tell us stories?
what are you guys really like?
>>
>>1845985
Unless youre talking about the vaxx mandates, that very red tape is what lets us pull over six figures while working half the year and in many cases with no college degree.
Getting an MMC isnt hard, and you can get one even if you are a felon you just have to have served your time and be clean for a while.
Getting a license isnt hard for people with an IQ over 100, but many people are too dumb to navigate the bureaucracy or pass the tests, and thats just fine with me. Scarcity equals high pay.
The problem is the lack of people applying for entry level jobs. They pay pretty good, but the work is hard and the lifestyle isnt for everyone.
>>
>>1842691
I recognize that mug. WINTER IS COMING. Enjoy the 10% west pay.

>>1846077
>>1846176
The thing to understand is this job is so radically different from anything else other than remote mining or maybe some military deployments where youre thrown together with a random group of guys you may never have met before, and on a vessel youve never seen before which may be a total piece of shit, and sent into an environment that is relatively hostile to human life.
Especially on work boats, youre basically living in a 4 bedroom house with 4-6 other guys, without the ability to leave. You cannot escape. You MUST deal with their bullshit.
People who do this job for decades end up very eccentric. Those same lifers are usually the superior officers onboard, so they have power over you. And they generally have sacrificed any meaningful life or relationships on land, so what happens on the boat is the be all end all of their existence. This leads to insane bullshit like a captain i worked with who demanded that greenhorn cooks make him a lemon marangue pie from scratch as a right of passage.
We had this one guy in his 30s who was a weird hobbit looking dude, we called him Frodo.
He slaved away all morning to make this pie. Made the crust from scratch. Made everything from the Joy Of Cooking book. Pie smelled great.
Took it out of the oven. It was nice slightly golden brown. Probably tasted delicious.
Unfortunately it looked like a fucking mushroom.
"he didnt peak it!" "HE DIDNT PEAK IT!" "he didnt peak it?" "he. didnt. peak. it"
The captain and his crony mate went back and forth about how he didnt peak the pie like he'd crucified Christ himself. They ordered him to throw it over the side.
Dude was crushed. The rest of the trip he was just a shell of a man barely going through the motions. He hung around the company for a few more months before the same mate got mad at him justifiably because he fucked with something in the engine room without permission and he was fired.
>>
>>1846239
You sound just like the kind of person in the second reply.
>>
>>1846239
i hope frodo is now making pies in place that appreciates him
>>
>>1846249
I've been doing this long enough and im probably a lifer, so im definitely tainted. However hawspiping under the worst of the boomer tyrants has left me with a good understanding of how not to treat my subordinates if i want them to actually perform.
Unfortunately you can be a fair manager and invest a lot of personal time and effort into new guys and they'll still quit, so i kinda understand the old hand's reluctance to teach anyone and their pleasure in breaking the weak.
>>1846277
Dont get me wrong, he was a fucking weird dude and he was a shirker. Faked a wrist injury to get out of working cargo then was seen using his injured arm just fine, among other things.
But he didnt deserve that treatment. He went back to trucking, where IIRC he spilled some fuel, which is what got him discharged from the coast guard previously, so yeah fuck that guy.
>>
>>1846236
You only have to work for half the year?
>>
>>1846343
The 'standard' mariner schedule is 180 days per year. Weather this actually happens is very dependent on the company you work for. Typically union shops are better about holding to it while non union will try to make you work as much as they possibly can. The upshot is youre getting paid, so if you like working 240 days per year and being divorced and having nobody left on land who knows you exist, then that option is certainly available.
But yeah generally speaking mariners work half of the year when viewed as a percentage of the 360 days. Some guys do it all in one go, others week on week off, others go month/month.
>>
>>1846077
The level of insanity you will see depends on the ship. Some are normal, some are mental hospitals. I was on Military Sealift Command vessels. There are plenty of fights, verbal (everyday occurrence) and physical (rare) on every one though. On my first ship we had a borderline psych patient who threw chairs and screamed at people who spoke back to him when he said stupid shit, to the point of tears. He left and was replaced by an actual schizo who screamed about the world ending via nuclear conflict and rummaged through the trash like a methhead raccoon. Neither were objectively bad people and were mostly stable, most of the time, but it seems like every dude who's done this 20+yrs falls off the deep end. I hope one day psychologists will figure out why. And of course there's the ABs that scream at OSs for no reason other than because they desperately want to be the boss but isnt. Or because the OS isn't willing to put up with "AB wants to push off his job to the OS and sleep" for the 300th time today.
As long as you aren't blatantly being a massive cock, it should be alright, but some people are straight jaded and are going to be a cunt no matter what. You just kinda have to deal with it. Like the other anon said, you cannot escape. Only rarely does shit genuinely get out of hand or unsafe, and usually it's just everyone is tired or pissed off and it manifested itself at the wrong time. Sometimes someone is genuinely being a cunt and gets what they deserve. But that's life anywhere yoisn't.
I haven't been in long but unhinged crewmates are absolutely a thing. We may have thousands of lines of STCW code and USCG regulation, but every ship is a church for the lawless. At sea there's little oversight over what actually happens and generally some level of fighting is expected and tolerated. It has to be because we dont have time to deal with your shit.
Might be different outside of MSC? I'll never know. I'm quitting to be a trucker.
>>
>>1845127
I can tell you you’re not
>>
Don't mind me just leaving here exact depiction of being a chief mate.
>>
>>1844576
Camaraderie is stronger among engine no doubt. This probably because when things go south chief engineer and oiler alike work on the same wrench.

t.deckie
>>
>>1846239
I do remote mining and I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on how different it is.
>>
File: 1651827650334.png (119 KB, 550x400)
119 KB
119 KB PNG
>>1845474
>Also, fuck posers with Mariner tattoos.

Hear hear
>>
so I dropped out of my cadetship for reasons, but I saw a comfy poem and I'm going to post it anyway
>>
As night hath stars, more rare than ships
In ocean, faint from pole to pole,
So all the wonder of her lips
Hints her innavigable soul.

Such lights she gives as guide my bark;
But I am swallowed in the swell
Of her heart's ocean, sagely dark,
That holds my heaven and holds my hell.

In her I live, a mote minute
Dancing a moment in the sun:
In her I die, a sterile shoot
Of nightshade in oblivion.

In her my elf dissolves, a grain
Of salt cast careless in the sea;
My passion purifies my pain
To peace past personality.

Love of my life, God grant the years
Confirm the chrism - rose to rood!
Anointing loves, asperging tears
In sanctifying solitude!

Man is so infinitely small
In all these stars, determinate.
Maker and moulder of them all,
Man is so infinitely great!
>>
File: legs.jpg (130 KB, 800x1208)
130 KB
130 KB JPG
What are the chances that someone will hire me as a motorman if I have about 60 days on sea
yurop, btw
>>
>>1847678
loser lmao
>>
>>1847678
What did you do you absolute buffoon
>>
Crew up tomorrow after being off for a month. Fucking hate this feeling. Been helping my kids learn how to read and doing all kinds of family stuff and now it must all go on pause, except life doesnt stop when youre at sea.
Cant even drink the sadness away because obviously have to report to the boat tomorrow sober.

You know this feel.
>>
>>1846677
>>1848197
How long did it take you to get burned out on the lifestyle and how common is the feeling among longtime seamen?
>>
>>1848197
>>1848730
You’ll get jaded in no time, especially if you aren’t a total consoomer, blowing your paychecks, and have a romantic partner.

I feel depressed prior to almost every crew up, but sometimes I can’t wait to go back, as I’ve spent too much time drinking and fucking off land. I’m fine once I’m on the boat, but shit, do I hate going through my seabag.
>>
>>1848901
Yep. Once I’m on the boat and back in the groove it’s fine, but that day before crew up is always awful.
>>
>>1847728
Wrote on the wall with the oxyacetylene torch. Yeah I know, I’m fucking retarded.
>>
>>1849162
what the fuck man, what did you write and why did you think it was a good idea?
>>
>>1849181
My name. I thought it would easily rub off and I saw some other fag doing it who got away with it. I was heavily sleep deprived and after 6 hours of welding practise I thought why not. The instructor had it out for me so when he saw it he really went all in to fuck me over.
>>
>>1849162
>>1849300
Lol. Lmao.
>>
File: FcUJS2sWAAEaQeE.jpg (1.77 MB, 2547x4096)
1.77 MB
1.77 MB JPG
Megabay is turning into VAB
>>
File: thani.jpg (201 KB, 1080x961)
201 KB
201 KB JPG
If the supply of mariners is so low rn shouldn't wages be going up?
>>
>>1849337
yes, they should
>>
>>1849337
Not if the demand for mariners is also low.
>>
>>1849337
They are going up. It’s not 2014 levels yet, but it’ll probably keep going upwards as global oil supplies tighten more in 2023.

>>1849347
There’s dozens of open job listings for people with my qualifications rn, and even entry level is desperate for bodies. Entry level wages aren’t great, but they never were.
>>
File: ugly.png (177 KB, 500x500)
177 KB
177 KB PNG
>>1849307
>>
>>1830797
Any engies here worked yachting before? Whats it like?
>>
>>1848901
For me I don’t really get depressed before I go back to the boat, but it’s when I get there and spend the first night in my bunk, that’s when it hits.

Goes away the next day though, which is nice
>>
fucking coast guard FUCKING HURRY UP
>>
This job has redpilled me that i just hate working in general, the feeling of dread of going back to work is just the feeling every sunday night magnified at a 9-5. i don't have any family though so might be a little different.
>>
File: rail.jpg (130 KB, 636x680)
130 KB
130 KB JPG
railfags rising up
>>
>>1850676
>entire board for railnigs and bikefags
>posts this in the /mg/
Go to the other 100 threads for choochoos
>>
I'm getting government funding for my Marine Emergency Duties as well as Survival Craft certifications and a part of the application package for said $$$ requires I interview 4 industry people; I've already interviewed a ferry captain, a Navy LtCdr, and a regional ferry service hiring manager...and I haven't been able to find a fourth.

Can someone help an anon get to school, I'm at the point of going on 4chan threads to seek leads. The universe sent me here though, because this was the first thread that popped up on /n/ catalog 5 minutes ago when I came on about to start my own thread for advice.
>>
>>1850702
Calm your autism, I wanted to see if anyone had thoughts on this. Lack of scheduling is a problem for sailors too. Some of us don't look at this board beyond /mg/.
>>
>>1850676
>>1850702
>>1850712
Railroad does have some similarities with the Merchant Marine. I had no idea it was this bad for rail workers as far as personal time goes.
We definitely have it better, at least on paper. However actually getting to utilize your vacation/time off can be increasingly difficult as the industry faces manpower shortages. At my employer all planned time off must be submitted in exactly the right format, and then is subject to approval, and theres odd restrictions on how many days you can take at once that end up meaning you cant actually be off for a full hitch.
With the company being shorthanded they can and will just deny your requests and or force you to find someone to cover for you. This should probably be addressed in our own union contract next time its negotiated.

I get a little annoyed at tax time when i see all the "click here if youre a super special railroad guy" options and the MM gets nothing.

>>1850706
What education/school/degree/license is this for?
Drop an e-mail I'll reach out. I'm a licensed officer in the US Merchant Marine and i just got off the boat so why not.
>>
File: bcferry.jpg (22 KB, 750x421)
22 KB
22 KB JPG
>>1850727
I'm trying to get into deckhand or engine room assistant work, aiming for the regional ferry transit service in British Columbia or even commercial stuff if the opportunity is there. I'm going to a maritime institute on Vancouver Island to gain the STCW prerequisites (Marine Emergency Duties and then Survival Craft) to be even considered as a candidate, based on info I've gathered from industry people.

uberken87@gmail.com; merci beaucoup, anon, that helps a ton.
>>
Fucking bureaucrats WORK HARDER I NEED MY ENDORSEMENT
>>
>>1850736
The longest ive ever had to wait is about 6 weeks for them to evaluate my sea time and give me a letter of approval to test. Typically theyre faster, between 2-4 weeks.
Are you getting e-mail updates on the status of your paperwork? I've known people who sent in and assumed things were in motion but never received any updates, meaning nothing was happening and they had to resubmit.
>>
>>1850742
Yea,its week three and im at pending evaluation stage
>>
>>1850742
Also, do you need to pay for evaluation to get testing approval? I did for a seperate endorsement that im working on and thought i overpaid so just sent them a longwinded email asking for a refund for just that fee, not that it matters cause im gonna be at sea by the time it gets approved but I probably just over complicated it kek, not that it isnt already convoluted and over complicated already.
>>
Starting a gig on a river cruise boat soon as a mate, slight pay cut but I like the six week on two week off schedule as opposed to the six or seven month on one month off bullshit MSC makes you deal with. I just found out that these ships have only one unlicensed engineer on board, should I be worried? Seems like a recipe for disaster
>>1845474
I know a 50 year old new hire wiper who was a boatswain in the navy a couple decades ago. I don’t know how because he’s too stupid to be a wiper, and can’t transfer to the deck department like he wants to be because he’s too stupid to tie a square knot or remember any terminology. For fire drills I have to dress him out like he’s a toddler, dude is 6’4 and tried hopping into a 5’5 Filipino guy’s fire suit because he cannot read a nametag.
Agreed, sometimes when people find out that I sail they want to show me their anchor and swallow tattoos. All it does is annoy me
>>
>>1850743
My renewal came back in about 60 days give or take
>>
>>1850743
>>1850746
Three weeks pending isnt really unusual, but i understand how frustrating it is when youve got a big raise waiting on your new credentials and it doesnt arrive prior to crew up.
However you might have fucked yourself by e-mailing them about refunding. You possibly threw a wrench in your process that could cause a hold up. Never complicate things with the USCG. Get the new endorsement/credentials in the most simple way possible and worry about the rest later.
I had a situation once where i was approved for two different license tests on the same letter. Tested for the one that was immediately relevant to my employer and would come with a huge raise. Then the guy at the REC said they wouldnt issue the license untill i'd tested for the other one, since they were on the same letter. I said that was irrelevant and wanted my license ASAP, so he made me hand write a statement attesting that i wanted immediate issuance of the license for which i had just tested and passed. It was weird, but the license was issued within a week and i had it in my hand within two weeks.

>>1850748
I havent worked river but i went from ocean/coastal towboats to harbor tugs in an area that is heavily worked by river boats and we have a lot of wheelhouse guys that come from there.
I think you'll be in for a big culture shock coming from MSC ships to little river boats.
They dont have engineers because they often have less than 4,000HP and they can just put in almost anywhere and get shoreside support.
The big river boats do carry licensed engineers from what i've been told.
>>
>>1846077
>>1846176
I deal with
65 year old Filipinos who hate the black guys because they’re racist and hate the white guys because they’re losers who move to the Philippines and impregnate teenage girls they have no desire of taking care of
New hire blacks who the government hires willy jolly off the gangbanging streets of Baltimore and Jacksonville who hate white guys because they are racist and hate Filipinos because the Filipinos call them slurs
Military dropout alcoholic whites who think they’re too good for their jobs and are racist to Filipinos and blacks
Africans who are racist to everyone including black Americans and cannot do anything right
This creates a tense work environment where people often get in fist fights and even stabbed. MSC will not fire an unlicensed for stabbing someone else, by the way.
Not to mention the schizophrenic and bipolar people who oh so commonly work in the industry, as well as a decent amount of drunkards who go out on a weekday, get plastered and uber back to the ship at noon the next day only to pass out on the mess deck. This can be anyone from unlicensed wipers to the captain himself.
Working with MSC is like being in hell. Nobody knows how to do their job, the captains cannot moor for shit, and I have seen many many injuries because that’s what happens when you take inner city black people with zero training and tell them to work with ammunition and mooring lines
>>
>>1850755
Yeah, i tested for one endorsement and sent it in then applied to test for the next one a week later which is the one thats gonna be an issue, hopefully im not fucked…
>>
>>1850755
>I think you'll be in for a big culture shock coming from MSC ships to little river boats.
I hope so in a good way, I’m fine doing more work as long as I don’t have to deal with psychotic crewmembers
>>
>>1850759
Are you a mate? I find engineering department has clearer objectives and smaller groups so less of that stuff. Ive been on a few msc ships as an engineer and the solid people outnumbered the shit ones by a decent ratio.
>>
>>1850771
I am a mate. Agreed, the engine department gets along great from what I’ve seen. Aside from a couple wipers who passed through. Supply can be good too, it’s mostly deck that gets the oddballs
>>
>>1850759
>65 year old Filipinos who hate the black guys because they’re racist
This seems like a pretty dumb reason for an old man to pick fights.
>>
>>1850776
in all fairness, filipinos are a) dumb b) love to punch down c) are the black people of asia so can only punch down to black people and indians
>>
>>1850759
MSC here, he's not fucking joking about the knives. I've seen it. Almost had to defend myself with one once lmao.
Also I transfer ships soon and I'm absolutely terrified that my next ship will be shit. I'm on a good one right now. Can't wait to see how this goes.
>>
I work as an engineer on ships and am trying to get my own heavy equipment repair company going, what are the chances im able to work my way into a shipyard government contract? Do the big shipyard contractors subcontract stuff that requires special equipment? Anyone know how this works
>>
I can't remember where, but I remember that sometimes crews of ships doomed to sink set up the deck hoses to form a cross out of water to show respect.
Is this a real practice? Does it have a name so I can google for it?
>>
>>1850759
>>1850983
>>1846677
Is MSC litterly just a prison work program, wtf?
Is this shit common throughout the industry?
Why do people do it? Do they pay really good or something?
>>
>>1851571
It's a government job, people start either to get their foot in the door and leave or stay because the federal retirement benefits are better than anything else and also muh serve my country. union and private jobs are smaller crews and normally chiller and pay more from what i hear. MSC in my opinion is like you paying your chunk of flesh for getting into the industry to get somewhere better, they basically just hire anyone so your experience can vary, its basically just what you get when you put a bunch of americans on a ship. that said i have worked for msc and had great times and met great people.
>>
File: DSC01732 - Copy.jpg (1.77 MB, 3416x2278)
1.77 MB
1.77 MB JPG
>>
>>1851571
This is what happens when you leave americans to themselves. I work with brazilians straight from the favelas and they dont behave like this
>>
>>1851624
“Americans”

It’s a very specific demographic that causes the problems on MSC ships.
You’ll find them working in the DMV and post office and any other government employer of large numbers of menial laborers. Government is always desperate for people and gets special points for hiring certain types. Government jobs is very hard to get fired from.

This shit doesn’t happen in the private sector outside of Alaska fish processing ships which hire the same type of people because nobody else will take those jobs.
>>
>>1851571
I have no home to go back to anon, and can't afford rent on my own in a land job. I'm going to just kill myself eventually
>>
File: do not teach knots.png (57 KB, 855x364)
57 KB
57 KB PNG
Remember to make your new crewmate feel welcome
>>
>>1852870
Fucking kill me. I like this industry as shit talking fags and niggers is relatively ok.

I don’t want to work with women, or faggots.

What do they even mean when they say “I’m a bi-transgender man”
>>
>>1852902
He is mentally ill
>>
>>1852870
Imagine the smell of the axe wound after a day of hard work in the engineroom
>>
>>1852902
A woman who pretend to be a man.
Probably going to end up getting fucked by all the other crew.
>>
>>1851536 What you describe is a type of celebration from tug boat as soon as a big ship calls for a 1st time at a new port, a new ship makes her maiden call or when a ship gets back into service after a long time by a new company.
>>
>>1852870
Luckily the industry tends to weed out these genetic rejects, you need to be a tough sob to work this kind of work and they are not going to accept the gender theory bullshit. Plus SIU is real union, you tell them you're trans and need special assistance they sent your ass packing.
>>1852902
>What do they even mean when they say “I’m a bi-transgender man”
Let me take over your workplace so I an enforce my identity politics game. Anytime you accept these "people" they bring their political baggage with them.
>>
>>1853116
>somehow talking about trannies this morning at watch change
>”what does being bi transgender even me? Sounds like being straight with extra steps”
>everyone nods and agrees, one guy tells stories of how his kids give a WTF look when seeing trannies
>”y’know, it makes you understand why the Taliban wants to stone certain peoples”
>everyone agrees
Totally acceptable to reveal your power level on boats, if you read the crew right.
>>
File: fukk.png (403 KB, 642x839)
403 KB
403 KB PNG
>tfw it's time to help the captain dilate his neovagina
>>
How rare are women in the engine department?
>>
>>1853396
Not common in my American experience.
The maritime academies graduate more female and more deck officers but I only ever knew one female engineer and she came from fishing in Alaska.
>>
>>1852902
Fuck that and fuck you, I like working with women, and don’t mind working with gays or trannies. If they’re not in your face about it who gives a shit? I’m there to collect a paycheck and go enjoy my land life
>>
>>1853461
There’s a female engineer at my company that’s hot af
There were a few hot chicks at my old oilfield company though too
>>
>>1853566
>>1853461
Every single female engineer in my class at SUNY who stayed with the program eventually became lesbian or bisexual. Something fishy is going on in that berthing space
>>
>>1853565
>If they’re not in your face about it who gives a shit?
Yeah, IF... but rarely is that the case. It's either listening to nonstop preening and bitching, or dealing with people who feel entitled to sit around and do nothing since the company is afraid to fire them.
Are macho, butch fags even a thing anymore?
>>
>>1853565
You must be some lonely and ugly closet homo, I bet you pick up slack for the one troglodyte girl on your crew i hopes of getting some pussy. And I bet you dont mind some troon cock because you’re that much of a lonely quasimodo.
>>
>>1853565
You'll never be a real woman.
>>
Inlandbros, what should I expect sailing up and down the Mississippi on a 300ft vessel?
>>
>>1853565
Cringe simp
>>
>>1853565
You haven’t worked or sailed with women or gayfags much then, or are one yourself if you don’t find the experience less than desirable.

Let me add to what I said. I don’t want to sail with women, faggots, or weakniggers.
I’d bet my bottom dollar you got baby arms and a bitchy attitude, forcing the crew to help you and tolerate your shit.

Cool black niggers all good in my book if they work or cook well, but you just sound like a niggerfaggot, faggot.
>>
>>1853975
>>1853565
Ive sailed with my fair share of both as an MSClet. I swear to Christ that every homesteader white deckie on that ship was bisexual, including the captain, bosun, OS, and AB. The way they would stare at each other while drunk was ridiculous. Couldn’t shut up about how they were “sucking dick tonight”, probably the result of too many Thai ladyboys. But they weren’t bad, knew their shit enough. I just would never hang out with them outside of work
The black lesbo EU I sailed with was fine, inner city girl so she was hard enough. The black navigator gurl I sailed with was great.
The blackspic female wiper was useless. The Indian grandma wiper was useless until she went to supply and became a cook, then she was great. The female white third mate I worked with was awesome. Luckily none of them were hot, I sailed with hot girls in the academy and they were way too distracting. I had a blonde Norwegian teaching me c-nav with an ass bigger than the summer triangle
>>
is weed considered degenerate in the industry.
are there piss tests?
is weed considered contraband on vessels?
>>
>>1854144
Yeah that drug thats banned in 9/10 countries and stays in your piss for months is very welcome. They love having to hand over your ass to the authorities for smoking a doobie 3 weeks before you stepped on board in assfuckistan. Not to forget a moron who brings it on board, thus making everyone complicit in international drug smuggling.
>>
Not sure if this is the correct thread, but how can I get into sailing as a hobby, and what can I realistically achieve? I'm 35 and have money to spend on whatever, but no experience or anything. Do these lessons look like a good place to start, and do the prices look reasonable?
https://www.kirklandsailingclub.org/ADULT-US-SAILING-COURSES
Thanks
>>
>>1854380
The thread is meant for commercial mariners but since you're here:
Get an adaquate amount of experience/lessons on the type of sailing vessel you want to sail with
Familiarize yourself with navigation, best startingpoint is paper charts, dont solely rely on GPS
Stamp the COLREGs in your head before you end up disrupting commercial traffic
Start sailing with an old fart to teach you all the fine tricks and you should be good
>>
File: 45272486.jpg (44 KB, 460x460)
44 KB
44 KB JPG
>>1830802
I'm 29 now will be 30 in a few months, I really don't want to go to college at this age. I might just dive into this, I've been in dead end security guard work for years which my job is easy, I make decent money for what the job is, but I feel I could be doing better.

The idea of working several months straight than having several months off sounds appealing to me. What other careers have that type of work/life balance? I'm guessing least oil rig workers have that as well.
>>
>>1853116
>I’m a bi-transgender man
I'd rather not spend several months stuck with a troon, a real woman would already be bad enough. If we started getting troons onboard I'd have to look into a career change but I think troons in this industry least onboard would be rare but I've been wrong before.
>>
MSC trying to tell me i can’t sail as QMED deck machinist until i get my rfpew unlimited, this makes no sense, anyone know if its true or a lie?
>>
>Instagram notification that one of my contacts is now on Instagram
>the link brings me to some profile of an e-girl gamer dressing up in cosplay
>I don’t know this person, but their last name is… familiar
>squint
>it’s this nutcase navy dropout MAN I met in MSC
>he’s now posting as a trans e-girl on Instagram
>squint harder
>location: Naval Base Guam
>oh my God
>he’s doing this on a ship
I don’t think I was supposed to see this Instagram profile, probably enabled contacts by accident
>>
>>1854672
>I really don't want to go to college at this age.
why not? because people will make fun of you?
bitch please.
>>
>>1854886
I don't have anything in common with these zoomers so just going for the college experience doesn't make sense and it's American higher education not exactly cheap here I've gone this long without ever going into debt might as well keep at it. Main reason I didn't go straight to college when I graduated was because I didn't want to take out loans, it was expensive back than and it's even worse now.

I can live with not making 6 figs for a few years anyway in a new industry, I'd be able to save so much. Looking at the wages I'd be making least 20k more than I do right now anyway so it would be an upgrade regardless.

Taking 4 years out of my adult life to get a degree now would be a fucking pain in the ass, 1 or 2 years of paid training would be a different story.
>>
>>1855030
Depending on where you go, starting wage for OS/Wiper is $180-$250 per day. 180 sea days required to take the QMED/Oiler test, and that'll usually get you between $250-$350 per day.
740 days required for 4000 horsepower 500 ton engineer license, the smallest license that anyone will hire for. That usually earns $400-$500 per day.
1080 days for unlimited horsepower 500 ton engineer. $450-$550 per day.
1800 days for unlimited horsepower 1600 ton Chief engineer, $500-$650 per day.

Most places youll get 1.5 sea days for every actual day worked, if youre on a boat for 24 hours. Day boats would be just 1 standard sea day.

It usually comes out to 6 months for QMED, 3 years for 4000HP engineer, 5-6 for unlimited horsepower, and 7 for Chief limited tonnage.

4000HP can net you 6 figures or just below it if you work somewhere with the higher pay and they work you 200+ days per year.

Alaska/PNW has the highest wages outside of Gulf oil, but gulf oil will require a lot of other endorsements for STCW and safety, and they generally dont hire entry level.

SUI can get you a lot of training to start, for free.
>>
>>1855030
>>1855316
I should add that this is the advancement route for the Hawsepipe/on the job training/experience.
The advantage of academy/college is you'll graduate with all the endorsements/certs required for deep sea and gulf oil, whereas doing it yourself you'll end up having to take all those certificate classes over time at your own expense. They range from $1000 to $4000 each and theres quite a few.
If you get on with a major company they may pay for the classes or have their own USCG certified training courses, as does SIU.
>>
File: old salt.jpg (49 KB, 418x454)
49 KB
49 KB JPG
Adding a woman to an all-male team usually has corrosive effects. Shifts the vibe from cooperation to competition. Guys wanting to impress. Less off color jokes and banter. More compliance to company rules.
Always remember: no simping!
>>
>>1855316
>SUI can get you a lot of training to start, for free.
Looked into it, very cheap route and I don't live to far away from the school. I'd be taking a financial hit not working for a year due to insurances and other things but I've been wanting to ditch the car now anyway. SUI for me would make lot more sense least for me, it's not to long at least.
>>
How do ships manage fresh water for drinking? Is it just a case of fill up a tank at a port?
>>
>>1855582
They either have reverse osmosis systems on smaller vessels or flash evaporators on bigger ones.

>>1855562
Sounds like a good place to start. Just don’t let them push you onto MSC ship contracts, and be aware that SIU really doesn’t offer anything for licensed officers once you get to that level, as far as officer contracts on vessels.
I’m SIU and an officer but I got hired by my company without going through SIU and joined the union later.
>>
>>1854871
link that shit
>>
>>1855432
On the other hands, girls are cute.
>>
>>1855637
Fag
>>
File: you.png (282 KB, 720x818)
282 KB
282 KB PNG
>>1855637
>>
>>1855739
lol, I look like this when I don't shave
>>
>>1830802
Asking fellow Americans how many of you live outside of the US when you aren't at sea? To me seems the US ain't worth the rising cost of living, and my city is also going to shit due to rising crime so I've been thinking about living abroad somewhere else where the US dollar will go even further. I assume it's possible long as you fly to the port city you need to be at when you go back out on the seas.
>>
>>1856048
A lot of people do it, mostly in South America or sea
>>
>>1830797
Any SUNY grads lurking here? the gigashitbox is leaving tomorrow, in case y'all didn't know. If your in the area, i recommend seeing her off.
>T. SUNY deckie



Delete Post: [File Only] Style:
[Disable Mobile View / Use Desktop Site]

[Enable Mobile View / Use Mobile Site]

All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective parties. Images uploaded are the responsibility of the Poster. Comments are owned by the Poster.