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>>1825378america was like the bottom pic for the last 100 yearshowever, that grandpa defo had a big ol' barge at 16, and "playing outside" to him includes wrenching on the ol' rust bucketbut the kid at 16 never turned a screw on a bicycle, nevermind a car
>>1825378Lol it would be more accurate if they showed rows of suburban hell houses with big front and back yards and kids playing in cul de sacs
Why don’t you go outside anymore?Outside they built:
>>1825400but that's the coolest outside ever.i could just walk forever in that outside, and when i get tired i can hop onto subway and get home
>communist stonetoss rip off>left can't neme>urbanite faggot problemslol.. LMAO even
>>1825401Tokyo. rent free
>>1825381>that grandpa defo had a big ol' barge at 16I honestly thought that was just in the films- uhh sorry "movies".
>>1825378>Hugh Jassalso i found the amogus
>>1825378Should have made a caption that should have had Europe on top with one person saying "Oh hey my bike does not work, i am going to take the Train instead" and on the bottom the American goes "oh my car will not start, i guess i will just walk 4 hours to my job"
>>1825413nah. america is a car country. there are boys who have girl hands and can't wrench, these buy toyotas and volkswagens that never fail (except they do and it's a job for their dad to fix them), but every man who doesn't have a car before they can marry is a raging homosexual. and even then, many of those folks get cars too, to sneak away and mingle with their kind, i don't agree with them but i respect their dedication.it's the new generation that prefers to chat with their (possibly homosexual) friends through their phones. it's so easy! you don't have to go anywhere! all this car nirvana, this freedom we've built, and they just use radiowaves. frickin' radiowaves!and don't even try to be all smug about your "public transport" and "walkable cities" garbage, these assholes with mouths don't want to walk either, just eat, shit and smear bits of that food and shit over a bit of glass in their hand.
>>1825479>don't even try to be all smug about your "public transport" and "walkable cities" garbage, these assholes with mouths don't want to walk either.Not that anon but unless you have experienced it you do not even know how great it is.
>>1825491might be the greatest thing god has conjured, they still ain't using any of that shit.
>>1825399>suburban hell houses with big front and back yards and kids playing in cul de sacsGod it sounds terrible! are there fire pits and decks and pellet smokers and late model convertibles being waxed by bald men?
>>1825505Source: Dude Trust Me.
lol, you guys sound like a bunch of fat kids making excuses why you can't grab a camelback, some spf100 and go out in the 100 degree heat. buncha pussies.I can go FullGas @95 degrees, 60% humidity for 90 minutes without food or water before I start getting squirrley. Get better, /n/
>>1825381Gramps had a community and 50 people he knew in the neighborhood, today the kid is driven 20 minutes to school and is the last white family on the block
>>1825378I don't understand why the boomer is asking that question, the kid's using the very device that's keeping him from going outside.
>>1825378yea maybe you should fix that by not raising your kids in urbanised hellholes
>>1825378Ironically, urban upbringing makes you more likely to become addicted to the internet-https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/18/18/9890/htm>Urban living was reported to be one of the determinants of CIU [2,6,7]. This association has been shown in various countries and cultures including Greece, China and Japan, based on various questionnaires such as the Internet Addiction Test (IAT) and the Compulsive Internet Use Scale (CIUS). Several possible mechanisms have been proposed to explain the association between urban living and CIU. First, common mental disorders such as depression and anxiety , and non-clinical psychological distress , are more prevalent in urban areas. These conditions have been associated with CIU [10,11]. Thus, other mental health conditions may mediate the association between urban living and CIU. Second, CIU has been reported to be associated with lower social support . Social support tends to be lower in urban areas . Lack of social support may be another factor underlying the association between urban living and CIU. However, some studies still report an excess prevalence of CIU in urban settings after adjusting for these covariates . Further studies are needed to investigate the reason why CIU is more prevalent in urban settings.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25780842/>The adolescents living in urban areas showed a significantly greater intensity of Internet and computer addiction symptoms measured by the KBUI Questionnaire, compared to those living in rural areas.Sure explains some of the posters on here!
>>1825600The divide there is urban vs. rural. Suburban areas are considered urban for that purpose. Rural areas are less likely to have high speed internet access.
>>1825642Plus who is more isolated than me in a 4000sf house I dont know a single neighbor and I get 1tb down. Suburbs can be more isolated than the city. Only rich people have big enough apartments to never go down in the street in Splendid Isolation.
>>1825378I feel like the lefty-sphere discovered a thing to be mad about in like the past few years and just moved on from posting about Bernie and the DNC all day and now they're posting doomer NUMTOT memes about "this is what they took from you". Like, I don't know if it's NJB's fault or something else but after his StrongTowns videos dropped, all of a sudden millennials and zoomers seemed to inexplicably care about urban planning.
>>1825381I'm a Millennilol, played outside when I was a kid, played video games inside, turned a wrench on my first rust bucket at 16 too. People complained about kids not going outside back then as well, things don't change, just old people being old, complaining about the sky falling or something
>>1825652Interesting, but the science would seem to disagree with you- > The team found that people’s self-reported loneliness increased by 2.8 per cent for every additional 1000 housing units within 1 kilometre of their home, while their self-reported social isolation increased by 11.4 per cent.
>>1825814>Increased overcrowding and population density were associated with higher levels of loneliness
>>1825763It’s not just ex-left wing posters, it’s actually a lot of ex-right wing guys too. Really the whole urbanism thing is just a way for people whose brains were broken by the 2016-2020 propaganda assault to satiate their addiction to getting into political arguments online while allowing them to pretend they’re still too cool for electoral politics and like so above that now that it’s more mainstream. But I guarantee like 99% of these people have extensive political post history on twitter or similar
>>1825819Absolutely trueImo the basis for effective urban planning has roots in civil engineering, something most of the urbanist parrots don't even have a cursory understanding of
>>1825515>CamelbackHow often do you run 20 miles?
No fucking way.This hack ripped off a year old tweet and is passing it off as an original concept.
>>1825876>boomer: why don't you kids spend time in the cul-de-sacs and yards of the urban sprawls like we did>zoomiezoom: YOU MAKE LE CAR PARKS IN THE MIDDLE OF A CITYWhat the fuck does this even mean? Is this implying that zoomers live in car parks? Are zoomers too stupid to afford a home in urban sprawl?
>>1825882>Are zoomers too stupid to afford a home in urban sprawl?Zoomers can't even afford a house to begin with.
>>1825479lurk moar newfag
>>1825410z.ozzle... im in your walls??m...
>>1825882>is a child being told to play outside too stupid to own a housethanks anon, really makes me think
>>1826202Fuck outta here zoomie
>>1825763This is why religion is so important in society: these retards don't really care what they're bitching about they just crave the endorphin spike that belonging to a group working for a supposedly higher cause brings. So, since they're going to bitch and whine and scream no matter what, you might as well give them something innocuous to play with: people demanding you attend church and swearing on their mother's grave they saw Jesus on their toast might be annoying as shit but they're nowhere near as dangerous as people demanding you eat the bugs and swearing on their mother's grave they saw racism on their toast.
>>1825378the age of cars is over. boomers will seethe and dilate as we put them in care-corrals and lay light rail and greenbelts overtop their godforsake intracity megahighways. strip malls? new apartment buildings. stroads? tram and greenbelt. they say we can't have light rail because "there is nowhere to put it" and ooh what is this? boomers already paved over a perfect strip for our light rail to go on. we just need to move the fucking cars off it.
>>1826402You guys are obsessed with boomers
>>1825378This is retarded zoomer copeStreets haven't changed in layout since the 1950sBoomer "outside" is the same thing as now
>>1826406They're going to be blaming boomers for their woes in 50 years, too. They can't function without a tidy scapegoat to lash out at.
>>1826324I've never seen libtards execute people for not being libtards
>>1826431real answer is: yes they were parasites and now they're gone for good.
>>1826431>communism death is when government sanctioned genocide and famine>capitalism death is when dead at 102 from old age
>>1826431Yeah I didn't know about this person until this thread but jesus christ I hate lefties.
>>1826464>blonde and blue eyes>this is enough to send faggots, trannies and mutts into seethe cope dilate meltdownkek
>>1826464It's jealous as hell.
>>1826459Tbf communism would do the same thing
>>1825763>And out of nowhere, for no reason, a bunch of people started caring about urban planning in the last few yearsI wonder if anything happened these last few years.Like some kind of big thing.Maybe something that stuck tons of Americans inside, perhaps followed up by rent, gas, and groceries skyrocketing.It's not a hard formula to grasp. When economic times get tough, people demand for something to change. Historically it's always worked like that.
>>1826785>communism>anyone to whom it may concern is starvingYou don't say.
>>1825528>>1825378It’s not directly to do with what “outside” looks like, but that’s part of it. Really it’s just social inertia — it’s harder to bike 20 - 30 minutes each way than it is to just stay home on the Internet. But back in the day, your only option was to go outside, even if it was just to the library so you could nerd out. It also depends on the local culture. Until I was five, my family lived in suburban PA. Real spread out, practically rural. But we knew and hung out with all the neighbor kids. Then we moved to California, and despite the houses being much closer together, I almost never talked to the neighborhood kids. Even that could vary; my friends lived closer to school, so their neighborhood was a little more lively. This was just before the rise of social media.It would have been nice to have a functional bus system to take me to my friends, but that wasn’t the root cause.
>>1825410> someone online posts a cartoon style comic with any underlying message> OMG!!1!1 is this a stonetoss refernce???please go outside
>>1826464>unironically retweeting Vaushfucking hell
>>1826907The left can't meme.
>>1825410>>1826907Political cartoons were invented by the right.
>>1825378Glad I grew up in Montana honestly
>>1826431>ERM... EXACTLY A ROUND FRACTION OF 1/3 OF ALL DEATHS ARE 3/3 ATTRIBUTED TO CAPITALISM BECAUSE... BECAUSE IT JUST IS, OKAY?
>>1826464she's a qt
>>1826785>b-but communismKill yourself
Go back to qa, oh wait AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH!
>>1825378Boomers ruined our landscapes and say it's our fault
>>1826907>> someone online posts a cartoon style comic with any underlying message>> OMG!!1!1 is this a stonetoss refernce???Would be an actual argument under normal circumstances but Breadpanes is legit just left-wing Stonetoss. There were more obvious Stonetoss copies for various political view but most of them got banned. It was a trend some time ago.
>>1826464[Skinny] + [Mediterranean white] + [3-11 hair] + [light brown / green eyes] is my favorite.
>>1825506You have kids playing? Do you base your perception of the world on ed edd n eddy?
>>1825506Kids don’t play outside in the suburbs anymore. What if a car comes by and takes the kids with no one noticing? Or what if they wander into the road and get hit by a car not paying attention? It’s better to keep the kids inside, then yell at the kids for always being on the computer and being lazy all the time, but don’t allow them to go outside or take them anywhere.
>>1825600he says unironically while using the internet.
>>1825381>america was like the bottom pic for the last 100 yearsno. 60-70 at worst.
>>1825400that's a pretty nice outside, retard. there's endless amounts of shit to get up to in a fairly small area.
A lot of it is just excuses. Young people these days are lazy, and the parents are terrible parents. It's easy to blame the outside, and maybe it has some truth to it, but kids are fat and lazy in Europe too where the outside is good.
>>1827981Europe copied America quite a bit with the newly flattened planes after WWII and several nationalistic socialist projects prior to the wars. You see how Germany raves about the efficiency of the Autobahn, the UK talks about traffic on one highway, and all of these car projects across the continent. You can even look at the rates of single passenger car commuters, and see they’ve been increasing just like the US.Most of Europe is like the US, but only a couple decades behind. Your kids aren’t as fat or as lazy as those in the US, yet.
>>1825506kids haven't played outside for like 30 years
>>1827981>in Europe [...] the outside is goodThat's a rather simplistic and naive view.
>>1825400density means a lot of friends within 1km
>>1828336lots of stabbies as well
>>1828357How many times have you been the victim of a violent crime?
>>1828359That's an indictment of capitalism tbdesu
>>1825381Petrosexuals have ruined this country.
>>1828498stay mad fare bear
>>1828359At one point they also saved it from drowning in literal horse shit, so it's fair they ruin it back.
>>1829634Oh, I meant to reference >>1828498 not >>1828359
>>1827832boomers ruined our economy and say it's our fault
>>1825763>google what the fuck NUMTOT is>it has a Wikipedia article>not marked for deletionfug
>>1825763>>1826324>Realize shit around you could be better>A lot better>Feel compelled to express yourself, discussing these matters, and committing to action in the hope of improving shit>"Weird, why are they doing this?", "This is bad", "Why don't they let things be and just distract themselves instead?"It's almost like people actually look around them and interact with their surroundings, forming opinions on it! Fucking wow!An opposite mindset to it would leave a basement to flood every spring instead of fixing bad drainage. People wanting to fix dysfunctional things is normal, despite the fact that their solutions and approaches might vary.
>>1827386The planet has a caloric surplus, a significant one. For instance, 40% of food goes to waste in the United States alone. But it's rather thrown away and poisoned with bleach than handed out to the hungry. There are technologies for production and distribution that could solve these problems, but implementing these on a global scale wouldn't be profitable (enough), or would at least require a huge investment which corporations are unwilling to risk. So people go unfed.Water issues could be solved, the technologies exist. But as above, big costs and low to no profits do not incentivize solving them. So people die of dehydration or unsanitary water sources.And millions die of treatable illnesses each year, because there isn't a profit to be made in curing them.Hell, it's more profitable to treat their symptoms, to keep them sick, than actually cure them. Similarly, hunger or thirst won't be solved, because it's more profitable to extort a price with the threat of scarcity, than it is to actually ensure everyone is fed. To keep societies sick with hunger and thirst, in a sense.So yes, an economic system does set the incentives and boundaries by which decisions are made. As such, that system bears some responsibility for the consequences its incentives have created.
>>1828505ugly ass style
>>1825528>>1827932>>1828498Read and weap /n/igger subhumans
>>1831173Trains should come back but only to white neighborhoods. tickets should be priced to match existing gas prices, so poors can't ride.
>>1830941Bro food doesn’t just go away lol those starving africans just live in a shithole and nobody wants to be a farmer and shipping costs are ridiculous
>>1831173>Implying cars, roads and even petrol aren't incredibly subsidized
>>1831173>Roads paid for fully by you, the people>Companies get to use roads to transport goods while the damages their massive vehicles cause to them are completely paid by you, the people.>Have to make payments over time for a depreciating asset and get your MANDATORY car insurance, good goym.>These massive cities cost a lot of money, good thing those goym are more than happy to pay for it all!>Not only are the goym okay with paying all these prices to keep us afloat, they're actually PROUD of doing it!
>>1825381>america was like the bottom pic for the last 100 yearswrong
>>1827917>>1827927I know you guys had overprotective parents who didn't let them play but yeah we have a few Ed Edd and Eddys crews/bottle kids on our street who play outside because its summer and their parents are sick of their shit.There's a couple black families in our big neighborhood and the kids had a big black vs white tackle football game out there. It predictably ended a few plays in after someone superman laid out the black qb and he got knocked unconscious.I ride my bike around the neighborhood daily so I get all the gossip from Karens, Mildreds and Bottle Kids
>>1831701>Companies get to use roads to transport goods while the damages their massive vehicles cause to them are completely paid by you, the people.This is completely false. The majority of road $$$ comes from the federal and state gas taxes which tax cars and trucks based on their use of gasoline-at the pumps itself. A dump truck gets 5mpg while my Toyota gets 40mpg. They pay more at the pump than I do for the same road. What they will have to do as more people move to electric is institute a yearly tax on e-cars so that it covers the 25 cents per gallon the government gets now.
>>1831691>implying they are
>>1831701>>1832233Commercial vehicles pay a highway tax based on miles driven that's independent from gas tax.Also, regardless of who pays more for gas, it seems extremely unreliable to trust the fuel tax to pay for roads, even with trucks.
>>1831173>you WILL buy a car>and you'll be HAPPY
>>1832238>Also, regardless of who pays more for gas, it seems extremely unreliable to trust the fuel tax to pay for roads, even with trucks.if you think about it- not that bad of an idea. It makes you pay more per mile driven. The other option is a sales tax on trucks and that wouldn't truly capture the $$ of someone who rides a dump truck 50k miles a year vs a local dump truck that does maybe 12k a year.The government is a fucking idiot in a lot of things but Gas Tax to pay for use of roads seems like a brilliant idea.
>>1832245The gas tax is good in theory but the switch to electric and high efficiency vehicles gimps it. How do you tax power without disadvantaging people who aren't driving? People can always charge at home instead of a "pump".Maybe some sort of digital log of how much you've traveled that's paid similar to commercial highway taxes, but nobody's going to want that.
>>1832247Oh yeah and electric cars are subsidized heavily so you're getting even less theoretical money to pay for road wear caused by heavier cars.
>>1832236are you retarded?roads and car manufacturing are heavily subsidized it's not even a secret it's something everyone knows For an individualist you sure loves AMERICAN SUBSIDIZED HIGHWAY THAT GENERATE ABSOLUTELY NO REVENUES. Like seriously I can’t imagine these free market loving shit head can talk about how free market is awesome and greed is good but then try to justify billion of dollars in government subsidized highway infrastructure that generate no revenues as opposed to transits that generate revenues everyday. Or all those parking lots that are built and left unused that could have turned into corner stores that people can walk to and shop.
>>1832334>Highway infrastructure is required for transportation including goodsSame with every other method of transportation? Like trains, planes, and boats?I can't really believe that a cross-country road trip is going to be faster or more efficient than rail.
>>1832334>Also don't ignore how heavily subsidized public transportationso little it's irrelevanti know you're one of those retards afraid of the war on car in the US of all places lmaoabsolutely retarded you don't even know how much public money goes into roads
>>1832384Not enough to ensure freedom. Meanwhile /n/iggers don't even pay taxes for infrastructure.
>>1831173> he doesn't know that US interstate system was a federal project
>>1825378Literally only a cityfag problem, and it's been like that since the 40s. Whoever made this comic is a fucking retard.
>>1831607>shipping COSTS>shitty condition to be a farmer, which could be improved, at A COSTYeah, that's what I said. If it was a matter of actually resolving those issues, they could be. The tools and resources exist, but a non-resource issue saps any will to do so. Because it would lead to "a loss"
>>1832494And what of the hungry farmer paradox? Environmental concerns from all that extra shipping and infrastructure? What about the power that could be obtained from essentially having an impoverished nation in your debt, and that nations may refuse to receive aid precisely for that reason?
>>1832391no way you're not trollingeveryone that pays taxes pays for road infrastructures, you can't pay selective taxesare these the people you argue with on the daily /n/?
>>1832705>what is road tax>what is car tax>what is fuel tax>meanwhile /n/iggers leeching
>>1832544Yeah. That's all a part of it.No contradiction.
>>1832717except for the part where none of these concerns are exclusive to capitalism you moron
>>1832706you pay the car and fuel tax because you use themeveryone pays road taxes
>>1833128/n/iggers don't pay road tax.
>>1825814>>1825815Now adjust for racial homogeneity
>>1825400>Japan is first world
>>1825400post the street view you double faggot
>>1834416It's almost like aerials are no indicator whatsoever for a liveable ground level scale.
>>1833130DumbassRoads are funded from income tax
>>1825763>all of a sudden millennials and zoomers seemed to inexplicably care about urban planningits the agenda 21 great reset bots/shills AstroTerfing support >>1830863yep >>1826324>that piclol but it's like occupy wallstreet when they introduced identity politics.. theyll always have some nonthreatening, nonspiritual, sterile corporate fad for the masses to distract and divide them
>>1834857>Time to pay road tax, /n/igger.
>>1831604Then why take the train?>>1831173Based
>>1826324>This is why religion is so important in society: these retards don't really care what they're bitching about they just crave the endorphin spike that belonging to a group working for a supposedly higher cause bringsall ideology is religion without God
>>1837548>no argument>shitty memeGuess I'm spot on then.
>>1825378Ted was right about everything and is better outside but I reevaluated kick em out till Tea time parenting after I had a baby last year and I come home from work to see the local street kids in my front garden playing with baby blocks my wife had left out because they have so little to do kicking about the Cul de Sac all day.
>>1838020So, when will you start to pay for the infrastructure you demand?
>>1838021Every time I fill up, pay my registration, or purchase any good or service. When are you going to pay the full price for the transit and bike infrastructure you demand?
>>1838059The only infrastructure I demand for public transit and bike faggots is cattle wagons to the oven.
>>1825763>>1825819>>1826096>>1826789>>1830933>>1834880Yimbys have existed for 15 years now....
>>1833221thisIf Chicago, London, and Montreal had the demographics now that they had 100 years ago they'd be heavens on Earth.
>>1832232I can attest to this. I walked around the residential areas of my car dependent city recently and saw children playing outside and people hanging outside their houses. Everyone would look at me bewildered because I'm not from that area. If everyone stayed inside their houses and there was no community they wouldn't have noticed I wasn't from there.
>>1838122>ChicagoAre you aware that 100 years ago majority of american cities were full of ethnic neighborhoods that barely interacted with outside world?
>>1838179>ethnicyeah like the irish and czechs? oh nooooooo
>>1838189Don't forget the Italians, Jews, Arabs, and Hispanics
>>1828414you will never have your board back
>>1825876ffs he even copied the fucking subway sign
>>1834416yeah its always stupid to judge an area based on an aerial view
>>1838960>>1825876Not to give him any excuse but this tweet has been ripped off by every Twitter YIMBY with very little variation. The only original thing is that he drew the image instead of just doing an image search of “random highway USA”
>>1839041maybe he deserves credit for not tracing
>>1825378I had a conversation like this with my dad when I was a kid. He asked why I didn't bike around. I said I didn't want to die, and reminded him of a couple of classmates of mine who'd died just that year or the year before from being struck by cars.Have multiple yearbooks with two-page spreads dedicated to the other kids who died from getting hit.
>>1825378> Drive like a real AmericanWhere I'm at, there's a billboard in Spanish, "go with everything". I already hate these spics driving without insurance (and they are shitty drivers), now in the past twenty years they're driving SUVs and pickups instead of sedans and smaller cars.
>>1825528Maybe if he moved from the country into the city, otherwise community sizes and accessability have remained largely static. It’s really more a matter of parents restricting their kids’ access to the outdoors and providing them with distractions to avoid socialization.>1960s>Parents go to work>Get out of the house son>Expected to wander town until dinner>2020s>Parents go to work>Don’t leave the house>Don’t have friends over>Here’s an xbox and ipad we also have netflix, hulu, and amazon prime plus internet access
>>1825515>Covered in moles by 18>Skin cancer at 45Not everyone is black.
>>1825515Because they literally don’t go outside lol it’s all a larp
>>1825515>90 minutes without food or water>Brings a camelback
>>1825515No you can't. Heat stroke is real and disagrees with your internet boasting.
>>1832384>not having a car is dystopianOh sorry, she's actually being more retarded than that.>not having a large internal combustion car is dystopianauto-pigs are broken in the head
>>1841255You do know that sunscreen exists, right?
>>1841399>Restricting access to personal movement isn't dystopianIt's a lot easierA large part of my issue with the anti-car crowd is that their argument generally starts out as "lets make the inner cities more friendly to foot traffic if not carfree" and they keep expanding that into suburbs and as the rural transport thread illustrates even rural areas where it makes zero sense. In a world where the government can say "nah you aren't getting on a plane" because they think you might be a threat to the government I can't say I'm excited at the idea of all long distance transit being mass transit that can be easily restricted by those in power.
>>1841465People want to expand your access to personal movement by allowing for other forms of transport.Right now it's "Buy a car or die on the street because you can't work. Better hope gas prices don't go up or our country collapses."Frankly it's a national security issue on top of everything else.
>>1841476>People want to expand your access to personal movement by allowing for other forms of transport.Except for the number of people opposed to cars in all cases and seeking to restrict access or ability to store a car even outside of urban areas.>Right now it's "Buy a car or die on the street because you can't work."Buses are a thing in pretty much every city in the US and many suburbs. They aren't good but it's less because lack of investment and more because all American social programs and infrastructure in all cases are ass. Besides cars are better than public transit because you can more easily live in your car without being accosted by police than a bus or subway. I should know I've slept in my honda civic in many Walmart parking lots and the monthly payments on a Honda civic are a fraction of the rent in even the shittiest apartments in a suburban or urban area outside of perhaps Detroit or another depopulated city where you could just sleep in an abandoned house for free.>Better hope gas prices don't go up or our country collapsesAnd you are basing this concern on what?
>>1841482>Buses are a thing... They aren't goodgee, if only there were someone advocating for improved transit>And you are basing this concern on what?By the national freakout every time gas prices go up even a little.
>>1841492>gee, if only there were someone advocating for improved transitYou won't improve the organization of American mass transit because it is AMERICAN mass transit. By all means make more railroads and bike lanes but if you expect that America will ever have any transit system as efficient as those of Europe or Japan your downright delusional. Most pro car people don't give much of a shit about public transit they give a shit when people go out of their way to make their main form of transportation as inconvenient or downright impossible to use as possible and then force it on other communities. You know what I would do if my town decided to build a subway system? Nothing. You know what I would do if my town decided to make downtown a car-free area? Stop going downtown. You know what I would do if my town narrowed several major roads to add greenspace? Protest and if that failed to stop the measure, move. I'm not gonna actively oppose greenspace or public transit but fuck the people who try to actively restrict the lifestyles of others while pretending they have a moral high ground.>By the national freakout every time gas prices go up even a little.There's a national freakout every time house prices decrease, might as well try to end private ownership of property because it might collapse the country.
>>1841476I mean owning a car does give you a way bigger job pool than what’s accessible by walking or transit
>>1825400you can clearly see it's a good walkable place even from above, are you retarded?
>>1832706>Br*tish people thinking their precious road and gas taxes actually pay for the roads as the pothole in Rotherham celebrates its 18th birthday
>>1825410>stonetoss ripoffhis style is all over the place, but he puts a lot more detail in it than stonetoss ever has. 2500x2500, who makes comics at this resolution?
>>1825378My front yard isn't a strip mall.
>>1831173He's not wrong.This is how we got Amtrak.Congress cobbled together all the failed railroad assets and nationalized it. Government bailout for the railroads.
>>1825378As a kid raised in a suburb it went something like this:5-10 you play outside in the suburbs with local kids, you play with balls and toys, and bike around the suburb looking for things to do10-16 you stay indoors and play videogames because playing with a ball is boring now, and you can't go anywhere16+ you can drive and start going out with your friends to do stuffThat 10-16 period is very formative for kids. That's middle school and most of highschool.
>>184449810-16 was when I picked up skating and hung out with other people and girls more than ever, a lot of it literally in parking lots, I think you’re just a loser.
>>1844498I played outside with kids until I was 13, then it started to shift over to online games but I still went outside since not all of my friends played video games.That being said this was 20 years ago, who knows what kids today do.
>>1825400Comfy and all your buddies' homes are a short walk away.
>>1844550If you were within walking/skating range of these other people then you were just lucky.My friends were all too far away for anything but a car.
Almost every kid I see around where I live has their own ebike. Elementary to middle schoolers, not around high schoolers so I'm not sure if it's the same deal with them. One time I talked to some parents who bought their kid an ebike and the kid gets to school on his own, goes wherever he wants on his own, and has no desire to get a car or drivers license. Everything he wants to go to is within biking distance. It's pretty based.
>>1830941>>1832494Omg you're so right! Y'know, if you feel so strongly about it there's nothing to stop you from doing it for free. All you have to do is acquire the training necessary to pilot a cargo plane/ship and purchase a jet/ship to navigate across the atlantic ocean and deliver all that stale bread and rotting table scraps to Africa! Be the change you want to see in the world anon! White saviors unite!
>>1825400>>1825399>>1825378It's not teh buildings so much as the people. Niggers means high crime rates which means outside is unsafe
>>1831173>retards see a big machine and idolize itthe irony is unmeasurable
>>1832233>The dumptruck pays 8 times as much in gas taxes so it's fine they pay for themselves.>Nevermind it weighs 8 times as much>Because road damage by vehicle weight is an exponential factor, that dump truck is literally doing over 1,000 times more damage to the road.This is why you're a good goy.You haven't realized you're paying significantly more money per how much damage you do to the road than that dump truck is, and you'll call it fair.
>>1825378From my experience (as a zoomer), if you want to play outside:Leftist Parents>Nooo don't play outside its dangerous>What if you get a cold stay home>Don't play with this guy, he has a bad influence on you>You can play but ONLY in the garden where I can see you>Don't dare you get dirty!Conservative parents >Yeah sure thing, but please don't take animal bones back home this timeI don't want to argue the whole left vs right debate, but it's ironic that Leftist who live in cities, which are mostly governed by Leftist complain about kids not being able to play outside while conservatives who live in rural areas without leftist influce let their children play outside all the time.
>>1828336People posting car trolling shit on the dead /n/ board are friendless incels, anon. Even in Kowloon they would be forever alones.
>>1847720The craziest thing is car niggers really do think they pay their fair share for the road and that cyclists should pay taxes. When in reality road infrastructure worldwide is subsidized by everyone because car+gas tax doesn't cover the costs.The same car niggers who then say trains/trams/subways/buses are not "profitable", as if a public service should be run for profit and not AS A FUCKING SERVICE.But then again, if they were capable of reflection past "me vroom vroom where I want so good" they could understand such basic concepts.So where is my check in reparations from car niggers?>>1848031Anecdata gonna anecdata, my experience was the opposite.Conservative parents who wouldn't let me play outside because it was dangerous (too many cars, danger of kidnapping, have no oversight).At least until I was 13 years old when they let me roam free. To get to my best friend's house on the other suburb in town I had to cross a four lane road with no sidewalks, crosswalks or street lights. With the only option being a long ass detour and overpass bridge going around a mountain. Back then there were no bike lanes at all and no traffic calming measures. I almost got run over a couple times because I was a retarded fucking kid.What could have been a 15 minute walk was a 1 hour walk if I didn't want to risk getting run over just to hang out with my best friend from the neighboring suburb.The same kind of car dependence that brainwashed my parents into driving the car to downtown and parking there to go for a walk, instead of walking there, which was faster because of traffic and having to find a parking space.
>>1846259Ebikes are fine for kids because they'll learn how to control them properly. I hate when adult babies who haven't ridden in 20 years buy one and look like a drunk fleeing the cops.
>>1848031I hate this psyop that there is such thing as a "cool" conservative that hunts, fucks, and just lives and let live.Only incredibly sheltered kids or idiots could believe that.They are busybodies! They're plagued by spectres of satan, homosexuality, and communism. Every kid I knew from a conservative household was banned from playing yugioh or watching cartoons. Don't lie to me and say that doesn't extend to the rest of their lives.
>>1825378go back to /pol/ you retard
>>1825378you're right this is absolute fucking toss
>>1825876lol at the pic being the exact fucing same left hand turn lane
>>1841496Building roads where there aren't roads IS restricting the lifestyles of others, and you're pretending you have the moral high ground just as much.The difference is that one of these results in a dystopian non-society with constant danger around every corner and the other doesn't.
>>1841496>actively restrict the lifestyles of othersTraffic, dangerous roads and soulless asphalt is a lovely way of traffic. I hope those libtard commies don't try to make my town look less like a low quality 3D render with billboards and concrete.
>>1825400There's a lot of small parks in the that picture. Looks comfy.
>>1851120there are rooftop parks as well like in pic related
>>1848031You need to stop posting, hopefully forever. What an absolutely idiotic and nonsensical “Zoomer experience” you have. Now shut the fk up about politics and go play Roblox you pudgy Xanax addict
>>1825876God bless mutt land
>>1851404>>1850155Hit a nerve huh?
>>1851120Not enough for my taste, even dense cities can have more green spaces.
Academia has been on this topic for over a decade now. Keep up with the literature guys:Per Malone (2007): >Children in middle class Australia, and many western countries around the world experiencerestricted opportunities to engage in free play in their neighbourhood streets and parks. The impact of this has been a drastic decrease in children’s independent mobility and environmental play.>Recent research has focused on the physical environment of neighbourhoods’ in an attempt to understand how they might be designed to encourage children’s play and increase their environmental learning. This paper explores these same issues but from a different perspective. That is, to explain some of the changes in childhood environmental behaviours I explore children and parentrelationships, in particular, the phenomena of ‘bubble-wrapping’ children to appease the anxieties of some middle class parents. I acknowledge when making these claims that parenting is a complex and highly individual enterprise with many variables, therefore this paper is only seeking to draw attention to a broad pattern of behaviour of a select group within society. >I will conclude with an overview of some of the key attributes and ompetencies that are being lost when children lack independent mobility in their neighbourhoods and will subsequently argue why opening the front gates of our middle class suburbs is important to enhance children’s environmental learning.
>cityEndless things to do nearby for teens and adults, very limited free roaming for little kids>outskirtsVery few things to do nearby as a teen, adults can just drive to the city to have fun. Good free roaming space for little kids.>medium sized townEnough things to do nearby for teens and adults, both can pobably go to the city by using public transport, major free roaming space for little kids
>>1825381the biggest thing that changed is that it's not safe to go outside because there's nonwhites.
>>1841492>gee, if only there were someone advocating for improved transitNothing you do can ever make a bus anywhere as good as a car.
>>1851956Enjoying those electricity prices?
>>1841404have you never sweat before in your life?
>>1853765>he repliedYou lost.
>>1825378Being outdoors actually is overrated. Nature fags would just stay out if it was so good yet they always come shilling their expensive gear in forums. Ridiculous. Pure 3rd world cope.Stay in out is ded!
>>1855066Lots of research demonstrates a postive relationship between wellbeing and time spent outdoors.
>>1855066I think I'm done with the sofaI think I'm done with the hall
>>1826431In capitalism, if you don't work, nature kills youIn communism, if you don't work, a communist kills you
>>1855793In capitalism if you don't work you die of hunger.In communism you get sent to gulag no matter if you work or no.
>>1830941Yes, because when the USSR was thing they shipped so much food to africa people stopped starving.
>>1855855They shipped it to Ethiopia, because the Ethiopians were also communist. The Ethiopians redistributed it to the refugees. It's called pan-africanism, and it's still going on except now Ethiopia buys grain from Ukraine.
>>1855066I personally like my city's archetecture.
>>1855223But le 4cuck said being a shut in is based and redpilled
>>1838095Socialists have existed for centuries but Breadtube is a recent phenomenon. Same of YIMBYs. It's a type of extremely online YIMBY culture.
>>1844490>ignoring the auto bailout in 2008
>>1852227>>1850155It's true you know. I remember playing with friends of retard religious righwight parents in the suburbs years ago, but then we'd tell them to go home cause we wanted to play Goldeneye and they weren't allowed to.
>>1850924It amazes me how many roads are built in rural America. Its ridiculous. I was visiting my grandparents out in rural America and they have a paved road almost to their doorstep. The only people driving on that road are my grandparents, their neighbors, and USPS. It's such a giant waste of money, especially when ruraltards have these "tough" work trucks.
>>1825378the outside most certainly doesn't look like that!
>>185685890% of muttland looks pretty much like that
>>1825819You are right, I used to be a right wing fascist poster. I was (and still am)>pro small community>pro nature/anti corporate>pro small business/local produce>pro homogenous cultureThat's why I support walkable smaller neighborhoods and reject urban sprawl.Sprawl is massively beneficial to megacorporations who just install franchises, as well as the car lobby jews.A bike is as fascist as it gets, powered only but your own manpower.Small, walkable neighorhoods are frindly and foster cooperation and solidarity, and create a shared culture and love of ones land and people.Small walkable areas are also overwhelmingly mom & pop and local franchise type venues. I much prefer a coffee shop or bakery that is centuries old and feels like it is part of the urban landscape, than a soulless, faceless, corpo-shit franchise like Starbucks.I oppose jewish internationalist propaganda of car dependency and debt slavery. I love my people and I love my land, that's why I want to preserve a local economy and character, a walkable, bikeable, public transit centric hometown.
>>1825378pedestrians malding over based stroads lmao. stroads are perfect because the discriminate against minorities and poors who can't afford real transportation.
>>1825819>to satiate their addiction to getting into political arguments online while allowing them to pretend they’re still too cool for electoral politicsIt's almost quaint how this retarded South Park style "I'm too cool for politics" mindset still survives.
>>1856895For fuck's sake we KNOW already that all you suburbabies are mouth-foaming /pol/cucks ready to subject yourselves to any and all humiliations to avoid meeting a darkie. No need to remind us daily.>>1856882>>pro homogenous cultureIf by this you mean you aren't even against well adjusted black americans, you aren't really fascist anymore mate. Regular natalist socialists like in the early 20th century would be right up your alley. Notice the difference in you and the subhuman faggot's speech.
>>1856895Neck yourself /o/tist
>>1856895Even drivers hate stroads
>>1825479>all this car nirvana, this freedom we've builtare you literally jerking off while you're going 5mph sitting in traffic for hours? how the fuck is that nirvana, u pretentious cocksucker
>>1850572every stroad in america looks exactly the samevery impressive identification skills chump
>>1856946I'm not north american, I'm European. And European fascism wasn't about race (read Franco and Mussolini's takes on race).I don't have an issue with well adjusted minorities, I actually have more of an issue with the immigrants who come here and think the epitome of success is buying a car.
>>1856944>immigrants who come here and think the epitome of success is buying a carThis lmao. Applies especially to slavs and balkanoids for some reason.
>>1857894I was called a loser by a guy (immigrant) who works in a kitchen for not having a car and not dressing like I have money (no Nikes or whatever the fuck).I'm a tech lead and make more than three times his salary.I don't have any contempt for any sort of job and I don't think any worker, physical or otherwise, is beneath me.It was just a wholly bizarre experience that gave me pause.
>>1857893>I don't have an issue with well adjusted minorities, I actually have more of an issue with the immigrants who come here and think the epitome of success is buying a car.Then I wonder what makes you so attached to fascism. Especially if you hate carfaggotry, your options on the right are nonexistent.>>1857901There's a reason the lumpenproletariat was disregarded by marxist theory: beneath a certain educational floor, those people are sadly too deep into the propaganda with no means of critical thinking. That cook was simply told that car+expensive brand clothes were the hallmark of success.
>>1857919Fascism has nothing to do with cars, and I'm not going to vote for any political party that purports itself to be fascist or """right wing""" when they really mean they're corpo-kike puppets and Israel shills.I only vote in local council/town elections to get mayors/council members who are pushing for better public transportation and bike infrastructure. I don't care that a lot of people at the pro-bike rallies have antifa flags/stickers, I'd rather hang out with them than with carbrains.
>>1826431>corporatismThe thing where all the companies of a given industry are forced to come together to form a central board for the sole purpose of colluding with the state?Mussolini's socialism for a nation?
>>1857933but cars are the only reason that monopolized modern central planning has infected every woke shitholewhen was the car invented? a few years before the first world warinfact, the reason it begun in the first place was because of the chauffeur behind the wheel took a wrong turn and was seen by walker assassin bro then shot himcars cucked businesses by forcing them to waste money on more property, more maintenance, more waste and more tax, ultimately making them reliant on the government instead of the community
>>1857967When I said fascism has nothing to do with cars I meant that my hatred for cars has no effect on my fascism.I'd consider myself more of an eco-fascist traditionalist. Like I said, as I explained above, cars are poison for the mind and soul.
>>1825400That looks like my outside.>>1825403>i could just walk forever in that outside, and when i get tired i can hop onto subway and get homeTrust me you don't want to. This shit sucks. Way too dense.
>>1857933>refuses to vote for corpo puppets>hates Israel>votes for better public transport and infrastructure>prefers the company of antifa to cagersWeird but better than the faggot cagers.
>>1857990Btw what's your country ? I'm starting to get curious about your special brand of "fascism".
>>1858529>actually comparing Tokyo to some Serbian shithole
>>1825403>>1858529I love to walk around aimlessly in the dense pats of my city but I also live on the outskirts. I wouldn't want to live in the dense parts where I'd have to walk way more than 20 minutes to reach the next real green space either.
>>1858536Spain. But the fascists of today suck, they are car loving retards.
>>1859120I really don't want to rain on your parade but you're gonna have a hard time finding fascists who align themselves car dependency and for ecology.
>>1858537Literally no difference between the two except your rose-tinted glasses
>>1862895>Literally no difference between the two except your rose-tinted glassesExcept maybe standards of living, modes of administration, educational level of the population, etc.Subhuman slav begone. Go suck Russia's dick pretending your country suffers.
>>1862903>the serbian can only react in "hah triggered!!!"Sad. Keep pretending your shithole city is comparable to Tokyo. Maybe send us a pic of the Croatian Manhattan.
>>1862913Tokyo is the very definition of a high density shithole
>>1862914>Tokyo is a shitholeAlright that's enough cope for today.
>>1862928you've watched too much tranime
>>1862945I don't watch anime. You're just pathetic trying to compare your third world city to one of the capital city of one of the most advanced countries of the world. Stay inferior serb.
>>1862948>one of the most advanced countries of the world>that still uses floppy disks
>>1862951Is pic related you ? Lmao third worlder, keep up the cope.
>>1862959Third worlder = leftists = you
>>1862961>Third worlder = leftists = you>from a serb cockroach sitting in his cave spamming /pol/memesAbsolutely delusional.>>1862972Holy shit that's even worse than I thought.
>>1825767you have no basis for comparison, you have no idea what your adolescence was like compared to other generations’. your take that “civilizations don’t decline” is fucking retarded and only shows how stupid your generation is
>boomer starts ranting and seething the moment anything that contradicts the narrative gets brought uploool
>>1863287Your counterfactual is no more grounded in anything other than anecdote
>>1825381Moved to middle America for a bit from a major city. The infrastructure hasn't changed much from the 50s. You can tell America has always been a car country since it industrialized but kids found ways to still enjoy their little town with their friends, be it on beater cars as teenagers or bikes as kids. Even in the modern age the teenagers around here still drive their dad's 1980 4 wheeler or get around on their cheap Walmart bikes. The comic artist doesn't know dick about anything and his opinions are irrelevant.
>>1825381>'68 Dart GTS Secs on wheels.
>urbanite cuck problems
>>1848161>When in reality road infrastructure worldwide is subsidized by everyoneNah tons of roads are private. Like all of Scandinavia are paid for by the homeowners road association in the area with subsidy based on the amount of throughput of non-homeowners driving through it.
>>1856895>stroads>actually using breadtubecuck lingoConsider suicide. They're arterial roads you subhuman chimp.
I'll never understand why people even debate about whether or not it's bad that more and more cities are built around cars rather than people. How doesn't that piss everyone off? I know there are people who will say, "well I'd rather drive than walk/cycle/take public transit and the roads make it easier". I get that. Driving sure can be convenient, of course. But they're also making it so traffic is worse and infuriating. Nobody likes traffic. Then they make us pay more for the roads and all that car infrastructure. They jack up the gas prices. Apart from the fact that it's ugly and makes it harder to get around without a car, it's all a fucking scam even if you DO drive.
>>1828505Nigger tier car
>>1825479This is like trying to read Catcher in the Rye.
>>1825381I wish I could drive around in a car like that without looking like an absolute douchebag.
>>1825763>Zoomies learn that they could have lived in a world where they don't have to worry about a speeding, 5000000 ton pickup truck ramming them from behind in a sidewalk>Zoomies learn that they could have lived in a world where they don't have to drive for 1hr every day, just to get to work>Zoomies learn that they could have lived in a world where they don't need to chunk portions of their income for everything car related, like gas, maintenance, and mortgages>"Why are zoomers suddenly talking about this? IS IT THE DARN LEFTY COMMUNISTS?!"
>>1870174I encourage crybaby junior-commie faggots like yourself to please try living in a so-called "walkable" and "progressive" city like Boston on a regular, non-doctor/lawyer salary. Just try it. Let's see how long it takes for the "fun" of walking and taking the bus/subway to wear off, once you realize just how expensive it is to live ANYWHERE near a bus or subway line. Oh "I'll ride a bike" you say? Yep, that too is all fun and games until it's winter - and you can keep telling yourself how great it is as you freeze your ass off, and then come out of your wagie job later to find your bike stolen. Then you can trudge your ass to Mr. Shekleburg's shitty urban grocery store to get raped on food prices, and walk home with grocery bags cutting into your hands in the freezing dark while someone blasts through a slush puddle and completely drenches you in it, while yelling "hahah faggot!" and then everyone claps and laughs at you.
>>1825400looks comfy.would walk and say hi to everyone
>>1832334Motorists cover only a fraction of the total cost of motoring while all of society including those rejecting degeneracy like motorised transport shoulder the majority of associated costs.
>>1870194Thank FUCKING God I don't have to live with your crippling fears.
>>1870194>how expensive it is to live ANYWHERE near a bus or subway lineI live in the suburbs of Harrisburg, not very expensive at all, bus stop is a block down the street and I can easily get to New York on bus and rail. It's quite easy to live with a moderate income and have access to a lot of public transport on the US east coast
>>1870194Oh god, look at these suffering individuals in the winter. They probably wishing of sweet, merciful death from the frostbiting cold.
>>1870194>expensive it is to live ANYWHERE near a bus or subway lineMight be a more local problem, here it seems to be mostly based on demand outside of the inner city so poorfag areas get lots of sevice. >and walk home with grocery bags cutting into your hands in the freezing dark while someone blasts through a slush puddle and completely drenches youI can confirm this part and I only have to walk 400m. I learned my lesson and now use the other grocery store I don't need to cross or walk next to a street for.
>>1825378I hate America so much it hurts my head
>>1831173the post that ended /n/iggas
>>1870287Riding in Boston probably sucks a hell of a lot more than riding in Oulu, regardless of season.
>>1825378>live in pic related>go outside as much as possiblestay jelly, cityfags
>>1831173>america sponsoring third world dictators is charityt. illiterate muttoid whose lifestyle depends entirely on shit produced in, mined in, or farmed in shitty third world dictatorships that get american "charity" money to keep the masses under controltry ending all foreign aid and see where that gets you, lazy fat american
>>1872225Seethe more shit skin retard. Without western money you would be starving to death and it would be a good thing. Nonwhites are a drain on the entire world.