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Is this gonna be worth the money?
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No.
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No
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in what way do you mean 'worth the money', op. like there will undoubtedly be books written about project management (or lack of) but, the California High Speed Rail project is currently under construction.
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>>1810740
Who will this serve exactly? Why is /n/ obsessed with high speed rails, when inner city rails are what is actually needed?
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>viaducts in the middle of nowhere
According to transit nerds the project is spending too much money on parts that should cost the least.
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No
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>starting around fresno
>not starting at san fransisco or LA, where it could be the most useful in an incomplete state
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>>1811019
Replacing short-hop flights means drawing passengers doesn't require solving the last-mile problem, which is hard. Airplanes don't bring you straight to your door either so that's not a consideration for inter-city travel. Once trains become a valued mode of transportation in this country again, demand for them will increase and then we can start looking at building trams in the cities.

Competing with the convenience of cars is extremely difficult.
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>>1811034
>Once trains become a valued mode of transportation in this country again
Not going to happen. With the advent and rise of small VTOL air transport there won't be a need, since its just as, if not more precise and doesn't require nearly as much infrastructure. The only real use for rail will be intra-city commuting.
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>>1811034
You have it all backwards. First, give people the option to live without a car in their day to day life (inner-city rail, subway, good buses, cycling paths). Then, the "last mile problem" won't be a thing.
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>>1811034
>Once trains become a valued mode of transportation in this country again
Not going to happen. With the advent and rise of water based air transport there won't be a need, since its just as, if not more precise and doesn't require nearly as much infrastructure. The only real use for rail will be intra-city commuting.
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>>1811071
>requires water
>requires take off and landing space
>gas powered i.e. not future proof
>can't land anywhere, has to be a large open space far from city centers
If you're going to be disingenuous, do it right.
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Why didn't they just build it directly between San Fran and LA? Then Add on Sacramento and San Diego
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>>1811071
Anon, not everyone lives in Polynesia.
Real countries tend to be built on firm landmasses.
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>>1811076
Because like most Californian infrastructure plans, all the money is going to disappear and nothing will be built anyways.
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>>1811073
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>>1811073
>he fell for the peak oil meme
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>>181103
>Once trains become a valued mode of transportation in this country again
Not going to happen. With the advent and rise of horse & cart based land transport there won't be a need, since its just as, if not more precise and doesn't require nearly as much infrastructure. The only real use for rail will be intra-city commuting.
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>>1811059
Doing so would require the construction of many hundreds if not thousands of miles of rail in urban areas (where land acquisition and construction costs are high) or the demolition and reconstruction of tens of millions of buildings. If we wait for that nothing will ever get done.
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>>1811096
Its not about peak oil, normies have been brainwashed into "ICE = bad" and the market is changing to reflect that. Any manufacturers who doesn't change will be buried by those who do. Blame Big Science, they're the ones pushing the "if people don't go electric we're all going to die but pay no heed to lithium mining and battery production pollution" narrative.
Welcome to clown world, here's your complementary hornnose.
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>>1811059
French showed that it is possible to first build a HSR station, then further the development of urban transit based on such station.
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>>1811101
>treads zip tied on
jinkies
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>>1810740
>worth the money
No. A lot more good could have been done with the money being spent on it. And the way it was constructed was poor. As has been said, there's way too many viaducts in the Central Valley. Building a station in Madera is retarded, and not connecting it to the San Joaquins in the same station in Fresno is ultra retarded. Building out the Kings Canyon station is dubious to begin with and dumb at this stage. Should have just purchased the ROW to build the station later. The alignment is poor and dubious. Not that it goes to Fresno and Bakersfield, people saying it shouldn't are misguided, although including Merced in the initial section is dubious once it was decided to go over Pacheco instead of Altamont. The biggest problems are that doing anything in this country, especially California, is a pain in the ass; there was no special legislative effort to give the authority more power to complete it; the authority until recently has been gigaretarded, and is now at least in line with typical levels of retardation; the authority has been continuously funded since 1996, 12 years before the project went to a vote in 2008, but didn't have a specific alignment reviewed, studied, and environmentally cleared after those 12 years; and there is zero institutional knowledge on how to build any of it and no long term planning on integrating with the rest of the state (missing Amtrak connection in Fresno, no plan of Metrolink integration in LA, CalTrain had to buy clown cars with doors at different heights because there was no decisive planning on what height platforms would be in the system).
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>>1810740
>cost: $105 billion
It's debatable whether HSR from Los Angeles to Seattle would be worth that much, let alone from Merced to Bakersfield
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>>1811059
>solve the last-mile problem and the last-mile problem won't be a thing
you're a genuis, anon
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>>1810740
High quality transit pays for itself in the long run with the economic development and cost efficiencies it creates in the economy.

What you should want is a HSR backbone and quality local systems that interchange with them composed of metro lines, LRT's, and tram systems for getting around the city.

Not needing a car saves you 100's of thousands of dollars over your lifetime
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>>1811421
>pays for itself in the long run
This depends how much it costs. Everything has a price.
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>Is this gonna be worth the money?
What about the Texas Central bullet train? Is that gonna be worth the money? It seems to be better managed than CAHSR
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>>1811451
That won't be worth anything because it won't get built, but if it did get built at the quoted costs or at least relatively near it would be a vastly better ROI than CAHSR
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>>1810740
Worth the money? Absolutely not. The current cost overruns and delays have made CAHSR into a flagship "don't invest in HSR" case study.
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>>1811021
Do you not understand how high speed rail works? HSR has to have very gentle gradient and extremely large curve radius. You end up with tunnel-viaduct-tunnel-viaduct-tunnel pattern when HSR needs to go through mountainous regions such as basically all of Japan, the Massif highlands in France, or California.
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>>1811522
>the Central Valley
>Mountainous
Anon, it's one of the flattest places in the country. Today's irrigation canals were originally build to keep the whole thing from turning into a lake every spring. Pic related.
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>>1811537
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>wouldn't want to interrupt that dirt path!
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Why can chinks build cheap viaducts but not burgermutts?
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>>1811546
Cheap and plentiful totally not slave labour.
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>>1811655
Then use third world labor through complicated subcontratural deals where the workers are payed in the third world at thrid world rates. Happens all the time in the EU
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>>1811451
>it's dead
https://thetexan.news/texas-central-high-speed-rail-ceo-carlos-aguilar-announces-departure/
>A Spanish news site in Madrid, “La Informacion,” reported that the entire management team of Texas Central has departed, and the project has entered “a hibernation phase in search for financing.”
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>>1811019
all the worthless bureaucrats and govt contractors bleeding the state dry
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>>1811546
America can't into imminent domain + lots of extra costs from contractors and nobody in America knows how to build HSR so it costs a lot trying to regain that institutional knowledge
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>>1811733
>imminent domain
Fuck Americans are dumb
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>>1811702
Many states can make slick PDFs and ArcGIS storyboards, but only FLORIDA MAN has the strength to see it through
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>>1811544
That looks to be going over a wash. When significant rain hits that area, the dirt path you're looking at probably turns to a flash flood plain. I'm guessing you knew that, unless you're completely unfamiliar with geography.
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>>1811735
i thought brightline used existing track?
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>>1811904
It does, at least for the most part
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>takes you from Bakersfield to Madera
absolute worst use of money. Cant believe they thought taking you from one lame ass central valley city into another was gonna be a good thing.
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>>1810740
Considering the equivalent capacity of extra highway lanes, runways, and airport gates would cost a lot more... Yes.

But America has a massive infrastructure cost problem. This project easily could be done for 1/3 the price or less in Spain, France, Korea, Japan, etc.
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>>1811996
Nigger, how fucking stupid are you? That was literally just the easiest place to start building where they already had the land acquired and plans approved.
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>>1812051
>Considering the equivalent capacity of extra highway lanes, runways, and airport gates would cost a lot more
Nope
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>>1812051
>CAHSR: $100 billion and climbing
>annual budget of the US Department of Transportation, FY 2020: $86.6 billion
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>>1812052
And now that it turned out to be more expensive than expected, there's no money left to do the hard part and make this into a useful project. It'd be easy to build a a railroad across North Dakota too.
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>>1810740
Yep, but:
> Moratory on increasing highway capacity
> HOV on all highways
> EVs and PZEVs are not able to use the HOV anymore, we need less cars period. Not less car pollution.
> Tax all airline passengers flying less than a day's drive (~ 300 miles)
> More random TSA searches
> Cyclist space on all trains
> P+R on feeder stations
> B+R
> Great public transport connection on all stations

That's how you make it useful
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>>1812186
Or we could just deport the extra 100 million people we have and enjoy empty highways.
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>>1812186
Or you can just except people don’t wanna ride your gay ass train
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>>1812189
Based
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>>1812188
How about we nuke suburbia?
> the nation's IQ increases 10 points
> no karens spewing hate on adbook
> no fucking suvs occupying 3 parking spaces at once
> no stupid karens pretending to know how to drive and dinging everyone's car
> radiation keeps people away, so instant nature conservation area
> kills boomers solving wealth concentration problems and healthcare loads
And best of all:
> no traffic

There. 80% of US problems are solved. Now redirect funding to immigration control and elect real politicians.
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>projected cost: 100-250 billion dollars
just to serve a tiny fraction of people that will just fly from spot to spot anyways
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>>1811059
>give people the option to live without a car in their day to day life
You either pay for the convenience of living near the transit stop, or you pay to live away from it and own/operate a car. The no-car option almost always costs more unless you can stand to live like a college student.
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>>1811735
That's going to be one empty train. Imagine the owners of the multi-million dollar homes in the picture ever using such a thing. On top of that, using the existing freight ROW means it's going to have to deal with grade crossings and scheduling issues with rail bridges for boat access.
The coastal towns this goes through don't want it. They have no use for it, and consider it a dangerous nuisance since in many places the tracks go right through the downtown area. It needs to be closer to I95 than Route 1 and it certainly needs to be on a dedicated viaduct.
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>>1810740
Yes I think so. I don't even like it but eventually California is going to get even bigger as the energy crisis makes living in flyover country unaffordable.
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You have to remember when this plan was voted on, gasoline was $5 a gallon.
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>>1812214
>going to be
It already exists and gets over a million riders annually kek
>small towns and homeowners along the route
It's an intercity train. Nobody ever expected them to ride it. If that changes later, there are always infill stations.
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>>1812240
>as the energy crisis makes living near sources of food, water, and electricity unaffordable
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>>1812240
Flyovers are actually projected to grow as climate change makes living in drought prone areas like California and the Sun Belt prohibitively expensive for basic utilities and services.
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>>1811240
That's not the. Most of the Merced to Bakersfield segment. Christ you people are dumb.
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>>1812200
Everything you said here is wrong. But no surprise given that you're the product of multigenerational incest.
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>>1812322
That's not the issue at all you fucking retard.
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>>1812073
Fuck you nigger. It's objectively true and has been repeatedly confirmed by actual, observed fucking costs.
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>>1811546
I was working on these viaduct piles, AMA
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>>1812379
How prevalent were situations like pic related?
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>>1812392
>How prevalent were situations like pic related?
anytime work was impeded by some sort of obstruction, this would happen while the obstruction was resolved... wasnt too often... ive actually seen this way more often on other projects, but i would guess that is because they streamlined the building of endless viaduct piles.

but there was a safety guy who would show up to make the work take much more longer = much more billable hours
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>>1812333
>My preferred urbanite blogger said cars bad! Planes bad too!
Pottery
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>>1810740
No.
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This country is fucking retarded, as are most people in this thread. This exact type of system has been proven to be effective in countries all over the world and built much more cheaply, including in many countries with high wages.

The average American is a dumb fuck who thinks better things aren't possible and that things done years or decades ago by other first world countries somehow can't be done here. And all of those people should do us a favor and kill themselves.
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>>1812492
>is CAHSR gonna be worth the money
>if California were in Spain, a system like CAHSR would be worth the money
Anon, you're the retard. OP's question could not have been clearer.
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>>1812330
>People will abandon flyovers
>Post reasons why people won't
>Be the retard
To your one and only rationale behind why people move (which congrats, you're a one track minded retard) energy production in the really flyover flyovers is actually projected to grow quite a bit as wind energy is built. The Great Plains are a part of the country where wind energy has a competitive cost per kilowatt hour compared to solar, nuclear, or fossil fuels. They're also fairly dry, making solar a cost-competitive means of power generation there as well. Energy prices are not pricing anyone out of flyover country any time soon.
>tl;dr
People aren't leaving flyovers to California. This isn't the Dust Bowl.
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>>1812519
i mean, if you're going to put words into peoples' mouths and then in the same breath call them stupid for the words you put into their mouth...
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>>1811076
To first order, because 'Murica.
IIRC land acquisition/lawsuit defense was cheaper in the valley, certainly the terrain is better.
Certain interests apparently owned land that had to be acquired for the ROW.
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>>1812492
>and built much more cheaply, including in many countries with high wages.
No feasible political route to doing that. Even a SpaceX of infrastructure would drown in obstruction and complacency.
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>>1812329
What did I say that was wrong you trannypedo?

They have already spent 12 billion for almost nothing and no tracks laid down

the first line that they will (never) complete is going from fucking merced to bakersfield

it will never make it though the mountains
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>>1811103
All you need is better city buses in most cities
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTt_mk86bAw
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>>1812770
saving you a click: ehhhhhh construction is slow and expensive, subscribe to my patreon, ehhhhhhhhh why not done??, do i have any original thoughts or input or perspective? (crickets.wav)
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>>1812757
Building trams is merely difficult. Making the American city bus good is impossible.
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>>1810740
Highly doubtful it will ever be finished. CA politicians use the HSR to launder their money, it's never been about building a train.
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>>1811034
>Replacing short-hop flights
No, it needs to replace cars, not flights. A very small fraction of total passenger volume is sub-hour intrastate flights. The problem is there is no "middle niche" for transit in the US - Americans are fine with driving 4-8 hours one way if it means having a car at your destination. Taking the train would have to be substantially cheaper than cars to overcome the "road trip culture" we have.
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>>1814684
Good luck with that.
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>>1812186
>yes, what california needs is MORE regulation
kys. short helicopter ride is what you need.
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>>1814684
making the train appealing to americans means reviving america's extinct regional rail
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>>1812200
so this is the power of numtots
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>>1814688
>Not operating a system of small jets to taxi people up and down the coast
California really could've used the same (or smaller) price tag for a lot cooler transit system that would move the same volume of people just as fast.
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>>1812379
im still working in california
I was at a hwy overpass jobsite and i asked why they were inactive for a while and they replied "a bird laid eggs her and we had to halt construction for a month"
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>>1815464
I hope it was an extreemly endangered bird, otherwise wtf
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>>1811546
Rubber stamp assessment and inspection
Cheaper materials of variable quality
>>1811655

Cheap has a cost. I have no doubt that some structures might be sufficiently sound to stand but we will continue to hear of collapses not to mention emergent environmental problems in the years to come.

>>1811502
Cost overruns and delays is what happens when you let "lowest bidder" take precedence over all else.
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>>1815601
This is what is known as red tape
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>>1815601
based Americans protecting their natural heritage
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>>1815464
>noooooooooooo why would you need wildlife when you have another road
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>>1810740
>>1811240
>cost: $105 billion
Is the whole project actually really that expensive by it's standards?
Considering how the US lacks the complete institutional experience of building HSRs, how HSRs are necessary for the far larger American intercity rail distances and there only very limited amounts of existing track which can be used, it really doesn't feel that absurdly expensive.
And yes, I very much know it to be still not cheap.
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>>1815773
First segment costs $77M/km, that's about 3x as much as the last French HSR segment (LGV Est, built in the 2010's).
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>>1815769
>>noooooooooooo why would you need wildlife when you have another road
20 million dollar overpass now cost 30million dollars, dont worry, the governement is paying for it
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>>1815790
>First segment costs $77M/km, that's about 3x as much as the last French HSR segment (LGV Est, built in the 2010's).
not to mention the first segment goes through flat empty farmland. the following segments will go through mountains then sububrbs/cities
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>>1811546
The project is porkbarreled to hell and back in the state senate. AMA, CAfag here and I remember this project being a boondoogle when I was in middleschool back the on 07-09.
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>>1815893
Well, the suburban and urban segments are actually not a near term problem, because CAHSR is just sidestepping the issue by using commuter rail ROW.
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>>1810740
$100 billion dollar
The slowest "High Speed Rail" in the world
Takes over 30+ years
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>>1810740
The original sin was not sending it straight down I-5. It literally fits in the median and would have brapped down to LA in record time. We could have tossed the central valley faggots a couple billion to improve san joaquins instead of rerouting the entire HSR there and fighting with farmers over land for a decade.
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>>1822618
>straight down I-5
There's a number of reasons why that's not a good or practical idea
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>>1822622
ok consultant
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>>1822622
Name some.
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>>1822694
Track geometry needed for 200+mph is different than a road planned for 80mph traffic.

The gradient may be excessive in portions of the highway ROW.

The median, if not wide enough, would need to be widened by moving existing lanes outward, which entail building 'new' lanes for the highway.

Existing overpasses would be a hindrance (pylon placement/overhead clearance) and most would probably need to be rebuilt at the cost of several million dollars each.

There is little median space available in urbanized areas.

Rail stations in highway medians are unappealing from the rider's perspective.

Maintenance of way becomes more difficult because the rail line in the median cannot be easily accessed by maintenance vehicles.

Finally, highways aren't a destination. People want to go to towns and cities along them, so route the rail line to serve them instead.
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>>1822618
>>1822694
If they had done the I5 alignment, the project would literally be dead. Bizarrely, we're in the only timeline where the route might actually get finished. Even ignoring that the project would not have been approved by voters without going through the Central Valley, that there are millions of people in the Central Valley that got fucked over by I5 getting routed away from them in the first place, and that it is prime for growth, had the project started on I5 it would be cancelled. Up until a few years ago CAHSRA (the organization founded in the 90s and tasked with building HSR) was staffed by the dumbest motherfuckers in the state and they were pissing away money and time and would have done so no matter where they were building. If the I5 alignment had been done, they'd have pissed away the same amount of money they already have, the project would be just as unpopular, and it would literally be a train to nowhere. With the ends in the literal desert away from all civilizations and no money to get across the mountains into SF or LA, it would be completely useless and get cancelled. Because the alignment went through actual cities, and ends in actual cities, along a preexisting popular rail route, they have enough funding to begin revenue service within the decade along a route where millions of people live. Once this service begins or becomes inevitable, the Bay Area will see there is one straightforward link between them and bona fide high-speed rail and will generate the political pressure to connect the northern 2/3rds of the system, at which point LA is going to be unbelievably jealous and push for the whole thing to be completed. Without the Central Valley alignment, and without constructing it first, high speed rail would not get built in California. The only other options were complete cancellation on I5 or moderately better commuter rail in SF or LA (but not both).
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>>1810740
The whole project was dreamed up in the bay area. Nobody wants to go from LA to SF.
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It's crazy expensive, for a problem that doesn't exist. Want to travel from LA to SF, just fucking fly. Costs $100 and takes a couple of hours.
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>>1823462
i go from sf to LA all the time, but i need my car when i am down there.

actually nvm. i used to go visit a girl down there and not need my car. 8 hours on megabus. just throw my bike in the stow away, no extra fees, it was nice. 8 hour busride for $50

for most hours of the day, its faster to get aorund LA by bicycle than by car.
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>>1823493
>Want to travel from LA to SF, just fucking fly. Costs $100 and takes a couple of hours.
pita with a bicycle
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>>1812186
>My solution to the problem is to make it a bigger pain in the ass to use the easier solutions we already have.
You’re going to make a fine politician some day, anon.
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>>1810740
CA has infinite money so it doesn't matter
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>>1823493
unfortunately it doesn't take a couple hours, you have to deal with a ton of bullshit getting to SFO and boarding as opposed to hopping on a train downtown 10 minutes before scheduled departure.
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>>1824095
>hopping on a train downtown 10 minutes before scheduled departure.
is cahsr gonna have rediculous security measures?
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>>1824100
Hopefully not, even Scamtrak has avoided the TSA so far. If the TSA comes for CAHSR it will offer absolutely no benefits beyond the views.
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>>1810740
Unless there is oversight it will be a bottomless pit and scams which does happen with huge funding projects like this and it seems like they did hire someone this time to look over it. Regardless >>1823590 is correct.
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Oh gosh I have to go through security at an airport better piss away $100 billion so my feelings don't get hurt
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>>1824191
cope seethe and dilate! we will NOT expand your freeway!
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>>1823493
You are just moving one congested problem to another area with a rapidly growing population. The answer was always having many forms than putting a band aid on a huge wound.
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>>1812392
The logistic manager is the only non-meme manager
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>>1810740
AHhahahahahahaha no. It will just be yet another taxpayer burden, just like every other public transport project.
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>>1823493

Norcal airports suck compared to LAX and this situation cannot improve as SFO can't expand, OAK is in Oakland, and Mineta Airport cucks downtown San Jose. I suppose a new airport could be made at Moffett, but it's better off as a research center.
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>>1827843
yeah unlike the military, freeways, militarized police, aid to israel, those are great uses of taxpayer money
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>>1828111
Why not dredge out an artificial island and build an airport at sea?
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>>1828166
>Why not dredge out an artificial island and build an airport at sea?
thats what oakland and sf airport already are ... inside the bay.

they used to fill in a lot of the bay until they decided it was no longer a good idea.
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>>1824116
if cahsr doesnt have high security mesures in place then i will not feel safe riding it. i could be killed by a terrorist

t. tax paying voter
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>>1828179
oh my god im foooooooooooooooooooling
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>>1828181
Yeah but you receive medicaid.
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>>1811679
I've been saying this for years. The USA and really all western countries should have Dubai-style contracts for poor third worldies to come over in droves (in camps away from the locals of course) and work for just above their local wages on 5 year visas. Would help a lot but only if the bureaucracy was intelligent enough to utilize them properly
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>>1828410
It was revealed that North Korean citizens act as literal penny labour around the world namely in Russia and Germany. What's fucked up is that the need handlers who watch over them and hide any outside content and is usually a western native with zero morals. In my life I've never met anyone who would look at a North Korean and not immediately help them escape, just the thought that someone in the west not only uses their labour but also plays the role of slave owner is just insane to me.
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>>1828179
>replaces all the dogshit smelling south bay marshes
>more housing supply
should have done it
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>>1828111
>I suppose a new airport could be made at Moffett, but it's better off as a research center.
>he doesn't know
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>>1824095
>NOOOO THINK OF HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GET TO THE AIRPORT
>just hop on le hecking epic trainerino in 5 seconds, what do you mean most people don't live in SOMA?
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>>1828111
You could probably expand Livermore Municipal Airport a bit to take some of the weight off the other three.
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They could pay the TSA agents to give each passenger a blowjob and a piggyback ride to the gate.
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>>1812722
adams and other nycfags only have this mentality because nyc's transit btfos all other NA transit systems. if that dumb nigger ever stepped foot in asia or europe he'd revert to talking about muh dick size
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>>1828436
might as well just put it in tracy
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>>1828418
The US should just take in like 10 million indians, pay them 2 dollars an hour to build shit like the CAHSR, the central texas bullet train, or hell even a nationally run and connected HSR system. It's a win for the indians too since otherwise they'd be dung farmers making $0 an hour. It's basically what every arab desert shithole does and we'd be nicer to them so you wouldn't have to feel bad about north korean slaves. only problem is the logistics with housing; you'd have to build a bunch of commieblocks in the middle of buttfuck california and other areas before they arrive. or just buy a bunch of tents
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Labor isn't the reason the cost of the project has ballooned from a few billion when proposed to over $100 billion now

I don't see how importing labor is a win for anyone in the US except shareholders and executives
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>>1828513
yeah you would need competent leadership too. too bad america will never have that, not federally or at any state level
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>>1828513
$100 billion isn't even close.

It will cost well over $250 billion, closer to $500 billion by the time it's complete.
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>>1828527
Source: your ass

Fuck off cunt.
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>>1828436
No, you absolutely cannot. You can expand OAK pretty easily and SJC somewhat. SFO can only handle expanding by a few more gates. Stockton has an airport with a ton of room for service expansion. But expanding short haul domestic service at any of these airports is fucking pointless.
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>>1828509
Labor-costs aren't remotely the major factor limiting the pace/scope of construction. And given that guys getting paid "2 dollars an hour" have very low productivity, there wouldn't be any real savings that way either. Just notice how most developing countries, 'despite' low labor costs, aren't spamming public works.
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>>1810740
To get the fuck out of California? Yeah, definitely.
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>>1828611
t."the bay bridge will only cost $250m guys"
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>>1828852
>Just notice how most developing countries, 'despite' low labor costs, aren't spamming public works.
Except like, every east asian country that has even a sliver of a manufacturing industry.
Labor costs are relative too, btw
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>>1829010
>Except like, every east asian country that has even a sliver of a manufacturing industry.
Only the Asian Tigers, Japan, and China, all of whom have/had an investment-driven growth strategy.
Even Vietnam, darling of FDI, goes at a slow pace and needs foreign involvement to get major projects done. Hanoi and HCMC metros, for example, rely heavily on ODA and direct international involvement in planning and construction.
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>>1828852 read >>1828516
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>>1828516
No retard you'd need to go back to the 40s and 50s when private land ownership had less say thanks to development projects.
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>>1829225
maybe CAHSR can finally happen once the boomer nimbyniggers die
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>>1829226
No believe it or not people enjoy having property rights (urbanites aren't really people)
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Yes. The project has faced alot of problems but now its been back on track, and when completed it's going to be very remoralizing to train nerds, and when it starts up and is a success even though faggots like to say it's gonna bring people to nowhere it really isn't, Switzerland and other places in Europe, put these trains in much smaller less populated areas and still have success.
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>>1829235
Faggot, they ruin these projects even when they aren't even on their property, suck dicks dumbass
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>>1828432
Airport travel sucks faggot.. TSA nigga shit, long lift off, majority shit service, no leg room, not as scenic for a good majority of the ride, costs more typically.
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>>1810740
yes, i don't want to drive 4-6 hours to get to la and no matter how bloated costs get i'll take the train anyday over a potentially fatal drive
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>>1828410
>The USA and really all western countries should have Dubai-style contracts for poor third worldies to come over in droves (in camps away from the locals of course) and work for just above their local wages on 5 year visas.
This. They already have that in agriculture so why the fuck not in construction?
>but muh ethics
Those are jobs, and by the standards of their countries, those are great paying jobs. Everyone wins.
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>>1828418
>In my life I've never met anyone who would look at a North Korean and not immediately help them escape, just the thought that someone in the west not only uses their labour but also plays the role of slave owner is just insane to me.
Why? There are plenty of north koreans in Russia in the Far East. They are not slaves, they actually open businesses here on the side - DPRK government doesn't care as long as they pay their percentage. Noticeable diaspora and DPRK state and family connections help with that a lot. Dollar is pretty much legal in DPRK and they have legal private business there in the form of government sub-contracts, and the flow of cash from abroad helps with them a lot. So noone is helping them escape because they are not escaping anything, they come for opportunity.
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it's worth it to those in power to grow their budgets and establish consensus over the direction of public sector growth
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>>1834876
every dollar spent on military black projects is a dollar not spent on welfare for niggers
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>>1811021
Unfortunately, the Central Valley is too fucking flat, so its unironically cheaper to build a viaduct instead of trucking in enough dirt from 100 mi away to build an embankment.
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>>1811918
To wit, the Orlando-Cocoa section is new track.
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we need more niggers and spics in every square inch of california, bring it on
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>>1811021
I think those are only for rail/freeway overpasses. It doesn't make the final route any less autistic though.
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>>1828418
It was also revealed that North Koreans bribe officials to get sent to work colonies abroad because even one posting abroad will give them enough hard currency to establish some black market business for their family back home, especially if they can work on their own in addition to their assigned work (obviously by bribing their supervisors).



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