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I recently visited Italy and I realized that American streets are at least twice as wide as they need to be.
In Italy they have way less highways, streets are tiny, and everyone gets around fine. Goods gets delivered and life goes on without needing an acre of asphalt for every store.

>inb4 you only visited touristey areas
Lol nope, my gf’s Italian and we went to her hometown for 3 nights and her dad took us around on the highways.
There’s just no need for the amount of highways and massive streets we have in America.
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That's because European cities were built before cars were invented so they are planned out with people in mind, not cars.

In North America just about all urban planning is laid out with cars in mind, not people.
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>>1815717
Virtually all American cities were built before the 20th century. Most European cities were barely 1/5th of their current size at the same period. The truth is that American destroyed their cities and rebuilt them for cars.
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>>1815736
Yes that's correct
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>>1815702
>/n/ - fee fees about cars
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>>1815778
It does make us look very fucking stupid to the rest of the first world
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>>1815783
So?
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>>1815702
I'm from a small town in rural italy and cars seriously do not belong here even though everyone uses them. We have pretty good public transit but its just not enough from keeping boomers and terroni to park their shitty fucking volvos in stretts as small as op's pic.
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>>1815778
How is your post any different faggot? Go suck a tailpipe.
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>>1815778
>>1815783
hesrighttho.jpg
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>>1815903
Complaining about Breezewood is reddit
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>>1815707
OP is about road widths, not zoning you mong.
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>>1815702
>US GDP per capita: $65k
>Italty GDP per capita: $32k
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>>1816009
and yet italy seems like a much nicer place to live
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>>1815702
You've never tried to drive and park around these roads.
>>1816103
It is.
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>>1816009
your point being?
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>>1815702
la prossima volta vieni a Cinisello che ti mostro la mia collezione di coltelli
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>>1815702
Just a 600 year old mall, where people do the same shit, drive to it, park, and walk around. We already have plenty of these. Next.
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>>1815702
> less highways
>Goods gets delivered
>amount of highways
you should have visited 4th grade english class instead
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>>1815903
>>1816063
like pottery
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>>1816120
Of course not, I never had to drive and park on those roads because they're built for humans, not cars.
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>>1816126
Nah, people live on that street and all the streets surrounding it.
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>>1815842
Does your town have a good train stop?

I was really impressed with Italy's fast rail, but I noticed it could use some expansion.
For example Sienna was a beautiful city but apparently there was no train there.
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>>1815717
Pretty sure they stopped building streets like that well before cars because narrow streets like that were associated with slums housing the poorest of the poor and breeding grounds for disease. You could barely move a horse or a cart through places like that much less accommodate the foot traffic in a high density like that.
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>>1816125
don't do it; it's a trap.
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Prettymuch. There's ultimately no point in building 5-lane roads downtown.
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>>1816120
When I visited Rome there were plenty of neighborhoods with room for onstreet parking, and people parked there.
But something like a parking lot was prettymuch unfathomable.
Same goes for the smaller towns I visited on the east coast. You'd see on-street parking and some spaces around back, but the overall level of space devoted to parking was 5-10% what you'd see in an American city.
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>>1816394
>Does your town have a good train stop?
it's good but only if you're going to the cities nearby which could be good enough, i have no problem in going to my train station and get to where i want in the same time lenght it would take me if i where to go by car, if we're talking going to a different city 40 minutes from here or more.
The problem is short to mid transit, we need a tram system to nearby villages and more buses in general aswell as bike lanes connecting the miriad of villages we have in the North.
In terms of population Italy is very dense for it's size, i don't see a problem in interconnecting even the smallest towns.
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>>1815842
This jesus christ so much this
>>1816394
Italian high speed rail is good and in constant expansion.
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>>1816579
This.
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Italian streets are based just wish they weren’t so rough, it would make getting around by bike a lot easier. A lot of time the narrow streets make for sketchy riding especially in the hillier parts.
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>>1815717
Anon, people started building wide streets in residential areas long before cars were invented. Narrow streets like those only propagated in dense, unplanned slums before the 19th century.
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>>1815717
>there are no narrow streets in european cities
t.has never been to europe
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>>1816658
>posts a picture from 50 years ago
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meanwhile, 2 feet away..
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>>1816719
NOOO IT CANT BE
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>>1816641
You are obviously not a woman. Got the femanons out there, if you ever feel lonely, just take your bike, sit next yo the pointy big of the saddle and go for the paved roads
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>>1816690
I get that you are trolling, but w/e
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>>1816719
WTF NOOOO MUH HECKING SOVLERINO AND WALKERINO NOOOO
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>>1816372
Picture on the bottom doesn't show the road and that's the entire point. You failed.
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>>1816740
>complaining about context
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>>1817038
No matter the angle there is 0 walkability and you're required to use a car.
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>>1817038
It's still awful no matter what angle you take a picture of it from
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>>1817045
Yeah, wonder why that is, that an area near an interstate junction caters to drivers rather than pedestrians
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>>1817045
>>1817047
It's a big highway stop, you're not meant to live there
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>>1817045
>there's literally no pedestrian signs at every single intersection there
>you can't even cross the street on foot to avoid driving across it
god that must make you rage so badly
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>>1817063
I should be able to live there if I want to.
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>>1817154
You can

You mean you should be able to live there and have it meet all of your personal criteria that you deem "necessary"
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>>1816370
not sure your post sounds as intelligent as you think it is
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>>1816719
I saw a mile or longer traffic jam when I was in southwest Germany. The Europe doesn't have traffic issues meme is so retarded
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>>1817045
>Why can't a highway rest stop in the middle of nowhere be walkable?
Please tell me you're trolling.
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>>1817045
how you've managed to survive this long while being this retarded is a miracle tbqh
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>>1817164
shoo shoo ESL
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I'm always impressed with the bus drivers who manage to navigate the tiny Sicilian streets up the sides of hills. They're fucking maestros.
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>>1815702
I recently visited your mom and realized Italian women are at least twice as wide as they need to be.
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>>1815702
You forget that in America everyone is three italian people wide
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>>1817058
>>1817063
>>1817094
>>1817207
>>1817264
>interstate rest stops don't benefit from being walkable
Tell me you've never left the US without telling me. If you can't walk anywhere every single shop is going to need their own parking lot. Because you can't just park your car at the gas station after filling it up and walk to the McDonalds on the other side of the street for food. No, you've gotta get in your car and drive across the street for it. It's good to walk a bit after you've sat in your car for hours.
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>>1817945
>Tell me you've never left the US without telling me.
Untrue, I took a cruise ship to Cozumel once.

>It's good to walk a bit after you've sat in your car for hours.
Stop intrinsically believing you know what's better for other people
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>>1815702
Ok now try to fit a Lamborghini thru there.
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>>1817951
Nah that would ruin it, it’s a beautiful place so it doesn’t need cars.
Police and delivery vehicles can get through when needed though.
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>>1817950
But it's an objective fact that exercise is good for your health
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>>1818080
Walking across a street instead of driving across a street to get fast food isn't going to increase anyone's health anon
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>>1818121
The impact will be miniscule, sure. But not zero.
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>>1816719
>highways exist so uh, point disproven!
the majority of american cities outside of the old big ones have roads this size going straight through them with the same walkability. not just outside of cities (what a highway is designed for)
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>>1818133
Still not worth the costs of it
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>>1818141
But the costs are lower if you have to build less road. I'm starting to get really tired of your lazy idiocy.
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>>1818121
That in no way disproves the post you replied to.
It just looks like you have a learning disability.

Walking is good for your health.
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>>1816372
One is dense concentration of hundreds of unique businesses, the other a sprawl of gas stations and goy slop vendors.
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>>1818144
People who are on the interstate are on it because they want to cover a long distance, especially in Breezewood where close to 100% of the traffic is just passing through because it's a highway junction and nothing else. Making it walkable will spend money and benefit virtually no one, find a better idea

>>1818149
No it makes perfect sense.
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>>1816391
Living in the mall is the bad idea.
Next.
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>>1818161
Making it walkable now would be expensive. But making it walkable when originally building it would've been cheaper because they could've done less parking spaces in total because every little shop wouldn't have needed their own parking spaces. And if it had been made walkable originally it would've benefited everyone going through it.

>>1817950
>>1818121
Sitting for extended periods of time can cause blood clots. So yes, getting out of your car and walking across the street to get fast food is in fact a lot healthier than going through the drive through and getting that same exact fast food serving. Especially on long trips.
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>>1818188
If it was cheaper or better they'd have already been doing it

>So yes, getting out of your car and walking across the street to get fast food is in fact a lot healthier than
You don't get to make that decision. You will NEVER have that kind of power. Btw, people will still drive across the road to get a burger after filling up
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>>1818192
Can you show the mental gymnastics of how laying down more asphalt and doing more work is cheaper
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>>1815783
Who the fuck cares? I like cars, convenient for me.
>Live in 20k population town
>Work at plant 30 miles from the nearest town
>Nearest town has 300 people
>Get to commute through rolling agricultural hills and forests
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>>1818188
Why does this cagetroll think walking across the street to get fast food is the only possible trip you could make?

He must be morbidly obese. Not the kind of guy I’d trust for health advice.

Walking is good for your health and Americans would have much longer lifespans if they walked more.
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>>1818269
I'll give it to him that on an American highway rest stop the only things you can do is buy gas and goy slop. So about the only thing you'd walk across the street is for buying goy slop.
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>>1818198
Looks like I struck a nerve
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>>1818159
>PLACE, JAPAN
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>>1817945
is this really the hill you're willing to die on? walkability for rest stops?
Either underage, or genuinely have 80iq
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>>1820305
Damn it would suck to have those windows looking directly into someone else’s window 5 feet away
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>>1815702
Wrong conclusion, Italian streets should be at least twice as wide and stay walkable
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I'd like for rest areas to be more walkable too, but that's near the bottom of my list. A world where that's my top complaint would be paradise.
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>>1820309
he does know about curtains
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>>1817038
euros will never understand why these exist because you could throw a pebble from one of their cunts to next one
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>>1820325
But then they'd be unbearable heat traps in the summer.
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>>1815736
>The truth is that American destroyed their cities and rebuilt them for cars.
It's nice to see /pol/ isn't the only board with revisionist history
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>>1815702
I was born and raised in the United states and I've lived in Italy for several years. The roads are the same. Old ones are smaller. Highways are huge. There's differences but not in size.
And you do not get around fine in the cramped ass nigger ridden chinese economy fueling shitholes that used to be Italian cities.
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>>1816579
Suppose you want to be able to drive places without killing yourself due to traffic?
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>>1820305
Suppose I drove a proper sized pickup truck down this road
Would people get upset?
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>>1820789
How many "another lane"s are we supposed to pave until it's enough to satisfy traffic demands?
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>>1820413
It's ironic because when I went to /pol/ to anti-cage/anti-oil/anti-car-dependency/anti-suburban-sprawl troll them because they're losing their shit about gas prices, they REE as hard as the left. They said big oil is a leftist boogeyman what gun grabbing is to the right, lel.
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>>1820796
ALL OF THEM
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>>1820796
As many as it takes
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>>1820790
>mamma mia you don'ta liva here
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>>1820796
You don’t need to do this if your city isn’t constantly growing in population.
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>>1816394
siena has a train station outside the medieval walls
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>>1821153
Correction: You need to do this if your city is growing in population and it's all 3000 sqft single family sprawl added on the outer edges.
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>>1820305
not a single spic or nigger in sight... how positively charming and relaxing.
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>>1815702
>be on /n/
>make this post
Welcome aboard newfren, you're gonna start hating American urban planning so much from now on
>>1816372
The signs aren't the problem, retard
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>>1817038
Ok this is great then, but you know well that this kind of environment is also built where it shouldn't, separating residential and commercial areas only makes quality of life worse
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>>1815702
t.
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>>1816690
Laid out in the mid 1600's. This is planning ahead.
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>>1815702
Walkable neigborhood
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>>1823429
mid 1800's you absolute out-of-depth retard.

look up Haussmann

Paris was narrow as shit before that.
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>>1823465
as much as everyone loves haussmann and paris, the boulevards are so wide that they aren't as comfy as random italian cities.
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>>1823465
>look up Haussmann
look up Louis XIV and Jean-Baptiste Colbert
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>>1823429
>>1823465
Haussman built those wide boulevards because it would make rebellion harder. The narrower streets, the easier it is to get away and get lost in the crowd. It's also easier for an army to maintain visual contact throughout an uprising if you have superwide streets.
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>>1823433
Favelas aren't so good, but some latam shitpits are surprisingly comfy
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>>1823433
Looks like a cool mosaic painting. Wish we had this in America.
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Welcome to hell
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>>1823433
god i wish i lived here so i could walk everywhere god i love walking so much hey guys dont you love walking fuck me i could walk smewhere right now so i can walk to where i walked to
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>>1828029
what if road is slightly obscure
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>>1828132
https://youtu.be/Np9YQkzOwx0 This place is fucked for bikes lad unless you’re on a TT bike on the training circuit (and a car doesn’t want to use it)
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>>1815702
Muori yankee di merda.
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>>1815842
>small town
>pretty good public transit
Dimmi dove o sei gay
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>>1828228
i piccoli comuni intorno le citta del nord sono così.
una decina di fermate di regionale e sei in centro a milano.
i comuni più vicini a milano hanno addirittura le linee atm estese (per esempio arese)
>inb4 >milano
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>>1823433
OMGOMGOMG YASSS PLSSS YASSS WE NEED THIS OMG THINK OF LE MULTI FAMILY HOUSING WAOW
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>>1828132
*smiles weakly*



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