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Why are they so damn kino lads?

Picrel a 1987 Klein Mountain with dirt drop bars
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>>1818407
>not retarded reddit tier almost moustache flare
Praise the lord
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>>1818407
The ones with risers and bar ends were much cooler.
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>drop bars
hipster
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>>1818407
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0kapuFix4c
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Wheres his shifter
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>>1818430
Thumbie mounts, one on each side
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>>1818419
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8MC-3cF3E
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>>1818411
Like I get that they're probably really comfortable, but I'm not gonna use them because they look so fucking goofy
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>>1818407
Just bought a 1997 Rockhopper, I'm excited to get to work on it and start cruising. I think I might swap out the Rockshox Jett fork it has for a rigid one, heard that they have a tendency to break.
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>>1818411

dude I don't even know what you're talking about but you need to stop bringing up reddit unprompted
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>>1818407
comfortable, cheap, fast-enough
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>>1818625
>comfortable, cheap, fast-enough
Durable, versatile, light-enough
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>>1818580
Yes it is quite clear you don’t.
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Lads, rec me some 26 tires to turn my 90s MTB into a grabbel/touring machine. I was thinking about slicks but I'm worried about not having grip
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>>1818633
grabelking sk. you will be surprised how much grip the slicks have at low pressures though
panaracers really are good
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>>1818633
maxxis DTH or billy bonkers.
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Which is better for conversion to a gravel/winter commuter:
>Steel with threaded stem
>Aluminium with threadless stem

If the former, should I try to convert it to threadless if possible? If the latter, is it worth changing it to a rigid fork?
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>>1818633
If you can afford it get the widest 26ers from Rene Herse, best on/off road grabbel/touring tires known to man in existence on the face of the earth that money can buy.

https://www.renehersecycles.com/product-category/components/tires/26-inch/
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>>1818407
whats the difference between these bikes and say a modern grabbel?

Modern has lighter material and better wheels I guess.
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>>1818902
Old wheels would buckle and taco constantly compared to new ones made out of decent stuff.
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Why the fuck must every single mountain bike have a front suspension now?
And I'm not talking about actual, useful suspensions - provided they're useful at all in a urban environment, where 99% of European mountain bikes dwell 24/7 - no, I'm talking about shitty useless spring operated suspensions, suspensions that you can't even lock.

Why?
They just add weight and don't do jack shit but steal your WATTS

Perhaps it's to help kids wheelie?
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>>1818902
geometry is way different
generally old mtbs were 26 inch and modern gravel is 650b or 700c
flat vs drop bars
geometry is the main difference imo
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>>1818907
I think you are referring to BSOs
Because even the most basic suntour has a suspension lock and preload adjustment now.

Anyway a simple spring sus usually helps coping with potholes bad shaped road.
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>>1818907
because normies think "suspenshun gud"
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>>1818908
While you're right geometry is the main difference (as geometry is really what "defines" a bike) the geometry between a 90s rigid and modern gravel is surprisingly close. We ran the numbers and compared various examples, gravel is pretty much 90s rigid with drops
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>>1818916
its different enough, bikes in general are very similar, im glad the stupid long top tube meme is gone
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>>1818912
Wrong
>>1818914
Correct. Even on green mtb trails you don’t need and are actively hindered by suspension.
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Someone say rigid 90s mtb?
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>>1819824
noice
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Reporting
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>>1818912
>>1819080
>rigid forks are better in downhill

Ok thats enough
I should stop coming to 90s rigid mtb treads, you guys are made of 90% poverty cope.
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>>1819824
you posted that in the bbg. did you buy it? at least flip the seatpost clamp the right way and take your own picture of it.
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>>1819824
>>1819933
Sexo.
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>>1819933
>riding without bar end plugs
I am triggered.
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>>1819954
nobody said anything about DH
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>>1819954
>DH
>green trail
Maybe you should stop coming here because you don’t know what you’re talking about
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I think this is probably more likely to be 80s than 90s (5 speed rear and cantilever brakes)
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>>1820352
Most likely just a cheap bike.
I traded a friend a bike that was very similar, cantilever brakes and no derailleur hanger. It was 2002, judging by stamps on several parts.
So it's probably just a worthless shitbike that was built with leftover parts when they were already irrelevant.
After building several bikes last year I've come to realize the drawbacks of older bikes: anything remotely interesting costs too much and everything that looks like them can be sold for nearly the same money to newcomers.
Sell it and get a mid 00s mtb. Cheap modern hydro disc brakes, ability to get chinese carbon forks, threadless headsets and more modern standards make a world of difference.
Also fuck singlespeeds. Wheels are the hardest thing to get right and wheels are on any bike, drivetrains are the simplest thing to set up. So going singlespeed hardly makes the bike simpler or more reliable
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>>1820352
Lel riveted cranks and no derailleur hanger, obviously a shitter
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>>1820359
>he only has one bike
>good 00s hydraulic discs
>hate old bikes and post in 90s mtb general
What a terrible post
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>>1820465
Just so you know, I commute on a 80s road bike. Can't wait to finish my 2006 Jamis Durango and stop riding this shit. I hate long reach c-brakes so fucking much. Centerpulls were abysmal, chinese c-brakes fucking snapped and Tektros don't fucking stop. And when it rains and sand gets on the rims ears fucking bleed. Rim brakes are a nightmare for all weather riding
Restoring and rebuilding ancient steel shitters is such a stupid fucking meme, I can't believe I fell for this shit
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>>1820498
I don't belive any of what you typed is true. Post your bike
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>>1820498
You’re going to get a lot of shit for hating old bikes anon but I get where you’re coming from. You don’t know much about bikes and you’re not very good at fixing them, you rely on the bike for work and you probably don’t have a lot of money. Just stressors upon stressors. I got your back retardanon. Old bikes are definitely the wrong choice for you.
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>>1820498
>Rim brakes are a nightmare for all weather riding
Luv me 1991 road bike wif hard ano rims
Keeps things exciting
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>>1820498
I setup a centerpull for the first time on this.

It was terrible with the original pads, even though they seemed kinda soft and i re-faced them with a file. The squeel was deafening and they had huge brake shudder and the vibrations of heavy front braking for some reason ghost shifted to the granny cog.

The trick was to use modern pads with connical washers to set toe. I think the ol' timers used to fucking bend the arms for the same effect. I don't even think clarks/jagwire etc new pads are any good, the shimano refills are so much better. Only buying the holders is expensive and if you're clever you can scavenge them.

The rear brake on this is just a basic old long caliper brake (both accommodate the 27"- 700c conversion).

With good pads and cables the braking is excellent, down very steep hills, and in the wet. You can brake from the hoods. And its not even with aero levers which pull like 20% harder.

I used to staunchly hate old brake calipers but i've changed my mind. Even if you do, stick to 700c bikes, which is most of the good old road bikes anyway, and then just put modern brakes on.

>>1820525
lol
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>>1820498
>>1820359
Canti mtbs are basically the same. You just want to get the best possible pads and cable them well. Then the braking is good.

People massively overthink brakes.
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>>1820538
There's two kinds of centerpull brakes. The most common is center-mount using a single bolt--fairly easy to set up, but middling performance. They're out of style, and you described one of the main issues. Using spherical/leveling washers is a good fix for it.
There's also centerpull brakes that mount to canti-like studs. Pretty often it's old Mafac brakes. And these are awesome, peak rim brake. The pivots are much closer to the brake pads, so there's less flex in the caliper arms. Check it out.

>>1820547
Installing in-line adjusters changes canti brakes from "ugh, so fiddly to set up" to "why don't more people use these??".
As far as I know, Shimano is the only company that sells a "rated for brakes" adjuster, but I've used the Jagwire ones for years with no issues.
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>>1820559
I would love to have a bike with proper centerpull brazeons
The flex in the arms of the wienemann ones i have is quite a lot because they're so long

>>1820559
cantis need barrell adjusters for sure. If it's on a mtb the levers have them so that's fine. Drop bar bikes typically have stops in the headset spacer hanger thingy with an adjuster there. You can modify many stops in stems to fit adjusters. Some old road levers even have adjusters like gran compe ones. I'm not a fan of inline adjusters for reasons but better than nothing.
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>>1820559
the other thing I did on this centerpull is use longer washers and bolts to space the pad closer to the rim, so that the brake arms are perpendicular when they contact. Being able to do that is another advantage of modern pads.

most centerpulls including in your pic see the arms are at an angle, not ideal. Those brake pads aren't gonna contact square on. Some Mafac units take like canti-style smooth post pads so that distance is adjustable that way.
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>>1820559
You can spend a lot of money on canti brakes nowadays if you want to
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>>1820568
lmao

so whats the distance on those brake levers ?

your straddle cable looks ridiculously short but i get it maybe as a cope for excessively long-pull levers.
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>>1820568
hope you're gonna get a nice bell
crane suzu
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bros I got some paul neoretros cantis and kool stop pads and this shit brakes better than my hydro disc bikes
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>>1820574
>paul
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>>1820561
I do like the 'smooth' posts, and have even copied that Jan Heine washer w/ the angled cut. Just diy with a round file, but it works well.

>>1820563
Oh yeah, I'm familiar.
Those look like spacers from BR-CX70. Maybe a year ago, I had one diassemble
itself. There's a pressed aluminum pin on the backside, acts as 'the other stop' for the spring. Finally wiggled its bent self out of the hole after seven years faithful service.
But the idea is good, and I've done similar (that's why those spacers exist). But it's a pain in the ass to deflate/reinflate your tire whenever you take the wheel out.
>not a fan of inline adjusters
One benefit of those Shimano in-line units is they provide a secondary quick release mechanism. With my olde touring bike, this was enough that I could pop the tire out without having to fuck around.
What's your gripe with in-line adjusters?

>>1820568
Some people bitch about the adjustable spring rate ones, but I'm into it. Really enjoy when I can tune things just-so.
But as far as I know, Shorty Ultimates are black-only, so I replaced those Shimano cantis with two pairs of Dia-Compe DC-988. They're... fine, but in my heart I'm not truly satisfied.
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>>1820574
I'm a bit jelly. I thought about getting a pair of those Touring Cantis, but they weren't in stock when I needed them.
Check back in with some pics? Either this thread or /pybt/.

>>1820578
Cute video of you with your nunchaku.
But you forgot to use your words to describe why you're hating on someone else's Good Thing.
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>>1820579
>Those look like spacers from BR-CX70. Maybe a year ago, I had one diassemble
exactly. spares from my tourer. wew ok i will watch out for that happening

>What's your gripe with in-line adjusters?
mostly autism they are inelegant

>But as far as I know, Shorty Ultimates are black-only, so I replaced those Shimano cantis with two pairs of Dia-Compe DC-988. They're... fine, but in my heart I'm not truly satisfied.
take the black components-pill
I used to feel 'everything has to be silver' and it's incredibly liberating not not caring but caring slightly less about that. Everything has to be silver is one of those rules that you can and should tastefully break at times.
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>>1820570
Those levers are dual position. You undo a little plastic bit inside and you can move the cable anchor then refit the plastic bit and that changes it from long pull to short pull. They work nice.
>>1820571
Bell lol. No. Bells are uncool. And as you can see I’m very invested in cool.
>>1820579
I hate that they’re black. I would never put them on a nice bike for that reason. I’m still unsure on the adjustable spring rate thing but they are very easy to adjust to be nice to use.
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>>1820584
what are the distances between the cable anchor point and the pivot point of the lever. C-C ?

I'm curious.

>bells are uncool
you are uncool. Bells are cool
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>>1820586
I honestly don’t know. They’re R2000 Claris if you have a resource to look that stuff up. I no longer have the bike I’m afraid. A bell on a mountain bike with that gearing? It’s slower than most pedestrians lel
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>>1820589
>I no longer have the bike
uhhh what
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>>1820590
I built it to give away to a charity I volunteer at. It will be used for their group rides. It’s not like I’ll never see it but I no longer own it.
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>>1820589
>look that stuff up
shimano don't list specs. cmon man we talked about this i asked you to measure it wtf

contribute to the knowledge of the world
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>>1820592
I can’t measure it lad I don’t have it
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>>1820591
well thats very nice of you
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>>1820594
I’m nothing special lol probably cost me a few hundred dollars to build it and I don’t do it every day so it’s not a massive expense. You guys with the big parts bins could build these bikes much more efficiently than me and give them to local charities in your areas and do a lot more good than me if you wanted. Especially those of you with heaps of knowledge of the old style components like the centre pull brakes etc your knowledge is always in high demand with these places cause everything they get donated is old
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>>1818575
>Rockshox Jett
That won't be stock, assuming it actually is a 1997. Jet line didn't exist until a few years later, would probably have come stock as rigid or maybe an Indy fork.

t. Wasted a lot of money on bike magazines in the 90s
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>>1820973
Oh interesting, seems like the perv is owners made some modifications. If anyone in this thread has recommendations on a suitable rigid fork, that’d be super cool. I’ve heard the Surly Troll fork would work but that’s a bit expensive.
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>>1820578
That's the coolest retard I've ever seen.
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>>1819080
>wRoNG!!!1
he's literally right cunt.
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>>1819977
Yeah I picked it up for 225. Fixed the flat tires, put a new seat on, and fitted the first grips I could find on to replace the dry rotted ones. Then I just gave it a general lube and bolt tightening.
I'm not at all used to this geometry, its like the handlebars are far away and require me to tilt the seat forward and ride with too much weight on my wrists.
I think it might just be I'm not used to the more athletic position you have to hold in this.
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>>1821182
Oops, forgot pic.
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>>1821182
Workout your abs and lumbars
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>>1821028
Does it look like pic related?
They changed the design to something uglier a couple of years after this (my dad had the updated one and it came with some manitou fork).

If it's the older design (pictured) then you want to change it for a rigid steel fork of the same vintage. At that point it might be cheaper to just get one from a scrapped bike of similar vintage (even a shitter BSO). You don't want something that has been suspension corrected since it would have had sub 4" travel as stock, maybe even sub 3".
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>>1821196
forgot pic
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>>1821197
Above SOVL was replaced by this in '99. Although this pic shows a jett fork.. So maybe you have a '99 and they changed to a manitou in 2000? Or pic related isn't stock. Who knows lol
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>>1821199
Yeah, this one is the ugly ass 2000 model and what my dad had. So my guess is you have a '99
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>>1821201
If you know what model of Jett it is you can look up the travel it had, and that will tell you what rigid fork you should replace it with. Other option is see if you can find a vintage SID fork with similar travel (probably would need extensive service). That would honest be pretty sweet.
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>>1819824
some of my favorite factory paint
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>>1820568
what pedals?
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>>1818407
Here's my latest meme machine
Don't know the brand, it's probably some kind of sponsor branded frame because it's Tange prestige. Snapped it for 40 eurobucks in sad shape, I installed the hipster bars and the 105 gruppo
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>>1821237
Close up on the cockpit
I'll probably have to rewrap it sooner than later
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>>1821237
>>1821238
Honest question: What's the point of road bike levers and meme bars if you don't get a hoods and drops position? Any swept-back hybrid bar with MTB levers would do the exact same, cost less and be easier to set up and adjust.
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>>1821244
I just wanted to try the moustache bars for shit and giggles desu
It's really comfy but i'll probably switch back to regular bars, we'll see
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A guy wants € 500 for this. It's fully decked out with original Deore XT parts.
Is this a decent price?
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>>1821277
yes
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>>1821277
>original Deore XT

It's not XT. That's just the (lol) model name of the bike. That's an MT62 Deore group.

Still really nice stuff. The thumbies are prone to bend a little which makes shifting on them a little less crisp.

>worth the price
eh, hard to say. It's gonna be a really nice bike and guessing from the pristine dork disc it's probably in really nice shape. But I would also guess 'original' condition and warranting an overhaul and a bunch of consumables. You might want to try to organise a decentish test ride to decide if it clicks with you. Maybe haggle down a little.
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speaking of original XT

>tfw no deerhead groupo-settu
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>>1821237
that bike is SLICK
what a deal.
It looks really cool sitting on those tires and with the group. The crank even looks good.

Bit curious you didn't spec slightly wider gearing.

really hope better pedals, pads and rack are on the agenda

>>1821238
and lol this bartape job... anon...
are the cables long enough too? Can the bars go full lock?
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>>1821186
It's probably mostly getting used to the position and actually riding when you ride, but you could get some bars with a little back-sweep
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>>1821377
*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D2p7zxVsFo
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>>1821182
Shorter stem could help you. For some stupid reason they fitted some very long stems on MTBs back then. Saddle tilted slightly forward makes sense when you are actually pedaling constantly, not so much when ur mostly cruising down a hill.
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>>1821277
that frame is also not like mega fancy, just mid-high end
It's butted but the really fancy tange tubesets were prestige and prestige concept
and i personally don't like straight forks that much

not saying you shouldn't buy it, or even that €500 is unreasonable, but it's not a great deal.
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I got this (90s?) dutch bike to restore for someone.

I don't normally do this but I think it needs new paint, the rust is pretty bad, it was sitting outside on the coast for ages. Probably get it powdercoated if the guy i used last time hasn't upped his prices too much.

What colour?
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>>1821376
Well, I'll be. I got detail photos of the bike and you're right. I was under the impression that the "XT" model (there was a non-"XT" AFAIK) was only named that way BECAUSE it featured those parts.
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>>1821423
yes you'd think so lol

xt is pretty distinctive though, with it's black bit on the derailer, you can pick it from a mile away vs deore. though there's also a few types of exage that also look like that.
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>>1821277
Do not pay 500 for that. That's stuff you can get for 40 euros. Not saying it is a bad bike, just that if you are going to pay 500 for a 90s MTB it should have full XTR, mint condition or some level of collectibility. And those indeed are not even XT parts.

Pic rel is my this summer's 90s mtb build, sadly not rigid but looking for a P2 to replace the XC51 fork. For reference, I paid 12 euros for the bike in original condition, and about 150 euro worth of stuff to replace all the wear parts.
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>>1821437
12 Euro for a Kona is a crime, lol. You robbed someone.
Thanks for the advice, fren.
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>>1821437
>XTR

XTR isn't peak classic mtb. XT is. It's a better looking groupset, sharper corners, cleaner lines, wheras XTR is chunkier and has more rounded aero-profile parts. XT speced peak thumby which work better and make more sense for a bike that now doesn't suit technical riding. Even back then the thumbies were more desirable than STI.

XTR also more heavily overlaps with suspension and v-brakes. It's mostly 'bad modern' rather than good classic

If i got XTR parts i'd want em on a touring bike for bling but that era of 'vintage mtb' is not the peak. You know this yourself trying to essentially backpedal through time to put a rigid fork on your bike.
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also 7 speed is just classic.

8 speed is too many speeds, nobody needs 8 speeds. For me, it's 7 speed.
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>>1821443
peak rigid 90s mtb is 1987-1990
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>>1821437
the bike is pretty gorgeous btw i don't just say that, the whole build pops

>get high end cool old stuff for practically free
nice advice lol
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>>1821444
tourney bros..
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>>1821417
Cream, beige, light brown. Something like that.
>>1821425
2bh the deore (DX) of that era is really good quality. And the XT derailleur with the black part looks worse aesthetically compared to the deore.
>>1821443
The STI were quite nice though. Using two fingers (thumb and index) you can shift much quicker. I use the ST-M075 daily.
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>>1821443
Hahah yeah I was actually talking shit. It seems to be a better bike than what it initially looked like, you don't see those for 40 everyday. Granted I am from Finland where pre-90s mtb's are pretty rare sight so maybe I should stop commenting on those. Anyway, I am already quite used to picking up these projects for very cheap prices so it's frustrating to see people consider 500 for a steel bike that's doesn't even seem to be top of the line.
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>>1821277
>Is this a decent price?

no. Its a very nice bike with good comps, you wont loose money is you give that much, in a way its not overpriced when you compare what you can get for 500eur new but you should find better deals. what frame is that anyway?
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Does my 2002 count?
An early 29er with a rigid fork, all steel. Shimano XTR 9 speed. Magura hydraulic discs, but I don't much care for them. Will go back to mechanical discs since there are some decent options now. Will turn it into a 1x11 drop bar gravel bike eventually, once I get some more money in here. Yes I brought my dirty bike into the kitchen, whatever.
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my favorite bike ever. injured my knee really bad skiing and sold my bikes after a couple of years of not being able to ride them
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this is a modern-ish version of the 90's mtb. check out the window in the stem. bought it for 100 bocks, probably stolen, no idea who cut the fork that short but it held up to some gnar. years ago now
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>>1821699
don't confus eme for this faggot
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Checking in w/ my Schwinn Sierra. Craigslist get, I love the finish. Fell for the drop bar meme when I replaced the klunker bars and adjustable stem, but I'm gonna switch to a straight bar this weekend hopefully.
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>>1821748
Are those Dunlop valves? Where do you live??
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>>1821759
Those are just schrader with valve caps.
>>1821417
eh, you could probably get away with not painting the frame if you want to keep the "patina"
You could sand the rust spots down and use rustconverter + clearcoat or something. Depends what look you want to go for I guess.

I've always wanted to strip a steel frame and get it gun blued + clear coated. That is one of the sickest finishes imaginable in my opinion.
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>>1821770
yeah you're right. I'm actually thinking now the frame just isn't nice enough to justify the expense repainting. I can't even get the fucking quill stem out lol.
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>>1821780
Yeah that thing looks like it's going to be a fucking pain in the ass to restore.
Better grab the mechanic's best friend - the blue wrench.
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>>1821833
lol i hit the lockring of the headset with my creme brule torch a bit and got that loose
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Just bought pic rel.
I have a question though; i have about 135mm clearance on my chain stay and i have some spare sun ditch witch rims with disc brakes on them.
Can i still mount them on there and just remove the discs and run it on cantilevers?
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>>1821921
if they have a brake track, sure.
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>>1818438
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>>1821921
disc hubs on rim bikes triggers me
whats wrong with those ones, they look cool

also is that one of those retarded diatech headsets without a star-nut i hate those so much
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>>1821437
sexo
also link on the cantis.
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>>1821925
Ah nope, didn't know that was a thing.

>>1821932
Yeah i guess I'm keeping those.
I don't reall know what that is but it's like this. Should i cut the tube down and get a quill adapter or do i just get a tube adapter?
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>>1821941
should you convert from threadless to a quill stem?
Lol

No anon, no.

You should probably get a new headset though. Those ones always fucking develop play and the system is retarded. Changing the headset isn't that hard and you can diy all the tools for very cheap. RJ has good videos on it. Ride it some first and see if it's a problem and you like the bike.
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>>1821947
I'd like the bars a bit higher though, is there a way i can do that without an adapter?
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>>1822151
riser stem or riser bars
having a threadless stem clamped like that to a threaded fork is bad though, and specially with a stem that will only grab on one point like what you have so in your case it does make sense to put a quill stem
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>>1821699
90s mtb isn’t r/xbiking you cock sucker
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>>1822186
mad cuz bad
I bet your bike isn't even yellow, sad!
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>>1822161
>threaded fork
i don't think it is
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>>1822223
Don’t do the “just because” reddit 1x drop bar you loser
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>>1822229
Ah, you're right, checked >>1821941 again and it doesn't look threaded.
The thickness and shape of the cable hanger/spacer thing here >>1821921 and the lack of a starnut threw me off.
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>>1822239
Then what should I do instead? I'm not gonna run a triple anymore
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>>1822260
those headsets set pre-load with the canti hanger. The canti hanger is a clamp, and it's connical, with a connical washer underneath it. When you tighten it, it pushes the washer beneath it down, which sets the preload. You clamp the stem first, and then you adjust the preload with the hanger tension. It's a supremely retarded system that always loses adjustment and i have tried and failed to convert to star-nut.

You see it on a few early threadless systems.
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>>1822267
Your description of how it works does make it seem like a massively idiotic idea that would only work up on the bench, jeez.
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>>1821699
the upgrades this needs are nicer tires (either wider or actual fast road tires) and nicer pedals. Nothing wrong with thickslicks but that's a fancy bike on meh tires it's wrong. Maybe fenders.

all the money is in the wrong place

that sticker is hideous

for what is clearly a utility bike it's bizarre you don't have racks or bags or even a bottle cage. - Why - do you want to do a drop conversion? If you want to throw money at it i'd get a dynamo setup and utility.
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>>1822264
Ok fine don’t forget your front basket and neon grips and post about how your neighbour “just gave you for free” a meticulously cared for 40 year old bike that you definitely didn’t pay thousands of dollars for
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>>1822264
>I'm not gonna run a triple anymore
Why not ? If the shifting sucks just switch to a friction shifter for it.
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>>1822271
Took the bottle cages off for a cleanup I plan on doing in the next few days. The frame oddly doesn't have any mounts for racks or fenders, I just carry most stuff in a backpack. Could get a fork that has rack mounts, but I don't wanna go without the paint-matched fork. Those tires are 28s, usually run 38s.
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>>1822272
It's difficult for him to have a front basket. His cables are all too long in the front and his fork doesn't have bosses for it.
Neon grips is a bad idea because almost everything clashes with mustard.
I would recommend he gets an immaculate classic bike for free that's not a bad idea.

A bell also, a nice bell, like a crane suzu.
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>>1822275
Based bell appreciator. I wasn’t suggesting he do any of those things as they are awful trendy memes to ruin nice old bikes like his
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>>1822274
That is extremely odd. What even is that frame originally intended for?
you'll improve your life significantly if you have a rack/basket to put your backpack or a bag of groceries in and it'll suit that bike.

Tubus makes good axle-mount hardware and the upper stays can just be attached with p-clamps. That's for a front or rear rack.
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>>1822276
>nice old bikes
it's a hideous modern boutique mishmash monstrosity. The only way to make it good now is to add more utility and silly shit. There's no path to class there.
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>>1822278
Trails or singletrack probably, going by trends from 20 years ago. A rack is going on the list, with some mounting hardware.
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>>1822274
I probably wouldn't default to the front rack meme either. Just get a rear one.
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>>1822276
>trendy memes to ruin nice old bikes

>front basket
>neon grips
>lying about acquisitions.

uh what. how tf do a color of grips or bolt on storage ruin a bike? People fuck up by gratuitously converting the drivetrain and steering to some modern shit, or, by autistically refusing to modernize anything on it at all.
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>>1822283
>People fuck up by gratuitously converting the drivetrain and steering to some modern shit, or, by autistically refusing to modernize anything on it at all.
both of these things, wasting money, and having some collector-type attitude towards provenance, having the same effect of creating delusions of high value and trying to push the market uphill. And neither of them necessarily coming along with actually riding or actually servicing components to increase their life or actually improving the bike.
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>>1822283
Yeah this is in a conversation about a 1x conversion. If you click on the numbers it takes you to the post being replied to
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>>1822286
I told him not to do it.
You took it too far dragging neon grips and front baskets into this.
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>>1822287
Tan walls don’t need to be slapped on every single bike either! I can keep going with these crazy opinions!
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>>1822288
post a pic of a bike that doesn't suit its tanwalls
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>>1822290
Literally any bike post 2005 that isn’t black looks shit with tanwalls. Maybe even 1995
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>>1822288
>>1822290
I actually did run tanwalls on this bike, no pic sadly. They really pop with the yellow.
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>>1822292
Your taste is properly bad. You have no colour co ordination. Consider not modifying any more bicycles and just replacing parts to factory spec
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>>1822293
Just for you I will now run a 1x with drop bars, tan wall Gravelkings, and front and rear baskets.
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>>1822295
Don’t forget your rubbish grips and r/xbiking post
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>>1822291
I thought we were talking about ruining old bikes
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>>1822291
>Literally any bike post 2005 that isn’t black looks shit with tanwalls.
how about this
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>>1822298
This is actually pretty hot. Could use some drop bars, though.
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>>1822298
Yeah. Less so because it’s specifically designed to look older but yes. Even more so in person than a picture, too.
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I remember when rigid MTBs were only $40 a piece in 2009 and I'm glad because I know they suck without wasting a bunch of money.
If you want a slow ass bike with drop bars get a touring bike
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>>1822325
any clapped out low spec bike is gonna kinda suck
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>>1822327
I put $75/ea tires, nice wheels, nice everything.
can't make up for the geometry and baby wheels
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>>1822331
lets see a pic
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>>1822331
>$75/ea tires, nice wheels, nice everything
be more specific
what tires
what wheels
what 'everything'
what bike to begin with
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>>1822331
Sounds like you wasted a bunch of money then going full reddit and not knowing what you are doing. A catalog 90s mtb is a fast aggressive bike, if you slow it down it's all on you.
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>>1822325
>I'm glad because I know they suck without wasting a bunch of money.
>I put $75/ea tires, nice wheels, nice everything.

kek what
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>>1820586
I didn’t forget about you while I was banned
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>>1820586
Hopefully this pictures are useful to you. This one is in the v brake position though.
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>>1822400
>>1822401
thanks man
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>>1822426
Tasteful and nice. Why such a high stem? Not telling you to slam it or anything, just curious. Lanklet? Bad back?
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>>1822426
Why does it have two top tubes?
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>>1822683
It's a good idea to carry a spare for longer rides.
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>>1822435
It’s ok. What are you going to do with the information lad?
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>>1822488
thank you. the bars are way too high in that pic, i had just installed them. they're just above the saddle now. usually my posture is medium-relaxed, around 65 degree back/hip angle.

>>1822683
the extra tube is a frame pump.
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>>1822710
Add to my bank of knowledge. Repost your picture when other people ask about this

It looks like in that picture the cable anchor can be shifted to 22.5 for the short pull?
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>>1822792
Yeah that’s correct mate :) that’s how the one that’s on the bike is configured.
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>>1822745
>the extra tube is a frame pump
Why would they put it there?
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>>1822847
To pump up the frame
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>>1821087
No he’s wrong. Crap suspension doesn’t help cope with potholes. Learning how to ride a bike does.
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>>1818407
Are there any horizontal top tubed suspensionless rim brake'd on the commercial market today? Or even just bike with a horizontal top tube that isn't a track bike or something? Everything I see on the online stores is gay.
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i picked up a 1990 mbk rock fighter.
there are paint chips that are starting to rust around all over.
how fucked is it ?
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>>1822847
why are you retarded?
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>>1823056
Like this? https://crustbikes.com/collections/completes/products/55cm-blackened-canti-lightning-bolt Yes they exist and yes they are all thousands of dollars for ali express components
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92 orange prestige race bike
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What are the best tires for a 90s mtb?
I was thinking a Schwinn hybrid with the puncture protection, but am not sure if different treads have that much of a difference with bike tires.
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>>1824959
Too broad a question to get anything but low iq Americans shilling their own favourite tyre.
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>>1824972
Ok well how about this.
Is getting a mountain bike BMX tire overkill for what a 90s mtb can reasonably do?
If your extreme is flat off-road or somewhat hilly singletrack, will a hybrid tire do well enough?
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>>1824985
>hybrid tire
there's no such thing. you either need knobbies, or you don't.
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>>1824985
If you aren’t doing proper trails with rocks and roots I wouldn’t bother with knobs. I do those sorts of “gravel” trails on skinny 700C road tyres.
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>>1824985
most hybrid tires have totally shit grip and ride quality

tires are THE most important component on a bike
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>>1824988
hybrid/city is a class of tire that puts its stats into low price, durability and puncture resistance.

tread or lack of and pattern is not the only relevant thing for grip.
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>>1824959
I assume you're talking about 26" tires?
I have a bike with a pair of Schwalbe Billy Bonkers, and they've worked well for poking around the city, abandoned roads, and bum trails (mostly hard dirt).
My shitter grocery bike has a pair of Panaracer Ribmo. The smooth tread is good on pavement (and low noise), but I'll spin out on mud or wet grass. Both of those tires have different spec levels, I always get the folding bead ones.

>>1823082
That's just surface rust. You can either remove it (abrasive or chemical) and paint over it, or convert it (special primer-like product).
Look up CRC Rust Converter. It comes in a quart size, I got a jug at Napa. There's a NZ guy on Youtube "Toasty Rides" who uses it on several bikes, but it's pretty straightforward. Just clean off any loose material, and paint it on. The stuff dries black, so you can just leave it, or color match over it.

>>1824972
Rent free.
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>>1824959
schwalbe big apple is great on pavement and okay on flat hardpack trail.
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>>1825004
I've got that, which is why I'm trying to figure out what to replace my dry rotting tires with something good for xc/bikepacking type riding.

>>1825007
Yeah, 26". Sounds like those are not enough. That gives me a better idea that I'd need more though. Getting warmer.
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>>1824959
gravelkings for a good balance of on and off road
renneherse for mostly on road or gravel
ultradynamico mars for singletrack
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>>1824959
Rene Herse are best tyres full stop, the fact that they come with tan walls is just the icing on the cake for 90s mtb lovers.
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>>1818407
>90s rigid mtb

This video is so beyond comfy... it takes me brack bros... I want to go back...

>www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyrlEE9AV58
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This is the second time I fell for 90s MTB meme, but never again. It's just got nothing on modern CX/gravel bikes except for the price. I don't commute — WFH, all stores are in a walking distance — but if I need to, then I would probably go with older rigid MTB, but ONLY with disk brakes. Cantis can suck my dick. Oh wait, no they can't because they can't do shit.
Fuck cantis.
They bike rode pretty sweet.
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>>1825147
>didn't get kool stop pads
>didn't overhaul and clean the brakes
>dry rotted tires
>awful sharp oldschool pedals designed for cages but without cages
>fuckinghopefully not period foam grips. flat bars
>a quil adapater? for zero fucking reason?

makes me want to throw up

>i tried the meme

no you didn't
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>>1825147
atleast you got purple jockey wheels though! which likely don't have float so are worse than stock!
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>>1825173
> didn't get kool stop pads
I ran KS pads.
> didn't overhaul and clean the brakes
Did it. Bike was fully rebuilt, down to the last bolt.
> dry rotted tires
Tires were perfect for the age.
> awful sharp oldschool pedals
Stock XT
> fuckinghopefully not period foam grips. flat bars
Couldn't care less
> a quil adapater?
You're literally retarded. This is STOCK A-TAC stem. Quill, 1.1/4
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>>1825183
>I ran KS pads.
i dont see them
sounds like bullshit
>>1825183
>Did it. Bike was fully rebuilt, down to the last bolt.
ok good
>>1825183
>Tires were perfect for the age.
viintage tire are shit
>>1825183
>Stock XT
are shit
>>1825183
>Couldn't care less
are shit
>You're literally retarded. This is STOCK A-TAC stem. Quill, 1.1/4
uuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh what uh no WRONG
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>>1825147
>Buys the wrong bike
>Blames the entirety of 90s peak bike
Retard confirmed.
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>>1825200
>vintage break pads
retro larp
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>>1825200
Nice to see that you put the Klein to good use. Most fags would treat it as an asset and keep it as an exhibition bike. Don't feel bad when scratches begin to appear. Drivetrain looks dope.
Nice tires.
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>>1825208
>Don't feel bad when scratches begin to appear
Bought it to ride it, and I'll ride the shit out of it. I'd like to keep it looking nice and will maintain it as best I can, but battle scars are expected and will be greeted as friends.
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>>1825147
I just set up some cantis and I am surprised that they actually stop pretty well, but they do require more power than V-brakes or disks.

You should probably get v-brakes if yoy can't get the cantis right. I did the same before, they are very easy to set up and brake hard.
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Gotta clean it up and get it dialed in but it’s pretty cool so far. It has biopace gears lol
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>>1825284
Nice, thank you for bringing this old classic beck to a useful life.
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>>1825284
Nice! I want a grizzly too.
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Tri extensions for max aero gains on the downhill
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>>1825383
lol that geo seems extraneous since regular can do everything already but gotta admit it sure looks cool
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>>1825383
Love it. Kojaks, big 3x and aero bars must go fast. Frame is beautiful although the decals are ugly as fuck and IIRC those were pretty heavy.

I had this old Bianchi MTB ad saved up, not related to this one, maybe to the Grizzly.
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>>1825871
The geo was conceived by an italian madman, i heard that downhillers weren't big fans of it because it was too front-heavy
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these are 26x2.5, would they fit on a 94 hardrock?
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>>1826248
probably not
and unless you have wider than normal rims they will squirrel in corners.
and even 2.3 tires are too big. 2.15 is the shit.

2.5 though, it's not a name, it's a distance, that you can measure, so you can fucking measure it.
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>>1826282
the frame isn't here yet. thanks
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Loaded on PEDs
running from the FEDs
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>>1826248
on stock forks yes, not on the rear, largest i can fit on my88 rockhopper is 2.35 in the back, schwalbe fat franks. im running RH rat trap pass in 2.3 w spesh desert protection tubes on it currently as my commuter
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>>1826248
Definitely not. Source: I own a 94 hardrock.
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>>1826653
paint and decals look like a Trapper Keeper, nice
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hai guise, finally got around to setting this up to my liking (with the help of a moderate amount of chinesium lol), just need fresh tires but no rush for now
excuse the remaining dorky crap, it's my commuter
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>>1818580
faggot redd*tor
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>>1818633
Michelin Protek Cross
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>>1826916
this is nice - silver/forest green fade with gold decals looks good.

>>1827191
did bby just get banned from their favorite subreddit?
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>>1818630
different anon here
eat my dick
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>>1827255
Thanks, honestly those golden decals make me thankful I could finally put these silly golden bars somewhere they would match, haha. Now I hope I can find a pair of bottle cages in a matching matte gold someday.

>>1827714
Comfy atmosphere :)
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>>1825147
after learning the L trick to set up cantis they stop just as good as anything iv used with kool stops on. Honestly one of the better brake systems.
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>>1825215
whered u find that brick in the middle of fucking nowhere
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>>1821718

That looks absolutely revolting.
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>>1827775
I had it on my backpack.
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Should I plan on getting new wheels when restoring a 90s mtb to a touring bike? Would be nice to know before I buy one to get a rough calculation of cost
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>>1827975
I'd say that as long as there isn't any of the following you don't need to:
> 7 speed hub or freewheel
> single wall rims
> brake tracks worn out
> spokes with deep crusty rust
> non-repairable damage such as cracks or large flat spots, or dead hubs
And even then you could live with either of the first two points, really. But if you truly want to have nice wheels by all means get them.
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>>1828237
The first two are pretty standard on even low-mid range 90s mtb
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>>1828240
Yep. My dad's GT Outpost had full Acera kit and terrible single wall freehub wheels. Built new wheels for it when he decided to get it refreshed. But now that everything is sorted, the frame feels like trash. Very heavy and not very rigid. Should have just bought a 00s aluminum xc bike, fuck 90s shit, all that remains at reasonable prices sucks
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>>1828240
I know, I just don't think it would be fit for touring.
>>1828252
> Should have just bought a 00s aluminum xc bike, fuck 90s shit, all that remains at reasonable prices sucks
IMO the period from when suspension went mainstream and they started to deviate more from the ATB concept right afterwards somewhere in the mid '90s till like the early '10s when they actually gave geometry a rethinking was a bit of a slump for frames considering what came before and afterwards
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>>1828259
Yeah didn’t mean to dog you out or anything, we just seem to get a lot of posters who think XT and triple butted chromoly is mid range because of the instagramification of 90s mtbs where you only see the unicorns
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>>1827799
just 4 u
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>>1828266
XT was top tier full stop until XTR came out, then it became top consumer tier with XTR being the ultimate premium range used by most pros, but even XTR was inferior to some of the boutique stuff which could only be bought by the individual component - as opposed to by the full groupset, there were companies making insane parts that top racers were using whenever they could, lighter, stronger, more reliable often hand made CNC bits and bobs that appear now and again on ebay for $$$$$$$, and the same goes for frames, most pros were using frames that consumers could buy, but there were team out there riding custom made frames that you'd have to get measured and fitted for and pay through the nose to buy.

Point being a top end '''consumer''' frame with full XT group is a mid range bike (albeit upper mid range), if you look at what else was available, but that's not at all detrimental, XT and XT II are amazing groups, as is DX, in terms of quality of design, materials, functionality, reliability, aesthetics etc, among the best ever put together and definitely overbuilt to fuck compared to the built to fail plastic shite they sell today.

I've owned most of the popular 80s and 90s mtb groups and I still own bikes fitted with XT, XTII and DX, I love them all but if I see a Roberts, Cunningham or a Brodie race bike fitted with early WTB, Grafton, Gravity Research, Chris King, Cook Bros etc components then I know that I'm looking at a true thoroughbred that puts my bikes firmly in their place.
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>>1828266
Oh nah if anything I'm sort of the opposite, I was pretty excited to learn my friend's hand-me-down wasn't an old BSO, but rather a Tange MTB frame thoroughly butchered with some of the shittiest, most mismatched parts you could think of... They even bolted the suspension shut jfc

>>1828413
Are you one of those guys that gets mad when people slap a new Alivio or whatever instead of wasting weeks trying to find a pretzel'd up deerhead on ebay?
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>>1828435
>Are you one of those guys that gets mad when people slap a new Alivio or whatever
I don't get mad, I just feel sad for the bike.
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>>1828237
Thanks! I am very much uneducated on bikes as my current one just worked for years, but I want to get more into it and would like to do a 90s mtb conversion as a project to learn.
>7 speed hub or freewheel
What is the issue with this?
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>>1828452
> freewheel
Axle bends easily, there's only like 3 variants of wide range freewheel and of those only the ones with the dumb 24-34 jump are easy to find
> 7 speed freehub
The freehub body itself is shorter so only 7 speed cassettes fit properly, otherwise you'd need to take a cog out and possibly fudge something with thin spacers. You can still get 12-32 7s cassettes though.
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>>1828413
>top end frame with top tier group set is mid range
Thanks for illustrating exactly what was meant by that post lol. Fuck me.
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>>1828413
XTR to my mind ISNT higher spec than XT.
M732 XT represents the pinnacle of classic mtb because it's still thumbies and the rigid era. A lot of riders at the time resented going to STI because they were less reliable.
And XT looks better than XTR. It's got sharper lines.

CNC wanks aren't better than high end inseries main market consumer parts either. You think pic related actually works better? Or a cook bros crank over an XT crank? Or a fucking colorful skewer? It's just fashion.
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>>1828413
Would you call a 1990 stumpy team or marin team 'high end'?
Those are not exotic.

both spec tange prestige concept and XT.

the only nicer thing is logic tubing.
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>>1818432
>>1818430
these are Paul's Thumbies
there are a few alternatives like Jtek thumb shifters and a couple other brands, or you can more directly mount them using brackets for flat bar thumb shifters or bar ends mounted on the brackets that come with Cinelli Spinacci bars (still cheap on ebay)
Suntour Command shifters mount here too but get mixed reviews, very marmite
There's some brake levers with shifters on the end (retrosomething i think), very expensive and relatively heavy but popular.
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>>1828488
lol yeah
it's the same logic that says a world tour Giant TCR or Merida isn't 'high end'
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>>1828533
People forget that being made in large numbers doesn’t make something worse… especially in cycling and doubly so in classic cycling
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There's just something about smaller 4130 rigid frames with 2.0+ tires that looks so fucking cool, especially if the wheelbase is slightly longer than usual. Either with retro components or modernization it's still a work of art. Visual perfection, perfect utility, built to last, no better value for a bike. It almost makes me aroused.
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>>1828624
I agree, that shape of bike seems to resonate with the human soul.

I don't mind them a couple of sizes up either.
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>>1828532
"Kelly Takeoffs" was the first name I knew them as, but it's the same idea.

Dia-Compe makes a Command-like shifter, called ENE Wing. Their doc says it's good for 11spd, but I've never met anyone using >10 in friction mode.

It's been a while ago, but some Anon posted a pair of those Gevenalle shift mounts that he retrofit onto a pair of old 105 levers. I remember he claimed a similar product from IRD was "better", but I can't recall the reasoning. I know I saved the clip he posted, I'll try to find it.
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>>1828526
Out of curiosity, here is Kona's marketing teams take on the top mounts, from 1994. Eventually they went for Gripshifts in 1995-6 for all models (even Hei Hei) but kept top mounts as option, and to Rapidfires in 1997.
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>>1828719
forgot pic
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>>1828720
lol
based early proponents of retrodouchery
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>>1828720
I love how the arguments are of no higher quality than whatever came out of usenet/forum flamewars at the time

> One
BS because you can do that with gripshift too.
> Two
More of an argument against integrated shifters in general considering there were thumbie ones before the rapidfires.
> Three
> loosening your grip by bringing your thumb up to operate the shifter more ergonomic than yanking a finger out or moving your hand in slightly and twisting
lol, lmao, rofl, etc.
> Four
Valid point although many grip shifters are serviceable in the same way.
> Five
Basically the same as point 3.

BTW how the fuck were the brake extension things supposed to be used, doesn't look like the situation with the drop bars ones where squeezing them would pull the lever, do you slide your hand down or something?
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>>1828981
>BTW how the fuck were the brake extension things supposed to be used,

kind of like guidonet levers. With your index and middle finger you pull them towards the bars. It's supremely retarded. someone post the thumb braking pepe
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>>1828981
>BS because you can do that with gripshift too
>Gripshift can be switched into friction mode on the trail
uhh what?
>More of an argument against integrated shifters in general
Yeah duh. STI was what overtook them.
>Basically the same as point 3.
It's nonsense for mtb setups but it makes sense for meme alt bar setups. STI won't even fit on a lot of bars with a curve.
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for me, it's XTR dual control levers. Move the brake levers up and down to shift.
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>>1828981
>BTW how the fuck were the brake extension things supposed to be used
grip the bar end with your wrist curled around and your thumb and do air quotes on the brake extensions
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>>1828984
Gripshift will hold a "half shift" fairly well, they're basically friction shifters at the end of the day.

>>1828983
>>1828989
That does indeed sound like an awful idea.
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>>1828983
>someone post the thumb braking pepe
I don't have it saved but bullying that anon was so much lulz, that was yeeears ago, comfy times
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>>1828987
one of the most stupidest designs ever, on par with unergonimic motorcycle controls that create serious crashes out of small ones
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Are there any good 700cc vintage mtbs? I want to get one dor touring, so road bikes don't do the trick asthey lack mount options, yet 26 wheels are just not as nice for comfy rolling.
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>>1829104
you do realize touring bikes have existed for over a century right, it's not just either road or MTB
plenty of old bikes with 700c wheels and mounting points out there.
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>>1829112
Are there any models to search for specifically? People on ebay just can't into labeling their bikes correctly, so a list of models would be awesome to have. I bet I'm not the first one to look for this, but I can't find any lists so far
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>>1829116
no him but
practically every bike mfg in the 80s- early 90s had a touring bike ifnot a sport-tourer
it's retarded to restrict your search to specific models

Look for anything drop bars with cantilever brakes or a wide range triple. That's a touring bike.
Anything with centerpulls is probably a sport-tourer. Several rack bosses are a tell, as are longer wheelbases and slacker angles.
If you have a 27" sport-tourer or even many more relaxed road bikes, a 700c conversion will let you fit ~35mm tires and then you can tour on it.

Normal rules apply for picking quality.
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>>1829116
> a list of models
That's not how you get a good deal. You sift through ALL the bikes in your range —both price and distance wise —sorted by newest. That's how you get a good deal.
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>>1829131
this
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>>1829131
Also use no filters or specifics, just type in 'bike' and scroll through them all, there is treasure out there and many people do not know what they have, it pays to be able to spot a good crankset or other tell tale details.
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>>1829104
If I had to pick one I would probably go for Marin Point Reyes. Probably better choices out there from trekking-specific manufacturers, but this one is pretty interesting at catalogue weight of 10.2 kg and some White Industries stuff. Saw one for 150 euros a while ago, would have gone for it if it had been my size.

GT also has atleast Tachyon which is pretty cool.
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>>1829215
those cranks are cool
they're sugino really
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>>1829104
>26 wheels are just not as nice for comfy rolling

For value, utility, durability, and style I would just stick with 26" wheels. A 26" wheel with a 2.50" wide tire is the same diameter as a 29er with a 32mm tire. You get all the benefits of 700c/29er diameter without the drawback of a weaker wheel.
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>>1829443
>26 x 62mm rides like 700c x 32 mm
I actively shill retro mtbs but you are fucking delusional

I just don't understand why you can't into retro road bikes as well. It's like this is your fetish or you don't ride or something.
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>>1829453
Idk about 62mm but for example 2.2 wide Continental Speedking score 19.1W rolling resistance in Beerman's lab tests. The best 32mm tyre, GP5000, scores 16.6W.

Of course it is just lab test but wide tyres have pretty good benefits outside of those as well.
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>>1829462
26" is based. Rigid mtb is based. Even for touring. They make great touring bikes.
imo 1.9- 2.15 is peak 26" size. Anything above that feels sluggish and suits technical riding or cruising only

700c x 35-42 is peak touring size though.
It's just better.

>muh rotating metal drum autism
breh come on
no way is that true
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>>1829462
rolling resistance is irrelevant though.
Wide tires are much less aero, that's where the SLOW comes from.
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>>1829453
>muh 2% aero loss @20mph

If you got lucky with an old road bike frame that can fit 40mm tires and feel like wasting $300+ on wide touring wheels then go ahead, enjoy that negligible efficiency gain that only happens at 19mph+. You could have bought like 3 26" clunkers and tuned them up to be touring bikes for the price of a single 700c wheelset wide enough for 40mm.
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>>1829487
> old road bike frame
> can fit 40mm tires
Pick one (1). Even modern _road_ bikes can't fit 40mm tires, no way in hell old ones could. Caliper brakes wouldn't allow that; and back in those days even 25mm would be considered too wide for proper road bike.
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>>1829479
the slow comes from (You)
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>>1829500
27" conversions often can fit 35s. The clearance under centerpulls and single pivot calipers is often a lot.

other than that it's classic touring bikes.

>>1829487
>road bike frame
you know touring bikes exist right. Are tourers and sport-tourers 'road' to you?
>muh wide wheels
Totally unnecessary. Any rigid 90s mtbfag should know this. A lot of oldschool mtb rims are like 19 or even 17mm wide and run 2" tyres fine.
>money into building bombproof wheels
well yeah but you might do that on any touring bike.
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Don't wanna make a mass reply, but I had a troll "grabblel" build a few years ago made out of a 90s Huffy with comfort geo that I put drops and 650Bs on, but it used the crummy BMX side pulls the bike came with.
Eventually the poor mechanical advantage of the brakes ovalized the pivots on the brake levers (and I had sheared a few cable heads off in the meantime) and the non-standard BB cups started to go so I turned it back into a cruiser and sold it.

In any case 650B wheels worked great, I loved that ride despite the cheapness. But to do it "right" you would need an early 90s racey bike of the kind that rides well with a long stem, that has the cable stop you need to run V-brakes at the back, that also has the brake pivots fairly high up so the brake pads can reach the rim (and they have to be V-brakes because most cantis can't go up by much), and ofc a 650B rim brake wheelset which these days is sort of an oddball unless you build them yourself. Or one of those 700D bikes that were actually 650B.
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>>1829530
>ovalized the pivots on the brake levers (and I had sheared a few cable heads off in the meantime)
lol
if you've got canti studs though there's a good chance you'll fit 35s without a meme wheel conversion
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>>1829531
> lol
Yup. Used to ride the drops a lot too because that was the only position I could get any braking from.
> if you've got canti studs though there's a good chance you'll fit 35s without a meme wheel conversion
That pic reminds me I fixed up an '84 World Sport for a friend a while ago, fit 32mm Marathons on the 27" wheels and they juuust about got in there, but with 700c wheels I don't doubt 35s or CX tires would fit. Maybe even 38-40 slicks with some of those long reach tektros that have more clearance.
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>>1829530
> has the cable stop you need to run V-brakes
You don't need any cable stops to run v-brakes, that's one of their many pros — cable stop is a part of the brake itself. Cantis, on the other hand, do need stops.
> and they have to be V-brakes because most cantis can't go up by much
There are adapters for folding bikes to raise pivots.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not pro-canti, I'm very much fuck cantis kind of guy (although, I must say, in terms of aesthetics nothing beats cantis), but there are options if you don't want to buy new brakeset.
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>>1829539
If the rear cable run ends in a noodle around the seat tube instead of a pair of stops for an outer, you have to get a clamp-on stop to run a v-brake. Also the adapters bolt where a removable stud would go and nearly all steel bikes have the brake studs brazed on directly. There's some plates that extend the slot for the brake pad but being cheap aluminum and the sort of thing only found on aliexpress it's a pretty sketchy idea, and won't work with smooth post cantis.

It's something I've looked into a lot, really. The easy, $$$ option is those Paul brakes that one annoying gravel dude used on his conversion but it's not worth it for a meme build imo.
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I have a 90s GT model unknown that I've updated to 9sp XTR and x1 that I've got bored of and I want to sell. I know that I can't ask as much as it actually costs if I want to sell it before it rusts to the ground, but I also don't want it to sit unused.
I have in mind a steel road bike that can fit at least 32s to take it's place as day tourer and grable bike, but used market here (argie) is really dry. No semi-complete bikes that I could start riding right away, they're either needing some serious maintenance and replacement of parts or asking some ridiculous amount of money.
At least I still have my trusty fixed that's now a commuter, tourer and road bike.
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>>1829543
Atleast Tektro Cr720 and Marin Lites are long enough for 650b conversion. The former are quite easy to find.
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>>1829555
> At least I still have my trusty fixed that's now a commuter, tourer and road bike.
If you don't mind a little sacrilege, you could try one of these gizmos...
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>>1829559
The fixed is a road conversion, I still haven't cut the hanger but I've chopped the cable stops. Anyways I wouldn't put gears on it, I really like riding fixed and it would also be expensive. Not worth it.
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>>1829443
>A 26" wheel with a 2.50" wide tire is the same diameter as a 29er with a 32mm tire.

no it wouldnt, bigger tires squirm a lot more, big wheel and smaller tire accelarates was better etc. while 26" is more comfort
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>>1829567
different anon here and I'd like to also add to that anon's points, tire material is a lot heavier than wheel, so the 26x2.5 will most likely weigh a lot more than 700x32 and rotational mass has a far greater effect on handling than static mass
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>>1829568
>tire material is a lot heavier than wheel, so the 26x2.5 will most likely weigh a lot more than 700x32 and rotational mass has a far greater effect on handling than static mass

true, but even if you control for the tire weigh a bigger tire will always squirm more in corners and when accelerating - even when turning the wheel you can notice how more instance the change in direction is on smaller tires. both have their place. Road racers dont go for small wheels big tire combos for that reason.
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>>1829443
> A 26" wheel with a 2.50"
Now show me old mtb that fits 2.5" tire.
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>>1829669
Go on the amazon page for the 26x2.50" Maxxis Hookworms, there's tons of old mtbs that can fit them, but yeah the average old 26" mtb probably only fits 2.15 max.

>>1829567
Comfort is more important than a small speed/efficiency gain for touring

>>1829500
I full admit I'm talking out my ass when it comes to road bikes in general. I had one old 80's road bike and 28mm was about the max for that frame.
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Honest question, what is the difference between a 90s rigid mtb and a modern hybrid? Everyone shits on hybrids but sucks dick for these old mountain bikes
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>>1830121
the former is built to last and you can buy for $100

the latter is built to break in 2 years and you can buy for $200
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>>1830123
> is built to break in 2 years
Doubt. I assume you don't have any relevant experience or proof either?
At most I would say in two years you'll be out of chain, chainring and sprockets (that's expected) and most likely bottom bracket.
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>>1830130
i have owned and rode a cannondale hybrid and multiple rigid mtbs
i will expand on my previous post.

If you buy a new hybrid, if you buy cheap you get shit components made out of cheese aluminium, if you buy expensive you get an expensive bike that has no intrinsic value for that expense such as being light like a road bike or having geometry suited to trail biking.

if you buy a used hybrid you are just getting some horribly kept handmedown from someone who doesn't know how to use or take care of a bike. because people who buy hybrids buy them because they dont know what they want and dont know anything about bikes. "commuter" bikes. these sellers will buy a bike because they saw a netflix documentary about how bad cars are, ride it a few times and crash it and then go back to driving their cars, and try to sell the bike for 70-80% retail value.

if you buy a used 90's mtb you are probably getting it from someone who knows about bikes, either by being from a pedigree where you couldnt just buy/afford whatever you wanted and had to fix your bike yourself, or being someone who wanted a good bike and had the appreciation to take care of their bike. Usually they will have upgraded parts or replaced and serviced parts by the previous owner. They also tend to ask for much more reasonable prices.

If you don't believe me, go look at a bunch of ad listings and see for yourself.
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>>1830137
>>1830121
Having ridden a bunch of bikes in both categories, the answer to this is really dependent on the bikes in question, but in general the hybrid is going to put you in a more upright posture and the steering will be more stable, so the old MTB is better for picking your way along a rough trail. Really though, most 90's MTBs are not anything special, but the nice ones do have some extra cachet as being "vintage" these days.
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>>1829669
Klein pinnacle 1991
Cannondale Beast of the East 1995
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>>1829669
And a 1991 Punisher
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>>1830197
Is that yours? How does the 'bars handle?
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My dad has an aluminium Cannondale from the late 80s. I was told as a kid it was a "prototype" but I have seen other models on YouTube that look very similar. Are these worth any money now?
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>>1830208
If it's a prototype full sus MTB then it could be of interest to a collector, but otherwise no, it's just an old bike
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>>1830199
It's an amazing ride, handles great in the drops or on the hoods, rapid as fuck downhill on pretty much any kind of terrain, the rougher the better, the dirt drops give plenty of width and control.
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>>1830208
lol wtf is this picture from
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>>1830211
just front suspension
>>1830261
the film is called Les Triplets of Belleville. it's a french film directed by Sylvain Chomet and it's rather good.
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>>1830263
thx ill give it a watch
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>>1830121
Kona Dew is a solid bike. It is not the best example of modern hybrid that sucks dick, it is heavily influenced by Kona's 90s MTB range with a P2 fork and everything. The geometry looks to be very similar to old Hahanna or Fire Mountain, see pic related.

What makes it hybrid and not "mtb" is the 700c wheels in this case, I doubt it would fit any 29er mountain bike tire.

Shitting on hybrids is mostly because they are the cheapest type of bike, full of cheap parts that can work fine like a low end Shimano drivetrain and a heavy Kona frameset. Or they can work terribly like cheap disc brakes, weak wheels and suspension.
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>>1818407
Reporting in.
Also, for the longest time i thought that travel agents were a bogus solution to a legitimate problem. i was so wrong. They work wonders.

The only problem is how small 90s MTB frames are.
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>>1830820
No more canty for me. Like never ever ever
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>>1830821
He who have seen the light of proper brakes, shall never return to cantis.
Also, they aren't small, I would say even other way around. You just got a small frame. I had 20" GT, and with level top tube it felt way bigger than anything modern in my size.
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>>1830837
I see the reinforcement on the stays, but can you run down how you converted to disc? some kind of kit you welded on?
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>>1830900
Pair of random nuts guy who did this had laying around; bit of pipe and spraycan.
Would advice getting pair of IS brake tabs instead — simpler to position and just easier.



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