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Flats, or apartment blocks, are high density communal housing typically consisting of multiple floors.
These buildings can be found in any area of a settlement, from urban city centres to quiet suburban fringes.
The benefits of flats cannot be understated; they solve the current housing crisis by providing each family with only what they need and are highly efficient in their land use.

Due to the high density nature of this type of housing, transportation for occupants are often a troublesome dilemma for urban planners.
More often than not, flats are built as isolated blocks of towers separated from the rest of the local community.

In this general, we discuss possible solutions for the difficult task of providing adequate transportation for the occupants of this type of housing.
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>>1815969
what if I need a garage?
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>>1815974
People shouldn't need a garage because all their transportation needs are met by public transport.
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>>1815969
I wouldn't want to live in tofu dreg chinese hives
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>>1815976
yeah but I build things in my garage
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>>1815974
Some apartments have garages. It'll be a shared underground garage almost always but I don't see why you could have divided areas with individual doors if you need additional security. In general, if cars persist in denser residential zones and communities it would be wise to place it beneath the habitable space of the home on the ground floor more often, requiring it to be built from the get go. This pattern of design is already pretty common where space is recognized as the premium it is.
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Our planning problems come from using only super high and super lower density instead of mainly using medium density and rural.
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>/n/ - shit that doesn't even move
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>>1815999
>rural
Rural properties take up too much land, what's stopping a farmer from commuting to their communal farm?
>>1816002
Jannies have spoken, architecture and planning threads stay.
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>>1816127
>oh noes a thread I'm not interested in, the board is deeeed
you're free to leave, crybaby.
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>>1816130
I think I’ll stay. In practice most of these types of buildings have massive underground parking lots, or the first 5 floors are parking lots, so most people just drive unless they’re walking to a store nearby. Not sure about impoverishes countries but thats how it’s like here.
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Whatever you do, MAKE THE FUCKING FLOORS AND WALLS THICKER.
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>>1815969
They need to be demolished, because high density is a violation of human rights.
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>>1816357
Unironically this.

>The team found that people’s self-reported loneliness increased by 2.8 per cent for every additional 1000 housing units within 1 kilometre of their home, while their self-reported social isolation increased by 11.4 per cent. The researchers controlled for factors including age, health and socioeconomic status.
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>>1816111
Farming isn't like a 9-5 job. You don't show up, do your farming, and leave.
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>>1816371
That's why I said communal farms, you expect one person to work an entire farm?
>>1816363
Social isolation was caused by the pandemic, which impacted urban communities more. This will return to normal now that people are taking their vaccines.
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>>1816385
Interesting theory but this seems like a common theme

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15056572/

>With increasing levels of urbanisation the incidence rates of psychosis and depression rose. In the full models, those living in the most densely populated areas (quintile 5) had 68-77% more risk of developing psychosis and 12-20% more risk of developing depression than the reference group (quintile 1).
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>>1816385
>he thinks people were happy in cities before the pandemic
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Row houses are retarded. Imagine wasting so much space for staircases because each unit is built vertically. If each unit was horizontal instead, they could use shared staircases which would save a lot of space.
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>>1816385
>you expect one person to work an entire farm?
Umm, yes that's how most small scale farmers operate.
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lol just modular farm in the middle of the city
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>>1816518
SOVL
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>>1816518
Shitposting aside I have always wondered why we don't just build single family homes as their own layer of a low or mid rise.

Like 45m by 45m units or 50x50 with room taken out for a large elevator and front door. Or even 4 units per floor but the size is large enough to serve as a home for 4-6 people.
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>>1816627
Uh, I think that’s what an apartment is
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>>1816648
3-4 bedroom apartments with multiple bathrooms and in a mid-rise configuration (not a converted house) are extremely rare, at least where I live (Toronto).
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>>1816661
I find that hard to believe. So everyone in toronto just lives in single family homes or apartments?
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>>1816688
Yes
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>>1816526
The government could solve that issue by seizing contiguous land owned by multiple farmers and redistribute the workload to the local community.
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>>1815976
>>1815988
Serious question if I want to build something where do I do it without a garage
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>>1816789
Local Makerspace, obvs
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>>1816789
backyard
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>>1815969
Building high rise apartments in the middle of farmland for farmers is utterly meaningless
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>>1816880
They’ve gotta be forced to live sustainably somehow.
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>>1816789
What do you plan on building?
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>>1816813
If you think you “need” a backyard for some reason, you’re either disingenuous or a carbrianed idiot. Go to the park.
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>>1815976
>People shouldn't need a garage because all their transportation needs are met by public transport.
How do you move house? Drag a bed, tv unit, chest drawers onto the train?
What if the train doesn’t go where you need to go?
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>>1816976
Do what people did 100 years ago.
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>>1816976
Are you telling me you move house with the car in your garage, and not by renting or hiring a moving van?
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>>1816974
>a carbrianed idiot.
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>>1816979
Yes, ute and/or cage trailer
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>>1816978
Horse and cart on a road? Or footpat
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>>1816984
Are you agreeing you COULD rent or hire a moving van to the same effect?
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>>1816989
Nice goalpost shift, but you still can’t explain how you move house using ONLY public transport
Like the post I replied too claimed
> People shouldn't need a garage because all their transportation needs are met by public transport.
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>>1816991
You move house by going to your newly allocated apartment. If everyone lived in apartments then nobody would need to move furniture. Buying new furniture is wasteful and bad for the environment.
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>>1817039
Are you aware that you move your furniture with you when moving apartments? Unless you're moving from one furnished apartment you rent into another rental unit that comes furnished. So yes, you need some sort of vehicle to move them. That can be a rented van however.
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>>1816991
I'm not the one moving goalposts and I never claimed you could move houses using only public transport. All that was claimed is that you can get along without a garage.
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>>1817060
>Unless you're moving from one furnished apartment you rent into another rental unit that comes furnished.
All apartments should come furnished, what good of a right is housing if you can't even live in it.
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>>1817245
I don't want shit furniture that someones kids and dogs shit on
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>>1817247
It's still better than wasting furniture and emit carbon emissions from gas guzzling rental vans.
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>>1815976
Oh stfu. We live in the world of PEV 'so now.. why would you ever need a bus if you can take your micro portable personal electric vehicle that handles most trips, fits behind a door and cost next to nothing to charge? And I'd rather have these high-rises dotted in every part of the U.S. at least you get a pretty nice view building up instead of apartments which take up more space and are built not with concrete and steel but with wood.
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>>1816976
>>1816984
Extremely american posts.
BTW, more than 10 years ago my family moved stuff to another city 4000km apart using 5-ton soviet container, which was delivered by boat, rail and then truck in 3 weeks.
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>>1815969
A lifetime of neverending labor to live there....
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>>1817649
I'm not going to live in squalor for the environment. I don't care if everyone dies
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>>1818082
Everyone’s gonna fucking die anyways
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>>1817649
How are you wasting furniture if you take it with you when moving? And there are increasing amount of BEV vans.
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>>1817245
>...and you'll be happy!
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>>1818201
What are you trying to imply there? Shouldn't you be happy if every time you moved you didn't have to take your bulky, worn out furniture with you?
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>>1818554
No thanks, I'll haul the furniture I've inhereted with me. Imagine wanting cheap MDF furniture when you could have high quality furniture made from real wood that'll last your entire lifetime, and then some. My kitchen table is over 100 years old and was made by my great great grandfather. And it's better than anything you could buy from a shop. Well made furniture doesn't wear out.
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jetpack
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>>1815978
>>1816789
>>1816976
you can rent garages for not too much money where I live. It's what my dad did to work on his motorbikes since they lived in a flat
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>>1815969
apartment blocks are based but the ones from picrel are too tall. I grew up in a bunch of blocks that were only 4-5 stories tall and those were great for medium density cities
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>>1818663
It's a well known fact that if you obsess about furniture and your whole house is filled with it, you are a woman.
A man needs only a mattress and a coffee table.
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>>1815969
I lived in the country all my life. 8 miles from town.
Now I live in a small apartment.
I fucking hate it.
I need at LEAST two acres to myself.
Storage, shooting range, parking space, the essentials.

I don't know how anybody likes living in these things.
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>>1815974
If you live in such places you're a bugman that have nothing and lives happily.
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>>1815969
man i hate these shits, never understand high rise residential outside of super dense city centers. insanely horrible compared to putting the same number of apartments in 3-4 story blocks
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>>1818998
I agree, I doubt you'd have many possessions if you lived in a garage.
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>>1815974
I live in a flat and I have a garage. Use it for storing my bikes.
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>>1816111
>>1816111

>Rural properties take up too much land, what's stopping a farmer from commuting to their communal farm?

Historically it hasn't turned out well when Government start trying to control the production of food
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>>1816111
>Rural properties take up too much land, what's stopping a farmer from commuting to their communal farm?
Dumb fucking take. The actual farm buildings take up a very small portion of the farming space, they contain a ton of productivity areas and would be necessary anyway, living where you work practically reduces commute times and efforts to zero, and finally a farmer can't just arrive at 8 am and leave at 5 pm, farming is a life filling occupation. Farmers are the first people to have any claim to living where they want, their living at the farm is more vital to their work than anyone else's living location.
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>>1819264
Are you aware that the richest countries on earth do control their food production, whereas the starving ones have a proper free market when it comes to agriculture?
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>>1819271
Specifically state mandated communal farming. Its a solution looking for a problem.
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>>1819280
Communal farming solves many problems. For example, it provides employment to multiple as opposed to just one person.
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>transportation

why do they need transportation in this age of home delivery and working from home? if they need to go to a hospital we have ambulances for that.

if you stay home you stay safe.
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>>1820041
>this is your brain on communism
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>>1820041
Yeah, kill also sparrows and idk
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>>1815969
Hot off the grill: the ultimate symbolic urban bugplanning! My previous designs were far more inhumane (smaller rooms required breeding pygmy humans) and covered the entire surface of the planet; this new plan is sustainable AND it fulfills the criteria!
What you don't see is the underground city below. That's where the gnome people toil in the mines, factories, and mushroom farms, creating the nutriment loaves that are shipped in ducts (like Brazil) from below. Supplemental food sources come from geothermal tubeworms, anaerobic bacterial paste, and cave shrimp. Also, that's where the incubation chambers exist and sterilized, lobotomized scientists carry out the instructions from Yahweh 9001, the geothermal powered supercomputer that creates the perfect genetic slavemen through dysgenic algorithms.
Meanwhile, the 8 families live like giga-kings and have the entire pleasure dome. They are free to travel between octo-cities but once a year, must pay tribute in a pilgrimage to the capital in you-know-where.
>>1815974
>garages
>transportation
>human rights
You won't be needing this where you're headed...
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>>1820606
Unironically, though, windows are an unnecessary luxury and waste of money in apartment buildings.
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>>1818026
>Took three weeks to get his shit
>This is supposed to be a good thing
Jesus Christ you can't even meme about this shit
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>>1820606
>Eight families
>Only two or three are remotely relevant
The three richest people on earth and the richest family on earth don't fall into any of those families.
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>>1820784
wasn't this a fire safety violation or something?
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>>1820788
>The Munger Hall design is fully compliant with the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) and The Federal Fair Housing Amendments Act of 1988 (FHA). In addition, the project is fully compliant with the requirements of the 2019 California Building Code (CBC), Chapters 11A and 11B, for Housing at a Place of Education.
https://sam.ucsb.edu/campus-planning-design/current-projects/munger-hall (FAQ link)
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>>1820792
>Q: What are the considerations for fires and evacuations in the building?
>A: As noted above, the building is made out of precast, non-combustible concrete and fire protected steel, and the walls are made of steel studs and drywall. All the spaces within the building will have state-of-the-art fire protection systems, and the building is designed to provide smoke-free retreat areas on every floor. The fire alarm system will pinpoint the location of the detected smoke, so firefighters and first responders know where to go.
>Mass motion studies have been performed to model how
residents evacuate the building and how long it takes before a) building is emptied and b) students are collected in exterior assembly areas.
From the same FAQ document
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>>1820793
I see, that's fine then.
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>>1820792
>>1820793
Munger is such a fucking retard lmao.
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>>1820606
Based /upg/ connoisseur.
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>>1820786
I lived in a place which has no rail/road connection to outside world and 9 months of snow and ice in a year.
In normal place that would take 2-3 days.
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Could you build LRT that runs under them if they took up multiple blocks?
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>>1816661
Used to live in something like that back when I lived with my parents. It was 120 m^2, 3 bedrooms, connected kitchen and dining room, and a large living room.
4th floor in a 5 floor building and quite a few other apartments were similar. The entire neighbourhood was built that way, with generally 5 apartments per floor. 2 large, 2 "medium", and 1 studio apartment.
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High rise are just a bad idea unless land values are insane.
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>>1819005
>insanely horrible compared to putting the same number of apartments in 3-4 story blocks
If you aren't leaving the bottom floor(s) to business then it's just as bad. Nowhere to walk to and now wider for just aesthetics.
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>>1815969
There is a few issues with the flats and high rises overall but this can be most likely corrected design wise but I will go over each.
>Loud Neighbors that like to argue with each other, play music loud, dog has abandonment issues and so keeps everyone else up through barking
>Infestation due to messy neighbor
>Not enough room to have 2-3 kids to raise a family.
Believe me this is very common issues with flats and gives them a bad name. The only solution would be like other Anons mentioned is to make the walls thicker and more dense while having more accountability for bad behavior among bad neighbors. Also adding 240sq ft would not be a bad idea.
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>>1816518
They are called Duplex's. It's better than the vertical high rises.
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>>1824688
Can agree. You have to hope the neighbors you have next to you are not crazy.
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>>1816518
>Row houses are retarded
Row houses was built with a earlier 20th century mindset.
Remember: Noise cancellation is after all a premium, but its mandatory if you want a habitable house to live in.
Horizontal means you need to put in a shitload more insulation if you don´t want the area to be treated like a bunch of shoe boxes for rentals.
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>>1816688
You've never been to North America? Pretty much.
Would it also surprise you if I told you NA fags need to own a car?
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>>1820793
>>1820792
>>1820784
>Be Charlie Munger
>Be so rich you can stipulate that what you donate for will be built according to blueprints
>Each new building gets wilder and wilder
I don´t hate it for the idea.

But there is a caveat:
You are FORCED to leave your room to see if there is enough space in the great rooms, as the study is going to be a awful place to be.
While sleeping and waking will be awful due a lack of natural light. Actual edge rooms is going to be a premium, as windows is still superior to pressurized ventilation.

>>1824764
Fire safety via fire cells has done a lot to improve livability of flats.
But if its older, or not large enough to warrant such fire safety, then its going to be a hellhole to live in, as there is going to be paper walls somewhere.
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>>1824688

t. has never lived in a high rise
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>>1820793
Damn I would much rather live here than have my own house
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I feel like I could design a city based around apartments that's nice to live in, but all the irl ones suck and redevelopment is impossible.
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>>1815969
Ah, a fellow socialist realism enjoyer.
>/fag/
Maybe change this
>>1815974
The garages are built separately, on the other side of the road.
>>1815977
Picrel is UK
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>>1820784
>Sunlight and fresh air your house is an unnecessary luxury.
I hope to God you're trolling.
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>>1829120
>Picrel is UK
No it isn't, those cars are driving on the wrong side of the road, unless you're talking about OP.
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>>1830019
>unless you're talking about OP.
he probably is, they were slum clearances in Glasgow. now demolished.
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Does anyone know anything about these kind of modular buildings from Russia? Have you seen other examples of them?

https://odysee.com/@airbornewolf:8/restoration-of-Mariupol-continues.-Modular-housing-units-brought-in
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>>1830070
ever heard of a trailer park? that's essentially the same thing but people live in them forever.
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>>1830098
Nah I bet it's stackable.
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>>1830070
>>1830101
Yeah they look sorta like containerized offices. Very popular in Europe for the management of large long term construction sites.
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>noooo if i live in anything other than a plywood mcmansion in a sprawling shithole in the asscrack of ohio in a housing development along a stroad the govt is gonna take muh freedumbs!
>>1830098
>/pol/cels seethe about klaus schwab forcing them to live in pods and eat bugs
>go home to a trailer in a trailer park and eat hotdogs on goyslop white bread with corn-syrup-ketchup and iced carbonated corn-syrup out of plastic cups the size of buckets
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>>1830295
Trailer park racists aren't usually supremacists. They're the "there's black people and there's niggers" racists. White supremacists today are mostly city dwelling Mexican Americans.
Also "you will own low quality things" isn't the same as "you will own nothing". A trailer is a house and slop is food. Pods are prison cells and insects are just enough protein to live with enough fiber around it to prevent getting more bmi than is required of a slave.
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>>1824812
>edge rooms
Bro, NO rooms are going to get windows.
The outside is going to have window facades.
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>>1830507
Look at the schematics again anon. Or look at any videos of built version of those dorms.
There is only windows at the external common rooms and the outer edge bedrooms. 1/16 is a awful ratio, on top of there being no natural light in each communal kitchen.

But there is one more downside, and we haven't discussed that yet:
You can only put one side of the building against the horizon where the sun is. You get the option of morning sun on side and evening sun the other, or giving one side all the sunlight but making the backside unattractive.
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>>1830098
>Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
uh huh...
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>>1830295
>plywood mcmansion in a sprawling shithole in the asscrack of ohio in a housing development along a stroad
actually sounds pretty comfy to me.
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>>1830481
insects are unironically more nutritious than wonder bread and bologna sandwiches, and a trailer is just a jank methed-up pod. you already have nothing. at least my boy klaus wants us to have nice trains, which is an improvement over pothole-ridden stroads.
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>>1819264
Famines were greatly reduced after governments took over food production. The United States, Australia and Western Europe all have quotas, rules and regulations that farmers have to follow that ensure the health of the soil and the availability of agriculture products nationwide. The Dust Bowl is taught in American History because lack of agricultural planning famously made soil unusable and enhanced the harm caused by drought.
We don't have that anymore California is in the middle of "its worst drought in history" and still California will produce 50% of America's fruit and vegetable products.
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>>1823104
WTF. Where do you live, anon? You're not from Siberia, are you?
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>>1817649
Can't afford your own furniture, huh?
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>>1830070
>>1830098
No. They are building XBox-hueg factory in New Moscow that produces whole flats as modules, then hive towers of desired height and capacity are build from them.
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>>1830874
Forgot the pic.
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>>1818894
Got any pics of your place in the country? I wish I could live in such a setup, but it'll never happen, sadly.
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>you can rent garages for not too much money where I live. It's what my dad did to work on his motorbikes since they lived in a flat
this is what they want so they can always monitor what youre working on
https://www.inlinepolicy.com/blog/3d-printing-regulation-to-intervene-or-not-to-intervene
>As the industry matures, regulators will need to address the risks and challenges that this technology inevitably brings; issues such as the protection of intellectual property, consumer and public safety, infrastructure, taxes, etc.
>Similarly, issues with personal data, which are used for the customisation of goods, will need to be addressed.
same narrative they did with bitcoin/crypto
https://discoverdigitallaw.com/is-3d-printing-legal-in-europe/
theyre going to turn all your hobbies into EA DRM LOOT BOXES, and theyll do this all the while pretending to protect you from "the evil NFTs"
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>>1818894
>I don't know how anybody likes living in these things.
the only upside is if youre heavily into the bar scene because you can walk home but bars are the worst place to pick up chicks and alcohol has the worst hangovers
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>>1816789
I just go out on my balcony
I build scooters and bikes, if you want to build something bigger then you would need to pick a space big enough to fit the thing that you are building plus additional space for your own body to manouevre around.
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>>1820793
I lived in an apartment with two strangers, that was already annoying enough. Seven would be suicide tier
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>>1820784
Jesus christ, how horrifying.
It´s like the asshole who designed this wants people to sudoku en masse...
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>>1836022
It's like the asshole who designed this is a rich asshole who thinks that because he's rich he knows more than the decades of established wisdom around building design (i.e. people need fucking light).

I mean it's one thing if you have no choice because you live somewhere like Greenland but to willingly submit people to this is downright sadistic.
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>>1836022
>>1836291
The other dorm that he designed for a different university supposedly is rated pretty well by the people who actually live there.
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>>1824711
>Nowhere to walk to
You don't need every place to be a commercial district, a shop here and there plus a business street and parks/courtyards, schools, daycares, restaurants is enough for a suburb.
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>>1815988
Here in the Netherlands, most flats either have an underground parking lot or a big lot surrounding the building.
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>>1816385
>communal farms
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>>1816518
Row houses are the best way to live. Lowest psychological problems. Practical in most ways, comfortable in general. Nice garden (is essential for mental health as well)
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>>1816733
We know that that's how famine happens and millions die... China, Russia, Rhodesia/Zimbabwe, and dozens more.
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>>1816800
Nice to have run down tools that no one takes care of, no proper space for doing or storing bigger projects, can't just leave your own tools semi-finished projects and materials in convenient places bc it will get nicked and you have to commute there instead of popping in on a whim to repair/make some small stuff or project.

I see no benefits of such spaces at all. Been to multiple and all stink of either piss or mold.
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>>1816959
What they traditionally do is sustainable to begin with. You just have some retarded ideas that don't line up with reality.
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>>1816974
Psychologists say otherwise tho. The whole benefit of a garden/yard is that its yours, and you can do whatever you want in there. A park really does not compete
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>>1817039
People can't be happy in an apartment with someone else's furniture in it. It won't become a home, just a residence without soul.
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>>1817245
"Housing" isn't and should not be a right. Being allowed to own a house is and should remain a right tho.
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>>1817649
Literally retarded take. Western countries aren't the source of climate problems, the poors are. China and India combined have about half the world population and 80% of carbon emissions and 70% of nitrogen emissions
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>>1819280
Communal farming is a problem to begin with. Only smooth brains want communal farming
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>>1820041
I guess you're against any form of industrial automatization as well, as it takes away jobs people could do?
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>>>/pol/ is that way, chuds
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What are the solutions to nigger music?
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>>1837714
homogeneous tenants
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>>1837714
Not a problem if you have 20-30cm thick concrete walls and ceilings.



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