>This will never happen:(
It won't happen because taking the plane from San Diego, CA to Portland, ME is more convenient. I don't think you understand that the USA are big and that a trip from Kodiak to Key West is simply not doable by HSR.
>>1815732It's for highspeed connections to nearby cities where the train ride is faster than the plane ride
Needs a Mississippi connection and a Dixie transversal, like New Orleans to Atlanta and Florida
that meme about 'I don't WANT clean air / fast, frequent transit / etc, I WANT less traffic' only i'm laughing for the wrong reasons
>>1815722I remember how close Central Florida was from getting the connection between Orlando and Tampa built, until Rick Scott became governor and killed it. Nowadays, all you hear about these retards are complaints that traffic on i-4 is too much
>>1815768That's life in the US.It's been a decade ago, but in Ohio, Governor Kasich turned down $400 million from Federal DOT to establish a route from Cincinnati-Columbus-Cleveland.It wouldn't have been true HSR, but "higher speed" is better than... nothing.
>>1815768at least you'll get the one between west palm beach and orlando
>>1815784But “high speed” rail really isn’t that fast either. It still has to stop a lot and can only go near it’s top speed in certain sections.
>>1815847It's faster than cars and for short distances it's faster than airplanes also
>>1815877It is. But you need good local transit, too. Not gonna take a train only to rent a car in Downtown LA of all places in the city.
>>1815732So did you just not look at the map or are you deliberately being a moron?
>>1815931That's why you also build light rail and bike lines along roads and zone those areas for attached houses and retail
>>1815722You're right. The biggest HSR project in the US, CAHSR, has been plagued with every problem an infrastructure project could have, and none of the results expected. As a result, unless it starts servicing something to the tune of a few million passengers per year, future HSR projects will be dead, politically speaking.>>1815784Sad; regional rail is probably the best call for serious mass transit in the US. It often means pretty straightforward updates on existing rail lines, is significantly less expensive, and can actually service local commuters instead of having to focus on intercity/interstate transit.
>>1815931Why not have the HSR stop at the airport, that would allow for good rail-air connections, and you can rent a car there just like if you came by plane.
>>1816235>and none of the results expectedits literally being built right nowlike, right now, with guys in helmets and boots pouring concrete and stuff
>>1816242Both those things are intercity transit. You want last-mile connections to the airport. A tram or bus station at an airport makes an order of magnitude more sense.
>>1816246reasons why airport can have bus station and tram station but not train station:
>>1816247I never said no to train station, I said no to high speed rail stations. If you're talking a regional service, then yes, that makes a lot of sense. The only reason to put an HSR stop there would be if you're making an integrated transit hub for a city, which isn't a bad design either. That said, HSR-air connectivity isn't really a necessity. HSR's most marketable use is to replace short flights that are borderline driving distance, not for daily commutes, so treat an HSR stop similar in use to airports.
>>1816251>I never said no to train station, I said no to high speed rail stationswhat's the difference?
>>1815877Not necessarily. Short hop flights are usually from small airports where tsa takes like 3 minutes at most.
>>1816259Electric regional rail that travels near 150-200kph is cheap compared to true HSR
>>1815732This.Airplane>19th century tech.Stop living in the past, autists.
>>1816277Checking in, security, embarking, disembarking and taxing takes hours for a typical flight. On top of that most people are trained to arrive hours early if they don't want to miss their flights, so that whole process is like 3-4 hours of non-flight time spent at airports. Then if you don't have quality public transit to get there and in the destination city you are spending time in car traffic and have the overhead of parking or car rentals or taxis.VS you take transit to the HSR station and board the train and then transit to your destination.If we had HSR between Toronto and Montreal, it would take about 3hrs total to get from my apartment in Toronto to my friend's place in Montreal vs about 5-6 with flying.
>this thread againfuck off (((Alon))) stop shilling your stupid tweets
>>1815722Looks so nice too. Being able to get around the east coast on train like that would be sweet. I hate buses and don't want to fly.
>>1816297>3-4 hours of non-flight time spent at airportsLaughably false. The average time to go through tsa at LaGuardia is 20 minutes, and it’s way faster to take a cab than transit, because driving is faster than transit. Airports are even more convenient than HSR stations anyways because they’re not located in the most congested part of the city, the center.
>>1816297>3-4 hours of non-flight time spent at airportsLMAO
>>1816306New York has by far the worst airport connection of any major city in the world
>>1816306Based. I’m always the person they’re calling for at the gate 5 minutes late but guess what? I had to finish my lamb chops at the club lounge.
>>1815722HSR needs a strong backbone of regional rail services to feed itunfortunately america lacks that
>>1816246>wanting to force passengers to use their city's fucking metro/tram, adding an extra connection and trip time to the point where people will just say fuck it I'll driveNo thanks. HSR terminals at airport terminals make a lot of sense. The airport is already built to handle large traffic flows, pick-ups and drop-offs, and car rentals. Making people ride a tram from a rail terminal to the airport is stupid
>>1816306>airports are more convenient because they're located far from all the people
>>1816350Most people in a city aren't in one place.
>>1815796If the flooding and sinkholes don’t get it.
Untill you can move people from ny to la faster and cheaper than a plane it will never work
>>1815732didn't even look at the fucking map
>>1815722>It's another HSR obsessed retard threadMake actual subway systems, bike lanes, and frequent buses first. Basic shit people need on a daily basis. No one cares about HSR that lets some executive [bullshot job] cunt hop from city to city for a meeting he could easily do on a zoom call.
>>1816245That's been true for a very long time. And there's only construction on what was supposed to be a cheap and easy portion. The urban portions in the Bay Area and Los Angeles have been downgraded to using at-grade commuter rail ROW, and neither of the two mountain passes that need to be built have any funding. It's so problematic that Democrat lawmakers in California don't want to release bond money specifically earmarked for it.
>>1816501based, this guy gets it
>>1816501>Basic shit people need on a daily basis.People don't need bike lanes on a daily basis
>>1816657People would use bike lines if you could actually get where you need to go on a daily basis with them and weren't at the mercy of the people in cars pissed off at traffic.
>>1816660Let's worry about real transportation solutions first, then your little bike lanes
>>1816662The real transportation solution is segregating car, train, bike and foot traffic into their own thoroughfares so they are not bogged down by inter-modal traffic or by too much congestion of one mode.I think if you want to drive that's fine. But your worst enemy as a driver is all the intersections that have to be build to allow traffic to merge and the combination of different modes of traffic on the same infrastructure.
>>1816664Exactly, that's why we should work on real transportation solutions like improved intersection timing, trams & metros, reliable bus services, and after that if there's anything left over can go to bicycle lanes.
>>1816666The problem with excluding bike (and pedestrian) infrastructure is that if the source and destination are not bike and foot friendly the effectiveness of train, metro, tram and bus service in increasing mobility while reducing car congestion will be reduced.If you build high quality transit from a car-dependent location to a car-dependent location, people would rather just drive for convenience. But if the neighbourhood you live in has everything you need within walking or biking distance and the destination has everything you need within walking or biking distance then huge amounts of people will have no problem whatsoever with abandoning their cars.You are still thinking about it from the perspective of "get these other people out of my way" rather than "get as many people to where they want to go safely and quickly". As long as you have that frame of mind you're not going to solve anything.In a well designed city, people can live in single family homes or spacious apartments, go to work, do grocery shopping, and do what they want for recreation without a car.
>>1816672I didn't say exclude pedestrian infrastructure. Bike lanes should simply be given the lowest priority among transport items that need to be addressed.
>>1816680Why? As a troll to bike riders?It makes more sense to not just be able to walk to the grocery store, but have a bike with panniers which you can use to carry groceries with you without much effort.
>>1815722It would cost trillions of dollars and hundreds of years to build it out.
>>1816689>bike with panniers for groceriesNot a faggot, so no
>>1816755How does using a bag that you can attach to a bike to get groceries make you a faggot?
>>1815722>buffalo as a HSR hubI'm cooooming
>>1816786same way that using a rolling backpack makes you autistic
>>1815722To be fair, does Phoenix need a HSR link to LA?I mean, their airport is right in the city centre.
>>1817532I thought one of the main reasons to get HSR was to reduce air travel?
>>1817533Right. I didn't see it from that angle.
>>1815722>Live in Burlington>Have to travel with “people” from B*ston and C*nadians
Im a pilot and I would give my left nut to ride a fast train in these regional transit corridorsi cannot imagine anyone, anyone who prefers putting up with the shit at HOU-DFW or DCA-BOS metro area traffic, TSA bullshit even with known crew member (it sucks, period), just for the pleasure of riding in a CRJ that might break at any moment in the gate, be #20 for departure at LaGuardia, or just have the whole thing canceled altogether because of weather. I mean the weather delays alone, baka Airlines will always have a purpose in America, but anyone who prefers an airline solely between these cities linked on the map needs to fly more and experience the mayhem
>>1815722We should just join the BRI and let China build It for us: https://youtu.be/fzl11OAg-mE
>>1818173>10 train derailments a week
Why can't we just have high speed rail from one side on Los Angeles to the other? These grand visions of shuttling people across vast wastelands so they can take photos of their food and post to Instagram?
>>1818299I just want a rail line from the valley to west la
>>1818167It's not even much cheaper to take a train.
>>1816306When people fly, they don't care about AVERAGE time through security, they care about the distribution of possible times, because missing your flight is much worse than wasting time at the airport.
>>1816296There's no 19th century trains in the rolling stock of any HSR.And if there is I'd like to ride it please.
>>1818307Best I can do is a discount monorail.
>>1816354which is why the center is the best option